The Greatest Fight in Yakuza 2?

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  • @Comkill117
    @Comkill117 Год назад +132

    Yakuza 1 Hayashi: just some guy you fights with a group of goons
    Yakuza 2 Hayashi: breaks into the Millennium Tower basement to drop one of the best boss themes and hardest fights (at least up to that point) in the game.

    • @OpoumConsumer
      @OpoumConsumer 11 месяцев назад +26

      Nah, he also said the iconic "kill this arrogant mo-ther-fu-cker" line

  • @aiis6821
    @aiis6821 2 года назад +157

    Also i find it funny Hayashi has more health bars than the final boss itself

  • @imjustlikedenji5954
    @imjustlikedenji5954 2 года назад +144

    The final move in Hayashi's fight is SO much better in the original, it's not even comparable

    • @imjustlikedenji5954
      @imjustlikedenji5954 2 года назад +56

      The entire fight is can't believe they replaced his original theme with a regular boss theme

    • @ashleyy69
      @ashleyy69 2 года назад +23

      @@imjustlikedenji5954 Truly sinful

    • @TitanChromeE
      @TitanChromeE 4 месяца назад

      You can actually feel the punches when it goes slow-mo with that final move

  • @MikeJr9284
    @MikeJr9284 2 года назад +121

    Hayashi: the ultimate Chad minor villain of the Yakuza series.

    • @scumton
      @scumton 2 года назад +36

      and he's awesome in dead souls as well, man's got a code of honour

    • @johnlocsin1628
      @johnlocsin1628 2 года назад +29

      Yakuza Dead Souls was also the game that gave closure to his character, too bad the game was not canon.

    • @thatrandomcrit5823
      @thatrandomcrit5823 2 года назад +10

      @@johnlocsin1628 It is in our hearts...

    • @antonino7100
      @antonino7100 2 года назад

      @@scumton woah woah woah…he’s in dead souls?

    • @scumton
      @scumton 2 года назад

      @@antonino7100 yep

  • @Eriselina
    @Eriselina 2 года назад +243

    I think the best way to look at Y2 and Y2K is to have the mindset that they're just different games combat-wise. OG Y2 looks and feels more brutal vs the Kiwami version.

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  2 года назад +78

      They’re basically different games aside from story, I think both are worth experiencing

    • @antonino7100
      @antonino7100 2 года назад +51

      @@DillionT yes, I agree, I played this just before I played Kiwami 2, and I definitely prefer the OG2, although, I’ll have to admit, Kiwami 2 adds a lot more convenience, mostly for Substories being marked on map and such, and literally needing a guide for OG2 (which tbh taught me to use a guide for all of them, because I’ll miss something or fuck it up otherwise) but yeah, OG2, one of my faves and everyone should play it

    • @Pachiku93
      @Pachiku93 2 года назад +37

      You get a similar feelings when going from Kiwami 2 to 3. Blood is more visible, Kiryu stomps on faces left and rigth, there's more crunching noises, random enemies end up bloodied and beaten up to a pulp etc.

    • @antonino7100
      @antonino7100 2 года назад +21

      @@Pachiku93 yeah, definitely, I just love the OG engine

    • @magnitudefallout3944
      @magnitudefallout3944 2 года назад +25

      Dragon engine really feels like an idea forced by the managers who were deadsure people want realism, overanimated moves and RAGDOLLS.

  • @nugget7thtojoclanchairman525
    @nugget7thtojoclanchairman525 2 года назад +141

    The virgin Kiwami 2, beating up Hayashi against the air finisher VS The Chad OG 2, beating up Hayashi by bashing his head against the fence with each punch finisher. Man this boss is just pure fun in Yakuza 2, fantastic fight as always!

    • @mettatonneoex
      @mettatonneoex Год назад

      Vs the Saviour who modded the best of the OG in Kiwami 2 plus T h e "Legend Remix Mod"

  • @thevengefulone57
    @thevengefulone57 2 года назад +20

    The Virgin standard overworld boss theme Hayashi vs The Chad unique Nu-Metal theme Hayashi.

  • @Supermariosupervideo
    @Supermariosupervideo 2 года назад +15

    cannot believe they recast Hayashi in Ishin Kiwami. he’s so fucking raw dude who the hell wants Mabuchi

    • @Ticketman99
      @Ticketman99 Год назад +3

      Awano is the one who replaced him.
      Mabuchi replaced Yahata from 5.

  • @killblom3969
    @killblom3969 2 года назад +103

    The only problem with OG 2 is the difficulty inconsistency.Some fights can go from too easy to wayy too hard,especially the substory fights.

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  2 года назад +59

      Granny White

    • @youn00ber
      @youn00ber 2 года назад +17

      @@DillionT granny white substory no damage no weapons when

    • @killerbug05
      @killerbug05 2 года назад +5

      @@youn00ber it's impossible, cannot be done.

    • @youn00ber
      @youn00ber 2 года назад +4

      @@killerbug05 and that is why it must be done 🙏

    • @killerbug05
      @killerbug05 2 года назад +9

      @@youn00ber of course, how foolish of me to believe that just because something's impossible it can't be done. with enough spirit (and banger background music) even the impossible is possible.

  • @pocketcircuitfighter6291
    @pocketcircuitfighter6291 2 года назад +39

    Hayashi the most underrated villain in the yakuza series, bring him back rgg

    • @snxffys6436
      @snxffys6436 5 месяцев назад

      seeing how he literally went from an omi officer to a go-ryu lieutenant probably? why not have him be a goon you beat up every game

  • @fattahyahya2106
    @fattahyahya2106 2 года назад +21

    I'm currently playing OG2 and I just finished fighting Hayashi and I agree with everything you said. To add on, Hayashi's OG moveset fits him way better than the Kiwamis reuse of Baba's moveset. He is a stubborn man who doesn't go down easily, so his hyperarmor and brutal, unrefined moveset is great. Also for the Hercules Gloves, you don't need to buy it from the dragon vendor as in the same building there's a coin locker for it. The Southpaw Bracelet can also be found as early as chapter 5. It's in Marietta, you can find a coin locker after you have finished renovating it for the first time.

  • @KhoiJudgment
    @KhoiJudgment 2 года назад +22

    I really wish RGG would imported 2 OG Yakuza to modern platform with English sub one day.

  • @electrosphere5581
    @electrosphere5581 2 года назад +9

    Man the sound design of the PS2 Yakuza games are unpararelled. To this day no modern Yakuza game has a more satisfying sound direction than Yakuza 1, 2 and 3.

  • @gamerdude4720
    @gamerdude4720 2 года назад +9

    The OG’s getting glossed over might be fixed if they localised the hd remix collection

  • @Gavengelica
    @Gavengelica 2 года назад +17

    OG 2 is a beast itself. Goated observations by DillionT.

  • @aiis6821
    @aiis6821 2 года назад +16

    This fight in Kiwami 2 is the entire reason i started hating that generic boss theme they replaced it
    Also look at Sayama squaring up like that lmao

  • @brassTAX1776
    @brassTAX1776 День назад +1

    I like the captions a lot, made the video way more fun to watch

  • @dalelumina3
    @dalelumina3 2 года назад +7

    fax spitter hayashi is the best minor villain in yakuza franchise, why have they not brought him back yet

  • @taggerman6867
    @taggerman6867 2 года назад +4

    They really did Hayashi dirty in Kiwami 2.

  • @kamikaze4172
    @kamikaze4172 2 года назад +35

    It pains me how much they took out of the first two games compared to the Kiwami titles. I didn't play the original ones, cause I was both too young and never heard of the series till I was in High School, but from clips like this, there's so much more to them, the soundtracks seem more diverse, and has more beefier heat actions and attacks instead of rehashing them

    • @speedking7224
      @speedking7224 Год назад +6

      K1 seems better to me from original since it employs 0's combat system and the story is also more fleshed out. K2 is not better than the original yakuza 2

  • @masonmcnuggies4009
    @masonmcnuggies4009 Месяц назад +1

    So glad there’s a music restoration mod for K2 cause I can’t wait to get back to Hiyashi on my Legend ng+ play through!

  • @MrTheil
    @MrTheil 2 года назад +7

    Hayashi is honestly a cool character. Wish he was used more in the other games

  • @NuggetPlzAlt
    @NuggetPlzAlt 2 года назад +7

    Thanks to this video I will probably try to play Y2, I only played Kiwami 2 because it was avaliable for me at the time and I gotta say, Y2 looks and feels WAY more extreme than Kiwami 2

  • @berlus3719
    @berlus3719 2 года назад +16

    He's in my top 5 favorite bosses in the series for sure, the whole fight is so badass, these sound effects and the qtes are so crunchy and satisfying, he has a ton of health and has dangerous moves so he feels like a worthy opponent to Kiryu.
    Anyway these ps2 videos are great, i'm glad there's someone showing new people that Yakuza was always good.

  • @xRevolverServbot
    @xRevolverServbot 2 года назад +5

    Insanely GOATED video. Hayashi was doing damage to me on my first playthrough. Because of its pacing, I find myself more of a fan of Yakuza 1 than 2, but I knew from the first fight you have in the graveyard -- where it teaches you that turning around mid combo is now a baseline mechanic -- that there was gold to be found.

  • @guffingtonreal
    @guffingtonreal Год назад +2

    Hayashi shows up, drops the best song in the whole franchise, exists basically only as a punching bag, then just disappears to the spin-off realm but even in Ishin Kiwami he gets recast in so I doubt we'll ever see him again unless he's in Gaiden (if he is they need to remix Evil Itself).

  • @Quantum722
    @Quantum722 2 года назад +3

    2:27 Aw yeah Hayashi's pipes sync

  • @Serious_Face
    @Serious_Face 2 года назад +3

    This fight was the moment I truly fell in love with this series.

  • @Jack75188
    @Jack75188 2 года назад +5

    I just finish this fight the other day, and boy, Higashi with those 2 pipes are the bane of my existence. It's not hard, it just piss me off that i can't move out of the way soon enough to avoid that swing move he did.

  • @unoriginalperson72
    @unoriginalperson72 Год назад +2

    This guy was so good they put him in every yakuza game ever

  • @killertails1244
    @killertails1244 2 года назад +6

    The thing I like about this combat this shit looks like the man is actually getting his ass beat and its a one sided fight like most of the cutscenes after a fight imply. The new one feels idk like im a regular ass dude when punching into a 200 pound dude from a different weight class.
    In short why didnt I buy Yakuza 1 & 2 OG :(
    Edit: I dont dislike the gameplay of Y2K but something about thoses combos and how everything just floats into each other looks amazing.

  • @Azure_tptd
    @Azure_tptd 8 месяцев назад +1

    The way Kiryu keeps going at the end even after Hayashi's health bar depletes 😭 like nah bro I ain't done with you yet 😂😂

  • @k86600
    @k86600 2 года назад +2

    evil itself my beloved

  • @Kwazimodo90
    @Kwazimodo90 2 года назад +7

    I was really disappointed by this fight in y2k cause this was also one of my favorite fights in y2. This one will always be special to me :)

  • @dr.chipsahoy5847
    @dr.chipsahoy5847 2 года назад +3

    Thanks to you, I have more respect for the OG games more. Of course I'll still love the Kiwami games dearly, but definitely this makes me wanna try the older games at some point.

  • @scumton
    @scumton 2 года назад +7

    hayashi have the most health in 2 as well

  • @okmate
    @okmate 2 года назад +24

    OG 2's soundtrack is probably one of the best in the series with bangers like Evil Itself, North Menace, Hit & Kill and West Insanity, while K2's OST feels... generic. Of course K2 has some bangers aswell, like it's version of Outlaw's Lullaby, Break Off and One Last Push, but it ultimately falls short compared to the OG soundtrack. Also, there is just something about that PS2 sound design thats very crisp to me.

    • @chainsawplayin
      @chainsawplayin 2 года назад +9

      The good old days of Kiryu's punches being louder than a shotgun

    • @morkgin2459
      @morkgin2459 2 года назад +3

      But it has the better long battle themes though

  • @lex_4242
    @lex_4242 2 года назад +4

    Old Sega bangs ong frfr

  • @Colonel100
    @Colonel100 11 месяцев назад +2

    Another cool part about the ps2 fight is that, if you do a specific heat action or if you damage him enough, you can disarm him. Which is cool, i kind of wish you could do that with other other weapon wielding bosses.

  • @Kingnocitsyakuza
    @Kingnocitsyakuza 2 года назад +4

    yakuza gameplay let’s gooo

  • @OwysGaming
    @OwysGaming 2 года назад +4

    Im actually very uncomfortable with kiwami 2 combat
    I used style switching mods :)

  • @canteloupe3254
    @canteloupe3254 2 года назад +2

    I think they changed the Pipe Scene in K2 to focus on the VA. It'd be cool to see the OG scene with the added Voice Lines though

  • @killerbug05
    @killerbug05 2 года назад +4

    Woah this actually looks enjoyable, meanwhile k2 hayashi felt like an average Yakuza 3 fight 💀 he just blocked literally anything that wasn't square triangle triangle or square square square

    • @morkgin2459
      @morkgin2459 2 года назад +1

      The first phase is like that in og though

    • @goosebumps7663
      @goosebumps7663 Год назад +1

      another baby complaining about yakuza 3 combat cause he cant spam square square square triangle triangle on his block all day and has to use his brain to win

    • @killerbug05
      @killerbug05 Год назад +3

      @@goosebumps7663 I'll just ignore the unnecessary pointless insults and say: I've actually come full circle in the past year it might sound crazy but Yakuza 3 is actually peak bar none.

    • @goosebumps7663
      @goosebumps7663 Год назад +1

      @@killerbug05 lets fucking go

  • @akujiyamamoto1377
    @akujiyamamoto1377 2 года назад +2

    the combat of yakuza 2 is amazing

  • @stonetree_
    @stonetree_ 2 года назад +5

    godtier commentary

  • @GunGun-cf3ss
    @GunGun-cf3ss 2 года назад +13

    I‘m lowkey still salty shinseicho isn‘t in Kiwami 2. Minor thing sure, but I quite liked the area.

    • @chainsawplayin
      @chainsawplayin 2 года назад +4

      I bet they would have re-used Shinseicho in LAD if it were in K2

  • @mrkrabssoldmysoulfor6294
    @mrkrabssoldmysoulfor6294 2 месяца назад +1

    3:38 That walk animation always make me laugh. Hayashi look like a crab.

  • @Vishwamdamor7109
    @Vishwamdamor7109 2 года назад +5

    It's actually the greatest fight in Yakuza 2. All things are amazing in this fight. Too bad RGG didn't bring Hayashi after this. (I know about Dead Souls, but he didn't got a happy ending.)

  • @lapisFarm
    @lapisFarm 2 года назад +3

    Damn, no wonder I kinda hated playing Kiryu in Kiwami 1 and 2. His shit is extra badass in the OG games, but feels watered down and stiff in Kiwami 2 and weak in Kiwami 1. I felt some bullshit but now I know why, OG rocks.

  • @Atminsuki
    @Atminsuki Год назад +2

    0:14 Same bro i love yakuza series

  • @Crowens
    @Crowens 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hayashi is fucking peak man, love the fight

  • @ashleyy69
    @ashleyy69 2 года назад +3

    so true bestie

  • @laminatesnow4651
    @laminatesnow4651 2 года назад +1

    OG Yakuza 2 is the GTA IV of Yakuza games.

  • @lucree.904
    @lucree.904 2 года назад +2

    ps2 sound effects very clean

  • @Kingnocitsyakuza
    @Kingnocitsyakuza 2 года назад +2

    Keep up the great work on yakuza

  • @rickythemaddragonxiong8757
    @rickythemaddragonxiong8757 2 года назад +1

    Admittedly I haven't played the PS2 games but they don't look bad just by watching. I wished Kiwami 2 Hayashi fight didn't have the red or orange filter or color grading.

  • @OnlinePickle
    @OnlinePickle 2 года назад +2

    Y2 combat looks goated ASF, reminds me of Yakuza 5 kiryu.

  • @dominykasjonasblynas9312
    @dominykasjonasblynas9312 2 года назад +2

    Clean af

  • @BurstIsMildlyOk
    @BurstIsMildlyOk 2 года назад +2

    To this day I wished the ps3 port was translated or a pc release with an option to use the JP audio or dub with Y1

  • @shlokwaghela9560
    @shlokwaghela9560 11 месяцев назад +1

    I was having so much trouble with this boss until I just decided to go insano mode and just aggro over him lol, the heat I had practically stunlocked him more than half the fight

  • @jimshllim8694
    @jimshllim8694 2 года назад +2

    So true ,love for hayashi!

  • @UkyoTatsuya
    @UkyoTatsuya 2 года назад +8

    Hayashi better fight than Ryuji???

  • @mediawatcher9225
    @mediawatcher9225 2 года назад +4

    I found it really bizarre how much health he has in comparison to every other boss in the game, he’s an easy boss but where did that come from?

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  2 года назад +6

      Cause Hayashi is based

  • @pedromello7835
    @pedromello7835 Год назад +1

    This guy and Ryuji gave me so much trouble when I played this version.. I wasted all my heat on previous fights and had no tauriners to use so I wasn't able to quickstep cancel my way to victory

  • @RAIN_2001
    @RAIN_2001 2 года назад +1

    And you know i watched couple of you vids and i really start to think about trying the OG 1 and 2

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  2 года назад

      I think you should

    • @RAIN_2001
      @RAIN_2001 2 года назад +1

      @@DillionT any suggestions ?

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  2 года назад +1

      @@RAIN_2001 emulation either through RPCS3 or PCSX2 or buy the physical copies, if you have a PS2/3

    • @RAIN_2001
      @RAIN_2001 2 года назад

      @@DillionT well that’s fucked because my pc can’t handle any of this emulators

  • @yumaoverstar
    @yumaoverstar 2 года назад +1

    Now I wanna replay Og2

  • @Sushiwithoutttgehi
    @Sushiwithoutttgehi Год назад +1

    I'm not forgiving yakuza Kiwami 2 for this

  • @MONO4608
    @MONO4608 2 года назад +1

    Kaoru was Kiryu’s besto waifu

  • @TitanChromeE
    @TitanChromeE 4 месяца назад +1

    Based subtitles

  • @akujiyamamoto1377
    @akujiyamamoto1377 2 года назад +1

    another thing i'd like to add here is that sega should have ported and localized this game for pc too instead of doing the kiwami remakes

  • @Memroh
    @Memroh 2 года назад +1

    Am I the only one who preferred daigos theme to the OG ost lol

  • @aliabdolahi7726
    @aliabdolahi7726 2 года назад +3

    fax commentary

  • @depressedcheems9961
    @depressedcheems9961 Год назад +1

    I wish they'd port the original 1 and 2 to newer systems. I'd pay any price.

  • @sanctityninja9345
    @sanctityninja9345 2 года назад +1

    Y2K is never a name I thought would came from yakuza XD

  • @adamharits2630
    @adamharits2630 2 года назад +2

    Kiryuuuu

  • @soulbuddy1648
    @soulbuddy1648 11 месяцев назад +1

    Kiwami 2 needed more bruce lee side kicks like in the original

  • @yellowvespagts300
    @yellowvespagts300 2 года назад +2

    I am so lazy to set up PS2 emulator, bruh. So many great games

  • @morkgin2459
    @morkgin2459 2 года назад +10

    I like the kiwami remakes more but I will admit that this fight is better in 2. I am not a fan of the yellow ish environment and using a generic boss theme is not based.

    • @morkgin2459
      @morkgin2459 2 года назад +2

      Also that phase when he grabs the pipe is much worse in Kiwami 2

  • @theunbeatable6598
    @theunbeatable6598 2 года назад +3

    Kaoru looked hotter in K2 though.

  • @ranggarionaldi
    @ranggarionaldi 2 года назад +1

    I'm totally agree with you

  • @youn00ber
    @youn00ber 2 года назад +3

    Damn, I've been watching videos made by a teenager? That's awful.
    But that awfulness is compensated by extremely based opinions about the OG games. You are given the rank of based and not cringe teenager.

  • @danielir3788
    @danielir3788 4 месяца назад +2

    zawg he can 1 shot you if you fail the qte in og 2

  • @RoyalBlur97
    @RoyalBlur97 2 года назад +2

    3:05

  • @bernardodranreb
    @bernardodranreb Год назад +2

    I just finished Kiwami 2 on Hard before Plus removal and Im so disappointed by last fight. All that lead to that fight is disappointed tbh. First they say an invasion is on course but actually 3 friends are being attacked by just some guys and thats it... some NPC thanked me for stopping the invasion... but the real one with closed streets happened after - I dont know if it were some kind of error. Then good fights in Purgatory, the elevator vs MIB (tougher than Ryujis) and - after all the promises made for the Ryuji fight, we got meh...and another meh... The most difficult was against the guy on diaper and his customersI and also in Coliseum vs wrestlers (and they even have more health bars). Who knows maybe a PS5 update for Kiwami 2 with Shinseicho, cabaret clubs and SSR included in Majima minigame.

  • @LanceRoszak23
    @LanceRoszak23 2 года назад +1

    are they also good items in Ryu ga gotoku the og I'm starting new there before here but I can't understand JP text lol

  • @RAIN_2001
    @RAIN_2001 2 года назад +1

    Great no damage

  • @-Meatlorf
    @-Meatlorf 10 месяцев назад +1

    What version of the game is this if it isn't PS2? I've been dying to play the OG games after how much I hated the remakes. If it's an emulator could you let me know where to get it?

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  10 месяцев назад

      It’s the PS3 remastered version that’s Japan only, personally got it physically but u can prolly emulate it on rpcs3

  • @Juno4Uno
    @Juno4Uno 2 года назад +4

    Faxuza 2

  • @Calibree
    @Calibree 2 года назад +3

    im wondering why yakuza 3 combat was a downgrade compared to yakuza 1 and 2

  • @pl_on
    @pl_on 2 года назад +1

    based

  • @Roadrin
    @Roadrin Год назад +1

    Are OG 1 and 2 playable if you don't know Japanese?

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  Год назад +1

      You can just emulate the PS2 versions they’re in English

    • @Roadrin
      @Roadrin Год назад +1

      @@DillionT Ah okay thanks.

  • @xg171
    @xg171 2 года назад +1

    Did you play this on emulator or PS3?

  • @mikenash6124
    @mikenash6124 2 года назад +1

    4:10 how can I get this move, can you tell me, please?

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  2 года назад

      Learn from Granny White in Shinseicho

    • @mikenash6124
      @mikenash6124 2 года назад +1

      @@DillionT I know that she is in Shinseicho? Should I give her something?

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  2 года назад

      First you give her an trendy umbrella, then give her cookies, followed by having Haruka with you then talking too her, p sure some other abilities like Lotus Flare requires Max Level in Tech, Heat, and Body

    • @mikenash6124
      @mikenash6124 2 года назад +1

      @@DillionT got it, thanks. I'll see what i can do. Keep up with your videos. They're entertaining.

    • @DillionT
      @DillionT  2 года назад

      Thanks my guy

  • @yourlocalfemboy8198
    @yourlocalfemboy8198 2 года назад +1

    It’s not that cool of a boss fight anyway the music is pretty sick tho

  • @GOLFWANG_WANGAA
    @GOLFWANG_WANGAA 27 дней назад +1

    KIWAMI 2 RUINED THIS BOSS IMO

  • @genericineverything7619
    @genericineverything7619 2 года назад +1

    Who tf made the captions?

  • @xiao4408
    @xiao4408 2 года назад +1

    I still prefer the k2 version :D

  • @saadabdullah3225
    @saadabdullah3225 2 года назад +4

    I don't care if the Kiwami bros come after me for saying this, but the Kiwamis shouldn't exist. Even if the old games are hard to come across/hard to play for new fans who started with 0(yet another abomination in its own right), the original games were very good and didn't need to be remade.

    • @rando843
      @rando843 2 года назад +9

      I respect liking the OGs more but this is just the most awful take ever

    • @jaypostromboli-jpgamertv-457
      @jaypostromboli-jpgamertv-457 2 года назад +3

      Imma quote Kuze here:
      “Are you high, kid?”

    • @youn00ber
      @youn00ber 2 года назад +8

      The developers were rewarded for their laziness. The games are good but they made dumb as fuck lazy and cheap decisions with the 'remakes' (asset flips). But at the same time I wouldn't want them gone from this planet

    • @xRevolverServbot
      @xRevolverServbot 2 года назад +6

      Honestly, I'd forgive the Kiwami's existence more if SEGA of America hadn't dropped the ball and released an English version of 1&2HD when they were still relevant. They had to be begged to just release Yakuza 5 at that timeframe, and in a position where you're not confident in the reception of a series I think it wouldve been a better move to reintroduce the games that started it all than a game that was knee deep in its establishment.