YOU Season 4 Part 2 Breakdown | Joe's Mind Explained
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- YOU season 4 part 2 was full of twists and reveals, some we predicted and some we didn't see coming - here is my video breakdown and review of part 2
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00:00 Intro
00:17 Breakdown
08:48 Joe's Mind Explained
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Is nobody else annoyed that we never find out what he said to Phoebe? Like it was the show that made a big deal out of it and then there was no reveal there 😭
honestly he probably just rattled off some literary quote that spoke to her in the moment. they were all drunk and on drugs so it probably wasn't anything particularly insightful.
They hinted that he told her something profound, but she’s coddled by those around her so that’s why they reacted the way they did
It's just a running gag of the season and I think it's funnier this way. Joe has a talent to say the right things to make people like him even if he is completely out of it. He is a great manipulator
He told her she will be in the next season of you.
Penn said she's going to be a guest on his podcast and that we'll find out soon
The last five episodes was great but I agree they really shouldn't have split the season in two don't know why they would do that, Joe has never been scarier than when he blackmailed Nadia it's like Joe has no conscience anymore, he gone completely evil now cold-hearted there's nothing good in him holding him back anymore, Joe was dangerous when he had a conscience and empathy but now that he's not tied down by his guilt and conscience and now that he has money and resources who can stop him
I'm so disappointed that they ruined the reveal for us by splitting the season in two parts! but maybe they'll make it up to us with an unbelievable season 5. I expect it will be intense given Joe reaching peak evil and returning to his home turf
@@cinekizzle yeah I have a feeling season 5 is gonna be the most intense season by far
Penn even says that himself in his podcast. He said the seasons weren’t supposed to be split and you kind of have to go back and rewatch to really appreciate the pay off of part two
@@takalanajae oh yeah I did watch the podcast episode yeah Penn did say that it was supposed to be a full season so it is weird that Netflix decided to split it in two
My mom was smart to wait until all of the episodes came out before watching it
Exceptional breakdown of You season 4, just wanted to mention that the actor who plays Rhys is terrific, he sold the role so damn well over the whole course of season 4
Yessss he is! I love him now and I have to watch him in other things because I'm obsessed (uh oh. apparently I learned nothing from this season lol)
he has been crushing it for 10+ years
Joe frames Edward as the Eat the Rich Killer and killer of Rhys not Nadia. Nadia was framed as killing Edward only
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Many people had already guessed that Rhys was in Joe's mind. If Netfix hadn't split the season into two it would have been a much much bigger reveal. Anyway, I loved the season, probably the best.
Love your videos and analysis! 💞
thank you! and yes, I think it would have been a mind blowing reveal if netflix gave us the whole season all at once. The writers planted so many good clues that we wouldn't have caught on a first watch through, but because of the wait between parts, we kept rewatching and figured it out!
yeah the fact that they gave people the time to think and come up with theories made the season weaker.
The final scene with Nadia made me so upset. She deserved better.
I feel for Nadia, she was a great character. But I think it really solidified that Joe of prior seasons is gone. No more Mr. Nice Murderer.
Should have minded her own business
She was nosey that's what she get
She was dumb. She saved Marienne and should have left it at that. She lucky to be alive like Theo.
i’m constantly on reddit so i saw people spread the theory during the month between parts. part 2 was amazing, it had me in so much turmoil (in a good way) but it would’ve been SO much better if the season hadn’t been split. thanks a lot, $$ greedy Netflix
no but seriously. i loved it..maybe my favourite season. the way it was unraveled was amazing. episode 10 is definitely one of, if not the, best in the entire series.
I have so much appreciation for the writers because they did set up the Rhys reveal really well. If we didn't have a month to theorize, I think it would have been up there with the reveal of Love being a killer.
Kate just accepting that he's a killer makes no sense, are they trying go create a new Love? Feel like we have kinda been there before
I think she's a little desensitized to killing, since her father has done it and I think maybe she has too? I forget what she revealed to Joe about the kids with cancer or something like that. But anyway, She feels so terribly about herself, she's been thinking she's the worst of the worst all this time, so she's deluded herself into thinking Joe can't be anywhere near as bad as her and her dad. She could easily fool herself into thinking he had good reasons and look past it. But I don't think she'll actually be like Love going forward, I think she'll just turn a blind eye to Joe's activities. Until she can't. Can't wait to see how that unfolds.
It's what her father said, she ignores red flags as long as people make her happy, also, she was responsible for several children dying so what's one Rhys to her, it's the same old pattern, we'll start a family, we'll move to this place, we'll live in LA la land but in reality, he'll murder, she'll either murder with him or help cover up or she'll be murdered, tune in to find out if it's all 3 or one of them
but did he tell her he killed her father?
Season 4 is my favourite season! The setting in London, the twist with Rhys, the ending it was all soooo good imao
Yes, it was such a good season!
@@cinekizzle definitely. Penn especially was fantastic as Joe this season!
I read about all the theories that rhys was in Joe’s mind but I still liked the reveal. A lot of shows are so focused on not allowing viewers to guess twists but a good twist you can guess is soooo much better than a bad one you couldn’t.
Loved the mental breakdown sequence with love and beck. Joe really has come a long way. I personally loved S2 and 3 so the feature of love was a delight. Been loving your thoughts on the series aswell. Keep going!
I think that was such a cool dream sequence! It was great to see them both again
I absolutely loved this season and the twist. I wish it was more appreciated because it is quite thrilling to see someone new. Joe from season one is fun, but it's fun because we are in his mind and taking a deep dive into his mind. Joe is at 17 murders. Joe can only rationalize that many so much so to me, the split makes sense. He has changed. And the deep dive into his mind helped that transition so much.
I loved the twist too! I know some people say it's been done before with fight club, but I think it fit with this season and they expanded on it pretty well
I feel really dumb because everyone says the twist about Rhys was so obvious, but I'm sitting here like, "Holy shit! I wasn't expecting that at all!"
:(
aw, no it's okay! I didn't expect it the first time I watched Part 1. It wasn't until I rewatched it a couple times that I started noticing the clues.
Poor Rhys didn't even know why he got killed. RIP Real Rhys.
Our worst fears came true ....
Fine ass Rhys is just an hallucination .......
hahahahaha so true, so sad
@@cinekizzle SERA GAMBLE , THE SHOWRUNNER SAID THEY LOVED ED'S PEEFORMANCE THAT THEY ARE THINKING TO BRING HIM BACK ....
@@Iden_Elihio_1999 hmm I'd be really interested to see how they could pull that off. but in the meantime, I'm gonna look up what other shows he's in lol
@@cinekizzle Girl I am way ahead of you ....
Shows:
Outlander:
Star Trek : Picard
Downtown Abbey
Movies:
ZOO 2018
Howl 2015
Love Bite 2012
Eragon 2006
@@cinekizzle I'd imagine he'd come back as Dark Joe. Which would mean Joe only partially accepted that part of himself, if he still needs another ... "entity" to murder other people.
I really enjoyed part 2 of season 4! I know some people were not the biggest fans of Rhys being in Joe's imagination, but I really wanted it to happen and I was super happy when Rhys showed up next to the dead version of himself. The Marienne plot twist was also really great and I am glad she got her happy ending. I am also really glad Phoebe got a good ending! she was one of the most innocent and lovable characters in the entire show and I'm glad she got away from Adam's toxic ways. Overall, I really loved watching season 4 and I really hope there is a season 5! also, I love your videos and reviews, I started watching when you counted Joe's death count and I've watched every one since. keep up the entertaining content!
aw thanks so much! and yeah I was hesitant about the twist before I saw how it actually played out and then I was totally on board, I think it was really well done and his obsession with the real Rhys prior to imagining him was an interesting deviation from his past obsessions
The last three episodes were great, episode 8 was the best in the season. I loved how we got the perspective from Marianne regarding her emotional state while being trapped by Joe.
The Scene in episode 10 where Joe kills Eddie and frames Nadia was the best in the season from Joe. He was at his most confident, composed and so dark.
he was seriously so smug when he was explaining to her how he was framing her. absolutely heartless
@@cinekizzle Yes, it was like he was proud of her for giving him a way out and for not losing herself, while continuing to be the person/student he thought she was.
we really saw joe for what he really was. a cold murderer .
I wouldn’t call joe a cold murderer. He shows often throughout the show that he is tormented by his killings. But he doesn’t exactly suppress his darker side which is inexcusable
While I don’t enjoy streaming platforms splitting up shows (because who doesn’t love binging a new season) I feel they could have still spilt season 4 up if they would have not spilt it right down the middle. The first part could have been up until the reveal (spoiler***: Joe killing the Real Rhys), then the second part being everything afterwards. Those final few episodes are sooooo good and I don’t think any of us would have been able to guess what would happen next. I believe they did that with stranger things. The first part ended when Vecna shared his plans and history, then second part was everything after. Just my take :) Overall, I really enjoyed the season (esp the second half) I think I would have enjoyed it more if I wasn’t on RUclips or Reddit looking up theories 😅
That could have worked. Or they could have just released the season all at once as it was intended! (I'm so mad at netflix lol) There were so many moving parts in the last few episodes that I really didn't know where it would end up but it all came together so well
@@cinekizzle 😂for sure would’ve loved that
Notice how netflix purposefully split the series into Part 1 (Jonathan) and Part 2 (Joe)
Great video! Love your channel! Your analysis are great!
HER Kate her reaction when Joe tells her about his past. Shes so cold and like i dunno maybe shes a killer too?
I love your channel! It's great to see deep dives into my fave tv shows
Thanks, I'm glad you like them :)
the best season so far. i love to see deliala"s sister again . and what he told phoebe the first night.
It's funny, I've expected this twist in season 2. When Joe let Will go and then he was on drugs and saw his hands covered in blood I thought he killed Delilah and we are going to see flashback of Joe killing Will. It didn't happen there so this time when he let Marianne go I didn't buy it again.
I think some of us just really wanted to believe that he let her go, but we should have known better! lol
just finished S4 today and came across your channel, you are so well spoken and entertaining. gonna binge watch ur vids for the rest of the night now
Aww thank you!! That's so sweet to say
Wow you did such an amazing job explaining babes❤
Thank you so much! I worked really had on this video so I'm glad it made sense!
You know, Joe knows that Juliette is alive and well. So what if he pursues her using his newly acquired resources and then finds out that Marianne is alive.
I don’t think he has any motive to pursue Juliette. The old Joe would’ve protected her like he did with Ellie after Delilah died, but now he’s gone too far and doesn’t have that part of him left, as seen as he’s framing Nadia. Plus he has no real reason to protect Juliette as he was led to believe that Juliette’s grandmother has custody and therefore she’d be safe
he has no reason to seek that child out and if he did it'd be so unnecessary and dark i'd probably just stop watching altogether. as far as joe knows, juliette is with her grandma.
Been waiting for thissss 🔥
well then I hope you liked it!
Hell yeah been waiting on this one to drop
well I hope you liked it!
The slow start to this season had me sceptical but those last 5 episodes where incredible. The scene in which Joe swiftly kills Tom Lockwoods body guard really shows how efficient he has become as a serial killer, we simply cannot help but root for Joe no matter what he does. I really thought the suicide scene would mean the end of YOU but im so happy it wasnt to be. Nothing like watching a new episode without already knowing what to expect, the anticipation and joy it brings all of us cannot be beaten. I saw in an interview that Penn stated he was contracted to six seasons! with two more atleast on the way what do you most look foward to seeing? for me i hope the ending includes him being caught with a massive media frenzy on everything he has done spanning over possibly 10+ years, this is something i think was missing from the end of Dexter (if thats something youve also watched). Another year and a half wait at minimum for the next season but it cannot come soon enough. YOU season 5, we're ready.
yesss, not only should he have to pay for his crimes but the whole world should know all the bad stuff he did
I loved more than anything in season four than when Joe is dreaming and he has a conversation with the ghost of Love Quinn and when she goes and i quote "hi Joe" and he is so like scared and when he was like that oh oh it was just so um satisfying. And i can't wait for in season five of the show to see Joe and the ghost of Love Quinn have more conversations.
I loved this breakdown and I would love to see more videos from you about You!
Some of my thoughts for season 5...
Despite what Kate and her company are able to do to convince everyone that Love was to blame for all of Joe's crimes and issues, he had plenty of issues before he met her in season 1 and tons of people should be able to put 2 and 2 together that Joe is a bad guy. It just takes one curious journalist to dig around and see that several of Joe's exes and people around them have died. I wonder if they'll bring any of that into season 5?
I think season 5 is likely to be the last season and if not then definitely season 6. I don't have strong feelings on what season 5 will be about, but hopefully it ends with Joe going to some new, lowkey town swearing he's changed and learned so much. So far, we've only seen him in bustling, big areas surrounded by rich people. It's a bit stale. Although, maybe he could never do that now since he's got some fame.
Anyway, I'd love to hear some of your theories!
yeah, there was a whole 'free Dr. Nicky' subreddit, so maybe there's some internet detective that manages to piece together some of Joe's crimes!
The only part I didn’t like was that Kate just accepted Joe’s past. Like he must have lied to her right? Kate just doesn’t seem like the type of person who would be ok with what Joe has done
Yeah, she literally says how people aren’t worth getting close to until someone actually is. So her taking relationships and interactions so seriously and at arms length so she doesn’t get hurt but just bows down to a serial killer who murdered his wife is wild. Like she feels SO much guilt over the cancer kids but doesn’t want details on who and why he’s a serial killer? I mean, NO self esteem clearly if she’s willing to look past all of that.
I definitely don't think he told her everything, but I don't know how much he did tell her. And I'm not sure why she would accept him, she should be smart enough to know he will act behind her back and keep tabs on her just like her father did
@@cinekizzle It’s especially weird knowing how untrustworthy she is of literally everyone throughout the whole season. Granted, she was only ever suspicious of Joe being one of her father’s lackeys, but it still feels like she should’ve known better. We’ll just have to see where season 5 goes. Maybe she uncovers the whole truth behind him? It just seems like her character arc isn’t over
She was always evil. She had no remorse for the kids she killed. Her “good person” persona was just an f-u to her dad which was controlling of her and told her things like “I own you”. Joe eliminated her biggest enemy, and thus, there is no reason for her to not accept Joe for who he is… because she’s a cold blooded serial killer two, of kids no less.
This was the first season where we didn’t see his childhood We saw the first second and third Season with his childhood but this was the first one we didn’t I find that quite interesting
Oh I hadn't noticed that! I wonder if we are going to see his childhood in season 5 since he'll be back home. In season 4 he tried to forget his past and be somebody new, but now he accepted himself and went back home so maybe we'll get flashbacks to dark parts of his childhood now that he's embraced being a bad guy.
I think the serial killer angle was a bit much to justify in the second half. Joe has only ever killed for his own preservation or his perceived preservation of his loved ones, so it becomes very hard to justify Simon's death when we got a mere 2 scenes with the sympathetic link
I am still a little confused over the true motives for those first 3 murders. It's explained that Joe did them because Malcolm insulted Marienne, Simon took advantage of Blue, and Gemma was onto him - BUT I do wonder if they actually stemmed from an obsession with Kate that Joe was unaware of. Malcolm cheated on her, Simon threatened her career, and Kate expressed her hatred of Gemma.
@@cinekizzle That's a decent explanation. Still moves a bit too fast for my liking, but that fits a lot better
@@cinekizzle I do think it all has to do with Kate too.
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They really did a good job . Fight club already had this concept. Thats a risky thing to redo and be successful in pleasing audience.
I said this on some theories, the fact that they split the season into two parts a month apart gave too much time for us to nitpick every detail and theorise instead of just taking all 10 episodes at face value. By consuming the episodes so quickly, we don't get too much time to absorb everything and question the logistics of everything
yup, agreed! the show was made to be watched in its entirety, so netflix really messed it up for us by splitting it in half
YES OK i agree with you Megan about what Joe said to Phoebe. And yeah the show did make a big deal out of it didn't it.
Waiting for season 5
please please please do a video on Season 5 theories!
I'm working on it! Just got a lot of stuff going on right now, but it's coming :)
I just it would be interesting if, in season 5, we find out that love is alive and trying to win Joe back, now that we have a cold and calculated Joe
Thank you for video 🌻 Love for India❤️
thanks for watching! :)
I thought from episode 1 that Nadia was the killer. Also after the scene with when he goes up to Nadia in the last episode of season 4 when he kills Nadia's boyfriend and frames him and then Joe walks away i thought it would be really cool if Love came up to the camera and was watching Joe the entire time and the delusion dream of Love he has could have been him convincing himself that she was completely dead. And it might be just me but the fake Rhys that is a delusion is really funny i don't know it's just some of the things he said make me giggle. 😂 Oh and i agree with you about the scene when delusion Rhys said i love you to Joe i found that quite moving.
I feel so guilty because... I was suspicious of Nadia for a hot second. In my notes for part 1, I wrote "nadia's the killer" but I don't even remember why! She was actually so good and innocent.
@@cinekizzle Yeah i thought she was the killer because she was the least suspected character so yeah but of course it was Joe ha.
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Thanks so much! :)
I didn’t even realize there was 2 parts 🥲
I agree, I was kinda turned off by how Netflix split the show up into 2 parts. I still loved the show tho.
yeah it was still a good season but would have been better if we got all 10 episodes at one time!
I am one of the only people who prefered part 1's story line of Rhys being a real villain and Joe being framed for things he didn't do. Thats great karma on Joe. I thought Rhys could of been a great villain, and when Lockwood came in there was some kind of villain triangle going on there and had me intrigued as to how it would pan out. The fact it was all in Joe's mind disappointed me a bit even though i still liked the season.
In my opinion Joe somewhat calmed down with his murders since season 1, I think only a couple murders in season 3 , and his murders are usually down to jealousy + something related to his partner. Why would he bother killing the random rich people at the start before he even had a love interest?
that is a good question, he progressed from killing people related to his love interest or survival to killing people because he didn't like them? I don't think they made it clear why he's changed in that way
Joe's physical illusions of Rhys is actually from Erotomania. Which is when you suffer from physical hallucinations to the point that you think you are having a convosation with someone who's not there.
And interestingly, this is caused by stress and bereavement etc. Joe had gone into London which was a completely different place, had to change his identity, love had died due to him murdering her, who was his wife and he had to leave his son behind with another couple.
So I think this is a build up that's come from that but also with his other past killings as well
Yeah and I think it started because he was in Paris for so long by himself, he got lonely and had no friends so he started obsessing over Rhys. And then when he was by himself at Sundry House watching everybody else have fun with their friends, he finally imagined a friend for himself!
I was really surprise about the split personality, but i relly dont like the split seasons in netflix.
yeah, netflix really shouldn't have split the season in 2 parts and I've noticed they're doing it more and more frequently which is annoying
Make a video season 5!!
Great video! Do you think the assassin was real or more of Joe's delusions? It felt so convoluted and gave Joe the excuse of "saving" Marianne by putting her in a box instead of killing her.
I think the story of Elliot the Quinn family fixer was silly and I complained about it in my part 1 review lol. But I do believe he's real. Because we the audience see him in Paris and London at times when Joe doesn't see him - which I think means the show is telling us he's actually there.
For Goodness sake netflix. What will you do next. THREE PARTS? Maybe even FOUR!
Oh no I hope not!
So what are you watching next
Right now my watchlist includes: Swarm, Only Murders in the Building, and Carnival Row. I don't know if I'll make videos on all of them, but I also have a couple videos for older movies/shows that I want to make and a couple more list videos.
I'm a terrible person.I was rooting for Joe this season. What is wrong with me??
It's all good, it's just a show and sometimes it's fun to root for the bad guy in fiction, especially when he's the main character
Lol we been knew he was crazy
truee true.
Is Joe Goldberg crazy?
In the words of Doctor Silberman, "He's a loon."
#GoldRose
Kate got on my nerves 😅
Was he just texting himself then ?
Is that a Christmas tree?
yes lol
Why you have Christmas tree up9
my dad gave it to me the year I moved out, and after christmas, I put it away in the computer room and then never got it out again so it just lives in the background of my videos lol
I already knew about the Rhys not being real theory but didn't want it to be true. I should've picked it up when they were talking abt the erotomania in Phoebe's stalker, but it wasn't until Rhys told Joe he had to kill Tom Lockwood that I was like "fuck he's not real" lol. Because that seemed too convenient after having just spoken to Kate and her confiding in him about her dad. I personally didn't want it to turn out this way, I felt like it was kind of a cop out and would've been sm more interesting if he was real, but I still enjoyed it. I would be content if we didn't get another season tbh; with that ending, Joe has accepted himself and I feel like I can no longer root for him bc he's gone full crazy serial killer with no remorse and I just can't fuck with that. But I won't lie, I'd watch a season 5 lmao.
yeah I think if it ended now that would be fine because there's not really a big cliffhanger. but I also totally wanna see what they would do with another season
Girl Rhys is fine lol. Anyways, i dont trust kate . I believe she will be Joes downfall
Apologies if this question has been asked ad nauseam, but why on earth do you have a Christmas tree up?
I put away after christmas 2020 and never got it back out so it lives in that corner
@@cinekizzle if that isn’t a metaphor for something in my life, I don’t know what is
girl why do you still have a christmas tree
it lives in the corner
I might be the only one that doesn’t theorize or search about theories on shows, so the split made no difference to me
one of my friends didn't read anything about the show during the month gap and he said he really enjoyed the reveal! that said, I had so much fun making my videos about part 1 and the theory, and there was a lot of discussion about the show in the comments so I don't regret it. I still enjoyed watching the twist even if I suspected it was coming
Not gonna lie Reece not being real left a lot of plot holes lowkey