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Kate Galvin Character Analysis | YOU Season 4 on Netflix
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- I had some things to say about Kate Galvin from season 4 of YOU. I don't know if this is actually considered a character analysis but the phrase popped into my head as I was thinking of a title so that's what we're calling it! I think there was a lot more depth to Kate Galvin aka Katherine Lockwood than it might initially seem, so I thought it would be fun to do this deep dive into her character, the comparisons between Kate and Love Quinn, the parallels between Kate and Joe and where I think she might go in YOU Season 5.
Let me know what you think about Kate in the comments! I went into this video seeing her one way and as I watched the season again to work on my script, I started seeing her the complete opposite way. So I'd love to know what you think about her character!
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00:00 Intro
00:22 Kate + Love
02:00 Kate + Joe
03:13 Kate
05:03 Season 5
05:45 Outro
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I don’t trust her, I felt like the ending of season 4 implies that she’s kinda just become her father
Right on the money
She might be! We'll have to see what she does with all that power!
@@cinekizzle the first thing she did with it was cover up the murder of "the people's politician" who was bad for business.
@@euodiaclitterhouse4726 true
Why do people think she's like her father? The last episode really shows that Joe is more like her father. I also predict that by the end of season 5, Kate will give up on Joe, just like his mother. That is how I feel the series would go down.
The fact that she didn’t care about Joe killing makes me think she always knew he was a killer and probably knew everything about him way before, just like her father knew every detail about Joe's life.
I don't know how much Tom actually knew about Joe. Like yeah he suspected Joe killed Love because of the news articles, and he figured out Joe was from New York, but idk if he actually knew every detail. If Tom thought that Joe killed Beck and Love, wouldn't he have just killed Joe to keep his daughter safe so she didn't end up dead?
To me she didn’t care not because she knew he was a killer, but because she is conscious that she did much worse things in the past , so she feels not in the position to freak out for what Joe did. Also, when you have already witnessed crimes (done by yourself or by your Father) growing up, you start to process them in a different way. She deals with Joe’s crimes like she would like someone to deal with hers : not judgement or forgiveness .
@@cinekizzle you'd hope/think, but Tom also said he paid away Malcom's sexual assault charge and Kate didn't even know such a thing happened. Tom claimed he did it because he made her happy. So I don't think he cares about the morality of these men who date his daughter, only his daughter's safety and happiness and even if she's dating a dangerous guy, Tom CONSTANTLY has tabs on her so I don't think he would let something happen. It sounds backwards but I mean dude hiding SA from your daughter is pretty extreme too. He's a backwards guy.
@@algorithmannihilator9444 idk, I still think if he actually knew how dangerous Joe was, he would have taken him out to protect his "investment"
Not because he cares about morality but because he saw Kate as an asset.
She manipulated her dad to have Lucas Gage killed, then manipulated Joe to kill her dad. Her dad himself said she manipulates and acts like a victim she’s a thousand time worse than Love Quinn.
Do you really think she was manipulating him into killing Adam? All she did was mention him in a moment of frustration (when he had showed up at her house unannounced and interrupted her in the middle of a phone call) and then her dad went and had him killed.
He dad does say something along the lines of “why would you mention that around me if you didn’t want that outcome.”
Its almost like something similar has happened in the past and she appears more speechless than shocked/ surprised.
This is a very interesting point. I like this theory because it’ll probably make her the most evil one. Like beck if she was smart
@@cinekizzle did she? Knowing how her father will act?...
@@raishirogane7860 why beck would be evil?
I wasn't surprised when she showed no remorse for her father's death and helped cover up Rhys death. Speaks volumes. This video truly goes in depth.
I think she truly tried to be a good person when she “separated” herself from her father, but then when she learns that he was actually ALWAYS pulling the strings she broke. Now she’s just going to embrace who she is which is this- she is the favorite daughter of her father.
If she is evil it would be karmic justice for Joe to finally be outsmarted by someone that happens to be his current girlfriend. I think she's definitely cunning enough to outmaneuver him while also getting him to do her dirty work, I wouldn't be surprised if she figured out Joe's true nature in season 4 and always had every intention of using him as a pawn, especially as she has her father's tendencies.
It would be really interesting, because if she turns out to be manipulative, she definitely has had the upper hand all this time.
Feasibly, Kate is the only one whoncould ever beat him. She has the means and possible motives to do that.
Kate is a very well written character. The epitome of subtlety and nuance. I adore writing that’s not easily discernible. Kate is the ultimate power. She sent Joe to kill her father, just like she knew her father would kill Phoebe’s deplorable husband. She’s a woman who possesses an extremely high intelligence and an uncanny amount of self awareness and control. She’s a chess master. She tried to be different but she ultimately succumbed to her inherent nature. She’s Joe. 1 percent Joe.
That's such a great description of her. I'm rewatching season 4 again and I'm still so interested in her character. I really hope to see more of her in the next season!
I do think revisiting the time at Hampsie is interesting. Although Kate is visibly disgusted by Gemma's actions for the croquet game, instead of fixing it, she just leaves. Yes she's the most vocal out of the group but she doesn't actively do anything to stop it, she simply makes some comments and leave. Definitely a hint at what she's willing to do/stand up for.
Very good point! But I wonder if now that she has power, she'll stand up for something. She said the thing about stopping the world burning, and Roald said doing any real good requires having real power, and now she has that so what will she do with it? I can't wait to find out
she's the one who CHOSE to hangout with those people. Like she acts like people should feel sorry for her. Ive dropped friends not even half as evil as those people.
What I found interesting about that scene was that Kate only talked to Phoebe - the one person (apart from Joe) who was visibly upset by Gemma's behaviour. I think she didn't step in or say anything out loud in front of everyone else because she knew the consequence of it would've been the elites calling her out for "acting" like she cares for the "lower class", with the possibility of bringing up her status and father as a result - something that wouldn't be revealed until later down the line, and on her own terms as well.
She doesn't even actively try to save Phoebe from getting married. She recognised there was a problem with phoebe's mental health and that she might be getting scammed, but all she did was talk then walk away.
@@jijimo5125 eh.. what was she supposed to do? Phoebe didn't want her help
I think there is a high possibility she is evil. She didn't really shed a tear for Malcolm. She moved on to Joe super quick. She was way to comfortable with moving her friends body. The way she looks through him and pretend to not be interested is giving Love when we find out she had her eyes on him all along. I She been observing. I think she wanted Malcom dead and her father. Her childhood bestie is Roald who is crazy birds of a feather. She is smarter and more level headed than Love. Joe is too self obsessed to notice and he underestimates women. I think she choses him because he is just as delusional as her in thinking they are good people. I could be wrong but idk that's my theory anyway.
Well the not crying over Malcolm thing seemed to be the result of surpressing her emotions for years because her mother made her. And moving Gemma's body, the way I see it is that she compartmentalized what was happening in order to keep her dad from finding out because if he found out, her life would be hell. He'd hold that dirt over her head forever.
She is reaaaaaaally hard to enjoy as a character. And she is definitely evil. Kate is exactly like her father & she's brilliant at playing the victim (like many of her ilk).
Not ONCE did I ever get a decent vibe from her. I have no time for her type that complain and whine about their parents and the lofty 1% life they have been given, but live their lives in the exact same way. Did she speak up when Gemma was abusing the staff? No. But she did immediately respond to finding her murdered corpse with the instinct to cover it up. Her own "friend", after her bf was killed. She wasn't worried about catching the killer, she wasn't worried about disturbing the crime scene, nothing. Just her Daddy getting too protective. She is also abusive towards staff that her father hired to protect her, no thought to how they are more vulnerable than she is as his employees. She basically continued to cover up Simon Soo's crimes with a pay off. She knew Malcolm was cheating but I am not sure if she knew it was with his own students, which is hardcore abuse of power. But! She has no trouble being rude and hateful to strangers that she doesn't trust yet.
She is a cold blooded killer anyway. She said not only did she give those kids cancer, she felt NOTHING when she found out. She is worried for her own soul (like Joe) but not the lives of others.
Love was also spoiled with "killer" instincts. But at least she honest about who she was, why she did the things she did, and was honest about how messy she is. She was Joe's equal but he was still in denial about it. He killed her, justifying it as he always does, without accepting the hypocrisy. Now that he has Kate's support $$ he is worse than Love ever was...
GOD this show went downhill after we lost Victoria Pedretti. We did not get ANY likable characters this season with the possible exception of Phoebe. They didn't give us enough of Nadia to really care for her until the very end, unfortunately. Missed opportunity to really build her to be likable.
100% agree! Thank you for putting into words what I could not
Agree !
But this show isn't about being likable while still being a murderer. Love wasn't so loved by the audience because she she was likeable due to being a poor troubled girl with killer instincts but because that made her an interesting character and gave us great dynamics together with Joe. And how you describe Kate makes her the perfect match for "the new" Joe. Love was the perfect match when he was still in denial about his true nature and wanted to have a normal life but now that he faced his real self and is "utilizing 100%" of him, while publicly still acting all innocent and and doing anything for the greater good. IMO he fits perfectly to the hypocrisy of Kate who now can also utilize 100% of her power (her fathers money) to do 'good'.
The show is amazing. It’s not about liking characters but liking the plot/ storyline/ staying on your toes/ being interested. And it works
She actually my favorite character in this season
It's the same pattern over and over, he pursues women who come from broken families, they're easier to manipulate. He projects on to them and when they fall short of his expectations, he starts resenting them and ofc eventually finds a new woman to obsess over and stalk. Beth was normal, love was a serial killer, Marianne was normal, Kate is definitely not normal, she does know that he killed Rhys, she decides to hide that. Imo, she's going to be much worse than Love. She sits right next to him as he spews bs and lies. The fact that Kate never really did separate from her father, didn't stop being friends with some of the worst people tells me all I need to know. It's the typical Serena van der woodsen thing that she just happens to be friends with the worst people and she can't leave them and become better fr. Kate loves the drama as does Joe.
I'm so confused by people's dislike of her, I find her a really interesting character!
Agree - she is one of the most sophisticated and truly self-aware characters with thousands of layers being clearly seen by herself among others
So do I! And I liked how different she is from Joe’s other love interests.
I think that even though people say that they don’t have any chemistry. Kate might be Joe’s best love interest. She is in the middle ground of Love and Beck.
He’s not disgusted by her actions the same way he was disgusted by Love. And he doesn’t have to fully hide his true nature from her the same way he had to hide from Beck and Marianne.
If Joe doesn’t end up killing her, he might have finally found his dream girl, but he probably will.
Yaaaaas. Finally someone who likes her! 😂
Truth be told, Joe's 'You' in its ideal and real form is Kate. Once that he comes to reject her still, it's high time they both get what they deserve.
I don't know about that last part actually. Isn't season 5 supposed to be the last? I wouldn't be surprised if the show ended with Joe finally paying for his crimes by being murdered himself. Kate would be a good candidate for the job of delivering some karma so i think she kight kill him instead
Nah
I think she's smart and evil enough to be the one to put him down.
Thank you for saying EXACTLY what I was thinking! Lol I think she really is Joe’s perfect woman too. Love was a basically a reflection of the part of him he hates and doesn’t wanna be and Beck and Marianne were horrified by what he’s done “out of love” but with Kate she’s messed up but not a willing accomplice and she knows Joe isn’t REALLY a good person but she’s fine to simply turn the other cheek and that’s absolutely what Joes always wanted in a woman.
She's manipulating him. He sees what she wants him to see, and since we (the viewers) see it from Joe's perspective, we don't see it either. Ironic, we are being manipulated alongside him.
It's okay to disagree with others and think that Kate is evil, there is discussion to be had there and I've love to talk about it!
But I will be deleting comments that insult the actresses' appearance. I won't allow that unnecessary negativity here.
holy moly what is wrong with people, she's gorgeous
She is incredibly beautiful, I don’t know why anyone would say that
She’s literally a 9.5 idk what people are on
Wth Charlotte Ritchie is a goddess why are people the worst?
Yeah I think Joe always saw himself as Rhys, a down on his luck guy who was saved by learning he was a duke. However, he is more like Kate's dad who would kill to make his money. While Kate lost her dad without any resound ending and then realizing she couldn't handle the world alone, fell in love with Joe who is just like her father. I was surprised that Kate was the most underdeveloped character of all the Richies, so I am excited to see what is actually up in Season 5. Like did Kate know who Joe was the entire time?
She is underdeveloped for sure.
I think thats why her Dad intervened so much in the first place. I mean she literally supported a serial killer and hired a team to scrub his past. Compare lady phoebe and Kate. She broke up and started working somewhere alone .Phoebe's character arc went positive and kate chose toxicity in name of love.
@@Truthseeker-kc8rd yeah plus what did Joe tell Phoebe!!!! We must know!
@@fabdragon2071 I don't know if we will ever know at this point. They built so much hype around it we would be underwhelmed.
Right! I've definitely been assuming she knew about Joe a long time ago.
I think Kate is pragmatic. She knew what she was doing telling her dad about Phoebes situation with her boyfriend and even though she “protests” at his murder she was actually okay with the outcome. Just like she knew the only way to ever escape her father was through death either hers or his. She knows Joe killed her dad, that’s why the murder investigation was so quickly and tightly wrapped up. Add all this with a serial killer boyfriend and unlimited resources and power season 5 is going to be interesting.
I agree that season 5 is definitely going to be interesting!
I think she is going to be the one to kill joe in season 5. She may be the only one manipulative enough to blindside joe. Then she could justify it the way joe did when he killed love, being that she was out of control. Right now Kate is what joe wanted out of Love and beck. Him being the bad, while she is the good and accepting/understanding. Except, I don’t think Kate is really all that good, just has a good poker face and is extremely manipulative.
Yep and tis the added danger she was just as cold and calculating as Joe was in 3 when he's with Love who was impulsive and reckless. Now Joe by this point will think he can get away with anything, he will be the impulsive one and Kate will be the calculating one.
I think Joe’s going to be to Kate in Season 5 what Love was to him in Season 3. He’ll goof off, cheat on her with a cute intern and murder schmucks and Kate would have to help him clean up until she has enough of his crap and has him killed.
I was thinking something like that too!
That would be recycling the same storyline which would be a terrible idea.
TRY to have him killed. And you know what he’ll do once he feels let down by her… 😮 I’m just praying she doesn’t die. But she’ll probably die and our hearts will break like with Love 😢
I’m hoping season 5 allows us to get to know her better. I think she was raised to be evil and she’s fighting those urges, which would make her more good than evil.
But we’ll see if it sticks.
ETA : I just saw your comment - why would anyone insult her looks? She looks beautiful and strong.
Yeah, she's totally pretty but for some reason, people in comments and on reddit and stuff have been insulting her appearance. I deleted a couple of comments because that's just not cool (and also those people are wrong, she's beautiful lol)
Charlotte Richie is such a fantastic actress. It’s amazing to see her in this role after watching her silly, primary school teacher performance on Taskmaster.
Hm, I haven't seen that! The only thing I think I saw her in was Feel Good on Netflix and I did like her in that so it was nice to see her in You
“Clap with me! Click with me!” 😂 I love her
She was also brilliant in 'Ghosts'
@@sarahjane9354 oh I'll have to check that out! my mom had recommended that to me before but now that I know she's in it I'll definitely be watching lol
@@cinekizzle yeah she's the main character in the UK version :)
Out of Joe's love interests, she intrigued me the most. I'm not entirely sure why, but she was very aware of him and I liked that. It interested me, so I suppose that's why. However, this season did what I always wanted for his character, and that was for him to accept who he is, while finding "The One" for him. Now, I do hope she is the last love interest of his because it's getting old at this point, but I wonder if his new obsession will be to kill, and not stalking and indulging in other woman, kind of like a Dexter-type situation, if that makes any sense. That's my prediction for what'll happen in season five, and the ending scene definitely makes me think that is a possibility. I mean, she did tell him something he's always needed to hear, so I hope she is the last and he doesn't betray her in the way he did with Love. But, alas, it is Joe. He'll probably do something that let's all hell break loose. Though, if they are partners in crime, that would be interesting to see. And not like what he did with Love, because Kate doesn't seem to have murderous intentions, but she could help Joe cover it up, unless he wants to do so himself for the thrill of it. I just can't wait to see more of this series.
Kate and Joe are quite perfect for each other. Especially with their savior complex, sociopathic behavior, and the desire to change but hypocritically continuing to do the same.
Becky was the counterpart of Joe's "good self". That's why his "evil self" killed her.
Love was the counterpart of Joe's "evil self". That's why his "good self" killed her.
Kate is counterpart of Joe's both "selves". That's why he won't kill her (for now).
4:57 I actually think that deep down she is aware of it, and is just letting it slide. I mean malcom did cheat on kate, her father manipulated her whole life and she just absolutely despised gemma.
I think she knows about her dad, but not her friends. Considering the blame all fell on someone else for being the Eat The Rich Killer.
@@obsidianwarrior5580 yeah It was definitely a perfect frame job, but kate is smart
I got a lot of "Fleabag & Hot Priest" vibes from Joe and Kate's interactions. I do feel like they see and know each other, they mirror each other in some form. It'll be interesting to see how much truth Joe revealed because I don't think he told her everything & at the same time I think Kate will push for good but it'll backfire in some way!!
dude very time she called him out for being silent as he was narrating to us, I thought of Fleabag lol
Wow, Kate is definitely a more interesting character than I gave her credit for
she really is!
there’s so much more to come (i hope)
The thing about Kate is she's the smartest girl Joe ever been with (with Love being a close second), which makes her extremely....dangerous when it needs to be.
I think she has always been like her father and just manipulated Joe. Remember her dad talks about how intelligent she is and she was considered a youth prodigy. It’s hard to think she didn’t see through Joe earlier.
I also don’t think she’s dumb enough to not realize he killed her father. Maybe you’re right and she is just oblivious but man that would be disappointing.
it's just the way she is open about covering up Joe's murder of Rhys but says her dad was killed for money. *unless* she's just saying it that way to see if Joe confesses that he killed her father, since she wants him to be truthful with her.
@@cinekizzle she said the dna was inconclusive JUST as ‘matter of fact.’ She says things in a way that makes them seem true, when she knows they’re not. So who’s to say she doesn’t know the truth about her father? Plus, it seems like Joe told her EVERYTHING he’s done, because he was so tired of lying to her about who we was.
I think she’s gonna end up just like her father and I feel Joe is gonna see this and be resentful towards her. He’s gonna be torn between killing her or not because she has the power to help him get away with everything .
Based on his character I feel he’s gonna get tired of her, obsess over a woman from more humble beginnings and struggle with how to get rid of Kate.
Yeeeeea. He follows the pattern of: omg I love them they finally understand me, to omg they are like me I don’t want that, I want someone more innocent and humble and the cycle repeats
I think we are gonna find out that kate was manipulating joe into killing people for her. Shii i even think she was the one who killed the girl in the mansion and joe thinks it was him. To me it doesnt make sense why joe fell down the window, heard a scream, and shows up with her in the room. My guess is joe just figured he killed her but what if it was her all along?
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She’s just like Love except less forthcoming. The last episode revealed her and Love have a pretty similar life. Rich parents with a daughter who is secretly an evil murderer but they cover for her
I love this! Short and to the point covering everything 👌
Thanks for watching! :)
Finally an analysis of Kate, I was waiting for one! So first of all I think you pictured and sorted out her motives very well. I also was fascinated by her during the show but also find her will to be good to be very shaky and hypocrite through out the show. Also I was never able to shake off the feeling that she was behind all the murders and texting Joe. While I don’t believe she’s behind the first ETR murders, I still believe she somehow knows it’s been Joe (hence she’s smart as they come) and totally making use of it the moment she confides Joe with everything her father’s done to her. Even if that wasn’t true it still says a lot about her, that she gives off such an attitude.
Regarding Joe I think what draws her to him is that he not only supports her in her inherent wish to be good but also repeatedly assured her that she’s good, and that she’s doing good. While the others (Malcolm/Roald) only see her as one of themselves, exactly what she doesn’t want to be, Joe gives her the feeling that she truly is different from them because she’s not mindless and egoistic and money/status driven like them.
Also what speaks for her having a dark side is that even though she never started sth with Roald they‘re very close when he’s the most likely of the rich to kill and she knows it and accepts it and she does so with Joe.
I also payed attention to her choice of name and was quite surprised when she gave the interview in the last scene as Katherine Lockwood, which in my view only gave in more into her hypocrite will to be good.
So for Season 5 I could either see conflict in that she discovers what Joe‘s done and even though I think she could accept the past, I could Imagine her not excepting that he went on lying (or not telling) after that one point when she said be truthful from now on and also when she finds out he killed her father. BUT since I think she actually knows anyways about the killings I could also see them to team up and kill together. 1st it would be different from what we‘ve seen before (with Love it was not that they decided to work together they were more pressured to do so by the circumstances). Whereas I could totally see that they team up in the name of doing good, Joe goes on killing for what she thinks needs to be done for the greater good. And in that way she always assures that he’s worse than her, making her always the better one but also she can justify his actions by claiming they‘re for the greater good.
So this motive of being good but being totally hypocrite about it (which also is why the both of them match so well) will be the endgame and they might go down together or she’ll lose interest if she finds a way to be even better without him (but never forget she likes her boys tortured and dark).
oh yeah I was definitely suspicious of the way she opened up to Joe about her dad, wondering if she knew that he would go after her father when she revealed what he's done. but then I also look at it from the perspective of her *not* knowing Joe's a killer, because it would make sense for a woman to open up to the man she's dating about her past when she's just had another fight with her dad. it's so hard to know what's going on in her head!
I wholeheartedly agree and I honestly hope that happens in season five.
Honestly this pairing gives me Claire and Frank from house of cards vibes.
oooh, it's been a while since I watched House of Cards but I can see what you mean!
1:10 you snapped with this. Love your content 💜
thank you!
i dont think shes a evil person i think shes just blind to joe wrong doings & loves him too much & shes gonna realize more and more joe is just using her.
ps - i wish ppl would stop saying love 2.0 shes not , they just both share the same love for joe which is they dont care who/what he truly is
Hopefully she realizes before it's too late and she does something about i!
I think joe isnt using her like he wasnt using Love until he found out she was insane like or more than him but we'll see u have a point
If anything, Joe has become more like Love. He revels in his dark side now, just like Love did. You can tell Kate is truly ashamed of the bad things she has done in her life.
@@tonyc7301 Maybe or she has doubt of her actions.
@@cinekizzle No, no, no... Kate is who she is and she chose to support Joe, even after he told her everything. Which it was her who asked. She is a bad person and she is far from naive when it comes to people. Kate surrounds herself with bad people because she is most comfortable with them. She tries to level them out though.
I love your analysis! Spot-on!
Thank you!
So glad you made this cause I thought it almost the whole season
well I'm glad you watched it!
I loved this analysis
thank you!
Yes. If she is ok to scrub away all that he has done, then there is more to her than she is letting on, and no one is asking questions. Don't just walk into the lion's den and not ask questions. Always ask questions.
I wonder how much she's hiding for him though, and how honest he actually was. He might have only told her about Love and even then, he could have lied about Love killing the Madre Linda victims and claiming he killed Love in self defense. The fact she immediately covered up his murder of Rhys is significant, but also she believes he did it because of her father so she sympathizes.
@@cinekizzle if they are smart, she'll be hiding a lot more than we could suspect. That would be fun, a different kind of killer who has caught another killer in their web of lies. She could use him in so many ways.
Charlotte Ritchie is such a great actress. I only knew her from the Taskmaster game show, and had no idea she could create such a great character
wow you are getting a lot of views, love that for you, I love your chanell
Thanks! And yeah it's crazy but really exciting!! It'll slow down when I talk about other shows but that's okay :)
there are many types of psychopaths in the world, and i'm just glad she portrayed her differently and higher functioning. Not all psychopaths want to kill people.
Wow I just realized something about Kate. The entire 2 part seasons she was wearing very neutral colors. Blue, beige. Black, white, etc,. But at the very, very end, after Joe is in the hospital, and also the very last scene, she is wearing red. And I really am now starting to think that the fashion designer did this intentionally. I don't recall her wearing red at any other time during the show, but I could be wrong. And red is associated with boldness, power, sexy, bad, "evil". And considering she took over her father's role (who is a bad, powerful man), it's kind of fitting and maybe foreshadowing the type of person she feels free to really be. I can guarantee that she already knew about all of Joe's past once he was admitted in the hospital before she got there, and I can bet she understands and knows ALL of the details to his past and still is fine with it? And helped him twist it into a story that could be sold to the whole world to make him look like a good guy? I feel like she's truly more evil than Joe is
But how would she know all that stuff though? I don't even think her father knew about most of it because I would assume that if he did, he would have just taken Joe out to protect his "investment" (Kate) from being Joe's next victim.
I am interested in seeing what happens because you might be onto something with the color thing.
Hello! I have noticed this one too. The color of her outfits is limited. though she wore red outfits in 3 scenes: the first one when she touched herself, then the engagement party, and the interview scene. For me, it feels like she’s wearing red when she is not afraid to express herself, like touching herself with windows open, stopping Phoebe from marrying Adam, and introducing herself as the heir of her father’s wealth. She's also worn green on Joe's first night at Sundry House and on her first date with Joe. The color of her outfit also reminds me of Mae's Martin jokes about not wearing the red hoodie on Feel Good. Charlotte Ritchie is a leading actress there too.
@@johnellerheanelledolosa oh that's really interesting! I hadn't gone back to spot all the times she wore red, I'm glad you pointed that out!
When I watched your You show & book comparison, I knew I recognized you, haha. This is the video I've had pop up before in search results! But I neglected to watch it until now.
Man, I loved this video way more than I thought I would. I noticed this in the other video that I watched as well, but your ability to recollect a vast amount of details is incredible! How many times do you watch the season before you make a video about it? Or do you quickly retouch on key moments that you remember?
Anywho, you're the only person that sees what I see in Kate! The show sort of implies that she's Joe's best match by having her be a direct parallel to him, and a lot of people would be wrong to say that would be Love- Exhibit A: Season 3. Joe doesn't need someone like Love, he needs someone like himself!
Your observation that Joe is now Love and that Kate is now Joe is remarkable! I think the show will explore Kate being the woman she wants to be, the humane person that audiences can still relate to. Because if she becomes evil, then the final season will have to be about taking down a major power couple, when the show is about Joe. I think Joe will basically be dealing with the issues Love had, making bad decisions, making messes, letting his dark emotions do all the talking. And then Kate (playing the role Joe did in S3), will have to be the one cleaning up those messes, but instead of cheering it on or enabling it, she'll try to "keep him good", as they say. And then eventually as part of the conclusion of the season/series, she'll have to accept that the monster can't be tamed, lives will continue to be lost or ruined, and the patter will just never stop. Meaning she'll be the one to lock the cage in some shape or form, out of love and care for him and everyone else he could hurt, a position that she could've also been in.
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I'm glad somebody else recognizes what I see in Kate! I think she was a great character to introduce, to show that some people are capable of change while contrasting that with Joe's inability to change. Even as her own character, she helps us to understand more about Joe because yeah like you say, the show is about him, and it will be until the end. Oh it's gonna be a great final season.
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@@cinekizzle Thanks for making these types of videos about my all time favorite show, and feel free to check out mine. Keep 'em coming! The final season will be writing ART!
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Thank you!
Likely evil. Not naïve. She is doing what she wants to do entirely. She reads people very well and she has a history of picking romantic relationships with people who have a dark side. Im sure it is so she can manipulate them into doing things she doesn’t want to directly be tied to.Ñ. Like the Love situation, we really have been seeing her through his eyes until he gets a wake up call. Love said it before that it was all right in front of him but he just wants to stay wrapped up in his fantasy. I think the same is true here. I think the next season we will see what Kate’s dad said come true in that she drives all her boyfriends away herself. That probably happens because she uses them as scapegoats when she doesn’t want to deal with herself. She said so before that she always wanted the business. She just didn’t want any kind of truth (her dad) reminding her of anything she doesn’t want to think about. Joe likes to make it seem as though he wants good girls, but good girls always die (or at least have to appear dead in order to survive). It’s the ones that don’t mind violence (Love and now Kate) that seem to be a problem. Even though he is whole with his killer and kind sides, I wonder what will happen when they aren’t able to keep each other good. Maybe they will even bring his son back into the storyline.
That's a very interesting insight! I guess we'll have to see what she gets up to in season 5!
I think she made it easy for joe to kill her dad so she could take over
I came back here again just to say i REALLY LOVE THAT BAR SCENE lol. The way she let her guard down after joe told her he just really care.
I was honestly so confused by that scene until I finally realized "maybe she isn't bad, just guarded" and I think I started to understand her better after that
This is a pretty solid take!
There's definitly a pattern of self justification in her plus her willingness to let slide a lot of misdeeds for those who show her only a little bit of affection definitly works against her and if Joe's patterns are any indicator it will be her dowfall at his hand.
But it will be intersting to see a Joe who is no longer running from the psychopath that he was all along. With his newfound wealth and inflence I can see him being more methodical in his use of violence and if S5 is to be the last one then he will probably dig himself into a hole too deep to escape from and Kate and her family empire might not survive it.
I like how this show constantly reinvents itself while retaining a continuity and it will only be fitting that all of Joe's actions have consequences in the end.
Part of me wonders if, in Season 5, since they're "trying to do good" now, they'll get custody of Henry. I wonder how that dynamic would work in their relationship, all of a sudden being full time parents. There's been speculation on this in other online platforms, but I think that would be really interesting if they brought Henry back!
I find the season 5 part interesting with kate wanting to be good and Joe accepting his dark side. Whereas with season 3, Joe wanted to try to be good (which obvs failed) and love went to her dark side. The role reverse 👀
Yeah I think it's be interesting for the to explore the different dynamic. Especially because I think Kate IS capable of changing for the better, while Joe in season 3 wasn't able to change and blamed Love for it even though it was also his fault.
@@cinekizzle wow yeah, that's very true. ive also thought about how season 3 and season 4 part 1 are about Joe trying to be a better person but season 4 part 2 represents more permanence with Joe's dark personality and antics. A struggle within another struggle
It begs the question: why did her father like her so much more than his other kids? Sure, she's smart and capable, but was it because he thought she was good (in a similar way to how Joe projects a madonna complex on every woman he falls in love with) or was it because he knew she was actually just like himself?
I think he liked they way she did business, she was probably pretty ruthless and would have continued to be if she didn't come to her senses and leave. I think she's a bit corrupted by the power and that's why she had to actually remove herself from that world, but also why he tried to pull her back in. To try and bring out the ruthless business woman part of her again
I want to know how much joe honestly actually told her and depending on that and what she accepted I’d be able to better evaluate her. I also find it interesting she was the only love interest that he didn’t obsess over, no box for her, and that he didn’t actively pursue.
Yeah that's what I've been wondering too. We don't actually know if he told her everything or if he told her the truth. OR if he can even tell the difference between the truth and lies anymore. He had a full mental break this season, he could be convinced of his own lies at this point!
For a while, I wondered if he did secretly obsess over her, I was waiting for some reveal that he got the apartment on purpose to watch her like he did in season 2, and if the murders in part 1 were actually motivated by Kate-centric reasons rather than his own.
It seems like he told her everything, which is why he feels so free. He legit did some stalking, but she was so aware of it. It is weird that he didn’t keep any mementos of her.
I love the video
Thank you! :)
Best character of season 4 🔥
In this story, I can only surmise in allegories. If this was Sherlock Holmes, she's Moriarty. And she's codependent on Joe in terms of that relationship as much as she is manipulative. Perhaps it isn't or wasn't her inclination but I believe it is her nature just like it is Joe's nature, which he accepted to kill if the time calls for it.
A few people have mentioned the Sherlock/Moriarty thing (she did call him Sherlock multiple times in the last season) so now I've finally looked it up, it seems they both died fighting each other?? Hmmm interesting thought...
I think she will be the one that makes Joe face justice.
I hope so! I think that would be a good way for him to be taken down!
I hope it's Ellie. Even if we only get to see Jenna Ortega for one episode, it will be worth it. She's gotta put the netflix docu series together about his whole story and bring both of those monsters down.
I didn't expect to like her as much as I did. Out of all Joes love interests I would actually enjoy being friends with her. She is self aware and doesn't do BS.
I think she seemed guarded at first but once he got to know her, she was genuine and trying to be a decent person. I know a lot of people were turned off by her tough exterior which I can relate to because I don't make a great first impression either lol
I don’t think she is evil cuz she does seem to feel bad about certain things, but I think she’s not as good as she wants to be. I think she is setting herself up for failure and is on a slippery slope.
I still have some hope for her tho. I kind of hope she is able to redeem herself in the final season and maybe be the one who final puts Joe behind bars. I don’t think she will because the lengths she already went for him. Helping him cover up the Reese’s (lol I can’t remember his name for sure) murder without blinking was concerning for sure, especially because there wasn’t much evidence of him doing anything bad to Joe
Yeah I'm really worried she's going to be tempted by the power she's inherited. She was doing alright when she was separated from that world, but now that she's pulled into it again, it could bring out the worst in her.
I think she covered up Joe's involvement in Rhys' murder because she really believed he did it by direction of her dad, and thinks her dad *made* Joe do it. So she sees her dad as the problem, not Joe. Maybe in season 5, she has the same realization that Love did and realizes Joe is the problem
The fact that they panned to Joe holding her knee and her giving the hand a side eye more than once has to mean something for season 5
Yeah it really felt like there was something to that, right??
He’s going to break her legs?
At first I thought she was a sociopath not a pychopath like joe.
But he craves her power I hope there isn't a bigger fish in nxt season to tempt him
The only thing I liked about her is that she bullied joe in the beginning tbh
lolll validd
she was so real for that
Yes
fair lol
I liked her character idk why but I like her
season 5 is in production now
I've seen some news about it and plan to make a video with all the news I've heard so far!
I Love Kate ❤️🔥
me too!
Tbf I suspect she’s like Love in doing bad things to do what she thinks is good. I really hope we watch her and she’ll fall further and further apart as Joe gets worse and worse.
She’s gonna play up her charity work while being just as evil as her father, if not far worse bc she’ll be able to rationalize a lot by saying “but I’m also donating to X cause which out weights the bad I’m about to do”
I still think there might be some connection between her and Love. Didn't Love go to culinary school in London?
I think she mentioned something about culinary school in Paris but in a future tense, not that she had gone in the past.
Idk I’m kinda rooting for Kate at this point, I want her to do good and be good, she’s definitely the most intriguing character of S4 so far to me personally.
Also I feel like she’s not gonna be that easily manipulated by Joe if he intends to murder people and her covering for him, she’s been raised into this "criminal" lifestyle so she’s got a good read on these kind of behaviors
I think she’s gonna end up outsmarting him and probably kill him that’s just a hunch of mine I guess 🤷🏻♂️
I really hope she is as genuine as I believe she is. I know a lot of people think she's being manipulative but to me the story would be so much better if she actually is the opposite of Joe - a person who did bad stuff but IS changing for the better.
@@cinekizzle I totally agree bc we’ve already had Love being his "equal" but this time it would be refreshing to see Kate stand her ground, stick to her morals and ACTUALLY do good! Can’t wait for S5!!
She’s so fine :)
Whether she's good or evil, she's just dislikeable before anything, but not in a way that will make you passionately hate her, just in a way that makes you want to dismiss her and never give her another thought. I have waited all season for a moment that would make me care for her at all and it just didn't happen
hm, I guess we just disagree there because I've clearly given her a lot of thought loll
She's so cool with murder and people dying it creeps me out. I had the feeling at the end scene that she's in on Joe's sickness and together they are a team in this.
What do you mean she's cool with murder? She flipped out on her dad for having Adam killed
She is my favorite character in this season!!
How on earth do people compare Kate and Love? They are only in alike in being attracted to Joe
I’m still curious, does Kate know that Joe killed her dad and is just okay with it? I find it interesting because if so, that means can finally be at peace without feeling bad or having any consequences. Kate being the one for him.
I'm not sure. I think she doesn't know because she said her dad being killed for money was karmic, which leads me to think she does believe his bodyguard killed him, not Joe. Between the hospital scene and the interview at the end, it's possible that he told her but I think he would probably tell her as little as possible.
kate is very flawed and she has the right amount of darkness not too much like love and not too little Like beck so that makes her perfect for joe
I don't know why but joe and Kate give Jeff epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell vibes :)
Why was she holding the knife that killed Gemma? 🤨 Why so confident of hiding the body? I think she knows who Joe is, like her father did.
She is the worst... since the beggining she manipulates Joe to kill her boyfriend, then manipulates her dad to kill, and again, manipulates Joe to kill her dad. I almost believe Joe did'nt kill all the rich ones, maybe she did and make Joe believe he did. I don't know, It is blowing my mind. 🥴
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Just based on the way she is styled in the last scene, I think they are priming her to be a villain. She’s wearing red and she has this very triangular silhouette which is often associated with evil characters. That combined with the fact that she seems to be wearing a power suit (reminiscent of the hyper capitalist work culture of the 80s) and her shoulder pads point up at the ends, almost like little devil horns. Plus, this show has a tendency to lean into political commentary (especially critiques of capitalism) so I think we may see more of that next season as we watch her power corrupt her.
Oh huh, tat's something I hadn't picked up on!
Kate is number 3 under the number 2 beck. And yeah she is like Joe more than love.. damn she is really smart.
Joe and Kate will probably be married in season 5 and Joe being Joe Goldberg again now she might be Kate Goldberg
Though we don't have the scene, it is implied that Joe told her everything about his life and she accepts it, which is a massive red flag. Joe can't see it because having a good person who understands his way and doesn't judge him for it is his life goal. But the truth is, in my opinion, you can't be a good person if you think Joe is a good person too (or you have the nurse syndrome which is another kind of red flag, and doesn't seem to be the case lf Kate anyway). So the fact that she stayed with him even if she knows say something. Either she is evil, either she is pretending for whatever reason.
Also the last scene gives me "triumphant evil rich people" vibes from both of them.
idk, people keep saying this but I don't know why we're all of a sudden believing he told her the truth, the whole truth? Like we were explicitly shown Marienne getting on the train and that turned out to not have happened so when she says "What do I need to know about your past?" and he tells her his name and then we don't see anything else he told her, maybe I missed something but I personally just don't have good reason to believe he actually told her much of anything. What does she NEED to know about his past? I think he can very easily justify leaving out A LOT by thinking she doesn't *need to know* it all.
I honestly didn't care for her at all in Season 4!!!!!!
aw really?? hm, well there were some people who didn't like Marienne in season 3 but loved her in season 4, so maybe Kate gets better in season 5 or maybe we'll all start to hate her lol
I think Kate was raised in a way that now nothing really scares her or surprises her, she has a strong character, she didn’t even lose it when she saw Gemma had been killed and she had not any reaction when Joe told her he had to kill Rhys. I don’t think she is evil (she was in the past and she is now willing to make up for her mistakes) , it would be kinda redundant to have another evil girlfriend after Love Quinn.(so far we have always seen different types of girlfriends) Unless she is evil but in other respects, so she doesn’t kill anyone but she is far from being a morally right person in all the things related to her business, her company etc. Anyways I hope this time we won’t have always the same patterns “relationship issues etc”, I actually hope Joe and Kate will get along well and the season will focus on some other type of threats/problems
yeah that's one reason why I think she's not evil either, they'd just be repeating the Love story a little bit. I think someone had mentioned that Penn alluded to their relationship not lasting in season 5 but I don't know where he would have said that or if that could change.
@@cinekizzle i don't know where or or when Penn might have said that either. I think Penn knows how It Will end in the final episode, but he can't know the rest of the screenplay yet, so whatever he said it's Just his personal thought/Hope i believe. I don't know, maybe he said this referring to a not Happy ending for Joe in season 5 last episode, That's why he said It won't last with Kate, but not because they Will have relationship problems during the season. I also think that It would not be a great move now to split from Kate since She Is very powerful, She knows what he did and She has so many resources to help him in anything. I really Hope Joe won't find another feminine source of obsession at this point. By the way I am Reading some comments of people saying they never liked Kate at all, I Actually loved her character since her First scene instead Lol. What's your opinion on this?
is there season 5 of you?
The show has been renewed for season 5 but they haven't started making it yet
I can't warm up to her. She's the most unlikable of all Joe's love interests.
How far Kate will go ??? Joe has got pattern of protecting . Killing is insecurity of Joe so let's hope "You" season 5 what is new pattern 😊
She's gonna do something bad that will inadvertently will affect paco and joe will handle her
i can't tell if she is a good or a bad person.the only thing i can confirm is that she is a big hypocrite and a manipulator. she spent all of S4 complaining about her father and then using her money to exonerate a murderer. anyone who thinks that in S5 she's going to form an invincible couple with Joe, you're seriously mistaken. their couple is doomed simply because Joe is unstable and still has his double personality and Kate will end up like all the others if she tries to double Joe. don't forget that kate's dad warned joe about her like dottie warned him about love. there won't be a happy ending for them
i could also see them team up to kill in the name and work together and finally they’ll get brought down or just slip to an anonymous life but I don’t see him kill her as I also don’t see her being so innocent, i still can see a plot twist coming revealing her behind the murders somehow (actually scheming joe into the killings or sth) but that would probably give her a bigger role than Joe so that’s unlikely but she’s just too smart to not see all the death around him and not connecting it
Watch it be like Tyler durden and she’s another one of his personalities
lol Joe just breaking his mind into a million different pieces
@@cinekizzle probably always was. Could of imagined the whole mom story and always had bizarre narratives
she is love 2.0
I'm not sure if she's actually evil or not but I'm pretty confident that she's going to take Joe down in season 5
I'd love to see that, honestly. I would like for her to be good and take Joe down, so he's taken down by somebody that changed for the better which was something he wanted but failed to do.
Did Kate not see the text joe sent from her phone to her dad?
I would assume he deleted it
She looks exactly like Margot Kidder!
oh I looked her up and you're right!
I liked her so much but the last episode I feel so iffy with her
I feel like she might not know everything Joe did. I think he lied to her tbh. I think it would be interesting either way though
Yeah I don't think he told her everything at all. Even if he didn't lie, he definitely omitted a lot of things.
Im believing that Kate never actually asked Joe anything, bc it wouldn’t matter, she is okay with everything. Kate gives Joe a blanket acceptance for whatever reason
Im believing that Kate never actually asked Joe anything, bc it wouldn’t matter, she is okay with everything. Kate gives Joe a blanket acceptance for whatever reason
Dad cleaning up her every movie is a big red flag.
She reminds me of Ghislaine Maxwell
I don't really know who that is :/
@@cinekizzle do you research and you will know