I think what he did to Nadia proves that he actually never cared about the people he saved, he was doing it to prove to himself that he was a good person, but the second he accepted he was a bad one every moral thought wasn’t there anymore, therefore they were never real, just him wishing they were
Forget about Nadia he killed that college boy like is nothing , I can't see joe the same way anymore , if there is a season 5 I find it hard to believe the writers are gonna make Joe likeable again, it was the heart of the appeal of the show , how we go and watch this guy who did bad things but we found ourselves rooting for him .
@@brendacastillo8146 to be honest i never watched the show with those eyes, so maybe i can offer you a perspective that’ll make season 5 enjoyable in a different way. I never liked joe as a person, but i was fascinated by how able he was to lie to himself (the most obvious time was when he was insulting Peach for spying on Beck while doing the exact same thing) and what really made the show for me was trying to understand how much of his moral compass was actual morality and how much was necessity to prove to himself he was good (in season 2 he calls the “real will” that had in a cage for a month and then freed and actually says to himself “see proof that i can be good and free people”). In season five he has accepted he is a bad person so we’ll get to see who he is really, what part of that moral still exists and what part was bs. I don’t think it was ever about making him likeable, i think it was always about showing how you can believe you’re a good person while acting the complete opposite, how killers, but also normal people, rationalise the bad things they do and how everyone always believes to be the hero of the story, even the villains
Nadia is my favorite character this season, so I was really angry and disgusted by that end, it's was really good but I was hoping Joe would finally get some punishment for all he has done to some many people.
Not gonna lie alot of people will definitely say season 4 was bad or season 4 was the best, but what I will say is that episode 10 of season 4 was hands down the best episode of the entire YOU series, that ending was way too dark and twisted
It had a rough start. Like now in full context. The first half Makes a lot more sense. But it still feels like it drags sometimes, but holy shit. This second half. This is YOU. Having me at the edge of my seat, and constantly throwing things I never expect. I loved it.
@@jennaywilliams1024 they said i hope, not that it was up to her. nadia saved marriennes life & marrienne herself said she didn’t have to. & ppl feel for nadia so naturually they hope marrienne will help her too. but at the end of the day she shouldn’t she should stay wit her kid. & stay safe away from joe or anything that has to do wit him.
If I still hear people say they are in love with Joe after THIS season? There is no hope left 😭😭😭 I love that we actually got out of his mind to have a perception of the actual victims. The rose colored glasses were off for real for real.
@Hailey Brown ~spoilerish~ You still love the character after seeing what he did to Marienne? After the way he mercilessly betrayed Nadia or tortured Rhys? His coldness, his craziness, the violence!Oh hell no! He is a sick twisted villain I'm ready for them to either arrest him or off him. I'm ready for a resolution NOW! 😂
i think it had to do with compromising marienne from seing her daughter since she would have to stay in london for the declaration and the legal procedures and stuff AND see joe throughout all of it
Dude cops drag situations out way too much. Joe has crazy amounts of connections and he would’ve had time to get away with something. At first I was taken aback with that decision but considering Marienne’s situation and Joe’s tendencies it made sense
Yeah I felt the same, but like Marienne mentioned: he always finds a way to escape. Which, at first, I thought that it sounded like a bit of a stretch. but when the season ends with Joe having all of Kate's resources, his entire story gets re-written publicly and he can get away with all the murders he has ever committed or will commit in the future. It's really sick, but if he had let Marienne go, him and the Lockwood people would probably end up silencing her by death or by blackmailing. He WOULD find her again and she would either end up dead, or just never free from him for the rest of her life with a constant threat luring around the corner. Even though it sounded quite dumb, it did end up being true: the only way for Marienne to truly escape Joe, was by killing him or by "killing" herself.
I really love how Penn has understood his role to a place where he can articulate the mindset of his character. Even tho he’s going along with the flow, he knows exactly what to say that answers why Joe is Joe and where his feels lie. Sidebar season 4 part 2 was phenomenal. I think any show or book that has someone living in their own delusion and then having to take themselves out will always be great watches/reads for me. We lived in Joes “perfect” world of who he thinks he is when all the while the voice narrating his true thoughts of “I would k this person for being a douche” is actually who he is. He’s literally placed himself in a bubble. Mind you I’m thinking Rhys was wearing masks lmfaooooo like “that shape shifting DOG” I was so weak at how supportive I was of Joe knowing darn well I wanted to live in his bubble too. When Joe is bad. Crazy anyway great interview!!
I bingewatched the series doing an all nighter. The 4th season is the best for me, 3rd and 4th seasons of the show where we see a lot of character development.
I still don't understand Kate. I assume he told her everything about him in the hospital. That he is a murderer. And she just accepts it while she tried to not be like her father the whole season? Sure, character development exists, but this was a jump way too big for me.
I think it is assumed that Joe doesn't tell her everything. He only gives her a glimpse of what he did. AND I think because she is soooo obsessed in the bad things she has done, she accepts what Joe has done.
It makes sense actually. Her whole character development is guided by Joe. Joe embracing his dark side instead of pushing it away inspires her to do the same. They both are bad people. Before, while trying to do good, both reject that negative part of their character, which makes them feel guilt. Now after Joe’s suicide, they are still trying to do good, but has accept that they are terrible people regardless, and that is ok for them. That’s why Kate still love Joe.
I’m assuming Joe tells her what he’s done in a way that shines him in the best light. He has a way of rationalizing what he’s done and what he continues to do. And speaking from experience, it’s easy to look past what someone has done when you have only ever seen the best parts of them. Subconsciously you try to reason why they might do such a thing and why what they’ve done doesn’t define them
@@tannyocean9984 There's a distinct possibility that Kate is manipulating Joe, I think. Like, I think that's gotta be where they are going in some ways I think, a woman is going to be able to control *him*, not the other way around.
Kate is such a hypocrite. She shuts Roald down for trying to be with her and be above the law claiming she wants a normal life but gets with Joe to do the very thing that Roald wanted. 🙄😂
You are confusing something, she also like Joe lied to herself believing she is a good person but ultimately in the end like Joe accepted her dark side. She got with Joe because they are the same.
@@AleksaTovarlazaI don’t understand how Kate has a dark side. I mean Ik what she did to the kids but that was a long time ago and she was only a teen. Joe has been going on for years.
Yes. What surprised me most was that it was predictable for the most part, but done so well. They left so many clues. The denial, the psychological confrontation, and the switch in perspective were just so good. Surely it wasn’t perfect, but it was great enough that I was on the edge of my seat.
I actually semi disagree about the bridge scene. Yes joe isn’t killing himself because of depression and yes joe is thinking about saving other people from a killer. But no, joe is finally self reflecting and he is committing suicide out of acceptance that he is the killer that needs to be stopped.
That's why I wish he actually died and that was the end of the show. It would have been the first real time we've seen real character development from him.
It really is way more self reflection and self-awareness than he has ever had before. I agree. I think Penn is kinda referring to the fact that Joe hasn't REALLY internalized the fact that he's a monster. He's starting to get it on the surface level but he still hasn't fully accepted that part of himself
i think the point he’s trying to make is he not killing himself because he finally realizes he is a monster that the world would be better off without, but because he has to “protect” kate. ultimately denying the monster and still portraying himself as the white knight. he self reflects, yes, but his denial paints a different picture.
maybe it was part of the role as Joe. Or he's just really linguistically talented. or he reads a lot. You certainly can't learn that from the scripts alone :)
I love that penn set the record straight with joes intentions and that this wasn’t him self reflecting nor recognizing the things he’s done I’m SO glad he said that that he broke it down like that that he’s not spreading the notion that Joe is some sort of guise. God I rlly fucking love penn badgley
I agree!! Between the private investigator from Peach’s family and the Quinn family who now know that Joe is still alive, it’s only a matter of time before he eventually gets caught. Not to mention, Joe isn’t planning to stop killing people and Kate is only going to enable him by covering them up .
Nigga killed like 8 ppl this season, literally his highest body count ever. Even though on the flipside, this is the only season where he only has sex with one woman, 🤔
@@bypugs I think the end was dark, and the next season is going to be an even darker mess, since he accepted the fact, that he is indeed not a good person. And now he has power and already said himself, killing did only get easier. Very interesting, people liked his character through the season, but maybe we're going to see his the series changing to an anti-joe tone with a final end for him.
There’s so many things that we need to address in season 5: where are Delilah’s and Candace’s bodies? Didn’t Joe say in the last season Love never told him what she did w/ them? Where is Ellie? Will Marrienne seek revenge? I doubt the Conrads or Theo & Mathew are going to say anything considering Joe saved Theo and the Conrads probably don’t want shit to do w/ Joe. Where’s Henry ? With Joe’s new access to power and resources, I can only see another group of powerful people successfully fighting against him. . . Maybe the Quinn family or Peach’s family? Ugh idk. Someone needs to intervene!! Omg and poor Nadia . Her ending broke me 😩 I’m so glad people are finally realizing Joe is and has always been HORRIBLE.
I really liked s4 part 1 because I thought they were going for a reformed supervillain-type story: a man with an evil past determined to not go down that path again but meets someone (Rhys) who does a similar evil and forces him to become what he hates. That plot dynamic was fascinating to me. And they left on a perfect cliffhanger because the stage was set for Joe and Rhys' showdown - was Joe gonna overcome his evil nature or Rhys gonna drag him down to his level? I was so eager to see how they were gonna conclude it in the second half. But holy crap did they send me for a loop.
I have always stated, anytime Joe protects someone INCLUDING KIDS, it goes horribly bad. Paco, Ellie, Theo, and now Nadia have each had some messed up things happen to them because of Joe.
Nadia and Edward are not kids; they are students in college/university that will make them at least 19-20yo. Both of them acted foolish; trying to outsmart a serial criminal, completely ignoring Marienne's several warnings. When you play with fire you get burned. Simply as that.
they REALLY need to bring back so many characters here in season 5. Theo, Ellie, Paco, DOCTOR NICKY?!?! Becks friends?!! i’m assuming he bought the book store he worked at, and being in NYC again he has to run into Becks friends and possibly even see Doctor Nicky in prison or something. I know Paco moved away but it would be cool to see a nod to his character at least. And come on… we need to wrap up things with Ellie. Where is she? Is she pissed? PLUS we have Loves parents?! they must be PISSSEEDDD finding out he’s alive. AND Marianne wants revenge. so much to explore and I hope they do any of these or all of them but i feel like that’s too much lol so a nice nod every now and again would be nice at least
Penn and Tati's performance was truly amazing. they are the core of season 4. the characters Rhys and Nadia a nugget. the other characters for me were useless and did not bring much. but the S4 remains for me the best
ngl when joe killed Rhys and then when he started imagining Rhys and then when we see the scenes of Joe kidnapping Marianne and being like “I’m not Joe”, i rlly thought Rhys hired someone to look put on a mask or smth to look like joe and himself
the way i saw it, when he hugged rhys after he told him he loves joe was him accepting and loving himself. from now on he is going to be killing for himself and loving himself. idk if this makes any sense but thats just how i saw it. acceptance and self love
Season 4 was good because it finally gave us the REAL perspective of what Joe really is… a lot of people don’t like it probably because they don’t want to accept the fact that at the end of the day joe is a psychopath that needs to go DOWN. I can’t wait for next season!!!
Idk about other people but i love Joe's character even more now that he has embraced his stone cold darkside and he can finally live up to his true potential
I’m definitely not trying to defend him at all because I’ve officially stopped “rooting” for him to change, but in a way …. He did TRY to fix this situation all on his own and if he hadn’t been rescued then his plan to save others would’ve succeeded in a way. He got a second chance but not to redeem himself anymore, but to be who he has always been-evil. Him framing Nadia was the saddest and twisted part of it all for me. I never would’ve expected that, but then again what do we expect from serial killers?
I don’t understand how him jumping off the bridge then switches to him being completely evil (w what happened to Nadia and Eddie). Like I thought he jumped off the bridge and lost his bad side and got to restart a lovely life w Kate… till we saw Nadia’s fate.
To some degree I find Joe's dissociative identity a little bit of a rush thing not entirely because they have made a reference to this before with the first therapist in season 1 but I definitely wish they delved into it a little bit more throughout the other two seasons but I will say it is interesting that we will get to see the fully integrated Joe next season
I still think that he knew that kate was a lockwood and had planned this since the begining, i just think he didnt count on having a mental breakdown that delayed his plans. I think the jump from the bridge was planned and he knew that he was likely to be rescued and thats why his emergency contact was kate so she could see him as repented from all of the horrible things he did in the past.
IF a 5th season is created, I want to see Marianne be the hero. I really want Joe to finally be taken down once and for all, Joe has his dose of karmic justice brewing, and I believe it should be in the form of Marianne going after him and helping Nadia get proven innocent. I also would like to see Kate be brought down also, Roald wanted to be with her and she turns him down only to end up with Joe doing what Roald was trying to begin with is hypocritical on her part. Both need to be brought down, or turn against eachother, either way Joe needs to be stopped.
Maybe Joe will be taken down at some point but the message is about this type of "Joe" exist in the world everywhere. The season 3 ending with Joe walking out and blending in the crowd - a quite fitting reminisce and tribute to the ending of The Silence of The Lambs where Hannibal [Anthony Hopkins] walk nonchalantly stalking his prey.. -, only shows that we all prone to believing our own stories, as distorted from reality they might be. People don't believe in facts, they believe in what they want to believe. And that is what Joe knows very well.
Season 4 is the best Season because we finally see how unhinged he is and how not charismatic it is , I think as a viewer it makes us also ready for him to be taken down without thinking poor joe
I was so angry that Joe didn’t die and that they snuck in that sudden survival crap in the last 90 seconds. But given how much people love Joe, him dying might just evoke more viewer sympathy
This is the transition where we don't root for the serial killer anymore. Ngl it started for me in S3 but really cemented it here. He's just full blown evil now--incapable of good.
Because she is like him. Similar to Love (season 2-3); only Kate is more cunning, very sharp and collected and way smarter. She [Kate] will end up in the box where it all started for Joe when he was a kid; in the basement of the old library he bought with no other than Kate's her own money.. It will be quite fitting her money will be her own demise as a payback for the suffering she caused in the past. We all pay the dues sooner or later. Or someone we love will.
I was one of those fans that lived in anticipation till this season came out and unfortunately im really disappointed. The second half of the season, I turned it off in the middle of the first episode.
Rhys illusions was boring, all the characters was boring. The so called twists didn’t move me it was by far the worst season. I’m sat so disappointed in the whole season felt pointlesd
Joe from S1-S3 is no longer with us after the fall in S4 Pt2. Why people think Joe is cold blooded when he spared Love after announcing she was pregnant?! Didn't off his landlady sister and felt horrible about causing Mari to "lose custody". Nadia had it coming, she could've called the cops and chose to over complicate things (Mari too) and got what she deserved (Heck take a picture like you tried in the finale or a video. Personally only thing I think was wrong is Mari survived and Nadia should've been ended instead of her boyfriend but it did get the message that Joe has no more goodness left in him (Hence the reflection scene, the doc mentioning he DID die but was brought back, and the look he gives is like Pride rather than Remorse.
Was hardly a "twist" could see that shit coming from the very first episode. Such lazy and boring writing, can't think of any ideas that are even remotely original
I think what he did to Nadia proves that he actually never cared about the people he saved, he was doing it to prove to himself that he was a good person, but the second he accepted he was a bad one every moral thought wasn’t there anymore, therefore they were never real, just him wishing they were
Forget about Nadia he killed that college boy like is nothing , I can't see joe the same way anymore , if there is a season 5 I find it hard to believe the writers are gonna make Joe likeable again, it was the heart of the appeal of the show , how we go and watch this guy who did bad things but we found ourselves rooting for him .
@@brendacastillo8146 to be honest i never watched the show with those eyes, so maybe i can offer you a perspective that’ll make season 5 enjoyable in a different way. I never liked joe as a person, but i was fascinated by how able he was to lie to himself (the most obvious time was when he was insulting Peach for spying on Beck while doing the exact same thing) and what really made the show for me was trying to understand how much of his moral compass was actual morality and how much was necessity to prove to himself he was good (in season 2 he calls the “real will” that had in a cage for a month and then freed and actually says to himself “see proof that i can be good and free people”). In season five he has accepted he is a bad person so we’ll get to see who he is really, what part of that moral still exists and what part was bs. I don’t think it was ever about making him likeable, i think it was always about showing how you can believe you’re a good person while acting the complete opposite, how killers, but also normal people, rationalise the bad things they do and how everyone always believes to be the hero of the story, even the villains
@@nadiadipaola9836 Samee. I got hooked because of the absurdity. I wanted to know how delusional Joe can be to always make himself a good guy
Nadia is my favorite character this season, so I was really angry and disgusted by that end, it's was really good but I was hoping Joe would finally get some punishment for all he has done to some many people.
@@rmcastro99 maybe in season 5?
Not gonna lie alot of people will definitely say season 4 was bad or season 4 was the best, but what I will say is that episode 10 of season 4 was hands down the best episode of the entire YOU series, that ending was way too dark and twisted
The made us wait for it but it was worth it 100%
I think I agree. It’s definitely UP THERE. Lots of twists and turns ups and downs I loved it.
It had a rough start. Like now in full context. The first half Makes a lot more sense. But it still feels like it drags sometimes, but holy shit. This second half. This is YOU. Having me at the edge of my seat, and constantly throwing things I never expect. I loved it.
Nah, I think Season 4 was good but Season 2 was still the best. But looking forward to Season 5, hopefully Ellie eyeballs can come back 🤞🏾
Bro if I see this copied comment one more time
They did Nadia soooo DIRTYYYYY!!! I Hope Marianne helps her get out of prison.
It's up to a victim to help get Nadia out of jail? Are you insane. She said no cops!
Lol shame Nadia 🤣
She should have stayed in her lane
@@jennaywilliams1024 they said i hope, not that it was up to her. nadia saved marriennes life & marrienne herself said she didn’t have to. & ppl feel for nadia so naturually they hope marrienne will help her too. but at the end of the day she shouldn’t she should stay wit her kid. & stay safe away from joe or anything that has to do wit him.
@@zeuscharger17 No she shouldn’t have. 🙄 Joe needs to be punished.
If I still hear people say they are in love with Joe after THIS season? There is no hope left 😭😭😭
I love that we actually got out of his mind to have a perception of the actual victims. The rose colored glasses were off for real for real.
Lmfao
Joe: I've killed people (people, as in plural not singular)
Kate: I love you too
Me: 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@clemz9013 😂😂😂
i mean it’s just a show so i still love him cuz he’s not real. if he was then it’d be a different story
@@clemz9013 i wan a see a vid talking ab this bc whatttt. kate jus don’t question it, like does she know everything now i’m so confused 💀
@Hailey Brown ~spoilerish~
You still love the character after seeing what he did to Marienne? After the way he mercilessly betrayed Nadia or tortured Rhys?
His coldness, his craziness, the violence!Oh hell no! He is a sick twisted villain I'm ready for them to either arrest him or off him. I'm ready for a resolution NOW! 😂
What I thought was kinda dumb was that they didn’t call the cops. They would’ve listened to Marriene especially in that cage lol
i think it had to do with compromising marienne from seing her daughter since she would have to stay in london for the declaration and the legal procedures and stuff AND see joe throughout all of it
@@miacmiacmia yeah
@@miacmiacmia good point
Dude cops drag situations out way too much. Joe has crazy amounts of connections and he would’ve had time to get away with something. At first I was taken aback with that decision but considering Marienne’s situation and Joe’s tendencies it made sense
Yeah I felt the same, but like Marienne mentioned: he always finds a way to escape. Which, at first, I thought that it sounded like a bit of a stretch. but when the season ends with Joe having all of Kate's resources, his entire story gets re-written publicly and he can get away with all the murders he has ever committed or will commit in the future. It's really sick, but if he had let Marienne go, him and the Lockwood people would probably end up silencing her by death or by blackmailing. He WOULD find her again and she would either end up dead, or just never free from him for the rest of her life with a constant threat luring around the corner. Even though it sounded quite dumb, it did end up being true: the only way for Marienne to truly escape Joe, was by killing him or by "killing" herself.
You season 4 ending actually freaked me out, i loved the season
I really love how Penn has understood his role to a place where he can articulate the mindset of his character. Even tho he’s going along with the flow, he knows exactly what to say that answers why Joe is Joe and where his feels lie.
Sidebar season 4 part 2 was phenomenal. I think any show or book that has someone living in their own delusion and then having to take themselves out will always be great watches/reads for me. We lived in Joes “perfect” world of who he thinks he is when all the while the voice narrating his true thoughts of “I would k this person for being a douche” is actually who he is. He’s literally placed himself in a bubble. Mind you I’m thinking Rhys was wearing masks lmfaooooo like “that shape shifting DOG” I was so weak at how supportive I was of Joe knowing darn well I wanted to live in his bubble too. When Joe is bad. Crazy anyway great interview!!
the killer that kills rich people appears he is rich himself that does not make sense
I bingewatched the series doing an all nighter. The 4th season is the best for me, 3rd and 4th seasons of the show where we see a lot of character development.
I still don't understand Kate. I assume he told her everything about him in the hospital. That he is a murderer. And she just accepts it while she tried to not be like her father the whole season? Sure, character development exists, but this was a jump way too big for me.
Exactly
I think it is assumed that Joe doesn't tell her everything. He only gives her a glimpse of what he did.
AND I think because she is soooo obsessed in the bad things she has done, she accepts what Joe has done.
It makes sense actually. Her whole character development is guided by Joe. Joe embracing his dark side instead of pushing it away inspires her to do the same. They both are bad people. Before, while trying to do good, both reject that negative part of their character, which makes them feel guilt. Now after Joe’s suicide, they are still trying to do good, but has accept that they are terrible people regardless, and that is ok for them. That’s why Kate still love Joe.
I’m assuming Joe tells her what he’s done in a way that shines him in the best light. He has a way of rationalizing what he’s done and what he continues to do. And speaking from experience, it’s easy to look past what someone has done when you have only ever seen the best parts of them. Subconsciously you try to reason why they might do such a thing and why what they’ve done doesn’t define them
@@tannyocean9984 There's a distinct possibility that Kate is manipulating Joe, I think. Like, I think that's gotta be where they are going in some ways I think, a woman is going to be able to control *him*, not the other way around.
So are we ever going to find out what he told Phoebe that night? 👀
Nope at least what articles said
@@JoannaEve damn man i really wanna know 😩
He said he forgot
@@Fr_g I don’t accept that lol
@@kirathelightworker be genuinely have forgot that remember he was already dissociating as Rhys Montrose at that time.
they've finally made me really dislike Joe, very good
Kate is such a hypocrite. She shuts Roald down for trying to be with her and be above the law claiming she wants a normal life but gets with Joe to do the very thing that Roald wanted. 🙄😂
You are confusing something, she also like Joe lied to herself believing she is a good person but ultimately in the end like Joe accepted her dark side. She got with Joe because they are the same.
@@AleksaTovarlazaI don’t understand how Kate has a dark side. I mean Ik what she did to the kids but that was a long time ago and she was only a teen. Joe has been going on for years.
@@pde8444 I think they mean when Kate accepts her dads money.
I love Season 4. I think it's some of the best writing on any television show I've seen in many years.
Yes. What surprised me most was that it was predictable for the most part, but done so well. They left so many clues. The denial, the psychological confrontation, and the switch in perspective were just so good. Surely it wasn’t perfect, but it was great enough that I was on the edge of my seat.
I actually semi disagree about the bridge scene. Yes joe isn’t killing himself because of depression and yes joe is thinking about saving other people from a killer. But no, joe is finally self reflecting and he is committing suicide out of acceptance that he is the killer that needs to be stopped.
That's why I wish he actually died and that was the end of the show. It would have been the first real time we've seen real character development from him.
It really is way more self reflection and self-awareness than he has ever had before. I agree. I think Penn is kinda referring to the fact that Joe hasn't REALLY internalized the fact that he's a monster. He's starting to get it on the surface level but he still hasn't fully accepted that part of himself
Bro that’s literally what Penn just said
@@sammellichampe3901 penn said joe still isn’t self reflective in this scene I disagree
i think the point he’s trying to make is he not killing himself because he finally realizes he is a monster that the world would be better off without, but because he has to “protect” kate. ultimately denying the monster and still portraying himself as the white knight. he self reflects, yes, but his denial paints a different picture.
i love how he speaks so eloquently
maybe it was part of the role as Joe. Or he's just really linguistically talented. or he reads a lot. You certainly can't learn that from the scripts alone :)
I love that penn set the record straight with joes intentions and that this wasn’t him self reflecting nor recognizing the things he’s done I’m SO glad he said that that he broke it down like that that he’s not spreading the notion that Joe is some sort of guise. God I rlly fucking love penn badgley
part 2 ate. it being split up was a disservice imo.
Best twist, very good season, one of the best
They better catch Joe the next season. How long is he gna get away with this bs
I agree!! Between the private investigator from Peach’s family and the Quinn family who now know that Joe is still alive, it’s only a matter of time before he eventually gets caught. Not to mention, Joe isn’t planning to stop killing people and Kate is only going to enable him by covering them up .
I'm hoping season 5 is all about getting what he deserves
Nigga killed like 8 ppl this season, literally his highest body count ever. Even though on the flipside, this is the only season where he only has sex with one woman, 🤔
I love this show but I was actually like excited for him to die. And let that be it.
@@bypugs I think the end was dark, and the next season is going to be an even darker mess, since he accepted the fact, that he is indeed not a good person. And now he has power and already said himself, killing did only get easier. Very interesting, people liked his character through the season, but maybe we're going to see his the series changing to an anti-joe tone with a final end for him.
Season 4 was the greatest season bro. I just finished it and all I can think about is how I need atleast 6 seasons!
this season was the best, wow so many twists i love u penn ur awesome and u play joe way too perfectly.
There’s so many things that we need to address in season 5: where are Delilah’s and Candace’s bodies? Didn’t Joe say in the last season Love never told him what she did w/ them? Where is Ellie? Will Marrienne seek revenge? I doubt the Conrads or Theo & Mathew are going to say anything considering Joe saved Theo and the Conrads probably don’t want shit to do w/ Joe. Where’s Henry ? With Joe’s new access to power and resources, I can only see another group of powerful people successfully fighting against him. . . Maybe the Quinn family or Peach’s family? Ugh idk. Someone needs to intervene!! Omg and poor Nadia . Her ending broke me 😩 I’m so glad people are finally realizing Joe is and has always been HORRIBLE.
I really liked s4 part 1 because I thought they were going for a reformed supervillain-type story: a man with an evil past determined to not go down that path again but meets someone (Rhys) who does a similar evil and forces him to become what he hates. That plot dynamic was fascinating to me. And they left on a perfect cliffhanger because the stage was set for Joe and Rhys' showdown - was Joe gonna overcome his evil nature or Rhys gonna drag him down to his level? I was so eager to see how they were gonna conclude it in the second half. But holy crap did they send me for a loop.
I have always stated, anytime Joe protects someone INCLUDING KIDS, it goes horribly bad. Paco, Ellie, Theo, and now Nadia have each had some messed up things happen to them because of Joe.
Nadia and Edward are not kids; they are students in college/university that will make them at least 19-20yo. Both of them acted foolish; trying to outsmart a serial criminal, completely ignoring Marienne's several warnings. When you play with fire you get burned. Simply as that.
Joe didn’t protect Nadia
And Nadia was a kid like underage like the rest. She’s an adult.
the biggest plot twist is that he didn't actually shave or cut his hair
i guess that was what they were saving the cgi budget for
What do you mean? Are you saying that scene at the end where he shaved and cut his hair is fake?
I'm glad he didn't😂
He looks like a Greek god
@@Nicryn he did
@@joshuabigelow3328 bruh
they REALLY need to bring back so many characters here in season 5. Theo, Ellie, Paco, DOCTOR NICKY?!?! Becks friends?!! i’m assuming he bought the book store he worked at, and being in NYC again he has to run into Becks friends and possibly even see Doctor Nicky in prison or something. I know Paco moved away but it would be cool to see a nod to his character at least. And come on… we need to wrap up things with Ellie. Where is she? Is she pissed? PLUS we have Loves parents?! they must be PISSSEEDDD finding out he’s alive. AND Marianne wants revenge. so much to explore and I hope they do any of these or all of them but i feel like that’s too much lol so a nice nod every now and again would be nice at least
See others perspective more really made me not take his side subconsciously. Made him scary
yes the emptiness was very terrifying and disturbing
I watched every episode twice! Loved it! ❤this is my favorite season ❤
Interviewer: "Was filming the underwater scene tough?"
Penn Badgley: *Goes to give a deep and poignant character analysis of Joe Goldberg*
Penn and Tati's performance was truly amazing. they are the core of season 4. the characters Rhys and Nadia a nugget. the other characters for me were useless and did not bring much. but the S4 remains for me the best
Fight club vibe for 2nd half of season 4
dang i wish he would’ve kept the beard tho 😭 it suits him so well !
Penn Badgley is the best one who could have performed Joe!
ngl when joe killed Rhys and then when he started imagining Rhys and then when we see the scenes of Joe kidnapping Marianne and being like “I’m not Joe”, i rlly thought Rhys hired someone to look put on a mask or smth to look like joe and himself
Love S4 Part2, shocking plot twist 🧐
Great ending! This is how I wish Dexter would have ended. With things working out for him!
Why does real life joe looks like he's still in character 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Please please bring Season 5😰
the way i saw it, when he hugged rhys after he told him he loves joe was him accepting and loving himself. from now on he is going to be killing for himself and loving himself. idk if this makes any sense but thats just how i saw it. acceptance and self love
Joe died in season 4 the one that got out of the water is Joe's dark side alter ego Rhys
Season 4 was good because it finally gave us the REAL perspective of what Joe really is… a lot of people don’t like it probably because they don’t want to accept the fact that at the end of the day joe is a psychopath that needs to go DOWN. I can’t wait for next season!!!
I feel so bad for Nadia!!
i hope ellie has kept tabs on joe & is planning to help nadia while also taking him out
High key hope we have another season
Idk about other people but i love Joe's character even more now that he has embraced his stone cold darkside and he can finally live up to his true potential
I’m definitely not trying to defend him at all because I’ve officially stopped “rooting” for him to change, but in a way …. He did TRY to fix this situation all on his own and if he hadn’t been rescued then his plan to save others would’ve succeeded in a way. He got a second chance but not to redeem himself anymore, but to be who he has always been-evil. Him framing Nadia was the saddest and twisted part of it all for me. I never would’ve expected that, but then again what do we expect from serial killers?
Bro looks like Bundy in prison wit da beard 💀
Rhys was matching Joe the first time we saw Rhys break into Joe’s apartment….and here you also appear to be matching with Joe’s sweater…🤔
So who is actually texting Joe? From the disappearing text app?
I don’t understand how him jumping off the bridge then switches to him being completely evil (w what happened to Nadia and Eddie). Like I thought he jumped off the bridge and lost his bad side and got to restart a lovely life w Kate… till we saw Nadia’s fate.
He merged with his bad side
it was the absinthe 🤦🏾♀️
Why didn’t Roald try to come after him in Part 2? Very unexplained.
Well he saves Roalds life and if I’m Roald I wanna stay as far away from the dude I tried hunting with a shotgun who turned out to save me lmao
I was confused watching season 4 can someone explain. Is Rhys real or does Joe have split personality???
To some degree I find Joe's dissociative identity a little bit of a rush thing not entirely because they have made a reference to this before with the first therapist in season 1 but I definitely wish they delved into it a little bit more throughout the other two seasons but I will say it is interesting that we will get to see the fully integrated Joe next season
I still think that he knew that kate was a lockwood and had planned this since the begining, i just think he didnt count on having a mental breakdown that delayed his plans. I think the jump from the bridge was planned and he knew that he was likely to be rescued and thats why his emergency contact was kate so she could see him as repented from all of the horrible things he did in the past.
Yeah sure, it was all great, but WHAT DID JOE SAY TO PHOEBE GODDAMMIT
IF a 5th season is created, I want to see Marianne be the hero. I really want Joe to finally be taken down once and for all, Joe has his dose of karmic justice brewing, and I believe it should be in the form of Marianne going after him and helping Nadia get proven innocent. I also would like to see Kate be brought down also, Roald wanted to be with her and she turns him down only to end up with Joe doing what Roald was trying to begin with is hypocritical on her part. Both need to be brought down, or turn against eachother, either way Joe needs to be stopped.
Maybe Joe will be taken down at some point but the message is about this type of "Joe" exist in the world everywhere. The season 3 ending with Joe walking out and blending in the crowd - a quite fitting reminisce and tribute to the ending of The Silence of The Lambs where Hannibal [Anthony Hopkins] walk nonchalantly stalking his prey.. -, only shows that we all prone to believing our own stories, as distorted from reality they might be. People don't believe in facts, they believe in what they want to believe. And that is what Joe knows very well.
Season 4 is the best Season because we finally see how unhinged he is and how not charismatic it is , I think as a viewer it makes us also ready for him to be taken down without thinking poor joe
I was so angry that Joe didn’t die and that they snuck in that sudden survival crap in the last 90 seconds. But given how much people love Joe, him dying might just evoke more viewer sympathy
To this day, i still CAN'T understand why people find Joe charming hahaha
I love seeing Penn Badgley hating it tho
Honesty I’m questioning the reality of season 3. Was Love all that evil?
From an objective point of view, has joe made the world a better place?
This is the transition where we don't root for the serial killer anymore. Ngl it started for me in S3 but really cemented it here. He's just full blown evil now--incapable of good.
Mariane did it great ❤
Ever since season 3 his character has been soooo incoherent, it's gotten incredibly annoying.
What happened to the writers????
Why does Kate accept him????? It doesn’t add up!
Because she is like him. Similar to Love (season 2-3); only Kate is more cunning, very sharp and collected and way smarter. She [Kate] will end up in the box where it all started for Joe when he was a kid; in the basement of the old library he bought with no other than Kate's her own money.. It will be quite fitting her money will be her own demise as a payback for the suffering she caused in the past. We all pay the dues sooner or later. Or someone we love will.
No more british theme in Season 5 please. It was the main reason some people think Season 4 was bad.
eat the rich!
Goldberg
Ellie (Jenna Ortega) is gonna take him down
I was one of those fans that lived in anticipation till this season came out and unfortunately im really disappointed. The second half of the season, I turned it off in the middle of the first episode.
Rhys illusions was boring, all the characters was boring. The so called twists didn’t move me it was by far the worst season. I’m sat so disappointed in the whole season felt pointlesd
Season 4 🤢🤮
Joe from S1-S3 is no longer with us after the fall in S4 Pt2.
Why people think Joe is cold blooded when he spared Love after announcing she was pregnant?!
Didn't off his landlady sister and felt horrible about causing Mari to "lose custody".
Nadia had it coming, she could've called the cops and chose to over complicate things (Mari too) and got what she deserved (Heck take a picture like you tried in the finale or a video.
Personally only thing I think was wrong is Mari survived and Nadia should've been ended instead of her boyfriend but it did get the message that Joe has no more goodness left in him (Hence the reflection scene, the doc mentioning he DID die but was brought back, and the look he gives is like Pride rather than Remorse.
Very Dissappointing Ending.
Was hardly a "twist" could see that shit coming from the very first episode. Such lazy and boring writing, can't think of any ideas that are even remotely original