I've just bought a 13t motor that looks suspiciously like the goolrc from ebay here in the uk. I used the water break in method before fitting it into my Tamiya dt-03 racing fighter with the standard 17 tooth motor gear and the hobbywing 1060 esc. It was so much fasrer than the Tamiya torque tuned motor. I was genuinely surprised and impressed by it. It's the best £11 I've spent on rc parts. When I did the water break in the amount of carbon in the water was incredible. I could hardly see the motor!! I changed the water a couple of more times to make sure it was all clean,then I dried it thoroughly, oiled the bearings and it was good to go. 👍
Interesting video, full of stats. One thing not mentioned, but is of great importance, is that looking at the wind of a 540 to that of a 550 type motor, there is a major difference in the size of the armature, thus a 21T 550 is only equivalent to a stock 27T 540. A 15T 550 is roughly equivalent to a 21T 540, from memory. Thus you cannot compare 540s directly with 550s. You should always check the specs of each type if considering buying a 550 in preference to a 540. And, as usual, the massive difference in price between the US and other side of the pond....
Nice motor test, i just bought the 1060 clone and 13T brushed motor combo, but it´s named Surpass Hobby instead, i bet it´s the same motor and even some of the HackMoto ones are exactly the same as the surpass/goolrc ones, i did meassure and even put them on the scale and even the weight is exactly same on them. Everything on them looks and feels the same.
Interesting, that GoolRC is impressive, makes me want to check other 13t motors and see how they compare. I have a Surpass and a Hackmoto 13t both of which are fairly new and still available I believe they are also rebuildable/adjustable. It looks like the Hackmoto comes in Modified or Stock as well. I do generally feel the motors over 25,000 rpm are to fast for my little track and rough on the tamiya's plastic parts, so I don't run them much. I did a similar comparison for my own use a while back... I did straight rpm with no load and used the same esc and NiMH 7.2v battery for each motor. Some of them are the same as you've tested. I found the 15t Mr Buggy motors to be the best value, costing between $10 and $15 and running at 22,200 RPM, I ran three different Mr Buggy 15t motors and they all performed similarly. I have a bunch of them running in a variety of vehicles and so far they are holding up well. I have a handful of other motors I haven't gotten around to testing as they are in vehicles and I was to lazy to remove them. Anyway here's what I found- Tamiya motors- Silver can- 17,400 Torque tuned 19,000 Sport tuned 20,500 Others- Hackmoto 23t- 17,500 Red Spider 23t- 19,000 Mr Buggy 15t- 22,200 550's Globact 12T- 20,280 Redcat 21t?- 17,600 Injora 12T- 21,000 Traxxas Titan 12T- 22,500
Yeah racing rebuildable 13t 540 is a monster. Its fast as a brushless. But I think its best to stick with lighter cars or be careful with the gearing. Havent tried reedy tho 🙂
@@lastpally I've never heard of a stock 27 getting 23k rpm unless it's cranked up to 11 or 12 volts, I have found some that claim 28-30k on 24 volts but that doesn't seem very useful for this application. If you've got one or a part number I'd love to see it.
@@GandJPrints Trinity CO27, Monster Horsepower, Binary, green machine 3. I have a few Team Orion Cores that’s hit 21k at 5volt. At 7.2 they’re in the 30k range and a high end modified is in the 35-45k range.
The best new rebuildable motor you can buy is the Tamiya super stock series (rz,tz,bz). They’re manufactured by Sagami in Japan. Sagami made motors for Orion, reedy, yokomo, and others back in the day.
I tried the reedy radon motor. It's kinda junk and those other motors are even worse. Best bet is getting an old trinity speed gems or stock 27 turn motor like a p2k or a reedy spec 19. They are rebuildable and will blow away any of your test motors. Unfortunately the days of high quality brushed motors are over.
I was looking into getting a brush motor for Tenth scale truggy and want a motor that I can get he most speed out of . Do you have a suggestion of motors and brands. I appreciate you . Tha you
@ken_tx I've won races with a Trinity Monster 2 pro time and time again against 21 turn brushless.class. I've had race tracks tell me flat out I'm going to loose and I end up placing top 4. I have 1st place placards on the wall I've won with Monster . Pros. Just have to know how to drive....
What is it the best choice for specifically? Personally I hate the sport tuned and standard silver can, waaaay to slow for anyone with a car licence, I have a couple in my vintage stuff or shelf queens, but anything I run they are junked for something between 13T and 21T ideally.
Great comparison! Love the charts…I saved those. Was there a reason you didn’t include the Traxxas 12T motor, and how do you think it would stack up against the others? But otherwise, fantastic video…short, informative and straight to the point!
@@RCsRCCars Thanks! I have a whole box of Titan 12T motors after upgrading so many to brushless. But considering leaving my Kyosho Fazer stock brushed just so I don’t wear it’s expensive tires out too soon. With my ESS One sound module, it looks so cool just cruising by. 😀
I guessed right 🙂 pretty sure goolrc and yeah racing are the same motors. It feels like a brushless in Tamiya cars. Should be interesting to see with optimised gearing and motor temperatures 😊 you plan to run outside?
That Reedy isn't bad either and Tamiya must have their motors pretty dialed in to get numbers better than the cheap lower turn motors... That 15t Dynamite is fairly pathetic...
The motor 550 of my wltoys 144001 died, so i have to buy a new one, so, should i buy one of these better ones or should i keep the stock model for the 144001?
Unloaded wheel rpm is not a real world comparison. Under load if that fastest motor doesn't have the power and tq then it will just slow way down under the load of the car. Meanwhile if the lower speed motor can keep that same rpm under load it may actually be faster when actual speed running then the higher rpm unloaded motor.
I just installed a hackamoto 13t which looks identical to the goolrc 13t I have mine paired with a 1060hw and run 2 and 3s and it's fast as it needs to be
You should see my holiday buggy run with you're making it sound like you're talking about retarding the timing what you can do also on one of those motors.
Yes it will, brushed motors are more sensitive to over gearing then brushless motors so you'll likely burn the motor running it for too long without cooling it down, it might also desolder itself from whatever you are powering it with, be it an esc or soldered to a battery plug directly.
I have the hackmoto 13T v2 in my TT-02B with 70T spur and 24T pinion gear. Can some one let me know if that is good setup? I have not bin able to find out what recomened ratio is for that motor.
Les moteurs 550 ont beaucoup plus de couple que les 540, donc pour en profiter il faut changer le pignon moteur, voir la couronne. Sinon ça sert a rien, un moteur 550 12T avec les bon pignon fera aller la RC bien plus vite qu'avec un 540. Il l'on bien compris chez traxxas, c'est pour ça que le brushless n'est pas installé sur toute leur RC.
Conclusão: quanto mais T o motor tem, mais rápido ele vai ser, porém vai esquentar mais e vai ter uma aceleração menor, é uma boa tática para deixar um crawler mais rápido, por exemplo, digamos que o motor original do traxxas trx4 tem 35 T, ele vai ter torque, mas não velocidade, e caso eu queria deixá-lo mais rápido, basta colocar um motor do mesmo tamanho, mas com menos T, por exemplo um motor 550 10T da INJORA, bom vídeo, vai me ajudar muito!
I've just bought a 13t motor that looks suspiciously like the goolrc from ebay here in the uk.
I used the water break in method before fitting it into my Tamiya dt-03 racing fighter with the standard 17 tooth motor gear and the hobbywing 1060 esc. It was so much fasrer than the Tamiya torque tuned motor. I was genuinely surprised and impressed by it. It's the best £11 I've spent on rc parts.
When I did the water break in the amount of carbon in the water was incredible. I could hardly see the motor!! I changed the water a couple of more times to make sure it was all clean,then I dried it thoroughly, oiled the bearings and it was good to go. 👍
Interesting video, full of stats. One thing not mentioned, but is of great importance, is that looking at the wind of a 540 to that of a 550 type motor, there is a major difference in the size of the armature, thus a 21T 550 is only equivalent to a stock 27T 540. A 15T 550 is roughly equivalent to a 21T 540, from memory. Thus you cannot compare 540s directly with 550s. You should always check the specs of each type if considering buying a 550 in preference to a 540. And, as usual, the massive difference in price between the US and other side of the pond....
Nice motor test, i just bought the 1060 clone and 13T brushed motor combo, but it´s named Surpass Hobby instead, i bet it´s the same motor and even some of the HackMoto ones are exactly the same as the surpass/goolrc ones, i did meassure and even put them on the scale and even the weight is exactly same on them. Everything on them looks and feels the same.
Interesting, that GoolRC is impressive, makes me want to check other 13t motors and see how they compare. I have a Surpass and a Hackmoto 13t both of which are fairly new and still available I believe they are also rebuildable/adjustable. It looks like the Hackmoto comes in Modified or Stock as well. I do generally feel the motors over 25,000 rpm are to fast for my little track and rough on the tamiya's plastic parts, so I don't run them much.
I did a similar comparison for my own use a while back... I did straight rpm with no load and used the same esc and NiMH 7.2v battery for each motor. Some of them are the same as you've tested. I found the 15t Mr Buggy motors to be the best value, costing between $10 and $15 and running at 22,200 RPM, I ran three different Mr Buggy 15t motors and they all performed similarly. I have a bunch of them running in a variety of vehicles and so far they are holding up well. I have a handful of other motors I haven't gotten around to testing as they are in vehicles and I was to lazy to remove them. Anyway here's what I found-
Tamiya motors-
Silver can- 17,400
Torque tuned 19,000
Sport tuned 20,500
Others-
Hackmoto 23t- 17,500
Red Spider 23t- 19,000
Mr Buggy 15t- 22,200
550's
Globact 12T- 20,280
Redcat 21t?- 17,600
Injora 12T- 21,000
Traxxas Titan 12T- 22,500
Yeah racing rebuildable 13t 540 is a monster. Its fast as a brushless. But I think its best to stick with lighter cars or be careful with the gearing. Havent tried reedy tho 🙂
@@GandJPrints Kinda not impressive considering old stock 27t brushed motor were pushing 23k at 5 volts.
@@lastpally I've never heard of a stock 27 getting 23k rpm unless it's cranked up to 11 or 12 volts, I have found some that claim 28-30k on 24 volts but that doesn't seem very useful for this application. If you've got one or a part number I'd love to see it.
@@GandJPrints Trinity CO27, Monster Horsepower, Binary, green machine 3. I have a few Team Orion Cores that’s hit 21k at 5volt. At 7.2 they’re in the 30k range and a high end modified is in the 35-45k range.
The best new rebuildable motor you can buy is the Tamiya super stock series (rz,tz,bz). They’re manufactured by Sagami in Japan. Sagami made motors for Orion, reedy, yokomo, and others back in the day.
I tried the reedy radon motor. It's kinda junk and those other motors are even worse. Best bet is getting an old trinity speed gems or stock 27 turn motor like a p2k or a reedy spec 19. They are rebuildable and will blow away any of your test motors. Unfortunately the days of high quality brushed motors are over.
I was looking into getting a brush motor for Tenth scale truggy and want a motor that I can get he most speed out of . Do you have a suggestion of motors and brands. I appreciate you . Tha you
@@kidfrankie7536if you want brand new and commonly available. Tamiya super stock 23t. For off road look at the BZ. High quality and built in Japan.
Trinity or Peak oldschool motors.
@@kidfrankie7536 Hobbywing EZrun, unless you’re racing a car at a local track with restrictions there’s zero reason to buy brushed motors anymore.
@ken_tx I've won races with a Trinity Monster 2 pro time and time again against 21 turn brushless.class. I've had race tracks tell me flat out I'm going to loose and I end up placing top 4. I have 1st place placards on the wall I've won with Monster . Pros. Just have to know how to drive....
Great video how about the Titan 12-T
Tamiya Sport Tuned is the best choice out of those. But there are more good and better options out there. And it's not always about rpm only.
What is it the best choice for specifically? Personally I hate the sport tuned and standard silver can, waaaay to slow for anyone with a car licence, I have a couple in my vintage stuff or shelf queens, but anything I run they are junked for something between 13T and 21T ideally.
Great comparison! Love the charts…I saved those. Was there a reason you didn’t include the Traxxas 12T motor, and how do you think it would stack up against the others? But otherwise, fantastic video…short, informative and straight to the point!
I'm sure the Traxxas 12T motor would be a fine choice. I used motors that I had already purchased in the past.
@@RCsRCCars Thanks! I have a whole box of Titan 12T motors after upgrading so many to brushless. But considering leaving my Kyosho Fazer stock brushed just so I don’t wear it’s expensive tires out too soon. With my ESS One sound module, it looks so cool just cruising by. 😀
Hi can I use the cabels of tamiya 540 stock motor to go on tamiya sport turned motor
Are any of these sensored ornsensorless motors?
Can use stock controller?
I guessed right 🙂 pretty sure goolrc and yeah racing are the same motors. It feels like a brushless in Tamiya cars. Should be interesting to see with optimised gearing and motor temperatures 😊 you plan to run outside?
That Reedy isn't bad either and Tamiya must have their motors pretty dialed in to get numbers better than the cheap lower turn motors... That 15t Dynamite is fairly pathetic...
@@GandJPrints Tamiya is the way to go when using brushed. The super stock motors are great 👍
The motor 550 of my wltoys 144001 died, so i have to buy a new one, so, should i buy one of these better ones or should i keep the stock model for the 144001?
Unloaded wheel rpm is not a real world comparison. Under load if that fastest motor doesn't have the power and tq then it will just slow way down under the load of the car. Meanwhile if the lower speed motor can keep that same rpm under load it may actually be faster when actual speed running then the higher rpm unloaded motor.
Woulda been neat to see the traxxas titan 12t in this
I just installed a hackamoto 13t which looks identical to the goolrc 13t
I have mine paired with a 1060hw and run 2 and 3s and it's fast as it needs to be
Im confused because that esc is rated for 18t and up so how is it not burning up with a 13t?
Good Comparison. Does seem like the Hackmoto 21t is more suitable for other applications like a Crawler ( I have a Holmes Hobbies 21t).
Absolutely but I didn't expect it to be that slow. The torque must be out of this world.
does 13.5 work?
Hi what ones can run on 3s please
correction, the G14L is a 14T is it not? hence the name.
hackmoto motor is just rebranded now, got mine lebeled apex rc. it burnt up on the first run.
I have a reedy 17 turn radon what would it speed be with the timing all the way?
That's hard to say but I'd speculate it would be 10% to 20% slower.
@@RCsRCCars well advance timing speeds up the armature.
You should see my holiday buggy run with you're making it sound like you're talking about retarding the timing what you can do also on one of those motors.
Hi can I use a brushed motor with out a gearbox or a spur gear on flat ground will it effect the brushed motor
Yes it will, brushed motors are more sensitive to over gearing then brushless motors so you'll likely burn the motor running it for too long without cooling it down, it might also desolder itself from whatever you are powering it with, be it an esc or soldered to a battery plug directly.
@@Mini-z1994 will using a brushless motor be way better with out spur gear or gearbox
@@Mini-z1994 will using a gear reducer gearbox help the motor from burning out
I have the hackmoto 13T v2 in my TT-02B with 70T spur and 24T pinion gear. Can some one let me know if that is good setup? I have not bin able to find out what recomened ratio is for that motor.
Great video
Are any of these compatible with the TT02 Mustang
I believe, since the chassis is the same (TT02?), they are fully compatible.
Looks like you forgot to add a fast motor to the mix.
Les moteurs 550 ont beaucoup plus de couple que les 540, donc pour en profiter il faut changer le pignon moteur, voir la couronne. Sinon ça sert a rien, un moteur 550 12T avec les bon pignon fera aller la RC bien plus vite qu'avec un 540. Il l'on bien compris chez traxxas, c'est pour ça que le brushless n'est pas installé sur toute leur RC.
Conclusão: quanto mais T o motor tem, mais rápido ele vai ser, porém vai esquentar mais e vai ter uma aceleração menor, é uma boa tática para deixar um crawler mais rápido, por exemplo, digamos que o motor original do traxxas trx4 tem 35 T, ele vai ter torque, mas não velocidade, e caso eu queria deixá-lo mais rápido, basta colocar um motor do mesmo tamanho, mas com menos T, por exemplo um motor 550 10T da INJORA, bom vídeo, vai me ajudar muito!