Don’t buy these ‘Cheap’ Tamiya Sport Tuned Motors!
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- I bought this Tamiya Sport Tuned, Is it Fake? I put it up against a Genuine Black Can Sport Tuned and the New 2019 Silver Can Sport Tuned. How does it perform?
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Doesn't matter what product it is, buying counterfeit goods simply means supporting/feeding counterfeiting. ;)
I'm currently building a tt02sr. I saw a china seller selling it for 1/2 the price online. Fortunate for me your video popped up and saved me from being scammed. Tq sir.
You're Welcome
Wow good test. Nice to know. Maybe this is was a factor in why Tamiya chose to update the ST motor to silver to make all the fakes look out of date.
Could well be...
Love these data style vids, really useful information
Thanks mate 👍🏻
Interesting, So safe to say the Chinese knock-off is a standard 540 wearing makeup. 😂. Thanks for sharing your detailed comparison. 👍
Yes lol...
Great video, very interesting. Looking forward to the genuine sport tuned motor test. 🤔
Thank you
Nice one Phil, just goes to show that in general, you get what you pay for. Good to show how much faster the proper Sport Tuned motors spin - my TT-02D with the Sport Tuned goes about 4mph faster than a TT-02 with the standard can - so the difference in revs definitely pays off in practice! It'll be interesting to see what your motors do in the next test. All the best, mate! :)
Thanks Mark. I really like doing these tests. Speed runs and motor upgrades is what really started my channel off...so its been nice getting back in to it. I secretly took the Capri out the front of the house on a 3s with the Genuine Black Can last night (without the body on)... very impressed!
@@TomleyRC Yeah, I'm sure lots of fans, including me, find these tests really interesting and useful - I bet that Black Can went well on 3s! :)
Genuine sport tuned is literally 5 quid in Japan.
Probably a good argument for it being a dressed up 27T.
I think if you want a cheap brushed motor though, you're better off with those cheap rebuildable ones anyway. They cost less than the fake and you can choose the wind you want.
YUP !! mentioned "Atomik" in my longish comment because they are pretty good bang for the buck end bell motors. really good motors with adjustable brush timing are usually about twice the price, but completely and easily rebuildable with whatever magnets armature and brushes you like.
Fun fact: I have a Sport Tuned „made in China” bought in and owned since the 1990s! It’s rotor has the same colour as the one you show but no vent blades. For 25 years I wondered why my silver cans were at least as fast as it😂
I have another one bought at the same local shop back in the days. Have to check if it’s a China model too.
Good video, thanks
Thanks bro. This is good information.
I've been in the Hobby since 1984..... This was ENLIGHTENING!! 😲
I know most Korean/Chinese Knockoff products are CRAP...
But that showed me a few things.
That Chinese "Sport Tuned" Motor has GOT to be a standard 27T - with maybe some Timing added...
(Test it in reverse, and see if it's slower)
I'm CERTAIN it wouldn't be as durable as the Johnson 540!
"Genuine" Tamiya Sport Tuned Motors have always been 23T. They have 12 degrees of Advanced Timing (hence the direction arrow), it WILL run slower in Reverse.
I reckon that the newer Silver Sport Tuned Motor has better quality Magnets than the original.
And I SURE wouldn't trust the Brush quality on the COPY!! 😲
Thanks! Great comparison.
Carmine ✈🚂🚙
Some good info there mate cheers. I am testing the 2 Genuine ones tomorrow. So might see if the copy will take a 3s!
Cheers! You should also reverse the polarity on all 3, and measure RPM.
The two Gennies should spin slower in Reverse if they both have advanced Timing...
I truly believe that the Clone will have no difference in speed, because it's simply a Painted, relabelled bog standard Silver Can Motor!!! 😲😖😠
That's what your initial testing revealed to me.
Look forward to seeing your results!! 👍👍
Oh that was very interesting and a little bit nerdy. I love it! Just shows that you have to be careful what you buy. It's a shame that the official Tamiya Sport Tuned isn't black now. Look forward to seeing how the official ones do. The new speed widget does give the opportunity to really analyse the differences which is great. Nice one Phil 😁
Thanks Pete... yes, I was surprised when it arrived. The actual picture on the Japanese website was of the old black can. Testing them tomorrow hopefully
I just emailed a seller on ebay that I suspect their Sport Tuned motors are counterfeit I knew it!
I’ve just realized , these Motors aren’t what i was thinking of, Do you remember the Technigold ?
Yes, Technigold was a good motor back in the day!
Tomley RC I might have one in an old relic in my parents house loft . I’ll have to look for it.
@@mark-1rc502 did you find anything?
ツHarvmoid to be fair they are currently cupped up at home mother is a high risk category for the dreaded virus so we as in my family have kept our distance but I will look for it, I definitely have some old Tamiya cars , I’m sure I had this motor in my old escort mitchelin
@@mark-1rc502 covid is still on but did you find anything/look?
Both the fake one and the genuine one are not good performance-wise. There are much better 540 alternatives out there nowadays.
Great video thanks! I’ll be careful buying another sport tuned (or gt tuned) motor.
Awesome video
The fake certainly sounded faster . However it failed quickly on the old rpm test didn't it haha . Interesting video mate and always enjoy seeing that Capri in action 👍
I thought it was going to die after the first RPM test... but it surprisingly the following day it was good for a speed run
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very2 good frend👌
Bro i might be a bit late to this but Y tf do u not show the radio on the fake sport tuned rpm test??? bro that doesnt seem legit.
Thanks for the great content!
I've got one in my RC hoard. Didn't realize it was a fake; it was advertised as Genuine Tamiya.
I'll shop more carefully in the future!
No probs dude
I recently built a TT02B and tried the included "Torque Tuned" motor. Slowest RC I've ever driven.
Tamiya's have never been built for top speed
That was great, top work! Also that Capri sounds as good as it looks, which is saying something... 👍😁
Thanks mate. I love that Capri!
Thank you for comparison test...
Fake sport tuned is obviously the same motor as your stock silvercan (540-J / 7435044)
Yeah, seems that way
your first mistake was buying tamiya crap.
Why don't you show us that you are pulling at full throttle. You show that you pulled fully on all the other test. But you take the remote out of view for the knock off. Your whole test is flawed as what's the reason for removing controller out of view?
I hadn’t even noticed I’d taken it out of shot. Feel free to buy one of the fake ones and see for yourself it’s the same speed as a basic silver can. I have nothing to hide, and nothing really to gain from making this video…. Tamiya didn’t pay me to do it 😅
Great video and great comparison. Good to see the difference as I know what little things to look for when buying a genuine tamiya sport tuned motor. I have a ton of those 'knock off' motors in my parts bin from several ebay lots I bought awhile ago. 1 thing I noticed with them (or at least from my experience) is when the knock off version gets pushed too hard that plastic fan just explodes inside the motor. Then again my motors might be a knock off of the knock off 😄😄
Well this one is certainly going to get pushed to destruction... I feel obliged to do so lol
Would like to see a comparison video between a standard silver can, a sport tuned and a torque tuned motor. Nice work, dude!
Very interesting and will save us wasting cash on poor clones, without you spending the time for us I may have bought one of those and wasted my money, more videos like this would be great.
You're welcome. I like testing stuff..and I like helping others see what is good...and bad
In RC hobby, many parts are manufactured in China. The difference, however, is if those parts are produced in OFFICIAL factories or not.
Another good video.
I'd watch that Jager even if it was running a WPL 130 motor...
Future video suggestion - silver can dry break in vs water break in. Then add some CRC 2.26 to the comm and see what it does ;)
I'm not sure water break ins are needed anymore... but would be worth a try. I have got 3 types of Silver Can from various yrs. Maybe worth putting them on the bench to test.
Thanks pal, got my old Astute out the loft and wanted to get it moving again but had no clue about the new tec 👍🇬🇧
The Astute is a classic… 😎👌
Great video mate very interesting!
The fake is just a nicely dressed up basic silver can then! Looks nice though and could be ok for a display motor in shelf queens but l will be sticking to genuine tamiya gear😉👍
Yes if you can get it cheap enough, but it depends if you want to stay loyal to Tamiya!
@@TomleyRC Tamiya all the way man😉👍
Great stuff! Cheers.
What's the orange truck in the background?
FG Modellsport. New video coming soon
Great video!
I was wondering about these motors and almost bought one but was sus.
Good job exposing 👍
Great video comparison Phil.
Now let's compare the MFA RX15+ with a Tamiya technigold motor.
That would be a good one
Awesome
Hi Phil. Im soooo confused. My Wraith Spawn stock motor is 21T, and 2-3 lipo capable esc.
My stock motor went bad, put in a legit Tamiya ( japan) Sport tuned RS540. Want to run 3s , but pkg. says input voltage max 8.4 volts..🤔.
So, stock oem says ok on 3s, but seems like tamiya limits battery voltage to 7.4 v or 2s battery.
I want to run 3s in it.
Traxxas sells 550 can shielded 21T motor which is 14.4 volts input voltage..😵💫.
Really confused.
I've as much nostalgia for Tamiya as any forty-something, but I have no idea why you would by any of these 'hot' Tamiya 540's when any old cheap brushless with smoke them. Am I missing something other than nostalgia/authenticity?
So the knock off is a silver can painted black.... that would explain the little extra torque.. black is proven to add torque just like a metal ring around the can. Thank you for your video and time.
To the genuine you only pay for the NAME .. thats the truth😆
hahahah yeah... the truth!
nice basic RPM bench test, another is a 1" arm on the output shaft to see how many inch lbs (or oz) the motor magnets offer in resistance to turning. free spin RPM means little if it runs out of torque under load, all it'll do is heat up more. on the other hand, for less than the price of a Tamiya motor, you can get all kinds of nice spec motors, like an Atomik 19d (19 turn double wound) with strong magnets, replaceable brush end bell etc. that's decently high rpm and strong on torque. good motor choice always depends on what type of vehicle you're powering, really high rpm with a much smaller pinion can give smooth response and great acceleration, same config with a larger pinion can heat up and drain a battery pack quicker... stuff you learn if you've done a few years of more serious RC racing, like a 4 minute race with your battery being spent at 5 minutes (1200mah Sony SCR NiCad days!), you were pretty close to being dialed in.
Yes, just a basic test...but functional. Certainly needs a test on the road(on load) to really test it.
Fake sport has a plus, it has a fan inside.
But with most of my builds I try putting a heatshrink or fan to it.
I just ordered a sport tuned 370. Do you think that ebay is spamming us with fake ones of those as well? Great video BTW.
Wow pure garbage. I wish Tamiya was more readily available here in the US.
Thanks for this data, it's really good to see the difference.
id be interested to see the genuine sport tuned vs the stock motor from a traxxas XL5 car
You're basically buying a silver can when you buy the cheapo sport tuned motors.
if you want sport tuned fast at pennies on the pound get a mabuchi rs540 sh 7520 from hobbyking
Great work to show us bro, amazing!! Very interesting, the fake could be the top dog?! Maybe, Let's see the next video bro! I'm really surprised about it! Now I must to think, who can brings me things to do better my hobby! Epic video! Have a great weekend bro!! Thanks for share..
Thanks dude. Not sure it'll be the top dog... the Genuine Sport Tuned are pretty fast!
If its stamped made in china probably cheap crap.
I miss when you would see made in USA or Germany and you knew it would out perform.
Nice.... Exactly what I was expecting.... Can't wait for part 2....!
Yes, I'm looking forward to running the 2 Genuine ones together
I've seen this before, anyone else remember the fake sunysky motors for drones? If a "good" motor is cheap, its usually becuase its a counterfeit.
@TomleyRC Today Ireceived a Torque Tuned motor from Tamico and it came on a plastic bag. No box, no boxart, no instructions. Made in China stamped on the side. Now I think it may be fake. But straight from Tamico???
I'd say it was genuine fro Tamico. Maybe they take it out the box to ship it easier
This is why I watch your show bro I hate junk that isn’t the real product,copy it cheap is all they do, Grandpa said buy the best only cried 1 time,
Thanks for sharing,, interesting to see,, I seen some Holmes Hobbies motors? on the AliExpress. Looking forward to 👍👍💯 NC MOUNTAINS 🏞😄
Yes, I bought a HH Trailmaster from Aliexpress and I'm pretty sure it's a genuine one. Came in the original packing with a couple of HH stickers
oh my. i recently bought that cheap sports tuned motor at $9 only. my gear ratio is 7:1. firstly after i got that motor, i calculate using rc speed calculator app, the standard silver can motor at 16300rpm using 8.4v can go 28.xx kmh. and for the sport tuned at 21000rpm using same 8.4v, the speed shows 36.xx kmh. after that, i also try speed run both motor, the gps show silver can motor speed 28kmh and my cheap sports tuned motor speed is 35kmh. my speed run results are nearly identical with result from the rc speed calculator apps. i dont know the exact rpm produced from both motor. but from the apps calculation and gps speed run results, the speed improved. i think my cheap sports tuned motor really produce 21000 rpm.
The one problem I have with my black sport tuned is that the brakes are absolutely awful
For the money like half the price of a genuine the fake motors or not too bad I run them in a couple of my cars & i also run genuine there is not much difference.
between the two.
I suppose it comes down to if you want to pay the extra just to have genuine.
Another interesting video. Great work!
👍😎👍
Thank you
so the Chinese copy has internal cooling fan whereas the original dc motor lacks one??? Do people know how cheap these fans are to install and how effective they are at extending motor life?
I run BZ superstock instead of sport tuned. Don't have to worry about copies.
Nice motor
I got a counterfeit castle 5700kv off eBay it was actually a beast but didn't live long my new ones real huge difference in the two even though supposed to be same motor gotta love China and ebay
You gotta be careful where you buy from, lots of counterfeits about
Nice BRABUS ForFour in the background
I put a 540 12T one of these in my midnight pumpkin lowrider, it was black & idt i had that box
It stripped the gearbox. Im scared to put a big motor back in i don't want to strip gearbox again but i want more power
for half the price its still a good deal, IF you dont care about top speed
Why didn’t you show the controller in the video when you did the fake motor? Sounds like it wasn’t even at top speed yet 🤔
No reason...but I can assure you it was Full Throttle 😎
Nice looking car, I had a Tamiya tt-01 Lamborghini with a big Clock sticker over the Bonnet, I found it irritating every time I turned the back did a 180. I no longer have it . But I do like the detail of their pre built body’s . I don’t have patience for stickers and spraying.
Yes, some good details, but I agree... stickers can be frustrating!
Tomley RC 🤯🤬🤬
the jap one is 23T the one made in malaysia is 27T...... check out tamiyalegends channel.... my mate glenn :D
Glenn has a good channel. Been following his speed runs form a while now.
That china one looks like drill motor
Thanks for presentation / video. It reminds me of a purchase from China I did some years ago. I thought I bought a Futaba servo, but upon receipt I realized that it was not, the "Futaba" label had wrong colors as well as the mold / shape of the servo house was not correct. It did not work properly either...
Yes, so often we get 'scammed'.... todays video takes care of this motor once and fo all!
good way to find a cheap silver can replacement nothing more lol
Phil, on some of these they even mispelled the word rotation, they spelled it rontation. LOL!
You are only playing with kids toys mate I've used these motors they are grand
That was a really good comparison, I have the black sport tuned motors and really like them . I bought a new silver sport tuned that I put in a shelf queen that I haven’t run yet . Looks like I might have to pull it out and use it .
Thanks Eric. Hoping to get the genuine ones out today for a side by side run
thanks for the heads up great mate
No worries mate
Great vid Pal. I stupidly bought one and it was a little faster than stock, but burnt out after a good 10 mins of flat out driving.
Yeah, this took some abuse, but it’s no different to a cheap stock 540
Really interesting. The crafty so and so’s.. How many people have fallen into that trap??
Well hopefully not many more will!
I wouldn't mind it if it didn't claim to be a genuine Tamiya. Would be fine if it was just sold as their own brand 540 stock motor. Too bad they had to try to cheat.
TIL people still buy Tamiya motors.
I bought one of those cheap ones and it burned on the first run using 2s lipo battery.
The new Tamiya sport tuned motor is not good anymore as mine burnt out in a week of drifting
Was the thumbnail supposed to be a parody of that look at this graph meme? lol
As much as I love Tamika,there dated products
u get that sexi scorpion going yet? i love kyoshos repro models theyre amazing your gonna love it (sorry not really relevent to this video tho)
Just waiting on paint. Motor and ESC are here ready to fit .
@@TomleyRC badass your gonna love it i had the regular repro scorpion and the 2014 scorpion beetle theyre so nastolgically awesome
Don't get y u would get one of these over another brand there quite expensive considering there is no BB or adjustable timing
The fake motor is just total crap compared to the genuine motors
Nice video 👍
Thanks 👍
Yeah I agree mate I’d definitely say it was a fake one..
Certainly was!
Genuine Sport Tuned u can buy at RC Mart for $ 15.90
Great test rig btw :)
Yes... if they have them in stock ;)
Looks to me, the knockoff would preform better.
I'm only half through... we'll see.
Nope... you were way, way off dude.
Nice perform mate👍 Thx for sharing🎥
Thanks mate
I recently ordered one of those cheep Chinese Sport Tuned motors. I didn’t think anyone was going to do a comparison. I thought I’d have to do it myself. I wish that I would have seen your video before I ordered. Could have saved me some time and money. I use to get genuine Sport Tuned motors from Amazon for around $18 with free shipping a few years ago. Nowadays they are $24 + $3 shipping so I thought I’d shop around. Seems like the price has increased as of late. I’ll have to get one of those new silver ones. At least I stocked a couple of genuine black motors back when they were cheaper.
Yes, the price has certainly gone up recently. I think the Torque Tuned is still a reasonable price.
Never had a problem with mine had em in my boats and all
Sounds like you came off the throttle a bit.
They do have some good stuff on Aliexpress, but I wouldn’t buy Tamyia RC parts. They’ve got knock off Star Wars black series figures, I got ripped on EBay with one.
Great vid this nice one👌 when will you be speed running the sport tuned black and silver against each other? Be really intrested in that test as im thinking about getting the new silver sport tuned i have heard rumours they are a little quicker👍
Hopefully testing/recording tomorrow 👍🏻
@@TomleyRC nice 1 look forward to that👌👍
I think I probably have fake one. The box looks genuine but I think it's from the new silver can version. The magnets feel stronger than the standard silver can. And sounds like it revs higher by ear. It cost $40 AUD which is the same as a real one. 🤦🏻
Extra info: bought from a RC store from eBay.
Also the front bearing size is smaller on the fake and has a different shaped housing
Its not smaller its just the can is different because its a johnson, real sport tuned is a mabuchi
I know this is an old video but Im getting back into Tamiya. My first kit in the 80s was the Clod Buster. Thank you for your review. Its very helpful. I just ordered Tt02 drift kit.