2014 Ford Raptor 6.2L vs F-250 6.2L Mashup Ike Gauntlet Towing Test ( Part 2)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- ( www.TFLtruck.com ) The 2014 Ford SVT Raptor does not directly compete against the Ford F-250. But in this case both trucks have one significant thing in common...they both come equipped with the same Ford 6.2L engine. In fact the Raptor's 6.2L V8 is tuned with a few more ponies from the factory. So how do these two different trucks with the same engine compare when it comes to towing. We decide to find out by taking both trucks up the TFLtruck Ike Gauntlet Mega towing torture test in classic mashup review.
In part 2 the 2014 Ford Raptor 6.2L takes on the Ike Gauntlet
The Ike Gauntlet is a timed run up one of America's steepest highways from 9,000 feet above sea level to the top of the mountain at entrance to the Eisenhower Tunnel in Colorado. Check out this promo for what's coming up soon on The Fast Lane Truck.
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Glad to see a casual test of the 6.2 's hope to see more ford 6.2 test thanks.
Nice mashup. I really expected the Raptor to move around more under load since its suspension is designed to soak up big bumps. Looks like those Fox shocks really do the job.
3.73's do not help towing in any way, 4.10's are superior for that. The Raptor has 4.10's mainly because it comes stock with ~35" tires and those gears help compensate for their massive size to keep wear and tear down on the drivetrain. The difference maker here was when the truck decided to upshift/downshift. The 4.10's gave the raptor the ability to climb back up the rev range and get back up to speed. With 3.73's it may not have been able to do that, which in theory is partly why the 250 never upshifted.
My brother in law just acquired a 2013 Raptor. I am really impressed with it, and a little jealous of his "new" pickup. The ride is really nice going down rough gravel roads at 80mph! ;)
How much can it tow?
It's interesting to hear André speaking in his native tongue.
You guys should do a video dedicated to axle ratios and how it affects towing and such.
Yes I was waiting for part 2. Thanks good work guys. Love the RAPTOR.
People are always surprised with my 2018 F250 ext cab 8' bed. If I need to go, It Fn goes!!! Love the 6.2!
Mr. Truck, class III cuts off at 5000 lbs and is rated at 500 lbs load carrying hitch (higher hitch load if WD is used).
Raptor has a class IV which would allow the 8k and should allow for an 800 lbs hitch weight without WD (though you'd likely be over on payload with or without)
I would've liked seeing the 6.2 Raptor to be put up against the 6.2 Silverado with the same weight trailer. $100 on the "lifestyle truck" Raptor. lol
That was brave of you to overload that Raptor and run it up one of hardest steepest grades in the country with ONLY 570 miles on the odometer. This could have ended in serious destruction lol.
500 mile break in period
What happened to your guy at 17:00 ? didn't look to good...
Wow just noticed that.
huh?
Mikkel Eriksen looked like he was going to be sick while an earthquake was going on
+Mikkel Eriksen he looks hungover or he has motion sickness LOL. He looked like he was going to hurl!
Huh?
Thinking of upgrading to 6.2l, and those v8's floored and redlined get me tense! Currently towing with Ecoboost and I'm used to half throttle and 2500-3500 RPMs up 7% grades with 6000lbs.
The reason for the higher gear ratio on the Raptor is because it has bigger tires. If you calculate it out the rear differential ratio with tire size the Raptor's 4.10 gears and 34 inch tires come out to about the same as the F250 with 3.73 gear ratio and 31 inch tires.
Looking back at these older videos. 39k for an f250 was a steal.
I have a 2014 FORD F-250 SRW 4x2 CREW CAB LARIAT 156" WB, STYLESIDE 6.2 EFI V8 6 SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANS, 4.30 LOCKING AXEL, TRAILER TOW PACKAGE, SWAY CONTROL, ELECT OVER HYDRO BREAK CONTROL. 10000 GVWR PACKAGE. I own a 36 foot Titanium Fifth Wheel Travel Trailer weighing in at 14547 (no cargo) I'm wondering how well the truck is going to tow it. When I bought the truck, I told the salesman at the dealer about the Fifth Wheel, and gave the weight, and he was the one that had the truck set up. So next spring I'll find out how it's gonna tow..... Thanks for the great video guy... It nice to see that there are good people out there that are willing to share information like this with everyone.....
I love what Mr. Truck said about the Raptor, "It does sit lower than my truck" LOLOL the Raptor is HUGE!
Match ups are more informative but the mash ups are a lot more fun.
That 6.2L and that 4.10 gear ratio tows with no problem. The ONLY problem that is, it's a RAPTOR. I really wish ford would make it an option(4.10 gear ratio) in the Lariats with the 6.2L. It only goes up to 3.73.
Almost as bad as the 6.2L in the Superduty. Every dealer stocks them with 3.73. At least you can order one with the 4.30. Surprised Mr Truck speced a 3.73 in his ,particularly since he lives in the mtn west and tows.
Tire sizes might play a role, no?... Those 4.10s probably help make up for the larger diameter, too.
Awesome guys!! I love watching all your videos! :) cant wait to see more of the Mid size trucks take on the Ike Gauntlet!
The reason it was floored and not down shifting was because a downshift would put it over redline (or it needs to be at least a few hundred rpm under redline) in a lower gear. Each gear will about 5-10 mph sooner with the 4.10 gear ratio. Watch where it down shifts and when it finally does it’s pretty much at redline.
You guys make the best reviews. Keep them comming!!
I have a 6.2 F 250 I pull a 30 ft r.v. 12,000 lb I get 7.5 miles to gallons
Andre speaking rushing is different
I love these videos it really shows the true test about towing
If I was going for a tow vehicle I would pick the diesel F250
If you wanted a tow vehicle, why whould you buy a 3/4 SRW in the first place?
Wouldn't the obvious choice be the truck with the highest capcity, i.e, the Ram 3500 DRW? And since it's not a Furd diesel, it might actually work.
Doc PJ Weak, not a domestic lover but if I were, SUPERDUTY all day.
Doc PJ Well, compare the Ram 2500 vs 3500 (SRW) the ONLY difference between the diesel versions is the rear spring packs (in the drive train) my 2012 2500 has 4 smaller leafs vs 3 larger leafs in a 3500.. the DRW has the same 11.5" rear end as well, just has extra over loads that the SRW 3500 doesn't have (and the dual rear tires)
+Rexford L To be honest after a lot of research I would avoid the diesels like the plague. They all seem to have so much emissions crap bolted on and it is negatively impacting reliability. I think my next truck will be an F250 or equivalent with a gas engine. Must be able to tow at least 11000 pounds. I won't reach that but I will be at around 9500 and like a bit of a cushion.
+davva360 comparing the company 2014 6.4 Hemi gassers to my 2012 6.7 Cummins, I've had a lot less emissions and other problems than the gas engined powered vehicles. (besides, they SUCK to tow with)
TONS of trailers over 12k lbs. Yes they are 5th wheel, but lots of them out there. Good friend has a 19k pound toy box that he uses to camp in and haul his RZR.
The larger tires on the Raptor hurt it. Yes it has 4.10's, but 35" tires makes its gearing worse than the F250 with 3.73's and 32's.
A pintle hitch will allow for 20,000lb + trailers without a 5th wheel. Typically found attached to 2.5 ton trucks but can be pulled behind a regular truck equipped with a heavy duty hitch receiver.
Its actually really close in gearing if you do the math but bigger tires amount to more rotating mass and un-sprung weight which robs a little power so the Raptor's extra 30 hp probably makes up for that.
Here's my 2 cents on this head to head. I'm glad they did this comparison because I was looking into exactly these two trucks. I LOVE the raptor, obviously it turns heads its unique and its a blast to drive etc but at the end of the day I use a full size truck to do what a full size truck was designed to do: Haul heavy shit and trailers (in my case a flatbed all steel car-trailer with vehicles on it from the auction to my shop every week) plus car-parts, chains etc in the bed. I do regular maintenance and replace anything when it needs it. But i don't give a shit about the paint on the inside of box either. Its a truck. I will end up going with a 2012-2014 F-250 SRW with a 6.2L super duty as its the best for what I use it for and the best price. I get asked why not a F-350, the answer is simple, the 350 rides a bit rough when its not loaded and I'm not hauling stuff 24-7. When I'm asked why not a diesel when I could clearly justify it. Where I live (Edmonton Canada) diesel fuel for some stupid fucking reason is at $1.36 a liter (about $5.20 gallon) Its cheaper for me to fuel up in Maui! Anyways that plus the added cost of the truck plus the added maintenance for a diesel engine, it still makes the most sense to get a 6.2 F-250. the dually weighs more and I think only comes in a diesel. If I want to up grade to a 350, I could do that to the suspension anyways. I always laugh when I see someone in a dodge 3500, chev 3500 or F-350 with low profile douche shitty looking wheels, not a single scratches on the truck especially in the bed but with payments more then their mortgage just to be a poser driving the kids to soccer practice.
ITS A TRUCK NOT A TOY!!!
That's my 2 cents!
Well said. The Raptor is a cool truck but if you're actually going to use a truck for hauling and towing then its just never going to be the best choice. And you pay a lot extra for the cool factor, the F250 was 14 K less as well.
Still did better then the Chevy 6.2 and the Raptors on 35inch tires
Now could we get a Ike gauntlet test of the base engines? ford f150 3.7 vs dodge 1500 3.6 and chevy/gmc 4.3 ecotec?
They basically test what they have or what the manufacturers supply them with. The 2 trucks in this test are their own trucks.
With an almost even test between the 2 trucks I guess it comes down to what would you rather be seen in. For me...my 6.2L Raptor does all that and can haul butt through the desert at 100mph with ease. I love the F250 and maybe I'll get one when I grow up! Never!
That fake smile at 11:05 :P
kranthi kiran hahahahaaha true
Perfect video. I'm actually trying to get one of these. I'm here for who's better mpg hauling...
Awesome video guys, love these tests
Great episode guys really enjoyed it!
Good video guys !
I think the thing that helped this trucki the most was the 4.10 rear end vs the 3.73 in the f250
I’m watching this in 2024…Did Andre not speak English back then?
Another thing to consider about acceleration besides power and gearing is that the Raptor weighs less.
Is this before he spoke English?
I understand and agree with your test but that is a perfect scenerio for manual shifting mode
Great video guys, keep up the good work.
You should do an Ike gauntlet with 3500 Chevys, fords, and rams.
Would have been interesting to through an Ecoboost 3.5L into this comparison too...
Metman2Tech The Ecoboost smoked both of these trucks did the run in 7:36 with 10,000 lbs in a different video.
I think the ecoboost was pulling 7000 pounds.
I can't wait to see the F250 6.2L destroy the new ram 2500 6.4L on the Ike Gauntlet...make it so.
Keep dreamin'.
Doc PJ
6.2 already whipped the 6.4 in a previous video by them
The 6.4 Hemi in the Ram 2500 pickup still has the old 66RFE trans that has a split 2nd gear so the gearing ratios aren't ideal compared to the 6R140 in the Ford. The Asin AS66RC 6 speed close ratio auto trans is only available with the 6.4L Hemi in Cab and Chassis configurations. So I think an F250 6.2L would have a good chance of destroying a Ram 2500 6.4L with the RFE on the Ike gauntlet.
Richard Cunningham If you're referring to that ridiculous 0-60 vid, that proves exactly nada. Oh, and a 0-60 time difference under 0,7 seconds, with an empty low budget Furd vs. a loaded Ram? Oh yeah, that proves evreything and is truely the essence of a clean ass whipping,,,, NOT. Load up the Furd and it'll be very similar and a complete crap shoot. Besides, the Ram is a much nicer and better built truck in all aspects. You'll need to live close to the Furd shop to own one, and of course, have a backup truck. Fix Or Repair Daily.
Is what it is and the Ram lost , & excuses are like assholes.
by 2015 Toyota Tundra will outsell your precious RAM pickup.
It's a shame they get free money and still can't build a truck to compete with. Although, they do have heated steering wheels, and that's nice.
@11:00 The Ford 6.2L actually has hemispherical heads :-P
Pretty much every engine does now a days
Love your videos, keep them coming!
This says a lot about the Raptor. It did a nice job. BTW what's funny is my 2005 RAM 3500 dually drops 2" when I hook up my 17,000 lb 5th wheel toyhauler... but my airbags take care of that. And I get 10 mpg towing it at 60-62 mph.
Great episode guys.
That suspension is built to compress for high speed off road driving, it is gonna squat, even with wd. Transmission mapping was the one and only factor. The transmission on the raptor, and for that matter the 6.2 chevy, with a tune to map it for that stupid high elevation, would perform much better and compare to their fat brothers in the 3/4 ton lineups.
Enjoyed this episode! Was that 2 inch sag on Raptor with WDH connected? Want to tow with a gas Super Duty the 4.30 axles are the way, not the 3.73. FYI there are thousands of guys out there towing 14k dump trailers.
also bet you blew past the payload capacity of the truck. Say 800+# hitch weight. 400# for 2 passengers 70# for WDH that's 1270# load and Ford says payload not to exceed 980#
Awesome video! But please mash it up with the ram 1500 Laramie!? Please
230 degree trans temp is ok?! I would beg to differ. 225 is scary to me.
Try the Raptor 6.2L vs the Ford F-250 6.7L Turbo Diesel
that is a COMPLETE waste of time. the Diesel has WAAAAAY more torque than the gas 6.2 if you really want a test that's worth the time try a Ecoboost versus an Ecodiesel.
i think you guys should do this to all of ford truck motors, so the new 2.7 coming out should be interesting
35's with 4.10s doesnt carry the advantage you would think. Its similar to the stock f150 tires with 3.73 gears not including the additional rotating mass. Thanks for another tow video.
thats the music needed to test big pick ups...
how come the video seems to jump and repeat a few times? your last few videos have done that....
thats actually youtube rebuffering as it bumps up and down the resolution to your connections speed and not doing a good job of matching the time that it changes the resolution. I have the issue as well on other videos as well.
+Paul Haselhorst then what is it mr know it all
at 8:02 they all looked over haha
The raptor was towing it's maximum capacity where as the heavy duty wasn't pulling even close to it's maximum towing capacity.
You guys need to edit the audio on this vid... it's very off...
honestly guys 8000lbs really isn't that much weight. I have a 06 grand Cherokee with the 4.7 v8 with the 5 speed auto and 3.73 rear end ratio. much less powerful than the 6.2 just because of the fact that the litres are a lot less. the jeep is rated to pull 6000 or so. I had around 8000 between trailer and load behind it and pulled just fine. granted I wasn't going up ikes gauntlet but I encountered some pretty hefty hills and it held 70 just fine shifting between 2500rpms and 3700rpms. not sure what gears those were didn't really pay that much attention at the time. so 8000lbs really shouldn't be that big of a deal for something with that 6.2 litre engine.
I think tow rating has a lot more to do with being able to stop and turn with the load...
This stretch of interstate is some of the steepest in the continental U.S. That's why the trucks struggle so much going uphill just to maintain 60 mph at full throttle. Not to mention at higher altitude, naturally aspirated engines lose a significant amount of horsepower, I think they claim its a 30% loss. So basically this truck could probably tow 8000 lbs at sea level on level road probably about as easily as it could tow about 5000 lbs going up the Ike Gauntlet. I would say it could tow substantially more than 8000 lbs at lower altitude but suspension and braking would be dangerously overextended and they wouldn't do that. That's why the f250 is rated to tow so much more, it has a stronger frame, heavier suspension and better brakes, at a rated towing capacity of 12500 lbs.
I love these towing videos. Hook up a big 1 ton truck and tow a maxed out fifth wheel!
They have done some videos with 1 ton trucks and a much heaver trailer doing the Ike Gauntlet
Is just me or does Nathan look like he is Hungover during this whole review?
When you slow down a bit and the RPMS drop, put it in overdrive
it doesn't test the engine because the two trucks are unequal, one weighs a whole lot more and is meant for towing heavy loads
They should do diesel vs gas with same trucks.
not much of a fair comparison.
What makes these videos not mean anything is all in the gearing. They kept mentioning the chevy with the 6.2 drop more speed before downshifting. Well it was pretty obvious this truck was geared better with the 4.10s to stay at a higher rpm at 60 mph then the chevy. Now I know this isn't about comparing the raptor against the gm 6.2 but what I'm getting at is; power isn't necessarily the key as much as mechanical leverage is. One less powerful truck could be in the sweet spot at 55 where a more powerful one is at 50.
btw enjoyed both vids! thumbs up!
11:38 DOWNshift, not upshift
When comparing two vehicles, omitting pertinent facts confuse people. In this case, the rear axle ratio is brought up as a relevant difference. If you tell us what the rear axle ratio is you must also tell us tire height and transmission ratios. The rear axle ratio on it's own is meaningless in this comparison without tire height and transmission ratios. I was surprised "Mr Truck" did not say something.
6.2L and especially, ESPECIALLY THAT 4.10 gear ratio. ADVANTAGE.
Don't you guys have the 0-60 tool that also tracks gps and can give you guys tools to do time check points along the way??
did they run premium in raptor, you should.
I'd like to have seen Mr Truck drive the Raptor and compare how the truck felt with the weight compared to his Superduty.
What language is the temp gun guy speaking?
+407ForRent русский (hint: use google translate)
I thought those chains and bushings were for sway control? My WDH is just like that hitch but I have 2, 3 ft bars with chains on the end that you put on the hitch and pick the truck up with the jack and then attach them to the trailers A-frame with chains. It makes a world of difference too. MY 14 ram 1500 outdoorsman looks like that raptor with my 5500 lbs travel trailer on it and no WDH. With the WDH I sit much more level like the super duty did.
Ill stick with my F-250 Super Duty with a turbo Diesel and Bullet proofed 6.0 , but really nice trucks guys.
The 5.7l hemi has 390 hp but the 6.2l has 412? That doesn't seem like a like more for the size difference.
Respectfully... good review but the raptor is not made to haul that much. Huge disadvantage. But it is sort of apples to apples with the engine at least. Please please please stop comparing naturally aspirated engines vs turbo engines at elevation. When you do that, it only gives people in colorado a good review. Lower elevation the turbos dont perform much better but the N/A vehicles do. How about this? Take an ecoboost and test it against a 5.7 hemi and 6.2 silverado at elevation. Then go to a low elevation like arizona or kansas and do it again so people see the difference it makes. Im talking about the racing and towing tests like 0-60 and 1/4 while unloaded and then while towing. Do that in high and low elevation so YOU GUYS and other people learn how much it changes. To be honest i dont think you guys know how much different the results will be. When you test a N/A engine at high elevation, you are slowing down by 1.8 to 2 seconds in your 0-60 runs, whereas an ecoboost or any other turbo vehicle will slow by a tenth or two.
At 12:03 it shows the chains slack on the hitch, what gives guys? With no weight distribution your WAY over spec. What went wrong with the Anderson that made you not want to use it?
those are break away chains, not weight distribution.
i don't think the transmission is different i think the 4.10 gear ratio wouldn't allow you to downshift to second when you were around 60 the f250 with the3.73 gears could sit around 5500rpm the hole way up when the raptor would get to 60 and it would redline and upshift
Trever Adamo Correct Raptor has the 6R80 which is a licensed copy of the ZF6HP26 and the F250 has an in house designed 6R140 that was created to be an improvement on the Allison design.
Why didn't you guys just use google maps or apple maps on whatever phones you have to check the traffic situation ahead of the planned route before starting the test?
Would Love to see what the dodge eco diesl could do it in!!!
Couldn't you run it again in the Raptor to make it a fair test? Just wait a little and do it when there's less traffic. Surely you're familiar with the pattern by now.
Are you wearing a pebble smartwatch?
Ok guys, I love your videos but this Raptor thing is getting old.......please move on to something else.
The Raptor did better than I thought it would. I was pretty impressed. But I would still take the EcoBoost any day.
I like to see a turbo raptor
do some tuning on the truck engines .
who won
f250
I guess I'm the only one who noticed; what's with the Russian film crew?
That’s Andre. He knows English now.
what did you get for mpg in the raptor towing?
They could have improved speed and mileage in the Raptor by leaving the transmission in second and lifting off of the throttle to keep the speed at 60 mph.
0:55 what song is this?
you know the old 6.9L non-turbo diesel was about the best a guy could buy and i feel it still is 170 HP and 338 ft lb at 1400 rpm and 15-20 mpg with my T18 4 speed best thing sence peanut butter
The raptor for the suspension that it has it does not sit that low and for towing you really can`t just expect that for would put towing mirrors on a truck that`s meant for off road uses.
Why is Andre speaking another language??
The Ford 6.2 easily beats the best Chevy 6.2 and Dodge 5.7 and Toyota 5.7...
the chevy is a closer match up, but no shit itll beat the dodge and toyota
Actually the ecoboost F-150 I believe has the fastest time. Its turbocharged engine helped in the high altitude, making it lose less power due to the thinner air and the trans helped keep the rpms up so it could maintain speed. I think they actually had to back off full throttle to keep from speeding, the only truck that could do that. The Chevy 6.2 has the most power but the trans kept upshifting and it couldn't maintain speed consistently. The Dodge and Toyota look good on paper but couldn't maintain speed going uphill either. I'm biased somewhat toward GM but it looks like Ford has them beat when it comes to heavy towing.
I hope you know the dodge 1500 isn't made to tow
DropShotMaster1000 then what's it made for? Running to the mall?