Yeah, the director got lucky. He should have dealt with what he got, but they always think they can do bigger and better. Good to know Nic was participating in the movie and it was something we likely won't see... EVER
A GIANT spider at that 🤣That scene did make sense though. It was a call out to a classic Kevin Smith and Jon Peters story. Jon Peters wanted Kevin Smith to direct Superman fighting a giant spider and Kevin Smith walked away. Also, Jon Peters then produced Wild Wild West and that movie DOES end with a giant mechanical spider. Jon Peters is OBSESSED with giant spiders
If I’m not mistaken, he was supposed to fight either a giant scorpion or Braniac at the end of his movie. I think they wanted to pay homage to the entire idea of the his Superman movie instead of just his version of Superman. Having him act out that scene would’ve meant more time and money.
This is why it's so important for actors to not allow studios to use actors' likeness in perpetuity. It will allow studios to put actors into awful movies to ride on their star power, and the actors are powerless do anything about it. Crispin Glover was blacklisted by Hollywood and made out to be an ungrateful lunatic after he successfully sued Universal Studios for using his likeness without asking. Turns out Glover was right all those years ago, but even he could not anticipate the blatant hijacking of actors by computers back in 1989.
They didn’t use his “likeness” he actually went into the studio and filmed him scene in person, it’s just the awful de-aging software they’ve used to make him look younger
@@khalidsonawave No. I was implying was how the autonomy, and protection of any actor's likeness can be hijacked. I never mentioned Nicholas Cage at all. I can see how you could read into it that way though.
It's literally there though....the whole scene is various mulitverse heroes reacting to the rift in space time...or whatever that was. In Nick's case....they just put in a little spider fight before that part.
@@grendlsmayeah but he’s saying they completely used cgi for his face and the emotion he put on his face wasn’t used, did u and the 16 people who liked your comment watch the same video???
@@YomamaYodaddyYobjtchassGranny No, he's saying they CGI'd him for when he's fighting the spider because he has no memory of filming that fight, not that they replaced his face in the scene he remembers filming, which is in the movie right after the spider.
Nick Cage is one of the hardest working actors in the movie industry. He worked hard to get back to the top. What is it with Warner brothers firing good likable actors like him and Henry Cavil?
Well, I think Nic Cage wasn't exactly fairing well at the box office. So there's at least a logic based decision there. I wanted his new movies to do great really badly, but they just didn't. 90% of the time I like his acting choices, he looks to be a consummate professional. I can only assume that Cavill was fired because his behavior was deemed to be too conservative and not black female enough. If that sounds stupid or doesn't make sense, it's because it is and doesn't.
Nic cage doesnt need to make movies with political and social agendas to be crazy in whatever role he chooses. Caville needs to have his head on straight, and its hard when netflix and WB really dont know how to handle their properties.
i heard he was trolling the head writer and just constantly rewriting stuff last second and sending it over her head. but people also say that she wanted to change a bunch from the source material and he didnt, so it’s probably more complicated than just trolling.
@@eduardomartin8510 Miller was only “allowed” to stay because he had already completed his work on the movie and firing him would have meant redoing the whole thing. Also you are aware Affleck is hardly controversy-free?
He talked about AI because that's what Tim burton has been talking about. Tim Burton was originally gonna direct nic cages Superman hence why he mentioned it. So it wasn't he NEEDS to make a distinction
I bring up this fact on the actor's union page repeatedly. AI is the new buzz word. Last year it was NFTs. AI uses diffusion so the end result is a wibbly wobbly nebulous mess where every frame is drawn from scratch and there is no consistency. It isn't something film can use. AI isn't going to replace actors. We've been using CGI crowd simulations for 25 years. That isn't anything new.
From the documentary The death of superman lives Kevin Smith said one of the Producers said there had to be a Superman fights a F%$king huge spider, I think the spider in the scene was a satirical nod to that.
Yup it was one of the reasons Smith walked away from the film, the producer had a thing for wanting a giant spider in a film and had been pushing for it and always got rejected, he eventually got his wish in Wild Wild West
I like the "witnessing the destruction of the universe" idea so much better than what we got. It just feels like a fitting role for a version of Superman that never truly had his day.
But it was there....the whole scene was multiverse heroes reacting to the rift in space time. For Nick....he just got a little spider fight before that....
Yeah not gonna lie guys I did totally forget that was happening. 😅 I saw the movie once and wasn't impressed so I guess I didn't care much to remember certain things. To make more sense, I feel the spider fight was unnecessary and it could have been portrayed more like "staring into the abyss" at your inevitable doom. Sorry to those I have offended with my ignorance 😂
Glad I had an opportunity to see this interview. Thnx for whoever asked the question. This was all the information I needed for his appearance in the film. I was all about questions when I watched him in THE FLASH. I appreciate it. My curiosity was answered
Nikky C, propping up the people that make his art possible over himself shows his character. I feel bad we lost that scene and his superman. This one scene in the movie is the one lone positive of the entire movie.
Straight up knows his part was awful in the movie, yet compliments everyone he worked with so he didn't have to say anything bad about the film ...classy move sir.
This is exactly what bugs me about The Rise of Skywalker. To me, it was obvious there was SO much changed while in production. Even months before the movie came out articles were coming out about changes being done while working in it. Even Matt Smith was in many casting lists, but quickly removed. But after the movie came out, there is no deleted scenes of the movie whatsoever, other than minor things in the bts documentary. But there was also confirmation of scenes that were shot that are in the novelization, like Kylo interrogating Chewbacca. Even concept art shows the sith planet Exegol was supposed to have an orange tone with an eclipse during the battle, which in the first teaser you see an A wing crashing in the same battle with a yellow orange tone. Lots of tv spots and some trailers also include more Palpatine dialogue as well. And a TV spot shows Kylo actually putting his helmet on, but I believe they trimmed so much that the movie's pace is everywhere. That movie, as a movie, is a true mess and left me soulless after first watching it, and that's hard to say as a Star Wars fan. But it shows, and they love to hide that fact
The annoying thing now is that they aren't honest about the production (especially when it's disney). So all that cut material is hidden away somewhere and they're acting like it never happened. Because they want the illusion that they knew 100% what story they were telling and that they were completely happy with it.
@@THEremiXFACTOR Well there are interviews, Daisy Ridley for example, saying they had no idea who her parents would be and kept changing it. So it shows they had no plan and were spit balling. But that is an actor saying it and not the studio. What's worse imo is there are people out who believe Rise was a good movie lol.
Agreed. TROS is the definition of soul crushing. It’s a messy highly corporatized rush job Lucasfilm should’ve taken 4-5 years to make the movie after the reception of TLJ, but instead they went ahead full steam 2 years. They speedran the entire trilogy, instead of taking the 3-5 year gaps between films
@@gabebartlett9680 Ug. I was taking note of that the other day. Every 2 years for the new Star Wars. The first new one was adequate and they could've gotten better each time. 3 years apart. The original movies were 3 years apart obviously but the prequels were to. Why the F did they go with the 2 year rule this time. Bad call, and no time to sleep on a decision.
The Rise of Skywalker was so messy because JJ Abrams kept having to find ways to make a sound movie after Rian Johnson completely killed what he already started with his abject weirdness in Last Jedi. A lot of things you don't like about RoS, were things established in Last Jedi and Abrams having to try writing around that. Rian Johnson completely went off the deep end and created a Star Wars movie that doomed the next one.
The Reeve Superman does the whole "watching the universe die" thing in that sequence so maybe the producers decided after shooting the Cage scene that they needed to have something different for that version of the character.
The studio didn't want to pay the actor for the extra scene of him fighting, It was cheaper for the studio to make the CGI than to pay Nicolas, Maybe they thought that once he agreed to be in the movie they were allowed to use his likeness however they wanted.
I would really like to see that scene with him saddened of the destruction of a universe with the suit on. I can just only imagine how cool it would look.
As the other response to your comment says -- it did happen, they just added the spider because thats anyone knows about "Nick Cage as Superman", (made famous by the Kevin Smith interview), its ridiculous. It was originally supposed to be Sean Penn according to Kevin Smith - equally ridiculous. The spider seems to be the part that Nick doesn't understand. This terrible sounding Tim Burton Superman movie was going to be all sorts of awful, with the producer insisting on Superman fighting a giant spider, not flying, and not being in his regular suit -- so i hate to break it to Nick Cage (as he seems nice), but if he hated that little snippet here, then he would have HATED the disaster that that Superman movie would have been. The producer moved on to Wild Wild West where you get the fight with the giant mechanical spider - and the movie blows. A majority of us think the spider being added here is hilarious as an inside joke, because of the Kevin Smith story about not being able to finish the script because he had to add so much crazy ass stuff (including said spider), it made the story legendary. We wouldn't have even know about this fever dream of a movie script had it not been for the whole Spider story. ruclips.net/video/Wo2KB1dEDdk/видео.html (to see Kevin talk about it)
Having worked in motion capture and developed animation software, I've never had a problem with using technology as a tool to transform the work of a human actor for the pupose of expanding their character range, (dragons, apes, no-human creatures, etc.). I don't have a problem with AI creating music, writing, or even acting, so long as it is done as an original work, making it an extension of the director or computer scientists creativity. I do have a problem with AI and other technologies being used to mimick or represent human actors without their consent. This is the technological equivalent of modifying someone's work to avoid copyright.
Exactly, AI is just a tool (or it should be), that means it's used to do more than was possible with out it, not replace actual work, skill, talent and vision. Cgi was and as noted here a tool improperly used much the same, rather than elevating what could be done in film with practical effect, or budget limitations, it became a corner cutting tool to "make it work" not the extention of medium expression it should be.
@@final_catalyst yeah I'm in the arts myself and I honestly see the benefit of AI. You can use it as like some kind of brainstorming aid to help formulate betters concepts. For example, you can have a conversation with any cheap/free AI chat bot as if you have a co-writer to bounce off from until you finally have a proper idea in your hands. Of course, you still also need to do the heavy lifting because AI tends to be weird when you aren't specific enough. However, yes there is a horrible dark side, but I don't need to explain it because that's what everyone's talking about.
you are the problem! YOU! It will take away all of their jobs,dumbo. They got algorhytms that can write up a combo of any script in existance in last 2 centuries,and simply generate it. Will you pay billions of people who will lose jobs? Or millions of actors,writers?
him giving praise to some lady who made a costume is that no one has ever heard of or thought about is such a nic cage thing to do. He loves making movies and appreciates everyone involved.
Honestly, I would love to see Nic Cage as Superman in full movie. Heck even in trilogy of movies. Because, if done right he can look great as Superman.
I wish the bluray had alternate takes like the original planned ending with keaton and supergirl but most of all to see actual Nick cage in the suit even if it's just him standing in a garage with green screen material lining the walls and a box fan to blow his cape and hair!
I can see how from the actor's perspective this is very terrifying. You shoot a scene and in the end studio can just do whatever they can with that footage with the help of CGI.
After all, Disney marketed the movie as “Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas” following the director's success with “Batman,” “Edward Scissorhands” and “Batman Returns.” And yet, it was Henry Selick who directed “Nightmare.”
Tim Burton came up with the story for "Nightmare" and he was supposed to direct it but couldn't due to scheduling issues with the production of "Batman Returns"
I deeply understand his irritation at having what he did tossed aside, and... while beautifully done, replaced with his face pasted over something else.
This comment makes me go back to the very ending of the Superman Lives documentary when Tim Burton says “Why are you trying to depress me so much? Does anybody have saline pill? Visit me when I’m 90 and I’ll be here “Still gonna make it… Gonna make it…”” 😅
In this interview Nick looks amazing with his mustache here , 20 yrs younger looking than his "Renfield" appearance , , , Mr Cage hope you are doing great , , ,and also its cool to see his alternate SUPERMAN as part of this FLASH movie 😸👍👍
I legit cheered when I saw this, much to the confusion of my family who went with me. I don’t remember where I heard about “Superman Lives” or why I knew about Cage being Superman, but I was overjoyed seeing that scene.
Does anyone remember nicholas cage and the way he looked in a show called con air. i know superman is supposed to look a certain way. however, someone could make superman look more cool. and if they decided to do that. the way nicholas cage looked in the movie con air was really cool. that would make a really cool superman. i mean there are ton of other actors that would make a better superman. however, this would show that nicholas cage is more of a diverse actor than people realize. however, he is older now than when compared to when he starred in the movie con air.
I remember people being up in arms about Michael Keaton being Batman and nobody thought he could pull it off. Ended up being one of the best Batman’s. Who’s to say Tim Burton wouldn’t have done the same with Nic on Superman Lives. Wish we could have gotten that one.
Wow, it's almost like they just duped him to get him in the studio to get his likeness to stick in as a cameo... I don't see what the need was for him to even be in a suit, the whole thing looks artificailly put together and none of it seems "live action". It doesn' look like any part of it came from the lens of a camera and the emotions he was asked to convey definitely are not there... The only explanation is that the concept for the scene has changed completely and I guess they didn't want to bother with a reshoot. But that's why it looks comical rather than profund and the fact that none of the filmmakers noticed is really sad.
It's really heartbreaking when you try to give your best performance on set, then you watched the film and you got cgi'd instead. That's just outright disrespectful to Nick Cage or any actor/artist imo
One thing that bugged me about that scene is that they went to the trouble to get Nicolas Cage, and then the CGI effects were so heavy, they could have accomplished the exact same thing without him at all. The version we got on the screen was barely recognizable as Cage. What's the point of that?
They probably knew what was doing to happen and hired him on for a minimum so they could go through the motionsand still legally do what they wanted. They avoided a lawsuit as they did py him for the role. Perhaps his contract even included a clause to allow for his likeness to be used in that particular way.
Hearing this makes me think the cgi was even worse than i originally thought. If the characters actually looked terrified at the worlds colliding/destruction of the universe I'd of been like fine. Somehow we just got the characters looking into the camera like a 90s sitcom intro
Your description says it was an abandoned Kevin Smith Superman movie but it was actually Tim Burton. There are documentaries about the lost film on youtube.
Yes. Kevin was commissioned to write the script. The script had a battle with a giant mechanical spider at the insistance of producer John Peters. Eventually Peters would get his wish of a hero squaring off with a giant mechanical spider in the summer flop "Wild Wild West".
I love this guy I know some laugh or make jokes in good fun but for me ever since I was little watching Raising Arizona everyday or going to see Adaptation in the theater he has and always will be my favorite actor!🎥🤯🔫
I really liked that scene when all the alternative universe heroes were shown. Overall the movie wasn't as bad as people are saying. It was entertaining enough to not dislike it.
Poor Nic! He went to shoot an scene where he was seeing the destruction of the multiverse but instead now he gets to see the destruction of his cameo and a whole franchise!😢
Not going to lie I still find it satisfying that nick cage is relevant in the DC universe with the con air vibe I appreciate that and well at least he gets recognition for his part with auditioning
They should have just filmed Nic in the suit, I domt understandthis need to waste time time and money de-aging and whatever the hell else. cage in this interview looks great he would have been fine in a scene as Superman
Is there any other interviews with actors expressing their opinion on using their CGI or Deepfake image? This should be talked more. I don't necessarly oppose it (it's not my face), but we need to have this conversation. The closest thing I've seen so far was this interview and episode 1 of Black Mirror season 6.
I can't name any specific interviews offhand, but it was one of the big points in the SAG strike. Among other things, the studios were trying to claim the automatic right to the images of actors in perpetuity for use in future CGI/AI "performances" as part of the standard acting contract (not just big stars, but across the board) and SAG was holding a hardline position against it and ended up winning in that point.
At the time, I certainly felt that way as well. Now, though, I find myself wishing it had been made because I think it would have been bonkers. Could have become one of those "so bad, it's good" kind of movies.
As someone who has a very small channel with AI content I totally understand where Cage is coming from with his and other artist's disdain of AI. Likeness can be stolen and used in inappropriate ways and without monetary compensation to the artist. This is specifically why I don't sell anything I do with it or pass it off as legitimate. I also think it has a long way to go before you really can't tell the difference between what's real and what's not. Rendering deepfakes takes an extremely long time to do semi-convincingly and there is an art in of itself in the process. AI voices have many tell-tale glitches in the model which I know from experience. It's not as easy to get things sounding all that real even with real-time voice changers. You still have to try and do an impression and if your voice model is lacking it won't sound good or convincing. So again, there is art to even using AI. Songs are pretty scary though...I created one for one of my videos with my own lyrics using AI and if the quality was better and the structure was more consistent you almost couldn't tell. But anyway, I think there is a place for the AI stuff for someone that wants to satire something but has no budget to hire VAs or anything. I also think it should be labeled clearly as AI and not sold commercially.
I always thought Cage having long hair was his private haircut at that time (maybe for another role) during the rehearsel. Or was it intended for the superman role?
Nicolas Cage fighting the GIANT SPIDER was one of the best parts!!! This scene should become a limited comic book series at DC. Most certainly a Win-Win idea. ☕🗽🇺🇸
one thing is for certain. nic cage superman, regardless of it successful or failure, wouldve been a legendary film and have a massive cult following and debate throughout the generation.
I remember back in 1998 when I was a little youth me and my friend who was much older than me discussing and imagining Nicholas Cage as superman wirh his long hair and in superman costume... Today I've seen it and my imagination wasn't to far off 😊
How do you have Nic Cage in a Superman suit, on set and decide to go with PS2 graphics? Insane.
Yeah, the director got lucky. He should have dealt with what he got, but they always think they can do bigger and better.
Good to know Nic was participating in the movie and it was something we likely won't see... EVER
PS2 is legit 😅
Haha. The whole movie was PS2 graphics!
@@2HatHuddersI've actually been replaying my PS2 games as of late 🤣
Because the director is a hack that uses to much cgi.
He did it with mama he did it with it - can’t stand his work.
Nic being upset about AI just makes me appreciate him even more
Couldn't be more true
why? he is an actor he did his job and got payed,its upto the studio what to ultimatly put in the movie,to me he is just whining.
oke but did he get payed? @@KartikeyGupta-u8t
@@MarcustheseerActing is supposed to be about more than that.
@@Marcustheseer Imagine thinking that everyone is superficial enough to only care about getting paid in a job related to arts...
"They de-aged me and I'm fighting a spider"... not something you hear every day.
A GIANT spider at that 🤣That scene did make sense though. It was a call out to a classic Kevin Smith and Jon Peters story. Jon Peters wanted Kevin Smith to direct Superman fighting a giant spider and Kevin Smith walked away. Also, Jon Peters then produced Wild Wild West and that movie DOES end with a giant mechanical spider. Jon Peters is OBSESSED with giant spiders
Sounds like that’s a story to be told another time😂
Every time I fight a spider it de-ages me... the sheer terror of it takes 10 years off of my life! 😭
In the comis that's just a Tuesday
@@DendelionBluIndeed. Warner Brothers appeased Peters with the WWW spider. I instantly made the connection when I saw that scene in The Flash.
I love this man….i can’t believe he was on set and they didn’t use it
They deserved the failure of the flash
If I’m not mistaken, he was supposed to fight either a giant scorpion or Braniac at the end of his movie.
I think they wanted to pay homage to the entire idea of the his Superman movie instead of just his version of Superman. Having him act out that scene would’ve meant more time and money.
@@bfan82oh it would've redeem the film
It was. That one shot of the camera zooming out from his univserse. That’s him, only de-aged. Everything else wasn’t him.
This is why it's so important for actors to not allow studios to use actors' likeness in perpetuity. It will allow studios to put actors into awful movies to ride on their star power, and the actors are powerless do anything about it. Crispin Glover was blacklisted by Hollywood and made out to be an ungrateful lunatic after he successfully sued Universal Studios for using his likeness without asking. Turns out Glover was right all those years ago, but even he could not anticipate the blatant hijacking of actors by computers back in 1989.
Why not just create an entirely different person from cgi and never worry about it
They didn’t use his “likeness” he actually went into the studio and filmed him scene in person, it’s just the awful de-aging software they’ve used to make him look younger
@@khalidsonawaveI never said they used his likeness.
@@PhantomFilmAustralia the first line of your comment implying that broski, just saying how it’s coming across
@@khalidsonawave No. I was implying was how the autonomy, and protection of any actor's likeness can be hijacked. I never mentioned Nicholas Cage at all. I can see how you could read into it that way though.
0:05 That “Well….okay” told me everything I needed to know
Indeed
The real crime was paying to see ghost rider 2 in theaters never felt so robbed of my time and money lmao lol
@@Zero-s7k Zero.. its been years..
He’s like Fabian in a suit
The scene he filmed sounds way better then whatvwe got
It's literally there though....the whole scene is various mulitverse heroes reacting to the rift in space time...or whatever that was.
In Nick's case....they just put in a little spider fight before that part.
@@grendlsmayeah but he’s saying they completely used cgi for his face and the emotion he put on his face wasn’t used, did u and the 16 people who liked your comment watch the same video???
@@YomamaYodaddyYobjtchassGranny No, he's saying they CGI'd him for when he's fighting the spider because he has no memory of filming that fight, not that they replaced his face in the scene he remembers filming, which is in the movie right after the spider.
He's an actor talking about the direction he was given. That's how they see the movies they make
@@grendlsma a classic example of how tone plays an important role in film making.
Nick Cage is one of the hardest working actors in the movie industry. He worked hard to get back to the top. What is it with Warner brothers firing good likable actors like him and Henry Cavil?
Well, I think Nic Cage wasn't exactly fairing well at the box office. So there's at least a logic based decision there. I wanted his new movies to do great really badly, but they just didn't. 90% of the time I like his acting choices, he looks to be a consummate professional. I can only assume that Cavill was fired because his behavior was deemed to be too conservative and not black female enough. If that sounds stupid or doesn't make sense, it's because it is and doesn't.
Nic cage doesnt need to make movies with political and social agendas to be crazy in whatever role he chooses.
Caville needs to have his head on straight, and its hard when netflix and WB really dont know how to handle their properties.
i heard he was trolling the head writer and just constantly rewriting stuff last second and sending it over her head. but people also say that she wanted to change a bunch from the source material and he didnt, so it’s probably more complicated than just trolling.
The Superman curse at work!
@@eduardomartin8510 Miller was only “allowed” to stay because he had already completed his work on the movie and firing him would have meant redoing the whole thing. Also you are aware Affleck is hardly controversy-free?
It's striking to me how quickly people have confused the difference between AI and CGI
He made the distinction clearly.
@@cwell510 he did. It was a reference to the fact that he NEEDS to spell out the difference.
He talked about AI because that's what Tim burton has been talking about. Tim Burton was originally gonna direct nic cages Superman hence why he mentioned it. So it wasn't he NEEDS to make a distinction
@@emuman09 I think you're misunderstanding my comment.
I bring up this fact on the actor's union page repeatedly. AI is the new buzz word. Last year it was NFTs. AI uses diffusion so the end result is a wibbly wobbly nebulous mess where every frame is drawn from scratch and there is no consistency. It isn't something film can use. AI isn't going to replace actors. We've been using CGI crowd simulations for 25 years. That isn't anything new.
I love how he meant "inhuman" in its exact sense: AI is quite literally inhuman
@@nickmyers3065mans said “POINT AND LAUGH🤓🤓”
i clicked the vid to find this comment lmao its like saying water is wet
It's not really. It was literally developed by humans
@@irreverencegaming AI stands for artificial intelligence which is nearly a synonym for inhuman.
Actually, it's inhuman. To be inhumane would mean AI is cruel.
From the documentary The death of superman lives Kevin Smith said one of the Producers said there had to be a Superman fights a F%$king huge spider, I think the spider in the scene was a satirical nod to that.
It totally was
The producer was Jon Peters and yes, that scene was 100% that!
What an expensive inside joke
He finally got his giant spider in Wild Wild West lol @@DendelionBlu
Yup it was one of the reasons Smith walked away from the film, the producer had a thing for wanting a giant spider in a film and had been pushing for it and always got rejected, he eventually got his wish in Wild Wild West
I like the "witnessing the destruction of the universe" idea so much better than what we got. It just feels like a fitting role for a version of Superman that never truly had his day.
But it was there....the whole scene was multiverse heroes reacting to the rift in space time.
For Nick....he just got a little spider fight before that....
But we literally did see him witness that. Did you forget?
You’re literally just yapping about nothing. It was literally happening in the movie.
Yeah not gonna lie guys I did totally forget that was happening. 😅
I saw the movie once and wasn't impressed so I guess I didn't care much to remember certain things.
To make more sense, I feel the spider fight was unnecessary and it could have been portrayed more like "staring into the abyss" at your inevitable doom.
Sorry to those I have offended with my ignorance 😂
@@m0urn1ng5tar5 The spider fight was a reference to what could have been if Tim Burtons Superman came out.
Glad I had an opportunity to see this interview. Thnx for whoever asked the question. This was all the information I needed for his appearance in the film. I was all about questions when I watched him in THE FLASH. I appreciate it. My curiosity was answered
Agreed. What nice details to get.
I'm gonna be honest the respect I have for him has only grown now
Nikky C, propping up the people that make his art possible over himself shows his character. I feel bad we lost that scene and his superman. This one scene in the movie is the one lone positive of the entire movie.
Straight up knows his part was awful in the movie, yet compliments everyone he worked with so he didn't have to say anything bad about the film ...classy move sir.
I agree with you
Honestly, from watching the movie, I would’ve never thought that superman was supposed to look terrified from the final CGI abomination product
Exactly
Nobody said he was supposed to look terrified
Upset not terrified
@@thischannelisdeletedNicholas Cage says it in the interview at 2:22.
"... trying to convey feelings of sadness and loss and terror..."
Nicolas Cage over here trying to convince me he didn't fight a giant spider this particular time as if he fights them regularly.
I love being reminded that Nicholas Cage is a real human being, who happens to be a fantastic actor.
Dude admitted all those bad movies he was in to pay off six million in debt
"Fantastic"
Also, a huge comic dork
This is exactly what bugs me about The Rise of Skywalker. To me, it was obvious there was SO much changed while in production. Even months before the movie came out articles were coming out about changes being done while working in it. Even Matt Smith was in many casting lists, but quickly removed. But after the movie came out, there is no deleted scenes of the movie whatsoever, other than minor things in the bts documentary. But there was also confirmation of scenes that were shot that are in the novelization, like Kylo interrogating Chewbacca. Even concept art shows the sith planet Exegol was supposed to have an orange tone with an eclipse during the battle, which in the first teaser you see an A wing crashing in the same battle with a yellow orange tone. Lots of tv spots and some trailers also include more Palpatine dialogue as well. And a TV spot shows Kylo actually putting his helmet on, but I believe they trimmed so much that the movie's pace is everywhere. That movie, as a movie, is a true mess and left me soulless after first watching it, and that's hard to say as a Star Wars fan. But it shows, and they love to hide that fact
The annoying thing now is that they aren't honest about the production (especially when it's disney). So all that cut material is hidden away somewhere and they're acting like it never happened. Because they want the illusion that they knew 100% what story they were telling and that they were completely happy with it.
@@THEremiXFACTOR Well there are interviews, Daisy Ridley for example, saying they had no idea who her parents would be and kept changing it. So it shows they had no plan and were spit balling. But that is an actor saying it and not the studio. What's worse imo is there are people out who believe Rise was a good movie lol.
Agreed. TROS is the definition of soul crushing. It’s a messy highly corporatized rush job
Lucasfilm should’ve taken 4-5 years to make the movie after the reception of TLJ, but instead they went ahead full steam 2 years.
They speedran the entire trilogy, instead of taking the 3-5 year gaps between films
@@gabebartlett9680 Ug. I was taking note of that the other day. Every 2 years for the new Star Wars. The first new one was adequate and they could've gotten better each time. 3 years apart. The original movies were 3 years apart obviously but the prequels were to. Why the F did they go with the 2 year rule this time. Bad call, and no time to sleep on a decision.
The Rise of Skywalker was so messy because JJ Abrams kept having to find ways to make a sound movie after Rian Johnson completely killed what he already started with his abject weirdness in Last Jedi. A lot of things you don't like about RoS, were things established in Last Jedi and Abrams having to try writing around that. Rian Johnson completely went off the deep end and created a Star Wars movie that doomed the next one.
The Reeve Superman does the whole "watching the universe die" thing in that sequence so maybe the producers decided after shooting the Cage scene that they needed to have something different for that version of the character.
The giant spider is a whole gag about Jon Peters who tried to randomly shoehorn a giant spider into that movie.
1:51 He was about to say "A Nightmare On Elm Street" lmao
Sounds like they had him there so the CGI guys could copy his likeness so they could do the scene they actually wanted.
The studio didn't want to pay the actor for the extra scene of him fighting, It was cheaper for the studio to make the CGI than to pay Nicolas, Maybe they thought that once he agreed to be in the movie they were allowed to use his likeness however they wanted.
0:21 Idk why here Nicolas Cage sounds like he's doing a Nicolas Cage impression 😂😂
I would really like to see that scene with him saddened of the destruction of a universe with the suit on. I can just only imagine how cool it would look.
His description of what was supposed to happen would have been far superior. What a loss. I do love that suit.
It literally happened in the movie
As the other response to your comment says -- it did happen, they just added the spider because thats anyone knows about "Nick Cage as Superman", (made famous by the Kevin Smith interview), its ridiculous. It was originally supposed to be Sean Penn according to Kevin Smith - equally ridiculous. The spider seems to be the part that Nick doesn't understand.
This terrible sounding Tim Burton Superman movie was going to be all sorts of awful, with the producer insisting on Superman fighting a giant spider, not flying, and not being in his regular suit -- so i hate to break it to Nick Cage (as he seems nice), but if he hated that little snippet here, then he would have HATED the disaster that that Superman movie would have been.
The producer moved on to Wild Wild West where you get the fight with the giant mechanical spider - and the movie blows. A majority of us think the spider being added here is hilarious as an inside joke, because of the Kevin Smith story about not being able to finish the script because he had to add so much crazy ass stuff (including said spider), it made the story legendary. We wouldn't have even know about this fever dream of a movie script had it not been for the whole Spider story.
ruclips.net/video/Wo2KB1dEDdk/видео.html (to see Kevin talk about it)
I'm glad he actually explained what happened because that cameo just felt so out of place. Makes more sense when he explained what happened.
The description he gives of the scene he was cast to play sounds much more cinematically artistic than what the studio did with the computers.
Having worked in motion capture and developed animation software, I've never had a problem with using technology as a tool to transform the work of a human actor for the pupose of expanding their character range, (dragons, apes, no-human creatures, etc.). I don't have a problem with AI creating music, writing, or even acting, so long as it is done as an original work, making it an extension of the director or computer scientists creativity. I do have a problem with AI and other technologies being used to mimick or represent human actors without their consent. This is the technological equivalent of modifying someone's work to avoid copyright.
Exactly, AI is just a tool (or it should be), that means it's used to do more than was possible with out it, not replace actual work, skill, talent and vision. Cgi was and as noted here a tool improperly used much the same, rather than elevating what could be done in film with practical effect, or budget limitations, it became a corner cutting tool to "make it work" not the extention of medium expression it should be.
@@final_catalyst yeah I'm in the arts myself and I honestly see the benefit of AI. You can use it as like some kind of brainstorming aid to help formulate betters concepts. For example, you can have a conversation with any cheap/free AI chat bot as if you have a co-writer to bounce off from until you finally have a proper idea in your hands. Of course, you still also need to do the heavy lifting because AI tends to be weird when you aren't specific enough.
However, yes there is a horrible dark side, but I don't need to explain it because that's what everyone's talking about.
you are the problem! YOU! It will take away all of their jobs,dumbo. They got algorhytms that can write up a combo of any script in existance in last 2 centuries,and simply generate it. Will you pay billions of people who will lose jobs? Or millions of actors,writers?
I've been with Cage ever since Valley Girl. What a ride. Thanks, Mr. Cage.
The best ride!
You didn't like him in Fast Times, got it👍
@@Rowebot15 🤣😂🍔
@@Rowebot15 Vampires Kiss was epic
It was still comforting seeing what we all wanted to see for many years now
Nic Cage and Keanu Reeves need to be in a movie together... Make it happen.
That would either be the best movie ever or the worst movie ever depending on the director
Wick Rider
@@Geraldo_Rivian now that would be an interesting crossover event lol
Only if you asked nicely and not barking orders.
I love to see Nicholas Cage play Spectre the spirit of vengeance in James Gunn's DCU.
A very good character to do as well.
@@MKL3165 Nicholas said he wants to play Spectre.
@@tonyantonellis9983 would be great character and great way to help introduce a big bad in the DCU.
@@MKL3165 indeed.
I still can’t believe nobody ruined this for me at the time of release. One of the best kept secrets
Me too! That was an awesome surprise! I didn't realize he was fighting Jon Peters' giant spider until later though.
@@EGarrett01 Oh yeah, someone had to tell me about the spider later too lol
I am only say that without The Flash movie, we never have seen to Nic Cage being Superman. So thank you Andres Muschietti.
Its disrespectful. Having you on a set was just a gimmick it feels like. They just wanted to settle with CGI.
him giving praise to some lady who made a costume is that no one has ever heard of or thought about is such a nic cage thing to do. He loves making movies and appreciates everyone involved.
Honestly, I would love to see Nic Cage as Superman in full movie. Heck even in trilogy of movies. Because, if done right he can look great as Superman.
I wish the bluray had alternate takes like the original planned ending with keaton and supergirl but most of all to see actual Nick cage in the suit even if it's just him standing in a garage with green screen material lining the walls and a box fan to blow his cape and hair!
I can see how from the actor's perspective this is very terrifying. You shoot a scene and in the end studio can just do whatever they can with that footage with the help of CGI.
Wow... whoever did his recent hair restoration earned their money.
My man looks 20 years younger
I've never seen Cage so upset in an interview yet he''s still so composed. A very passionate artist.
“You’re feeding me trash!!!!”
Nick Cage ‘Renfield’
My favorite line from him🥳
I hope we get a Superman Lives movie in Theaters soon.
So thrilled, He's so honest with his opinion. I totally agree 👍
The giant spider fight thing is the best Kevin Smith reference ever
After all, Disney marketed the movie as “Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas” following the director's success with “Batman,” “Edward Scissorhands” and “Batman Returns.” And yet, it was Henry Selick who directed “Nightmare.”
Tim Burton came up with the story for "Nightmare" and he was supposed to direct it but couldn't due to scheduling issues with the production of "Batman Returns"
A certain sized-13 Doc Marten's boot hole in the wall says otherwise
I deeply understand his irritation at having what he did tossed aside, and... while beautifully done, replaced with his face pasted over something else.
I still want “Superman Lives”, please let Tim burton do it!!
No
Never going to happen at this point, James Gunn is the guy working on a new Superman
This comment makes me go back to the very ending of the Superman Lives documentary when Tim Burton says “Why are you trying to depress me so much? Does anybody have saline pill? Visit me when I’m 90 and I’ll be here “Still gonna make it… Gonna make it…”” 😅
In this interview Nick looks amazing with his mustache here , 20 yrs younger looking than his "Renfield" appearance , , , Mr Cage hope you are doing great , , ,and also its cool to see his alternate SUPERMAN as part of this FLASH movie 😸👍👍
He didn’t just witness the end of a fictional universe, He witnessed the end of the real world..
Love Nic. Maybe it didn’t turn out as expected but, I was just happy to see him in the Superman suit one of my favorite actors.
Would've been cool to have nic cage supes and Keaton bats in a scene together since they're tim Burton projects
Yes.
I legit cheered when I saw this, much to the confusion of my family who went with me. I don’t remember where I heard about “Superman Lives” or why I knew about Cage being Superman, but I was overjoyed seeing that scene.
Does anyone remember nicholas cage and the way he looked in a show called con air. i know superman is supposed to look a certain way. however, someone could make superman look more cool. and if they decided to do that. the way nicholas cage looked in the movie con air was really cool. that would make a really cool superman. i mean there are ton of other actors that would make a better superman. however, this would show that nicholas cage is more of a diverse actor than people realize. however, he is older now than when compared to when he starred in the movie con air.
Show? Lol
Con-air was a freakin excellent movie.
Ahh.. do I need to remind everyone that He had a mullet!
@@michaelharkness8724 Ikr. Superman had a mullet at one point but Id guess most fans don't want a fully movie of kryptonian mullet.
I remember people being up in arms about Michael Keaton being Batman and nobody thought he could pull it off. Ended up being one of the best Batman’s. Who’s to say Tim Burton wouldn’t have done the same with Nic on Superman Lives. Wish we could have gotten that one.
It’s way better for us fans to see him fighting that spider than just stand there. So CGI for the win!
I've never been big on superman but cage rockn the cape with longhair in a full fledge movie would be amazing.
Wow, it's almost like they just duped him to get him in the studio to get his likeness to stick in as a cameo... I don't see what the need was for him to even be in a suit, the whole thing looks artificailly put together and none of it seems "live action". It doesn' look like any part of it came from the lens of a camera and the emotions he was asked to convey definitely are not there...
The only explanation is that the concept for the scene has changed completely and I guess they didn't want to bother with a reshoot. But that's why it looks comical rather than profund and the fact that none of the filmmakers noticed is really sad.
This! Facts!
That's such incredible graphics!
This movie really pissed everyone off
I'd love to see him as Superman whether it be live action or animated version of Superman Lives
It's really heartbreaking when you try to give your best performance on set, then you watched the film and you got cgi'd instead. That's just outright disrespectful to Nick Cage or any actor/artist imo
That's class how he shouts out the costume designer finally having her work on the big screen
I thought his cameo as Superman was awesome in the movie. Better then what i expected.
Cage is looking good. I hope he makes more movies. He's still is in him prime.
Movies are video games now.
I would love if we were given Nicholas as Ultraman
nick looks very healthy
I am with Nick here. I wish we got the scene he shot. It sounds amazing.
that's so depressing to hear
One thing that bugged me about that scene is that they went to the trouble to get Nicolas Cage, and then the CGI effects were so heavy, they could have accomplished the exact same thing without him at all. The version we got on the screen was barely recognizable as Cage. What's the point of that?
They probably knew what was doing to happen and hired him on for a minimum so they could go through the motionsand still legally do what they wanted. They avoided a lawsuit as they did py him for the role. Perhaps his contract even included a clause to allow for his likeness to be used in that particular way.
Hearing this makes me think the cgi was even worse than i originally thought. If the characters actually looked terrified at the worlds colliding/destruction of the universe I'd of been like fine. Somehow we just got the characters looking into the camera like a 90s sitcom intro
Your description says it was an abandoned Kevin Smith Superman movie but it was actually Tim Burton. There are documentaries about the lost film on youtube.
Yes. Kevin was commissioned to write the script. The script had a battle with a giant mechanical spider at the insistance of producer John Peters.
Eventually Peters would get his wish of a hero squaring off with a giant mechanical spider in the summer flop "Wild Wild West".
I love this guy I know some laugh or make jokes in good fun but for me ever since I was little watching Raising Arizona everyday or going to see Adaptation in the theater he has and always will be my favorite actor!🎥🤯🔫
"Adaptation" is great.
"Bringing Out the Dead" is great.
"Mandy" is great.
Those are my favourite films with him.
That Nightmare Before Christmas example is really ironic
I really liked that scene when all the alternative universe heroes were shown.
Overall the movie wasn't as bad as people are saying. It was entertaining enough to not dislike it.
Doesn’t this mean Nick Cage has played Superman, Spider-man, and Ghost Rider. He was in Kick-Ass also.
Spider Man? Did he dub him in a cartoon or videogame? 🤔
@@alessandrobaggi6129 yeah he voiced SM Noir in Into the Spider-Verse
@@williamgragilla7007 I didn't know it. Thanks for the reply.
Poor Nic! He went to shoot an scene where he was seeing the destruction of the multiverse but instead now he gets to see the destruction of his cameo and a whole franchise!😢
Nicolas cage is the coolest guy I’ve ever met in my life
0:11 Was or wasn’t? Cuz it sounds like he said wasn’t at first but after the whole interview it sounds like he was on set for about 3 hours at least😅
Not going to lie I still find it satisfying that nick cage is relevant in the DC universe with the con air vibe I appreciate that and well at least he gets recognition for his part with auditioning
They should have just filmed Nic in the suit, I domt understandthis need to waste time time and money de-aging and whatever the hell else. cage in this interview looks great he would have been fine in a scene as Superman
Would like to see the scene that nic cage filmed for the flash one day and see if it warranted replacing with the cgi scene we actually saw
Is there any other interviews with actors expressing their opinion on using their CGI or Deepfake image? This should be talked more. I don't necessarly oppose it (it's not my face), but we need to have this conversation. The closest thing I've seen so far was this interview and episode 1 of Black Mirror season 6.
I can't name any specific interviews offhand, but it was one of the big points in the SAG strike. Among other things, the studios were trying to claim the automatic right to the images of actors in perpetuity for use in future CGI/AI "performances" as part of the standard acting contract (not just big stars, but across the board) and SAG was holding a hardline position against it and ended up winning in that point.
I respect the way he shows appreciation for all the other people responsible for creating the films he's in.
Hot take, i actually loved the brief scene of him fighting the spider. Felt like a nice tribute to what could've been with tim burtons superman.
While I love Nick Cage in a lot of his flicks I really didn't want to see him as Superman... It just didn't fit for me.
At the time, I certainly felt that way as well. Now, though, I find myself wishing it had been made because I think it would have been bonkers. Could have become one of those "so bad, it's good" kind of movies.
As someone who has a very small channel with AI content I totally understand where Cage is coming from with his and other artist's disdain of AI. Likeness can be stolen and used in inappropriate ways and without monetary compensation to the artist. This is specifically why I don't sell anything I do with it or pass it off as legitimate. I also think it has a long way to go before you really can't tell the difference between what's real and what's not. Rendering deepfakes takes an extremely long time to do semi-convincingly and there is an art in of itself in the process. AI voices have many tell-tale glitches in the model which I know from experience. It's not as easy to get things sounding all that real even with real-time voice changers. You still have to try and do an impression and if your voice model is lacking it won't sound good or convincing. So again, there is art to even using AI. Songs are pretty scary though...I created one for one of my videos with my own lyrics using AI and if the quality was better and the structure was more consistent you almost couldn't tell. But anyway, I think there is a place for the AI stuff for someone that wants to satire something but has no budget to hire VAs or anything. I also think it should be labeled clearly as AI and not sold commercially.
We need an animated movie of his superman
If you look close enough and hear his demeanor, he is pissed and trying to control himself to not lash out on what they did using his face.
I always thought Cage having long hair was his private haircut at that time (maybe for another role) during the rehearsel. Or was it intended for the superman role?
I agree with nick on the Suit being able to get another chance to shine they really did go all out for that movies CGI
He sounds aggravated about it, and i stand by it
Nicolas Cage fighting the GIANT SPIDER was one of the best parts!!! This scene should become a limited comic book series at DC. Most certainly a Win-Win idea. ☕🗽🇺🇸
I like how he is more concerned about the costume designer's creation being seen than he is his own screen time.
one thing is for certain. nic cage superman, regardless of it successful or failure, wouldve been a legendary film and have a massive cult following and debate throughout the generation.
Nic cage 😢😢 my childhood hero, you are the best man we really miss you 🤜🏾🤜🏾
I remember back in 1998 when I was a little youth me and my friend who was much older than me discussing and imagining Nicholas Cage as superman wirh his long hair and in superman costume... Today I've seen it and my imagination wasn't to far off 😊