What I really hated about Pleasure Island is that instead of punishing children for being genuinely bad kids (smoking, drinking alcohol, destroying property) they're essentially punishing kids for average kid things like eating candies and drinking soda.
Modern Disney is so sanitized and squeaky clean they can't even show protagonists behaving badly when it's crucial to the basic story structure. Can you imagine what a Disney adaptation of Lord of the Flies or A Clockwork Orange would look like?
Yeah especially because this is going to be a much darker film being set in Italy during the second World War and the Italians were part of the Nazi Empire in the Second World War
@@williampulfer-melville8536 Technically Italy was part of the Axis Powers with Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire, so allied with the nazis but controlled by their own fascist government.
Considering, none of the same people work there, it is a completely different company. Despite people's views of Michael Eisner in his later years with the company, he did manage to bring back Disney to something people loved after the decline it went through for fifteen to twenty years after Walt Disney died.
previous one was managed by an artist that wanted to tell stories and actually cared about animation, current one is a business man whose sole goal in existence is to make as much money as possible regardless how , even if it means sucking the life off of classics
My Dad was a huge fan of the original Pinocchio when he was young, he literally fell asleep in theaters when we watched the remake and when I woke him up and told him it was done he said: Good
@@My20GUNS That is really common with Disney live action films. And the 'live action film' that is actually an animated film, The Lion King. As well as a lack of understanding of several aspects of animation, which really help out anything involving animation, including CGI.
The Conflicting Morals part made me realize this new trend in visual storytelling of stripping characters of their agency. They can't be flawed and have their bad behaviours punished, they have to be victimized in order to gain sympathy from the audience and potentialize the villain's threat.
Because if you ever said the N word in your life as a young kid you deserve to burn in Hell forever. Geez and I thought the original Pinocchio story was supposed to be a Calvinist fever dream.
@@SlapstickGenius23 some would call it a Woke Code, but honestly it is more of a Spineless Narcissist Code - where no one can take responsibility or agency for their own actions, let alone be allowed to make them in some cases, and the ego can do no wrong because they were a "Mary Sue that Everyone Loved and Respected From the Start For Almost No Reason"
In this regard, this is something I really like about Lucky Luke. In the early days he was huge smoker, but at some point they had to remove the cigarette of course... BUT! Instead of pretenting like cigarettes don't exist, they actually made it part of his character. No matter if comic, tv show or movie, there a lot of moments where they refer to the time where he used to smoke, with Lucky often responding how difficult it was for him to quit. It addes so much personality to him.
most likely outsourced to independent people, this happens a lot with games now especially (It's the reason Halo infinite is so broken). so yes, each artist most likely was given a concept and guidelines, but would have used their own resources (textures, ect..) to make each asset. This is how you get artistic inconsistency, since each artist has their own workflows and design choices. in fact, I would not be surprised if this is the reason why some characters are high detail, while others are not. most likely smaller assets (like the clocks) were outsourced to cheaper artists and hence look cheap.
@some people deserve to be humbled 4 good there's a visual aesthetic reason why she's blonde too. It's not racist to say it looks best when she's blonde. it's a visual aesthetic
@some people deserve to be humbled 4 good Imagine all races now demanding a representation in every single character ever made, instead of simply making new ones...
Another thing I find annoying about the pleasure island scene is how Pinocchio is clearly not having fun and arguing with lampwick about how what he’s doing is bad. It makes way more sense in the original where he just goes along with whatever lampwick is doing. Pinocchio is literally like two days old. He doesn’t have a sense of morality yet, that’s why he needs jiminy. It doesn’t make sense for him to be such a goody two-shoes if he’s never been taught the difference between right and wrong.
I think Disney's idea here is "wE can't HaVe thE protaGONisT aCt bad bEcaus3 chIlDrEN arE clEarLY gOIng to CopY LitERAly eVerTHIng They sEe oN Tv" like I saw swearing on TV when I was younger and I didn't swear.
Here's the thing: if Pinocchio has such a firm moral compass already, then why on earth does Jiminy need to exist? He essentially does nothing now, except for narration purposes.
I have a few things to point out why the 1940's is far better at telling it's story than the remake. When the audience first hears about Pleasure island, it's not when Pinocchio hears it, it's in a meeting in a tavern with Honest John and the Coachman. The way Honest John reacts in fear at the thought of pleasure island sets the audience up to know something is wrong about that place. Because it was discussed between the three of them in a shady tavern, it's implied that only these three know the true nature of the island. So when you see Pinocchio getting tricked into going to pleasure island, it's because John is getting paid to round of kids. The audience then finds out WHAT exactly is wrong with pleasure island when Jiminy Cricket finds out the kids are turning into donkies and runs off to save Pinocchio before it's too late. THIS SETS UP THE URGENCY OF THE NEXT SCENE which is when Lampwick transforms. THIS IS WHY THE SCENE IS SO TERRIFYING. The audience has been prepped to experience this trama. In the remake, if an audience member has never seen the original. The donkey transformation comes out of the blue. Sure Jiminy Cricket sees the donkys being carted away, but never discovers why there are so many donkies. The only reason the audience thinks pleasure island is bad is because Gepedo finds out Pinocchio went to pleasure island and is like "OH NO I HAVE TO GET HIM BACK!" This again implies that the LOCALS KNOW ABOUT PLEASURE ISLAND. AND THEY DO NOTHING TO STOP THE COACHMAN ROUNDING THEM UP.
Lampwick's hyperventilating transitioning into frantic donkey brays as he completely loses it is genuinely one of those most distressing things I've ever seen. While I kinda wish they had kept the scene where he helps Pinocchio escape from the island I think it's genuinely more terrifying that he's just left to his fate and him having a panic attack is the last we ever see of him.
THIS!! You made exquisitely right points in your explanation! I remember being absolutely horrified when watching the original scene, I actually bursted into tears because I was so scared. The remake on the other hand..... I almost laughed out loud when Lampwick transformed, first of all because there was no real reason for him to change, since he was only drinking "RoOt BeEr" instead of actual alcohol and smoking, but what got me were the "screams"; they were pathetic and seemed just too comical to convey the terror of a child turning into a donkey
Honestly at this point, the only reason why the real live action remakes are being made in my opinion is because it makes you feel more thankful, that there is a better and less cash grabby version of it
Pinocchio 1940: The scene with Lampwick turning into a donkey was made terrifying in order to effectively drive home the message to kids about how bad drugs and alcohol are. Pinocchio 2022: The scene with Lampwick turning into a donkey was censored and stripped of any terror or maturity because Disney thought children couldn't handle it.
@@gattzflappa6306 wait wait wait wait WAIT!!! Please say sike right fucking now!!! God fucking damnit I don't wanna have one of my favourite shows get fucking butchered by Disney...
The fox is the best thing about the move imo. It's like proof of concept how The Lion King would have worked with realistic but more expressive looking animals.
I'm an easy going fellow. I see Nigerians cast in european roles and characters. I continue on with life knowing that such turds really only exist if we will them to.
Same, I loved him. He was the closest to the original for me, and his voice matched and he looked fantastic. It's like they used all the budget on him then forgot they needed to do the other characters.
The thumbnail for this being Pinocchio gleefully squatting over a massive pile of horseshit and happily inhaling it pretty much sums up the entire state of the Disney company at this point. Brilliant thumbnail.
The horse-turd represents any new product from Disney nowadays, Pinocchio sniffing it represents what few consumers they have left who will unquestioningly consume any crap they put out.
I think Disney buying out their competition and basically becoming a megacorp means they can churn out whatever movie they want and they don't need to even care about quality and it will still sell millions or even billions. I'm happy people are being more critical over their movies now. Maybe now Disney will start caring about the quality over the quantity of their movies.
In the Guillermo Del Toro version coming out, it is implied that Gepetto had a son who passed away and he made Pinocchio to cope with his loss, and now he hosted the spirit of his son. It works with the dark fairy tale and Del toro’s dark esthetic.
Please let his version absolutely destroy this hollow cash grab... Disney is artistically done, and has been outside of some accidents here and there for a while.
@@VCV95 They are both coming out to streaming sevices so the competition will primarily be on the critic and audiences review scores and on that end Disney already set the bar really low. Disney totally released this remake this year to try to take the wind out of Del Toro's sail, now when people search up Del Toro's version they'll see both their versions too. The whole thing gives me huge Alladin vs The Thief and the Cobbler vibes.
And isnt the story happening during Mussolini's govertment? The wonderfull dark fantasy aspect with some facism and war drama on top of it, a classic Del Toro movie
@@theprinceofawesomeness I'm leaning towards them intentionally putting in the horse manure as their way of letting us know we can get you to watch anything at least once.
Literally the few positive story changes in this version of Pinocchio (him staying a puppet, Geppetto having lost his son and making a marionette to resemble him, etc etc) Guillermo Del Toro did the same but actually went into depth about it. Definitely watch his version, it’s totally unique and not just a soulless cash grab remake
Like Geppetto’s throwaway line about wanting Pinocchio to be like someone else is LITERALLY one of the main plot points of Guillermo’s film. It tells a more interesting story with a much better moral
The Guillermo Del Toro Pinocchio was great. The characters had depth and were well thought out, their motivation made sense. It was a beautiful retelling of the story. Pinocchio had so much chaotic good energy 😂
@@williampulfer-melville8536 he breaks a leg and I think fish eat his "Donkey body" allowing him to return to "normal", at least in the book I read, might not have been the original though
I'm still shook by the quality of animation from the fox and his sidekick. It's like the only highlight of the film and it makes me wonder if the animator responsible for them has a vendetta against the Lion King CGI animation with how detailed he made these animals
It has nothing to do with any vendetta. The point is its all about agendas. If you do this or that which was not in the book the original Pinnochio films were based on then you are making a morally wrong decision.The idea is to brainwash the kids to conform to slave morality and inside - the box thinking. The Grand Unified Field Theory of physics suggests that to be able to solve a difficult problem, you have to think outside of any box. The creator of the original Pinnochio story wanted children to be free so they could go to school to learn to learn, not to be brainwashed. John Dewey wanted the same. A society where everyone has the opportunity to be educated.
What i find funny Is that at 24:15 you practically described del toro's version of the Plot wich just goes to show that it was, in fact, a much better direction to take the story into
I was looking for this comment!!!! I also find it weird that everything most critics complain about is the similarities of the 2 not working for Disney lol Examples: the monkey vs the puppeteer, the og son, staying a puppet, the speedboat joke, lying to escape. Might just be me tho…
The Monstro chase scene was the first one I saw, and it honestly was worse than anything I could have ever imagined. The original scene is a masterpiece of tension - as Steve said, the power imbalance is what really makes you worry for Pinocchio and his family, and how hard Pinocchio tries to save them despite the odds is a huge part of the movie's message about selflessness and courage. And then they go and turn it into "Pinocchio turns into an overboard engine to escape a kaiju masquerading as a whale". This movie is a testament to what Disney has become: a sterile, empty, heartless version of itself.
It's sure that Disney pass a mixed period currently, but the Remakes movies are a small part of all the productions of the society. What about Raya and the Last Dragon, Encanto and all the others recents animated movie he done ? And what about all the animated series for the small screen who are as important than the big movies themselves too ? And the live action movies who aren't remakes such Chip N Dale Rescue Ranger Live Action movie ? Honestly, you all forget about the general body of the company to focus only on a single limb of him. Disney is always as productive, fertile and hearthwarming than he always was, it's just that, like everybody on Earth, he do errors, even at repetition, on a precise thing. Thinking that the next case will be better than the previous one even if it's not always the case. Will all, us, do or have done that in our live as person. Plus, not all the Remakes are garbage. There a good bunch who are correct, very enjoyable and even ultra edited from the originals (Maleficient, Dumbo, Beauty and the Beast, for example).
@@dudotolivier6363 you know Disney the person is gone, right? You keep calling Disney a He, but it's a corporation. They're no single person making any decisions.
As a kid I interpreted the Blue Fairy's comment about the last time she could help him being more of a warning that this was his last chance and that after that she wouldn't be willing to fix all of his problems with magic. When she came to him as a dove to drop the note it wasn't so much as fixing everything for him as it was guiding him to make the right choice - it was kind of necessary to move the story forward by having somebody tell them what had happened to Gepetto. The Fairy could've gotten rid of his donkey parts and placed Gepetto on the doorstep but for obvious reasons didn't. Also, even though I can respect the new version taking a different tack with the real boy thing, but what I always got from the 1940 version is that the goal of being a real boy is just a metaphor - in terms of all of the things he does, mistakes me makes etc, Pinocchio always behaved as any child would do, and in a sense was always a real boy from the beginning. His literal transformation at the end is payoff for the audience since his acts of bravery and compassion 'completed' him even though the audience subconssciously knows that this human form was always who he was deep down. It's a similar thing in the Wizard of Oz where the heart, brain and courage etc weren't meant to be literal rewards, but a sly comment on how often what we percieve to be lacking in we already have.
You beat me to it because I was thinking the same thing. Also I would have to disagree with the whole "in the original, he was a dumbass." Because to me at least, he was just misguided and didn't know. Hence why jimity was around to tell him what's right and what's wrong. Also pinocchio just came to life "child" and for him to become a true child ( a real boy ) he had to earn it by being a good child. I believe the blue fairy even states this. So by the time he gets caged up pinocchio basically fucked up and the blue fairy gave him a second chance to correct his actions. so by the time we get to pleasure Island; pinocchio gets a wake up call that he's about to fuck up again when all the children were becoming donkeys or become asses of themselves for misbehaving because donkeys are also called asses; so it's metaphor. That's when pinocchio gets his shit together and try to do the right thing and earns his reward.
@@gretelcorrales1779 I agree, I kinda think people have missed understood naive, dumb, or ignorance. This is just my understanding of the words. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Naive: just didn't know about something Dumb: does know it but doesn't quite comprehend it. This word kinda varies on the situation. Ignorance: does know about it but either choices to go against it or refuses to act about it.
It could also be interpreted as her not actually helping him when she gives him the letter.... (She was helping the boys father instead, Pinniochio seeing this as aid was irrelevant to this.)
I mean the last time they did one, it underperfomed at the box office. As a company more about business than anything else, that was probably a sign that hand drawn films just aren't profitable anymore to them. Plus anything 2d doesn't do well on the big screen here in the United States of America. Part of that has to do with the stigma that has developed around animated works here. Animation has been for a long time, viewed as something that only children can enjoy, and when Disney attempted 2d animation again back in 2009, it flopped due to that stigma. It also flopped due to the 3d and CGI craze, which sucked away a lot of the potential audience away from the film. Not to mention any attempts with 2d animation for a theatrical release have just flopped due to multiple factors, but the main one seems to be either lack of advertising or a lack of interest from the majority of US Citizens who don't have an interest in animation. Heck, there's a reason they advertised the lion king remake as live action when it was actually all CGI. Live-action mixed with CGI appeals to a larger audience than solely Animation alone.
@@michaellarose4913 I think its generational to a degree. I definitely see it changing eventually with the booming popularity of anime and manga in the states and the success of adult oriented animation like Arcane and Invincible. Teens and young adults today will have a completely different perception of this stuff than previous generations
@@michaellarose4913 are you talking about Treasure Planet? I believe another significant part of it's failure was because it was not properly advertised to get as many viewers as it could. As far as I know today, many people would not mind a 2D animation again or just something that isn't a remake. However most people I've talked to about it are like me, people born around 2004, where the economic problems at the time slowed things down so we would grow up watching some of the older stuff from the 90s and many old classic Disney works.
I personally interpret the Blue Fairy “not helping Pinocchio” in the original as in not helping get him out of trouble he blunders into without first consulting his conscience. When it finally dawned on him how badly he let himself get tricked by Honest John again on Pleasure Island, Pinocchio left the island of his own volition and made no more excuses for his behavior, and soon after wanted to make up for his mistakes by saving his father (which admittedly was also his fault). And so the Fairy threw him a bone by telling him about Monstro.
Alternatively maybe she didn't do that to help Pinochio, but rather his father.... (Sending him to help someone else might not count as her breaking her word to never help him out of trouble, as he wasn't in any actual trouble, his father was..... )
It wasn't really helping Gepetto either, since she could've probably done it herself. She was simply informing Pinnochio of what happened, letting him make the choice for himself.
yea, that was never a major plothole for me.. . i mean we all say lots of things (especially with little kids) so they're not RELYING on us to always be there to make it all better, but behind the scenes we all know she's in his corner and got his back..
Even then in regards to the fairy in Stromboli’s cart, she could have fixed his nose and taught him the lesson, but then just not let him out saying he would have to figure a way out on his own, and by so saying imply there was a way to get out but he would have to do it. And honestly I am not a fan of the random dove bringing a note, all you need is some random townsperson to tell him that monstro may have gotten him as it is important that pinnochio is made aware of monstro to raise the stakes and force pinnochio to make a choice about saving Gepetto in the face of danger.
I actually laughed when Lampwick turned into a donkey in The Disney Remake of Pinnochio. Because he was simultaneously over the top and somehow casual about turning into a donkey at the same time It was actually FUCKING HILARIOUS
American movies usually don't count swearing as swearing if it's in a different language, so I imagine "bollocks" is allowed since it's not common slang over here.
Geppetto: "Here, take this!" *Throws log and it smacks Pinocchio on the head* Me: Heh. Cute. Geppetto: "I hit my wooden boy on the head with a piece of wood." Me: Way to kill the slightest of humorous jokes, Disney.
Ties into Steve’s point about most of the jokes in the original being visual gags rather than shoehorned one-liners. That would’ve been a really simple but effective joke that’s also a nod to how the original approached humor. But it had to be ruined by over explaining
19:53 Moral is that it's ok to lie just so long as you get what you want. That's basically Disneys core philosophy (and other corporations). Lie, cheat and steal as long as you turn a profit.
I always thought that the Blue Fairy helped Pinnochio was due to him genuinely looking for his father. Whereas, her stern "This is the last time I'm helping you" is usually said when you're constantly getting into trouble that you're taking part of. Shown as how she never shown up when the donkey transformation was happening. So, she did keep to her word in a sense. It's kinda like how one of your parents will be stern with you about an issue, then turn around and aid you when they notice you're genuinely trying.
Actually, I like this idea where the blue fairy comes back and Pinocchio pleads with her to tell her where his father is and she decides to help him since his wish comes from a selfless desire to help Gepetto
Let me get this straight: They turned Pinocchio - a story about a new born boy (basically a baby when you think about it) learning the importance of listening to your conscience and that your actions of consequences - into a story about about, what? The dangers of peer pressure? I mean... I guess that's fine, but that doesn't really flow well when Pinocchio is kicked out of school, affirming to him that his only chance at success is to go with the fox and cat. And they turned Monstro into what is essentially the whale variant of a Lusca (For those that aren't aware, a Lusca is a shark/octopus hybrid from Caribbean folklore). Cool in concept, but I agree that it ruins the character, since Monstro isn't evil. He's just a whale doing whale things. Oh, and in America "Bollocks" isn't even a swear word. It's on the same level as saying "balls".
@@ketaminepoptarts the thing is, CGI is amazing, when used properly. CGI should be used as a tool, to do things you could never do in real life. These days most studios use it as a shortcut, to do things that easily could have been done with physical props
What you said about the blue fairy and Disney marketing perfectly hit the nail on the head. Disney does not care about diversity at all they care about is making profits and know that race swapping fairies and mermaids is just bait to get people to argue and the arguments become news media stories which boosts even more attention to film.
Very true, and I’m not arguing your point. I just want to ad to your point that the wokeness, despite creating attention and interaction online, does actively hurt sales as Lightyear bombed hard and Disney revenue is going down. We were locked in our homes for a year and Disney’s stock has absolutely crashed. They went from $196 per share down to $97. They lost $10-15 just from announcing the new woke Mermaid movie. They got attention, they didn’t get money. Disney imo is not going bankrupt, but they will get very close before they realize their marketing and sales team has been lying to them :/
It isn't just because it gets people talking, because even if people talk about something, it doesn't mean they will watch it or pay for it. Especially when there is so much BAD publicity, one film after another. They race-swap because it is the laziest way of complying with the ESG criterias all companies have to follow in this new stakeholder capitalism. They are basically diversity quotas and crap like that they need to fill. So instead of creating new side-characters or make new stories (= be creative), they race- and gender-swap a lot. It is a woke virus, and it is not good for business as they are losing money on it and angering more people. Then they push their agenda and blame fans for being racists, etc., to try to save face.
There's a Japanese version of Pinocchio, which has been translated into 30 languages including Afrikaans, which played on South African televisions in the 1970's and even I grew up with it being born in 2002 and all. That was 52 episodes long and made Pinocchio go through a lot of moral changes through selflessness and courage and learning about the world, and they expanded the universe a lot. Yet with all the on-goings in that series, changes in characters and story, it still stayed more true to the original Disney Movie than this one!!!
That sounds fantastic. Buratino and the Golden Key by Lev Tolstoi is the very first book that I read on my own. As a long-time Pinocchio fan, what's the name of the series, please?
And it was dark af, too. There’s some serious weight to every dumb choice Pinocchio makes in that series. To the point that he gets shot to death by an army in the last episode. And yes, the guy who created Speed Racer drew that version.
It makes me appreciate the original more, knowing the fact that Disney never learns their mistakes and destroys the core elements of what made their OGs so iconic and unique. Which is why I'm excited to see Guillermo del Toros motion take of the characters story and concept.
@@davidthecommenter I didn't reply to you. It's just that stupid RUclips gives you notifications when someone replies to someone you replied to too. Now let's point and laugh at how dumb RUclips is and then go hate on Netflix.
I think that's the idea. They keep making crappier versions so the fans can buy the original with a fancy DVD case. Those "signature movies" are more pricey
The really stupid thing about changing the beer to root beer and excluding the cigars for me is, with the original, I assumed that's how the kids got turned into donkeys. That there was some potion inside. That would explain why Pinocchio only got ears and a tail because he stopped drinking and smoking after witnessing the other boy start to change.
The original idea of Jiminy Crickets animation was to make him cute and they knew he didn't quite look like a cricket. That's why they tell the audience what he is and we buy it. Figaro should have looked more cartoonish. Had they listened to the interviews of the original animators and Walt Disney, this movie would have worked.
You can also thank Disney's animator Ward Kimball (one of the 9 Old Med) for bringing him to life. He was about to leave studio when his Soup Eating scene in Snow White was cut cause it wasn't necessary in the films plot, he was very distraught. But Walt offered him the position to be the Supervising Animator on Jiminy Cricket and thus we got a memorable character and one of Disney's best animators ever.
I always took the idea of the original film is that there are terrible people out there, and they don't always get caught. That the only way to avoid becoming one of their victims is to be as good a person as possible.
Ya seeing just the little bit of it again for the first time in almost 20 years re-disturbed me and reminded me why I didn't watch it much as a kid. It was just a lot darker and more upsetting than most of the other Disney movies..
As an American, I can honestly say my understanding of the word ‘bollocks’ was that it was just a funny British word people say when they’re funny British frustrated, and it never really occurred to me to inquire as to its actual meaning until recently. So that might have something to do with it…
I agree with you about the fairy, actually. its the same with randomly adding lgbt side characters for one or two scenes. its not because Disney actually cares about these minorities or the communities belonging to those minorities; they are partaking in corporate virtue signaling because they know how audiences will react. either good reactions or bad reactions will still draw attention to the films. disney isn't "woke". they just know how to market.
Yeah tbh, I can't even say this is good representation or anything since she is only in the movie in one scene and never again, completely cut out of her major roles in the movie besides the beginning Also they gave her a straight up Halloween costume, with fake wings and a glittery dress you would find for some cheap cosplay. She doesn't look like mystical being but like she's cosplaying as a fairy
I would not call angering a significant chunk of your audience "Good Marketing" I agree that the higher ups in Disney may not give a crap and are just pandering but alot of the actual creatives have insanely radical political ideas that they keep shoving into everything. It's not a coincidence that they recast the circus owner as another straight white male.
I didn’t bother even trying to watch this and don’t ever plan on it. I instead watched Guillermo Del Toro’s Pinocchio which was a masterpiece and a pleasure to watch.
Geppetto letting Pinocchio go to school alone makes even less sense in this version since it's established he's not a new parent. He has experience raising a child and should know better.
Which means he should be more careful taking care of his son that literally brought back to life and should be unwilling to lose him again by any chances! Well, that settles it, Geppetto is a terrible father.
The fact that Pinocchio is entirely CGI really makes any physical interaction look absolutely terrible, because there's obviously no physical stand-in that the CGI is placed onto.
The Sonic movies did this correctly where it is much more believable that they are interacting with real world objects. It seems like Paramount keeps one-uping Disney...minus the Halo series....We don't talk about that.
@@caritahearts2405 Jesus, do you think Disney is made of money or something? It's a small independent studio after all. Meanwhile you have this big budget Del Toro guy flexing with all his money with real props, don't know why everyone bullies the underdog.
I will admit, the visuals of the fox are absolutely breathtaking. I would go as far as to say almost real looking. So props to the cgi and art team on that account.
I heard speculation on the internet about Fox's model being from a scrapped Robin Hood remake. Hence the difference in quality. I am glad it is most likely not true, because it would mean that a whole project of THAT level was turned down in favor of this mediocre movie.
So mad how many of the things you mentioned that would have improved this film like, them deciding to keep Pinocchio a puppet or Geppetto resenting Pinocchio at first to give him more of a reason to leave and not attend school were done in Guillermo Del Toros Pinocchio! That whole production seemed to really get Pinocchio and the morals of the story. Amazing how two films about the same thing released in the same year can be so different! The Netflix version is so thoughtful and well done compared to the Disney money grab.
These godawful movies only make me appreciate traditional animation so much more. Also, my 3rd grade teacher read us the original Pinocchio book in class, and that was a beautifully dark journey! I don't think even Del Toro's version will quite be that dark (but damn am I still looking forward to his movie, because I also love me some stop-motion goodness!)
"Bullocks" isn't a curse word here in the US. Same with "wanker", I'm pretty sure. They're seen as "silly British words" if anything. Which is _wild_ because that'd be like if a children's movie made in the UK just casually dropped the word "cunt" in the middle of a happy-go-lucky musical number and then we aired it uncensored here in the States.
I feel like you could write a whole essay about something like that. "Is a curse word from a different language/dialect okay to use?" The only reason it seems to be okay is because "no one will get it. At least not the children".
How many times does Ron Weasley say "bloody hell" in the Potter films. That would sure get your backside warmed with a paddle if an American child said it. At least it would back in the day when I was growing up! But "bullocks"? Just a nonsense word.
@@chereecargill355 It’s Bollocks and it means testicles, it’s not a nonsense word. It’s usually used when a situation has gone bad, although if someone says “The Dog’s Bollocks” that actually means it’s a good thing.
I have to admit - the scene where Geppetto hits Pinocchio with the anchor in Monstro actually got an out loud laugh from me. It was just so sudden and the thunk of it making contact just caught me so off guard.
@@avro683lancaster7 Yeah, I think his line kind of ruins it. I laughed at the actual act of him throwing the anchor on him, I almost didn't notice his added comment.
I was at my dad's house last night, and he put on Little Mermaid for my neices and nephews to watch. I haven't seen it in probably 20 years. The animation is so beautiful! It's sad that animation isn't made that way anymore.
22:11 I'd say that in the US, "Bollocks" is just chalked up to be "funny british word" that cartoon characters say. My own personal exposure to the word growing up in America was most definitely in cartoons, or at the very least casual family friendly TV. If there was ever a british stereotype in a show, it's likely they'd say bollocks, as well as like, balderdash or beans on toast. So you were right in assuming that it doesn't carry much weight here, I didn't even learn what it meant until I was an adult
I want to say that making the cricket the Ghost of Christmas Past in Mickey's Christmas Carol was a masterstroke in storytelling and just fits like a glove.
How I would fix the movie: 1. Have the Blue Fairy narrate the story (instead of getting rid of her after 10 minutes) 2. Have the Blue Fairy free Pinocchio from his cage in secret. 3. Have Honest John and Gideon trick Pinocchio into visiting Pleasure Island, but when they find out what happens there they get a change of heart and actually help save the children. 4. Instead of root beer, have the Coach Master give the kids a "special drink" for grown ups thats really a potion that turns the them into donkeys.🍸 5. Keep the ending the same as the original. 6. *NO POINTLESS EXTRA CHARACTERS!*
Also, in the original, Honest John and his cat do seem hesitant once the coach master tells them his whole plans. Basically, the Fox not being comfortable with the pleasure island is in the original, so having the Fox turn around and help is in character.
In the original the kids that turned into donkeys were punished for an ACTUALLY good reason. In the remake it just feels like the equivalent of current-year parents banning their kids from watching spongebob in their home
The kids basically get punished for going to Disney World and stuffing their faces with candy. And Pinocchio, who goes along but in this version is too much of a goody-two-shoes to even enjoy himself there, gets punished simply for associating with the kids who ARE having fun. Thanks for the pro-Puritan message, Disney!
@@youraftermyrobotbee exactly. The voice acting and behavior for him was super bad. The emotional bit was hardly even trying to tear up the audience. He was like “father! Please don’t die! I must sting a song that was earlier in the movie in an attempt to move the audience”. Stop trying disney, it isn’t working
I'm so confused, and it's so ironic...but why not make Pinocchio a real puppet? Use CGI to get rid of the strings, add facial features and minor touches? There's some phenomenal puppeteers. Another nice touch and life lesson would be that he has to learn to take care of himself; that scrapes and splinters can easily worsen to be a big problem. Could have been perfect for the lady with the travelling show, if she maintains the puppets. Imagine the horror of him finding a rotten and mouldy puppet that she explains got water damage that Stromboli just never dealt with. Gives more reason for him wanting to be a real boy, I assume his limbs can't just be replaced, ties in with her prosthetic...Ship of Theseus questions
I heard once Disney prefers CGI because make up artists and puppeteers have unions and have to be well paid, while VFX artists are not and can be easily exploited
The problem of Pinocchio staying as a puppet is that the change itself isn't a reward, but an allegory for his good actions MAKING him a real boy in a literal sense.
In the actual tale by Collodi, Geppetto actually refers to a family name, and he says that he met a lot of Pinocchio's in his life, and he considers the name lucky, since the richest of them was a beggar and not a thief. It probably it is also a multi layered joke since pino is diminutive of Giuseppe, as Geppetto, but also pine, and that peculiar family name could mean son of pino or "pinolo" aka pine seed... Pine which is referred as the kind of wood used for making Pinocchio, then it roughly would translated as son of pine or son of Giuseppe. Which is funny ad adorable in my opinion.
And once again Steve, You've hit the nail square on the head with this one! Not a single thing missed or glossed over. Brilliant review. The original Disney Animation from 1940 is an absolute favorite of Mine and will forever hold a very special place in My heart.
Regarding "bollocks": definitely a cultural difference. In the US, this isn't really a swear, and we don't use it much. For us it's akin to bloody or blimey, sort of like "tee hee funny British word that's a bit rude". Very cool to hear that it's a serious swear for y'all though, the more you know
actually something I hadn't noticed before but another reviewer has, the Blue Fairy's screen time is actually cut down to just that one scene where she's there because her role was cannibalized by the inclusion of Sophia the seagull and that other character who worked for Stromboli, both of them not doing much of anything in the actual movie with Sophia just being a plot device and that girl not even doing anything of importance so that her scenes can easily be cut out for what I can only assume is so chinese audiences wouldn't see those scenes of dark skinned people in their movie
Remember that it's important above all else to the Woke to tailor THE MESSAGE to what is politically correct in the region! In the West, we are institutionally racist against white people, so get the dark in! In China...
9:15 Your analysis on disney race-swapping casting is perfect and makes so much sense. Honestly, these scumbags, and the rest of hollywood know it gets them publicity (bad or whichever) and that's why they do it.
@@DWN-024ShadowMan You and me both, friend. I am black and I cannot tell you how insulting it feels when hollywood does that race-swapping thing and tries topass it off as "diversity". Plus, Little Mermaid is one of my all-time favorite movies and I will be damned before I give disney money for a crappy version.
They did the same thing with Jake From State Farm when they made him their official mascot I have nothing against the actor (he actually does a pretty good job) but the decision to recast him felt odd
Hey, work is work; voice actors typically don't get the recognition--or the salaries--of their live action counterparts. His voice work here is the best thing about the film IMO.
You're spot on about Disney not giving an S about "diversity", it just a tool for them, especially to counter any criticism as racism; sexism etc. I can understand (through spit on) Disney crapping out "live action" remakes to make money, but why take all the moral lessons of the story and flush them down the bog? Maybe the bollocks thing is like wanker, US don't seem to realise how strong of a swear it is in UK. I was took back when they said it in The Simpsons and when Marge points out a bathing suit with a starfish on the fanny, lol, very different context there.
But that is the reason they are criticized for their "diversity" checkboxing, BECAUSE it's so insencere and just a tool. We can't exactly commend them for doing that, can we? I can't see how it legitimizes their casting decisions in any way if they are just fan-baiting for extra publicity. It's pretty despicable.
@@MariaIsabellaZNN Not exactly, it's part of it and the company promoting it as "diverse" etc. it a big red flag that the movie will be crap. Either because the people working on it are zealots for the new religion or those trying to put in as little effort as possible and deflect ANY criticism of the films many other flaws as simply racist etc. as stated above. But yes, either way it's despicable.
@@j.j.hayden9461 but if it was really about marketing how come its mostly wytie they keep targeting yes i know a bad guy was race swap to wyite but then again they most likely did it cause he was a villian and non wyite
@@Steven9567 Because they believe that's what people want, or rather what people should want. They believe they're smarter than everyone who isn't in their religion and that they (being so virtuous) need to "educate" the peasants that aren't on board.
In the original I don't see how Blue Fairy helping Pinocchio is a plot conversion, she did created him so it only makes that she will be watching over him. Also she didn't technically lied when she said "this will be the last time she will help him" she means by using her magic to get Pinocchio out of a tough situation that he couldn't get out of because of his bad decisions. Leaving a note telling him where his father was isn't technically helping him out, it's just giving him information and letting him choose what to do with it or do about it, helping him would have been her using her magic to teleport Geppetto to him to save Pinocchio all the trouble.
@@mibswashere how, by turning him into Ricky Schroder‘s long-lost Gay twin brother who was kidnapped by gypsies and sold to Russian trainers to become a world class gymnast?
Thank you for having the only sane response to the whole "controversy". Disney loves to make such a big deal out of raceswapping characters for "representation" yet they will be more than happy to make sure that their character has no role to play in the story to make it easier to edit out for other countries and refuse to protect the actors from death threats and vitriol from racists. It's not the biggest problem with the movie, but it is one of them.
And yet people who point out the tokenism and hypocrisy of this are the ones who are called racist. Bottom line: Disney forgot how to make movies and blamed Uncle Remus for it.
Regarding the use of 'bollocks' in the US, my kids love the James Herriot audiobooks, and my first grader picked up 'bollocks' as a favorite expression. Nobody around us reacted at all, but I had to fill her in on what she was saying and we agreed it wasn't really appropriate for school 😆
Mark my words, it'll happen any time soon. And once it happened, I'll just be really disappointed in Disney's schitcks like I have with RUclips being RUclips😶
The worst part? Casual viewers love it. I had someone I know tell me, "It was great" and when I listed the problems with it, they went, "Eh but it was entertaining though." Disney will continue to get away with this because of the casual audience who has no thoughts outside of what they're seeing right then and there.
In the original, Monstro is even more real life accurate than you said, 'cause I think he's meant to be a sperm whale. And those whales have this kind of teeth, 'cause they are living off of hunting. Octopusses are one of their prey animals for example.
I like your down to earth attitude about supposed "Disney wokeness". No bandwagon jumping one way or another. No ridiculous hottake. Just a very objective if short analysis. Cynical, but honest.
Cynical would be realizing that they are doing this because they got infiltrated by a bunch of extremist leftist activists that want to destroy whiteness. They could do the same thing with right wing extremism as they do now with "woke" left wing extremism which would give them extra ammo as they can get even more publicity while being able to claim that they don't lean either way by showcasing their "woke"/"based" parts, but no, they only go in one direction, and we all deep down know why.
Representation is ok, as long as it doesn't change established characters. I imagine making a well-established LGBTQ+ character cis and hetero wouldn't go over so well, either.
It's as good a take as you can get from someone with no knowledge of how woke people operate. They've infested Disney's board already: Disney are no longer a profit-seeking capitalist company. That's why they push THE MESSAGE to the point that shareholders are pissed.
@@DakotaofRaptors But there is a big different from one vs. the other. LGBTQ+ people are an oppressed group of people that struggle to get basic rights, much less representation. Sometimes the best way to bring representation is to bring them into something that's familiar. Turning someone from that community into a strait or cis person is what typically happens to gay people in stories or history as we are usually stripped away of that representation. I mean, all you have to do is look at the swath of book bans happening across the U.S. It's more of less the same for the people arguing Ariel shouldn't be black because it's "black washing". They're getting upset over something that doesn't actually harm them and doesn't really exist, vs. white washing which is very real and does real world harm.
@@dragongirl89115 not saying it should happen, nor am I denying the issues that the LGBTQ+ community still faces, however, we still have the luxury to argue over menial things such as this: it's not as though we are being held hostage over this discussion. Point being, changing a well-established character for the sake of diversity is both lazy and frankly, a double standard. Just to repeat, it is a relatively minor issue when compared to the issues real life sexual and gender minorities face, but it's ok to call out double standards when they happen. And as for the whitewashing bit, I don't think it matters which race you swap a person with, if it doesn't align with the original image as designed - and especially if only for the sake of drawing attention solely via the controversial element. The blue fairy only gets like, what, one proper scene to herself? They should have gone all in with her appearances or not change it at all if that was the case.
I think the design of the blue fairy is actually really pretty. However, my one gripe with it is the wings. They look less like wings and more like undulating tentacles. Makes her seem less like a fairy and more like some humanoid jellyfish
The idea that Disney is going "woke" cause the blue fairy is played by a black woman is ridiculous, especially when you realize that they actually gave the blue fairy less screentime than in the original. making the blue fairy black and then only giving her one small sceen in the movie doesn't sound "woke" to me.
@@SugaMot thats the point, woke is not (it has lgtb on it) woke is being progressive superficially. Or at least thats what ive seen used it most of the time.
@@spinosaurusstriker Which this film does. Removal of personal responsibility and accountability, the creation of a pointless character who exists only to be "someone good" in Stromboli's show who is both a "PoC" and has a disability, the insertion of a puppet meant to look like and represent her on stage just for Pinocchio to become infatuated with, how every child on the island looked white to me, making Stromboli a white guy... the list goes on, really. These are all standard "woke progressive" changes to established stories done for no other reason than to pander to one group.
Pretty it just weird and quite ugly. why make it bald black lady how about this u can still hire the same actor but make her more transculent like fairy from zelda it not good thing if the frist thing i notice is her ball head
I'm in my 40s, and the original scene of Lampwick screaming for his mother before he completely transforms can still give me goosebumps. This new scene is more 'meh'.
"Hey remember how the animals here look all cartoony and individualistic?" "Yeah why?" "What if we made them as realistic as possible, like completely make him look like a normal fox." "Sir that defeats the entire purpose of..." "This was not a question Jack."
This one only positive in the movie makes it seem like they could pull off a remake of Robin Hood or even The Great Mouse Detective, but with their track record of remakes, it will be shit...
Btw Stromboli is played by an actual Italian actor. Which is funny how everyone talked about the blue fairy for representation but an Italian story set in Italy?
Here's a disturbing thought. The whole 'turning little boys into donkeys to sell them to the mines/circus/farmers' is horrifying and questionable thing from the original and was meant to be a metaphor in the book as if you don't learn a trade or skill at school at the time of the book being written, the only thing you were good for was hard labor. Aka being worked like a donkey. Now, the first disney movie had only 'stupid little boys' going to Pleasure Island. In this remake... There are boys... and girls. This might seem like something minor and not like a big deal, cause the coachman is a greed as fet jerkwad who would double his profits anyway he could in either version.... But. I can't help but go to the worst possible thing and wonder if he doesn't just sell his new *jennies* aka the girl donkeys for *breeding more donkeys*. In changing it so that any child can go to this horrible place, Disney has managed to make the whole concept just *that* much worse.
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What I really hated about Pleasure Island is that instead of punishing children for being genuinely bad kids (smoking, drinking alcohol, destroying property) they're essentially punishing kids for average kid things like eating candies and drinking soda.
Modern Disney is so sanitized and squeaky clean they can't even show protagonists behaving badly when it's crucial to the basic story structure. Can you imagine what a Disney adaptation of Lord of the Flies or A Clockwork Orange would look like?
@@tjenadonn6158 I don’t even wanna think about that…
@@tjenadonn6158 For real, how is the version made in 2022 MORE puritanical than the one in 1940?
Too much sugar is bad for you.
I wanted to see them smoking weed and slamming heroin
This just makes me look forward to Del Toro's version of Pinocchio even more.
Yeah especially because this is going to be a much darker film being set in Italy during the second World War and the Italians were part of the Nazi Empire in the Second World War
Me same too
I know right?
@@williampulfer-melville8536 Technically Italy was part of the Axis Powers with Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire, so allied with the nazis but controlled by their own fascist government.
I like the book of life. so the same person making this movie, I am excited
The Disney that gave us this remake and the one who gave us the original feel like two completely different entities to me.
Considering, none of the same people work there, it is a completely different company. Despite people's views of Michael Eisner in his later years with the company, he did manage to bring back Disney to something people loved after the decline it went through for fifteen to twenty years after Walt Disney died.
It used to be run by Mickey, now it's run by Mortimer.
previous one was managed by an artist that wanted to tell stories and actually cared about animation, current one is a business man whose sole goal in existence is to make as much money as possible regardless how , even if it means sucking the life off of classics
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@@BBWahoo 😂 I love that Mortimer. These are hands down, the best comments in the section. And I loved house of mouse!
My Dad was a huge fan of the original Pinocchio when he was young, he literally fell asleep in theaters when we watched the remake and when I woke him up and told him it was done he said: Good
LOL
Let me know what he thinks of Del Toro's version. It's suprisingly dark and ballsy, I loved it.
@@My20GUNS That is really common with Disney live action films. And the 'live action film' that is actually an animated film, The Lion King. As well as a lack of understanding of several aspects of animation, which really help out anything involving animation, including CGI.
You shouldn’t have given Disney your money. Now they have more reason to ruin the classics.
Give us an update lol
The Conflicting Morals part made me realize this new trend in visual storytelling of stripping characters of their agency. They can't be flawed and have their bad behaviours punished, they have to be victimized in order to gain sympathy from the audience and potentialize the villain's threat.
Because if you ever said the N word in your life as a young kid you deserve to burn in Hell forever. Geez and I thought the original Pinocchio story was supposed to be a Calvinist fever dream.
Almost sounds like an unofficial return of the Hayes Code.
The Hays Code is gone, but another code is in!
@@SlapstickGenius23 some would call it a Woke Code, but honestly it is more of a Spineless Narcissist Code - where no one can take responsibility or agency for their own actions, let alone be allowed to make them in some cases, and the ego can do no wrong because they were a "Mary Sue that Everyone Loved and Respected From the Start For Almost No Reason"
In this regard, this is something I really like about Lucky Luke. In the early days he was huge smoker, but at some point they had to remove the cigarette of course... BUT! Instead of pretenting like cigarettes don't exist, they actually made it part of his character. No matter if comic, tv show or movie, there a lot of moments where they refer to the time where he used to smoke, with Lucky often responding how difficult it was for him to quit. It addes so much personality to him.
I just can't get over how drastically different all the CGI characters are from each other. Did they not see the work each other did?
knowing how disney and marvel have been managing cgi movies lately... yeah they probably never saw each other's work
most likely outsourced to independent people, this happens a lot with games now especially (It's the reason Halo infinite is so broken).
so yes, each artist most likely was given a concept and guidelines, but would have used their own resources (textures, ect..) to make each asset. This is how you get artistic inconsistency, since each artist has their own workflows and design choices.
in fact, I would not be surprised if this is the reason why some characters are high detail, while others are not. most likely smaller assets (like the clocks) were outsourced to cheaper artists and hence look cheap.
Omg and the key framing was horrible. Didnt even look like Pinocchio was being carried
@@gatex33d74 multiple VFX houses worked on this
@@J.S.3259 yeah thats what i said
"Don't make him cry. It only draws more attention to his shit face." Is honestly my favorite line yet. Had me laughing way to hard.
I had to pause the video for a laughing fit.
Too lol 😆
@some people deserve to be humbled 4 good there's a visual aesthetic reason why she's blonde too. It's not racist to say it looks best when she's blonde. it's a visual aesthetic
@some people deserve to be humbled 4 good Except they can, they will, and you aren't going to do anything about it.
@some people deserve to be humbled 4 good Imagine all races now demanding a representation in every single character ever made, instead of simply making new ones...
Another thing I find annoying about the pleasure island scene is how Pinocchio is clearly not having fun and arguing with lampwick about how what he’s doing is bad. It makes way more sense in the original where he just goes along with whatever lampwick is doing. Pinocchio is literally like two days old. He doesn’t have a sense of morality yet, that’s why he needs jiminy. It doesn’t make sense for him to be such a goody two-shoes if he’s never been taught the difference between right and wrong.
I think Disney's idea here is "wE can't HaVe thE protaGONisT aCt bad bEcaus3 chIlDrEN arE clEarLY gOIng to CopY LitERAly eVerTHIng They sEe oN Tv" like I saw swearing on TV when I was younger and I didn't swear.
@@mrfrog0913they don't care about, clearly..
That also ruins the entire point of Jiminy as his "conscience", if Pinochio already knows what bad and what is good then Jiminy becomes useless.
Here's the thing: if Pinocchio has such a firm moral compass already, then why on earth does Jiminy need to exist? He essentially does nothing now, except for narration purposes.
“Because the movie has to happen.” -Ryan George
Yep. It's clear that the makers of this film didn't understand the themes and meaning behind the origonal.
Exactly, smash him with a mallet like the real original
This whole movie does nothing except waste your time and steal your money
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Really? the people at Disney didn't understand the story of Pinocchio?
They knew!!
they just wanted to change things because they can!
I have a few things to point out why the 1940's is far better at telling it's story than the remake.
When the audience first hears about Pleasure island, it's not when Pinocchio hears it, it's in a meeting in a tavern with Honest John and the Coachman. The way Honest John reacts in fear at the thought of pleasure island sets the audience up to know something is wrong about that place. Because it was discussed between the three of them in a shady tavern, it's implied that only these three know the true nature of the island. So when you see Pinocchio getting tricked into going to pleasure island, it's because John is getting paid to round of kids.
The audience then finds out WHAT exactly is wrong with pleasure island when Jiminy Cricket finds out the kids are turning into donkies and runs off to save Pinocchio before it's too late. THIS SETS UP THE URGENCY OF THE NEXT SCENE which is when Lampwick transforms. THIS IS WHY THE SCENE IS SO TERRIFYING. The audience has been prepped to experience this trama.
In the remake, if an audience member has never seen the original. The donkey transformation comes out of the blue. Sure Jiminy Cricket sees the donkys being carted away, but never discovers why there are so many donkies. The only reason the audience thinks pleasure island is bad is because Gepedo finds out Pinocchio went to pleasure island and is like "OH NO I HAVE TO GET HIM BACK!"
This again implies that the LOCALS KNOW ABOUT PLEASURE ISLAND. AND THEY DO NOTHING TO STOP THE COACHMAN ROUNDING THEM UP.
Lampwick's hyperventilating transitioning into frantic donkey brays as he completely loses it is genuinely one of those most distressing things I've ever seen. While I kinda wish they had kept the scene where he helps Pinocchio escape from the island I think it's genuinely more terrifying that he's just left to his fate and him having a panic attack is the last we ever see of him.
THIS!! You made exquisitely right points in your explanation! I remember being absolutely horrified when watching the original scene, I actually bursted into tears because I was so scared. The remake on the other hand..... I almost laughed out loud when Lampwick transformed, first of all because there was no real reason for him to change, since he was only drinking "RoOt BeEr" instead of actual alcohol and smoking, but what got me were the "screams"; they were pathetic and seemed just too comical to convey the terror of a child turning into a donkey
I gotta watch the original now!
That’s because the 1940 writers were actually trying to tell a story, whereas the 2022 writers were just trying to collect a check.
Honestly at this point, the only reason why the real live action remakes are being made in my opinion is because it makes you feel more thankful, that there is a better and less cash grabby version of it
Pinocchio 1940: The scene with Lampwick turning into a donkey was made terrifying in order to effectively drive home the message to kids about how bad drugs and alcohol are.
Pinocchio 2022: The scene with Lampwick turning into a donkey was censored and stripped of any terror or maturity because Disney thought children couldn't handle it.
true :/
Kinda gives you a warm feeling about Disney purchasing the firefly/ Serenity IP don't it?
@@gattzflappa6306 wait wait wait wait WAIT!!! Please say sike right fucking now!!! God fucking damnit I don't wanna have one of my favourite shows get fucking butchered by Disney...
The children who can't handle it are 30.
@@gattzflappa6306 wait, *WHAT???*
The fox is the best thing about the move imo. It's like proof of concept how The Lion King would have worked with realistic but more expressive looking animals.
I'm an easy going fellow. I see Nigerians cast in european roles and characters. I continue on with life knowing that such turds really only exist if we will them to.
I love the fox honestly. He looks so cool.
Same, I loved him. He was the closest to the original for me, and his voice matched and he looked fantastic. It's like they used all the budget on him then forgot they needed to do the other characters.
Exactly
He looks amazing
The thumbnail for this being Pinocchio gleefully squatting over a massive pile of horseshit and happily inhaling it pretty much sums up the entire state of the Disney company at this point. Brilliant thumbnail.
That’s what they want us to do. It’s the cinematic equivalent of “you vill eat ze bugs.”
The horse-turd represents any new product from Disney nowadays, Pinocchio sniffing it represents what few consumers they have left who will unquestioningly consume any crap they put out.
Best scene in the movie honestly
I think Disney buying out their competition and basically becoming a megacorp means they can churn out whatever movie they want and they don't need to even care about quality and it will still sell millions or even billions. I'm happy people are being more critical over their movies now. Maybe now Disney will start caring about the quality over the quantity of their movies.
This remake can go to hell
In the Guillermo Del Toro version coming out, it is implied that Gepetto had a son who passed away and he made Pinocchio to cope with his loss, and now he hosted the spirit of his son. It works with the dark fairy tale and Del toro’s dark esthetic.
Please let his version absolutely destroy this hollow cash grab... Disney is artistically done, and has been outside of some accidents here and there for a while.
@@VCV95 They are both coming out to streaming sevices so the competition will primarily be on the critic and audiences review scores and on that end Disney already set the bar really low. Disney totally released this remake this year to try to take the wind out of Del Toro's sail, now when people search up Del Toro's version they'll see both their versions too. The whole thing gives me huge Alladin vs The Thief and the Cobbler vibes.
And isnt the story happening during Mussolini's govertment?
The wonderfull dark fantasy aspect with some facism and war drama on top of it, a classic Del Toro movie
@@Prototype-357 omg totally. Cobbler and the thief is a wild movie with such a good story
@@laranovelletto8694 that is what I heard, that his version takes place during Fascist Italy.
I just love how they animated Pinocchio next to a pile of horse dung and not think of the irony lol
Love? Well then they'll do it more.
i think the cgi team knew lol sometimes subversion comes in malicious compliance
Trust me Disney was BLATANTLY telling the audience we can make you watch anything They knew exactly what they were doing.
They ether were stupendusly ignorant or hyper aware, there is no inbetwen
@@theprinceofawesomeness I'm leaning towards them intentionally putting in the horse manure as their way of letting us know we can get you to watch anything at least once.
Literally the few positive story changes in this version of Pinocchio (him staying a puppet, Geppetto having lost his son and making a marionette to resemble him, etc etc) Guillermo Del Toro did the same but actually went into depth about it. Definitely watch his version, it’s totally unique and not just a soulless cash grab remake
Like Geppetto’s throwaway line about wanting Pinocchio to be like someone else is LITERALLY one of the main plot points of Guillermo’s film. It tells a more interesting story with a much better moral
The Guillermo Del Toro Pinocchio was great. The characters had depth and were well thought out, their motivation made sense. It was a beautiful retelling of the story. Pinocchio had so much chaotic good energy 😂
Him staying a puppet had the whole be urself motto and its kinda souless
I did and apart from all the singing, was a far superior telling then this piece of crap.
Steve legit predicted the arc of Guillermo Del Toro's version of Geppetto at 24:15 to 24:38 fr 💀👍
The original original Pinocchio was batshit crazy. The murder of Jimmy the Cricket the attempted lynching of Pinocchio by the fox and the cat.
And Pinocchio also turns into a donkey and is sold to a cruel Circus owner
@@williampulfer-melville8536 he breaks a leg and I think fish eat his "Donkey body" allowing him to return to "normal", at least in the book I read, might not have been the original though
There's a live action movie based on those dark moments just made 2 years ago. It's called Pinocchio 2019, directed by Matteo Garrone.
@@cheesemate9141 Eh, I prefer the 1996 Adventures of Pinocchio which used Jim Henson animatronics.
@Tara Allen “lynching” means the same thing as “hanging”
I'm still shook by the quality of animation from the fox and his sidekick. It's like the only highlight of the film and it makes me wonder if the animator responsible for them has a vendetta against the Lion King CGI animation with how detailed he made these animals
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The lighting in this movie is so weird
Most computer generated bloat-a-thons are poorly lit and ugly like most American movies of the last 55 years.
It has nothing to do with any vendetta. The point is its all about agendas. If you do this or that which was not in the book the original Pinnochio films were based on then you are making a morally wrong decision.The idea is to brainwash the kids to conform to slave morality and inside - the box thinking. The Grand Unified Field Theory of physics suggests that to be able to solve a difficult problem, you have to think outside of any box. The creator of the original Pinnochio story wanted children to be free so they could go to school to learn to learn, not to be brainwashed. John Dewey wanted the same. A society where everyone has the opportunity to be educated.
@@thetruestar6348 it really is. especially when the kids and pine oak were on that horse mobile thing
Here in the US we never use the term bollocks, it’s just seen as “one of those funny/weird English words” so it’s not really seen as a swear
Let's just say that if they knew about the use of the word and how strong it is they wouldn't have used it.
@@Kit_Bear Disney being culturally insensitive and ignorant? Surely you jest, good sir.
its like the inverse of c*nt, where its like the most offensive you can say in america but in the UK its not seen nearly as bad
Didn't even know it was a swear.
@@Kit_Bear literally a 3 year old could say it and we wouldn’t blink an eye, just doesn’t have any weight to us I guess
What i find funny Is that at 24:15 you practically described del toro's version of the Plot wich just goes to show that it was, in fact, a much better direction to take the story into
I was looking for this comment!!!!
I also find it weird that everything most critics complain about is the similarities of the 2 not working for Disney lol
Examples: the monkey vs the puppeteer, the og son, staying a puppet, the speedboat joke, lying to escape. Might just be me tho…
Del Toro's version is just 👌
That's why most of the live action Disney remakes suck: they just repeat the same story but are less meaningful due to being live action and bad cgi
The Monstro chase scene was the first one I saw, and it honestly was worse than anything I could have ever imagined. The original scene is a masterpiece of tension - as Steve said, the power imbalance is what really makes you worry for Pinocchio and his family, and how hard Pinocchio tries to save them despite the odds is a huge part of the movie's message about selflessness and courage. And then they go and turn it into "Pinocchio turns into an overboard engine to escape a kaiju masquerading as a whale".
This movie is a testament to what Disney has become: a sterile, empty, heartless version of itself.
Old Disney set the standard. New Disney just arranges clichés.
Only white people care about this, with few exception, that's why it worked in the 40's and only works on us now.
@@tjenadonn6158 new Disney thinks clichés are tropes
It's sure that Disney pass a mixed period currently, but the Remakes movies are a small part of all the productions of the society.
What about Raya and the Last Dragon, Encanto and all the others recents animated movie he done ?
And what about all the animated series for the small screen who are as important than the big movies themselves too ?
And the live action movies who aren't remakes such Chip N Dale Rescue Ranger Live Action movie ?
Honestly, you all forget about the general body of the company to focus only on a single limb of him.
Disney is always as productive, fertile and hearthwarming than he always was, it's just that, like everybody on Earth, he do errors, even at repetition, on a precise thing. Thinking that the next case will be better than the previous one even if it's not always the case.
Will all, us, do or have done that in our live as person.
Plus, not all the Remakes are garbage. There a good bunch who are correct, very enjoyable and even ultra edited from the originals (Maleficient, Dumbo, Beauty and the Beast, for example).
@@dudotolivier6363 you know Disney the person is gone, right? You keep calling Disney a He, but it's a corporation. They're no single person making any decisions.
As a kid I interpreted the Blue Fairy's comment about the last time she could help him being more of a warning that this was his last chance and that after that she wouldn't be willing to fix all of his problems with magic. When she came to him as a dove to drop the note it wasn't so much as fixing everything for him as it was guiding him to make the right choice - it was kind of necessary to move the story forward by having somebody tell them what had happened to Gepetto. The Fairy could've gotten rid of his donkey parts and placed Gepetto on the doorstep but for obvious reasons didn't.
Also, even though I can respect the new version taking a different tack with the real boy thing, but what I always got from the 1940 version is that the goal of being a real boy is just a metaphor - in terms of all of the things he does, mistakes me makes etc, Pinocchio always behaved as any child would do, and in a sense was always a real boy from the beginning. His literal transformation at the end is payoff for the audience since his acts of bravery and compassion 'completed' him even though the audience subconssciously knows that this human form was always who he was deep down. It's a similar thing in the Wizard of Oz where the heart, brain and courage etc weren't meant to be literal rewards, but a sly comment on how often what we percieve to be lacking in we already have.
You beat me to it because I was thinking the same thing.
Also I would have to disagree with the whole "in the original, he was a dumbass." Because to me at least, he was just misguided and didn't know. Hence why jimity was around to tell him what's right and what's wrong. Also pinocchio just came to life "child" and for him to become a true child ( a real boy ) he had to earn it by being a good child. I believe the blue fairy even states this.
So by the time he gets caged up pinocchio basically fucked up and the blue fairy gave him a second chance to correct his actions. so by the time we get to pleasure Island; pinocchio gets a wake up call that he's about to fuck up again when all the children were becoming donkeys or become asses of themselves for misbehaving because donkeys are also called asses; so it's metaphor. That's when pinocchio gets his shit together and try to do the right thing and earns his reward.
I kinda hate when people call naive characters stupid, they have different definitions for a reason.
@@gretelcorrales1779 I agree, I kinda think people have missed understood naive, dumb, or ignorance.
This is just my understanding of the words. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Naive: just didn't know about something
Dumb: does know it but doesn't quite comprehend it. This word kinda varies on the situation.
Ignorance: does know about it but either choices to go against it or refuses to act about it.
Jesus Christ, this comment below up overnight. 167 likes already? Thanks guys.
It could also be interpreted as her not actually helping him when she gives him the letter.... (She was helping the boys father instead, Pinniochio seeing this as aid was irrelevant to this.)
"it wasnt a whale! it was just a sea monster!" what a line, truly a piece of writting, it sure was made by someone in time
It's Monstro Time!
Get back! I'm going to Monstroing
*Disney didn't want to acidentally promote "Kill the Whales" instead of "Save the Whales"*
somehow monstro returned
I'm something of a Monstro myself
26:32 Pinocchio’s name is actually a combination of the Italian words “Pino” (pine) and “Occhio” (eye), so it would literally mean “pine eye”.
yeah, and Chris Pine is an actor. it was a pun using his name.
@@justkillingtime8622 Did you even see the timestamp I used? It's nowhere even near any reference to that pun.
Nope. Means "Little Pine".
I can't unsee how Jiminy's wearing a mask like he's a Luchador. Honest John is the one thing that looks decent in CG design.
Agreed plus I love how his cape in the remake is actually a curtain
Honest John was the only character in the remake that I actually liked.
you can tell honest john had the most time put into his model than any other cgi character.
Everyone: “So are you ever gonna do any hand drawn films again?”
Disney: “No.” 🙂
I mean the last time they did one, it underperfomed at the box office. As a company more about business than anything else, that was probably a sign that hand drawn films just aren't profitable anymore to them. Plus anything 2d doesn't do well on the big screen here in the United States of America. Part of that has to do with the stigma that has developed around animated works here. Animation has been for a long time, viewed as something that only children can enjoy, and when Disney attempted 2d animation again back in 2009, it flopped due to that stigma. It also flopped due to the 3d and CGI craze, which sucked away a lot of the potential audience away from the film. Not to mention any attempts with 2d animation for a theatrical release have just flopped due to multiple factors, but the main one seems to be either lack of advertising or a lack of interest from the majority of US Citizens who don't have an interest in animation. Heck, there's a reason they advertised the lion king remake as live action when it was actually all CGI. Live-action mixed with CGI appeals to a larger audience than solely Animation alone.
Disney: won’t you please come see our movies?
Me: no.
@@michaellarose4913 I think its generational to a degree. I definitely see it changing eventually with the booming popularity of anime and manga in the states and the success of adult oriented animation like Arcane and Invincible. Teens and young adults today will have a completely different perception of this stuff than previous generations
@@michaellarose4913 are you talking about Treasure Planet? I believe another significant part of it's failure was because it was not properly advertised to get as many viewers as it could. As far as I know today, many people would not mind a 2D animation again or just something that isn't a remake. However most people I've talked to about it are like me, people born around 2004, where the economic problems at the time slowed things down so we would grow up watching some of the older stuff from the 90s and many old classic Disney works.
Are ever goingto see a Disney movie again?
I personally interpret the Blue Fairy “not helping Pinocchio” in the original as in not helping get him out of trouble he blunders into without first consulting his conscience. When it finally dawned on him how badly he let himself get tricked by Honest John again on Pleasure Island, Pinocchio left the island of his own volition and made no more excuses for his behavior, and soon after wanted to make up for his mistakes by saving his father (which admittedly was also his fault). And so the Fairy threw him a bone by telling him about Monstro.
Alternatively maybe she didn't do that to help Pinochio, but rather his father.... (Sending him to help someone else might not count as her breaking her word to never help him out of trouble, as he wasn't in any actual trouble, his father was..... )
It wasn't really helping Gepetto either, since she could've probably done it herself. She was simply informing Pinnochio of what happened, letting him make the choice for himself.
yea, that was never a major plothole for me.. . i mean we all say lots of things (especially with little kids) so they're not RELYING on us to always be there to make it all better, but behind the scenes we all know she's in his corner and got his back..
Even then in regards to the fairy in Stromboli’s cart, she could have fixed his nose and taught him the lesson, but then just not let him out saying he would have to figure a way out on his own, and by so saying imply there was a way to get out but he would have to do it.
And honestly I am not a fan of the random dove bringing a note, all you need is some random townsperson to tell him that monstro may have gotten him as it is important that pinnochio is made aware of monstro to raise the stakes and force pinnochio to make a choice about saving Gepetto in the face of danger.
i just love the old artstyle.
you can pause nearly everywhere and it looks like a "wallpaper"
all the little details and everything handcrafted.
I actually laughed when Lampwick turned into a donkey in The Disney Remake of Pinnochio. Because he was simultaneously over the top and somehow casual about turning into a donkey at the same time It was actually FUCKING HILARIOUS
Pretty wild considering that the scene in the original is…. Honestly kinda scary as a kid.
Yea in the original is was crazy dark. The Italian remake kind of got it right
Why would you watch this trash remake you are part of the problem
@@raymondluna3187 The people who are THE REAL PROBLEM are the ones who not only watch these remakes but actually like them and rewatch them
@@joshuahall8176 well them as well very true
American movies usually don't count swearing as swearing if it's in a different language, so I imagine "bollocks" is allowed since it's not common slang over here.
And bollocks is the right word.
Yeah, I would put it somewhere around "crap."
They said jackass
In america, bollocks is just a funny british word. That's p much all we think of it here.
@@ShadeATV they "censored" it with that horrendous overuse of the donkey noises
Geppetto: "Here, take this!" *Throws log and it smacks Pinocchio on the head*
Me: Heh. Cute.
Geppetto: "I hit my wooden boy on the head with a piece of wood."
Me: Way to kill the slightest of humorous jokes, Disney.
I actually laughed at that joke because of how horrible the delivery sounded. Tom Hanks deserves better.
Perfect example of show don’t tell
Ties into Steve’s point about most of the jokes in the original being visual gags rather than shoehorned one-liners. That would’ve been a really simple but effective joke that’s also a nod to how the original approached humor. But it had to be ruined by over explaining
I laughed at that part, felt like a "bonk" to me xd
Until Geppetto opened his mouth... *sigh*
Tom Hanks should have walked out right then and there
19:53
Moral is that it's ok to lie just so long as you get what you want.
That's basically Disneys core philosophy (and other corporations). Lie, cheat and steal as long as you turn a profit.
Disney has lied about so many things that they undermined the morals of the original.
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I always thought that the Blue Fairy helped Pinnochio was due to him genuinely looking for his father. Whereas, her stern "This is the last time I'm helping you" is usually said when you're constantly getting into trouble that you're taking part of. Shown as how she never shown up when the donkey transformation was happening. So, she did keep to her word in a sense. It's kinda like how one of your parents will be stern with you about an issue, then turn around and aid you when they notice you're genuinely trying.
Actually, I like this idea where the blue fairy comes back and Pinocchio pleads with her to tell her where his father is and she decides to help him since his wish comes from a selfless desire to help Gepetto
Let me get this straight: They turned Pinocchio - a story about a new born boy (basically a baby when you think about it) learning the importance of listening to your conscience and that your actions of consequences - into a story about about, what? The dangers of peer pressure?
I mean... I guess that's fine, but that doesn't really flow well when Pinocchio is kicked out of school, affirming to him that his only chance at success is to go with the fox and cat.
And they turned Monstro into what is essentially the whale variant of a Lusca (For those that aren't aware, a Lusca is a shark/octopus hybrid from Caribbean folklore). Cool in concept, but I agree that it ruins the character, since Monstro isn't evil. He's just a whale doing whale things.
Oh, and in America "Bollocks" isn't even a swear word. It's on the same level as saying "balls".
It's barely even on the same level as saying balls
Never heard of a Lusca before. Thanks for that tidbit. Learn something new every day.
Bollocks is a British curse word, and it's just as vulgar as saying "shit" or "fuck".
And the film isn't located even anywhere close to the caribbeans.
The CGi "root beer" is funny. The kid just gulps it in one go and it just disappears. Doesn't even spill a drop LOL
They're an experienced "drinker"
That and there’s so clearly zero weight in his hands. Why did they have to cgi the mug? So weird
movies rely so much on cgi that apparently its too hard to use a real glass with dyed water or something inside
@@ketaminepoptarts the thing is, CGI is amazing, when used properly. CGI should be used as a tool, to do things you could never do in real life. These days most studios use it as a shortcut, to do things that easily could have been done with physical props
That's how a root beer works 🧐
Disney trying to reinvent Pinocchio
Guillermo del Toro: hold my beer
More like: hold my rootbeer
What you said about the blue fairy and Disney marketing perfectly hit the nail on the head. Disney does not care about diversity at all they care about is making profits and know that race swapping fairies and mermaids is just bait to get people to argue and the arguments become news media stories which boosts even more attention to film.
Also a convenient shield against critics.
Very true, and I’m not arguing your point. I just want to ad to your point that the wokeness, despite creating attention and interaction online, does actively hurt sales as Lightyear bombed hard and Disney revenue is going down. We were locked in our homes for a year and Disney’s stock has absolutely crashed. They went from $196 per share down to $97. They lost $10-15 just from announcing the new woke Mermaid movie. They got attention, they didn’t get money. Disney imo is not going bankrupt, but they will get very close before they realize their marketing and sales team has been lying to them :/
It isn't just because it gets people talking, because even if people talk about something, it doesn't mean they will watch it or pay for it. Especially when there is so much BAD publicity, one film after another. They race-swap because it is the laziest way of complying with the ESG criterias all companies have to follow in this new stakeholder capitalism. They are basically diversity quotas and crap like that they need to fill. So instead of creating new side-characters or make new stories (= be creative), they race- and gender-swap a lot. It is a woke virus, and it is not good for business as they are losing money on it and angering more people. Then they push their agenda and blame fans for being racists, etc., to try to save face.
even worse: Just look at Halle Bailey, poor girl is getting bullied for being Ariel; they also bring hate onto the actors.
Which then makes the film flop and lose $70 mill+
There's a Japanese version of Pinocchio, which has been translated into 30 languages including Afrikaans, which played on South African televisions in the 1970's and even I grew up with it being born in 2002 and all. That was 52 episodes long and made Pinocchio go through a lot of moral changes through selflessness and courage and learning about the world, and they expanded the universe a lot. Yet with all the on-goings in that series, changes in characters and story, it still stayed more true to the original Disney Movie than this one!!!
Piccolino!
That sounds fantastic. Buratino and the Golden Key by Lev Tolstoi is the very first book that I read on my own. As a long-time Pinocchio fan, what's the name of the series, please?
And it was dark af, too. There’s some serious weight to every dumb choice Pinocchio makes in that series. To the point that he gets shot to death by an army in the last episode.
And yes, the guy who created Speed Racer drew that version.
@@SaitohYatate I don't think this is the same one we're talking of😅
@@mirceazaharia2094 I just know it by Pinocchio, so had to go Google its full title: The Adventures of Pinocchio (TV series 1976-1977)
That scene with the poop was pretty much a giftwrapped thumbnail for every youtuber that predictably hated this movie.
18:56
Thank you for replaying this scene like that, now I cannot unsee the fact they CGI'd the fluids in each of those cups, poorly.
Pinocchio's eye animation is just like the eye animation of the stop motion figures from Robot Chicken.
It looks like the projected eyes that some Disney animatronics have like in the Frozen Adventure ride
@@tiamystic I 💜 your Powerpuff Girl avatar.
@@mikekomarinski Thanks!
@@tiamystic U R welcome, 1 of my childhood favorites.🙂
It makes me appreciate the original more, knowing the fact that Disney never learns their mistakes and destroys the core elements of what made their OGs so iconic and unique. Which is why I'm excited to see Guillermo del Toros motion take of the characters story and concept.
they learn from their mistakes, just not in the right way.
Netflix put out "Cuties". If you know this and are using it you are a monster.
@@freedomofspeech2867 bro never even mentioned cuties tf??
@@davidthecommenter I didn't reply to you. It's just that stupid RUclips gives you notifications when someone replies to someone you replied to too. Now let's point and laugh at how dumb RUclips is and then go hate on Netflix.
I think that's the idea. They keep making crappier versions so the fans can buy the original with a fancy DVD case. Those "signature movies" are more pricey
The really stupid thing about changing the beer to root beer and excluding the cigars for me is, with the original, I assumed that's how the kids got turned into donkeys. That there was some potion inside. That would explain why Pinocchio only got ears and a tail because he stopped drinking and smoking after witnessing the other boy start to change.
The original idea of Jiminy Crickets animation was to make him cute and they knew he didn't quite look like a cricket. That's why they tell the audience what he is and we buy it. Figaro should have looked more cartoonish. Had they listened to the interviews of the original animators and Walt Disney, this movie would have worked.
You can also thank Disney's animator Ward Kimball (one of the 9 Old Med) for bringing him to life. He was about to leave studio when his Soup Eating scene in Snow White was cut cause it wasn't necessary in the films plot, he was very distraught. But Walt offered him the position to be the Supervising Animator on Jiminy Cricket and thus we got a memorable character and one of Disney's best animators ever.
I always took the idea of the original film is that there are terrible people out there, and they don't always get caught. That the only way to avoid becoming one of their victims is to be as good a person as possible.
And THIS is why you’re a professor 😅lol
Not only being good but being self aware and perspectiveness are encouraged in the story too
We will never forget the memory of being traumatised by the donkey scene
I was hoping the donkey scene in the remake will be just as terrifying, but the cringe-inducing cgi just ruined it...
Ya seeing just the little bit of it again for the first time in almost 20 years re-disturbed me and reminded me why I didn't watch it much as a kid. It was just a lot darker and more upsetting than most of the other Disney movies..
I hadn’t seen the original in a decade and that’s the one scene I always remember
It's not trauma, it's a great life lesson, you spoiled western brat.
It was always the best part of the movie, they had their fun and got to become what they were, total jackasses
As an American, I can honestly say my understanding of the word ‘bollocks’ was that it was just a funny British word people say when they’re funny British frustrated, and it never really occurred to me to inquire as to its actual meaning until recently.
So that might have something to do with it…
If you don’t know, or if anyone else reads this, it means testicles.
@@Potaogirl-qm3ys Lol, I’m aware, but thanks. I’m sure someone will be enlightened.
I agree with you about the fairy, actually. its the same with randomly adding lgbt side characters for one or two scenes. its not because Disney actually cares about these minorities or the communities belonging to those minorities; they are partaking in corporate virtue signaling because they know how audiences will react. either good reactions or bad reactions will still draw attention to the films.
disney isn't "woke". they just know how to market.
Yeah tbh, I can't even say this is good representation or anything since she is only in the movie in one scene and never again, completely cut out of her major roles in the movie besides the beginning
Also they gave her a straight up Halloween costume, with fake wings and a glittery dress you would find for some cheap cosplay. She doesn't look like mystical being but like she's cosplaying as a fairy
Well thats what some people call it woke, representation moved by corporativism.
except deliberatley pissing people off and bringing ideologues into your fold is a bad idea
I would not call angering a significant chunk of your audience "Good Marketing" I agree that the higher ups in Disney may not give a crap and are just pandering but alot of the actual creatives have insanely radical political ideas that they keep shoving into everything. It's not a coincidence that they recast the circus owner as another straight white male.
I agree
0:04 MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE will never get old. It fits with literally anything.
Still should’ve gotten the turbo
🤣 That never gets old! 22 years and that quote still holds up. 👍
@@chriskennedy6300Metal sonic in sonic cd: you never catch me unless in shift to maxium overdrive
@@fabionoronhazampieri7639 And at the end you realize you *"Should have gotten the turbo."* lol
@@chriskennedy6300no
He should have gotten the boost
I didn’t bother even trying to watch this and don’t ever plan on it. I instead watched Guillermo Del Toro’s Pinocchio which was a masterpiece and a pleasure to watch.
Geppetto letting Pinocchio go to school alone makes even less sense in this version since it's established he's not a new parent. He has experience raising a child and should know better.
Which means he should be more careful taking care of his son that literally brought back to life and should be unwilling to lose him again by any chances!
Well, that settles it, Geppetto is a terrible father.
Either that or it’s just a weird culture thing
Not defending Geppetto's actions much but during the time period the movie's set in it was normal to let your kids go to school on their own.
It IS a cultural thing. Back when you could TRUST a kid could walk to their neighborhood school by themselves without being put in too much danger
Yeah I've seen several movies that were made in the 40s and they do show kids going off to school on their own, so I guess it was the norm at the time
The fact that Pinocchio is entirely CGI really makes any physical interaction look absolutely terrible, because there's obviously no physical stand-in that the CGI is placed onto.
The Sonic movies did this correctly where it is much more believable that they are interacting with real world objects. It seems like Paramount keeps one-uping Disney...minus the Halo series....We don't talk about that.
Even the Mandalorian had a baby Yoda doll for Pedro Pascal (or whoever plays Mando now) to interact with.
Disney couldn't be assed to made a WOODEN ASS PUPPET. A puppet. The character is a puppet. A real object, we couldn't even have that on set.
@@caritahearts2405 Jesus, do you think Disney is made of money or something? It's a small independent studio after all. Meanwhile you have this big budget Del Toro guy flexing with all his money with real props, don't know why everyone bullies the underdog.
@@totallynotsummermorrison33 ikr
I will admit, the visuals of the fox are absolutely breathtaking. I would go as far as to say almost real looking. So props to the cgi and art team on that account.
This sucks even more because now we know they ARE capable of making good cgi. So why was the donkey CGI so HORRIBLE?
I heard speculation on the internet about Fox's model being from a scrapped Robin Hood remake. Hence the difference in quality. I am glad it is most likely not true, because it would mean that a whole project of THAT level was turned down in favor of this mediocre movie.
So mad how many of the things you mentioned that would have improved this film like, them deciding to keep Pinocchio a puppet or Geppetto resenting Pinocchio at first to give him more of a reason to leave and not attend school were done in Guillermo Del Toros Pinocchio! That whole production seemed to really get Pinocchio and the morals of the story. Amazing how two films about the same thing released in the same year can be so different! The Netflix version is so thoughtful and well done compared to the Disney money grab.
These godawful movies only make me appreciate traditional animation so much more. Also, my 3rd grade teacher read us the original Pinocchio book in class, and that was a beautifully dark journey! I don't think even Del Toro's version will quite be that dark (but damn am I still looking forward to his movie, because I also love me some stop-motion goodness!)
imagine having so many years in 3d animation experience and being tasked with creating feces
"Bullocks" isn't a curse word here in the US. Same with "wanker", I'm pretty sure. They're seen as "silly British words" if anything. Which is _wild_ because that'd be like if a children's movie made in the UK just casually dropped the word "cunt" in the middle of a happy-go-lucky musical number and then we aired it uncensored here in the States.
I feel like you could write a whole essay about something like that. "Is a curse word from a different language/dialect okay to use?" The only reason it seems to be okay is because "no one will get it. At least not the children".
How many times does Ron Weasley say "bloody hell" in the Potter films. That would sure get your backside warmed with a paddle if an American child said it. At least it would back in the day when I was growing up! But "bullocks"? Just a nonsense word.
@@chereecargill355 It's 'bollocks' not 'bullocks'.
@@petehill7280 just a nonsense word.
@@chereecargill355 It’s Bollocks and it means testicles, it’s not a nonsense word. It’s usually used when a situation has gone bad, although if someone says “The Dog’s Bollocks” that actually means it’s a good thing.
I have to admit - the scene where Geppetto hits Pinocchio with the anchor in Monstro actually got an out loud laugh from me. It was just so sudden and the thunk of it making contact just caught me so off guard.
Lol
i think it would have worked better if they cut Gepetto's line and just had him wince
@@avro683lancaster7 Yeah, I think his line kind of ruins it. I laughed at the actual act of him throwing the anchor on him, I almost didn't notice his added comment.
I was at my dad's house last night, and he put on Little Mermaid for my neices and nephews to watch. I haven't seen it in probably 20 years. The animation is so beautiful! It's sad that animation isn't made that way anymore.
For Disney to throw that type of animation out just to copy Pixar was and is unforgivable.
20:24 Bollocks carries almost no weight in America
I saw it, said James Corden, and that made me laugh
@@reneemachuca3026yeah cuz he used 1 PEPPER
We all know it’s J*mes C*radon that’s carrying all that weight
22:11 I'd say that in the US, "Bollocks" is just chalked up to be "funny british word" that cartoon characters say. My own personal exposure to the word growing up in America was most definitely in cartoons, or at the very least casual family friendly TV. If there was ever a british stereotype in a show, it's likely they'd say bollocks, as well as like, balderdash or beans on toast. So you were right in assuming that it doesn't carry much weight here, I didn't even learn what it meant until I was an adult
The poop joke should really tell you something about Disney these days.
I want to say that making the cricket the Ghost of Christmas Past in Mickey's Christmas Carol was a masterstroke in storytelling and just fits like a glove.
Agreed and you could say the same thing about him being a mentor to Sora in Kingdom Hearts
Wonder if that was a wink to the original book, where the cricket is literally a ghost.
@@tsnophaljakarax9963 maybe
5:30 Now THAT's suitable line for this moment.
I was pissed by the fact that Gepetto sold all his precious clocks only to have enough money to buy a dingy
How I would fix the movie:
1. Have the Blue Fairy narrate the story (instead of getting rid of her after 10 minutes)
2. Have the Blue Fairy free Pinocchio from his cage in secret.
3. Have Honest John and Gideon trick Pinocchio into visiting Pleasure Island, but when they find out what happens there they get a change of heart and actually help save the children.
4. Instead of root beer, have the Coach Master give the kids a "special drink" for grown ups thats really a potion that turns the them into donkeys.🍸
5. Keep the ending the same as the original.
6. *NO POINTLESS EXTRA CHARACTERS!*
7. Not have the Blue Fairy a pointless virtue signaling shoehorning of a black washed character.
Sorry, but your suggestions are not better. 3 and 4 are esp bad.
4 is a perfect way to keep the G rating, while still giving an anti-drinking message.
Also, in the original, Honest John and his cat do seem hesitant once the coach master tells them his whole plans. Basically, the Fox not being comfortable with the pleasure island is in the original, so having the Fox turn around and help is in character.
5:46 *Shark Tale-vibes intensifies*
EDIT: I paused the video to make this throw away joke then he actually mentioned it. Wow.
Not gonna lie I thought you said Sherk tale
In the original the kids that turned into donkeys were punished for an ACTUALLY good reason. In the remake it just feels like the equivalent of current-year parents banning their kids from watching spongebob in their home
The kids basically get punished for going to Disney World and stuffing their faces with candy. And Pinocchio, who goes along but in this version is too much of a goody-two-shoes to even enjoy himself there, gets punished simply for associating with the kids who ARE having fun. Thanks for the pro-Puritan message, Disney!
@@youraftermyrobotbee exactly. The voice acting and behavior for him was super bad. The emotional bit was hardly even trying to tear up the audience. He was like “father! Please don’t die! I must sting a song that was earlier in the movie in an attempt to move the audience”. Stop trying disney, it isn’t working
Well I mean they were definitely bad kids but it's not like the punishment was justified at all. That's an unfathomably cruel punishment
@@foursidekm true I always felt sorry for those kids
How many kids still watch SpongeBob these days?
I'm so confused, and it's so ironic...but why not make Pinocchio a real puppet? Use CGI to get rid of the strings, add facial features and minor touches? There's some phenomenal puppeteers.
Another nice touch and life lesson would be that he has to learn to take care of himself; that scrapes and splinters can easily worsen to be a big problem. Could have been perfect for the lady with the travelling show, if she maintains the puppets.
Imagine the horror of him finding a rotten and mouldy puppet that she explains got water damage that Stromboli just never dealt with.
Gives more reason for him wanting to be a real boy, I assume his limbs can't just be replaced, ties in with her prosthetic...Ship of Theseus questions
I heard once Disney prefers CGI because make up artists and puppeteers have unions and have to be well paid, while VFX artists are not and can be easily exploited
So they threw form they helped turn into an art form on the sword in order to avoid paying union fees?
@@Attmay welcome to capitalism
@@drawingsticks5333 like there is a superior alternative? Calm down Che Guevara.
@@CaptainSpalding72 socialism is superior. Market systems are antiquated and infinite growth on a finite planet is nonsensical.
The problem of Pinocchio staying as a puppet is that the change itself isn't a reward, but an allegory for his good actions MAKING him a real boy in a literal sense.
is the audio out of sync for someone else?
Yes
It's funny how they gave a weird origin to Pinocchio's name in this movie, when his name already translates to "pine eye" or "pine seed"
In the actual tale by Collodi, Geppetto actually refers to a family name, and he says that he met a lot of Pinocchio's in his life, and he considers the name lucky, since the richest of them was a beggar and not a thief.
It probably it is also a multi layered joke since pino is diminutive of Giuseppe, as Geppetto, but also pine, and that peculiar family name could mean son of pino or "pinolo" aka pine seed... Pine which is referred as the kind of wood used for making Pinocchio, then it roughly would translated as son of pine or son of Giuseppe. Which is funny ad adorable in my opinion.
The only good thing that came out of this movie, was the fact that it’s making people realize how great the original is.
And once again Steve, You've hit the nail square on the head with this one! Not a single thing missed or glossed over. Brilliant review. The original Disney Animation from 1940 is an absolute favorite of Mine and will forever hold a very special place in My heart.
Regarding "bollocks": definitely a cultural difference. In the US, this isn't really a swear, and we don't use it much. For us it's akin to bloody or blimey, sort of like "tee hee funny British word that's a bit rude". Very cool to hear that it's a serious swear for y'all though, the more you know
Yeah, I was originally confused as to why he was so surprised that it was in the movie. It definitely doesn't hold as much weight here.
actually something I hadn't noticed before but another reviewer has, the Blue Fairy's screen time is actually cut down to just that one scene where she's there because her role was cannibalized by the inclusion of Sophia the seagull and that other character who worked for Stromboli, both of them not doing much of anything in the actual movie with Sophia just being a plot device and that girl not even doing anything of importance so that her scenes can easily be cut out for what I can only assume is so chinese audiences wouldn't see those scenes of dark skinned people in their movie
Why do Chinese hate black people?
Remember that it's important above all else to the Woke to tailor THE MESSAGE to what is politically correct in the region!
In the West, we are institutionally racist against white people, so get the dark in! In China...
Who are the racists ones now sjws
9:15 Your analysis on disney race-swapping casting is perfect and makes so much sense. Honestly, these scumbags, and the rest of hollywood know it gets them publicity (bad or whichever) and that's why they do it.
Not only Disney. WB and Netflix too…..
As the saying goes, "There's no such thing as bad publicity."
Im really pissed about the Little Mermaid. Definitely not watching that one.
@@DWN-024ShadowMan You and me both, friend. I am black and I cannot tell you how insulting it feels when hollywood does that race-swapping thing and tries topass it off as "diversity". Plus, Little Mermaid is one of my all-time favorite movies and I will be damned before I give disney money for a crappy version.
They did the same thing with Jake From State Farm when they made him their official mascot
I have nothing against the actor (he actually does a pretty good job) but the decision to recast him felt odd
Fun fact: the voice actor for Jiminy in this movie is the same guy who voices Jim Hawkins in Treasure Planet
you're kidding right?
Wow, he’s a talented actor. Why would He waste his talent in this cashgrab?
@@justaguywhowatchesyoutube5588 money.
@@camthewolfgamer8632 nope. Same person
Hey, work is work; voice actors typically don't get the recognition--or the salaries--of their live action counterparts. His voice work here is the best thing about the film IMO.
You're spot on about Disney not giving an S about "diversity", it just a tool for them, especially to counter any criticism as racism; sexism etc.
I can understand (through spit on) Disney crapping out "live action" remakes to make money, but why take all the moral lessons of the story and flush them down the bog?
Maybe the bollocks thing is like wanker, US don't seem to realise how strong of a swear it is in UK. I was took back when they said it in The Simpsons and when Marge points out a bathing suit with a starfish on the fanny, lol, very different context there.
But that is the reason they are criticized for their "diversity" checkboxing, BECAUSE it's so insencere and just a tool. We can't exactly commend them for doing that, can we? I can't see how it legitimizes their casting decisions in any way if they are just fan-baiting for extra publicity. It's pretty despicable.
@@MariaIsabellaZNN Not exactly, it's part of it and the company promoting it as "diverse" etc. it a big red flag that the movie will be crap. Either because the people working on it are zealots for the new religion or those trying to put in as little effort as possible and deflect ANY criticism of the films many other flaws as simply racist etc. as stated above. But yes, either way it's despicable.
@@j.j.hayden9461 but if it was really about marketing how come its mostly wytie they keep targeting yes i know a bad guy was race swap to wyite but then again they most likely did it cause he was a villian and non wyite
@@Steven9567 Because they believe that's what people want, or rather what people should want. They believe they're smarter than everyone who isn't in their religion and that they (being so virtuous) need to "educate" the peasants that aren't on board.
That scene of Pinnochio smelling the poo is going to become the only iconic thing about this movie, is it?
I consider it Disney making fun of their audience.
In the original I don't see how Blue Fairy helping Pinocchio is a plot conversion, she did created him so it only makes that she will be watching over him. Also she didn't technically lied when she said "this will be the last time she will help him" she means by using her magic to get Pinocchio out of a tough situation that he couldn't get out of because of his bad decisions. Leaving a note telling him where his father was isn't technically helping him out, it's just giving him information and letting him choose what to do with it or do about it, helping him would have been her using her magic to teleport Geppetto to him to save Pinocchio all the trouble.
not me thinking about the pneumonia levels in the goldfish's bowl for 5 minutes after the scene
This makes fruity Pinocchio look like a masterpiece.
Honestly better lgbt rep than anything disney's made 😔🏳️🌈
@@mibswashere how, by turning him into Ricky Schroder‘s long-lost Gay twin brother who was kidnapped by gypsies and sold to Russian trainers to become a world class gymnast?
@@Attmay Yes?? What?? That sounds so much more interesting
@@mibswashere he's straight just very low in sexual hormones
@@mibswashere well, aside from Owl House of course
Favourite part:
"Don't make him cry, it only draws more attention to his shit face." - Steve 2022
Thank you for having the only sane response to the whole "controversy". Disney loves to make such a big deal out of raceswapping characters for "representation" yet they will be more than happy to make sure that their character has no role to play in the story to make it easier to edit out for other countries and refuse to protect the actors from death threats and vitriol from racists. It's not the biggest problem with the movie, but it is one of them.
And yet people who point out the tokenism and hypocrisy of this are the ones who are called racist. Bottom line: Disney forgot how to make movies and blamed Uncle Remus for it.
Regarding the use of 'bollocks' in the US, my kids love the James Herriot audiobooks, and my first grader picked up 'bollocks' as a favorite expression. Nobody around us reacted at all, but I had to fill her in on what she was saying and we agreed it wasn't really appropriate for school 😆
I swear if they make a live action Finding Nemo or Dory next I'm actually gonna cry-
Bruh at that point it's a nature documentary but with actors instead of a narrator. Kinda like live action Lion King but fish
Mark my words, it'll happen any time soon. And once it happened, I'll just be really disappointed in Disney's schitcks like I have with RUclips being RUclips😶
I just hope there won't be a live action aristocats
They're pixar's movies so don't worry, disney won't touch them.... yet.
@@raviolibirb8009 xddr
The worst part? Casual viewers love it. I had someone I know tell me, "It was great" and when I listed the problems with it, they went, "Eh but it was entertaining though."
Disney will continue to get away with this because of the casual audience who has no thoughts outside of what they're seeing right then and there.
Yep. It annoys me so much. People love watching shit. They don't even care as long as it's "entertaining".
@Victor Ngo I know. I hated the "Marvel" hype
In the original, Monstro is even more real life accurate than you said, 'cause I think he's meant to be a sperm whale. And those whales have this kind of teeth, 'cause they are living off of hunting. Octopusses are one of their prey animals for example.
Del Torros version is so good. It is what an actual good original story telling of an old story can be.
And the story you say would be good is what Del Torro does and it makes so much more sense.
I like your down to earth attitude about supposed "Disney wokeness". No bandwagon jumping one way or another. No ridiculous hottake. Just a very objective if short analysis. Cynical, but honest.
Cynical would be realizing that they are doing this because they got infiltrated by a bunch of extremist leftist activists that want to destroy whiteness. They could do the same thing with right wing extremism as they do now with "woke" left wing extremism which would give them extra ammo as they can get even more publicity while being able to claim that they don't lean either way by showcasing their "woke"/"based" parts, but no, they only go in one direction, and we all deep down know why.
Representation is ok, as long as it doesn't change established characters. I imagine making a well-established LGBTQ+ character cis and hetero wouldn't go over so well, either.
It's as good a take as you can get from someone with no knowledge of how woke people operate.
They've infested Disney's board already: Disney are no longer a profit-seeking capitalist company. That's why they push THE MESSAGE to the point that shareholders are pissed.
@@DakotaofRaptors But there is a big different from one vs. the other. LGBTQ+ people are an oppressed group of people that struggle to get basic rights, much less representation. Sometimes the best way to bring representation is to bring them into something that's familiar. Turning someone from that community into a strait or cis person is what typically happens to gay people in stories or history as we are usually stripped away of that representation. I mean, all you have to do is look at the swath of book bans happening across the U.S.
It's more of less the same for the people arguing Ariel shouldn't be black because it's "black washing". They're getting upset over something that doesn't actually harm them and doesn't really exist, vs. white washing which is very real and does real world harm.
@@dragongirl89115 not saying it should happen, nor am I denying the issues that the LGBTQ+ community still faces, however, we still have the luxury to argue over menial things such as this: it's not as though we are being held hostage over this discussion. Point being, changing a well-established character for the sake of diversity is both lazy and frankly, a double standard. Just to repeat, it is a relatively minor issue when compared to the issues real life sexual and gender minorities face, but it's ok to call out double standards when they happen.
And as for the whitewashing bit, I don't think it matters which race you swap a person with, if it doesn't align with the original image as designed - and especially if only for the sake of drawing attention solely via the controversial element. The blue fairy only gets like, what, one proper scene to herself? They should have gone all in with her appearances or not change it at all if that was the case.
I think the design of the blue fairy is actually really pretty. However, my one gripe with it is the wings. They look less like wings and more like undulating tentacles. Makes her seem less like a fairy and more like some humanoid jellyfish
The idea that Disney is going "woke" cause the blue fairy is played by a black woman is ridiculous, especially when you realize that they actually gave the blue fairy less screentime than in the original. making the blue fairy black and then only giving her one small sceen in the movie doesn't sound "woke" to me.
@@SugaMot thats the point, woke is not (it has lgtb on it) woke is being progressive superficially.
Or at least thats what ive seen used it most of the time.
@@spinosaurusstriker Awake and aware, his eyes open. Asleep and ignorant, his eyes closed.
@@spinosaurusstriker Which this film does. Removal of personal responsibility and accountability, the creation of a pointless character who exists only to be "someone good" in Stromboli's show who is both a "PoC" and has a disability, the insertion of a puppet meant to look like and represent her on stage just for Pinocchio to become infatuated with, how every child on the island looked white to me, making Stromboli a white guy... the list goes on, really. These are all standard "woke progressive" changes to established stories done for no other reason than to pander to one group.
Pretty it just weird and quite ugly. why make it bald black lady how about this u can still hire the same actor but make her more transculent like fairy from zelda it not good thing if the frist thing i notice is her ball head
I'm in my 40s, and the original scene of Lampwick screaming for his mother before he completely transforms can still give me goosebumps. This new scene is more 'meh'.
10:55 kind of sounds like a hippo laugh...
Makes sense because whales and hippos are actually distant cousins
@@TheLazyFusspot_3428 that is true
@@alexb859 but it sounds honestly goofy tho. Should've kept the whaley noises.
@@TheLazyFusspot_3428 agreed :)
"Hey remember how the animals here look all cartoony and individualistic?"
"Yeah why?"
"What if we made them as realistic as possible, like completely make him look like a normal fox."
"Sir that defeats the entire purpose of..."
"This was not a question Jack."
Fox had actually good design. Movie was shit. Fox was the only good thing about it
This one only positive in the movie makes it seem like they could pull off a remake of Robin Hood or even The Great Mouse Detective, but with their track record of remakes, it will be shit...
*Robin Hood* is a remake since Walt Disney already made a live-action version in England in 1952.
@@Attmay What no way haha! That's pretty cool
In summary: Gepetto has a clock fetish, the fairy has tentacle wings, and Pinocchio is aroused. Also ROOT BEER!!!!
The wings look like those invinsible hands in Elfen Lied
The best thing about this movie, is that everybody can't be more exciting for the Del Toro's adaptation
Your comments on the botched ending are so funny in light of Del Toro’s version
Btw Stromboli is played by an actual Italian actor. Which is funny how everyone talked about the blue fairy for representation but an Italian story set in Italy?
Here's a disturbing thought.
The whole 'turning little boys into donkeys to sell them to the mines/circus/farmers' is horrifying and questionable thing from the original and was meant to be a metaphor in the book as if you don't learn a trade or skill at school at the time of the book being written, the only thing you were good for was hard labor. Aka being worked like a donkey.
Now, the first disney movie had only 'stupid little boys' going to Pleasure Island.
In this remake... There are boys... and girls.
This might seem like something minor and not like a big deal, cause the coachman is a greed as fet jerkwad who would double his profits anyway he could in either version....
But. I can't help but go to the worst possible thing and wonder if he doesn't just sell his new *jennies* aka the girl donkeys for *breeding more donkeys*.
In changing it so that any child can go to this horrible place, Disney has managed to make the whole concept just *that* much worse.
They never think the implications of these things through yet they think they deserve a ticker-tape parade just for obeying anti-discrimination laws.
Hey there buddy um WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU MAKE ME READ THIS
@@nickythedimensionhopper5160 because, if I have to suffer, so should you.
Thanks. Now I need to bleach my eyes and my soul
That's actually closer to the truth than you'd think. In the original story the donkeys were also sold off as sex slaves