Something my father said to me that sticks till this day ..."I'm not raising you for me , I'm raising you for the world son" thanks for every lesson pop's
he understands how life works, this was in times where black people couldn't even leave their town or ride the bus, his kid thinks everything is a cake walk because he hasn't witnessed anything outside that little town of his. Denzel is right the world is a lot worst than one abusive man. if you think your father is the worst thing wait until you go out and meet the world especially with heavy racism at the time
Basically I think his son made a point and Denzel made a more serious point ,getting the house fixed is more important than a television show or whatever else ,When his son asked why don`t you like me ,It`s sad that his son had to ask him such a question maybe because Denzel never felt love furthermore No DAD should degrade his son like Denzel did on that scene (It made me Sick to hear him say that to his son ,(I don`t have to like you) I glad his son didn`t wanna go to his funeral when he died.
“Don’t go through life worrying whether someone likes you or not, you make sure they’re doing right by you”. Extremely true and wise statement! I try to remind myself this often
I mean, i understand what he is refering to, but i would say that sometimes the only way someone can make his path, is by making good connections which leads to good opportunities
"Boy what kinda fool you gotta be to ask me for the time? What makes you think I know the time when I'm spending all of my time providing for your black ass? I dun given up on time and you should too, time is for people that don't gotta work, or provide for they family, that's whose got all the time. You best forget about time, until it's time to get paid! That's the only time I care about. Now get out of my face, before it comes time for you to get another asswhoopin!" I imagine it'd be something like that.
this made me laugh although the whole video n movie was very triggering for me. People, parents are just people and some of them are awful! You have the right to cut toxic people out of your life. Projecting unresolved issues from their childhood and unfulfilled dreams in adulthood onto their kids. Sick!
ENZOtaki why would you have to ask your own father if he liked you or not? Sounds like your dad was a jagoff that didn’t do a good job of treating you like he gave a shit about you.
@@DaveL-hg6ml I mean Casey completely deserved it. I love Denzel and his performance in this is masterclass as always, but Casey's performance is also going as indeed one of the greatest, most subtle, honest and powerful acting performances of all time. Any other year I would have loved to see Denzel winning. He would have legit won in a cakewalk. If Fences was released just a year prior, Denzel would have definitely won over DiCaprio and everyone by a landslide.
This reminds me of my dad so much. I didn't hear the word "love" from my dad until I graduated high school. Growing up, I felt the same way as the son. But now, I understand and me and my dad are closer than ever.
I cant help but think that if he actually came out and said it once in his life, this scene would be justified. But as far as we 're told, the man never tells his kids he loves them. He boils it down to a simple "it's my responsibility". Know why scientists wouldnt be good politicians? Their decision making wouldnt be based on any emotion at all. That's how I see this scene- the guy's been through so much in his life he's incapable of showing any emotion at all to his kids or even his wife. He's taken this 'life's not fair so why should i be kind or considerate' thing to an extreme. Sure, people like that justify it by saying that there's love behind all that talk, but, having had a dad like this. I don't see that.
JIGSAW !! Right. When he told his son that he owed him a responsibility to take care of him that screamed out love. The fact he knew he owed his son his life was enough but sometimes people need to hear "I love you"
Lot of people in this comments section misunderstanding this scene- the "why don't you like me" question didn't have anything to do with the TV- that was just the natural flow of conversation. This isn't a spoilt kid having a tantrum- it's a kid that's always feared and respected his father but never felt any love for him, or had any back.
There was a similar situation with ex lightweight champion beau jack. He was beaten by some street kids when he was shinning shoes. He ran home to his grandmother to complain and was given a beating by her. Now someone could say that was cruel but she was preparing a young black kid for his future in life. And it worked, he was one of the toughest fighters that ever lived
@@andrewparry1008 It wasnt tough love, hes an actual piece of shit. Watch the movie or the play, he tells Cory how he "didnt even want another kid" only to cheat on his wife, try to assault her when she got mad at that revelation, didnt want to sign the paper that would guarantee Cory to join his college football team, forged his brother's (a WW2 veteran) medical papers routing half of his pension to be sent to himself and the hospital forcing his brother to be institutionalized. Hell, when he died Cory even told his mom that he wasnt planning on visiting his funeral.
@UCMYfC2vCLpzqMxeEZs2NZKg nobodys perfect... if you heard the story of his adolesence then you'd know his father was the real peice of shit, so he never knew the love of a father figure so how do you expect him to give love as a father? the man was human facing trials and tribulations like everyone else and delt with them the best way he knew how. At the end of the day he was a father, who didnt beat his kids or wife, who worked, and provided for his family, most don't even get that.
The amount of people being like "Wow! Tough love is so beautiful!" Either didn't watch the same movie or never actually grew up with a father like this
Coddling and overemotional PC BS is what gave us the generation of effeminite, twig-bodied, useless, lazy manchildren we have today. Iron sharpens iron. A boy cannot grow to be a proper, functioning man without the tutelage and experience of another man being shown and taught to him. Period. Tough love is part of that. That's how men have functioned for tens of thousands of years.. and as a result that's how the whole damned world was built. Just one generation of men raised by single mothers is enough to cause a horrendous backslide.. as is evidenced all around us. So you go on and coddle your boy, turn him into a spineless mockery of masculinity. Mine will leave him in the dust.
This doesn’t take away from Denzel Washington’s performance, but check out the version with James Earl Jones. Apart from the words, the two performances couldn’t be more different
I saw James Earl Jones’ version first and just don’t get that same conviction or feeling really watching Denzel’s performance. He did great too of course.
I just saw the james earl version. Cant touch denzel version. I think james earl version is pushing to hard. Over acting. Dezen seem like a true conversation 100% more convincing
@@eduardmcbut his was theatre which you have to project more so those in back can hear!!! I believe he would have delivered it the same way in movie format.. I mean come on now James delivered words in movies like no other wether it be Star wars, coming to America or lion you'll remember a quote and line purely on his delivery of how he said it
“Don’t you go through life worrying about whether somebody like you, you best be making sure they doing right by you.” I felt that and I watch this video every once in a while to stay motivated.
@@danasmie Ignore that last person, cause it's the opposite of what they said. It's about understanding the difference between responsibility, desire, and disposition, most of the scene is about that. Desire is about doing what you want, because you want to do it. Responsibility is about doing the right thing, not because you want to, but because it's the right thing. And the only person's disposition you can control is yours. It's like if you borrow a tool from a neighbor, and later find out they told someone they let you borrow it even though they think you're a slob and you'll never give it back. You have a responsibility to return the tool, despite disliking that person who thinks poorly of you. If you're hinging your giving their tools back on their disposition towards you, then you probably won't give that tool back. You also won't ever get to borrow a tool again from anyone around you though, since they'll probably all find out you never gave the tool back to him. You're not returning it because that person likes or respects you, you're returning it because you owe them a tool, and not returning it is a reflection on who you are, not on who they are. Just like if they agreed to pay you for doing a job, but didn't actually pay you after you did that job, it would reflect poorly on them, not you. Making sure someone does right by you is making sure that when you agree to do something both you and they hold up your ends of the bargain. You don't have to like each other, or even respect each other. You can even hate each other to hell and back, but as long as you both keep your ends of the deal, none of that matters, you both can benefit each other and move on and live your lives afterwards.
@@FredrickTesla Wow, This is an ultimate example for me to be able to understand. Thanks, man. I get it now. I have an example too if I understand you perfectly. Two of my co-workers got into a fight where I was stuck in between. They both agreed without any deal made to help each other at work. but outside of work, they don't even greet each other.
i even ask that question my dad he bring my mother into situation :( rip she passed away when i was born, so apparently my dad blames me for my mom's death idk man i believe God, angels, the holy books, and messengers aka prophets, so i know the rules of islam i believe so i guess my dad he is not a true believer i guess he don't know what faith its.
I feel that this movie deals with the complexity of fatherhood beautifully. The paradox between what is considered “abusive” and “good parenting”. You see the generational trauma and it is being repeated. Yet you feel for the dad who was just that son long ago. When having an adverse parent, it gets very complicated on understanding the difference between love and disciplining/teaching is. This film makes me think of my dad as that grey figure in a way I couldn’t put into words.
If he does not raise his son and prepare him then he may not see his son grow and someone else will hurt him much more-it’s a sacrifice knowing that if you are tough with your children then no one else has to be tougher and they can survive. No parent should ever go through losing a child.
Birdie Wolf That isn't the point. Sure show them affection, but make sure they are strong enough of mind and of heart not to be influenced by whether or not somebody likes them. I'd say my father working his ass off and my mother making sure we were cooked good dinners and had a good clean home is the highest form of affection there is. If anything I owe them the affection because that's all I have to give them.
just so everyone knows this skipped a whole scene that led to the kid asking why he never liked him. it wasn't that abrupt, it had a climax up to that final scene.
I was just thinking about that. Like how can you be all cheerful and happy with your pops, talking about buying a TV, and then getting all serious asking how come he never liked him the next second? Bipolar I guess?
Yeah, I performed this very scene in my Acting class just last week. The transition was jarring as hell. Missed both the conversation about the Pirates and - more importantly - the conversation about Cory joining the football team. There's a lot of anger that built up between the two during that transition.
Denzel is just sensational. This scene is heartbreaking, somewhat inspiring, rage inducing, and sobering all at the same time. And he creates all of those emotions in you. Just master class.
Oldschool parents showed there love with the roughness the talk. You won't hear I love you but man did it come with more than what you herd. I know this now .... I do ... I would give anything to hear my father give wisdom like he did.. love those who stood by you who held you up who can stand by you. That's a blessing .... I do it for you (my son)
This is just another example in a long line of examples of why Denzel is one of the greatest actors of our time. In the original Broadway play back in the 80s, James Earl Jones played Denzel's character. You should Google this scene with James Earl Jones doing it. Denzel had to do it on the screen. And I'd say he does a pretty damn good job.
This scene started out so good. Just a nice interaction between father and son and then it went left. That’s how it is to be in a volatile home. You never know if what you say or do, no matter how small, will blow up. I lived like that, and it’s terrifying. Watching this movie always makes me cry
I lived in a similar home, walking on egg shells all the time around my dad, but I don't feel like this was "blowing up." His son's question hurt him, but he didn't say those things to hurt him back, he did so to teach him a lesson that was painstakingly obvious, so much so that his son couldn't see the tree for the forest. He doesn't like him, he loves him, and love comes in a lot of flavors, up to and including a lot of sacrifices just so someone else can be comfortable and happy. Not to mention that worrying about whether or not someone likes you is going to hold you back a lot in life, anyway. This is actually a lesson I wish I had learned much earlier on. It's a much more mature and realistic way of viewing the world rather than worrying about what's going on inside of your own bubble.
When Denzel told him to straighten up, I instinctively obeyed him. Didn’t even think about it. That’s the power of this guy’s acting. He’s playing a character who’s talking to another character and I took his order as if it were meant for me without hesitation.
This is a powerful scene, does make me think of the non existent relationship I had with my father. It teaches you quite a lot about life and the relationship we have with our father. The bonding in the scene and general chit chat is a fathers way of showing love. There’s no harm in telling our kids now and again “that we love them” that’s what is lacking in life.
Yeah, those talks with dad start to make sense the older you get as a man. At the time you were like WTF but if you take this in, you find your purpose in life pretty quick and don't worry about things like being 'liked' or people being 'nice' to you.
lol, If I ever hear the words from my dad, "I love you". I would literally rob a bank and buy him whatsoever he wanted. He would have thai massages for the rest of his life. 😂
My father has never said he loves me, not once, but he shows it in many ways, pulling me out of debt, building stuff, giving m anything i ever need, he would lay down his his life
This one of the best scenes done by Denzel. It is a complicated and emotional scene. It is easy to say that the father was an asshole and blah, blah, blah. And, it is easy to say that the son despised his father because of incidents like this. What this scene shows his how two people speak a different language but want the same thing: love and respect. Having been on both sides of this kind of interaction, I sympathize and empathize w/both characters. The son just wants the occasional hug, "I love you," shoot the shit moment w/o his dad always giving him a lesson in his hardened way. For the son, his love language is words of affirmation and touch. For the dad, he likes spending time w/his son and that it not involve a want for something, or that his son genuinely want to be around him. His father's love language is acts of service and quality time (ironic in a way). Yes, the father is ungrateful, unappreciative, hardened, and a downright asshole sometimes. However, I don't think it's fair to assume that people like him cause their children to be sociopaths and whatever. We still choose our own paths and must take responsibility for how we (not a guarantee) want our future life to go.
This is the most logical comprehensive explanation I've seen out of all the comments on this video. Everyone going in on the father not realising his hardened way of doing things is simply because that's how he knows how to give and receive love, not that he does not love at all.
This was my relationship with my father to a T - only said he was proud of me twice in my life, but yes he did provide for me, I always say my parents didn't love us but that they were responsible for us, needed heavy therapy but a lot of his lessons still keep me centered in the crazy world we have today, I don't hate him but I understand
I think men like this usually lived hard lives. It can make you very straight to the point and that can be hard for people to handle much less a young man. I dont think they do it out of intentionally being mean or callous but often see the world as a rough and unforgiving place and that coddling and babying your kids but specifically a young man is not how you build strong and resilient men. That being said i think theres a balance. Steadiness, sternness, stoicism tempered with compassion.
This scene hurts me to my core every time I see it come across my feed. To me, this is a hard lesson in tough love that his kid wasn't ready for, just because he didn't feel loved. I grew up with a father who was absent because he didn't think I was his. My mothers' first marriage after him resulted in physical abuse to both of us for years. When she finally got away from him and remarried, my then step dad was like this all the time. In 20+ years, he never told me he loved me once, and I hated asking him for help with anything because I felt like a burden and he was quick to say no. When I was in my teenage years my friends would have sleep overs to play new video games or watch movies all night, I'd often miss them because I was too worried to ask. I have a very hard time communicating feelings these days and sometimes I feel like I've absorbed a bit too much of his demeanor. If children are ever in my future, they'll never have to worry about knowing if they're loved and not feeling like a burden.
it takes wisdom and strength to break the family curses and rise above the trauma they imparted. your future children will be blessed with you as a father
Lot of idiots in the comments who missed the point of the movie. Food, clothing and shelter isn't all a father should provide. Here is a great MLK quote on the subject: "unenforceable obligations are beyond the reach of the laws of society. They concern inner attitudes, genuine person to person relations, and expressions of compassion which law books cannot regulate and jails cannot rectify. Such obligations are met by one’s commitment to an inner law, written on the heart. Man made laws assure justice, but a higher law produces love. No code of conduct ever persuaded a father to love his children or a husband to show affection to his wife. The law court may force him to provide bread for the family, but it cannot make him provide the bread of love. A good father is obedient to the unenforceable." Troys attitude to parenting didn't make his son stronger or better than he otherwise could have been. It destroyed his family and his relationship with his son. People shouldn't romanticize the "stern father" trope. This movies message is that being stern and withholding love and compassion will tear a family apart and only make children resent their fathers.
tbh id rather struggle with my father together barely have clothes and meals and hear a reassuring he cares for me than an ice cold jackass whos bitter because life fucked him over. this scene honestly can go both ways he doesnt have to like his son but when his son grows up and makes it in life he doesnt have to like him. pretty sure he will regret that on his dying bed.
I love how you assume you understood everything better than everyone. But the story is not yours, the thing is not about assess the parenting and agree or disagree. A movie, a story, is not about what it should be in your eyes. The father here is a construction of his past and its experience and the reality he lived in. He is a Black man who didnt make fancy studies, missed his opportunity to be a high level athlete and kinda escape from the reality of most of the Black men. He had a family and accept to sit on his dreams, aspirations to make things right and provide for his family. His knowledge and experience of the world is that expression of emotions are not what matters the most but the actions, the body of work. If you want people to be right by you, you should be doing the right thing too whether or not you like it ! The system does not have to like you, the governement doesnt have to either, the police also and even members of your family. I am not saying he is right or not, or even that he delivererd his message the proper way. But in his way he is trying prepare his son for the world he knows and lives in. The man was simply hurt that is son who is not a kid anymore failed to appreciated his dedication, commitment to his family, it felt like his entire life was questioned or amounted to so little since his son can not even get that his family, his home was all and everything he accomplished his whole life. Every lesson or approach have a counterpart. Most of the time there is not good or perfect fathers just some doing their best.
@@marcolee8481 this scene objectively displays an example of terrible parenting. No room for interpretation. It's a psychology issue - if fathers were like Denzel's character here, most people would end up achieving less, suffering more, and having to deal with traumas and insecurity. As it in fact happened in the movie. Denzel's family and his relationship with them was ruined. The amount of people who don't understand this scene is scary.
@@runningdecadeix4780 This is your point of view with your standards. You are not describing with your comment what you understood or what transpires in the scene. You are merely judging the way of parenting of the man. We are the results of our experience and our social context for the most part and therefore is shaped our understanding of the world, our values, which tools/mindset we want our children to have and how we want them to be prepared once they are on their own. You are judging his parenting based on your value, your context, your experience, but you dont know better since you dont know how the son turn out later. It might have been shaping moment providing him the mental toughness to go through the hardships Black people seems to be dealing with in the context of the movie. Good parenting is not something universal. And perfect parenting does not exist !
@@marcolee8481 he's judging based on psychology and statistics. This type of parenting is toxic, maybe the reason you're trying so hard to justify it is because you do the same thing. Just keep in mind that your children may not like or love you as time goes on.
You can see it in his eyes and his voice that it hurt him to know that his son thinks he doesn't like him or love him i love this scene it shows you what a man is suppose to be that a father shows love with action not words and yes he may not be perfect but provide, protect, and guide your son with every cell in your body ❤
In the movie this scene shows that the father does not really love him, but it is more concerned about fulfilling "his duty" than in loving his family. He does not "guide" his son (even if in this scene he is right about buying the tv.) The father becomes overprotective because he is afraid of losing them (thence the name of the movie "Fences".) In fact, when the man enter in a relationship with another woman besides his wife, he does not see that he is not "fulfilling his duty." There is a very poor love towards his wife and his children. It is a very good movie, full of symbolism, with great script and actors, worth watching more than once.
This seems like a good way to build resentment and emotional issues like lack of closure for your child. As if the mind and soul isn’t something to help grow as well
"shows love with action not words." from what i see he has lots of words, but he is simply a coward to not tell his son he loves him. it can still be his responsebility to care for him but he can love him at the same time. he could have said what he is trying to accomplish: i dont say the words. i show you with actions. which you should understand." but he tries the hard way, leaving his boy unfulfilled on the way. he should just make clear how he operates to genereate a better understanding for the relationship between them.
Man, Denzel is easily my favorite actor. I can’t think of a single movie he’s in that was a disappointment. My favorites are man on fire, remember the Titans, training day, American gangster, book of Eli and the list goes on
Man on Fire is one of favorite movies & is probably one of his least talked movies. He was a man without purpose & when that little girl gave him purpose he was willing to die for it
@@greatnessinthemaking7245 our parents honestly owe us nothing after a time in my opinion you can't play victim because your parents did you wrong. God said if our mother and father forshaken me he will take us up ...Growing my mother was hard so l can relate to this character l often thought the same . Then when l became adult understood how life can weigh you down and through the eyes of others some parents just didn't know how to love because their parents never taught love or show them how to love... End the movie was priceless he finally understood why father was the way he was..
Not disregarding how he must of felt but as children we dont see all mother father goes through to provide for us... or even understand until we become parents ourselves
The kid is 18, he is about to head out the door, and if the parents want to make sure they'll survive out there, they need to understand what is coming.
ABOTTSTORMGOD thank you. And thats what he was telling him. Being a father isnt about saying "i like you" giving life and giving the natural necessities is showing actions of LOVE
EXACTLY! Do you know how many people say I love you or I like you everyday and their actions don’t back it up? I rather have someone who never says I love you but their actions say it than someone who says they love me and their action speak no volume. If you’ve found someone who both says and shows they love you - that’s a genuine treasure.
Did you all even watch the movie? He didn't show he loved his son at all the entire movie. All he showed the entire time was that he was angry at the world for seemingly screwing him at every turn. He was angry at the life that was stolen from him when he got tied down with unexpected children. How those children forced him into a marriage he wasn't ready for. If at any point during the movie he made even one comment to his son about how he was tough on him because it was best for him and that he would shoulder the resentment to make sure he learned that because he cared about what happened to him... you could maybe make the argument he did it out of love, albeit tough. This was him just being a resentful old man who took out his pain on those who loved him, but that wasn't enough. Proof being in how he also was completely oblivious to how his wife, that he cheated on by the way, also sacrificed her own dreams in order to try and make the family work for his sake because she cared.
I’m so happy my dad wasn’t like this. My dad always hugged me,told me loved me,complimented me and everything. My dad was truly my best pal until the day he died. He taught me how to be kind,how to help people who need it,even if there’s nothing in it for you. His saying was “see a need,fill a need”. He knew that his son needed love and affection to grow into a person who would go on to spread that love with everyone I meet. I love my dad
aww damn James. Asking someone if they love you or not is actually a very selfish thing. Kids will say I love you and all, but they don't have the actions to back up their words.
What's wrong with PEOPLE about telling them I LOVE YOU Doesn't mean much Anybody can say I LOVE YOU but doesn't MEAN IT My opinion, the better way is to SHOW IT
What makes this scene so powerful is what you bring to it. As someone who grew up without a father, it's definitely interesting to see different variants on what a "dad" should be. For me, with no expectations, or rather, none because my dad left before I was born, I took this scene to be double-speak. He was clearly trying to teach his son a lesson that in the real world, you should never have an expectation to be "liked"- it sets you up for failure in so many ways. But in his own way, in his own words, he was saying he liked him. The problem with people like Troy is their lives were so hard and so fought for that to them, "liking" IS strictly transactional. And for someone like Troy, he was saying he liked his son. In the movie, there are shades of this fact- hell the scene even starts with him not berating his sons obvious flimsy choices of "roof" or "TV", he was pretty jovial about it. But for someone like, emotion is transactional- he expects something to be given to him because he expects everyone to ask that in return.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants if you read the book and watched the original play that this movie is based on, you would understand why Denzel’s character is the way he is. It’s sad and tragic at the same time, he was trying to be the best father that he could be, but in many peoples eyes, he was a bad father who cheated on his wife
Just to let you guys know Men never really said things like "love" because it was a sign of weakness He still had appreciation for his son. You can feel some of his emotions at 4:20 ... Denzel Washington is a amazing actor
My father game me a sense of responsibility growing up. I appreciate that way more than his validation! Stood alone on the top of the mountain ever since because of him... Thank you papa!
I absolutely agree. It's a tough lesson and doesn't feel good but it's reality. If people took responsibility in life the world would be a much better place. Be a man and be responsible. It's hard but that's life men and women suck it up and go through it every day and when they get that pay check they don't waste it on rubbish.
@@FlyingSaucerEyez if you focus on the obligation and not him acknowledging his obligation then you got some growing up to do. It's the acknowledging within this statement that makes it special between father and son. I should kno. I'm obligated but not mandated...let that sink in..
The best way to say "I love you" to a son is fucking saying "I love you" That movie is about he is a dead beat husband and father and that shit is exactly why Man, what a lot of men would give without knowing for hearing their dad say "I love you" to them
Definitely one of his best scenes with regard to his acting ability. When Denzel does it right 👍 he goes all the way!! Thank you Denzel for entertaining us all these years 💯😘
So chastising a child at every single turn is "tough love"? Cheating on his wife and not even apologizing or regretting it, just throwing it in her face is tough love too? IMO, Troy was just a bitter douchebag. His position in society was shit, his job was shit, his financial situation was shit, his friends were shit - his life was shit. He wasn't particularly smart, he drank, he was pretty much a failure and a better tomorrow was nowhere in sight. That's why he took out his own insecurities and disappointment on his family.
Precisely. This could be seen as tough love if he ever at any point took the time to express to his son that he was so stern because he cared and didn't want to see him end up like he did. But he doesn't, not once. I don't care how anti-loving/affection you are as a parent if you never hold your kid or have a conversation about how you want the best for them because you care.. then there is no love. This guy was just angry at the world for all the shit he had to take, a lot of it being his own fault for having an unexpected child in the first place. Then following it up with never communicating how he felt with his wife, that he eventually cheated on and ruined his marriage completely, or to his son.
If you have a kid its your responsibility to both provide and love them. The first gives them physical safety and security and the second mental and emotional safety
Black men didn't know anything about mental or emotional safety back then. They were trying to make sure their sons could survive in a world that hated them on sight and would just as soon hang them as look at them.
at 41 years old this scene jus had me emotional like a bitch..like hearing my daddy speak to me,raising me with values,and respect that I didn't understand then.."my duty " words people now a days can't comprehend. thank you sir for the upload
Being a father is more than a duty. He made his son seem like a chore. Going to work n supporting your family doesn't make one a great parent,sure it counts as, but it's nothing wrong with showing your kids love emotionally each n every day. We aren't gaurenteed tomorrow n Denzel's character was not a good listener,as many fathers. His son was telling him how he felt by asking a question that took courage, all while Denzel mocked. Being hard works to a point.
luis Soto: I can understand that raising one's child is a DUTY... and I'm all for that Hard Love... that Spartan treatment. But when you cut him down, and cut some more... and then blame him for coming up short... that's when I have a problem... This is not love, it's aggression mask as love for selfish reasons... You will never see a MAN beat a dog down for entertainment.... much more his own son.
True that, but listening is what failed densely in this seen. He is so busy talking over his kid and his wife, he fails to hear his son on how his son feels his father thinks of him. No you don't have to be friends with your kids, but you don't need to he their enemy either. Life teachings happen regardless if a parent teaches it or not, life finds a way to teach. It's better to be prepared, as what denzel is doing here. But his some left home early and unhappy because of his father not showing him the kind of love he needed. He gave him direction, but paralyzed any emotional bond a father and son should share. A some shouldn't be afraid of his father, but trust in him. Guys like this usually end up alone, with their kids and wife leaving them because if their inflexibility and stubbornness. Scene it plenty
I can relate to this scene; my daddy was a disciplinarian; a hard man! I can remember growing as a kid; I was so afraid of him it would take me all day long to build up my nerve just to ask him a question; not because I didn't want to know these answer ( which was always no) but not to hear they sound of his voice! My daddy taught thought Love! But then bottom line; it was love!!! and I thank him for that kinda of Love because it was genuine!
That scene broke my heart. All he ever wanted was to be loved by his father. It's hard to love anyone in this world when your own family doesn't teach you how to love first. Even harder to love yourself afterwards.
Just a kid who wanted to watch tv with his pops smh… what a generational trauma thing 😢 its crazy to see others perspectives and pov’s .. I go thru this , never know how to explain or vent about it.. just see it , feel it , and feel for it .. I love yall man
My dad was old school. It took me a while to get passed the fact he was teaching me how to be a man. How to make decisions and stand by them. How to stand on my own 2 feet. We battled when I was younger but in the end I learned he was showing he loved me the best way he knew how. I make sure my son hears it from me now but I get my dad was showing me in his own tough old school way.
“I gave you everything I’ve had to give you, I gave you your LIFE.” And “Don’t you try and go through life worrying about if somebody like you or not. You best be making sure they doing right by you. You understand what I’m saying?” Are such beautiful lines. It kinda shows his true intentions here.
Happy Father's day! One of the truest scenes of what it means to be a father. Explaining to your children the hard facts of life. Don't worry about whether someone likes you; worry about if they are doing right by you! 🎉
I see a lot of people comments saying you can’t care about how the world thinks of you, if you really watch the video the son wasn’t saying why the world doesn’t like me, he was saying why my dad doesn’t like me. And for the parents out there please go hug your child and say that you love him/her, ain’t no harm to say I love you, yes action speak louder than words but like I said what’s the harm. You don’t have to be your child’s best friend but you definitely don’t wanna be his/her worst enemy. So go love you child, spend the day with them or etc
Back when men were men they taught and passed on life lessons (Jewels) daily to young men that would help build them and carry them through life! Coddling and hugs and kisses have their places but teaching and raising a man takes a man and this scene was tough but a great example of life lessons and necessary (at times) tough Love! ✊🏾🖤
So life lessons include calling your child out of his name to make a point? Making him feel stupid for doing something that the parent lacks? That part is a no for me but straightening up and not worrying about people not liking you then fine. But we're talking about a family so who needs enemies when your own people don't like you? 🤷
@@jessicagousse85 your lookin at it from a mother’s standpoint you gotta understand that fathers aren’t meant to coddle their children especially they’re sons
@@jessicagousse85 “Hard times, create strong men. Strong men, create good times. Good times, create weak men. Weak men, create hard times.“ - A wise man I can’t recall
@@death2beta843 Nobodys talking coddling. Troy was an abusive narcissist. Bro loved hearing himself talk but all he said was bullshit. Fathers like this don’t create real men. They either create abusive ppl who emulate their fathers, or they create broken men with emotional issues because of all that fear from childhood.
This seems to have stired a conversation on parenting so I'll give my two sense on this scene. There's no deeper meaning to what Denzel is saying. He isn't telling his son he loves him, isn't trying to teach him a lesson about doing right by people. He's a man who only views taking care of his family as a burden. Something he has to do because that's how things work in his mind. To go deeper Denzel was abused by his father and doesn't want to do the same. He doesn't take care of his kids and family because he loves them he does it because he thinks it proves he's a better person then his father. I've met lots of people who do this irl try to do everything to have the seemingly perfect family not for the sake of their family but for the same of their own ego. It almost always falls apart because people are messy, complex, and flawed. They don't fit into their cookie cutter molds for what a family is supposed to be and because theirs no actual love their, to keep a connection strong as the world bends and shakes around them it all just falls apart.
My mother or father never told me they loved me. Your right, without love there is no connection.We all need love and we want to hear it from our parents.
That’s the truest thing I have ever heard, when you grown up in a broken home and forced to grow up early you focus to hard on being the opposite of how you came up you don’t realize your destroying your own family by filling the need to have to do better or prove yourself to go above and beyond till it’s to late then your looking in the mirror at everything you did your best to avoid but only you became try successful is just being there and allowing yourself to show you love them no matter what
The emotion he conveys in this scene is incredible. At first, he’s trying to instill a sense of responsibility in his son by telling him to honor his commitment to helping him w the fence, while trying to teach him to be intelligent w his life decisions talking about the tv and the roof. When it comes to the “why don’t you like me” ?, you can see two different phases of emotions for the character-at first, he’s angry, not at his son, but at the situation for black people they way it is, fighting just to be treated fairly, he himself not understanding why it takes a literal fight to just be able to sit at the same lunch counter or at the front of a bus (and NO, I AM NOT IN ANY WAY A LIBERAL OR MILLENNIAL, you just can’t deny the reality of the times), and finally his features and tone soften, showing the hurt he has at the realization that his son will have to fight those same issues, pleading w him to not waste time worrying about such trivial things like who likes him, just keep fighting and make sure you don’t get stepped on
THIS!! You can see he DOES love his son, just not in the way the son is able to receive it.... he's simply showing love the way he knows how ie being physically there, teaching him life skills (cutting the planks, the TV/ roof situation) and providing amenities.
There was absolutely no reason you needed to specify that you're not a liberal but you still care. That's just saying in order to have empathy about these topics you HAVE to be a liberal. You're insinuating that republicans (or whatever party you fall under) don't care about anyone but themselves and certainly don't have any empathy for minority groups past and present. Of course we all knew that already, but now you're just proving the point.
you lost me with having to clarify that you aren't a liberal or a millennial. Like those two groups are cancer on this earth and somehow addressing racism is something only those people can do?
See I think it's more about responsibility and the ideals of being a man, and what you're supposed to do. Taking care of ones family He chose to have a kid so he bears the burden of responsibility for keeping this kid, alive, fed and has a place to sleep. knowing your and others responsibilities is important for knowing when someone needs to take care of you, or when you need to step up I don't think I'm this scene or what he's saying race comes into it to much, as the idea of who is responsible for what is a global idea
Most people go through life trying to get people to like them to the point where they completely become insecure. Best example is those who chase likes and followers on social media to feel good about themselves. The point he made here is that one shouldn't care about being like by someone. Do unto others what you would have them do unto you. Stop wasting your time trying to get people to like/love you. The major reason for most toxic relationships nowadays.
Mrlostpoet "Most"? Speak for yourself. Not everyone is running around nipping at other people's heels hoping they'll pay attention to them. That's an extremely dangerous assumption. Believe it or not, some of us are actually capable of taking care of ourselves
The thing is, he may not have to like his son, but he SHOULD. You can provide everything for your children, but if you don't give them love and affection and let them know that they're loved then none of that matters.
The scariest and incredible thing, is this is my father.. and spent most of my life hating my father till i got old enough to understand my father.. now i cheerish that old man.. sometimes is hard to understand a tough hard nail proud guy, cuz they dont show love like most people, but they do alot.
Hammering Hank yeah at around 2:33 its skips the conversation while they cut the wood. i don't know why someone would edit it out, lol its almost as if Denzel's character uploaded this. i think they talk about the sons sports scholarship but his dad basically forbids him out of a stubborn jealousy. he didn't get a sports career because of (mostly) racism when he was young
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Something my father said to me that sticks till this day ..."I'm not raising you for me , I'm raising you for the world son" thanks for every lesson pop's
I like that man. I will tell my sons one day 👍
he understands how life works, this was in times where black people couldn't even leave their town or ride the bus, his kid thinks everything is a cake walk because he hasn't witnessed anything outside that little town of his. Denzel is right the world is a lot worst than one abusive man. if you think your father is the worst thing wait until you go out and meet the world especially with heavy racism at the time
Thats beautiful
@@pedrojello8983 fuck racists.
GOD BLESS YOUR DAD
Son: “dad i have a question.”
Denzel: “i’m about to end this man’s whole career.”
Lmao
Rite
Basically I think his son made a point and Denzel made a more serious point ,getting the house fixed is more important than a television show or whatever else ,When his son asked why don`t you like me ,It`s sad that his son had to ask him such a question maybe because Denzel never felt love furthermore No DAD should degrade his son like Denzel did on that scene (It made me Sick to hear him say that to his son ,(I don`t have to like you) I glad his son didn`t wanna go to his funeral when he died.
His career? 530 likes? This stupid ass shit? Wtf?
...but I'm not a rapper.
One of the greatest actors alive, a living legend.
I don't think he's acting.
@@phillipleng4757 he’s clearly acting
@@poett8875 You didn't get it, karen
@@aleXtreme_ how is that a karen ? 😂
@@aleXtreme_ Clearly only a Karen would get it. It makes no sense to anyone else
“Don’t go through life worrying whether someone likes you or not, you make sure they’re doing right by you”. Extremely true and wise statement! I try to remind myself this often
But he didn't do right by his wife.
"trying to" then you aint doing it
@@Utubeiswack he sure did not.
I mean, i understand what he is refering to, but i would say that sometimes the only way someone can make his path, is by making good connections which leads to good opportunities
You can be friends with your kids when they are young or you can be friends when they are old.
You can’t have both
"hey pop whats the time?" ..... dad drops another lecture....
02amh 😂😂😂...I can hear him now; " what law says I gots to tell you the time, I ain't got to tell you no damn time"...blah blah blah whoopty woo
"Boy what kinda fool you gotta be to ask me for the time? What makes you think I know the time when I'm spending all of my time providing for your black ass? I dun given up on time and you should too, time is for people that don't gotta work, or provide for they family, that's whose got all the time. You best forget about time, until it's time to get paid! That's the only time I care about. Now get out of my face, before it comes time for you to get another asswhoopin!" I imagine it'd be something like that.
@@TheWarbeast60 LMAO! PERFECT HUNTER LOL
this made me laugh although the whole video n movie was very triggering for me. People, parents are just people and some of them are awful! You have the right to cut toxic people out of your life. Projecting unresolved issues from their childhood and unfulfilled dreams in adulthood onto their kids. Sick!
@@TheWarbeast60 Big W hahahahaha 💪🏽😂😂
I asked my dad the same question and he laughed and said,
“Son, I don’t like you...I love you.” 😭😌
Jhon Ester kid, shut up
@Jhon Ester shit that's how it is
ENZOtaki why would you have to ask your own father if he liked you or not?
Sounds like your dad was a jagoff that didn’t do a good job of treating you like he gave a shit about you.
Your dad’s a BETAAAA
Which pretty much sums up this scene.
The way he said "nigga"
Deserved an oscar alone.
Call me sir, I call u nigga 😆🤣🤣
I was so disappointed when they gave it too Casey Afleck
@@DaveL-hg6ml I mean Casey completely deserved it. I love Denzel and his performance in this is masterclass as always, but Casey's performance is also going as indeed one of the greatest, most subtle, honest and powerful acting performances of all time. Any other year I would have loved to see Denzel winning. He would have legit won in a cakewalk. If Fences was released just a year prior, Denzel would have definitely won over DiCaprio and everyone by a landslide.
WOAH THERE
@@Izaan2810 I dunno about that, Casey has always came off very dry as an actor to me.
This reminds me of my dad so much. I didn't hear the word "love" from my dad until I graduated high school. Growing up, I felt the same way as the son. But now, I understand and me and my dad are closer than ever.
Same here
He was telling his son he loved him without actually saying it
SSJGOKU612 !! Exactly. Basically telling him life is hard. Not everyone is going to like you. But you should make damn sure that they respect you.
... and in addition to all that the fact that when you know someone loves you truly, it's known and really not necessarily spoken.
I cant help but think that if he actually came out and said it once in his life, this scene would be justified. But as far as we 're told, the man never tells his kids he loves them. He boils it down to a simple "it's my responsibility".
Know why scientists wouldnt be good politicians? Their decision making wouldnt be based on any emotion at all. That's how I see this scene- the guy's been through so much in his life he's incapable of showing any emotion at all to his kids or even his wife. He's taken this 'life's not fair so why should i be kind or considerate' thing to an extreme. Sure, people like that justify it by saying that there's love behind all that talk, but, having had a dad like this. I don't see that.
JIGSAW !! Yes
JIGSAW !! Right. When he told his son that he owed him a responsibility to take care of him that screamed out love. The fact he knew he owed his son his life was enough but sometimes people need to hear "I love you"
Lot of people in this comments section misunderstanding this scene- the "why don't you like me" question didn't have anything to do with the TV- that was just the natural flow of conversation. This isn't a spoilt kid having a tantrum- it's a kid that's always feared and respected his father but never felt any love for him, or had any back.
Thank you for clarifying this.
His dad loved him. He just gave him the tough loved he needed to get by in life.
There was a similar situation with ex lightweight champion beau jack. He was beaten by some street kids when he was shinning shoes. He ran home to his grandmother to complain and was given a beating by her. Now someone could say that was cruel but she was preparing a young black kid for his future in life. And it worked, he was one of the toughest fighters that ever lived
@@andrewparry1008 It wasnt tough love, hes an actual piece of shit. Watch the movie or the play, he tells Cory how he "didnt even want another kid" only to cheat on his wife, try to assault her when she got mad at that revelation, didnt want to sign the paper that would guarantee Cory to join his college football team, forged his brother's (a WW2 veteran) medical papers routing half of his pension to be sent to himself and the hospital forcing his brother to be institutionalized. Hell, when he died Cory even told his mom that he wasnt planning on visiting his funeral.
@UCMYfC2vCLpzqMxeEZs2NZKg nobodys perfect... if you heard the story of his adolesence then you'd know his father was the real peice of shit, so he never knew the love of a father figure so how do you expect him to give love as a father? the man was human facing trials and tribulations like everyone else and delt with them the best way he knew how. At the end of the day he was a father, who didnt beat his kids or wife, who worked, and provided for his family, most don't even get that.
The amount of people being like "Wow! Tough love is so beautiful!"
Either didn't watch the same movie or never actually grew up with a father like this
I know right, it's surprising. It was hard to watch this movie for me since he reminded me so much of my own father.
@@jassskmaster7575 for real man
Coddling and overemotional PC BS is what gave us the generation of effeminite, twig-bodied, useless, lazy manchildren we have today.
Iron sharpens iron. A boy cannot grow to be a proper, functioning man without the tutelage and experience of another man being shown and taught to him. Period. Tough love is part of that. That's how men have functioned for tens of thousands of years.. and as a result that's how the whole damned world was built. Just one generation of men raised by single mothers is enough to cause a horrendous backslide.. as is evidenced all around us.
So you go on and coddle your boy, turn him into a spineless mockery of masculinity. Mine will leave him in the dust.
@@Stuff59042 sooo that’s 3 hugs total as a child? Or none at all?
@@Stuff59042 does your boy still talk to you? Will he come visit you when you’re about to leave this earth?
Whether it’s part of a script or not, I don’t think many people can deliver a message quite as convincing as Denzel can
It’s word for word the script! August Wilson is a BEAST!!!
This doesn’t take away from Denzel Washington’s performance, but check out the version with James Earl Jones. Apart from the words, the two performances couldn’t be more different
I saw James Earl Jones’ version first and just don’t get that same conviction or feeling really watching Denzel’s performance. He did great too of course.
I just saw the james earl version. Cant touch denzel version. I think james earl version is pushing to hard. Over acting. Dezen seem like a true conversation 100% more convincing
@@eduardmcbut his was theatre which you have to project more so those in back can hear!!!
I believe he would have delivered it the same way in movie format.. I mean come on now James delivered words in movies like no other wether it be Star wars, coming to America or lion you'll remember a quote and line purely on his delivery of how he said it
It’s ok to tell your son you love him and you’re proud of him.
It’s not that difficult.
Actions speak louder than words!
Mookaron that has nothing to do with his comment
@@plugcap2604 Are you some type of professor? 🤔
Mookaron If i wanted to be i could 🤫
@@plugcap2604 That means no, so don't tell me what somebody else comment means to me.
“Don’t you go through life worrying about whether somebody like you, you best be making sure they doing right by you.”
I felt that and I watch this video every once in a while to stay motivated.
you best be making sure they doing right by you.” what does that mean?
@@danasmie they better be respecting you
@@danasmie Ignore that last person, cause it's the opposite of what they said. It's about understanding the difference between responsibility, desire, and disposition, most of the scene is about that. Desire is about doing what you want, because you want to do it. Responsibility is about doing the right thing, not because you want to, but because it's the right thing. And the only person's disposition you can control is yours.
It's like if you borrow a tool from a neighbor, and later find out they told someone they let you borrow it even though they think you're a slob and you'll never give it back. You have a responsibility to return the tool, despite disliking that person who thinks poorly of you. If you're hinging your giving their tools back on their disposition towards you, then you probably won't give that tool back. You also won't ever get to borrow a tool again from anyone around you though, since they'll probably all find out you never gave the tool back to him. You're not returning it because that person likes or respects you, you're returning it because you owe them a tool, and not returning it is a reflection on who you are, not on who they are. Just like if they agreed to pay you for doing a job, but didn't actually pay you after you did that job, it would reflect poorly on them, not you.
Making sure someone does right by you is making sure that when you agree to do something both you and they hold up your ends of the bargain. You don't have to like each other, or even respect each other. You can even hate each other to hell and back, but as long as you both keep your ends of the deal, none of that matters, you both can benefit each other and move on and live your lives afterwards.
@@FredrickTesla Wow, This is an ultimate example for me to be able to understand. Thanks, man. I get it now. I have an example too if I understand you perfectly. Two of my co-workers got into a fight where I was stuck in between. They both agreed without any deal made to help each other at work. but outside of work, they don't even greet each other.
facts..
This scene is 100% my father growing up...It legit gave me chills.
I was just thinking how abusive it was
if you did your damn chores like he to told you to you wouldn't have your issues.
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There is nothing abusive about what is said here... What are you on about?
i even ask that question my dad he bring my mother into situation :( rip she passed away when i was born, so apparently my dad blames me for my mom's death idk man i believe God, angels, the holy books, and messengers aka prophets, so i know the rules of islam i believe so i guess my dad he is not a true believer i guess he don't know what faith its.
I feel that this movie deals with the complexity of fatherhood beautifully. The paradox between what is considered “abusive” and “good parenting”. You see the generational trauma and it is being repeated. Yet you feel for the dad who was just that son long ago. When having an adverse parent, it gets very complicated on understanding the difference between love and disciplining/teaching is. This film makes me think of my dad as that grey figure in a way I couldn’t put into words.
If he does not raise his son and prepare him then he may not see his son grow and someone else will hurt him much more-it’s a sacrifice knowing that if you are tough with your children then no one else has to be tougher and they can survive. No parent should ever go through losing a child.
He didn't ever say he didn't like him, just not to worry about whether someone liked him or not.
Cody Tanksley he told him why it didn't matter weather someone liked him it just mattered weather they were doing right by him.
Cody Tanksley exactly....That's what i got out of it....
I got out of it that he loves his child and he is his responsibility tough love right there
Don't be endorsing this. Please show your damn kids some affection.
Birdie Wolf
That isn't the point. Sure show them affection, but make sure they are strong enough of mind and of heart not to be influenced by whether or not somebody likes them. I'd say my father working his ass off and my mother making sure we were cooked good dinners and had a good clean home is the highest form of affection there is. If anything I owe them the affection because that's all I have to give them.
It's crazy how he has a calm voice and tone yet he's intimidating, the way he speaks
Yep, I love how he sticks his finger in the kid's chest but never actually touches him.
"I give you your LIFE" 4:18
the way Denzel lands that line gives me chills every time. what an inimitably incredible actor.
Please protect Denzel we can’t lose this legend! The best to do it
Some Group therapy shit going on in the comments lol.
Right? Too many hugs or not enough; it's all the same.
Sam guy 😂
Cringefest
Lmaoo
just so everyone knows this skipped a whole scene that led to the kid asking why he never liked him. it wasn't that abrupt, it had a climax up to that final scene.
ok thank you. I was about to say, this was a dumb transition.
I was just thinking about that. Like how can you be all cheerful and happy with your pops, talking about buying a TV, and then getting all serious asking how come he never liked him the next second? Bipolar I guess?
Yeah, I performed this very scene in my Acting class just last week. The transition was jarring as hell. Missed both the conversation about the Pirates and - more importantly - the conversation about Cory joining the football team. There's a lot of anger that built up between the two during that transition.
Yeah Troy asked him to help with the boards and he just walked away like that, like dafuq boi
that confused the hell outtaa me
Denzel is just sensational. This scene is heartbreaking, somewhat inspiring, rage inducing, and sobering all at the same time. And he creates all of those emotions in you. Just master class.
AKA Fatherhood in a nutshell.
@@Maiwang yes! And he does such a good job encapsulating it perfectly. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Oldschool parents showed there love with the roughness the talk. You won't hear I love you but man did it come with more than what you herd. I know this now .... I do ... I would give anything to hear my father give wisdom like he did.. love those who stood by you who held you up who can stand by you. That's a blessing .... I do it for you (my son)
This is just another example in a long line of examples of why Denzel is one of the greatest actors of our time. In the original Broadway play back in the 80s, James Earl Jones played Denzel's character. You should Google this scene with James Earl Jones doing it. Denzel had to do it on the screen. And I'd say he does a pretty damn good job.
Denzel & Viola Davis were also in the revival of the play back in 2010 or 2011 I believe, & both won Tony's
Glen Hines not one of, the greatest.
I think James was much better than Denzel
That play scene was on FB and led me to watch this.
Glen Hines wow thank you! i didn't know James played the character in the play... just watched it.. amazing... denzel did him justice
Denzel should have three oscar award for only these scene
No. Oscar does not deserve Denzel. Denzel is way higher level. Oscar is just full of politics.
@@romeoalpha6180then explain how he has 2 oscars
@@ChrisThomson-y7l you did not getmy point. I said, denzel is.way better than the oscar criterea.
@@romeoalpha6180 sometimes people say that when describing actors with no oscars. Since Denzel did, I was confused
He loved his son, he just didn't know how to tell him. He showed his love the only way he knew how..
In a terrible way that didn't help at all.
Willie G. That way sucked but ok lol
He turned his son into a job unacceptable
He didn't want to know. His own pain from his sad childhood, was more important than loving his kids.
The only way he wanted how
This scene started out so good. Just a nice interaction between father and son and then it went left. That’s how it is to be in a volatile home. You never know if what you say or do, no matter how small, will blow up. I lived like that, and it’s terrifying. Watching this movie always makes me cry
I feel you man, except I still live in this kind of environment because the law forces me to stay in it until I'm 18
You missed the point.
I lived in a similar home, walking on egg shells all the time around my dad, but I don't feel like this was "blowing up." His son's question hurt him, but he didn't say those things to hurt him back, he did so to teach him a lesson that was painstakingly obvious, so much so that his son couldn't see the tree for the forest. He doesn't like him, he loves him, and love comes in a lot of flavors, up to and including a lot of sacrifices just so someone else can be comfortable and happy. Not to mention that worrying about whether or not someone likes you is going to hold you back a lot in life, anyway. This is actually a lesson I wish I had learned much earlier on. It's a much more mature and realistic way of viewing the world rather than worrying about what's going on inside of your own bubble.
Oh yea this is definitely an accurate comment how things go in such a household at times
I’ve never ever commented on a comment on yt I had to for this how fucking deluded are you
When Denzel told him to straighten up, I instinctively obeyed him. Didn’t even think about it. That’s the power of this guy’s acting. He’s playing a character who’s talking to another character and I took his order as if it were meant for me without hesitation.
lmao you soft
@@tus2521 no u
@@FatPankakes101 I pray that you made up this story for the sake of the comments cuz this might be the gayest shit I've ever read
@@tus2521 cmon man why don’t you return my calls I miss you
@@FatPankakes101 Blair you can't funny ha ha your way out of this one my guy, you need to really sit with what you said
This is a powerful scene, does make me think of the non existent relationship I had with my father.
It teaches you quite a lot about life and the relationship we have with our father.
The bonding in the scene and general chit chat is a fathers way of showing love.
There’s no harm in telling our kids now and again “that we love them” that’s what is lacking in life.
Father lesson, books, mentors, roll models and much more i will never stop learning
Yeah, those talks with dad start to make sense the older you get as a man. At the time you were like WTF but if you take this in, you find your purpose in life pretty quick and don't worry about things like being 'liked' or people being 'nice' to you.
lol, If I ever hear the words from my dad, "I love you". I would literally rob a bank and buy him whatsoever he wanted. He would have thai massages for the rest of his life. 😂
@@charlesmendez4686 lol, I wouldn’t go as far as robbing a bank, but I know what you mean lol
My father has never said he loves me, not once, but he shows it in many ways, pulling me out of debt, building stuff, giving m anything i ever need, he would lay down his his life
Denzel's best. Oscar-worthy performance.
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This one of the best scenes done by Denzel. It is a complicated and emotional scene. It is easy to say that the father was an asshole and blah, blah, blah. And, it is easy to say that the son despised his father because of incidents like this. What this scene shows his how two people speak a different language but want the same thing: love and respect. Having been on both sides of this kind of interaction, I sympathize and empathize w/both characters. The son just wants the occasional hug, "I love you," shoot the shit moment w/o his dad always giving him a lesson in his hardened way. For the son, his love language is words of affirmation and touch.
For the dad, he likes spending time w/his son and that it not involve a want for something, or that his son genuinely want to be around him. His father's love language is acts of service and quality time (ironic in a way).
Yes, the father is ungrateful, unappreciative, hardened, and a downright asshole sometimes. However, I don't think it's fair to assume that people like him cause their children to be sociopaths and whatever. We still choose our own paths and must take responsibility for how we (not a guarantee) want our future life to go.
I like your explanation of this scene involving father and son interaction.
I going to say that if you are a Black person (especially a man) of a certain age, this WAS your father.
This is the most logical comprehensive explanation I've seen out of all the comments on this video.
Everyone going in on the father not realising his hardened way of doing things is simply because that's how he knows how to give and receive love, not that he does not love at all.
This was my relationship with my father to a T - only said he was proud of me twice in my life, but yes he did provide for me, I always say my parents didn't love us but that they were responsible for us, needed heavy therapy but a lot of his lessons still keep me centered in the crazy world we have today, I don't hate him but I understand
I think men like this usually lived hard lives. It can make you very straight to the point and that can be hard for people to handle much less a young man.
I dont think they do it out of intentionally being mean or callous but often see the world as a rough and unforgiving place and that coddling and babying your kids but specifically a young man is not how you build strong and resilient men.
That being said i think theres a balance. Steadiness, sternness, stoicism tempered with compassion.
This scene hurts me to my core every time I see it come across my feed. To me, this is a hard lesson in tough love that his kid wasn't ready for, just because he didn't feel loved. I grew up with a father who was absent because he didn't think I was his. My mothers' first marriage after him resulted in physical abuse to both of us for years. When she finally got away from him and remarried, my then step dad was like this all the time. In 20+ years, he never told me he loved me once, and I hated asking him for help with anything because I felt like a burden and he was quick to say no. When I was in my teenage years my friends would have sleep overs to play new video games or watch movies all night, I'd often miss them because I was too worried to ask. I have a very hard time communicating feelings these days and sometimes I feel like I've absorbed a bit too much of his demeanor. If children are ever in my future, they'll never have to worry about knowing if they're loved and not feeling like a burden.
I'll pray for you 🙂
it takes wisdom and strength to break the family curses and rise above the trauma they imparted. your future children will be blessed with you as a father
Lot of idiots in the comments who missed the point of the movie. Food, clothing and shelter isn't all a father should provide. Here is a great MLK quote on the subject:
"unenforceable obligations are beyond the reach of the laws of society. They concern inner attitudes, genuine person to person relations, and expressions of compassion which law books cannot regulate and jails cannot rectify. Such obligations are met by one’s commitment to an inner law, written on the heart. Man made laws assure justice, but a higher law produces love. No code of conduct ever persuaded a father to love his children or a husband to show affection to his wife. The law court may force him to provide bread for the family, but it cannot make him provide the bread of love. A good father is obedient to the unenforceable."
Troys attitude to parenting didn't make his son stronger or better than he otherwise could have been. It destroyed his family and his relationship with his son. People shouldn't romanticize the "stern father" trope. This movies message is that being stern and withholding love and compassion will tear a family apart and only make children resent their fathers.
tbh id rather struggle with my father together barely have clothes and meals and hear a reassuring he cares for me than an ice cold jackass whos bitter because life fucked him over. this scene honestly can go both ways he doesnt have to like his son but when his son grows up and makes it in life he doesnt have to like him. pretty sure he will regret that on his dying bed.
I love how you assume you understood everything better than everyone. But the story is not yours, the thing is not about assess the parenting and agree or disagree. A movie, a story, is not about what it should be in your eyes.
The father here is a construction of his past and its experience and the reality he lived in. He is a Black man who didnt make fancy studies, missed his opportunity to be a high level athlete and kinda escape from the reality of most of the Black men. He had a family and accept to sit on his dreams, aspirations to make things right and provide for his family. His knowledge and experience of the world is that expression of emotions are not what matters the most but the actions, the body of work. If you want people to be right by you, you should be doing the right thing too whether or not you like it ! The system does not have to like you, the governement doesnt have to either, the police also and even members of your family. I am not saying he is right or not, or even that he delivererd his message the proper way. But in his way he is trying prepare his son for the world he knows and lives in.
The man was simply hurt that is son who is not a kid anymore failed to appreciated his dedication, commitment to his family, it felt like his entire life was questioned or amounted to so little since his son can not even get that his family, his home was all and everything he accomplished his whole life. Every lesson or approach have a counterpart. Most of the time there is not good or perfect fathers just some doing their best.
@@marcolee8481 this scene objectively displays an example of terrible parenting. No room for interpretation. It's a psychology issue - if fathers were like Denzel's character here, most people would end up achieving less, suffering more, and having to deal with traumas and insecurity. As it in fact happened in the movie. Denzel's family and his relationship with them was ruined.
The amount of people who don't understand this scene is scary.
@@runningdecadeix4780 This is your point of view with your standards. You are not describing with your comment what you understood or what transpires in the scene. You are merely judging the way of parenting of the man. We are the results of our experience and our social context for the most part and therefore is shaped our understanding of the world, our values, which tools/mindset we want our children to have and how we want them to be prepared once they are on their own. You are judging his parenting based on your value, your context, your experience, but you dont know better since you dont know how the son turn out later. It might have been shaping moment providing him the mental toughness to go through the hardships Black people seems to be dealing with in the context of the movie. Good parenting is not something universal. And perfect parenting does not exist !
@@marcolee8481 he's judging based on psychology and statistics. This type of parenting is toxic, maybe the reason you're trying so hard to justify it is because you do the same thing. Just keep in mind that your children may not like or love you as time goes on.
Denzel.. The Greatest American Actor - Love From India. Powerful Actor.
A A agreed. Him and another named Joaquin Phoenix.
Nah, there are greater actors
@@stetzify6694 lol, phoenix?
You can see it in his eyes and his voice that it hurt him to know that his son thinks he doesn't like him or love him i love this scene it shows you what a man is suppose to be that a father shows love with action not words and yes he may not be perfect but provide, protect, and guide your son with every cell in your body ❤
Words. The only addition being you guide your children in firmness & love, male or female, not just your sons.
Didn't he knock up his mistress??
In the movie this scene shows that the father does not really love him, but it is more concerned about fulfilling "his duty" than in loving his family. He does not "guide" his son (even if in this scene he is right about buying the tv.) The father becomes overprotective because he is afraid of losing them (thence the name of the movie "Fences".)
In fact, when the man enter in a relationship with another woman besides his wife, he does not see that he is not "fulfilling his duty." There is a very poor love towards his wife and his children.
It is a very good movie, full of symbolism, with great script and actors, worth watching more than once.
This seems like a good way to build resentment and emotional issues like lack of closure for your child. As if the mind and soul isn’t something to help grow as well
"shows love with action not words." from what i see he has lots of words, but he is simply a coward to not tell his son he loves him. it can still be his responsebility to care for him but he can love him at the same time. he could have said what he is trying to accomplish: i dont say the words. i show you with actions. which you should understand." but he tries the hard way, leaving his boy unfulfilled on the way. he should just make clear how he operates to genereate a better understanding for the relationship between them.
Absolutely the best scene in the movie!!
Hands down the best scene in a movie that came out within the entire year!!!
Man, Denzel is easily my favorite actor. I can’t think of a single movie he’s in that was a disappointment. My favorites are man on fire, remember the Titans, training day, American gangster, book of Eli and the list goes on
My favourite actor as well, only Denzel can make a movie about a train interesting 😂😂
Don't forget Glory
Especially book of Eli love how he is just to the point .. if you put that hand on me again you won't get it back then snip hands gone
Man on Fire is one of favorite movies & is probably one of his least talked movies. He was a man without purpose & when that little girl gave him purpose he was willing to die for it
his greatest acting job was in Malcom X
I tell my kids I love them EVERYDAY! My dad never once told me he loved me. But he was a great provider.
My father always taught me this, "Your job pays you not because they need you, it's because you earned it"..
I miss u dad and thank you 👍
Seems like your dad is a loser. A successful person is needed by companies n people. Losers has to earn his keep
Bravo to your dad. Very well said. 👏
On that note, I think one of the things that turns boys into men is hard work.
Denzel Washington And James Earl Jones killed this acting
Lonnie Prude yes and they both deserved those tony awards
Yes indeed
I agree honestly Denzel killed it a little more.
He seriously might be one of the top 3 actors of all time
I think denzel did it better.
@@DanGeezyPresents and he ain’t 2nd or 3rd
When I was a teen, I could picture my dad giving me this talk. In my 40s, I can picture myself giving this talk right back to him.
"Dont you go through life worrying about if someone likes you or not, you best be making sure they're doing right by you"
Thats a quote to live by
Amen to that ...
True but that's his literal father not just a random person
@@greatnessinthemaking7245 our parents honestly owe us nothing after a time in my opinion you can't play victim because your parents did you wrong. God said if our mother and father forshaken me he will take us up ...Growing my mother was hard so l can relate to this character l often thought the same . Then when l became adult understood how life can weigh you down and through the eyes of others some parents just didn't know how to love because their parents never taught love or show them how to love... End the movie was priceless he finally understood why father was the way he was..
Not disregarding how he must of felt but as children we dont see all mother father goes through to provide for us... or even understand until we become parents ourselves
Just quit my second part time job bc of this saying
Those of us that grew up with strong old school fathers like this i swear it's a blessing.
RIP Dad!
3:07 “straight’n up goddammit”
Even I got straight up myself when he hit his chest
Glad to know I wasn't the only one lol
this kid always got a lecture for the smallest thing. all I asked was you interested in a TV?
William Phelps that's black parents for you
William Phelps Any other parent would say "we can't afford it" & leave it at that
The kid is 18, he is about to head out the door, and if the parents want to make sure they'll survive out there, they need to understand what is coming.
William Phelps they cut out some of the dialogue from the play. or the person who uploaded the video cut some parts from the scene.
William Phelps He didn't do his chores.
Men didn't tell their sons they loved them back then THEY SHOWED THEM!!!!
ABOTTSTORMGOD thank you. And thats what he was telling him. Being a father isnt about saying "i like you" giving life and giving the natural necessities is showing actions of LOVE
EXACTLY! Do you know how many people say I love you or I like you everyday and their actions don’t back it up? I rather have someone who never says I love you but their actions say it than someone who says they love me and their action speak no volume. If you’ve found someone who both says and shows they love you - that’s a genuine treasure.
Best comment ever!
FREE WILL DEFENDER 🙏🏾
Did you all even watch the movie? He didn't show he loved his son at all the entire movie. All he showed the entire time was that he was angry at the world for seemingly screwing him at every turn. He was angry at the life that was stolen from him when he got tied down with unexpected children. How those children forced him into a marriage he wasn't ready for.
If at any point during the movie he made even one comment to his son about how he was tough on him because it was best for him and that he would shoulder the resentment to make sure he learned that because he cared about what happened to him... you could maybe make the argument he did it out of love, albeit tough. This was him just being a resentful old man who took out his pain on those who loved him, but that wasn't enough. Proof being in how he also was completely oblivious to how his wife, that he cheated on by the way, also sacrificed her own dreams in order to try and make the family work for his sake because she cared.
I’m so happy my dad wasn’t like this. My dad always hugged me,told me loved me,complimented me and everything. My dad was truly my best pal until the day he died. He taught me how to be kind,how to help people who need it,even if there’s nothing in it for you. His saying was “see a need,fill a need”. He knew that his son needed love and affection to grow into a person who would go on to spread that love with everyone I meet. I love my dad
Different styles of parenting tbh. I feel like authoritative will always win out.
@@smellypatel5272 it's much easier to do right.
You missed the point.
See a need fill a need now that’s beautiful
@@smellypatel5272 authoritative parenting leads to rebellion
Damn, this man's acting will be studied by generations that will come after us. You can't name top 5 actors without putting this man's name there.
my dad told me a while ago..."I don't like you, I love you"
James Tanner your comment made me sad damnitt
Mine told me “I love you but I don’t like you right now. Because I had gotten a D in Geometry
aww damn James. Asking someone if they love you or not is actually a very selfish thing. Kids will say I love you and all, but they don't have the actions to back up their words.
More than my pops
What's wrong with PEOPLE about telling them I LOVE YOU
Doesn't mean much
Anybody can say I LOVE YOU but doesn't MEAN IT
My opinion, the better way is to SHOW IT
What makes this scene so powerful is what you bring to it. As someone who grew up without a father, it's definitely interesting to see different variants on what a "dad" should be. For me, with no expectations, or rather, none because my dad left before I was born, I took this scene to be double-speak. He was clearly trying to teach his son a lesson that in the real world, you should never have an expectation to be "liked"- it sets you up for failure in so many ways. But in his own way, in his own words, he was saying he liked him. The problem with people like Troy is their lives were so hard and so fought for that to them, "liking" IS strictly transactional. And for someone like Troy, he was saying he liked his son. In the movie, there are shades of this fact- hell the scene even starts with him not berating his sons obvious flimsy choices of "roof" or "TV", he was pretty jovial about it. But for someone like, emotion is transactional- he expects something to be given to him because he expects everyone to ask that in return.
Man I just shed so many tears
Denzel is a legend
"Now don't you go through life worrying about whether somebody like you or not..you BEST BE MAKING SURE THEY DOING RIGHT BY YOU"!
I cried.
He didnt do right by him though he was a bad father.
Doing right by him would mean to like/ love him, because with that, comes the other good stuff.
Dan Raiders Warriors Sharks Giants he was a bad father for raising his son and teaching him how to be a man?
He did right by him by taking care of him
@@TenshinhanIsKing You got a low ass bar of what teaching someone to be a man is.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants if you read the book and watched the original play that this movie is based on, you would understand why Denzel’s character is the way he is. It’s sad and tragic at the same time, he was trying to be the best father that he could be, but in many peoples eyes, he was a bad father who cheated on his wife
Just to let you guys know Men never really said things like "love" because it was a sign of weakness
He still had appreciation for his son. You can feel some of his emotions at 4:20 ... Denzel Washington is a amazing actor
Are you a boomer or just guessing?
@@twraoylnledyou8511 Your generation is weak.
My father game me a sense of responsibility growing up. I appreciate that way more than his validation! Stood alone on the top of the mountain ever since because of him...
Thank you papa!
I absolutely agree. It's a tough lesson and doesn't feel good but it's reality. If people took responsibility in life the world would be a much better place. Be a man and be responsible. It's hard but that's life men and women suck it up and go through it every day and when they get that pay check they don't waste it on rubbish.
@@andrewparry1452 perfectly said!
"I'm obligated to you" is such a dad way of showing love. So much of this moment can be broken down
Obligation is not synonymous with love.
@@FlyingSaucerEyez if you focus on the obligation and not him acknowledging his obligation then you got some growing up to do. It's the acknowledging within this statement that makes it special between father and son. I should kno. I'm obligated but not mandated...let that sink in..
Sounds like a comment from someone with daddy issues … and plenty of people have those
The best way to say "I love you" to a son is fucking saying "I love you"
That movie is about he is a dead beat husband and father and that shit is exactly why
Man, what a lot of men would give without knowing for hearing their dad say "I love you" to them
Definitely one of his best scenes with regard to his acting ability. When Denzel does it right 👍 he goes all the way!! Thank you Denzel for entertaining us all these years 💯😘
This 1 of the coolest scenes of all-time. So so many jewels within this 4 minute clip.
That's called tough love that's how my father was and still is till this day
Ricky Garza I can't do know tough love I decline that
Ricky Garza more like ass hole
So chastising a child at every single turn is "tough love"? Cheating on his wife and not even apologizing or regretting it, just throwing it in her face is tough love too?
IMO, Troy was just a bitter douchebag. His position in society was shit, his job was shit, his financial situation was shit, his friends were shit - his life was shit. He wasn't particularly smart, he drank, he was pretty much a failure and a better tomorrow was nowhere in sight. That's why he took out his own insecurities and disappointment on his family.
Precisely. This could be seen as tough love if he ever at any point took the time to express to his son that he was so stern because he cared and didn't want to see him end up like he did. But he doesn't, not once. I don't care how anti-loving/affection you are as a parent if you never hold your kid or have a conversation about how you want the best for them because you care.. then there is no love. This guy was just angry at the world for all the shit he had to take, a lot of it being his own fault for having an unexpected child in the first place. Then following it up with never communicating how he felt with his wife, that he eventually cheated on and ruined his marriage completely, or to his son.
+Carldini Oreste That's because you soft.
If you have a kid its your responsibility to both provide and love them. The first gives them physical safety and security and the second mental and emotional safety
Black men didn't know anything about mental or emotional safety back then. They were trying to make sure their sons could survive in a world that hated them on sight and would just as soon hang them as look at them.
It remind of me of my dad. Showing me how the real world can be. Rest in heaven daddy.
Loved it when he said "ain't got to worry about if somebody you , you got to make sure that they doing right by you ..."
This movie means so much for us that people will only understand it 10 to 20 years from now. Denzel Washington should've won an oscar for this movie.
at 41 years old this scene jus had me emotional like a bitch..like hearing my daddy speak to me,raising me with values,and respect that I didn't understand then.."my duty " words people now a days can't comprehend. thank you sir for the upload
Is it your duty to be a bitch who cries while watching a movie scene?
Jordan Schlansky: It's not a duty... it's preferable...
Being a father is more than a duty. He made his son seem like a chore. Going to work n supporting your family doesn't make one a great parent,sure it counts as, but it's nothing wrong with showing your kids love emotionally each n every day. We aren't gaurenteed tomorrow n Denzel's character was not a good listener,as many fathers. His son was telling him how he felt by asking a question that took courage, all while Denzel mocked. Being hard works to a point.
luis Soto: I can understand that raising one's child is a DUTY... and I'm all for that Hard Love... that Spartan treatment. But when you cut him down, and cut some more... and then blame him for coming up short... that's when I have a problem... This is not love, it's aggression mask as love for selfish reasons... You will never see a MAN beat a dog down for entertainment.... much more his own son.
True that, but listening is what failed densely in this seen. He is so busy talking over his kid and his wife, he fails to hear his son on how his son feels his father thinks of him. No you don't have to be friends with your kids, but you don't need to he their enemy either. Life teachings happen regardless if a parent teaches it or not, life finds a way to teach. It's better to be prepared, as what denzel is doing here. But his some left home early and unhappy because of his father not showing him the kind of love he needed. He gave him direction, but paralyzed any emotional bond a father and son should share. A some shouldn't be afraid of his father, but trust in him. Guys like this usually end up alone, with their kids and wife leaving them because if their inflexibility and stubbornness. Scene it plenty
I can relate to this scene; my daddy was a disciplinarian; a hard man! I can remember growing as a kid; I was so afraid of him it would take me all day long to build up my nerve just to ask him a question; not because I didn't want to know these answer ( which was always no) but not to hear they sound of his voice! My daddy taught thought Love! But then bottom line; it was love!!! and I thank him for that kinda of Love because it was genuine!
To all the hard working father's out there, Thank you for making this world a lil bit better everyday.
One of the greatest acting moments of all time.
Easily one of the best scenes in history!
We gonna ignore that fact that at one point of time T.V. were $200! I'm watching this one some shit I paid $1800 for
Zachary Chestnutt i mean....there are still tv's that cost $200.
Amanuel Taddesse on the real lol.
My smart tv from Wal-Mart was $200
Zachary Chestnutt LMFAAOOOOO😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Is this still the 1950s? No so that's why tv cost more.
That scene broke my heart. All he ever wanted was to be loved by his father. It's hard to love anyone in this world when your own family doesn't teach you how to love first. Even harder to love yourself afterwards.
Lizzie Ann his dad did love him though. He was just harsh about it
Lizzie Ann his dad did love him.
MegaSturrup he was telling his son he loved him without actually saying it
SSJGOKU612 !! People can read minds now
Javontae Eaddy was that sarcasm oh I missed it
Just a kid who wanted to watch tv with his pops smh… what a generational trauma thing 😢 its crazy to see others perspectives and pov’s .. I go thru this , never know how to explain or vent about it.. just see it , feel it , and feel for it .. I love yall man
I can't hold my self from loving this man. What a talent. Best actor of all time
My dad was old school. It took me a while to get passed the fact he was teaching me how to be a man. How to make decisions and stand by them. How to stand on my own 2 feet. We battled when I was younger but in the end I learned he was showing he loved me the best way he knew how. I make sure my son hears it from me now but I get my dad was showing me in his own tough old school way.
“I gave you everything I’ve had to give you, I gave you your LIFE.” And “Don’t you try and go through life worrying about if somebody like you or not. You best be making sure they doing right by you. You understand what I’m saying?” Are such beautiful lines. It kinda shows his true intentions here.
Happy Father's day! One of the truest scenes of what it means to be a father. Explaining to your children the hard facts of life. Don't worry about whether someone likes you; worry about if they are doing right by you! 🎉
I see a lot of people comments saying you can’t care about how the world thinks of you, if you really watch the video the son wasn’t saying why the world doesn’t like me, he was saying why my dad doesn’t like me. And for the parents out there please go hug your child and say that you love him/her, ain’t no harm to say I love you, yes action speak louder than words but like I said what’s the harm. You don’t have to be your child’s best friend but you definitely don’t wanna be his/her worst enemy. So go love you child, spend the day with them or etc
My favorite part is when he said "straightin up God damn it"
Back when men were men they taught and passed on life lessons (Jewels) daily to young men that would help build them and carry them through life! Coddling and hugs and kisses have their places but teaching and raising a man takes a man and this scene was tough but a great example of life lessons and necessary (at times) tough Love! ✊🏾🖤
So life lessons include calling your child out of his name to make a point? Making him feel stupid for doing something that the parent lacks? That part is a no for me but straightening up and not worrying about people not liking you then fine. But we're talking about a family so who needs enemies when your own people don't like you? 🤷
@@jessicagousse85 🤦♂️
@@jessicagousse85 your lookin at it from a mother’s standpoint you gotta understand that fathers aren’t meant to coddle their children especially they’re sons
@@jessicagousse85 “Hard times, create strong men. Strong men, create good times. Good times, create weak men. Weak men, create hard times.“ - A wise man I can’t recall
@@death2beta843 Nobodys talking coddling. Troy was an abusive narcissist. Bro loved hearing himself talk but all he said was bullshit. Fathers like this don’t create real men. They either create abusive ppl who emulate their fathers, or they create broken men with emotional issues because of all that fear from childhood.
I love my son very much and I make sure I tell him that every day. My father was never around and I never want him to feel that.
I tell my kids the same thing my mom always told me. "I will always love you. There may be times I don't like you, but I will always love you."
Couldn't have said it better myself: "Don't go through life worrying if people like you... You best be making sure they're doing right by you."
This seems to have stired a conversation on parenting so I'll give my two sense on this scene. There's no deeper meaning to what Denzel is saying. He isn't telling his son he loves him, isn't trying to teach him a lesson about doing right by people. He's a man who only views taking care of his family as a burden. Something he has to do because that's how things work in his mind. To go deeper Denzel was abused by his father and doesn't want to do the same. He doesn't take care of his kids and family because he loves them he does it because he thinks it proves he's a better person then his father. I've met lots of people who do this irl try to do everything to have the seemingly perfect family not for the sake of their family but for the same of their own ego. It almost always falls apart because people are messy, complex, and flawed. They don't fit into their cookie cutter molds for what a family is supposed to be and because theirs no actual love their, to keep a connection strong as the world bends and shakes around them it all just falls apart.
My favorite part of this is when you said there isn't any deeper meaning and then proceed to describe a deeper meaning 😂
My mother or father never told me they loved me. Your right, without love there is no connection.We all need love and we want to hear it from our parents.
That’s the truest thing I have ever heard, when you grown up in a broken home and forced to grow up early you focus to hard on being the opposite of how you came up you don’t realize your destroying your own family by filling the need to have to do better or prove yourself to go above and beyond till it’s to late then your looking in the mirror at everything you did your best to avoid but only you became try successful is just being there and allowing yourself to show you love them no matter what
I love this scene!
The emotion he conveys in this scene is incredible. At first, he’s trying to instill a sense of responsibility in his son by telling him to honor his commitment to helping him w the fence, while trying to teach him to be intelligent w his life decisions talking about the tv and the roof. When it comes to the “why don’t you like me” ?, you can see two different phases of emotions for the character-at first, he’s angry, not at his son, but at the situation for black people they way it is, fighting just to be treated fairly, he himself not understanding why it takes a literal fight to just be able to sit at the same lunch counter or at the front of a bus (and NO, I AM NOT IN ANY WAY A LIBERAL OR MILLENNIAL, you just can’t deny the reality of the times), and finally his features and tone soften, showing the hurt he has at the realization that his son will have to fight those same issues, pleading w him to not waste time worrying about such trivial things like who likes him, just keep fighting and make sure you don’t get stepped on
Fantastic analysis
THIS!!
You can see he DOES love his son, just not in the way the son is able to receive it.... he's simply showing love the way he knows how ie being physically there, teaching him life skills (cutting the planks, the TV/ roof situation) and providing amenities.
There was absolutely no reason you needed to specify that you're not a liberal but you still care. That's just saying in order to have empathy about these topics you HAVE to be a liberal. You're insinuating that republicans (or whatever party you fall under) don't care about anyone but themselves and certainly don't have any empathy for minority groups past and present. Of course we all knew that already, but now you're just proving the point.
you lost me with having to clarify that you aren't a liberal or a millennial. Like those two groups are cancer on this earth and somehow addressing racism is something only those people can do?
See I think it's more about responsibility and the ideals of being a man, and what you're supposed to do. Taking care of ones family
He chose to have a kid so he bears the burden of responsibility for keeping this kid, alive, fed and has a place to sleep. knowing your and others responsibilities is important for knowing when someone needs to take care of you, or when you need to step up
I don't think I'm this scene or what he's saying race comes into it to much, as the idea of who is responsible for what is a global idea
Most people go through life trying to get people to like them to the point where they completely become insecure. Best example is those who chase likes and followers on social media to feel good about themselves. The point he made here is that one shouldn't care about being like by someone.
Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.
Stop wasting your time trying to get people to like/love you. The major reason for most toxic relationships nowadays.
Mrlostpoet toxic relationship ?? it was very confusing who's friend is your and how long it hold the friendship
Mrlostpoet
"Most"? Speak for yourself. Not everyone is running around nipping at other people's heels hoping they'll pay attention to them. That's an extremely dangerous assumption. Believe it or not, some of us are actually capable of taking care of ourselves
You're absolutely correct
What about those who have struggled to have acceptance because of their social awkwardness? I suppose the same rule applies to them?
Mrlostpoet amen
A dad owes something more to his son than just supporting him. He owes him the most important thing of all. He owes his son LOVE!
Nobody owes anyone anything.
Wrong.....Denzel is right. He needs to fulfill his responsibilities as a father.....his love the son must deserve it and earned it
Wow. It's almost like not everyone knows everything YOU know. That's CRAZY
@@simsonguerrier9656earn love from your parents? That’s awful
@@simsonguerrier9656 Have you watched the movie?
I asked my father that same question. His answer was " I don't like you, I love you".
I was born in the new generation but this is one of the classics that I "love"
This is my father. Its like Im listening to my father.
Angel Jones 😂💯
The thing is, he may not have to like his son, but he SHOULD. You can provide everything for your children, but if you don't give them love and affection and let them know that they're loved then none of that matters.
That's "love" not "like"
I think I've watched this scene over a hundred times... And ever time I 😢. 🙌🏽👏🏽🙌🏽👏🏽
The scariest and incredible thing, is this is my father.. and spent most of my life hating my father till i got old enough to understand my father.. now i cheerish that old man.. sometimes is hard to understand a tough hard nail proud guy, cuz they dont show love like most people, but they do alot.
Agree! Same here!
@Byakuya Ichigo wtf do you know
Muthafuckin facts!
they were actually having a rather good convo until he had to drop the "why don't you like me?" shit
Fabo Andolini exactly
its been edited
True
+Axhiro Madlander it has?
Hammering Hank yeah at around 2:33 its skips the conversation while they cut the wood. i don't know why someone would edit it out, lol its almost as if Denzel's character uploaded this. i think they talk about the sons sports scholarship but his dad basically forbids him out of a stubborn jealousy. he didn't get a sports career because of (mostly) racism when he was young
That’s like my father. This scene really gave me chills and flashbacks. Powerful scene
What a clever way of conveying a message without saying it directly . Denzel 1 of the best actors in history. So much good advice in 4 mins.
"Yeah what?"
"You know I ain't nun but 2 seconds away from you"
LMAO! Best movie scene ever!
One of my all time favorite scenes in cinema!
This is 100% my Father and even that's an understatement....
KindaCoolKaia same
Be thankful for that...
Powerful and epic scene of one of the best actors that ever lived. Dam this man just keeps raising the bar.
" what law is there say i got to like you" it's a good way to think but a bad way to live.
He isn't a perfect man. He is just a man with positives and negatives like everyone else.
@Darby Last time I checked, you are obligated to like your own children. Or do you routinely refuse to show your kids any form of affection like Troy?
Dan: Agreed 😌
In Lucem: Then why did Troy cheat on Rose? 😕
@@ElvenRaptor the point went right over your damn head