Divers React to Emergency Ascent
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2022
- By popular demand we react to Doug Bishop's Emergency Ascent
Doug ran into an emergency situation during a training dive.
There is a ton of footage from this day and Jared and Doug from the AWP team wanted to make sure this footage is used as a learning tool for divers around the world.
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Special shoutout to @JoshCantu for the footage and the great questions!
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I really appreciate you guys going into depth on this video. I myself have the role of videographer on the team but with a background in lifeguarding i am naturally concerned about the safety of those in the water- before this video i have already been researching more information on dive technicals and safety and want to be able to react topside to the best of my ability. I was pleasantly surprised to see doug come in the screen at the end and am glad you guys were able to connect face to face. Although our team gets results we do not pretend to be experts in diving and are all eager to learn and perfect our skills. I am working on a “Dougs Redemption Dive” Bts from that 100 ft boat recovery with the DB. Hope you see improvements in Doug. He is fearless and although inspiring is nerve wrecking when i’m topside filming. -Josh p.s. your video shoutouts to me where hilarious. Glad i could ask the right questions.
Just try to keep your team safe man. This kind of stuff shouldn't happen in these uncontrollable environments. Practice makes perfect, practice in a lake at 100ft isn't practice at all. It's an accident or death waiting to happen. I appreciate you asking the right questions. I love you guys, and want to see you around more often for years to come. I don't want to see a video of a recovery of one of your team over lack of training. 👊
I was impressed with the questions you asked Jared and Doug prior to their dive. You are so much more than AWP's videographer!
You asked good questions
Do you think, like I do, that Doug was joking around when he was talking to Jared at the start about whether Jared could handle the depth?
All the agencies offer both a CPR and a Emergency Oxygen provider course. You don't have to dive for those classes.
Being topside and ready to respond is a great thing.
I worked with a dive master who would stay topside and had a stopwatch for each diver/buddy team. So he could monitor on the serface an estimate of the dive plan.
“A lot of people have died to know and teach the things we know about diving and if you don’t want to learn from others death maybe someone will learn from yours”
Profound, logical, can’t argue with that.
🎯🎯🎯
Damn.
That's something.
yours."*
diving, and* deaths, maybe*
Woody, don't apologize, you are direct but never rude. Some people confuse critique for criticism. This channel always has constructive commentary. Its what we watch for.
Even if there is some criticism, it's constructive criticism. They're not insulting them. They just want them to be safe.
Seems like AWP has had a whole lot of dangerous situations that luckily didn’t end with anyone hurt or dying, and that’s created a HUGE confirmation bias that the way they’re doing it is either the right way or good enough. The problem with confirmation bias in this situation is that when it’s disproven the results are almost always catastrophic. I really hope they can gain a bit of humility (and respect for their audience) and send their team through the proper certification classes. *More knowledge* when it comes to diving is never a bad thing.
100% agreed
@@georgia2321 well said
I think Woody's being a little unfair. As long as Ebay sellers include manuals, new divers will be fine. It's why the expression 'sink or swim' entered common usage.
Ok, so I was cringing during the briefing. Waaay too many 'firsts' for a relatively novice diver. When I got my full-face mask, I read bunch of reviews first, talked to other divers, bought the mask, read the manual, and then did the certification. I'm still alive. I became confident with my new toy, my buddies know I'm less likely to become an emergency situation for them to deal with.
(Oh, and recommendation for some dubious diving.. Discovery's 'Blind Frog Ranch' show. It's an alternate-reality TV series that includes some cave diving.)
The problem is that, the guy saying he doesn’t want to deal with arrogant instructors IS THE ARROGANT ONE. Thank you guys for being real and letting him know he almost killed that guy ❤
Yeah, came across as a proper arrogant prick for sure
What I read from that was that most dive schools are built around one "egotistical dive instructor". I don't agree with the egotistical part but I definitely saw dive schools that were built around a single instructor. Where one senior dude basically runs it as his business and the rest are training under him.
Absolutely. His whole posture screams pride. He reminds me so much of my dad (who couldnt handle anyone disagreeing with him. Back would go rigid and he'd just not talk to you again. You can't reach these people)
Like diving with a tank full of bad air, behold, the narcissist in full splendor... yep, life as a mini god ain't all its cracked up to be.
I am an scuba instructor and I totally agree with woody and Gus this had me so annoyed with such bad practice and a casual approach with complete new equipment to him, he is very lucky man.
This is typical Jared, DIVERT when he knows he is wrong. Let's remember Jared has only been diving for 3yrs at this point. On short, not so deep diving, with the odd deep dive here and there. Not enough experience at all to be teaching. This is why friends don't teach friends how to dive. The fact that he doesn't even understand how not to silt up the area is telling.
Let me make it clear: Doug is mistaken or maybe confused about wither they had oxygen there. They may have it now, however they didn't have oxygen on that day - why I know this, I made a comment on that video regarding the fact that Doug should have been put on oxygen when he surfaced and why, and Jared had it deleted. Josh Cantu thanked me for the info, & confirmed that there was no oxygen, he said he would look into making sure that it was available for any deep dives thereafter. I even advised that they needed to be certified in administering oxygen to carry it.
No person in their right mind takes a new diver who already isn't Overly familiar with the gear, suddenly surprise him with a new set up on such a deep dive - it's ludicrous. Doug hasn't even been shown how to use the shearwater & AI.
No your gauge doesn't have to dangle and drag. I still dive with my shearwater & my console, with a dive gauge and secondary computer with compass. Not once have I ever done a dive where I am relying only on a computer telling me you need to do a safety stop. I already have my safety stops planned. Jared hasn't even explained to Doug how unbalanced that tank set up is going to be or how to use weights to counteract that unevenness when he is at Trim. This is also the reason why I'm not a fan of combined regulator and BCD inflator attachments. Jared should have done all the training and gear orientation in confined or shallower water, not at 100ft.
The camera didn't stop recording Jared had it cut and edited out.
JOSH ISN'T EVEN A DIVER & knows this isn't right. I also have a major issue with the fact that Jared had any comments from more experienced divers giving advise on what happened & what they should've done deleted and blocked those commenters - jared can't take critiques, criticisms, or redirection to better training resources.
I also call BS on 144 as jared doesn't know how to dive Nitrox or mixed gasses, he only dives air !!!!!
Jared had no business taking a newly certified diver to such depth. Doug is lucky to be alive.
I’m blown away by so many of these comments.. I wonder if Doug knows just how dangerous this was and how wreckless jared was doing this. Your absolute right… they deleted that footage… Jared has edited his life apparently the whole time and everything is finally falling apart for him… these changes against him now are just the beginning I’m afraid of all his nefarious actions.
I don't think Doug was totally straight about how much he didn't know either. He was hazy about his remaining air from the first time it was questioned. He also couldn't describe the rule of thirds or his relative air consumption at depth. I think he knows even less than he suggests which is a bit scary.
Hahaha, Jared was offended by real divers. His response to your advice proves he knows that you guys are right.
Where did Jared respond to this? I'd love to read it, thank you.
@@rebeccafantstegall1899 I believe that what hotmoon was referring to was the letter that Jared wrote in the video. Dive Talk invited Jared to come on to the show and discuss why it is important to have certifications and standards for teaching. Jared wrote a note back saying that he didn't really care that there were certifications he wasn't planning on getting them. In my honest opinion, Jared's letter contained the same tone that he condemned himself. He states that companies he has worked for contain a very ego-centric individual, yet in the same letter he brazenly states that he is going to do things his on way because "there are no dive police that are going to put us in scuba jail." I take that as he is openly flaunting that he will not follow any standards that have been set by the dive community because there is no one that can force him to do so. Basically he is saying that he is going to do whatever he wants simply because he can. While that is all good and well if you are only going to do things yourself, he is teaching and imparting his knowledge (which appears to be very flawed in numerous ways) to someone else who trusts him, or worse, is employed by him and may not have the authority to tell him no. I apologize for the long reply as I am not the original poster you asked the question of. I hope my answer helped.
Jared puts people and himself in unnecessary danger and tbh its unforgivable. Safety should never be taken lightly. Especially other people you're in control of. I stopped watching his channel a long time ago because I just can't. The carelessness is unwavering.
You guys reacted fine. You're being honest and just trying to help people be safe. People who get upset about safety don't belong in the industry anyway. Stupid hurts.
Keep up the good work Woody and Gus.
I’m not a diver. I have recently become interested in diving videos, esp. cave diving. I seriously doubt I will ever become diver. However, I have learned enough from this channel and others to basically confirm for myself not to become a diver. I also appreciate Woodys comments, which give me more knowledge of the TRUE DANGER of this sport & enough to realize WHY stunts like the ones in this video costs lives…both of the divers and dive rescuers (how many rescue divers have died in the process). Not only the cost of human lives but additional costs too such as those incurred via the TVA, etc). Why people criticize Woodys comments are beyond my understanding. He’s trying to educate ppl and warn them against taking these risks. Woody, keep doing what you do. Ignore the naysayers. I got one have learned from. You and I’ll never be put in these situations by someone simply asking “can you handle it”?
@@OniRubberNinja sorry it took so long to reply, just forgot all about it. Yes, it was very helpful! Thank you!! I guess I missed it from the video😬 I rarely just sit & watch, usually I'm doing 5 other things lol thanks again 💜
I'm not a diver, but when he said "a whole new setup" when its his first time deep water diving is insane.
My eyebrows went up faster than Doug did in the water
This video is the reason I love Woody.
Smart, caring, and just wants to make sure people are safe.
10/10 teacher
10/10 human.
#teamwoody
Why the hell did he say Doug did an amazing job then?? Why didn’t he tell him this was straight up dangerous and that Jared is going to kill him if he doesn’t get some proper training??
@@wordsleuth992 did you watch the same video?
@@wordsleuth992 He was pointing out that based on the situation he was in, he handled it amazing. And I completely agree. It was accepted and agreed upon that Doug is a rookie and wiling to take advice.
first time Woody kinda pisses me off the way he just talks is irritating BUT i do get what he is trying to say .-.
@@turtlefarm8742what part of the way he talks annoys you? I genuinely want to know
The statement "if we don't have this proper training, we are going to be a regulated industry by the government" was worth watching the video. Subscribed
Jared's demeanor makes me feel like he's the kind of guy, who if you asked him, would be the expert in everything.
Yeah, he absolutely comes across like that. I was really put off by their interviews about finding poor Kiely. They aren't bad guys, just into big noting themselves. What they do is really helpful and I genuinely appreciate their work. I am just not big fans of some aspects of their videos.
It would explain why he lumps all instructors together as "egocentric" because god forbid his imaginary expertise in everything is ever questioned or challenged, and it's pretty ironic that him being the definition of egocentric is what's causing him to think those with actual expertise are ones being egocentric.
It just goes to show that no matter how much training is made available or how important it actually is, there will always be idiots like this who think they don't need it until they end up killing themselves or somebody else because of it.
They're both extremely lucky that Doug survived through this and it's just sad (and scary) that neither one of them have the slightest clue why.
@@jessicathomas73 me too, this vid confirms why i dont watch them so much.
@@mahrenballs I know, I felt quite sorry for Doug to be honest. Jared was leading him right down a dangerous path and all because he isn't a trained instructor.
Well he is an expert at driving the RV and trailer into difficult off road situations. Doh! 🤷♀️🤣 🙃
The absolute irony of saying “I’m against ego” while simultaneously saying he won’t get certified and wants to do things his own way.
@Jason Context is everything. You leave some of it out.
@@guyfanno1 Doug states he’s the best in the world!!! Then gets caught in the rigging loses his fin and has no backup equipment!! He needs to learn more I believe he’s been diving one year total which includes his training time
@Jason Yep, he says to the cops he's the best in the world on at least two videos.
@@CoraJean19 He tells the cop that he is the best at underwater recovery of cars in the world in the third episode of James Amabile at about the six minute mark. That's the only statement like that Im aware of .
@@anyaz3332 so if I eat a bag of m&ms while diving and no one else ever ate them, I can claim to be the best in the world at it?
This is insane.
"I'm not certified"
"We're using new equipment that I've never worked with before"
"We're going to go to a depth that I've never experienced before"
And when something does happen, suddenly all of those details get left out and it’s made out the dead body at the bottom of the river was some sort of diving expert and this could have happened to anyone
Like those ‘experienced hunters’ who vanish into woods they’ve never hunted in before, with a serious heart condition in bad weather and uncomfortable new boots.
‘How could this have happened?’
Mate, how could it have NOT happened?
I’ve watched this video several times since it was first posted. And yet every single time he starts talking about all the new things he’s doing my eyebrows hit the roof
@@nataliesiddle8507As a hunter i can tell you, bad weather is part of the deal when you are hunting, unfamiliar terrain, is just full of promises, you do have to make sure you can navigate and let people know where you are and when you are back, bad heart ? Better to die doing what you love than liveing in fear. Bad boots ? Now that is just stupid, but it happens. Just my 2 cents.
I'm surprised the guy filming doesn't say they're taking too many stupid risks and he doesn't want to be a part of it.
I can't imagine filming this and something going wrong related to one of the risks mentioned. I just can't imagine how that would feel.
@@MultiZoobie I think it’s similar to the whole “you don’t know what you don’t know”. From my understanding the camera guy isn’t a diver, he’s just around a lot of divers. Jared doesn’t know what he doesn’t know, whereas the cameraman knows that he himself doesn’t know. So he would defer to Jared purely because Jared knows more.
He asked great questions, but I think they were genuinely questions not hints at “I don’t think this is safe”. He asked if it was safe, and Jared said that it was, and the cameraman trusted him because he’s the authority figure and he spoke (incorrectly) but with confidence.
It’s not fair to put this on the camera man, the fact that he even noticed it was dangerous was fantastic and Jared was the one who the responsibility and accountability should fall on. Let’s not split blame to someone who isn’t even a diver in the first place.
Doug, you didn't learn something. You survived something. There is a mighty difference.
And when these people die the parents think they were just unlucky. The paper and police will say accidental drowning as they always do. Never truly knowing how ignorant their kid actually was. No one else to blame
Perfect example of " a little bit of knowledge is dangerous ".
Now I know why a city may be hesitant to work with these guys. Talk about liability.
Woody: How many times do you want me to pause the video?
Gus: Yes.
Just letting y’all know this is one of my favorite shows now. I got open water certified two weeks ago and I love it. My wife asked me why I’m watching stuff to freak me out about diving since I’m so new. I’m trying to learn from y’all whatever I can. My thought process is if anything ever happens I hope and pray I will be able to draw something out of this show to help me or my dive buddy. Y’all keep it up fellas. All the ego maniac folks can get bent haha. That’s obviously a joke. Stay safe
CONGRATS!!🎉 Never stop learning, stay safe & always have fun!
The more things you learn to freak out about, the more you learn how important all those details are and it helps seeing these problems play out on video. You'll definitely be a safer diver after watching all these incidents. Sometimes it feels like all the warnings don't really matter, but seeing the fear & panic of these divers reveals the reality of emergencies.
Damn. She's oblivious to learning not how to do something dangerous, and what to do in certain situations. The American military instructs you to practice getting into bad situations in order to not be baffled when one does come.
Knowing what could go wrong is not to be taken lightly, but, anticipating that something you never heard of could happen is priceless.
Woody's visible discomfort watching people do things they aren't trained for (and Gus laughing at the insanity of it) is the only thing you need to explain Dive Talk's success. You're doing a service to divers and non-divers alike promoting the science and safety of diving, so never stop pausing the videos :) Every video I see comments from non-divers amazed at the content, and divers inspired to further their training. Heck, you guys got me to enroll in cave... be cool to bump into you next time you're at Ed's!
Way to get after it Zack!
Woody is such a cutie, like a hip grandpa or uncle that you never had. I was in Florida the last two weeks back home, if I ever move back diving will be the first thing I learn. And then surfing. Due to these guys.
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Hey Zack I could not agree more with your comment. Nailed it dude. I have a AOW cert so thats what I do. After all the years of diving it's still as badass as it was on the 1st one. Now I find myself being more focused and excited about being a better prepared and safer diver. We all have the buoyancy and other basics down where it's just second nature that when we hit the water it just kicks in. We know to stay calm and work it out if something goes wrong and on top of that with every dive we are learning how to help a fellow diver if the need arises. It's the best addiction ever! Hey congrats doing the cave cert. Rock on brother.
Couldn't be more accurate.
The fact that people say you two, Woody and Gus, are arrogant is troubling. I can't believe people want to ignore credentials and great teaching skills.
All I can hear right now is Jared telling the police one time that Doug was the most experienced rescue diver in the country. Hmm…this is very interesting. The letter sounds very passive aggressive.
Anyway…love Dive Talk and I hate going underwater but I will with you to!
It was clearly passive aggressive. 🤦♀️
Well he would be one of the most experienced rescue divers when it comes to real experiences. There are state rescue divers that go years without having a real rescue dive.
@@Kirinketsu_in that case i as a food delivery driver, i would be the most experienced driver compared to a nascar driver as they only race a few times a week max.
The problem with the I learn from experience approach is you don’t know what you don’t know. Training classes tune you into problems before they happen not after. Thanks for all the discussion, critique of failures is important as a learning resource.
Especially because “I learn from experience” relies on you surviving to learn from it.
One bad dive and a very bad bend and you won’t be healthy enough to dive again, and all you’ll have learnt is that you should have listened to the people who knew better.
A lot of people just wanna pass you, to pass you, to boost success and sales. It shouldn't be easy. It should be extremely hard.
This isn't like a driver's tests. If shit goes wrong, if you don't know your stuff, if you make mistakes, it's a bad death.
Too many trainers are able to pass out certificates, and it's bs....
As a trained and certified underwater pumpkin carver, this stuff is no joke. Seriously guys, get your certifications. You don't wanna be blindsided when you're at 24 meters and you lose your Aqualung carving knife. The class I took taught me a very valuable lesson: never underwater pumpkin carve without a backup carving knife. Preferably from Aqualung. Specifically a titanium one. Also, you can go ahead and try to carve pumpkins at depth without training, but your pumpkin is gonna look bad. In my class, I was taught many cool and interesting designs. Dive smart, not stubborn.
All talking about the knife, but I prefer additionally a spoon. Way more easy to bring the inside out. Another challenge are the fishes. What are you going to do when they swarming you as all the pumpkin is around you? You get eaten alive (very small pieces)
Actually I would love to have a world championship in underwater pumpkin carving. It would arise the awareness about this complex sport.
I have a monopolized-weaponized licenze in Architectural Underwarter basket weaving 101. I got it when I took Ag Class In High Schhol In 1995. I first became interested when I was In a cave -Lewis and Clark Caverns in Montanna to be exact. When I saw how those people lived off the land and appreciated Grizzly Bears and Moose and elk I was motivated to honor my country and get my cetification. It was an uphill struggle from that day forward but I was determined to shine. I knew in the face of adversary I was the one who could do it. I didnt Need an Instructor to teach me how to get training on dry suit squeeze or superstar Filming. I for my brand new setup. I asked questions everyone was asking. How do you release the squeeze off your drysuit. I already mastered rhe 10 mandatory skills before I even thought about it. Img Im done.. Im a good bs er
@@SheiloSheylehouse2689 i couldn't agree more. The spoon is an under rated tool. And not one should have to face being eaten alive my fish without proper training.
Wait I was going to get certified in underwater basket weaving. This is a thing?
I read this before I got to this point in the video and I was SO confused. Now I’m coughing laughing 😂
Super late to watching this video, but I had no idea about all the problems with AWP until after watching this. I had no clue they weren’t certified divers, that Jared was charged with child abuse, the reports of him being rude to the families or crew.
Hearing the volunteers who left AWP speak out is what really showed how genuinely committed they are and I hope they continue their work elsewhere.
This was one if the best episodes of Dive Talk so far. It was probably hard to tell it like it is but it was important
jared blamed everything on doug and took no responsibilty for his lack of knowledge. thier vid was just just horrifying, glad you guys commented and gave advice. this dive was plane scary. doug is so chill and humble tho, i love it.
Jared’s arrogance will be the downfall of awp
@@opalmarie8466 is it just me or does that guy have killer eyes
I love what they do. But Jared seems like that type. 😂😂😂.
@@opalmarie8466 he is pretty high of himself
@@zoober8158 it’s not just you. While he’s begging for donations he’s making tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars per month. PER MONTH! All while making it look like they’re a non profit. He’s a textbook narcissist
Safety rules are written in blood.
I love AWP and the work that they do is beyond reproach. The comfort and closure that they bring victims’ families is unparalleled. I can also understand that hands on experience is often more valuable than a certification - I deal with this on a daily basis at my own job. BUT trying to teach a diver several new skills at once without going into the reasoning and function of how and why they’re performed a certain way is a disaster waiting to happen. Doug is a competent diver and no doubt Jared cares about his safety and trusts Doug’s judgement, but clearly this went badly. Clearly both men bit off more than they could chew. Super grateful for both men and their families that this was just a mildly embarrassing incident rather than a tragedy.
Confidence can kill.
Hopefully they *really* learned from this.
They have safety emergency air in the trailer
The only sign of competence in this dive came from the ome guy who was not divimg.
@@billjordan8779 💯
No blood, ergo no new rules.
Btw, good training is about “hands on experience”
Woody, who ever is calling you “egocentric” is an idiot. Your amazing, and keeping people who dive safe!
You're
It's(somewhat indirectly) in the email from Jared.
whoever* You're*
@@michaelvoorhees5978 Also, whoever, not "who ever". Hehe.
Woody's point on why certification matters was so on point. YOU CANNOT train emergency situation response trough lived experience. Hazardous events happens rarely and have dire consequences.
Watching this again, I'm realising how good woody is at pre-empting what students might struggle with or not understand. Woody is very passionate about teaching and teaching well, and it shows!
I nearly drowned on my very last open water certification dive. Only reason I did not panic was because of my instructor's exceptionally good training. We were doing our final test at passing over our regulators for buddy breathing. We were also doing it with no masks. The idea being you'd been hit in the face and lost your mask and reg. So I was blind and my instructor gave me the signal to spit out my reg by tapping me on the shoulder. My buddy then grabbed my held out his reg. We done the pass off a thousand times. So I reached out, grabbed it and put it in my mouth. The problem? My buddy had given it to me upside down. Most of my first breath was water.
Only reason I didn't panic was because my instructor had told us that was a possible problem we could have. So I stayed calm used what air I had sucked in to cough, and flipped the reg over. Took me a minute to get all the water out of my lungs, but I did it. My instructor told me later he was two seconds from pulling my weights and sending us up. We were about thirty to forty feet down at the time.
Either way, TRAINING. IS. EVERYTHING! And an instructor with a thousand or several thousands of dives under his belt helps too. His name is Greg Haywood and is a PADI certified instructor. Potential for the Dive Talks crew to know of him.
In my second OWD dive, I took my buddy's regulator upside down, 3 times in a row, on my own, breathing some air, drinking some salt water :). I didn't really panic but after 3 tries I felt I just had to bolt to the surface. We were only about 15 feet deep. Then I took the regulator on the surface, looked at it, learned which way is the correct way, and did it right on my fourth try. I don't think I will ever forget that lesson :).
If your instructor told you that was a potential problem they probably had him give it to you upside down on purpose.
In any case if you inhale a bunch of water doesn't your body start violently coughing ? Like when you take a drink and some goes down your air pipe accidentally ? Seems like water down the wrong pipe would be an instant death sentence underwater because you'd cough and more water would come in , causing more coughing . You'd die really quick. No?
@chetwalther-ep9zb I got like half a breath of water. I knew what had happened pretty much instantly. So yeah, I was trying to cough. Think of it like holding in a very irritating sneeze. I just had to have enough awareness to flip my reg, hold it in my mouth, then cough, so I inhaled air instead of more water. It wasn't fun. My instructor did everything exactly as he said he would to everyone else. He wasn't the type to surprise people. Plus we were 30 feet under. An accident there would have been serious.
Woody!! I love your directness. “What do you want me to say?” Watching these guys left you, a professional, speechless. It’s like you couldn’t believe your eyes lol. You don’t need to say anything, that says enough!!
Dude Woody had me absolutely dead and buried in this vid with his “bro…what” energy lololol “if you are going to do this…(exasperated pause)…AND YOU SHOULD NOT….”
😂😂 hes stressed like me 😩
I used to really love AWP, but Jared talking about OTHER PEOPLE being ego maniacs? The irony isn't lost on me. Good vid guys!
During a live video last summer, they announced the locations of a month long tour. Two of cases were on the Arkansas River. I said in the Live Chat they needed to be in a real boat and not the inflatables when on the Arkansas River because the current/undertow is strong and wind blows hard across the water. Jared replied something like "that's not true"...last video released was from Little Rock where the wind caused 2 ft waves, got water in the inflatable boat and Jared had to get off the water. 🤷♀️
@@katpillar4131 yeah, right on.
Jared’s own statements about training are the epitome of ego.
@@katpillar4131 because he is an absolute idiot who thinks he is always the smartest person in the room
By the end of the dive when the cameraman is asking what he learned, you can tell he's still in shock and isn't all there. He's super lucky he didn't get injured
Narcosis definitely happened.
@@benjaminhawkins1129 Narcosis accentuated by panic.
He ran out of gas because he sucked the bottom out of the tank. His breathing sounded like someone who was panicked.
I had watched AWP, primarily before Sam left, so I'd not seen this video. Knowing what we know now about him, I guess I shouldn't be surprised and I'd always gotten the vibe from him that his motivation was money and his compassion poorly faked, but I was just really struck by his reaction, or lack of reaction to Doug describing his ordeal...no emotional reaction when your friend and the person you are mentoring/training says he wondered if this was how he was going to go, when he described taking a breathe that was just water, and when he says any deeper and you'd be down there looking for me right now. I felt for Doug sitting in my family room and Jared showed no concern, empathy, compassion...fear...just nothing.
That just says everything you need to know about Jared in his reaction to Doug saying these things. Dead eyes.
I've always said Jared was a narcissistic jerk. I guarantee more victims will come forward.
fun fact: he was charged with child SA earlier this year and is awaiting trial.
@@jilliansmaniotto2326 ruclips.net/video/jggMF0oIu2c/видео.html I thought you were blowing heat, but its true
@@jilliansmaniotto2326pretty sure that is what OP is referring to.
I'm sure some people can grow, change, and learn to do better, especially since he was a kid at the time of the SA himself and also a victim of CSA and incest. But this guy seems to be so resistant to any criticism that I doubt he has done significant work to better himself in that regard.
I agree but from your description I thought he was younger at the time not 16-17 and she was 9-10. Ew
There's something really strange about him. I always thought he seemed a bit too excited to go diving for dead bodies.
Camera man is actually fantastic, his comments are smarta** (and I actually enjoy it) but are legit and very the correct questions to be asking and it’s honestly scary that he isn’t getting the correct answers back and I feel like he knows this
Yeah the camera guy really seemed like he knew this was not a good idea. I’m glad he didn’t end up filming a death that day. Doug looked absolutely horrible when he came up.
And now he works for Gus & Woody on their cinematic videos.
You are not arrogant you're a caring loving human being who wants people to enjoy a sport and be able to continue enjoying it for many years. Don't ever stop teaching your students need you.
Woody, please stop apologizing for stopping and providing your critique! That's why we watch your videos! You and Gus are super entertaining, but primarily we come here for the excellent education.Thx for your dedication to safe diving!
I'm an Padi AI starting my instructor course and I have to say, you have to keep on doing what you do, you aren't egotistical Divers you are giving such brilliant advice, keep it up
In the end, the one dive class he took saved his life. Great ad for dive classes. Also, Woody’s passion regarding not having this sport regulated by the government was spot on!!
You want more things regulated by the government? 😂😂😂
@@morganjohnson4332 pretty sure the original commenter was agreeing with Woody and Woody said he didn't want it more regulated. He said the original cave divers (PADI) should be the ones who teach the classes because the state wouldn't even have half the knowledge they do.
@@morganjohnson4332 lean to read 🤡
@@amber13000 because PADI does such a good job at quality control 😒😒
If anyone thinks Woody is arrogant or full of himself, no. Definitely not. He's careful and calculated. He's not here to tell you "you're doing it wrong" to hold it over your head and act elitist. It's to correct bad technique (or straight up no technique) to keep YOU safe.
The people that thinks Woody is being arrogant are the ones that go into a cave dive with a single tank of air and no experience.
I’m glad you guys did this video! Myself being a dive master and having deep,stress and rescue, I cringed just listening to the “dive briefing” and as woody stated the lack of training with things he never used in a pool before is spot on and they need to hear y’all on this. Knowledge is power. I would love to come down and train some with you guys.
Doug has such faith in Jared. Poor thing. I wonder if he is looking at this video now and how he is feeling.
Josh Cantu asks correct diving questions of Jared and Doug because he has taken diving classes. He was concerned for Doug.
@@theRealSara No formal training, as per what Doug said.
I have followed AWP for a long time, I live in Oregon. His ego has definitely grown since his channel blew up. I hope he’s not offended by the evaluation you two gave and takes the opportunity to dive with you.I definitely feel you two are all about safety and responsibility and not ego. You kept it real as usual.
I am thankful for what they do. Having a friend that’s been missing for nearly 32 years (Kacey Ann Perry) what they do holds a special place for me, even if they profit from it, hopefully that ego doesn’t bite them. With that AWP should definitely team up with you both and train more. All searches and rescue groups train regularly by instructors, otherwise complacency issues and lack of instruction can arise from “buddy” training.
@Francis Lynch completely agree
I agree that's why I don't watch it anymore. Along with jarred begging for money every day I can't stand his demeaner. Like it could have been nothing but one video he found someone in a car got the car out he put covers over the windows and even after he already saw inside the car jarred opened the cover and was just starring at the fucking body. Like it was fucking weird how he was doing it he knew what was in there he saw it before but wanted to see it again. Along with how he says they never ask for rewards, and they rely on donations but yet he was bringing people to court over a reward he wanted. I like Doug but jarred is weird as fuck.
Yeah the ego bothers me more than anything besides the lack of training, but also that goes hand in hand. That whole email felt incredibly patronizing, frankly.
Agreed. I started following AWP since the beginning and have seen achange in Jared too. I do see his ego. Most videos now if you notice tend to be more about him. I understand he is the main person but be humble and always remember where you came from.
@Francis Lynch absolutely agree and would love to see a corroboration between AWP and Dive Talk for further instruction. All egos aside, it can only help.
Watching this now, there’s just a whole other level of narcissism I can finally see in Jared… I’m disgusted I didn’t see it sooner… 😡
Yeah, the child rape isn’t too great a look for him either
Same while listening to his letter in the beginning I was like I m now seeing what my husband said about him so many times…I suppose it was my emotionals in the way
Making mistakes doesn’t make you narcissist
@@ikecostner1 Sure, but acting like you don't make mistakes is narcissistic. He can write that he is open to feedback, doesn't have an ego, etc. all he wants, but that doesn't make it true.
He deflected and blamed Doug for "not watching his gauges closely enough" and then rewrote history by spinning a different narrative about what happened.
I would steer very clear of anyone like this, especially someone I need to depend on in a potentially dangerous setting.
I'm a NAUI Master/Rescue diver who just completed my SDI Self Reliant diver this weekend, and this hurt me to watch. I really love their channel and respect what they do, and I've emailed them before offering to dive with them. I'm also a Midwestern Great Lakes wreck diver. A dive to 100-110ft in cold water is extremely routine here, and if you do the proper training (For NAUI it'd be AOW that gets you certified to 130ft, though you don't actually go deeper than 100 until Master Diver).
There's so many things wrong here. They had NO dive plan, no gas planning, probably have no clue what their SAC or RMV is to even begin gas planning. No buoyancy control, I mean this honestly when I ask if the newer diver has ever had explained to them how gas burns much much faster at depth. He panicked and obviously didn't purge that reg (or didn't do it properly) and he could have very easily died there. A LOT of people when they get that first breath of water from not purging the reg they instantly spit it out and gasp water and its all over from there. I was part of a search at a local quarry and because the person was found with no air and no reg in their mouth, we're pretty sure that's exactly what happened.
He also should have accepted those gloves since he compounded the factors for deco sickness of A: a deep dive HUFFING air, B: an emergency swimming ascent, C: Being cold, D: altitude.
Well Jared has little care for what’s right.. especially obvious with the child molestation charges on him. He’s too arrogant to realize he’s out of his depth.
I don’t know how anyone can think woody is arrogant. Doesn’t he have a crazy amount of dives, countless certs and decades of experience? But he never gloats about any of it and never comes from a place of “I’m a master diver, so I know better”. He is very humble imo
One of the MANY reasons we love him! 👽🐙
Plus the way after he asked a question he explained the answer in case Doug wasn't fully clear about the answer. That's something I want to take into my own teaching with both diving and chemistry. Normally I ask if someone knows something if they just say yes with no elaboration I follow up and ask them to explain it to me or show it to me, which I realize can come off as mean/blunt but I am trying to figure out what parts they already know and what they need clarification on.
Woody has learned so much, that he's well aware of what he doesn't know. That gives you a great respect for the dangers.
Just an awesome channel
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As I sat listening and reading Jared’s letter, I am reminded of the video with Edd, explaining how he retrieved those two divers from the DR. I remember Edd saying the one guy was encouraged to get certified and he said, basically, “you can’t teach me anything I don’t already know”…….and he’s dead. Kind of like the guy who just before he dies, stands up and says, “here, hold my beer”.
Thanks for the good sense video!
I would be interested in your view of AWP now. Current events may provide some context for risks. I would be curious if other accidents have happened. These guys dive too often to not be taking the time to do it safely and know what the heck they are doing. People without certifications do not understand the consequences of the risky decisions that put their lives in danger! Unbelievably terrifying!
My blood pressure is get high watching this... Jared has the personal of a con artist. He pretend to be an expert of things he doesnt even know. What he is doing is so dangerous because you could lose your life instead of money if you believed him. Yes, you can learn a lot from a really life emergency, IF YOU SURVIVE! Otherwise you will just become people’s training material. Yes, you have the right to risk your own life, but with only ‘open water’ certification, he doesn't even know what he doesn't know, yet acting like an instructor. He is murdering Doug. Doug, Please STAY AWAY from Jared! he is not a friend, he is risking your life. PLEASE get some proper training, then you will know how ridiculous he is.
In the police/first responder field this is known as "Tombstone Confidence." I absolutely love and respect what AWP does, but I just hope they're around to do it for many years to come!
They would make videos shoveling horse shit if horseshit got as many views and sponsors
@@jhtsurvival Jared used to run with Patty Mayo before this lol, doing fake warrant arrests
Doug is peak Dunning-Kruger Effect
@@cipero9246 Oh really?
@@smore94 17:04 Jared puts the camera down to help. He was Patty's camera man. ruclips.net/video/H4IwpMMOJk8/видео.html&ab_channel=PattyMayoFakeChannel
oh my gosh, I just found your video after watching the AWP over the weekend and as an experienced and trained professional Diver and Medical Provider I was screaming at the TV. I felt bad because I wanted to be so excited for these guys for all they do but I have been horrified at their unfortunate and yet often un-necessary risks or oversights to safety. like the time the dove off the dock while boats were whizzing by and they had no flag up, they were not letting bypassing boats know that a diver is down. I get that the guys are doing good, but they get amped up and start rushing to get to the wreck and skip steps. getting bent doesn't always happen instantaneously, Bends can come on gradually. and why don't they have oxygen on hand? this is nuts.
Not to mention pulmonary embolism.
The camera miraculously stopped recording… huh.
Jared is exactly what he claimed to dislike about egotistic dive instructors. I wouldn’t give a care whether he likes you guys. Jared is incredibly selfish, that was made incredibly apparent in his own words.
"They can talk as they die." I'm always here for the Gus comments.
Do you morbid people sit around your house praying for people you disagree with to die?
Haha just ruthless!
LOL true
My open water instructor told me that the number 1 job of a diver is to not run out of air. If a diver ever gets close to running out of air due to their own negligence, then that is one horrible diver.
I am speechless. The world of diving is so unnecessarily unsafe because of guys like Jared & Doug. I hope these guys learn soon or are stopped by an actual professionally trained recovery team. This is the equivalent of teenagers shooting a gun twice & then calling themselves elite soldiers.
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right, I have heard doug say the same thing, he has told police on multiple vids I am the most qualified person in the world when it comes to these things. He is not, he knows how to hook up a car for sure, but thats it.
Maddddd props to Woody keeping it real. It can be tough reacting to these big channels with such a great motive. Yet another example of good quality, wholesome content.
People like to toss the term "dunning-kruger effect" around and it often gets attached to people who are simply stupid. Jared in this video however is a perfect explanation of what Dunning-Kruger describes and the dangers inherent. He is not stupid, at all. He is over-confidant in himself. Every successful excursion leads to an increase in that over confidence. He points to a perceived ego of instructors(often accurate) while completely failing to recognize that exact same ego in himself. We are all susceptible to this on some level, my self most certainly included.
People like Jared is why I like to say arrogance is the leading cause of stupidity, not any lack of IQ.
Imagine this guy as a pilot. Well we crashed but it’s the perfect outcome for training
😂😂😂😂😂 for real
It's a great learning experience.
Now we know what it feels like to almost die for reason we don't understand, and only survive due to luck.
Lol Word
Dude I’m a pilot and a diver. A much more experienced pilot than diver. This is the first dive video I’ve seen that got me freaked out. I was watching them set up and the camera guy asking very good questions. And I sit here and think to my self “this is the blind leading the blind”. I hope Doug get training from somewhere. He’s got the heart and mind to do great things. Just needs the education to make him better and safer.
Best part of the commentary and I’m only 20 minutes in:
Them: “we’ll have comms”
Gus: “oh, they can talk as they die”
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Hilarious! 💀 I rewound it just to make sure he said "die," not "dive!"
20:46
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I'm a commercial diver and you guys are 100% right can't dive with a full face without training can't use a dry suit without training can go from 30 ft to 100 ft you go in steps this is wild
Gentlemen, this video is the perfect one, to illustrate what not to do.
Thank you very much for sharing. I used to follow diving with purpose on RUclips. Being a diver myself, I remember saying I can help someone here in Canada. But without the proper diving expertise, I would not be able to help myself, let alone someone else.
As a professional pilot I have a saying...Everything goes fine...Up until the moment it doesn't. I admire what they are trying to do and wish these guys the best. Hopefully they never run into a situation they aren't prepared for because stuff starts to snowball fast.
I haven't ever felt that either of you guys come across as egomaniacs. If anything, Jared is coming off as an egomaniac in this video. I hope that Doug realizes that he needs to attend more classes and not rely on Jared for his diving education or safety.
really right in there comments during video is know it all ego they cave dive which is a different animal. the one even stated with his expertise didn't know how to clear a full face mask while other states ever one should know how too so one does other doesn't yet they are experts .
@@oliverbrown2750 when did they say they were experts? I think they explained their credentials in this video and also it’s in their channel description.
Woody kinda rubbed me the wrong way on the Donald Cerrone video. He was too busy trying to think up complaints so he wasn’t really listening and he kept misunderstanding things and Gus had to keep elaborating and interpreting what he was actually saying.
@@oliverbrown2750 Woody stating "I believe there are prescribed procedures by people that were far greater than me, and we should teach these procedures and practice them so we don't die," and their concern about safety as the primary focus of their channel, contradicts your perception and statement.
Woody and Gus passionately critique incidents where serious and deadly mistakes were made to help others learn, as they earnestly care about their safety. Woody mentioned he also learns from his students. And they said there are lots of other certified instructors out there, not just them, to get training from. It's the opposite of having an ego to admit you aren't trained in a particular area. Gus has qualified why he has chosen not to use and go through full face mask training at this point, which is not necessary to dive proficiently. Both of them are certified instructors in multiple skills and have a lot of experience.
I hope your offer to help Josh, Doug, and others is still on the table given the circumstances of Jared’s criminal indictments and the rest of team distancing themselves from the leader that let them down. Their work has been so beneficial, I hope they can stick together and move forward. Support from you would be awesome in this rocky time for them.
I reached out to them privately and offered our support.
@@DIVETALK Thank you.
I'm happy you called him out, so many where blinded by this man for the good he was doing, I feel so sad for the crew and the victims.
@@watsonspuzzle oh but they were as the behind the scenes tell the tale and not one of these guys had the morals to leave like Dan Dan and his son did. These guys call themselves "lead divers" and "detectives" and all sorts of fibs without any training or background. They are the literal "I play one on TV". The grift of their channel is apparent to most thinking people. They are never transparent. They have bluffed and buffooned themselves into millionaires and it's only by some kind of miracle that they are still alive. The company was build on con-ethics and they all played along and collected their pay.
I loved that you guys could have a open discussion with Doug about this, refreshing to see content creators able to treat each other with respect
This was so good!! New depth: more risk, new equipment: more risk, cold water: more risk, full face mask: more risk, dry suit without training: more risk. Did I forget something? Oh, new computer: a bit more risk.
…and “something went wrong”… who could’ve guessed…😒
It’s almost like Jared is trying to kill Doug.
Plus, even if they did not have access to any pool for training... they could've at the least gone over the computer operations the night/days before this dive so he knew 100% how to read it, the main features, etc. Not saying he would/should know the deco model that computer uses or details like that, but he could and should know how to use and read that computer before he even touches water. Esp with no backup pressure gauge
You forgot using wireless for the first time too without testing 😂
@@tamatea_ There were all the ingredients of a fatality, the man is lucky to be alive. She was not so lucky: ruclips.net/video/2epY6GRI2mU/видео.html
Damn, I've not seen Woody this serious in a while. Woody ain't playing when it comes to dive safety and training!
Fantastic instructors take all divers beginner to advanced as their own. Example they can reconize stressed/struggling divers very quickly and they stay within range to assist quickly, even though they ( instructor ) will scrub their own pleasure dive to ensure a divers safety. Because they dont want anyone in danger on their watch !!! A great example was with Bryan Stafford with Lake Hickory Marina with a stressed diver that was not in his group.
Maybe because there are, you know, lives at stake.
Edit: sorry I sounded a little arrogant here, that was uncalled for. But many people (including me) consider safety very important, it's no joke in these environments.
You two talked with such delicate compassion to Doug. All three of you are humble. I do want Doug to get certified so his wonderful soul can stay here. We need you!
I've always thought Jared as arrogant and self-centred... I guess it's all coming to light now......and there definitely won't be any training with him now after the horrendous accusations against him .
So appreciate this technical breakdown! As a recreational pilot, the idea of a real world emergency being seen as a “good learning experience” boggles my mind. The only ‘good’ emergency is one trained in a simulated environment. I don’t dive, but I come across people with Jared’s attitude in aviation and they are always a danger to themselves and others, but never have the perspective to see this. What you guys do in sharing the science and safety of diving is good work!
I was completely abashed when he had claimed that in the video. He could have died, and that's what made it a "good experience" to him. I agree with you, the only "good" emergency experience is when there is no emergency. The best class is the one with the least near death experiences.
His attitude is appalling. I've seen it myself in many people who are constantly getting themselves and others into serious trouble. Completely agree. He will get someone killed.
I'm a PPL and those were my thoughts exactly - same cowboy attitude you see in pilots, they mistake the luck of getting away with their bad habits for years as "experience," right up until the day it finally runs out.
@@vdubs1112 Or if you're an Ag pilot, until the day ya hit the wires!! I saw that once from about 80 ft away... Exciting!!! Also, I was an AP mechanic, so I had to Buff out and tighten up some of them Cowboy planes, HAHAHA!!
As a lifelong adrenaline addict/junky I never fooled around underwater or in the air. The first thing my flight instructor taught me was "it's alot better to be on the ground wishing you were flying, than it is to be in the air and wishing you were on the ground "...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
Gus, and Woody, especially Woody in this case, please continue to speak and educate. There will always be haters because it's lonely at the top. You guys are the best and I love to hear every word. Never hesitate to hit that pause button. Yall are amazing people
Doug on another video on AWP stated he was a heavy breather, and uses his tanks up quickly. I was a Medic/FF so used to SCBA but I’m not a diver, I’ve been on multiple 911 calls for Diving accidents as I’m in south Florida. I thought your narration was so informative. As I watched them go down, I was concerned, even though even knowing they were OK..This was so dangerous as I know ppl learn in pools and get used to equipment etc way more training was so obvious. First time seeing your channel as I have watched all the videos AWP, and wanted to see your comments. I will watch your channel now, it’s so informative, and interesting …
I’m also in SoFlo frequently. What mishaps happen down here? (Diving wise)
Great panic talk. I was commended at work when a student went into shock and I barely blinked. Just immediately started doing everything to aid him that I had been trained to do. What they didn’t realize was that since I was diagnosed as a Type 1 diabetic when I was 4, I’ve come close enough to dying enough times to not be scared.
I can see Doug eventually taking you up on taking a class. He seems genuinely eager to learn the proper ways to dive..
My big concern for Jarad is complacency.... as a personal example I have done a lot of chainsaw work. Thousands of hours. Cutting graft sites and associated cutting in fruit orchards. This work was mostly done using little chainsaws with special low kick chains. Using this gear I have never had a saw kick, I have never had a near miss. So a few months ago one of my shelter belts dropped a tree out of it so I broke out the saw. Being my place not 'work' and it being hot as hell I didn't feel the need to put on the safety gear. So I was starting to cut and I thought that the saw I used at work had a 12 inch bar with low kick chain... and the saw I was using had an 18 inch bar and normal chain.... and more than twice the BHP.... then the saw had a little kick (I controlled it fine) and I went and put on the boots, Helmet chaps and gloves.... And I can see this crew getting into trouble in a way that you can't flick the kill switch and change your setup. The hazards of shallow diving in a river or pond are so much different to deep you would need a massive amount if self awareness to make it out alive....
*_Kudos to the both of you for your calmness, clarity & your message on safety & training through this video._*
Thank you for reviewing all this with Doug.
I dated a diver in high school, which was what started me. He & i went our separate ways after i got my PADI. Didn't find out til _after_ the vows that my husband was _not_ diving-partner material. So i haven't been diving since 1980.
I watched AWP for a while but stopped because Jared got on my last nerve for several reasons, & i found myself muting him through the video.. Which just became... _too much effort for benefit._
I don't see how you two guys sit through this video & have fingernails or eyelids left. Even knowing everyone ended up still breathing in the end, i had a problem watching this. The "solo" part of this had me shrieking! The dependence on coms...
_I gotta go!_
I live in SW Georgia. My son went diving looking for arrow heads in a local river. He went down and never came back up. They found him 9 hours later in 8 ft of water. It happened Aug12th 1999 now 23 years later I still can’t get it out of my head from when I had to identify him
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Hey man I just want to say I love you and hang on ❤️ he's watching over you
Omg I'm so sorry
sorry but this has nothing to do with this video and your search for attention and compassion should also not be in a youtube comment section.
@@jemand8462 really? Here I was thinking this was SOCIAL media? Maybe it’s the unfeeling that shouldn’t be here?
I use to be the guy that hated on you but the more I watch the more I realize a lot of people are just overly confident until they die absolutely no way I would go under water without someone who knows what they are doing watching you guys has made me understand how dangerous this shot really is
You guys were right calling Jared out
Great thing to discover this channel! You guys are amazing! I'm learning a lot!
I don’t get certified for the fancy cards, I get certified because I learn from the experience of others. I learn from my instructor’s experience and the experience of those who came before me. What most people don’t understand is the safety procedures we learn are written in blood. What I mean by that is we learn from the misfortune of others. Most safety procedures are written due to accidents that happened in the past.
Exactly, just because specialty's exist that you don't necessarily agree with doesn't mean that you have to get them or disregard the entire educational system. I pursue the training and specialty certs that I want to learn more about or would be relevant to dives that I want to do in the future not just because I want another card.
And being certified gives you solid ground to stand on!
“Pay closer attention to your air “ did he really say that? As he ditched him under water while he was under distress?!!! Oh. My. God
Just a word on people not panicking. I was train to be a Ski Patroller and during the training one of the huge thing as a teacher is the best reaction is no reaction… you’re right some people can just keep their head in certain situations and some people can’t.
always a warning before disaster. That camera man would’ve been my “warning” that day. I appreciate him for the safety concerns!
One of the MANY reasons why I had to step away from this group. I seen a number of near death things happened while hanging with theses guys. It was viewed as “good content”
Glad I had a wake up call.
Praying for their safety…
Honestly LOVE what the Adventures with Purpose mission has been just wish all the proper training and safety precautions had been followed. Glad you realized how dangerous it had been and got out! Safety always has to be first.
Fame and wealth of any level is not worth risking life or limb,, I love that the family's get there loved one's home but I do not agree that any living person should be risking there life to make that happen I know diving is always risky no matter what but it should be done a safe as it can be
Wow…I was wondering what happened to you and AWP Sam! I miss seeing you on the show.
Sam you made a great move ! Blessings sent to you and yours !
I was curious why you disappeared.
Do you talk about your "wake up call" anywhere?
I'm a AWP subscriber and I'd love to hear what you have to say.
I've seen this video before but it's a whole new thing with a fresh set of eyes and your commentary! It's actually making me really anxious! Great video, guys!!♥️
Watching these guys prep was more frightening than any horror movie I’ve ever seen!😱
The letter is really a strawman argument, and does nothing to support his method. It's true a lot of learning does happen outside the classroom. That doesn't make certification worthless, far from it.
There is very robust evidence across every field that formal training has had a significant impact on safety. The most common cause of accidents is human error, so you NEED to be formally assessed before taking on a responsibility where a mistake you make could have significant consequences. You need to build experience, you need to make complex things simple.
Hands on learning is not an alternative to formal training, it's inherantly part of diving that should be practiced. Just because you do practice it, doesn't make formal training redundant. They run a great channel but it doesn't excuse them from criticism.
Practice makes permanent, not perfect. If you are trained wrong, and reinforce that bad training with practice, you can end up in WORSE shape than a novice!
To be honest, even if the certification was teaching something like underwater knitting it still would be 100% worth taking, there's always value in any sort of certification.
@@SupComRaiden2 I guess it depends on how much you value your life. There are good instructors and bad. Basic certs and extra "more elective" certification. Just like there are good and bad colleges and professors. Yes Everyone learns differently but when I go to the hospital I want a licensed surgeon to operate on me not just a self proclaimed one. A little homework would go a very long way to be safe. Diving is a technical sport that kills uneducated people.
The certificate is the base level you safe can continue learning from your self. It's a starting point for a new set of risks.
A drivers license doesn't make you a full learned driver. Just make you safe enough to continue your learning without an instructor next too you at all time. Same with divers license. OW is base level for go on with other experienced divers, but just because you made a one week course and 8 dives, doesnt make you skilled enough to difficult dives in cold and dirty water by yourself.
I was actually shocked at 16:49 when he said it's his first deep dive and a completely new system. I'm not a diver but I can't think of anything where it makes sense changing 2 things in a dangerous situation.
I am no diver, I am a software developer and every time something changes in my line of work something goes wrong.
Doug is an idiot and was not honest about surfacing quickly from 30ft because he then went on to say 50-30ft so you can take a guess he surfaced quickly from around at least 70ft.
I'm a PADI and SDI instructor for a sheriff's office search and recovery dive team. 16:49 made me gasp in disbelief!
Jae,zus,christ! Lookijg atthat dive site from the surface thinking "this is my first dive below 16m, but its ok i have totally new setup" makes my scallop wink
Aaaand now dry suits! This is the best video you guys have done!
only ten minutes in and as a dive master with thousands of dives this is a tragedy waiting to happen maybe not today or tomorrow I pray they learn before disaster
Sounds like you're having a hard time with comments that are gaslighting. You all don't need to defend yourselves. I'm never going to dive but find all of this fascinating. I've learned so much from this channel and while I'll never use it personally, I can easily recognize the value you all provide. Training is important, over confidence is deadly, and refusing advice because of ego is stupid.
You all are doing great, don't let hateful comments stop you from doing what you're doing. Great video as always, looking forward to the next.
Honestly, a huge take away for me with this Dive Talk video I NEVER EVEN KNEW that there were SO MANY dive classes. Before this channel, I thought there were only like 3 or 4 classes total. Awesome knowledge!
I love your videos and learn so much every time. I'm a militant about diving safety and all your advice and comments have come in so handy when diving from a liveaboard with my (all-women, advanced OW) diving group in the Red Sea earlier this year. We're getting ready for a Komodo Islands liveaboard in May of next year!
I totally agree with Woody. Safety is paramount and ego is the one thing that will inevitably let you down, without fail. People need training and certifications DO create more safety. Please keep spreading these messages.
I agree with your comment
I love what AWP is doing. However, from the beginning of watching their channel, I knew Jarod was playing fast and loose with his abilities. As a firefighter I can relate to what they are talking about. So many basic issues that were missed in this dive. Very few understand what it is like to be in an environment where you have a timer on how much air you have left to breathe. There is a reason there are systems and training for this kind of thing. Jarod needs to realize this and get some actual training. I worry his attitude makes him unwilling to do just that. What he may fail to realize is his channels continuing popularity will shine a light on his poor practices. He needs to do better.