The speed at which Arthur drew his gun in response to Micah drawing his is incredible, especially at this stage where he’s on the brink of death. Micah wouldn’t stand a chance against him at the beginning. He even struggles in both of the final encounters where they fight it out.
2:41 Arthur Drew his gun and aimed it immediately at the Rat before he could get his own, with frightening speed. And this is Arthur in the last stages of TB. Healthy Arthur would've killed everyone in under ten seconds.
@@ark3051 I mean we did just watch Milton gain an upper hand on Arthur because his strength was "Leaving him." This feat is incredible because after 8 or 10 years, John gets outdrawn by an older Micah. Arthur is superhuman in this moment.
What an honourable man, John, sticking by Arthur's side even when it's the losing side. He knew in the end Arthur was the one who really cared about him the way Dutch only pretended to.
Omg everybody who keeps saying Dutch chose a guy who has ridden with him 6 months over a guy in 20 years arthur was losing faith in Dutch and dutch could see that and arthur wasn't listening to dutch when he told him not to rescue john and micah was a rat sure but he didn't doubt dutch or askeds questions
It fits his character by the end of the game though, he didn't care about who was with him anymore, he only cared about who was against him. It was his downfall
If you are not with me, then you are my enemy... ...only a sith deals in absolutes. Dutch's whole outlook on life at this point is effectively that which he has fought so hard against to keep his family of friends together.
Where am I going with this? Dutch didn’t care about anyone. He didn’t know she was innocent all Dutch wanted was the money that everyone worked for but not get paid for. Fuck Dutch I don’t know how people feel bad for that sorry fuck.
@@kareemrashed1494 John cared, he was trying to get Arthur to come with him but Arthur knew he was at the end of the line so he told John to leave (if you choose the help John ending) Hosea cared too, Sadie cared but she was with Abigail and Jack at the time. Lenny was long dead before this. Several characters left way early cuz Arthur told them to leave.
@@kareemrashed1494 John cared, Sadie cared, Mary-Beth cared, Mickey the one armed veteran cared, Rains Fall cared, Tilly cared, Pearson cared, Charlotte Balfour the widow cared and Mary Linton also cared
If yall didn’t know, Arthur’s health is a reflection of the gang. As his health deteriorates, so does the Gang. He was the heart and soul of the gang, and it died along with him.
What makes me feel better is how everyone still gets to have a happy ending (at the end of RDR2 at least lol) because of Arthur's sacrifice. Arthur's fought to save the girls, and they all got to live their lives. Arthur fought for John, Abigail and Jack, and they got to live their lives (shh shh let's not talk about RDR1 yet lol). Watching RDR2 on its own, everyone whom Arthur gave his life for, thrive and find happiness because of his sacrifice. It makes it worth it, and it reflects perfectly on Sister Calderon's words. Take a bet on love, believe that love is still out there and that it's worth it.
No, it's not like everyone trust Micah. As for Dutch. It was the peak moment that broke his mind completely. - The division between Arthur vs Micah. - He confused about which one of them to trust, his loyal gunslinger or the one that have "same vision" with him. - John, one of "his sons" suddenly appears and blames for leaving him to die. - Pinkerton, their nemesis arrives. - Micah shots Grimshaw, it broke a code. But Dutch has it all in his mind, that's why he stick with his ideal. To escape, since at that moment before Arthur arrive, they had all the money they need and already packing. "Who's with me and who's betray me?" Would be and easiest question to ask in a confusing and critical moment like that. I would do the same thing if I was in Dutch's position. They don't have time to think, they don't have time to find out. As with that question asked, Dutch points his guns to both Arthur and Micah. He slowly walks towards more open space, to escape of course. Micah is smart, he only sees Dutch needs loyal dogs. Henceforth he aims his guns to Arthur and walks slowly towards Dutch. Dutch only see that as Micah was on "his side". As for Bill and Javier. It's all matter of positions. They're always loyal to Dutch and that time they need to pick sides of course they will stick to Dutch. And that time, Micah was already close to Dutch side. If only after arrived at the camp, Arthur stick with them to escape. Just to escape and make Plan how to bust Micah or even kill him. I think Dutch will be on his side at some moment.
@@DimarisPlays I really like your explanation. Especially for Dutch. For Javier and Bill, I can imagine that Bill just cares about chances of winning and for Javier, he dedicated his life to Dutch and his ideas. Pointing his gun against him would harm his principles, but he does not hate John and Arthur, he might even be sad about all that, because in this cutscene he seems very nervous, if he's thinking about who is right.
Fr. But not everyone did. John didn’t. Javier put his gun up because he didn’t know which side to choose. He loves Dutch because Dutch saved him, but there’s no doubt he lost himself. Arthur was on the verge of dying, sick, some people could’ve thought he was lying or was also the rat because he didn’t follow Dutch’s plan on saving John I wish Javier and others had some logic🤷♂️
Javier was one of my favriote characters in RDR2 because of his loyality. I don't think he went with Dutch because he was more loyal towards him than he was towards Arthur. He went with Dutch because he had no clue what was going on, he came on screen after Arthur said Micah was a rat, he proably never heard, he simply didn't know what was fully going on.
That being said I don't who he would have sided with. Arthur remarks how Javier is one of the most loyal in the gang. So in that respect he could have went with Dutch. But I think he would have sided with Arthur because Arthur wasn't against Dutch in that last scene, no he was against Micah. Javier seemed to have regret in red dead redemption 1 in leaving John behind and if he knew that Dutch just left him behind because of a selfish reason I think he would have seen how broken the gang was, he would have seen that Micah was the cause of all of this and how damaged the man he looked up to. My thoughts, my theory.
Susan needs more recognition, she was one of the only people who had the courage and bravery to not only talk back to Micah and Dutch. But also defend and side with Arthur and John even it meant her sacrificing her life
I was getting up eating stew drinking coffee in front of Kieran as he was tied to the tree, but he pointed out right from the start there’s not much difference between Colm and Dutch, and the money in the chimney was a great help, RIP KIERAN.
@EseChava 22 Bill fell from grace for long before the game. He was dismissed from the army. He was loyal to Dutch, but since Arthur and John were amongst the best gang members to Dutch, he viewed them as rivals. Not a friendly rivalry, I tell you. And then Dutch abandoning the gang as well, leaving him disappointed and he went on to create his own gang as we know in RDR. I don't remember what happen to Javier, probably seeing John working for Ross and hunting Bill down pisses him the fuck off. Javier was still the same man, I reckon.
If they do make a DLC, I hope it’s of Bill and Javier unsure what to make of Dutch anymore after the gang broke up. Then the two left Dutch to start anew. We can say the two were hired to work for Allende but Bill chose to stay in the US. As a sign of their friendship, Javier promised Bill a place he can stay should he go to Mexico. Javier did jobs for Allende and in return, Allende promised to take in and protect Bill should he end up in Mexico.
4:01 Notice how Javier points his gun upward instead of at Arthur. Gabriel Sloyer, the actor who performed Javier, stated he did this on purpose bc he refused to go against his brother Arthur
Arthur: “Bill, Javier-think! Think for yourselves!” In a way, Bill and Javier actually listened to Arthur’s advice in the same way that John did. Those two, even though they sided with Dutch in this showdown, only did so because of their loyalty, fear, and confusion. They ended up abandoning Dutch shortly after this, and Micah was the only one who stayed. Arthur Morgan truly influenced every aspect of RDR1, even though that game mentions him not once.
If you look closely at the end, Javier points his gun to the sky instead of at Arthur because even the voice actor was against his character going fully against him.
Omg just seeing Arthur team up with John is the best Edit: look how fast Arthur peeks at Ms grimshaw when she comes out with her gun I noticed that and was like wow
@@TheREALHugo4 Tuberculosis makes people die slower, and dying slow is horrible. You cough up blood until you die, does it still sound better than cancer?
You can take antibiotics for TB thought, it can be cured. I’ve seen cancer in person and it’s far worse. The medication you take for cancer(cemo) makes you really sick.
The real reason Javier didn’t point his gun was because the voice actor who mentioned in a panel was told to aim it at Arthur to which he replied that he couldn’t, he was his brother and said if he could change one thing about the game that it would be having Javier stand with Arthur
@@Berserk_96 Maybe it was a way to get Javier to side with Arthur against Dutch and then he decides to bail when John needs his help and it would have made sense in the first game when John told him that he left him to die to save his own skin
@@therealjesus1317 It is mentioned that during the Blackwater job, Dutch abruptly killed a woman(while the robbery was going smoothly), and the whole gang was being rather tensed up about that. And in the Journal it is said that Micah had a hand in planning the robbery.
Maître Obi-Wan Kenobi pretty sure Hosea had TB or Bronchitis which was a big deal back then. There’s times at camp where he can’t stop coughing at Clements point and at horseshoe overlook too maybe twice. At one point he couldn’t stop coughing in Clemens point and Lenny told him to sit down and Hosea talked about death and how he’s not doing well. Then Lenny and Hosea have a conversation at some point in the midst of chapter 3 and Lenny talks about if Hosea is scared of death. I think his time was coming to an end.
You know.. RDR1 made Javier and Bill seem like the worst possible people to know. But in truth, they were just scared. They didn’t even have anything to do with leaving John to die. It was all Dutch. The only thing Bill and Javier really did was side with Dutch and Micah instead of Arthur and John because they were scared.
FlymanMS you know.. I’m still wondering how and why Bill and Javier left Dutch and Micah. John talked about it like those two left as soon as Dutch went crazy. But as we saw, they kinda just stuck right by Dutch
@Berzerk Llama yeah but they still were absent in the epilogue so their loyalty was either temporary to survive the current situation or they had a falling out
@@quiet3455 If you buy a newspaper when you get to Saint Denis with Uncle, it says Javier returns to Mexico in 1907, so pretty much four years before RDR
I can see it from a different perspective. Seeing as how both Arthur and John come back to camp with Pinkerton following them Javier and Bill can be blinded by their loyalty to Dutch by thinking that both John and Arthur ratted on them upon the return which is why they took so long. Dutch is between a rock and a hard place having so many heists go wrong, so many people dead, and the fact that his long time companions are slipping away in his mind makes him turn away from his original vision and side with the real rat until it's too late.
Steven Yim sir I disagree solely for one reason, Dutch could’ve been listened to Arthur, Hosea even told him he was doing wrong. If a man that I’ve been friends with for 20 years says he needs to be out the gang, if a man who had my back for 20 years said 6 months ain’t enough to trust Micah. Then I’m not listening to Micah, Dutch listened to Micah and kept thinking about money when Arthur and Hosea both said that some of the jobs weren’t gonna work and they was making too many enemy’s. Dutch doesn’t get sympathy, hell he left John and Arthur to die.
“Dutch!" "John?" "You left me! You left me to die!” *guitar strum* “Dutch!” “Sean?” “You left me! You left me in Rhodes!” *guitar strum* “Dutch!” “Lenny?” “You left me! You left me at the Bank!” *guitar strum* “Dutch!” “Colm?” “You left me! You left me to hang!” *guitar strum* "Stop it! All of of you, you're ruining my *fucking* yoga!" “Did somebody say ‘yoga’?” “...Trevor?” "Dutch..."
2:40 Damn. Arthur is so cold with that pistol. Notice how his draw is so much quicker than everyone else in this scene. AND he’s in the late stages of his sickness, but yet he drew on Micah faster than grease lighting. Unfortunately, we never get to see the abilities of the Callander boys, but Arthur was the best gun Dutch ever had as far as I can tell. And what is so annoying to me is the fact that if Micah got his revolver up first, he would’ve most certainly shot Arthur. And I just have a hard time believing that if Arthur shot Micah at any point in the game that Dutch would’ve tried to kill Arthur, regardless of how annoyed he got with him and John. Because at the end of the day, Micah isn’t family to Dutch. Just another gun. For example, you never hear Dutch call Micah “son” at any point in the game. He even calls John son, even though he fucks him over so many times. And if you disagree with that point, I’ll just say this: you can still love someone and misuse them. But anyway, back to the Micah thing.. Every time I see this part, I just scream into the tv: JUST SHOOT THE BASTARD ARTHUR.
Dutch’s side: Micah, Dutch Bill, Javier, cleat, and Joe Arthur’s side: Arthur, John, Uncle, Lenny, Hosea Sadie, Charles, Pearson, Karen, the Indians, Sean, Susan, Molly, and That military captain
You mean the guy that was keep saying to john Arthur and charles why they lost their faith to dutch and was keep saying to them to try harder and then he left john to die on the train That guy was clearly with Dutchs side
Solid Paras Makes sense why Javier acted like that towards Arthur, John and Charles.He was probably just trying to keep the group together especially when it’s already a really hard time as it is.And I believe John was knocked out when he fell off the train and Dutch and/or Micah told Bill and Javier he’s dead, hence why Bill’s surprised and Javier confused.
niall carroll but there was another ending where Dutch and micha go up in to the mountains why would Dutch go with him up there if he knew he was a lier
niall carroll it doesn’t makes sense, he stayed with micah like 6 years and then John talked to dutch like 5 sentences and out of nowwhere he kills micah like why did he didn’t do that before
@@johnmarston6479 he did not stay with Micah I think. When John asked him what he's doing there with Micah,Micah said that they are reuniting once more and they got money and want John to join them.
2:39 Micah reaches for his gun, Arthur pulls onto his in the a tenth of a second upon seeing this. He wasn't even healthy or in his prime here and he was able to do this. Man, he would've killed everyone else there with somewhat ease if he was in his prime. Also that probably makes him faster than RDR2 / RDR1 (before training) John
He was definitely faster than John at that point or the Epilogue, but John by the time of Red Dead Redemption 1 is a motherfucking beast who doesn't take shit from Landon Ricketts and singlehandedly won a revolution. They were likely evenly skilled if John wasn't even more skilled at that point.
The really sad part about all this is that Arthur, even after everything thats gone down, still goes back to warn Dutch. He was truly loyal till the end, and even though you can see in Dutch's eyes that he believes Arthur, he's too far gone to come back from it. Such a great story, better than most movies nowadays, and really captures the feeling of trying to hold on to something thats already lost. In this instance it was the freedom that these outlaws had throughout the years that was slowly being ripped out from under them because of the industrialization of the country. Damn.....
It's a good discussion started. As you said. Dutch KNEW Arthur was right. He knew Micah was the rat and yet was so blinded and gone. He couldn't back out now. At this point, the men who called "Sons" were rats and needed to be dealt with. When in reality the man who was really the rat. Was right by his side. Dutch was not one to ask for forgiveness. So in the act of chasing Arthur and John. He was already too far gone.
It's a good discussion started. As you said. Dutch KNEW Arthur was right. He knew Micah was the rat and yet was so blinded and gone. He couldn't back out now. At this point, the men who called "Sons" were rats and needed to be dealt with. When in reality the man who was really the rat. Was right by his side. Dutch was not one to ask for forgiveness. So in the act of chasing Arthur and John. He was already too far gone.
The bit where everyone slowly walks over to their side in the end with John and Arthur being the only ones left whilst Arthur tries too convince Bill and Javier is really heartbreaking
Don't know if you'll comment again but Javier was really on Arthur's side, but he was still loyal to dutch. He never shot or pointed a gun at arthur, he just held it above his head.
If it brings you some consolation you should know John Marston eventually killed every last one of the men present in that shot one by one. Avenging Arthur in the process
What's sad is that many people would have done what Javier would have done in this scenario by hesitatingly lower the gun or aim the gun in the air. You're going to trust the person you knew longer but still wouldn't want to fight people you're close with.
@@rinzler1801 nah bills just dumb as rocks. There is a random encounter in Lakay in which arthur gets raped if he trusts the stranger and after bill finds out and makes fun of arthur
@@0subsWith0vidsChallenge Actually, I just think that Bill thought Arthur was actually gay and maybe was even excited because he could have finally found someone to be open with his own homosexuality with without fear of being ridiculed or mocked. Now, I know that it was never confirmed whether Bill is actually gay or not but there are many details that point to the fact that he is gay. In a random encounter, Bill asks Arthur to get him hair pomade, to which the two of them were both awkward about it. Usage of Hair pomade back then was considered far too feminine for a man and was used as a lubricant for homosexual activities. This could explain as to why Arthur tells Bill to never mention it again, which is the first time we see him do this is those random fetch favors. Another this that points to Bill being gay is how he is around Kieran. Flustered, strange, a touch too friendly. He also mentions how upset he was that Kieran was killed. Pretty gay to me. Also, we've never see him have any sort of connection with the women of the camp. The rapist is Lakay would probably not tell Bill that he raped Arthur and would lie and tell Bill that they had a great time. Bill, probably maybe being gay, would without a doubt be excited because there was finally someone within the camp that is also homosexual. Perhaps so the two can do their respective activities or just talk about it like to gay bros do. And also, when Arthur tells him to screw off, Bill puts his hands up and is fine with being told off because he too understands the embarrassment and shame of being a gay man in the late 1800s. I don't think Bill was being an intentional dick, he just didn't know and thought he found a gay homie to gush about man booty with.
I reckon Micah shot her because he knew that out of anyone she'd probably be the first to pull the trigger, seeing as how quickly she decided to kill Molly after she falsely confessed to being the betrayer.
It sucks because Arthur is not siding against Dutch, he's siding with John, but because Dutch left John for dead, John is siding against Dutch. It's really interesting to look at how each side panned out, Arthur couldn't side with Dutch over John so the creep Micah does
Dutch sided with Micah more than he did anyone in the gang. -Broke Micah out of Jail -left Arthur for dead -left John for dead -told Arthur not to rescue Abigail If anything, Dutch was the real snake. It baffled me why Arthur continued to side with him afterwards and didn’t shoot micah after he shot susan. Arthur went out caring about others more than he did himself. That led to his demise.
I like how Micah says to Dutch “ be practical now” appealing to a materialistic and numerical mindset about time, money, and supplies. While Arthur says “Think” appealing to reason, logic, and the emotional side of Dutch.
Ben Wasserman "it's alright Arthur, that boi starved when we were in Guarma, only to have a bunch of PINKERTONS poison his mind, hell any man in that situation would do that. I'd even wager you might have, had it been you they grabbed, son"
He betrayed his own gang, own people. Even arthur, he left him to die, same as John, he is just a fool, and Micah noticed that and used for his own The stupid thing is this that arthur was with dutch X YEARS and micah .. just for few months
@Starscream91 No. They came back after the most important people in the group have just died. When your drunk, you're considered that everything you say is truth and she's not the most evil rather she's the most strict, the only person that keeps order in the camp After she knew she fucked up, she wanted to undo it by helping to take out the real snake. R.I.P Susan Grimshaw
attack master In rdr1 though John did say that after the gang disbanded Javier went insane cuz the gang was the only true thing to him and it made him crazy when everyone left
The tone Micah says "That's a god damn lie" shows me he is thinking "so what if I did? Who's gonna believe you" Amazing how rockstar made Micah one of the most hated fictional characters
It would require New Vegas level choice and branching storylines, and given how detailed the world is I get why they didnt do that and stuck to one story line, but that would be the one thing that would have sealed RDR2 as the best game ever imo. Given total freedom like that I wouldnt have confronted Micah openly the way Arthur did, I know there was limited time since the Pinkertons were hot on your heels, but personally Id have keep my cards close, and just gone straight up behind him and took him out, plus his two buddys who would hostile immediately. Dutch may not have been pleased but I think once it was done, thered have been no time to discuss it. Especially since the Pinkies turned up right after. Better to ask forgiveness than permision.
@@stevepalpatine2828 "New Vegas level choice and branching storylines" Where the NCR gets a dam Or the Legion gets a dam. Or House gets a dam. Or yes-man gets a dam. Wowee.
@@a_loyal_kiwi88 And how many different missions and ways of completing them are there up to then? Any game is going to have to end so nearly all paths narrow down at the final missions. How new are you?
When you realize that literally every gang member who died would’ve sided with Arthur. Sean Kieran Hosea Lenny Probably Mac and Davey ( despite never seeing them it seemed Arthur and them were very close )
@@jaimelannister1797 Which is why Micah set Hosea up to be captured and killed. Micah was the proverbial "devil" on Dutch's shoulder, while Hosea was the "angel" on his shoulder, Hosea kept Dutch at least mostly sane, and Micah was dragging him further into madness....and that's precisely why Micah wanted Hosea gone.
This is a dead account. Fuck you, normies. Yeah, that hit he took on the trolley, Hosea dying, and cooking under the sun on guarma all contributed to his madness
The_SCP _Foundation no it didn’t. It all started in blackwater when he killed the little girl, it’s kinda obvious. Before guarma and the Saint denis failed heist you see Dutch slowly making dumber decisions and siding with Micah more.
Natsuki even though arthur is almost like a superhuman as gunslinger i don’t think he could kill all of them withouth cover and being in front, i think he could kill at least 2 or 3 of them but not sure if all
@@quuuuro Looks like he was, as when in dead eye he moves his gun and aims before shooting In gameplay, this is him moving his gun putting markers on everyone,it looks like he was doing that but then the Pinkertons came
I came back to realize that Micah drew both revolvers from his holster as he was trying to convince Dutch to side with him, I noticed he only pointed one at Arthur, that made me realize that if Dutch had sided with Arthur, Micah would’ve shot Dutch in a heartbeat like he did to Susan, I believe Dutch also noticed this and wasn’t taking any chances hence siding with Micah
One thing to keep in mind however is that once Dutch drew his guns and started walking Micah was aiming both of his at Arthur and John, If Dutch truly would have sided with Micah he would have shot him then and there with the clear shot. Then again he probably took Cletus and Joe into consideration since they would go against anybody Micah went against
ACTUALLY...dutch said "who is on my side"? and with that, micah was the one who slowly walked to dutch's side while aiming at arthur, making arthur look like the traitor. that was a really smart move
@@mylameusername1890 The two guys Micah brought into the gang Joe is the messed up guy you kill on mount hagan after saying,” just you left is it?” Cletus is the scrawny one that gets hanged or shot by Sadie
What a storyline, they kind of developed a student and teacher in a way with Morgan and Marston. It all makes sense now why John did what he did in the first game this scene revealed it all.
Marston went after his old gang because his family was taken, not because he was betrayed. Otherwise he wouldn't be living at home as a family man, whereas he would've been chasing them for a long time. Although it does contribute a bit, but it was mostly for his family. John did however go kill Micah to avenge Arthur with Sadie and Charles.
Za Storm also this game makes John's death even more impactful in my eyes. Arthur used his last moments on Earth to help him escape in the hopes of John getting out of the life. only to have Ross drag him back in to hunt down the old gang members and then shoot you down with a firing squad.
I remember playing Red Dead Redemption when it first came out. One of my top 5 favorite games of all time. Replayed a dozen times. I, and many others, waited almost 10 years to see this John/Dutch interaction at 2:50 Chills. Absolute chills. What a story
I remember playing the first one, Red Dead Revolver, when it came out on the PS2. Was the first M rated game I ever bought lol. It was so much fun, then RDR came out and blew it outta the water
Bill's actually a tragic character,in my eyes. Throughout red dead redemption 2 it seems he always longing for acceptance from the rest of the gang rather of just being tolerated because he was good at being a killer. Perhaps if John or Arthur had been more sympathetic and kind to Bill he may of sided with them in this confrontation. I also think Javier would've followed Bill as we see in the epilogue neither Bill or Javier sticks with Dutch or Micah rather going there own path. It really would of been interesting to see how that would've played out as Dutch and Micah would've been outnumbered
I'd go further and say if Arthur had been a bit more accepting of Micah early on things might have been different. I'm noticing lately the overtures Micah made to Arthur early in the game, he says things like "we're brothers and we need to look after each other" and Arthur always dismisses him because he doesn't trust him. Maybe Arthur was right to do so, or maybe Micah might have been a different character had he felt Arthur cared about him? Who knows? That's just great writing, Hollywood should take note.
@@anon17472 Micah treated Arthur nicely early in the game because he was afraid of him; he knew that Arthur could literally obliterate him if he wanted to. Notice how Micah only started being mean to Arthur soon after TB started weakening him.
Mando Garcia Not really... a moustache twirling villain is someone who’s evil just to be evil but Milton’s character is all about believing in the law and the civilised world. You can see that in his character whilst he’s hunting the gang
@@marj9902 That's why Ross is a better character. Milton is just your normal Pinkerton douchebag, while Ross has a much more complex view of the world. Ross thinks of himself as no better than John Marston and actually acknowledges how much of an asshole he is. One could say Ross is the actual representation of the justice system.
Early on in the game i loved dutch, he is such a charismatic character and very well written but towards the end i realises dutch doesnt care about loyalty, just your loyalty to him. Loyalty doesnt go both ways in Dutch’s book
He only cared about the people being loyal to him not to each other. IMO thats also the reason, why micah was able to influence dutch in the first place
Arthur’s side: Lenny Hosea Charles Sadie John Javier (if he knew what was going on instead of just running in at the end he’d join Arthur’s side) The woman with the shotgun who’s name I forgot Micahs side: Bill His cowboy friends Maybe Davey and Mac Undecided: Dutch Sean If Dutch saw hosea on Arthur’s side I believe he would go on Arthur’s side Sean would just follow dutch
@@woadie5118he also seemed to have a heart, and enjoyed being a part of the family over being an outlaw. I think if hed survived, he'd rather be with the people that care about each other than in it for the money.
@@angel_fruit4197No, there would be. Dutch stopped listening to Hosea a while back. Hosea might be the leader of the draw instead of Dutch in which Arthur and John would side with him.
I love how John came and knew Dutch left him to die in the robbery, it destroyed the relationship he once had with Dutch and is just so damn well executed. In RDR 1 we just heard it from Martson himself but actually witnessing it just makes it more heartbreaking. It can be said for the whole story but even though we knew what was coming it didn't make it any easier when we got there. The tale of the gang's downfall and Marston's redemption is honestly my favorite western story.
ı dont know about javier but bill... Bill Williamson was born in 1866. At some point, Bill joined the military before being dishonorably discharged for deviancy and attempted murder in 1892, after which he joined the Van der Linde gang in 1894. During his time in the gang, Williamson, along with Dutch and Javier, seemed to have had a casual sexual relationship with Abigail Marston. In 1906, a botched bank robbery leaves Marston wounded and disillusioned from wiki
@@efeabiismimisoylemessensev2027 i got this from wiki Bill Williamson joined Dutch in 1878 along with John Marston Arthur Morgan Javier Esculla And Hosea Mattews they were the first people in Dutchs gang
Efe Abi İsmimi Söylemessen Sevinirim well of course they were having sex with Abigail. She was a whore. And from the looks and sounds of things, they stopped when John and Abigail started a relationship. And Dutch was the one that left John on that Train robbery. You see and hear that in the game.
@@GREATBAMSKY Yes but Javier did care for John like a brother but John did say in the first game that Javier would follow Dutch no matter what because he was the most loyol to Dutch and when Dutch went crazy Javier took it the worst and eventully went crazy himself its very sad when u think about it
True, this game was so good. And it made the first red dead even better because this gives a reason for John going after his ex gang members. Now all rockstar gotta do is make a game about Jack, and I can die a happy man.
@@unknowngaming4781 I want a game about Arthurs son maybe Arthurs son didn't die. Or that they add another ending were Arthur survived and got cured and starts hunting down Dutch before John does but he fails and returns to Mary and there he meets a new villain.
I'd like a red dead about young Arthur, there's 20 years of story they could do prior to rdr2 which would show Dutch as Arthurs father figure making the rdr2 storyline even worse. We could find out what happened in blackwater with the woman and why the ferry was so quickly overun by pinkertons
if you pause at exactly the moment when the camera switches from Arthur and John (when the agent yells "put your guns down"), you will see that Javier is aiming at them too
Javier's voice actor said he thought Javier would still see Arthur and Dutch as family. Like in the first RDR he runs instead of shooting at you like bill does, so he asked to have Javier not point his gun at John and Arthur
Sulkii it makes me so sad because he did this Because “loyalty of dutch” even tho we all know Dutch is one some crack and that crack is called les try kill my sons but still so javiers mind is basically breaking and it hurts to think he has to go through that 😭
I like how dutch belives the guy whos been hanging around with the gang for about 6 months while not believing the one whos been there for years, but then again at the end it didnt matter anyway.
Saren Linetech incorrect. He didn’t have a choice. He knew Arthur was right but John has sided with Arthur n started exposing dutch, so Dutch couldn’t wid Arthur due to John. Therefore he sided with Micah instead to avoid the consequences
I love Micah's voice actor. The way he extends certain words is pretty funny. And Micah is such a good antagonist. Makes me wonder what rdr2 wouldn't been like if Micah replaced Colm and played a bigger part.
I knew he was a rat at the beginning along with Dutch. The way they were acting and saying certain things lead me to believe so. I ran across and heard about people that do that became rats. I’ve never liked Micah at the start when chasing ms Adler around the cabin. Fuckin idiot
During that cutscene, I had my controller down, but at 2:40, when Arthur drew his gun, I immediately grabbed it fast. I laughed at myself after that. Just sharing
3:01 i find it interesting that in rdr1 in a dialogue between Dutch and John John says "i dont have a choice" and Dutch repliea with "we always have a choice, you are just too blind to see"
Tbh, Arthur died to secure John and his family their future. To live a normal life. But Abigail and John dead anyway, and jack became an outlaw. RDR1's ending makes this ending even more tragic. Arthur dead for nothing...
Dutch went off the deep end and descended more into paranoia and violence after he watched Hosea die. Micah encouraging him further is what ended the gang in the end
It happened even before that. Dutch kept saying “one last score” over and over, yet it would never be enough. His meddling with the Grays and Braithwhites was just stupid and needlessly dangerous.
Notice how Javier is the only one not pointing his gun at Arthur and John. In the end Javier just wanted to stay loyal and probably was just conflicted with his moral compass rather than choosing a side. Which makes sense, because they all got along and cared for each other and in Red dead 1 he never really attacks john he just try’s to escape. I you could bond with Javier more than what they allowed you to.
I'm am praying if they ever remake RDR1, that they allow us to let Javier go or capture him as a side mission, I doubt they would but this scene shows how much Javier loves his brothers.
would be a cool side mission. if you capture him, you get the chance to sneak into prison with a special outfit to hide your identity, and break him out
Игры
It’s sad to think Hosea, Sean, Lenny and Charles all would have sided with Arthur here in a heart beat.
Don't forget Uncle and Mr Pearson
george jason hell yea 🤦🏾♂️
Maybe not Sean, more loyal to Dutch… But Kieran would probably have sided with Arthur though
Pick your side now.....this is over
Eren Eser I think Swanson would’ve sided with Arthur he even admits that Dutch is going crazy and that’s why he left the gang
The only one with big balls that decided to stand with Arthur and John was Susan. RIP miss Grimshaw
Ironic
And sadie
@@ST-jy9no Sadie wasnt there, she left with Abigail, Tilly and Jack
That meant a lot.... named my new horse Susan....
And she got shot and nobody cares.. tf
I love how John Marston kills everyone who was against Arthur in this encounter
Fazal Habib
True.
Micah,Cleet and Joe in epilogue, Javier and Bill in RDR1
Except Dutch
Cody Bradley he does kill Dutch just not directly.
D N on johns command
I’m
The speed at which Arthur drew his gun in response to Micah drawing his is incredible, especially at this stage where he’s on the brink of death. Micah wouldn’t stand a chance against him at the beginning. He even struggles in both of the final encounters where they fight it out.
Very true
Micah drew first too lmao
@@ultimatechessplaya Yeah But Arthur Was Just Faster Then Him lmao
Fastest gun in west 'Arthur Morgan'.
@@ultimatechessplaya check who’s fast
And the man has tuberculosis 😂
He’s a beast
2:41 Arthur Drew his gun and aimed it immediately at the Rat before he could get his own, with frightening speed. And this is Arthur in the last stages of TB. Healthy Arthur would've killed everyone in under ten seconds.
What do you mean does Tuberculosis slow you down
@@immrcontagious9096 it makes people weak, and weakness slows a person
@@ark3051 I mean we did just watch Milton gain an upper hand on Arthur because his strength was "Leaving him." This feat is incredible because after 8 or 10 years, John gets outdrawn by an older Micah. Arthur is superhuman in this moment.
@@TylerWilsonKokiri yep
Fastest gun in the west
What an honourable man, John, sticking by Arthur's side even when it's the losing side. He knew in the end Arthur was the one who really cared about him the way Dutch only pretended to.
Dutch did care, just he was manipulated this point.
That and Dutch just left him to die. But I doubt he wouldn't do the exact same thing regardless of that.
@@sol___invictus bruh we gotta have a lil chat about your…. Errrm
@@dubber1416 no he didn’t, he might have before but he didn’t at this point.
@@sol___invictus what the fuck
Arthur: *Has been riding with Dutch for 20 years*
Micah: *Has been riding with Dutch for some months*
Dutch: WhO iS bEtRaYiNg Me??!?!!!
Dutch: *OrThUr Is BeTrAyInG uS*
Ms grimshaw was there as long as Arthur too and John was with them only like 4 years after Arthur and they were both only boys
I hope we get another Prequel lol. RDR3
Dude exactly..I'm thinking the same thing.
Omg everybody who keeps saying Dutch chose a guy who has ridden with him 6 months over a guy in 20 years arthur was losing faith in Dutch and dutch could see that and arthur wasn't listening to dutch when he told him not to rescue john and micah was a rat sure but he didn't doubt dutch or askeds questions
“All of you, you pick your side now, because this is over.” is still one of my favorite lines from the series.
Ik bro
“All them years Dutch, for this snake”
@@cosmic-lagoon3269 be quiet cowpoke, be quiet you live in the clouds
Said this in a family arguement that got outta hand
"You sir are a fish"
Micah: *shoots Ms. Grimshaw*
Dutch: “who is betrayin me?!”
It fits his character by the end of the game though, he didn't care about who was with him anymore, he only cared about who was against him. It was his downfall
He really not normal anymore. All he care about who was betraying him.
If you are not with me, then you are my enemy...
...only a sith deals in absolutes.
Dutch's whole outlook on life at this point is effectively that which he has fought so hard against to keep his family of friends together.
Where am I going with this? Dutch didn’t care about anyone. He didn’t know she was innocent all Dutch wanted was the money that everyone worked for but not get paid for. Fuck Dutch I don’t know how people feel bad for that sorry fuck.
@@lambadaglover1011 i am happy she shot her. Because dutch would shoot her and that.. that would destroy him.
if u pay attention, u can see Micah was drawing first and despite Arthur’s TB he still drew it quicker than Micah has. What a beast he was.
It's so sad that Arthur died alone, and no one cared about him😢😢😢
@@kareemrashed1494 John cared, he was trying to get Arthur to come with him but Arthur knew he was at the end of the line so he told John to leave (if you choose the help John ending) Hosea cared too, Sadie cared but she was with Abigail and Jack at the time. Lenny was long dead before this. Several characters left way early cuz Arthur told them to leave.
@@kareemrashed1494 i think he was buried
@@chilomine839 Don't forget about the one armed man in Valentine...😂😂😂
@@kareemrashed1494 John cared, Sadie cared, Mary-Beth cared, Mickey the one armed veteran cared, Rains Fall cared, Tilly cared, Pearson cared, Charlotte Balfour the widow cared and Mary Linton also cared
I wonder if Micah not only shot susan out of anger but to alert the pinkertons to the gangs location.
He would always hit on her in camp, to which she would threaten him 😂
Hence why i had a revolver and a Sawed-off shotgun to discharge opon his nuts..... I was Relentless... also it was for Arthur
Good thinking
@teletubbykiller54 greasy turd with legs I'm dead
He probs woulda fired a warning shot. But knowing Micah, he would take a life whenever he gets the chance, even if it's unnecessary
If yall didn’t know, Arthur’s health is a reflection of the gang. As his health deteriorates, so does the Gang. He was the heart and soul of the gang, and it died along with him.
Never thought abt it like that
@@cultoknever thought it this way either but it makes sense now
And with this fact in mind it’s interesting Hosea died right when the gang began their “fall into madness”
Facts . I was mad ashel when he died 🤣
What makes me feel better is how everyone still gets to have a happy ending (at the end of RDR2 at least lol) because of Arthur's sacrifice. Arthur's fought to save the girls, and they all got to live their lives. Arthur fought for John, Abigail and Jack, and they got to live their lives (shh shh let's not talk about RDR1 yet lol). Watching RDR2 on its own, everyone whom Arthur gave his life for, thrive and find happiness because of his sacrifice. It makes it worth it, and it reflects perfectly on Sister Calderon's words. Take a bet on love, believe that love is still out there and that it's worth it.
Micah: *kills Grimshaw*
Everyone: Eh, we trust him
Lol. The lack of logic in outlaws.
To be fair I think they trusted him more out of fear him killing them too. Once the law showed up they pretty quickly all abandoned dutch and micah.
No, it's not like everyone trust Micah.
As for Dutch. It was the peak moment that broke his mind completely.
- The division between Arthur vs Micah.
- He confused about which one of them to trust, his loyal gunslinger or the one that have "same vision" with him.
- John, one of "his sons" suddenly appears and blames for leaving him to die.
- Pinkerton, their nemesis arrives.
- Micah shots Grimshaw, it broke a code.
But Dutch has it all in his mind, that's why he stick with his ideal. To escape, since at that moment before Arthur arrive, they had all the money they need and already packing.
"Who's with me and who's betray me?"
Would be and easiest question to ask in a confusing and critical moment like that.
I would do the same thing if I was in Dutch's position. They don't have time to think, they don't have time to find out.
As with that question asked, Dutch points his guns to both Arthur and Micah.
He slowly walks towards more open space, to escape of course.
Micah is smart, he only sees Dutch needs loyal dogs.
Henceforth he aims his guns to Arthur and walks slowly towards Dutch.
Dutch only see that as Micah was on "his side".
As for Bill and Javier.
It's all matter of positions.
They're always loyal to Dutch and that time they need to pick sides of course they will stick to Dutch.
And that time, Micah was already close to Dutch side.
If only after arrived at the camp, Arthur stick with them to escape.
Just to escape and make Plan how to bust Micah or even kill him.
I think Dutch will be on his side at some moment.
@@DimarisPlays I really like your explanation. Especially for Dutch. For Javier and Bill, I can imagine that Bill just cares about chances of winning and for Javier, he dedicated his life to Dutch and his ideas. Pointing his gun against him would harm his principles, but he does not hate John and Arthur, he might even be sad about all that, because in this cutscene he seems very nervous, if he's thinking about who is right.
Fr.
But not everyone did.
John didn’t. Javier put his gun up because he didn’t know which side to choose. He loves Dutch because Dutch saved him, but there’s no doubt he lost himself.
Arthur was on the verge of dying, sick, some people could’ve thought he was lying or was also the rat because he didn’t follow Dutch’s plan on saving John
I wish Javier and others had some logic🤷♂️
Notice how Javier never fully aimed his gun at Arthur and John.
Like he said in Red dead redemption 1 he still saw John as his brother
@@calpone6399 Yeah, Rockstar made sure to reinforce that here, which is great! Makes Javier's death a little more tragic.
Javier was one of my favriote characters in RDR2 because of his loyality. I don't think he went with Dutch because he was more loyal towards him than he was towards Arthur. He went with Dutch because he had no clue what was going on, he came on screen after Arthur said Micah was a rat, he proably never heard, he simply didn't know what was fully going on.
That being said I don't who he would have sided with. Arthur remarks how Javier is one of the most loyal in the gang. So in that respect he could have went with Dutch. But I think he would have sided with Arthur because Arthur wasn't against Dutch in that last scene, no he was against Micah. Javier seemed to have regret in red dead redemption 1 in leaving John behind and if he knew that Dutch just left him behind because of a selfish reason I think he would have seen how broken the gang was, he would have seen that Micah was the cause of all of this and how damaged the man he looked up to. My thoughts, my theory.
@@calpone6399 I think leaving John was Micah's idea that Dutch went along with. I Javier only knew as much as Arthur at that point.
We all know the reason why Micah turned on the gang was because he had to share a Bunk with Bill Williamson in Chapter 1
Yea that’s the only reason
How smart are you in the ways of science
Damn it miss grimshaw
Ms Grimshaw caused the downfall ffs
All because he had to share a bunk bed with Bill lol
Susan needs more recognition, she was one of the only people who had the courage and bravery to not only talk back to Micah and Dutch. But also defend and side with Arthur and John even it meant her sacrificing her life
fr, like i dont understand the no reaction to her death
@@jasangkalbecause somebody reacting gives the other side an opening to shoot them as well
@@jasangkal you see what happened to Susan when she was distracted, the same would happened to Arthur if he reacted as well
She had more heart than most of the men in the gang.
@@SatansGreatestSoldierthat’s the damn truth
I was getting up eating stew drinking coffee in front of Kieran as he was tied to the tree, but he pointed out right from the start there’s not much difference between Colm and Dutch, and the money in the chimney was a great help, RIP KIERAN.
zeldadude3 it’s in the house you raid with Kieran in one of the story missions
He was the best Irishman.... and i hate to say it. but Better than Irish himself.. though Irish is the funnier one
@@juliusmoe-nstar8942 So what would happen if Irish, Kieran, and Sean all walked into a bar?
@@meatrubber6552 Alot of Drunken adventures. Shenanigans and brawling the irish way. Then back in the bar to drink it dry
And thanks to him I always check the chimneys in houses
They made Javier such a cool guy in RDR 2, replaying RDR 1 makes it sting even more how far that guy fell
@E K - I agree. ;-;
*GO WITH YOUR PUTO*
@EseChava 22 Bill fell from grace for long before the game.
He was dismissed from the army. He was loyal to Dutch, but since Arthur and John were amongst the best gang members to Dutch, he viewed them as rivals. Not a friendly rivalry, I tell you. And then Dutch abandoning the gang as well, leaving him disappointed and he went on to create his own gang as we know in RDR.
I don't remember what happen to Javier, probably seeing John working for Ross and hunting Bill down pisses him the fuck off. Javier was still the same man, I reckon.
You've always been a PUTO, and he really lost his sense of style.
If they do make a DLC, I hope it’s of Bill and Javier unsure what to make of Dutch anymore after the gang broke up. Then the two left Dutch to start anew. We can say the two were hired to work for Allende but Bill chose to stay in the US. As a sign of their friendship, Javier promised Bill a place he can stay should he go to Mexico. Javier did jobs for Allende and in return, Allende promised to take in and protect Bill should he end up in Mexico.
4:01 Notice how Javier points his gun upward instead of at Arthur. Gabriel Sloyer, the actor who performed Javier, stated he did this on purpose bc he refused to go against his brother Arthur
Wow. Never noticed that before
Yeah I wish Javier chose Arthur because Javier is my favorite character.
But still he sided Micah
@@arthurmorgan6642 No, he sided with dutch
@@paulbaltazarrr Micah and dutch were in the same side so it doesn't matter
Arthur died the same way he killed Downs, and Susan died the same way she killed Molly. The amount of details you realize in this incredible game...
Molly dies by a shotgun blast while Susan died by a revolver
@@zacoman2225shot in the gut
@@zacoman2225 exact same place
@@zacoman2225it’s more so due to it being in the same place, during an argument over loyalty, and being shot while you’re not paying attention
Who is downs?
Arthur: “Bill, Javier-think! Think for yourselves!”
In a way, Bill and Javier actually listened to Arthur’s advice in the same way that John did. Those two, even though they sided with Dutch in this showdown, only did so because of their loyalty, fear, and confusion. They ended up abandoning Dutch shortly after this, and Micah was the only one who stayed.
Arthur Morgan truly influenced every aspect of RDR1, even though that game mentions him not once.
Beige it just goes to show you how incredibly well written these stories are. they fit perfectly together as an original and a prequel
If you look closely at the end, Javier points his gun to the sky instead of at Arthur because even the voice actor was against his character going fully against him.
They didn’t mention Arthur in RDR1, because he wasn’t a thought yet.
I guess I did
+Penny Summers No kidding, but the prequel definitely supports the idea that Arthur influenced a lot.
The voice actor for Micah did such a good job of making me hate him. I wanted to punch him in the face the whole game. Lol
There was no actor, I'm real
@@micahbell5572 *punches face* You Rat!
I kinda liked him.
He had the most punchable face
Brandon Strader It was performance capture, not voice acting!!! 🤬
Even his actor agrees
2:56
When your mom leaves you alone in the line and the cashier says *NEXT*
My boy.. I didnt have a choice..
You left me
That sucks
@Hemisphere’s Upright i had to take a shit
@@Dayyaanboy All of you....take your grocieries now
The scene where John arrives had me on the edge of my seat, incredible how a game can make you feel so many emotions as if I were the one betrayed
Absolutely! This game is a work of art. A true masterpiece!
We were betrayed Fuck Micah
500th like!
And those who played RDR 1 would have massive goosebumps when they hear those magic words...
“You ready John?” Is such a hype moment when these two protagonists team up for the first time
First time? They have a lot of missions together
I think you meant “for the last time”
@@EllieWilliams2056 gah dangit my feels
@@fibrousone-seededdrupe7568 “Get the hell outta here and be a goddamn man”
@@EllieWilliams2056 pain
Omg just seeing Arthur team up with John is the best
Edit: look how fast Arthur peeks at Ms grimshaw when she comes out with her gun I noticed that and was like wow
M Velez yeah its really dope but it suck that they more believe in micah
It wasn't that bill n escuella saw dutch as their father n Couldn't betray him they loved him its like you leaving your own dad.
What is the name of the song when Arthur pulls up his gun? asap
It's funny too because in the beginning of the game Arthur didnt care about john but seeing that relationship develop throughout the game was amazing
BlazingJalapeno ik, what you think of the ending?
Arthur is such a good character, I’m so sad to see him die
Jk lol hehe xd
Tuberculose is a cancer for good people who wished to live longer.
@@TheREALHugo4 Tuberculosis makes people die slower, and dying slow is horrible. You cough up blood until you die, does it still sound better than cancer?
@@quarantinedcringelevelstoo6187 It sounds worse.
You can take antibiotics for TB thought, it can be cured.
I’ve seen cancer in person and it’s far worse. The medication you take for cancer(cemo) makes you really sick.
2:41 Ya gotta appreciate how badass it is that Arthur still draws his gun the fastest on his dying day
The real reason Javier didn’t point his gun was because the voice actor who mentioned in a panel was told to aim it at Arthur to which he replied that he couldn’t, he was his brother and said if he could change one thing about the game that it would be having Javier stand with Arthur
zov but sadly that would be impossible cuz of RDR1 :( RDR1 made things in RDR2 that couldn’t be avoided
Wesker JHG yeah ): sadly i killed him not knowing this was gonna happen
zov I actually beat RDR1 twice so first run I killed him but I played it again cuz of RDR2 and I spared him to Ross
@@Berserk_96 Maybe it was a way to get Javier to side with Arthur against Dutch and then he decides to bail when John needs his help and it would have made sense in the first game when John told him that he left him to die to save his own skin
Would’ve made this scene 100 times better
Dutch ruined his own gang ...
He went looney booney and left both arthur and john to die...
It started the moment Micah joined and escalated to its zenith when Hosea died.
@@azazel166 I'd say it started when they got off that island.
@@therealjesus1317 It is mentioned that during the Blackwater job, Dutch abruptly killed a woman(while the robbery was going smoothly), and the whole gang was being rather tensed up about that.
And in the Journal it is said that Micah had a hand in planning the robbery.
@@azazel166 Oh.
We needed Hosea Alive here :’(
Dutch was already slowly falling into madness but it was the moment Hosea died that he reached the point of no return.
Ye say if they killed someone else instead of Hosea and then in this scene Hosea finally sides against Dutch would have been chilling
Maître Obi-Wan Kenobi yes and Dutch watching Arthur slowly deteriorate knowing he’d most likely die of sickness was a factor aswell I think
Maître Obi-Wan Kenobi pretty sure Hosea had TB or Bronchitis which was a big deal back then. There’s times at camp where he can’t stop coughing at Clements point and at horseshoe overlook too maybe twice. At one point he couldn’t stop coughing in Clemens point and Lenny told him to sit down and Hosea talked about death and how he’s not doing well. Then Lenny and Hosea have a conversation at some point in the midst of chapter 3 and Lenny talks about if Hosea is scared of death. I think his time was coming to an end.
And because he hit his head and micah's manipulation
It’s genuinely depressing to see just how far the Van-Der Linde gang fell, the only people who didn’t abandon it or die were aiming guns at eachother
You know.. RDR1 made Javier and Bill seem like the worst possible people to know. But in truth, they were just scared. They didn’t even have anything to do with leaving John to die. It was all Dutch. The only thing Bill and Javier really did was side with Dutch and Micah instead of Arthur and John because they were scared.
FlymanMS you know.. I’m still wondering how and why Bill and Javier left Dutch and Micah. John talked about it like those two left as soon as Dutch went crazy. But as we saw, they kinda just stuck right by Dutch
@Berzerk Llama yeah but they still were absent in the epilogue so their loyalty was either temporary to survive the current situation or they had a falling out
@@quiet3455 If you buy a newspaper when you get to Saint Denis with Uncle, it says Javier returns to Mexico in 1907, so pretty much four years before RDR
I can see it from a different perspective. Seeing as how both Arthur and John come back to camp with Pinkerton following them Javier and Bill can be blinded by their loyalty to Dutch by thinking that both John and Arthur ratted on them upon the return which is why they took so long. Dutch is between a rock and a hard place having so many heists go wrong, so many people dead, and the fact that his long time companions are slipping away in his mind makes him turn away from his original vision and side with the real rat until it's too late.
Steven Yim sir I disagree solely for one reason, Dutch could’ve been listened to Arthur, Hosea even told him he was doing wrong. If a man that I’ve been friends with for 20 years says he needs to be out the gang, if a man who had my back for 20 years said 6 months ain’t enough to trust Micah. Then I’m not listening to Micah, Dutch listened to Micah and kept thinking about money when Arthur and Hosea both said that some of the jobs weren’t gonna work and they was making too many enemy’s. Dutch doesn’t get sympathy, hell he left John and Arthur to die.
“Dutch!"
"John?"
"You left me! You left me to die!”
*guitar strum*
“Dutch!”
“Sean?”
“You left me! You left me in Rhodes!”
*guitar strum*
“Dutch!”
“Lenny?”
“You left me! You left me at the Bank!”
*guitar strum*
“Dutch!”
“Colm?”
“You left me! You left me to hang!”
*guitar strum*
"Stop it! All of of you, you're ruining my *fucking* yoga!"
“Did somebody say ‘yoga’?”
“...Trevor?”
"Dutch..."
Joe A. This should be a YTP
Joe A. two dads
what is this a crossover episode?
grand theft redemption
"Dutch!!"
"Kieran?"
"You left me on a horse with my head cut off!"
"This is getting ridiculous now"
Joe A. underrated commet
2:40 Damn. Arthur is so cold with that pistol. Notice how his draw is so much quicker than everyone else in this scene. AND he’s in the late stages of his sickness, but yet he drew on Micah faster than grease lighting. Unfortunately, we never get to see the abilities of the Callander boys, but Arthur was the best gun Dutch ever had as far as I can tell.
And what is so annoying to me is the fact that if Micah got his revolver up first, he would’ve most certainly shot Arthur. And I just have a hard time believing that if Arthur shot Micah at any point in the game that Dutch would’ve tried to kill Arthur, regardless of how annoyed he got with him and John. Because at the end of the day, Micah isn’t family to Dutch. Just another gun. For example, you never hear Dutch call Micah “son” at any point in the game. He even calls John son, even though he fucks him over so many times. And if you disagree with that point, I’ll just say this: you can still love someone and misuse them. But anyway, back to the Micah thing.. Every time I see this part, I just scream into the tv: JUST SHOOT THE BASTARD ARTHUR.
Arthur wouldn't shoot micah. He probably thought that dutch would believe him.
If Arthur shot Micah there then Arthur would have died too
Django9835 Arthur was going to die regardless.
@@SIRtrizzytreyofcameltoe well, if Arthur shot Micah, Joe and Cleet would've shot Arthur.
They said one of the callandar boys was a brawler
Imagine that hosea, lenny, sadie, charles and sean were there, they would side with arthur
Micah solos all those mfs
I forgot, where was Charles?
@@OwenTheFreakingGoat he was helping rains fall in wapiti
@@Redanka_05 ok
Karen, Uncle, Tilly, Abigail ,the Ex-odriscoll
Dutch’s side: Micah, Dutch Bill, Javier, cleat, and Joe
Arthur’s side: Arthur, John, Uncle, Lenny, Hosea Sadie, Charles, Pearson, Karen, the Indians, Sean, Susan, Molly, and That military captain
Unknown Gamer good
And Kieran for sure
They would kill him
@@rewardunkind4541 he saved Arthur's life, at least he would have been of so much help
иatiaaaroи ok
Javier was the most neutral character in the gang, he didn’t really side with anyone before this
Even here he barley moved and didn't point his gun at anyone
Secret ending
You mean the guy that was keep saying to john Arthur and charles why they lost their faith to dutch and was keep saying to them to try harder and then he left john to die on the train
That guy was clearly with Dutchs side
Solid Paras Makes sense why Javier acted like that towards Arthur, John and Charles.He was probably just trying to keep the group together especially when it’s already a really hard time as it is.And I believe John was knocked out when he fell off the train and Dutch and/or Micah told Bill and Javier he’s dead, hence why Bill’s surprised and Javier confused.
He betrayed Arthur tho in a conversation with micah
Dutch knew arthur wasnt lying, but he chose to rebel because he left marston behind
niall carroll but there was another ending where Dutch and micha go up in to the mountains why would Dutch go with him up there if he knew he was a lier
@@cdc8699 but Dutch shoots him..
•Rain City• because his plan was to kill Micah all along
niall carroll it doesn’t makes sense, he stayed with micah like 6 years and then John talked to dutch like 5 sentences and out of nowwhere he kills micah like why did he didn’t do that before
@@johnmarston6479 he did not stay with Micah I think. When John asked him what he's doing there with Micah,Micah said that they are reuniting once more and they got money and want John to join them.
2:39 Micah reaches for his gun, Arthur pulls onto his in the a tenth of a second upon seeing this. He wasn't even healthy or in his prime here and he was able to do this. Man, he would've killed everyone else there with somewhat ease if he was in his prime.
Also that probably makes him faster than RDR2 / RDR1 (before training) John
Facts
In seconds? More like in tenth of a second lol
@@Makchete thank you, now it's better worded
@@flufferusgoobus 🤠👍
He was definitely faster than John at that point or the Epilogue, but John by the time of Red Dead Redemption 1 is a motherfucking beast who doesn't take shit from Landon Ricketts and singlehandedly won a revolution. They were likely evenly skilled if John wasn't even more skilled at that point.
I loved it when Arthur said "all of you pick your sides now, because this is over now"
MrTossFTL it all makes sense now!
Do I know you?
@@XenoZbornak You Do
But You Don't Remember Me
@@The_StrangeMan damn you!!!!!!!
@@leonardodavinci3774 Many People Have
Many People
*Walks Away*
The really sad part about all this is that Arthur, even after everything thats gone down, still goes back to warn Dutch. He was truly loyal till the end, and even though you can see in Dutch's eyes that he believes Arthur, he's too far gone to come back from it. Such a great story, better than most movies nowadays, and really captures the feeling of trying to hold on to something thats already lost. In this instance it was the freedom that these outlaws had throughout the years that was slowly being ripped out from under them because of the industrialization of the country. Damn.....
That too when he said I gave you everything I had I started crying like a bitch then
It's a good discussion started. As you said. Dutch KNEW Arthur was right. He knew Micah was the rat and yet was so blinded and gone. He couldn't back out now. At this point, the men who called "Sons" were rats and needed to be dealt with. When in reality the man who was really the rat. Was right by his side. Dutch was not one to ask for forgiveness. So in the act of chasing Arthur and John. He was already too far gone.
It's a good discussion started. As you said. Dutch KNEW Arthur was right. He knew Micah was the rat and yet was so blinded and gone. He couldn't back out now. At this point, the men who called "Sons" were rats and needed to be dealt with. When in reality the man who was really the rat. Was right by his side. Dutch was not one to ask for forgiveness. So in the act of chasing Arthur and John. He was already too far gone.
This game made me despise Dutch we knew Micah was a snake but for Dutch to just fall for it Dutch destroyed the gang all on his own
I would play twice the amount of normal ticket price to see a Red Dead Redemption movie
2:40
Arthur's draw is so much faster than Micah's.
How do you know if you don’t see Micah lift his gun
@@starrigby5994 You can see Micah reach for his revolver. Then, Arthur draws his own revolver much faster than Micah. It's obvious.
Not so much faster,but faster,not bad,since micah isnt a bad gunslinger
You don't see it. And Micah also draws two guns at the same time, not just one.
@ْ Yeah, But Cleet and Joe would've shot Arthur
The bit where everyone slowly walks over to their side in the end with John and Arthur being the only ones left whilst Arthur tries too convince Bill and Javier is really heartbreaking
Don't know if you'll comment again but Javier was really on Arthur's side, but he was still loyal to dutch. He never shot or pointed a gun at arthur, he just held it above his head.
Javier was conflicted.
If it brings you some consolation you should know John Marston eventually killed every last one of the men present in that shot one by one. Avenging Arthur in the process
@@uncle_3763Look at Javier here 4:09
What's sad is that many people would have done what Javier would have done in this scenario by hesitatingly lower the gun or aim the gun in the air. You're going to trust the person you knew longer but still wouldn't want to fight people you're close with.
Love how Arthur is aiming at dutch and micah but never at bill or javier
But Bill IS aiming at him, Javier isn't
bill seems like he is secretly jealous of arthur
@@rinzler1801 nah bills just dumb as rocks. There is a random encounter in Lakay in which arthur gets raped if he trusts the stranger and after bill finds out and makes fun of arthur
@@0subsWith0vidsChallenge Actually, I just think that Bill thought Arthur was actually gay and maybe was even excited because he could have finally found someone to be open with his own homosexuality with without fear of being ridiculed or mocked. Now, I know that it was never confirmed whether Bill is actually gay or not but there are many details that point to the fact that he is gay. In a random encounter, Bill asks Arthur to get him hair pomade, to which the two of them were both awkward about it. Usage of Hair pomade back then was considered far too feminine for a man and was used as a lubricant for homosexual activities. This could explain as to why Arthur tells Bill to never mention it again, which is the first time we see him do this is those random fetch favors. Another this that points to Bill being gay is how he is around Kieran. Flustered, strange, a touch too friendly. He also mentions how upset he was that Kieran was killed. Pretty gay to me. Also, we've never see him have any sort of connection with the women of the camp. The rapist is Lakay would probably not tell Bill that he raped Arthur and would lie and tell Bill that they had a great time. Bill, probably maybe being gay, would without a doubt be excited because there was finally someone within the camp that is also homosexual. Perhaps so the two can do their respective activities or just talk about it like to gay bros do. And also, when Arthur tells him to screw off, Bill puts his hands up and is fine with being told off because he too understands the embarrassment and shame of being a gay man in the late 1800s. I don't think Bill was being an intentional dick, he just didn't know and thought he found a gay homie to gush about man booty with.
@@sarahalzubaidi7794 who knows. Tbf there were a lot of characters that did not try to get with the females
Found it poignant that Susan died in the same spot Molly did.
Karma i guess.
I reckon Micah shot her because he knew that out of anyone she'd probably be the first to pull the trigger, seeing as how quickly she decided to kill Molly after she falsely confessed to being the betrayer.
@@jamesmcdonald2244 Susan's a thug.
James McDonald Micah shot her because she looked away for a second I think.
Bryan Wheelock That's why he did it...
Dutch : " If you're not with me, then you're my enemy ".
Me: *" Only a sith deals in absolutes "*
Hemisphere’s Upright General Kenobi
@@Kirokill1 *YOUR MOVE*
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@@queenmegawatis5486 *GODDAMNIT MOVE* Ignites lightsaber
@@queenmegawatis5486 Then you're the sith lord.
4:13 “you ready John” is so impactful.
It sucks because Arthur is not siding against Dutch, he's siding with John, but because Dutch left John for dead, John is siding against Dutch. It's really interesting to look at how each side panned out, Arthur couldn't side with Dutch over John so the creep Micah does
Dutch also left Arthur for dead aswell
@@4DXTProductionsTrue, but Arthur went back to camp to prove to Dutch that Micah was the traitor not to side against him
The truth will set Dutch free
Dutch sided with Micah more than he did anyone in the gang.
-Broke Micah out of Jail
-left Arthur for dead
-left John for dead
-told Arthur not to rescue Abigail
If anything, Dutch was the real snake. It baffled me why Arthur continued to side with him afterwards and didn’t shoot micah after he shot susan. Arthur went out caring about others more than he did himself. That led to his demise.
Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and told him not to save John form the prison
2:41 I really love how the music comes in like that.
YESSS it's so perfect for a tense stand-off moment
Stelios_The_Lawbringer I know right
It's like the moment you remember, oh yeah, this is a western. Shootout time.
John : you left me to die
Dutch : my boy that was the part of the plan
*Just have some god damn faith*
@@Desmond-xp4wr WE NEED MORE MONEY, JOHN
XD
@Trilla Suduri the same way he did when he left Arthur ?
@Trilla Suduri he wasn't a traitor until rdr1
I like how Micah says to Dutch “ be practical now” appealing to a materialistic and numerical mindset about time, money, and supplies. While Arthur says “Think” appealing to reason, logic, and the emotional side of Dutch.
Micah shoots ms grimshaw NoW Who IS bEtRAyiNG mE ?
halo gamer420 At that point, Dutch would have found some way to rationalize it. Just like he did with every other questionable decision
lmao im fucking dead, bruh.....thats soo hilarious.....its like ...really dutch really...
Ben Wasserman "it's alright Arthur, that boi starved when we were in Guarma, only to have a bunch of PINKERTONS poison his mind, hell any man in that situation would do that. I'd even wager you might have, had it been you they grabbed, son"
He betrayed his own gang, own people.
Even arthur, he left him to die, same as John, he is just a fool, and Micah noticed that and used for his own
The stupid thing is this that arthur was with dutch X YEARS and micah .. just for few months
@Starscream91 No. They came back after the most important people in the group have just died.
When your drunk, you're considered that everything you say is truth and she's not the most evil rather she's the most strict, the only person that keeps order in the camp
After she knew she fucked up, she wanted to undo it by helping to take out the real snake.
R.I.P Susan Grimshaw
I dont care what anyone says but Javier isnt bad. You can see that he doesnt even aim his gun. He was just confused and afraid of the situation
play it at 0.25 and just after it cuts to arthur then back to the gang you will be disappointed brother
Javier was bad enough to deserve his fate in rdr1, he knew Arthur and still betrayed him for Dutch and Micah, fuck him lmao
attack master In rdr1 though John did say that after the gang disbanded Javier went insane cuz the gang was the only true thing to him and it made him crazy when everyone left
@@brandonhasting424 that makes more sense
@@brandonhasting424 true
Poor Javier, he wasn't even aiming at Arthur and John. Shows that he just wanted everyone to get along.
Yeah I just noticed he was aiming up
@@fepic7943 It must've been really confusing for him, they were all brothers.
@@PkNess97 yeah you can tell by camp conversation that he just wanted everyone to be loyal and on the same page
He was aiming on both of them. Play it at lowest speed and you’ll see 4:09
@@warabi-mvh967 the hell are you saying? It was a flinch reaction.
The tone Micah says "That's a god damn lie" shows me he is thinking "so what if I did? Who's gonna believe you"
Amazing how rockstar made Micah one of the most hated fictional characters
Im playing my 3rd playthrough and left his ass to rot in that cell as long as I could
@@josiahgonzalez942 same situation right now 😂😂 but how must we progress the story again?
It would require New Vegas level choice and branching storylines, and given how detailed the world is I get why they didnt do that and stuck to one story line, but that would be the one thing that would have sealed RDR2 as the best game ever imo.
Given total freedom like that I wouldnt have confronted Micah openly the way Arthur did, I know there was limited time since the Pinkertons were hot on your heels, but personally Id have keep my cards close, and just gone straight up behind him and took him out, plus his two buddys who would hostile immediately.
Dutch may not have been pleased but I think once it was done, thered have been no time to discuss it. Especially since the Pinkies turned up right after.
Better to ask forgiveness than permision.
@@stevepalpatine2828
"New Vegas level choice and branching storylines"
Where the NCR gets a dam
Or the Legion gets a dam.
Or House gets a dam.
Or yes-man gets a dam.
Wowee.
@@a_loyal_kiwi88 And how many different missions and ways of completing them are there up to then?
Any game is going to have to end so nearly all paths narrow down at the final missions. How new are you?
When you realize that literally every gang member who died would’ve sided with Arthur.
Sean
Kieran
Hosea
Lenny
Probably Mac and Davey ( despite never seeing them it seemed Arthur and them were very close )
I think everyone not in this scene would’ve sided with John and Arthur the women and uncle
@@theyoungwolf9852 i am not so sure if the dozens of civillians i killed would pick arthur
I dont think sean but yeah
True. But if Hosea didn’t die they wouldn’t have been in that situation at all
@@jaimelannister1797 Which is why Micah set Hosea up to be captured and killed. Micah was the proverbial "devil" on Dutch's shoulder, while Hosea was the "angel" on his shoulder, Hosea kept Dutch at least mostly sane, and Micah was dragging him further into madness....and that's precisely why Micah wanted Hosea gone.
Dutch:" I was gonna say you're like a son to me... But you're more than that"
Also Dutch: *Leaves him to die all alone*
That was before Dutch went completely off the edge.
Literally
(ba-dum-tss)
This is a dead account. Fuck you, normies. Yeah, that hit he took on the trolley, Hosea dying, and cooking under the sun on guarma all contributed to his madness
The_SCP _Foundation no it didn’t. It all started in blackwater when he killed the little girl, it’s kinda obvious. Before guarma and the Saint denis failed heist you see Dutch slowly making dumber decisions and siding with Micah more.
4:06 that would have been a perfect moment for arthur to use dead eye.
It looks like he’s in dead eye cuz of the yellow haha
Natsuki even though arthur is almost like a superhuman as gunslinger i don’t think he could kill all of them withouth cover and being in front, i think he could kill at least 2 or 3 of them but not sure if all
@@quuuuro Looks like he was, as when in dead eye he moves his gun and aims before shooting
In gameplay, this is him moving his gun putting markers on everyone,it looks like he was doing that but then the Pinkertons came
@@professionalgamer6522 god i love this game
if both john and arthur used deadeye they would’ve wiped everyone out
The way Javier struggles to aim at Arthur speaks a thousand words about their brotherhood
Javier hated Micah. He wasn’t betraying Arthur, he was just loyal to Dutch
Same with bill. He seemed confused and it took some time to aim his gun at them
Do I see wrong tho or who is he aiming at on 3:52?
In which case if who he aims at, it overall shows that he was struggling!
@@ryudameron4179I think that's Joe.
@@ryudameron4179That wasn't Javier.
'*Micah shoots Miss Grimshaw as she screams in pain and dies*
Dutch: "Y'all hear sum'n?"
Jenna Denjern it’s part of his plan
Hmm...must have just been the wind
2:38 can we appreciate how swift Arthur's response is to Micah drawing his gun?
dude i never even realized that micah was going to draw first.
that scene is🥶🥶🥶
@@samusaran13372 yeah but Arthur was still way quicker lol, a true badass
@@samusaran13372 going to😂😂 Arthur was a beast
@@lukescott6808 Hahaha literally man. "Going to", lol, I didnt realize how funny that wording was.
0:27 listen to the two sentences he says. After he's done. Immediatly skip to 1:22
Lol that could become a meme
Blue civic si No it’s actually 1:22 because the gun went off perfectly. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@Blue civic si you did comment first so you should fuck off.
Your like micah😂
@Blue civic si hoes madddddd
I think blue civics comment was more of an exaggerated joke
I came back to realize that Micah drew both revolvers from his holster as he was trying to convince Dutch to side with him, I noticed he only pointed one at Arthur, that made me realize that if Dutch had sided with Arthur, Micah would’ve shot Dutch in a heartbeat like he did to Susan, I believe Dutch also noticed this and wasn’t taking any chances hence siding with Micah
You people have incredible observation skills
One thing to keep in mind however is that once Dutch drew his guns and started walking Micah was aiming both of his at Arthur and John, If Dutch truly would have sided with Micah he would have shot him then and there with the clear shot. Then again he probably took Cletus and Joe into consideration since they would go against anybody Micah went against
@@paulgrundy6864who tf is Cletus and jor
ACTUALLY...dutch said "who is on my side"? and with that, micah was the one who slowly walked to dutch's side while aiming at arthur, making arthur look like the traitor. that was a really smart move
@@mylameusername1890 The two guys Micah brought into the gang
Joe is the messed up guy you kill on mount hagan after saying,” just you left is it?”
Cletus is the scrawny one that gets hanged or shot by Sadie
2:55 When you forget to pick up your little brother after school. 🤣
Oh this happened to me, except I was the little brother
😂😂😂😂😂
@@prometheus7285 lol
You speaking from experience friend?
Once my parents forgot to pick me up in school so I had to walk back home for the first time ever lmao
**hosea walks into the middle of all the action**
“Hello fellers”
**walks away from dead bodies with Arthur and John**
I'd love to see that happen!
R.I.P. Hosea, he was a good man
what about the whiskey bottles
wtf?
More like:
Hosea: hello fellas
The fellas: quickly put their guns away and start preparing dinner like nothing happened
I think it would go like:
Hosea: Hey fellers *sides with Arthur*
Dutch: *realising this, shoots Micah*
Javier and Bill: *shoots Cleet and Joe*
What a storyline, they kind of developed a student and teacher in a way with Morgan and Marston. It all makes sense now why John did what he did in the first game this scene revealed it all.
Amen.
That's cray
Marston went after his old gang because his family was taken, not because he was betrayed. Otherwise he wouldn't be living at home as a family man, whereas he would've been chasing them for a long time. Although it does contribute a bit, but it was mostly for his family. John did however go kill Micah to avenge Arthur with Sadie and Charles.
Za Storm also this game makes John's death even more impactful in my eyes. Arthur used his last moments on Earth to help him escape in the hopes of John getting out of the life. only to have Ross drag him back in to hunt down the old gang members and then shoot you down with a firing squad.
@@SerpentSupremacy RDR1 happened because of Micah's death
I remember playing Red Dead Redemption when it first came out. One of my top 5 favorite games of all time. Replayed a dozen times. I, and many others, waited almost 10 years to see this John/Dutch interaction at 2:50 Chills. Absolute chills. What a story
I remember playing the first one, Red Dead Revolver, when it came out on the PS2. Was the first M rated game I ever bought lol. It was so much fun, then RDR came out and blew it outta the water
I died laughing when Micah said “he’s lying...HES LYYYYINGGGG”
4:03
me as an imposter on amogus and someone susses me
That boy sus I tell you Dutch.
I'm pretty sure he says this because he was legitimately fearful that people would not trust him in the end.
he almost hisses the words
I like how Micah just shoots Grimshaw and no one does anything about it 😂 like I wish I could’ve unloaded my revolver in him at that point smh
@The Dank Meme Mastah Uncle has Lumbago how dare you.
The Dank Meme Mastah The only sour old hag here is you.
Matthew Adams I’m pretty sure if anyone moved an inch, Micah would’ve shot them
Oxenfree Alex how?
Matthew Adams yeh nobody gave a fuck bout dat like wut, y’all did see him shoot her right?
Bill's actually a tragic character,in my eyes. Throughout red dead redemption 2 it seems he always longing for acceptance from the rest of the gang rather of just being tolerated because he was good at being a killer. Perhaps if John or Arthur had been more sympathetic and kind to Bill he may of sided with them in this confrontation. I also think Javier would've followed Bill as we see in the epilogue neither Bill or Javier sticks with Dutch or Micah rather going there own path. It really would of been interesting to see how that would've played out as Dutch and Micah would've been outnumbered
No, it wouldve been a 4 to 4
Arthur, John, Javier and Bill
Dutch, Micah, Cleet and Joe
@@ulloa07 I think we all know who would’ve won still
I'd go further and say if Arthur had been a bit more accepting of Micah early on things might have been different. I'm noticing lately the overtures Micah made to Arthur early in the game, he says things like "we're brothers and we need to look after each other" and Arthur always dismisses him because he doesn't trust him. Maybe Arthur was right to do so, or maybe Micah might have been a different character had he felt Arthur cared about him? Who knows? That's just great writing, Hollywood should take note.
@@anon17472 Micah treated Arthur nicely early in the game because he was afraid of him; he knew that Arthur could literally obliterate him if he wanted to. Notice how Micah only started being mean to Arthur soon after TB started weakening him.
@@bydlakbolszewik847 maybe so, but by that point Arthur had made it clear they weren't going to be friends. As I said - good writing
Once that guitar riff hits when Micah and Arthur draw, I smile. The soundtrack for this game just adds so much more to an already great game
Music adds so much to a scene, and this is a prime example
Milton was so much more charismatic then Ross
Meh. Milton just seemed like a typical moustache twirling villain
Mando Garcia Not really... a moustache twirling villain is someone who’s evil just to be evil but Milton’s character is all about believing in the law and the civilised world. You can see that in his character whilst he’s hunting the gang
There both assholes
@@marj9902 That's why Ross is a better character. Milton is just your normal Pinkerton douchebag, while Ross has a much more complex view of the world. Ross thinks of himself as no better than John Marston and actually acknowledges how much of an asshole he is.
One could say Ross is the actual representation of the justice system.
Ross was way more charismatic in the first game
I hate Micah but that "Black lung, you're back. Greeaat." is a hell of a line delivery
i despise Micah, but Peter is a hell of an actor. that "hooray" is delivered perfectly
Early on in the game i loved dutch, he is such a charismatic character and very well written but towards the end i realises dutch doesnt care about loyalty, just your loyalty to him. Loyalty doesnt go both ways in Dutch’s book
Well put
He only cared about the people being loyal to him not to each other. IMO thats also the reason, why micah was able to influence dutch in the first place
If you played the first game you’d know the gang was going to split up and Dutch was the antagonist
nah he just cares about money and his fantasies
Arthur’s side:
Lenny
Hosea
Charles
Sadie
John
Javier (if he knew what was going on instead of just running in at the end he’d join Arthur’s side)
The woman with the shotgun who’s name I forgot
Micahs side:
Bill
His cowboy friends
Maybe Davey and Mac
Undecided:
Dutch
Sean
If Dutch saw hosea on Arthur’s side I believe he would go on Arthur’s side
Sean would just follow dutch
If hosea were alive then there wouldn't have been any sides
@@angel_fruit4197 your right
@@angel_fruit4197 there would, dutch's mental decline was always destined to happen. But it would have probably been after Arthur's death
@@woadie5118he also seemed to have a heart, and enjoyed being a part of the family over being an outlaw. I think if hed survived, he'd rather be with the people that care about each other than in it for the money.
@@angel_fruit4197No, there would be. Dutch stopped listening to Hosea a while back. Hosea might be the leader of the draw instead of Dutch in which Arthur and John would side with him.
I love how John came and knew Dutch left him to die in the robbery, it destroyed the relationship he once had with Dutch and is just so damn well executed. In RDR 1 we just heard it from Martson himself but actually witnessing it just makes it more heartbreaking. It can be said for the whole story but even though we knew what was coming it didn't make it any easier when we got there. The tale of the gang's downfall and Marston's redemption is honestly my favorite western story.
Dutch also left arthur if not for eagle flies he's dead
@@forestlink6673Eagle Flies story is tragic because he sacrifices himself for an already dying man when he more life potential
Man if u think about it Bill and Javier arent bad guys they actully respected Aurthur i think they went with Dutch is because they were afraid of him
ı dont know about javier but bill... Bill Williamson was born in 1866. At some point, Bill joined the military before being dishonorably discharged for deviancy and attempted murder in 1892, after which he joined the Van der Linde gang in 1894. During his time in the gang, Williamson, along with Dutch and Javier, seemed to have had a casual sexual relationship with Abigail Marston. In 1906, a botched bank robbery leaves Marston wounded and disillusioned from wiki
@@efeabiismimisoylemessensev2027 i got this from wiki Bill Williamson joined Dutch in 1878 along with John Marston Arthur Morgan Javier Esculla And Hosea Mattews they were the first people in Dutchs gang
Efe Abi İsmimi Söylemessen Sevinirim well of course they were having sex with Abigail. She was a whore. And from the looks and sounds of things, they stopped when John and Abigail started a relationship. And Dutch was the one that left John on that Train robbery. You see and hear that in the game.
Dutch Van der lin they Javier was with Dutch when they left John bill just wasn’t right in the mind
@@GREATBAMSKY Yes but Javier did care for John like a brother but John did say in the first game that Javier would follow Dutch no matter what because he was the most loyol to Dutch and when Dutch went crazy Javier took it the worst and eventully went crazy himself its very sad when u think about it
If Sean, Lenny, Hosea, and Charles, were there they would have sided with Arthur
I dont think none of this would have happened if hosea lived
@@iluvpost-hardcore4204 Agreed.
And Kieran
I can agree with Lenny, Hosea, Kieran, and Charles, but Sean, I’m a bit skeptical of.
Sadie would've sided with Arthur, John, Arthur, and Susan as well
”All them years dutch… for this Snake!” Goosebumps every time
3:20 Arthur's voice sounds mighty and powerful! MAN!
remember when he got annoyed by milton? '' this fella is really startin to irriTATE MEEE
wassup conor
4:06 Javier didn't even want to point his gun to Arthur and John
Yea :C
Damn the amount of detail
Thank you i would overlook that a thousan times
As for bill. Well I guess he never liked them 😂
play the speed at 0.25 after the camera goes back to arthur and you'll see javier pointing his gun
Ahhh seeing John Marston not dead brings tears to my eyes. I love that guy from the 1st game
True, this game was so good. And it made the first red dead even better because this gives a reason for John going after his ex gang members. Now all rockstar gotta do is make a game about Jack, and I can die a happy man.
@@unknowngaming4781 I want a game about Arthurs son maybe Arthurs son didn't die. Or that they add another ending were Arthur survived and got cured and starts hunting down Dutch before John does but he fails and returns to Mary and there he meets a new villain.
@@unknowngaming4781 that most likely going be a trilogy jack haunted down by federal government after killing ross
@@unknowngaming4781 Game about Jack wouldn't be so good (if you want western, I do) because when he lived wild west was at its end.
I'd like a red dead about young Arthur, there's 20 years of story they could do prior to rdr2 which would show Dutch as Arthurs father figure making the rdr2 storyline even worse. We could find out what happened in blackwater with the woman and why the ferry was so quickly overun by pinkertons
anyone realise how during the standoff javier didn't aim his gun at arthur and instead in the air
if you pause at exactly the moment when the camera switches from Arthur and John (when the agent yells "put your guns down"), you will see that Javier is aiming at them too
Javier's voice actor said he thought Javier would still see Arthur and Dutch as family. Like in the first RDR he runs instead of shooting at you like bill does, so he asked to have Javier not point his gun at John and Arthur
@@cb-9938 yeah, i saw this panel with cast. But technically, in that shot, he's pointing a gun at Arthur. I wish it wasn't like that either
@@hohlinka7944 lol ok holinka
Javier wasnt there before the whole standoff. If he was, he'll side woth arthur for sure. He's his boy..
Javier doesnt aim on them. Good boy
He does actually, but Very slowly And doesn't REALLY points at them
@@sulkii9437 he also was like shaking a little like he didn't want to
@@marcom667 Wait, really? Holy fuck
Sulkii it makes me so sad because he did this Because “loyalty of dutch” even tho we all know Dutch is one some crack and that crack is called les try kill my sons but still so javiers mind is basically breaking and it hurts to think he has to go through that 😭
You're all wrong, is not "GoOd bOy" is good boah
I like how dutch belives the guy whos been hanging around with the gang for about 6 months while not believing the one whos been there for years, but then again at the end it didnt matter anyway.
Saren Linetech incorrect. He didn’t have a choice. He knew Arthur was right but John has sided with Arthur n started exposing dutch, so Dutch couldn’t wid Arthur due to John. Therefore he sided with Micah instead to avoid the consequences
Not to mention the ones he raised, the old guard, Seriously the original gang was Dutch, Hosea, John and Arthur - the big four.
Arthur drew faster than Micah and the rat was the first to move for it.
I love Micah's voice actor. The way he extends certain words is pretty funny. And Micah is such a good antagonist. Makes me wonder what rdr2 wouldn't been like if Micah replaced Colm and played a bigger part.
I find him as a rodentus better. :)
2:34 Me when i realise someone lie to me
I’m Breathtaking why am I laughing at this 😂
This is so forced and unfunny
@@quagmire4469 right? He literally just copy & pasted the entire context of the scene and added nothing too it.
Lol that's funny
Do you know sentence structure?
I had a bad feeling about micah throughout the story.
Hated Micah. Should have left him in jail watch him get hanged
@@jzip right? haha. dude is the worst!
I knew he was going to talk after he told Swanson that he likes stapping friends in the back.
I knew he was a rat at the beginning along with Dutch. The way they were acting and saying certain things lead me to believe so. I ran across and heard about people that do that became rats. I’ve never liked Micah at the start when chasing ms Adler around the cabin. Fuckin idiot
I thought that he was going to be one of those likeable assholes but I was so wrong
During that cutscene, I had my controller down, but at 2:40, when Arthur drew his gun, I immediately grabbed it fast. I laughed at myself after that. Just sharing
Patrick Calanog Cringey but funny think i put my finger on the trigger button to
Patrick Calanog Lmao truss me
Tunesquad Yeah, you right.
facts
I was too ocuppied crying like a fucking child.
Love rewatching this encounter for Javier's perspective. He really was holding his gun up in the air. Not at John, not at Arthur.
At 4:09 he’s aiming at Arthur
He did point the gun
He did it in the end
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uI thought Javier pointed it in the air but I realized he was actually gonna shoot Arthur
if you look carefully you will see that javier didn't point on arthur and john with his gun he only raised his gun to the sky
@Jax S i think he was just confused at that moment, he just did what the majority of the gang did
he doenst hate Arthur. Javier is cleare convused with the situation that the gang is/was (sorry for my english, i am brazilian)
@Jax S no he didnt...
4:09 x0,25
Look Javier and enjoy
Gabriel Sloyer (Javier's actor) has to fight for that because he felt the same way about Javier liking Arthur despite the feud that's been going on.
3:01 i find it interesting that in rdr1 in a dialogue between Dutch and John John says "i dont have a choice" and Dutch repliea with "we always have a choice, you are just too blind to see"
Tbh, Arthur died to secure John and his family their future.
To live a normal life.
But Abigail and John dead anyway, and jack became an outlaw.
RDR1's ending makes this ending even more tragic.
Arthur dead for nothing...
NUTCool You could argue that John also died for nothing, as Jack became an outlaw after he got revenge on Ross.
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I believe they got a few years together, living relatively peacefully, before RDR1 starts though. So I wouldn't say it was for nothing.
NUTCool well Arthur was gonna die anyways
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Jack becomes an author and lives to like the 70's. Plus he got to kill that twat Ross. So none of it was for nothing.
The small details that the pinkertons are watching them from the woods 2:08
Can't be. Must be Javier looking out
Dutch went off the deep end and descended more into paranoia and violence after he watched Hosea die. Micah encouraging him further is what ended the gang in the end
It happened even before that. Dutch kept saying “one last score” over and over, yet it would never be enough. His meddling with the Grays and Braithwhites was just stupid and needlessly dangerous.
1:54 black lung, your back. hooray.
Notice how Javier is the only one not pointing his gun at Arthur and John. In the end Javier just wanted to stay loyal and probably was just conflicted with his moral compass rather than choosing a side. Which makes sense, because they all got along and cared for each other and in Red dead 1 he never really attacks john he just try’s to escape. I you could bond with Javier more than what they allowed you to.
Wow is true 😱
I went fishing with Javier before the train job because I knew what was going to happen
Probably bcs he litterally came when everyone is pointing guns at each other so he is confused
I'm am praying if they ever remake RDR1, that they allow us to let Javier go or capture him as a side mission, I doubt they would but this scene shows how much Javier loves his brothers.
John sparing Javier in any fashion would cause the federal government to kill him
would be a cool side mission. if you capture him, you get the chance to sneak into prison with a special outfit to hide your identity, and break him out
that's not happening sadly