I changed the Kinman treble bleed against the duncan in my strat. It`s much better, because there`s no loss of bass, when turning down the pot under 5 !
Sold on the Kinman. Didn't seem like this guitar needed it much. I have it on one strat and got used to it. My other strats darken up way too much so I need it. Great video
Thanks a lot for this comparison, it just helped me to figure out what "fake" high frequencies annoyed me over the years on my Tele, I decided to remove my treble bleed, and the result are way way better, more natural wood sound, and better sustain, better harmonics and pitch harmonics. All thanks to your video. Much appreciated!
In my opinion, the kinman mod does the best job, it sounds more natural, when volume is rolled back. On the other hand- I own a 80s parts caster guitar loaded with the classic single coil-Telecaster PU configuration. In this guitar I installed the Gibson 50s-wiring, what solved all my problems with the loss of clarity when volume is rolled back. Combined with a wax paper capacitor...and everything is fine. Every volume pot position gives me a usable tone... and rolling back the tone pot makes not only muffled. It makes the tone warmer and rounder. I also own a Paul Waller Masterbuilt Stratocaster , and I don't want to destroy the masterbuilder's awesome wiring work inside my guitar, so I would never install a self-made 50s-wiring in this guitar too , but It sounds muffled when volume is rolled back. In this case the kinman mod will be the way to go for me. Great video...thanks for your help to find my decision
Thanks! Saved me messing with trying the different types. The Kinman mod sounded best to me. Think I'll install it with a push/push pot to switch it out 'cos I do use the natural treble roll off for blues rhythms.
Try running a 20k resistor in series and a 150k in parrellel with a. .022 uf capasitor. Boost the treble and keep the lows at lower volume. The fender tone saver is a good all in one component for treble bleed. Also amazon has treble bleed component kits that you can experiment with diff pups and pots .
I have an LP style guitar and actually i have a seymour duncan set of humbuckers, what values do u recommend me? (kinman) the design values are for single coils:( im looking for some balanced on the values of treble bleed that dont make cries my guitar with high values, because i will use my humbuckers as single coils to (coil split)
Sounds to me the dry turned all frequencies down evenly and each of the treble bleed mods kept the treble volume at the same level without decreasing with the rest of the frequencies so turning the volume down left you with a very trebly signal. There is then no way to turn the treble volume down except with the tone knob so you end up with basically basically a bass mid volume and a treble volume without overall volume. It would be better to have your overall volume and then have a bass tone knob and a treble tone knob.
IMO the Fender tone saver is better because it sounds more natural. It doesn't lose the bass too. The only downside is that it cost a lot for it compared to buying the parts and building yourself but if money isn't a issue than get the tone saver
Damn glad I watched this before I finished my strat build. I was going to install a treble bleed and after hearing that mess I've decided NO WAY. Mine sounds better the way it is.
I preferred no mod, but occasionally a song would call for a little something extra. I tinkered around with caps and settled on a .047 using a push pull pot so I had it when I needed it, but not all the time. Just an idea
Kinman for the win. I hate rolling off my guitar volume and having it turn into mud, so a treble bleed is a must for me. Simple leaves too much treble in the signal, Duncan does too, but with the Kinman, all frequencies seem even throughout the sweep.
The Kinman seemed to display some element of perfect balance. I wonder if it would suit my guitar? Strat. But I also agree this guitar didn't appear to need any.
Hi 👋 Great video. Hey do any of the mods affect the tone when the volume is all the way up? Or are all three mods pretty much bypassed when the volume is all the way up. Any difference at full volume?
The only mistake the guy did with this video was using very special tele with Gretsch pickup. Sound is too special to pay attention to mod difference. Cool anyway though.
the simple one sounds terrible! I removed the treble bleed from my squier tele I preferer it whiteout any actually :D Very good video demonstrating each effects thanks edit: I actually like the Kinman mode!
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By far the best demo on the internet ! Well done ! For me , the Kinman smokes them all by retaining the initial tone .
I think, the Kinman mod is the best, because it keeps more bass frequencies
I changed the Kinman treble bleed against the duncan in my strat. It`s much better, because there`s no loss of bass, when turning down the pot under 5 !
Siggi Hauswirth going for the same thing, my tele has too much brightnes to have duncan TB, so im changing it for the kinman as well
Quimerateck try a hybrid of the two. Kinman mod but add the Duncan mod after the in series resistor.
the treble on those pickups are insane, you don't need a treble bleed. Maybe do this but with a strat or something
Treble bleed is about keeping the treble consistent. Even with bright pickups one might not like the darkening effect of roll down tone.
PT.1
0:06 NORMAL
0:27 SIMPLE
0:45 DUNCAN
1:14 KINMAN
PT.2
1:38 SIMPLE
2:25 DUNCAN
3:08 KINMAN
Thanks for the demonstration
Looks like this guitar doesnt need any kind of treble mod
Sold on the Kinman. Didn't seem like this guitar needed it much. I have it on one strat and got used to it. My other strats darken up way too much so I need it. Great video
Thanks a lot for this comparison, it just helped me to figure out what "fake" high frequencies annoyed me over the years on my Tele, I decided to remove my treble bleed, and the result are way way better, more natural wood sound, and better sustain, better harmonics and pitch harmonics. All thanks to your video. Much appreciated!
Thanks man! Finally someone who simply demos the difference 👌🏻👨🏻🔧
In my opinion, the kinman mod does the best job, it sounds more natural, when volume is rolled back.
On the other hand- I own a 80s parts caster guitar loaded with the classic single coil-Telecaster PU configuration. In this guitar I installed the Gibson 50s-wiring, what solved all my problems with the loss of clarity when volume is rolled back. Combined with a wax paper capacitor...and everything is fine. Every volume pot position gives me a usable tone... and rolling back the tone pot makes not only muffled. It makes the tone warmer and rounder.
I also own a Paul Waller Masterbuilt Stratocaster , and I don't want to destroy the masterbuilder's awesome wiring work inside my guitar, so I would never install a self-made 50s-wiring in this guitar too , but It sounds muffled when volume is rolled back.
In this case the kinman mod will be the way to go for me.
Great video...thanks for your help to find my decision
Thanks! Saved me messing with trying the different types. The Kinman mod sounded best to me.
Think I'll install it with a push/push pot to switch it out 'cos I do use the natural treble roll off for blues rhythms.
Simple: way too harsh
Duncan: better, but needs more bass
Kinman: perfect
Kinman (series) was the only one that gave the impression of balance; bass and treble increasing together as the volume pot is rolled up.
Good demo.
I prefer dry, but you did an effective job demonstrating the differences.
Thanks!
I like the Duncan mod. Bass is also preserved. Otherwise, this guitar does not need any treble bleed. 🙂
I like the Simple. If I turn the volume down is just for a fraction. Will keep trebs at peak. Thanks for the video.
Try running a 20k resistor in series and a 150k in parrellel with a.
.022 uf capasitor.
Boost the treble and keep the lows at lower volume. The fender tone saver is a good all in one component for treble bleed. Also amazon has treble bleed component kits that you can experiment with diff pups and pots .
I did a Kinman on my strat w/ humbucker bridge... Tiny little 180pf cap with a 100k resistor. Worked perfect.
I have an LP style guitar and actually i have a seymour duncan set of humbuckers, what values do u recommend me? (kinman) the design values are for single coils:( im looking for some balanced on the values of treble bleed that dont make cries my guitar with high values, because i will use my humbuckers as single coils to (coil split)
Sounds to me the dry turned all frequencies down evenly and each of the treble bleed mods kept the treble volume at the same level without decreasing with the rest of the frequencies so turning the volume down left you with a very trebly signal. There is then no way to turn the treble volume down except with the tone knob so you end up with basically basically a bass mid volume and a treble volume without overall volume. It would be better to have your overall volume and then have a bass tone knob and a treble tone knob.
IMO the Fender tone saver is better because it sounds more natural. It doesn't lose the bass too. The only downside is that it cost a lot for it compared to buying the parts and building yourself but if money isn't a issue than get the tone saver
For that particular guitar, I would go with the Kinnman Mod.
Congrats on the video! does not this system allow you to lower the volume fully?
Nice demo of treble bleed man. Thanks.
I've personally had the best results with a hybrid Duncan/kinman setup. Run a small 20k resistor in series before a pretty standard Duncan mod. 👍
What would happen if you did the opposite? Running a 20k resistor parallel, but your standard in series
What potentiometer did you use for the volume? A - logarithmic or B - linear? Thank you for your response
Hi, we used log pots
Damn glad I watched this before I finished my strat build. I was going to install a treble bleed and after hearing that mess I've decided NO WAY. Mine sounds better the way it is.
cap and resistor values?
Luis Fernando exactly
I much prefer the sound without any mod at all.
+J583 I agree, but that kinman sounds oh so good.
+J583 Agreed, dry sounds best. A Tele has plenty of treble to spare. Great demo.
I preferred no mod, but occasionally a song would call for a little something extra. I tinkered around with caps and settled on a .047 using a push pull pot so I had it when I needed it, but not all the time. Just an idea
Which one is best for srv kinda tone?
Kinman for the win. I hate rolling off my guitar volume and having it turn into mud, so a treble bleed is a must for me. Simple leaves too much treble in the signal, Duncan does too, but with the Kinman, all frequencies seem even throughout the sweep.
The Kinman seemed to display some element of perfect balance. I wonder if it would suit my guitar? Strat. But I also agree this guitar didn't appear to need any.
Not needed on this guitar, but great demo showing that kinman is clearly the best
Steve lukatet cual usaria treble bleed?
what kind of guitar is that? is the best telecaster i've ever seen
Thank you! It's a Squier Telecaster Cabronita with Bigsby
@@accordoTV are you using the single coil or the humbucker in the video?
It is the single coil@@AngeloLudwing
And the Australian entry takes first place. Simple is *WAY* too bright when you roll off the volume.
Hi 👋 Great video. Hey do any of the mods affect the tone when the volume is all the way up? Or are all three mods pretty much bypassed when the volume is all the way up. Any difference at full volume?
Treble bleed is bypassed when volume is full up because wiper and hot input are shorted, which shorts out the treble bleed circuit
kinman so cool...!
Really bright guitar with a really right plex tone, maybe a treble bleed isn’t needed on this
Please which capacitor value are you using for the simple mode ?
All the tests are made with a 100k resistor and a 2,2nF cap (the most common value is between 1 and 2 nF).
@@accordoTV you are off there body, common values are between 100 to 680 pF, i use a 220pF, you are an order of magnitude off with that one.
Thank you sir .If i want to put yhe kinman mod in my les paul what value of risister i should use with capasitor ?? Pls
Glad you appreciated! The values depend on your guitar and your very taste, but for the Kinman a 130k resistor and a 1.2nF cap are quite standard.
Nice presentation!
Duncan is the best... for ME!!
Treble bleed sounds the best to me.
They're all treble bleed
SexyMollusk Coding
Hahaha
Thanks for this comparison!
Perfeito excelente, tirou minhas dúvidas!
The kinman works better imo. In my strat I made a master volume, master tone.. and a pot dedicated to control the treble bleed.
The only mistake the guy did with this video was using very special tele with Gretsch pickup. Sound is too special to pay attention to mod difference. Cool anyway though.
It's a squier cabronita original.
To me, Kinman seems more linear and predictable (as in, easier to 'recall' or work with).
explicando passo a passo como se faz...
buen trabajo!
Muito obrigado, ajudou muito!
the simple one sounds terrible! I removed the treble bleed from my squier tele I preferer it whiteout any actually :D Very good video demonstrating each effects thanks
edit: I actually like the Kinman mode!
The guitar sound by itself is very harsh! The treble bleed on this guitar makes it even worse.
They should name those flying trons because if I had those they would be flying to the nearest dumpster
sounds the best without any treble bleed to be honest. 🤣
Kinman = High end
The Kinman mod is more natural sounding. Btw the overall demo is a bit too dirty...
The simple bleed is pretty shitty, the Kinman, on the other hand, is gorgeous!
el simple me suena rockabilly!!!
Dry was better than simple by far, simple had an ear piercing amount of treble.. Kinman wins.
Simple method sounds like all it does is reduce bass not volume
0:18 1:19
Dear god the icepick treble from those 'trons. My ears are bleeding.
show
That simple sounds too harsh. It hurts my ears.
Pickups sound horrible dude. Just horrid.
I liked the initial dry sound best, definitely won't be doing any of the 3 mods.