This character is fair and balanced, hes got a lot of opportunities to whiff punish and his hitboxes feel pretty fair. Always happy to have a ranked match with Jack hes very nice to fight!
@@BlablahKia brav I did but he's not literally the best the rank system isn't accurate the number one samurai Jack probably doesn't play ranked all that much
9:05 I dont know what "under the hood" change the devs could have made for this to happen, but that controller glitch has started to happen to me several times recently. Didn't experience it at all at any point after the Season 2 update until a couple days ago. I hope it gets fixed quick cuz it can really throw you off in the middle of a match and potentially even cost you a win.
Auto combo into up attack on ground into side grab into side special in air is a true 0 to death with timing also you can do jab jab into counter into side special into grab for 0 to death you are welcome
@@TDGFT- spacing is important. His dynamite is his best move well idk about after the nerfs his skateboard is good for approaching or running away from situations his gun is good for killing after combos just a few tips
I'm trying to figure out how you don't deal with the random freeze then your character just stops and walks off issue. Everytime I'm winning the game freezes then I end up walking off I have multiple videos to prove it. I'm just tired of being screwed over due to that issue. I know no one walks straight off the map when they combo. Then it happens so fast like I walk off in super speed. Please anyone else confirm this for me
@@JemnyeTheeEmeraldGaming any wifi is a bad connection. doesn't matter if its fast, you have inherent latency on wifi. it's the exact cause for your sudden spikes of lag
Funny enough when i played that “tiny” fight in the pve i was like this feels so much better (minus the hit boxes, animations, and damage knockback not matching. But the movement feel was way better
Yeah after hearing everyone is mad that ppl think this character is broken just cuz he came out.. yeah hes fukn broken. Playing against this character in 2vs is nonsense.
Bugs Up air is his best Kill option...he doesn't really have anything else. Hammer is too slow and needs to be set up and PHAT!!! Read to really get much off of it. Safe??? It got hella Nerfed and can be Parried and destroyed extremely easily. Bugs still has to get a lot going in his favor to kill someone.
Ok but two of those people are tanks so thats understandable jason has one too so it makes sense but the other two are just silly 😅 also he isnt hard to learn hes recommended so 🙂🙃
I think the only problem with Jack is the hitboxes. The frame data and knockback feel fair. The hitboxes just don't match up with the visuals. The jab hitboxes are way beyond what is shown, same with the dash. Once you get the timings down, it feels a lot better fighting him, but sometimes I get hit by something from a light-year away and it feels like bs
All i know is jacks side special hits through black Adam’s aerial down special. A move that when activated puts black Adam’s ENTIRE BODY in the air and shoots a projectile down and away. Why is he able to connect on that? Even if i preemptively down b it still connects
He's good only reason to me he feels really really good is because it seems like half the roster or more is undertuned in more aspect then one * cough velma and garnet*
@realisticsoul7597 velma still needs buffs huge buff garnet needs faster start up less end lag and more force on the gauntlet missile eletro ball the static needs to just stay and while it's there it insta breaks armor and tiny damage boost
I think to truly fix him he needs way more whiff time on his side special, and he dodges too far like joker did. Also just needs whiff lag on all his specials more than what he has. And this game really needs to find a way to keep this from being a camp fest. Void is awesome and isn’t as bad of an offender as most ranked players are. But it’s not fun play jack in neutral at all. His neutral air has a stupid delayed hit box and even when you dodge through the spin it still hits. And his side special shouldn’t break projectiles wtf is that. Also it’s only when I play him but the game seems to studder a ton and when you and the opponent both hit simultaneously and someone has jack it bugs out. Not even lag just weird technical issues and that’s on Xbox so trust me I know connection issues and this isn’t that.😂
I think you're having trouble putting yourself in the place of a beginner player. Certainly the character is not broken but he is so easy to use and so strong against new/beginner players. You, by the looks of it, are all pros but put yourself in the place of an average player. I swear to you that this character is a cancer on his leg. (Those who say "be better" I don't give a damn, I don't have 10 hours to spend on the game a day)
I'm not gonna say be better but I will say be patient you will adapt to the character if you verse him enough and play as him too he is very easy to use if you spam one button but at the higher levels he is good only
I'll say this and it's a bit long but if you actually care you should read what I have to say. 1. You do need to get better I don't play this game often and I never had an issue with Jack outside of his first day. If you played ANY FIGHTING GAMES for a period of time or enjoy them a lot like I do the rate at which you adapt matters. Or the time you spend playing the game. Putting yourself in a position of an average Joe is fair but you also have to understand your logic can be applied to EVERY CHARACTER. Not just Jack a lot of characters in this game are easy to pick up and some are just easy to pick up and be good with. While others are Harder to Master. Jack is what you would call a Noobie Killer. For players like you who will make excuses and not take the time necessary to improve. Which is a issue. People will look at your comments and feel some type of way because players will think Jack is Broken and get him Nerfed and ruin any type of fun the character could have brought to the game. Taking the time to adapt and improve to see the character is fine is what truly matters. 2. If you don't play fighting games much in general then look at it like this. use the time you have plaything this game Better. It's easier to complain and bitch. But it's harder to sit down and learn from our mistakes and take the steps to improve. You say Jack is Cancer to go up against...can you elaborate on why? Because at its core. It is a skill issue and it's not offensive to say that. It's just the truth. What makes Jack so cancer? In your words Is it his Side Special? He has to aim it and charge it. If he misses you can punish him. Is it his Normals? Even in Smash Brothers...heck any fighting game any character with long limbs or weapons they basically teach you where to be careful in and where you want to avoid. Through trial and error you can unknowingly learn the concept of footies. If you don't know what that means to sum it up. It's 2 players fighting for space. You can see Void and Black Adam do that. They dash Dance and move in and out of each other's Attack range to make the others flinch or punish them for trying to attack and they miss (which leads into whiff punishing) You don't need to spend 10 hours on this game to know that. especially nowadays with the Internet. If you have a problem TRY to learn and fix it with the time you have. Fighting games of all kinds are about problem solving. Like in real life. If you encounter an issue you do your best to fix it. Not complain and not do anything about it. Nothing will ever get done if you keep that mindset and it holds you back if you dwell on it.
😂 I hope one day I can be as good as you are void im really glad you play MVS with the community and hope to fight you someday I might lose but, it’ll be rlly fun 🎉😊
Marvin are you kidding me? Lol Marvin needs buffs badly Batman I can agree with and Morty you are insane he can kill early but not as early as joker or ig
This game needs further death box all around, less knockback at early percentage (150 >) and basic combos should not kill and should only be tools you get to your kill moves.
This character has made me start to lose interest in the game again. There's such little flavor in low level ranked it's almost always against Jack and he's not fun to fight against. He's definitely too strong.
Yeah now that jacks been out a week or two people are figuring out counter play and now he doesn’t seem as broken people just personally don’t know how to lose sometimes and use it to learn and get better the moment they lose a character is broken or the game sucks
Sad that many ppl like you watch Void's videos without listening... Speaker issues? Just play some hours, learn how to move, dodge and punish him and you'll be fine (or play PvE if you're too lazy for that I guess). Better than waiting for the devs to take back every fun thing in the game until you're able to beat someone.
@@roxxo38 Yeah you know I space myself to be out of range of his sword to punish his non whiff jab and it hits me anyway as if a gap between us isn’t there. I maneuver my landing or dodge behind him to punish side special and I actually should still be getting hit. You’re right I didn’t even think about that.
I can’t play Multiversus since I’m in a Country that gives me horseshit Ping what should I do I’m not asking Void btw since it’s unrealistic I’m asking a random viewer that stumbles upon this comment also this game feels faster and faster I wish the Game doesn’t die again
@Galaxy-jy9wl Finn and Jack are nowhere near eachother in terms of brokenness. Samurai jack isn't anyone's worst matchup. Finn is a lot of characters worst matchup (Samurai Jack is one of those characters). I'm saying learn the matchup because Samurai Jack is not nearly as broken as people say. It's simply a skill issue. Ask any top player. They will agree.
The first game shows why this character just out right trash 😂 Rick was mixing his shit, but He gets enraged for getting his ass beat, And from that point hits 4-5 sides specials & a up kick to get the easy kill😂😂😂 Character literally Banana guard in a dude’s uniform 😂. BUT I DIGRESS, we suppose to be happy about spamming & accept it
That Rick played as passively as possible and wasn’t even that proficient with it. You’re malding so hard it’s pretty embarrassing bro…. The only thing samurai jack needs a tune up on is his second go around for the rage side special. Other than that it puts you out of position a lot of the time, with one last air special function at that. You are at great disadvantage if the enemy isn’t so bad and can actually predict.
@@Tusdeti play Rick, Jack is way too fast to set up anything with portal. Most of the timeI I can't even set up a meeseek's. Rick's combo game doesn't work because all of Jack's moves are faster than Rick's jab. His recovery is too quick to set up a jab. Don't even get me started on his edge guard potential. Rick can only kill Jack at around 130 while Jack can at around 85. Basically, playing Rick against Jack is putting yourself in one hell of a handicap. Hell, Rick has only 4 good matchups.
@@fpsmars3681he is just salty jack takes skill at higher levels but if we are basing it off what he said Im gold 3 with Marvin right now which has been hard
My only rant with jack is that his sword has a longer reach than agent smiths guns
Dude his foot has a longer reach then bannana guards charging spear 😂
1:57 is the perfect example of that, lol
This character is fair and balanced, hes got a lot of opportunities to whiff punish and his hitboxes feel pretty fair. Always happy to have a ranked match with Jack hes very nice to fight!
facts 😂
@@Zefranui21 some moves feel a bit overturned but maybe that's because the other characters are bad 🤷🏿♂️
Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not. Just the way you worded it
Such carefully crafted sarcasm 🤣
Stop his moves be hitting when your behind him
Not you too 😭😭
"I became the number one samurai Jack in the world"
-literally everyone
Is different when void says it but still
Are u crying?
@@okgxl no
bro its not clickbait he literally shows proof
@@EMPthyst clearly you didn’t watch the video he already showed that he did it once again
@@BlablahKia brav I did but he's not literally the best the rank system isn't accurate the number one samurai Jack probably doesn't play ranked all that much
Seeing you destroy that Arya was satisfying to say the least
Arya is difficult to win against on ranked
i got caked walked by arya 2x for the first time yesterday and that was very humbling
she was feeding for jab the entire time after he took first stock
9:05 I dont know what "under the hood" change the devs could have made for this to happen, but that controller glitch has started to happen to me several times recently. Didn't experience it at all at any point after the Season 2 update until a couple days ago. I hope it gets fixed quick cuz it can really throw you off in the middle of a match and potentially even cost you a win.
void prove that we can play this mf not only with jab and side b
That’s Wi-Fi jak special forsure
The problem is plenty of people are happy to just spam side b non stop
I'm saying he the goat
Auto combo into up attack on ground into side grab into side special in air is a true 0 to death with timing also you can do jab jab into counter into side special into grab for 0 to death you are welcome
I think the only thing that they need to nerf is the side special wiff recovery time cause that is silly other than that hes fine
So true. People are already adapting to him. But he can dodge too soon after whiffing side special for sure.
@@hoff0839you’ll be fine
2:20 how do you go into the grab while starting a ground combo? It doesnt look like you jumped?
Thats what im trying to figure out
If you dodge and hold up and forward when you have blue meter you can do air move out of the dodge. It uses blue meter but that’s how he did this
@@swagmountains yo thnk u
IAD
1:00 - What was the hit that set you up for getting hit by the up special? Do you take a little knockback when you come out of the teleporter?
You do, you get some decent hit-stun coming back so Rick can set up something
As long as the top jack isn't named Skibidi I don't care who it is.
Don't do my boy Jack like that
remember seeing that finn on stream, you was all the way locked in 😂
Lol Next Balance Patch gonna go hard.
I can’t find any stripe guides anywhere for season 2 😢
He got extreme nerfs but what are you looking for like combos or just how to play him
@@realisticsoul7597 how to play the character
@@TDGFT- spacing is important. His dynamite is his best move well idk about after the nerfs his skateboard is good for approaching or running away from situations his gun is good for killing after combos just a few tips
I'm trying to figure out how you don't deal with the random freeze then your character just stops and walks off issue. Everytime I'm winning the game freezes then I end up walking off I have multiple videos to prove it. I'm just tired of being screwed over due to that issue. I know no one walks straight off the map when they combo. Then it happens so fast like I walk off in super speed. Please anyone else confirm this for me
@@JemnyeTheeEmeraldGaming that’s a bad connection issue. Happens to me sometimes and to who I’m fighting
@@bryanxjames1215 why am I being punished for their bad connection 😭
@@JemnyeTheeEmeraldGamingmaybe it’s ur connection
@@TheGodlyGamerMugen I'll give it a shot but my connection usually is great I might switch to lan
@@JemnyeTheeEmeraldGaming any wifi is a bad connection. doesn't matter if its fast, you have inherent latency on wifi. it's the exact cause for your sudden spikes of lag
surprised this man isnt going "I CANT PLAY HIM OR THEYLL NERF HIM PLEASE STOP NERFING CHARACTERS"
There are like 10 RUclipsrs who say they are the best samurai Jack.
Can you make a video on who I should trust?
I swear the character models are just too big. I still cant get used to it. All I see is armin’s colossal titan everywhere..
Funny enough when i played that “tiny” fight in the pve i was like this feels so much better (minus the hit boxes, animations, and damage knockback not matching.
But the movement feel was way better
@@Taytexas Yeah man...
That was a very Nice fight with Finn, impressive 😮
Yeah after hearing everyone is mad that ppl think this character is broken just cuz he came out.. yeah hes fukn broken. Playing against this character in 2vs is nonsense.
Atleast voids got the mix. 99% of jack users are 100% bringing attack decay back.
Notice that Jack basically only killls at like 140. He doesn't have a tilt that kills like WW, Joker, Superman, Bugs, etc.
Bugs Up air is his best Kill option...he doesn't really have anything else.
Hammer is too slow and needs to be set up and PHAT!!! Read to really get much off of it.
Safe??? It got hella Nerfed and can be Parried and destroyed extremely easily. Bugs still has to get a lot going in his favor to kill someone.
Ok but two of those people are tanks so thats understandable jason has one too so it makes sense but the other two are just silly 😅 also he isnt hard to learn hes recommended so 🙂🙃
angled slash off stage
I think the only problem with Jack is the hitboxes. The frame data and knockback feel fair. The hitboxes just don't match up with the visuals. The jab hitboxes are way beyond what is shown, same with the dash. Once you get the timings down, it feels a lot better fighting him, but sometimes I get hit by something from a light-year away and it feels like bs
Yeah but he can kill early if your by the edge
At 26-27 what was that overhead slash? I've never seen that used in any of my games somehow?
Its the counter, without the perk I believe
Do you have a discord if not I fell like you should make one
All i know is jacks side special hits through black Adam’s aerial down special. A move that when activated puts black Adam’s ENTIRE BODY in the air and shoots a projectile down and away. Why is he able to connect on that? Even if i preemptively down b it still connects
I did not know master had 1-5😭I thought diamond was the grind
2:56 thats a cute ariya skin
My notification made me think you were going for the top samus 😂😂
any chance of a jack guide?
How does he turn his ground dodge into an air dodge? Its kinda like a Liu kang instant air fireball
I really want to know what perks did you put for jack
LETS GO VOID.
Does this character have any whiff lag?
Nope
He's good only reason to me he feels really really good is because it seems like half the roster or more is undertuned in more aspect then one * cough velma and garnet*
Garnet is good now just gotta learn her Velma is not terrible but not good either
@realisticsoul7597 velma still needs buffs huge buff garnet needs faster start up less end lag and more force on the gauntlet missile eletro ball the static needs to just stay and while it's there it insta breaks armor and tiny damage boost
what perks do u use?
Great fight bruh I got cooked lol 😂
jack seems entirely too big in fact the scaling for most chracters seems off by alot but nice matches tho
is that jack mastermind void?
I think to truly fix him he needs way more whiff time on his side special, and he dodges too far like joker did. Also just needs whiff lag on all his specials more than what he has. And this game really needs to find a way to keep this from being a camp fest. Void is awesome and isn’t as bad of an offender as most ranked players are. But it’s not fun play jack in neutral at all. His neutral air has a stupid delayed hit box and even when you dodge through the spin it still hits. And his side special shouldn’t break projectiles wtf is that. Also it’s only when I play him but the game seems to studder a ton and when you and the opponent both hit simultaneously and someone has jack it bugs out. Not even lag just weird technical issues and that’s on Xbox so trust me I know connection issues and this isn’t that.😂
how is he dodging just off the ground to use neutral special like that after normal combo
0:11 Void is worse than Skibidi? Bro fell off😭
I’m a noob now since the official launch of multiverse and I will say jack is a noob killer I can’t beat him
I think you're having trouble putting yourself in the place of a beginner player. Certainly the character is not broken but he is so easy to use and so strong against new/beginner players. You, by the looks of it, are all pros but put yourself in the place of an average player. I swear to you that this character is a cancer on his leg. (Those who say "be better" I don't give a damn, I don't have 10 hours to spend on the game a day)
And understand that even if people play a lot, the rate of evolution varies from one person to another. (Thx for the works Void, love from Belgium 🇧🇪)
I'm not gonna say be better but I will say be patient you will adapt to the character if you verse him enough and play as him too he is very easy to use if you spam one button but at the higher levels he is good only
I'll say this and it's a bit long but if you actually care you should read what I have to say.
1. You do need to get better I don't play this game often and I never had an issue with Jack outside of his first day. If you played ANY FIGHTING GAMES for a period of time or enjoy them a lot like I do the rate at which you adapt matters. Or the time you spend playing the game.
Putting yourself in a position of an average Joe is fair but you also have to understand your logic can be applied to EVERY CHARACTER. Not just Jack a lot of characters in this game are easy to pick up and some are just easy to pick up and be good with. While others are Harder to Master.
Jack is what you would call a Noobie Killer. For players like you who will make excuses and not take the time necessary to improve. Which is a issue. People will look at your comments and feel some type of way because players will think Jack is Broken and get him Nerfed and ruin any type of fun the character could have brought to the game. Taking the time to adapt and improve to see the character is fine is what truly matters.
2. If you don't play fighting games much in general then look at it like this. use the time you have plaything this game Better. It's easier to complain and bitch. But it's harder to sit down and learn from our mistakes and take the steps to improve.
You say Jack is Cancer to go up against...can you elaborate on why? Because at its core. It is a skill issue and it's not offensive to say that. It's just the truth.
What makes Jack so cancer? In your words
Is it his Side Special? He has to aim it and charge it. If he misses you can punish him.
Is it his Normals? Even in Smash Brothers...heck any fighting game any character with long limbs or weapons they basically teach you where to be careful in and where you want to avoid.
Through trial and error you can unknowingly learn the concept of footies. If you don't know what that means to sum it up. It's 2 players fighting for space. You can see Void and Black Adam do that. They dash Dance and move in and out of each other's Attack range to make the others flinch or punish them for trying to attack and they miss (which leads into whiff punishing)
You don't need to spend 10 hours on this game to know that. especially nowadays with the Internet. If you have a problem TRY to learn and fix it with the time you have.
Fighting games of all kinds are about problem solving. Like in real life. If you encounter an issue you do your best to fix it. Not complain and not do anything about it.
Nothing will ever get done if you keep that mindset and it holds you back if you dwell on it.
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 💯💯💯 masterfully put
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Thank you for the time you spent writing all of this. I understand your point of view. Time
Without side heavy jack is nothing
I also wouldnt wanna be third after someone named skibidi
IF YOU USE PLATFORM PERK THAT SHIT WACK
😂 I hope one day I can be as good as you are void im really glad you play MVS with the community and hope to fight you someday I might lose but, it’ll be rlly fun 🎉😊
Morty, Marvin, and Batman need some changes. They kill way too early.
I think they are annoying but fin for me is the most annoying
Marvin are you kidding me? Lol Marvin needs buffs badly Batman I can agree with and Morty you are insane he can kill early but not as early as joker or ig
@@realisticsoul7597 I’ve died to Marvin’s rocket/ up air at 60% many times. It’s not ok.
@@realisticsoul7597 it’s the kill confirms that they have on every character that also deal like 40-60
@@puregarbage2329 yeah but that's just apart of the game they should adjust it to 80 percent or even 90 I agree on
This game needs further death box all around, less knockback at early percentage (150 >) and basic combos should not kill and should only be tools you get to your kill moves.
Jeez if they enlarge the kill zone they better give Rick some actual kill potential. I'm gonna be out there killing at 160 💀
@@Galaxy-jy9wl they will have to adjust specials all around for sure
I don't even see void in top 100 now 😭 probably cuz he playing other characters
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This character has made me start to lose interest in the game again. There's such little flavor in low level ranked it's almost always against Jack and he's not fun to fight against. He's definitely too strong.
Another Jack player in this game!? I cannot take this anymore!
Yeah now that jacks been out a week or two people are figuring out counter play and now he doesn’t seem as broken people just personally don’t know how to lose sometimes and use it to learn and get better the moment they lose a character is broken or the game sucks
Like in life time and experience goes a long way. People need to stop complaining and Lab the match up.
idk why but im just terrible at jack
Not that hard when the character takes no skill whatsoever
can’t wait for them to balance him. Can’t come fast enough
He’s incredibly balanced, y’all are just bugging and don’t want to admit you belong hardstuck bronze
@@Ballsackson can’t tell exactly if this is sarcasm n you’re just a dick or actually serious.
@@Ballsacksonbeing able to perform 3 op slashes after not even connecting with the 1st one is definitely balanced 😂
Sad that many ppl like you watch Void's videos without listening... Speaker issues?
Just play some hours, learn how to move, dodge and punish him and you'll be fine (or play PvE if you're too lazy for that I guess).
Better than waiting for the devs to take back every fun thing in the game until you're able to beat someone.
@@roxxo38 Yeah you know I space myself to be out of range of his sword to punish his non whiff jab and it hits me anyway as if a gap between us isn’t there. I maneuver my landing or dodge behind him to punish side special and I actually should still be getting hit. You’re right I didn’t even think about that.
wow void on jack plays like literally every other rando
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I can’t play Multiversus since I’m in a Country that gives me horseshit Ping what should I do
I’m not asking Void btw since it’s unrealistic I’m asking a random viewer that stumbles upon this comment also this game feels faster and faster I wish the Game doesn’t die again
You should take this comment and google search
@@bryanxjames1215Tbh I should probably should’ve done that first
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Not hard, just side special and inshallah
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Jack is so fucking lame
All Samurai Jack mains are beta who like to play the game on easy mode
L learn the matchup it's not that bad
@@GayLizard learn the matchup? that's like saying to a Rick player "just beat Finn it's not like he's your hardest matchup or anything".
@Galaxy-jy9wl Finn and Jack are nowhere near eachother in terms of brokenness. Samurai jack isn't anyone's worst matchup. Finn is a lot of characters worst matchup (Samurai Jack is one of those characters). I'm saying learn the matchup because Samurai Jack is not nearly as broken as people say. It's simply a skill issue. Ask any top player. They will agree.
可惜，中国好像没什么人玩这个游戏
Jack is broken idc
No one cares he’s overpowered
The first game shows why this character just out right trash 😂 Rick was mixing his shit, but He gets enraged for getting his ass beat, And from that point hits 4-5 sides specials & a up kick to get the easy kill😂😂😂 Character literally Banana guard in a dude’s uniform 😂. BUT I DIGRESS, we suppose to be happy about spamming & accept it
That Rick played as passively as possible and wasn’t even that proficient with it. You’re malding so hard it’s pretty embarrassing bro…. The only thing samurai jack needs a tune up on is his second go around for the rage side special. Other than that it puts you out of position a lot of the time, with one last air special function at that. You are at great disadvantage if the enemy isn’t so bad and can actually predict.
@@Tusdet 😂😂 here we go
@@Tusdeti play Rick, Jack is way too fast to set up anything with portal. Most of the timeI I can't even set up a meeseek's. Rick's combo game doesn't work because all of Jack's moves are faster than Rick's jab. His recovery is too quick to set up a jab. Don't even get me started on his edge guard potential.
Rick can only kill Jack at around 130 while Jack can at around 85. Basically, playing Rick against Jack is putting yourself in one hell of a handicap. Hell, Rick has only 4 good matchups.
First
i hate this character
This game doesn't look fun
@bhands
Disappointed you did the grind on jack. Character is broken af no skill
Who takes skill then?
@@fpsmars3681he is just salty jack takes skill at higher levels but if we are basing it off what he said Im gold 3 with Marvin right now which has been hard
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