Yes, that definitely seems to be the case. I missed it because they had show that Shady Sands scene so many times throughout the season I thought it was simply Maximus remembering losing his home again, but it being Quintus as a knight makes perfect sense. It also makes it clear as to why he would be invested in Maximus.
19:04 these descriptions are comically evil, but very in-keeping with the way things are described within internal corporate memos, within the games; plus, this is supposed to be a meeting to introduce the concept of custom Vaults to the various ‘Heads’, so I was ok with a certain amount of ‘spit-balling’, especially since the purpose of the scene was to explain why the various Vault experiments in the games seemed so random; also, you may have missed the part where collecting the data AFTER the war is a featured part of the plan; the data is supposed to be used to rebuild society after the world is wiped out; Bud’s plan is to simply wait everyone else out in cryogenic sleep; i also suspect that he has an orbital missile platform or two set up to deal with any competitors who get in the way, like the NCR, when Vault-Tec is ready to rebuild; no need to tell these guys that part, as the REAL purpose of the meeting is to get them to help fund Vault-Tec’s plan; and being The Overlord of Humanity, in their own custom-built Utopia, is pretty much all the ‘profit’ they or any of their competitors, could want or need…which explains why Bud didn’t go insane in the roomba, because he was already insane, when they put him in the thing
I'd have preferred to hear more of the reasoning behind their experiments. Vault staff knowing that they're performing an experiment where they pump psychotropic chemicals into the air is fine. I'd have liked to hear the reasoning given here. I get that the idea is to use the data after the war, but most of these organizations had no preservation plans to ensure they would be around to get that data. When I talk about Bud going insane, I mean actually mad, not just a purveyor of horrifying theories of how to destroy and rebuild civilization. Isolation in solitary confinement for more than a couple weeks is considered torture by some countries. 219 years with brief breaks when he revives a Bud has to be incredibly harmful to his sanity.
7:18 Nope. Mount Wilson Observatory is also very close to LA, northeast of Pasadena and 30-40 mile drive drive from Griffith. It is high up on the mountains, is still active as a solar observatory for astronomers, and have snow in January. Recommend a visit if you ever find yourself LA area. If it is clear, you can see the entirety of LA spanning miles. If there are low clouds, you will literally be above the clouds at the observatory. But it is not as famous so it does not surprise me that when people say observatory near LA they immediately think Griffith.
Crazy theory time here but is it possible hank is headed for vault 21 on the strip? In current cannon it’s said that house filled up most of the vault and turned it into a hotel, but could the show be taking a route where house was instead hiding something in the vault and now hank has come to try and collect it? Alternatively he could be coming to access house’s networks and find a clue that leads him somewhere else.
Something i realized about vault tecs plan is how similiar it is to the Masters plan. Wipe humanity off the surface and take over with your own group to end war and factionslism, both of which are flawed albiet by different means As for why reppcon makes robots Yahama makes motorcycles as well as pianos
As far as I know, this was the first mention of them producing robots. Given the specialized nature of their field, I would have expected any robots created be related to their rocketry operations (i.e. robots that perform work in orbit), rather than in the area of milk delivery
I think you’re missing the point about the corn. It looks like some kind of mutated post-apocalyptic freak vegetable, which it is. I know everything nowadays is genetically engineered and fairly immune from change but after a nuclear war I think the corn looks properly mutated. Just my two cents.
If you see the corn that gets blood sprayed on it, it looks far better. I think they just used cheap plastic corn in the scene in which Lucy arrived. There is a weird thing with corn with the show in general, including an Amazon extra about a special form of corn developed by Vault-Tec.
I'm wondering if the knight max saw is the same elder that is leading this brotherhood chapter. If what I say is true he might look at Max as a survivor and believes he is strong. Just a thought. More than likely wrong but still plausible.
One thing I don't get about Vault-Tec and Vault 31: what are they waiting for? They say they want to take over, so why are they still underground 219 years later? Why didn't they emerge right away and start setting up before factions could establish themselves. We're told that Hank blew up Shady Sands because they were "competition," but he took them out and then immediately went back underground again. And for that matter, it seems they didn't even know the NCR existed until Lucy's mom discovered them. Do they not have equipment to monitor the surface? How are they planning to know when to go up if they have no clue what's happening outside?
Good points. I think they are waiting for humanity to die out, but unless they are planning to release a scorched plague type bioweapon, I’m not sure how they expect that to happen. Bud fully expects Reclamation Day not to take place for centuries. I don’t understand why, if they have access to more nukes, they haven’t attempted to wipe the slate fully clean in the aftermath of the Great War.
It could be that some of those vaults were already built and they were retrofit to match the requirements of those companies, but I would bet some of them hadn’t been created yet.
Quintus never saw Maximus as ambitious, and he was quite sure Maximus didn't sabotage Dane right after interrogation. That in the end was just a "carrot" after "stick", cause Quintus will not send BoS into potential "wild goose chase" battle, only cause some soldier said so. What saved Maximus' life, is a fact that Quintus has his superiors, and this mission being of highest priority and importance to them. Quintus was just extracting more info from Maximus, and prompting him to tell the truth. Assigning him to First Wave and Vanguard, was part of it, combined with punishment..
Maximus was already offering to lead them to the real head before Dane made it clear that they were responsible for their own injured foot, and Quintus ignored him. He didn’t let up on the execution threat until after Dane’s comment.
@@IrresoluteCartographer Quintus "ignored" him, but didn't give the order, just prolonged "the stick" pressure, cause, he had another case to solve: "Dane sabotage", can't leave that one un-solved, and the suspect broke. Two (both) cases solved. Also, corporate meeting in the end, is not about profit. In normal world, money is power and control, they were informed that "new world" where money is useless, is coming this way or the other (listen to Barb's words after communicated with Shaddow figure), so "offer" made by Barb, left them no choice. Also entire "new world project" is one of the Enclave, Vault Tec is only leading it, cause Barb (a member of the Enclave, or answering to it) is in Vault Tec, others there are just corporate heads that will get few vaults each as a reward for participating, and as new world business model (can do what ever, and try to win i.e. rule the new world, but never informed about "one vault that oversees them all" that Barb mentioned to Cooper), and Vault Tec needs other corporations for money and resources (can't build all those Vaults alone).. Shortly: the Government is outsourcing Corporations for Government projects. Obviously, lots potential for internal conflict down the line, for that you are correct. For example: House took the vaults, but had New Vegas as his "winning angle".. Also, that scene when Moldaver "reveals truth" to Lucy, is NOT exposition, at least half is actually unreliable or full on lies. Because things she says, do not add up with other info we can collect during the show (Rose and Lucy wearing Vault suits that you noticed, is just one of the clues). Also, after "Ghoul ambush", 5 BoS soldiers survived, likely reason why Ghoul was "late to the party" cause had to "lose them". BoS First wave (7 vertibirds) was split into Vanguard (5 vertibirds) then two after breach. Maximus "Tempered Lining improved mobility" shows he is dumb, reason why Titus "charged him" to "CLEAN THAT!"
If we've learned anything about modern film it's that Moldaver isn't dead. We don't see her buried. Let's suppose she's a synth since that can't be disproved either yet. I don't think we've seen the last of her.
@@SecretlySeven If "we" learned anything "we'd" know Moldaver is dead, died on screen, while Moldaver is fake name, we might see her in flashbacks (pre Great war + up till how she became "Moldaver"), while Rose might be alive (no body, no on screen death, no confirmation of anything).. Although, likely, Rose is dead too, only likely too, did not happen the way Moldaver said..
While you’re probably right about Moldaver being dead going forward, I would wouldn’t put it past them to have a scene that follows the capture of the Observatory where the clerics arrive, see the cold fusion equipment, and order medics to revive and stabilize Moldaver so that they can question her about the equipment and the science involved.
@@IrresoluteCartographer I don't know. BoS does not care about Moldaver. They care about the Enclave, and the Enclave took this tech before war (Barb's division of Vault Tec bought the research, including Moldaver's company. And Barb is in the Enclave), reason why cold fusion was very limited use (powers G.E.C.K.s, and maybe some top Enclave stuff), and why only few vaults had G.E.C.K.s (Garden of Eden Creation Kit) which are practically "terraformers", and reason why BoS is talking about: "making the World better, EDEN or whatever" (the way Max interpreted what he heard, learned or was taught), and the reason why BoS is monitoring the Enclave, intercepted all the intel about this, and sent the Prydwen from Boston to LA, organizing across continent operation to get this. We see only "western BoS" (not even that) and through lowest grunt perspective mostly in the show, but do not get confused: as Thaddeus who is a grunt, only more aware said: IT'S THE BROTHERHOOD! THEY'LL FIND OUT, and meant litarally what he said, no hiden message. And we saw in the end, how they scanned the head for "it", meaning they know exactly what "it" is, and what "it" does. So this cold fusion was inevitably going to end in BoS possession, directly or indirectly (how they took over Observatory, would take over any other location, facility, base, town, no mater who/how nor what). It was obvious by the reveal of BoS operation scale in ep1, although, the show distracted from it quite well via "grunt perspective", following Max, Thadd, Dane, and audience mostly "fell" for it, or got distracted, so show avoided being predictable and obvious for the most, but not all. Some saw it, clear as a day.
It definitely feels like they rushed the finale, but to be fair abt house at the vault tec meeting he doesn't propose any ideas like the other ceos do and doesnt agree to anything, robco also worked with vault tec on the pip boy so it stands to reason he would meet with them if they wanted to offer him a proposition
To me it seems they were implying Quintus was the knight that saved Maximus from Shady Sands
Yes, that definitely seems to be the case. I missed it because they had show that Shady Sands scene so many times throughout the season I thought it was simply Maximus remembering losing his home again, but it being Quintus as a knight makes perfect sense. It also makes it clear as to why he would be invested in Maximus.
19:04 these descriptions are comically evil, but very in-keeping with the way things are described within internal corporate memos, within the games; plus, this is supposed to be a meeting to introduce the concept of custom Vaults to the various ‘Heads’, so I was ok with a certain amount of ‘spit-balling’, especially since the purpose of the scene was to explain why the various Vault experiments in the games seemed so random; also, you may have missed the part where collecting the data AFTER the war is a featured part of the plan; the data is supposed to be used to rebuild society after the world is wiped out; Bud’s plan is to simply wait everyone else out in cryogenic sleep; i also suspect that he has an orbital missile platform or two set up to deal with any competitors who get in the way, like the NCR, when Vault-Tec is ready to rebuild; no need to tell these guys that part, as the REAL purpose of the meeting is to get them to help fund Vault-Tec’s plan; and being The Overlord of Humanity, in their own custom-built Utopia, is pretty much all the ‘profit’ they or any of their competitors, could want or need…which explains why Bud didn’t go insane in the roomba, because he was already insane, when they put him in the thing
I'd have preferred to hear more of the reasoning behind their experiments. Vault staff knowing that they're performing an experiment where they pump psychotropic chemicals into the air is fine. I'd have liked to hear the reasoning given here. I get that the idea is to use the data after the war, but most of these organizations had no preservation plans to ensure they would be around to get that data. When I talk about Bud going insane, I mean actually mad, not just a purveyor of horrifying theories of how to destroy and rebuild civilization. Isolation in solitary confinement for more than a couple weeks is considered torture by some countries. 219 years with brief breaks when he revives a Bud has to be incredibly harmful to his sanity.
7:18 Nope. Mount Wilson Observatory is also very close to LA, northeast of Pasadena and 30-40 mile drive drive from Griffith. It is high up on the mountains, is still active as a solar observatory for astronomers, and have snow in January. Recommend a visit if you ever find yourself LA area. If it is clear, you can see the entirety of LA spanning miles. If there are low clouds, you will literally be above the clouds at the observatory.
But it is not as famous so it does not surprise me that when people say observatory near LA they immediately think Griffith.
Crazy theory time here but is it possible hank is headed for vault 21 on the strip? In current cannon it’s said that house filled up most of the vault and turned it into a hotel, but could the show be taking a route where house was instead hiding something in the vault and now hank has come to try and collect it? Alternatively he could be coming to access house’s networks and find a clue that leads him somewhere else.
Something i realized about vault tecs plan is how similiar it is to the Masters plan.
Wipe humanity off the surface and take over with your own group to end war and factionslism, both of which are flawed albiet by different means
As for why reppcon makes robots
Yahama makes motorcycles as well as pianos
As far as I know, this was the first mention of them producing robots. Given the specialized nature of their field, I would have expected any robots created be related to their rocketry operations (i.e. robots that perform work in orbit), rather than in the area of milk delivery
@@IrresoluteCartographer maybe rocket scientists like milk
I think you’re missing the point about the corn. It looks like some kind of mutated post-apocalyptic freak vegetable, which it is. I know everything nowadays is genetically engineered and fairly immune from change but after a nuclear war I think the corn looks properly mutated. Just my two cents.
If you see the corn that gets blood sprayed on it, it looks far better. I think they just used cheap plastic corn in the scene in which Lucy arrived. There is a weird thing with corn with the show in general, including an Amazon extra about a special form of corn developed by Vault-Tec.
I'm wondering if the knight max saw is the same elder that is leading this brotherhood chapter. If what I say is true he might look at Max as a survivor and believes he is strong. Just a thought. More than likely wrong but still plausible.
That’s an excellent theory. It would explain why he’s so interested in Maximus.
I have to assume that the post-credits billboard for "cryo-suites" at one of the casinos explains how moldiver survived so long...
One thing I don't get about Vault-Tec and Vault 31: what are they waiting for? They say they want to take over, so why are they still underground 219 years later? Why didn't they emerge right away and start setting up before factions could establish themselves.
We're told that Hank blew up Shady Sands because they were "competition," but he took them out and then immediately went back underground again. And for that matter, it seems they didn't even know the NCR existed until Lucy's mom discovered them. Do they not have equipment to monitor the surface? How are they planning to know when to go up if they have no clue what's happening outside?
Good points. I think they are waiting for humanity to die out, but unless they are planning to release a scorched plague type bioweapon, I’m not sure how they expect that to happen. Bud fully expects Reclamation Day not to take place for centuries. I don’t understand why, if they have access to more nukes, they haven’t attempted to wipe the slate fully clean in the aftermath of the Great War.
It definitely has to be before the vaults were built since they discussed the building of them.
It could be that some of those vaults were already built and they were retrofit to match the requirements of those companies, but I would bet some of them hadn’t been created yet.
Quintus never saw Maximus as ambitious, and he was quite sure Maximus didn't sabotage Dane right after interrogation. That in the end was just a "carrot" after "stick", cause Quintus will not send BoS into potential "wild goose chase" battle, only cause some soldier said so. What saved Maximus' life, is a fact that Quintus has his superiors, and this mission being of highest priority and importance to them. Quintus was just extracting more info from Maximus, and prompting him to tell the truth. Assigning him to First Wave and Vanguard, was part of it, combined with punishment..
Maximus was already offering to lead them to the real head before Dane made it clear that they were responsible for their own injured foot, and Quintus ignored him. He didn’t let up on the execution threat until after Dane’s comment.
@@IrresoluteCartographer Quintus "ignored" him, but didn't give the order, just prolonged "the stick" pressure, cause, he had another case to solve: "Dane sabotage", can't leave that one un-solved, and the suspect broke. Two (both) cases solved.
Also, corporate meeting in the end, is not about profit. In normal world, money is power and control, they were informed that "new world" where money is useless, is coming this way or the other (listen to Barb's words after communicated with Shaddow figure), so "offer" made by Barb, left them no choice. Also entire "new world project" is one of the Enclave, Vault Tec is only leading it, cause Barb (a member of the Enclave, or answering to it) is in Vault Tec, others there are just corporate heads that will get few vaults each as a reward for participating, and as new world business model (can do what ever, and try to win i.e. rule the new world, but never informed about "one vault that oversees them all" that Barb mentioned to Cooper), and Vault Tec needs other corporations for money and resources (can't build all those Vaults alone)..
Shortly: the Government is outsourcing Corporations for Government projects. Obviously, lots potential for internal conflict down the line, for that you are correct. For example: House took the vaults, but had New Vegas as his "winning angle"..
Also, that scene when Moldaver "reveals truth" to Lucy, is NOT exposition, at least half is actually unreliable or full on lies. Because things she says, do not add up with other info we can collect during the show (Rose and Lucy wearing Vault suits that you noticed, is just one of the clues). Also, after "Ghoul ambush", 5 BoS soldiers survived, likely reason why Ghoul was "late to the party" cause had to "lose them". BoS First wave (7 vertibirds) was split into Vanguard (5 vertibirds) then two after breach. Maximus "Tempered Lining improved mobility" shows he is dumb, reason why Titus "charged him" to "CLEAN THAT!"
If we've learned anything about modern film it's that Moldaver isn't dead. We don't see her buried. Let's suppose she's a synth since that can't be disproved either yet. I don't think we've seen the last of her.
@@SecretlySeven If "we" learned anything "we'd" know Moldaver is dead, died on screen, while Moldaver is fake name, we might see her in flashbacks (pre Great war + up till how she became "Moldaver"), while Rose might be alive (no body, no on screen death, no confirmation of anything)..
Although, likely, Rose is dead too, only likely too, did not happen the way Moldaver said..
While you’re probably right about Moldaver being dead going forward, I would wouldn’t put it past them to have a scene that follows the capture of the Observatory where the clerics arrive, see the cold fusion equipment, and order medics to revive and stabilize Moldaver so that they can question her about the equipment and the science involved.
@@IrresoluteCartographer I don't know. BoS does not care about Moldaver. They care about the Enclave, and the Enclave took this tech before war (Barb's division of Vault Tec bought the research, including Moldaver's company. And Barb is in the Enclave), reason why cold fusion was very limited use (powers G.E.C.K.s, and maybe some top Enclave stuff), and why only few vaults had G.E.C.K.s (Garden of Eden Creation Kit) which are practically "terraformers", and reason why BoS is talking about: "making the World better, EDEN or whatever" (the way Max interpreted what he heard, learned or was taught), and the reason why BoS is monitoring the Enclave, intercepted all the intel about this, and sent the Prydwen from Boston to LA, organizing across continent operation to get this. We see only "western BoS" (not even that) and through lowest grunt perspective mostly in the show, but do not get confused: as Thaddeus who is a grunt, only more aware said: IT'S THE BROTHERHOOD! THEY'LL FIND OUT, and meant litarally what he said, no hiden message. And we saw in the end, how they scanned the head for "it", meaning they know exactly what "it" is, and what "it" does. So this cold fusion was inevitably going to end in BoS possession, directly or indirectly (how they took over Observatory, would take over any other location, facility, base, town, no mater who/how nor what). It was obvious by the reveal of BoS operation scale in ep1, although, the show distracted from it quite well via "grunt perspective", following Max, Thadd, Dane, and audience mostly "fell" for it, or got distracted, so show avoided being predictable and obvious for the most, but not all. Some saw it, clear as a day.
It definitely feels like they rushed the finale, but to be fair abt house at the vault tec meeting he doesn't propose any ideas like the other ceos do and doesnt agree to anything, robco also worked with vault tec on the pip boy so it stands to reason he would meet with them if they wanted to offer him a proposition