625. Both are on the large side for carry pieces. I see them as big bore fun at the range and the 625 gets the nod for it's classic good looks. If you wanted to keep it loaded for around the house, a revolver has no springs under compression and will cycle past bad ammo with a second trigger pull.
I consider both carryable, especially during colder months. To me the 625 also gets the nod. Everything you said, AND it can fire .45 Super ammo with no modifications. No worries about bad mags or any of that. Both have excellent triggers, though different. I like the versatility of a revolver trigger though. A good revolver DA trigger is great, and a revolver SA trigger is amazing. The 1911 may have the best SA trigger of any autoloader, but it still isn't as good as a revolver's SA trigger.
No handgun has ever felt as good in my hands as a 625 with a 5-inch barrel.....really want to handle 4 inch, and 5 inch models at the same time for comparison.
The 1911 is a reasonable concealed carry gun and I have carried one concealed. The S&W 625 is an N-Frame and that is a big gun, basically the same frame size as the S&W 29 of Dirty Harry fame. The 3 inch barrel on the 625 makes it acceptable for large men or in colder weather. But I really like both guns and some 1911 pistols are a lot more accurate and more reliable than others. For open carry in the field I would opt for the 625, so both guns have their uses and both shoot the excellent .45ACP round.
Leaving springs compressed doesn’t really hurt them.. it’s the repeated compressing and relieving that wears springs out , at least that’s what I read but I haven’t actually tested it myself
I believe it was Jeff Cooper or Clint Smith that said,” No matter what language you speak, the muzzle end of a 45 is universal for saying f*** off”. Or something to that extent.
I've always made the decision to keep my 45 ACP S&W 625 Mountain Gun (4" revolver). I have owned several 1911's and Commanders over the past few decades, but all of them eventually are sold or traded off. The S&W 625 Mountain Gun never leaves, and I cannot foresee a reason it will ever leave my collection!
The 625 is my keeper. Digests ALL ammo including reduced loads for training others, simpler manual of arms and (drum roll) you can work it with one hand ONE HAND if you have to. Thanks for the video.
Reloading a revolver with one hand can be done albeit slower and less fluid and quite clunky. Reloading a 1911 is much easier even with one hand. One can even rack the slide pushing the muzzle against a table edge, hooking the rear ledge sight on a belt or off the heel of your boot or shoe.
It can also shoot very weak loads that wouldnt work in a semi auto. And on the other end even 45 Super should work. Is the 625 rated for 45 Super? AT least they would chamber.
I have both...(lucky me!). Between these I'd choose the S&W simply because I tend to shoot revolvers more accurately than autos. (BTW..My 625 has a Performance Center trigger job. That might explain the difference.)
I own both guns and it is a tough decision. My choice would be the revolver because of the way you have to carry the 1911 in condition one. Drawing, getting the safeties off (grip and thumb) when carrying the 1911 is not as sure as with a revolver. If you don't get the grip right, the grip safety does not always release. Also you need to practice the thumb down on the frame safety to get that right. If a revolver, it is just draw and shoot. Nice video.
N Frame Smiths are superb. Yes they’re large, heavy and have limited capacity, BUT they are also beautiful, accurate, reliable, durable, iconic works of true craftsmanship . . . and who really requires more than six rounds (especially with loads such as .45 Colt, .45 ACP, .44 magnum, 10mm, or .41 magnum). I recall one firearm’s pundit who replied to the revolver’s capacity limitations with the remark, “unless you plan to miss a lot.” Perfectly correct.
We'd choose the 1911. We get the sense it will function reliably under harsh environments better. Plus it's easier to conceal and offers 33% more shots before a reload is necessary. Great video as always!
@@Guns_N_Gears and if you have a crimp jump? How about reloads? What happens when your cylinder locks up and refuses to spin? No tap, rack, bang with revolver.
@@nothim7321 asi said before, almost always but, it could also happen in a semi. This debate has been beaten to death 4 years, just like Chevy vs Ford. Some like em, some don't. God bless.
I have both weapons. but if I could have only one , I'd have to go with the 625. My reasons for this are... No mags to fail or become damaged. A revolver is more likely to fire all kinds of ammo ( including reloads). Both are excellent weapons !
The revolver has greater versatility to include 45 auto rim and 45acp shotshells and target loads with 100% reliability. If this 625 was 45 Colt, rather than only 625 45 ACP, it would be even more versatile compared to any autoloader in that sense.
The DA revolver will get reloaded a LOT more quickly if the moon/speedloader is carried on the right side and manipulated by the right hand. This is regardless of the shooter's handedness. The revo is opened, held in the left hand with the index and pinky outside the window and the middle and ring fingers inside the window, stabilizing the cylinder. The muzzle is turned up and the extractor rod stroked with the thumb. While this is going on, the right hand is acquiring the fresh moon (or speedloader). The muzzle is turned down (gravity is our friend) and the moon of fresh loads is inserted; if a speedloader is involved, it's dropped as soon as the rounds are released. The right hand reacquires a firing grip as the left thumb closes the cylinder, and the weapon is ready to fire. With this method, given some time spent drilling, the reload with moon clips should be around 3 to 4 seconds and with the speedloader, 4 to 5 seconds.
1911 all day long. Easy to carry and I'm a short guy. Use a good holster and a solid weapon carrying belt. Fast mag change instead of fumbling with full moon clips. Mags are flat and i can keep several in my back pocket. My 1911s rotate nightstand duty and I change magazines once a week. I also use wilson 10 round magazines. No mag spring under constant compression. I also keep it loaded, empty chamber so no hammer spring compressed. When I lived in Los Angeles, I kept it cocked and locked, condition 1. Crime was out of control and home invasion robberies was through the roof.
Interesting question, and I am going to cheat in my answer. For everyday use in peacetime I would take a revolver, but it would be a S&W 686 in .357 Magnum, as I find that round fits the revolver paradigm better than .45 ACP for a variety of uses, and it offers more options and ease of loading without the necessity to use moon clips. However, for combat duty, I would take the 1911 because I could field strip it and clean it without specialized tools.
Truth in advertising: I’ve got both 1911’s and big bore revolvers. Though I love my 1911’s if it came down to only one...its going to be the revolver. Why? 1) Magazine issues are non-existent 2) The “magazine” is incorporated into the firearm for simplicity of operation. 3) Single action trigger presses can be made to break like glass. And 4) From my experience I find that Teaching a rank novice basic handgun safety & marksmanship is markedly more efficient using revolvers. This isn’t an inditement on the 1911 by any means; as I’ve owned many & enjoyed them. But I must say I have never had a ftf in any of my revolvers.
I would chose the 625 because of reliability. Bad ammo, pull the trigger again vs clearing the jam drill with 1911. Also brass retention. Try shooting a semi auto in a close environment. Good probability of slipping on ejected brass. Profile of the 1911 is increased during firing. 3” behind the gun has to be clear for it to function to allow the slide to function. Additional weaknesses of the 1911 is the magazine and its components like springs, dirt in the magazine, etc.
I lucked out on two 625s (as well as a few Colt 1911s). Well the 3 inch 625-3 with .45 ACP loads, even +P, are just very very accurate and not much kick.) The 5 inch 625-4, with .45 Supers, and outstanding. 1100 fps with 230s makes it a .41 magnum. Both are more accurate than any .45 I have except my Kimber Gold Match MK 1 (yes one... and early Kimber that shoots like a rifle.) If I had to just keep one... it would be that 3 inch 625. It handles very well.
I have both the 1911 and a JM 625. For hunting, I prefer the 625 because the cartridge can be loaded to the energies of that of a .44 Rem Mag whereas the 1911 can only be slightly increased. I have won the competition with the 625 but never the 1911.
Harold, another great video. Thank you. Man you bring up some interesting topics or "comparisons ". I own several 1911s of which a couple are "high end" versions, so you know I love my 1911s. I also understand the "high capacity " and "consealment" argument, of which will be a topic of debate long after I'm gone. I also, many years ago, decided "shot placement " was the more important issue in my opinion. I like you are also a big "wheel gun" fan. I also own a regulatory shoot a couple of S&W 25-2s. These are fabulous revolvers that are, with the proper bullet size and hand loads very, very accurate revolvers. One advantage you did not mention in your video was with all the practice drills many of us do, and in your and my case, you do not loose so much brass with the revolver.This is important to me as a hand loader. It would be very hard for me, if it came right down to it, to decide between one over the other. Again thank you for taking your time to create these very informative videos.
You’re welcome! I’m glad you like my videos. I enjoyed making this one quite a bit. I try to come up with subjects that will appeal to people and help make them part of the conversation. That way we all learn from each other’s experience and knowledge. Thanks again!
I choose the revolver. I have a S&W 1917 army. Loaded with round nose bullets in full moon clips one can drop the reload into the cylinder very quickly. The original military clips were half moon 3 round clips and now some prefer the 2 round quarter moon clips for tactical reloads. .45 auto rim cartridges are available so one can dispense with the moon clips altogether. The revolver can also take advantage of semi wad cutters and Kieth type bullets with or without hollow points. In short a wider range of bullet types will work making the revolver a better choice for the outdoorsman. A S&W N- frame like the model 625 is bulky to carry but positioned properly in a high and tight belt holster the revolver blends into the body for comfortable concealed carry.
Great video, with a lot to consider. It would be hard to pick just one of the pistols. I like them both. The round count could certainly come into play. More ammo is a good thing. Although, I really enjoy shooting a 45 ACP pistol. I have a couple 1911's and a couple 45 ACP's. It would be necessary for me to do a lot more time at the range to make a GOOD choice. By the way, your shooting is superb. Thanks for taking the time on this video. It was very interesting.
It’s very hard to compare due to the fact that I love bought guns. I have a S&W 686 and a Ruger Speed Six...and I will be purchasing pretty soon a Remington 1911 A1.
I had a 4506 sw that I was shooting on the range in southern Arizona in the middle of the summer and it jammed. I now have a 625-3 5 inch barrel sw that has never jammed. 4506 - 8 shot clips......625 6 shot Barrell. If you can't hit your target with 6 shots, you d better go home, or do a lot more shooting.
Speaking as a handloader, retired LE & MIL weapons instructor and current LE competitive shooter, two other comparison aspects are teachability and ammo flexibility. The local match circuit has auto and revo divisions, and I shoot a match grade frankengun 1911 and a 625-8 JM in those. The match uses a B27, so the focus is to stay in that X-ring. The ammo for the job is the lightest - recoiling load we can work up. I’d been shooting a 686 but loaded a batch of 45 that was just shy of running my 1911, so I got the 625 to shoot that ammo up. It shot so well I retired the 686. I also got some AutoRim brass and have some loads that mimic 45 Colt and 45 Bulldogs. The weight of the lugged 625 lets me shoot the heavier bullets more comfortably than my 45LC mountain gun. When I hunt or woodswalk, there are big diamondbacks so functionality with shotcap loads are a priority, and the 625 wins there. The revo is a bit quicker to teach to beginning shooters and I have grandkids coming up. The 625-8’s hillary lock did lock itself up on me - luckily during practice and not at a match or on duty - and I had to secure the range and go home to find the key. A little surgery has corrected that problem permanently but I’m still steamed about it. Both are great as duty/carry weapons - my build allows me to easily conceal either - but my night shift & bedside pistol is the XD45 with its 13 shot magazines and light rail. I’ve kept this short, but if you’d like for me to elaborate on any of these or other points, please just message me.
Thanks Ed! Your points are all well taken. For the record, I think you are right. When it comes to ammo flexibility and teaching an inexpeineced shooter, the revolver is hard to beat. Thanks for watching!
UPDATE: I got tired of loading powder puff ammo for the 45LC mountain gun versus the ability of my blackhawks and R92 to handle near-Casull loads, and traded it off for an AR9. Only S&W I've ever let go. I'd like to see a video on the 45 AutoRim, playing on the versatility of handloading it for the 625.
I have multiple copies of both but for total functionally, I would stick with the 625 because using the .45 Auto Rim brass, I can load it into a package that would work for hunting medium game such as deer. But the question is moot since I have copies of both and would choose the one most applicable to the need.
625 or 1911. That’s tough. I’ve owned both. I think it would depend on what kind of 1911 we’re talking about. If it’s just a mil spec basic cheap 1911 I’ll go with 625. If we’re talking about a more up graded a little bit more tuned 1911 I’ll go with that. Both great guns though. Cool video.
I think I would choose the 1911 due to the availability of parts in the event of a failure, or just plain maintenance of the pistol. I love my revolvers, but in an “Only One” scenario, I would take a semi-auto over a wheel gun.
1911 Quicker on target in fast shooting drills Quicker reloads. And I don’t want to mess with moon clips. Again my experience. Plus i have a bias against auto loading cartridges in a revolver. And I love the feel of a 1911. Again a bias for the 1911
to mess with moon clips? Man, if you will be involved in some firefight with serious guys or gang(not being other gang member or cop ) - you are dead no matter with 1911 or 625. Against some drunk bully or 2-3 of them your right behaviour and first shots outcome. If being alone you have to reload your gun in a firefighting against a group - 99% you are a corpse if you last the shootup. So for regular dude(the key word 'regular') the fast reloading is not an actual thing
Great video and really, I think it boils down to which handgun the owner is more comfortable with. I own and regularly shoot both revolvers and semi autos, so I'm very familiar with both. I don't personally consider the larger capacity of a semi auto necessarily as large a benefit over the 5, 6, 7 or even 8 round capacity of a revolver as some do, from a civilian personal defense situation. In a military combat situation, sure- more is always better. But a civilian personal defense situation is different because 99% of the time the goal is a break of contact with the perp. If 5-8 shots won't do it (and realistically, 1 is generally sufficient) chances are 8-15 won't either. But from a sheer simplistic point-and-bang consideration, I feel that a revolver is the clear winner. No safeties to fool with, no finicky magazines to fool with, no unintentional partially ejected magazines to be concerned with, no failures to feed or extract to fool with, and with the revolver- you can use ANY ammunition of that caliber. From mild wadcutters to hot defense loads or even specialty shotshells- a revolver digests it all with aplomb.
I have the RIA/Armscor 1911 A2 Hi-Cap. It's a Para clone and can take the P14-45 magazines (only 10 rounds in CA) but it's all steel and quite heavy. Even with its GI WW2 sights, you can easily hit the 50 yards steel plates and so far, it is very reliable. Recoil is very manageable also due to its weight.
I have seen people forget to load the chamber and or leave the safety on less likely on the 6 shooter , but I have seen people start with an empty revolver . I have also seen well known U tuber that is very skilled , holster in quick draw drills a DA/SA SIG . Hammer cocked !!! the gun didn't fire lucky for him .
Both are highly accurate, both are reliable if you use some good sense. The semi-auto is the winner. All law enforcement and military have moved from revolvers to semi-autos. The military chose the 1911 over the revolver for WW1. Reloads are faster, shooting is faster. Most people would do better on qualification tests with the 1911. Even the highly trained would probably be more proficient with the 1911 given equal time on both platforms.
Not surprised you got it with 1911 . 625 has always intrigued me because it being 45acp . Fine shooting Hr . I’m getting caught up on some of older videos.
Great video. I've never fired a .45 ACP revolver but I do own a S&W Model 28 and the trigger on it, shooting double action, is a beast. Double action on my Python is a different story and much smoother. I also own a WWII era 1911 that was rebuilt by Springfield Armory in the fifties and the trigger on it is stock, but if I had to choose between the 1911 and the S&W Model 28 I'd go with the 1911 just because of ease of reload and mag capacity. With the Python it's a different story though. Different calibers I know, so it really is off topic for your video but the Python is in a whole different class as far as I'm concerned. On point about my 1911 is that I only shoot military ball ammo in it because I have been told that the ramp may cause feeding problems with modern HP ammo and i don't want to alter it in any way. As usual, thanks for your videos. I really enjoy watching them.
Great video (as always). I , like you prefer the 1911 but the 625 (which I have) feels so good in my hand. My 1917 however has a very heavy trigger so target shooting is really difficult, and being lighter recoils more.
Frank, you owe it to yourself and that grand 1917 to spend a couple bucks on a good spring kit and some internal polishing. If you can't afford to have a 'smith do it, there are some good videos on where/how to polish the related parts. I've taken in several S&Ws that acted like Chevrolets til I lavished the Cadillac treatment on them.
Difficult decision to make. I have a S & W model 25 with both .45 ACP and .45 LC cylinders and a Springfield Armory Range Officer. It might be the model 25 with options for the two calibers. Still the SARO is a "tack driver" for me.
Im gonna say id choose a 1911(although not mil spec) over any .45acp handgun every day of the week! With that said i have quite a lot of experience with both of these guns. I owned the 625 model of 1989 for many years. It served mostly as my bowling pin gun in the revolver class in local matches for many years! That thing digested thousands upon thousands of rounds of a handloaded 255gr rnfp .45 colt bullet at@800 fps in both practice and competition. Those moon clips and that bullet profile made reloads slick and fast and id say at the time i could probably reload it just as fast as an autoloader. Back then i was shooting both revolver and service pistol class and an old colt (heavily modified was my autoloader of choice. It used the same handload(nothing carted pins off the back of the table like those heavy slow soft lead slugs) both of those guns also started my love affair with the .45 super which i still shoot regularly today. And both of them also accounted for whitetails on a couple of occasions. As far as choosing one over the other, the 1911 gets the nod because its what I shoot better than anything else. With good sights and a little trigger work it can easily match the revolver for precision shots(which it cannot in mil spec format youre using in this video) and it enjoys the capacity advantage as well as the ability to quickly top off load. Magazines are easier to carry than moon clips and also easier to load and dont need to be unloaded(moon clips suck to unload) where the revolver shines is its far less ammunition sensitive and easily handles any bullet profile/load level/bullet weight equally well. It also comes right out of the box with excellent sights and a nice crisp single action trigger! I wish i still had that gun! Ironically i now EDC a Remington 1911 as well. Although its an enhanced commander that is completely custom and modified to shoot .45 super as well as .45acp. it is in my opinion the most versatile sidearm/caliber combination ive ever fired. Very accurate and reliable and is capable of handling any job you might NEED a handgun for in my neck of the woods. Nearly equalling the 10mm with bigger heavier bullets and shoots everything from 185, 200, 230 and 250gr bullets. Light loads through near magnum hardcast loads equally well.
I have several 1911 45s (Including an STI Staccato R...if they ever ship it) but I'm using my 325 Thunder Ranch 45 Revolver for the next year in ASI and IDPA competition. That darned thing is just too fun!
My preference would be for a .45 ACP double-action revolver as a home defense weapon, like the 625 or Redhawk, and a modern single-stack compact .45 ACP concealed carry weapon, like the Springfield XDs or Sig Sauer P320 Compact, both with the same personal defense specific ammunition.
Unless a person is an dedicated 1911 user or practitioner the Revolver wins. One huge advantage of the revolver is its ability to digest any any and all types of ammo profiles and elevated power factors. The advantage of the 1911 has over the revolver is speed and carry amongst metro or population areas. It's easier to carry, lighter, easier to reload. If one is in a rural areas the revolver has more advantages
Trigger control is absolutely gun control , with my great trigger discipline along with the laser it’s been a great experience . Shot placement has improved 7 10 15 25 out 50 yards . I still have a great set of metal sights on each platform ( pistol , rifle) mostly night sights . I would not want to be totally dependent on a electronic system . I even thought about meprolight night sights for the 870 we discussed. Laser sights have been out for sometime now , I had one gun with a system that came stock, so I wanted to try a rail mounted one . Best results has been with a difficult pistol (glock27 ) to shoot and get great shot placement 3 to 4 inches groups at best at any distance , now have tightened up 2 to 2.5 . Same with another 40 glock 23 . The sig carry 1911r 45acp ( r meaning rail) improved groups to 1 inch at 20 yards , its commander length 4.25 , always been a great shooter made better . These results came this evening 1 hour before night fall . I get long winded at times sorry , but was excited with results . K
I keep thinking about adding a 610 to my collection. I’m not sure it will do anything one of my current wheelguns doesn’t already do, but I think it would be kind of a cool compliment to my 10mm semi-autos.
I own Colt Gold Cup and a 5" 625. Love both. 1911 for rapid fire target shooting no question for me. Single shot accuracy about the same. At the range I don't have to chase down my brass with the revolver (I reload). One huge advantage for revolver is ability to shoot practice loads (wax or rubber bullets for indoors). Obviously a 1911 can not cycle a fake bullet. (Note: be careful with rubber bullets indoors if you miss the backstop the damn thing will bounce all over the place, LOL)
@@hrfunk LOL you are right. Had a cardboard box setup to catch the rubber bullet and it went through and bounced all over the place. Hard to believe a large pistol primer generated that much force.
Tough choice. But, I would have to go with a S&W Model 625 in snubbie. 1. for the increased reliability of a revolver (yes, a moot point) and 2.S&W brand. Also, would open carry it and am a big believer in "open carry is a deterrent".
I find I can grip the revolver better with greater control than the 1911. I would take the revolver because it easier for me! It’s subjective though as someone else would be opposite from me and prefer the 1911. Good video.
I see this as purpose driven. If I wanted to hunt with either of these the 625 would be my pick as hot ammo would be pretty effective on game like wild boar, the revolver too for home defense especially for those not real familiar or comfortable with self loading handguns. Concealed carry the 1911. I have used a 1911 for decades and remain very comfortable with the weapon in an array of calibers, an old reliable companion.
Great video. I enjoy your videos. My preference is on the double action revolver. I think based on your results, the revolver is still my best option. I train regularly with a Ruger Security Six and S&W Model 36 so I think it is whatever you shoot well...
Not necessarily that 1911. But a 1911 would be my choice over the 625. Even though the 625 is way more reliable than a 1911. I think I'd rather have a higher capacity. There are after market mags for a 1911 allowing a person to carry 10+1. If I carry a 5 shot revolver, it's going to be something easily concealed. Excellent video by the way. Really put me in between a rock and a hard place.
No replacement of a 1911 has been made yet. Nothing rivals it in pointablity... Nothing rivals the trigger... Nothing rivals it in accuracy. PERIOD! "You get 13 rounds in a Glock"... And the pointablity of it may require all 13 rounds. The 1911 is a natural pointer. Trigger and accuracy go hand in hand. No pistol can touch a just ok 1911 trigger... It's what it is. I own more than a couple poly wonders, and not one shoots better than any of my 1911's. Even my 10mm 1911's shoots smoother than my Glock 22. Actually... Today at the Las Vegas Shooting Park I made a 62 year old 5'1" 110lbs. Asian woman want to buy a 10mm RIA Tactical II after she swore never to shoot another 10mm after firing a Glock 20. Why??? Because the 1911 just shoots and feels better. Not hating on the striker fired pistols at all. I love to shoot most of them. The 1911 just shoots better.
I'll have to disagree completely. This is entirely subjective because the reality is that there are any number of polymer guns that can out perform a stock 1911 anytime. Accuracy? Stock 1911s I've shot have no better than serviceable accuracy. Trigger? Same. Pointability? That's a personal preference. Hec, holding one is a personal preference. I have never come across a stock 1911 that was comfortable to hold and shoot. Now, customized 1911 pistols, that's a different ballgame but that would apply to anything that has been tuned and customized.
My 625-2 is the best. Got a coffee can full of full moon clips. THE BEST 45s ARE SIX-GUNS. Also got a Ruger Blackhawk 45 with a 45 ACP extra cylinder. Best auto 45 was the old Smith 4506. Beats a 1911 anyday of the week. I totally hate 1911s. They good for SQUAT, in my expert opinion. I once used a 1911 for a paperweight and it failed even that. I had papers flying around all over the house. As they floated and flew all over every room in the house, they were laughing and saying, "He tried to hold us down with a 1911! How cute is that!!" A revolver is ALWAYS a better choice than a 1911. I know this is kind of a long post here, but since I dumped my last 1911 years ago, and consequently don't have to worry about the constant maintenance and repair issues with the old clunker, I seem to have a lot more time on my hands.
Good program HR. I tend to look at them as quite different items for quite different purposes. For everyday carry in ordinary environment the 1911 wins hands down,, long term field use is something else entirely and I'd take the 625. Something that can't be addressed in a video like this is versatility and ease of use long term. I have spent a year in the stix with minimal support, shooting a lot of small game and a couple of large with the handgun. The ammo I used to hunt wabbits and ptarmigan wouldn't cycle an auto, and the stuff I carried for defense would eat an auto. In that environment the revolver shines. Average Joe will seldom have those opportunities
I am a fan of the 1911 but I watched the video because I am thinking about buying a 625 in 45acp. Good job shooting and explaining the differences without bias. I am not sure I will be able conceal carry the 625. It looks too big and heavy but looks like it would be fun to shoot.
It is fun to shoot. Concealed carry is not really the purpose of the 625, but if someone really wants to hide an N-frame, it is possible. That said, the 625 is much more at home in a duty holster.
I decided to get the Performance Center S&W 325 Thunder Ranch with a 4'' barrel. It is an N frame but a lighter alloy. I may be able carry this in a shoulder rig. Thanks for your reply.
Watched it again, very good, two classics. Best I was ever able to do was 6.2 seconds with a 6 inch python from a holster fire 6- .357 magnum rounds, reload fire six more on target at 7 yards. First generation I think safety holster. I have a buddy who killed multiple wild boar with a 1911 .45 , shot placement of course but can do the job.
I would also choose the 625 for several reasons. The sights and trigger are superior and the revolver is far more versatile due to the .45 auto rim option. I handload and shoot auto rim exclusively in my 625 and 1917's. No messing with moon clips and the revolver will accept any bullet that either the .45 ACP or .45 Colt can utilize. Properly loaded, a 625 is a very viable big game revolver.
would you agree if a situation occurs where reloaded ammo is the only option, the revolver 625 will be deemed a more reliable and dependable weapon without malfunctions?
Another good video.. In my case I would substitute the M&P 45c for the 1911. For edc I prefer it over my Thunder Ranch 22-4. Revolver.. However I'll take the 22-4 in the field with me OWB carry.. Both are great platforms.. Glad I don't have to choose.. Comes down to preferance I guess.. Good video.
To answer your question I'd take the 1911 (or a Sig P220). Outside of WWI origin I never have figured out why there is the models 25/625. If I'm going to carry a N frame it'll be one of the magnums or the 45 Colt. More bang for the bulk. If I going to carry a 45 ACP it'll be an autoloader. More bangs for the lighter cartridge.
The one advantage the 45 ACP has in the N-Frame revolver over the 45 Colt is the ability to load/reload with full-moon clips. Reloads with them are nearly as fast as reloading a semi-auto.
Either works, but that's with combat style shooting. More than likely you will have to do some one handed shooting so I will go with the 1911 as it shoots well even in weak hand.
I think either can be fired effectively with the non-dominant hand. One thing to consider along those lines is that the 625 is not going to malfunction if the shooter manages to limp-wrist it with the off hand.
I love 1911s even sleep with the vary same one every night that i saved my life with 50 years ago in Vietnam. Have several. But my fave gun is one of my 625 5" S&W.
I own 2 625s, 4 1911s in 45ACP, and 1 CZ97B. And a Ruger Blackhawk in 3.5” barrel. If I was limited to only 1 gun for everything, I’d have to go with a S&W mountain gun in .44 mag.
@@hrfunk I had a 44 at one time. I'm a bit too old for a gun with that kind of recoil now. I have a 357 Mountain Gun with seven round capacity. That and the 45 are more my style. BTW: Really great video.
One thing I can say definitively, is that in the years I was a gunsmith in NYC, when the revolver was king of law enforcement, the vast majority of repairs, which numbered in the thousands (yes, really) were revolvers. When NYPD went to semi-auto pistols, the numbers of repairs dropped dramatically. This is simply fact. A revolver is much easier to damage in the course of duty. Does this mean revolvers win? I'll tell you what wins, absolute proficiency with the firearm you chose to carry.
Great video. Love your very realistic perspective. If you are really asking which .45 platform I would rather have it would be the 1911, That's assuming I had other guns in other calibers (primarily my 686 plus with 3 inch barrel and any of the numerous Glock 19 size 9mms). However if you are asking which I would choose if I could only have one handgun it would be the revolver because of its versatility and the variety of loads it can handle
Bill The premise is a little “tongue in cheek” and mostly it’s a mechanism to facilitate discussion. Nevertheless, the idea is that you can have only one handgun chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge for all your handgun shooting needs.
Sure I would have enjoyed that comparison due to lack of revolver experience. My latest experiment has been with crimson Trace lasers with startling results.
My choice: the 625, for my bedside gun. What I love about revolvers is how easily you can demonstrate an unloaded condition. when the cylinder is open you see right through
It's the 625 for me as I've never cared for 1911s. Bought mine in '89. 5" barrel and had it blackened by Robar replaced that god-awful pachmyer grip with Herrett Jordan stocks. It's a magnificent shooter and my current pillow gun. Wish I had it in 3-4 " barrel
None of us are Jerry Miculek, nor Bob Munson. ;) I think the revolver is generally more reliable, but you bring up a good point if repairs are needed in that you can swap-out parts on a 1911 pretty easily (if it's not a custom-shop gun). Still a tough choice!
Have and shoot both. The 625 is an easy to shoot pistol and, for a revolver, real easy to reload withe 3 or 6 revolver clips. I would really not feel under armed with a 625 in a life or death shooting situation but, in such a situation, I would give the nod to one of my 1911s. In your videos, you illustrated the slight advantage in reloading. A 1911 is always single action but a secondary action or specific thumb action in the 625. Good vidios. Thanks
The 625 revolver is a fine shooting firearm as I have had one. It is the moon clips that I find as the limiting factor. So I would have to go with the 1911 if there was world disaster the ACP ammo would be easier to find.
The 1911 will jam...but the 624 will not jam! If only one handgun I can own, sure the Revolver! But I will choose m686 8 rounds.357 model, it much better than the 45 Acp.
Something else as well if you’re in a survival situation I think the moon clips are a weakness for the 625. It’s so easy to damage those especially under rough conditions and if you can’t replace those you could have problems. Advantage 1911.
I don't have the 625. But I do have several $&W Stainless. 1911 would be my Choice for EDC, Hands Down. I have my Reasons. AS Always THANKS for A Great video.
Hard to answer this question: I love my 1911 Essex, I love my S&W 625 model of 1989, Il love my CZ 97 B and I do love my brand new S&W M&P 45 M2.0... The model 625 is the one I shoot the best, cause I'm a revolver guy, I guess...
Share your thoughts on those type of devices and do you have any experience with them . When I bought my 638 it already had a lasermax already mounted to the frame and didn’t change my holster arrangement. I really didn’t appreciate it until the grip update which was last week . K
Very interesting Video! I personally, am more practiced with a 1911 than a Revolver so, I would be much better with the Semi-Auto than the Wheel Gun. You are one heck of a Marksman! 😎
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625. Both are on the large side for carry pieces. I see them as big bore fun at the range and the 625 gets the nod for it's classic good looks. If you wanted to keep it loaded for around the house, a revolver has no springs under compression and will cycle past bad ammo with a second trigger pull.
Exactly my thoughts.
I consider both carryable, especially during colder months. To me the 625 also gets the nod. Everything you said, AND it can fire .45 Super ammo with no modifications. No worries about bad mags or any of that. Both have excellent triggers, though different. I like the versatility of a revolver trigger though. A good revolver DA trigger is great, and a revolver SA trigger is amazing. The 1911 may have the best SA trigger of any autoloader, but it still isn't as good as a revolver's SA trigger.
No handgun has ever felt as good in my hands as a 625 with a 5-inch barrel.....really want to handle 4 inch, and 5 inch models at the same time for comparison.
The 1911 is a reasonable concealed carry gun and I have carried one concealed. The S&W 625 is an N-Frame and that is a big gun, basically the same frame size as the S&W 29 of Dirty Harry fame. The 3 inch barrel on the 625 makes it acceptable for large men or in colder weather. But I really like both guns and some 1911 pistols are a lot more accurate and more reliable than others. For open carry in the field I would opt for the 625, so both guns have their uses and both shoot the excellent .45ACP round.
Leaving springs compressed doesn’t really hurt them.. it’s the repeated compressing and relieving that wears springs out , at least that’s what I read but I haven’t actually tested it myself
I believe it was Jeff Cooper or Clint Smith that said,” No matter what language you speak, the muzzle end of a 45 is universal for saying f*** off”. Or something to that extent.
Soylent Green you can’t argue with that!
Love the 45 I agree
That sounds 100% like something Clint Smith would say, haha
Sounds like a Clint-ism to me. He is right, of course.
I've always made the decision to keep my 45 ACP S&W 625 Mountain Gun (4" revolver). I have owned several 1911's and Commanders over the past few decades, but all of them eventually are sold or traded off. The S&W 625 Mountain Gun never leaves, and I cannot foresee a reason it will ever leave my collection!
I've got the .44 Magnum version, and I understand what you mean.
I have the LC model and recently had it adapted for moon clips
For me, 1911 for the accuracy, rate of fire, ease of carry, and reload capability. No question.
The 625 is my keeper. Digests ALL ammo including reduced loads for training others, simpler manual of arms and (drum roll) you can work it with one hand ONE HAND if you have to. Thanks for the video.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
It's way easier to reload a semi auto 1 handed than a revolver.
One of the justifications for the change to the 1911 was just that: Cavalrymen would be able to reload while riding.
Reloading a revolver with one hand can be done albeit slower and less fluid and quite clunky. Reloading a 1911 is much easier even with one hand. One can even rack the slide pushing the muzzle against a table edge, hooking the rear ledge sight on a belt or off the heel of your boot or shoe.
It can also shoot very weak loads that wouldnt work in a semi auto. And on the other end even 45 Super should work. Is the 625 rated for 45 Super? AT least they would chamber.
I have both...(lucky me!). Between these I'd choose the S&W simply because I tend to shoot revolvers more accurately than autos. (BTW..My 625 has a Performance Center trigger job. That might explain the difference.)
I own both guns and it is a tough decision. My choice would be the revolver because of the way you have to carry the 1911 in condition one. Drawing, getting the safeties off (grip and thumb) when carrying the 1911 is not as sure as with a revolver. If you don't get the grip right, the grip safety does not always release. Also you need to practice the thumb down on the frame safety to get that right. If a revolver, it is just draw and shoot.
Nice video.
Zogger52 Thank you, and thanks for the comment!
N Frame Smiths are superb. Yes they’re large, heavy and have limited capacity, BUT they are also beautiful, accurate, reliable, durable, iconic works of true craftsmanship . . . and who really requires more than six rounds (especially with loads such as .45 Colt, .45 ACP, .44 magnum, 10mm, or .41 magnum). I recall one firearm’s pundit who replied to the revolver’s capacity limitations with the remark, “unless you plan to miss a lot.” Perfectly correct.
"If the first six doesn't solve your problem, what makes you think the next 6 will?"
We'd choose the 1911. We get the sense it will function reliably under harsh environments better. Plus it's easier to conceal and offers 33% more shots before a reload is necessary. Great video as always!
Thank you!
My vote is for the revolver.
They always go boom when needed.
Having fired both, neither is 100%.
@@nothim7321 correct, but even with bad ammo, the trigger can at least be pulled again.
So to be more accurate, I should have said, almost always
@@Guns_N_Gears and if you have a crimp jump? How about reloads? What happens when your cylinder locks up and refuses to spin? No tap, rack, bang with revolver.
@@nothim7321 asi said before, almost always but, it could also happen in a semi.
This debate has been beaten to death 4 years, just like Chevy vs Ford.
Some like em, some don't. God bless.
I have both weapons. but if I could have only one , I'd have to go with the 625. My reasons for this are...
No mags to fail or become damaged. A revolver is more likely to fire all kinds of ammo ( including reloads). Both are excellent weapons !
Great video, very informative and well done...though I like the 1911, the 625 would be my choice due to the functionality...
kenkong4545 The absolute simplicity of the D/A revolver is a BIG attribute.
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The revolver has greater versatility to include 45 auto rim and 45acp shotshells and target loads with 100% reliability. If this 625 was 45 Colt, rather than only 625 45 ACP, it would be even more versatile compared to any autoloader in that sense.
Compliments on your production including your accuracy and clarity of communication. Much appreciated.
The DA revolver will get reloaded a LOT more quickly if the moon/speedloader is carried on the right side and manipulated by the right hand. This is regardless of the shooter's handedness. The revo is opened, held in the left hand with the index and pinky outside the window and the middle and ring fingers inside the window, stabilizing the cylinder. The muzzle is turned up and the extractor rod stroked with the thumb. While this is going on, the right hand is acquiring the fresh moon (or speedloader). The muzzle is turned down (gravity is our friend) and the moon of fresh loads is inserted; if a speedloader is involved, it's dropped as soon as the rounds are released. The right hand reacquires a firing grip as the left thumb closes the cylinder, and the weapon is ready to fire. With this method, given some time spent drilling, the reload with moon clips should be around 3 to 4 seconds and with the speedloader, 4 to 5 seconds.
1911 all day long. Easy to carry and I'm a short guy. Use a good holster and a solid weapon carrying belt. Fast mag change instead of fumbling with full moon clips. Mags are flat and i can keep several in my back pocket. My 1911s rotate nightstand duty and I change magazines once a week. I also use wilson 10 round magazines. No mag spring under constant compression. I also keep it loaded, empty chamber so no hammer spring compressed. When I lived in Los Angeles, I kept it cocked and locked, condition 1. Crime was out of control and home invasion robberies was through the roof.
Interesting question, and I am going to cheat in my answer. For everyday use in peacetime I would take a revolver, but it would be a S&W 686 in .357 Magnum, as I find that round fits the revolver paradigm better than .45 ACP for a variety of uses, and it offers more options and ease of loading without the necessity to use moon clips. However, for combat duty, I would take the 1911 because I could field strip it and clean it without specialized tools.
Good answer. That is precisely why I own both (as well as a686!). Thanks for the comment.
wonderful videos, keep up your great videos. Articulate and informative. Diamond in the rough. Thank you!
You’re welcome. Thank you for the kind words.
Truth in advertising: I’ve got both 1911’s and big bore revolvers. Though I love my 1911’s if it came down to only one...its going to be the revolver.
Why? 1) Magazine issues are non-existent 2) The “magazine” is incorporated into the firearm for simplicity of operation. 3) Single action trigger presses can be made to break like glass. And 4) From my experience I find that Teaching a rank novice basic handgun safety & marksmanship is markedly more efficient using revolvers.
This isn’t an inditement on the 1911 by any means; as I’ve owned many & enjoyed them. But I must say I have never had a ftf in any of my revolvers.
Nor have I. Thanks for a great comment!
I would chose the 625 because of reliability. Bad ammo, pull the trigger again vs clearing the jam drill with 1911. Also brass retention. Try shooting a semi auto in a close environment. Good probability of slipping on ejected brass. Profile of the 1911 is increased during firing. 3” behind the gun has to be clear for it to function to allow the slide to function. Additional weaknesses of the 1911 is the magazine and its components like springs, dirt in the magazine, etc.
Richard Snyder dirt in the cylinder is no problem?
I lucked out on two 625s (as well as a few Colt 1911s). Well the 3 inch 625-3 with .45 ACP loads, even +P, are just very very accurate and not much kick.) The 5 inch 625-4, with .45 Supers, and outstanding. 1100 fps with 230s makes it a .41 magnum. Both are more accurate than any .45 I have except my Kimber Gold Match MK 1 (yes one... and early Kimber that shoots like a rifle.) If I had to just keep one... it would be that 3 inch 625. It handles very well.
There is one good reason to choose a revolver. Same reason certain agencies and ops still use them to this day.
I have both the 1911 and a JM 625. For hunting, I prefer the 625 because the cartridge can be loaded to the energies of that of a .44 Rem Mag whereas the 1911 can only be slightly increased. I have won the competition with the 625 but never the 1911.
That match reminds Starsky & Hutch!
Harold, another great video. Thank you. Man you bring up some interesting topics or "comparisons ". I own several 1911s of which a couple are "high end" versions, so you know I love my 1911s. I also understand the "high capacity " and "consealment" argument, of which will be a topic of debate long after I'm gone. I also, many years ago, decided "shot placement " was the more important issue in my opinion. I like you are also a big "wheel gun" fan. I also own a regulatory shoot a couple of S&W 25-2s. These are fabulous revolvers that are, with the proper bullet size and hand loads very, very accurate revolvers. One advantage you did not mention in your video was with all the practice drills many of us do, and in your and my case, you do not loose so much brass with the revolver.This is important to me as a hand loader. It would be very hard for me, if it came right down to it, to decide between one over the other. Again thank you for taking your time to create these very informative videos.
You’re welcome! I’m glad you like my videos. I enjoyed making this one quite a bit. I try to come up with subjects that will appeal to people and help make them part of the conversation. That way we all learn from each other’s experience and knowledge. Thanks again!
I choose the revolver. I have a S&W 1917 army. Loaded with round nose bullets in full moon clips one can drop the reload into the cylinder very quickly. The original military clips were half moon 3 round clips and now some prefer the 2 round quarter moon clips for tactical reloads. .45 auto rim cartridges are available so one can dispense with the moon clips altogether. The revolver can also take advantage of semi wad cutters and Kieth type bullets with or without hollow points. In short a wider range of bullet types will work making the revolver a better choice for the outdoorsman. A S&W N- frame like the model 625 is bulky to carry but positioned properly in a high and tight belt holster the revolver blends into the body for comfortable concealed carry.
Great points! Score one (actually several) for the revolver!
My two favorites i own in 45acp..Colt gold cup and SW 625JM..good review
Thank you!
Great video, with a lot to consider. It would be hard to pick just one of the pistols. I like them both. The round count could certainly come into play. More ammo is a good thing. Although, I really enjoy shooting a 45 ACP pistol. I have a couple 1911's and a couple 45 ACP's. It would be necessary for me to do a lot more time at the range to make a GOOD choice.
By the way, your shooting is superb. Thanks for taking the time on this video. It was very interesting.
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment!
It’s very hard to compare due to the fact that I love bought guns.
I have a S&W 686 and a Ruger Speed Six...and I will be purchasing pretty soon a Remington 1911 A1.
I had a 4506 sw that I was shooting on the range in southern Arizona in the middle of the summer and it jammed. I now have a 625-3 5 inch barrel sw that has never jammed. 4506 - 8 shot clips......625 6 shot Barrell. If you can't hit your target with 6 shots, you d better go home, or do a lot more shooting.
I own both, 5" barrels but for Is ease of maintenance & 6 for sure I'd go with 625. Thanks for the video, I really enjoy them. 🇺🇸✝️🪖👍
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Speaking as a handloader, retired LE & MIL weapons instructor and current LE competitive shooter, two other comparison aspects are teachability and ammo flexibility. The local match circuit has auto and revo divisions, and I shoot a match grade frankengun 1911 and a 625-8 JM in those. The match uses a B27, so the focus is to stay in that X-ring. The ammo for the job is the lightest - recoiling load we can work up. I’d been shooting a 686 but loaded a batch of 45 that was just shy of running my 1911, so I got the 625 to shoot that ammo up. It shot so well I retired the 686. I also got some AutoRim brass and have some loads that mimic 45 Colt and 45 Bulldogs. The weight of the lugged 625 lets me shoot the heavier bullets more comfortably than my 45LC mountain gun. When I hunt or woodswalk, there are big diamondbacks so functionality with shotcap loads are a priority, and the 625 wins there. The revo is a bit quicker to teach to beginning shooters and I have grandkids coming up. The 625-8’s hillary lock did lock itself up on me - luckily during practice and not at a match or on duty - and I had to secure the range and go home to find the key. A little surgery has corrected that problem permanently but I’m still steamed about it. Both are great as duty/carry weapons - my build allows me to easily conceal either - but my night shift & bedside pistol is the XD45 with its 13 shot magazines and light rail. I’ve kept this short, but if you’d like for me to elaborate on any of these or other points, please just message me.
Thanks Ed! Your points are all well taken. For the record, I think you are right. When it comes to ammo flexibility and teaching an inexpeineced shooter, the revolver is hard to beat. Thanks for watching!
UPDATE: I got tired of loading powder puff ammo for the 45LC mountain gun versus the ability of my blackhawks and R92 to handle near-Casull loads, and traded it off for an AR9. Only S&W I've ever let go.
I'd like to see a video on the 45 AutoRim, playing on the versatility of handloading it for the 625.
I have multiple copies of both but for total functionally, I would stick with the 625 because using the .45 Auto Rim brass, I can load it into a package that would work for hunting medium game such as deer. But the question is moot since I have copies of both and would choose the one most applicable to the need.
That's the best way to go about it. Thanks for watching!
625 or 1911. That’s tough. I’ve owned both. I think it would depend on what kind of 1911 we’re talking about. If it’s just a mil spec basic cheap 1911 I’ll go with 625. If we’re talking about a more up graded a little bit more tuned 1911 I’ll go with that. Both great guns though. Cool video.
Thank you!
I think I would choose the 1911 due to the availability of parts in the event of a failure, or just plain maintenance of the pistol. I love my revolvers, but in an “Only One” scenario, I would take a semi-auto over a wheel gun.
1911
Quicker on target in fast shooting drills
Quicker reloads. And I don’t want to mess with moon clips.
Again my experience. Plus i have a bias against auto loading cartridges in a revolver. And I love the feel of a 1911. Again a bias for the 1911
to mess with moon clips?
Man, if you will be involved in some firefight with serious guys or gang(not being other gang member or cop ) - you are dead no matter with 1911 or 625.
Against some drunk bully or 2-3 of them your right behaviour and first shots outcome.
If being alone you have to reload your gun in a firefighting against a group - 99% you are a corpse if you last the shootup.
So for regular dude(the key word 'regular') the fast reloading is not an actual thing
Great video and really, I think it boils down to which handgun the owner is more comfortable with. I own and regularly shoot both revolvers and semi autos, so I'm very familiar with both. I don't personally consider the larger capacity of a semi auto necessarily as large a benefit over the 5, 6, 7 or even 8 round capacity of a revolver as some do, from a civilian personal defense situation. In a military combat situation, sure- more is always better. But a civilian personal defense situation is different because 99% of the time the goal is a break of contact with the perp. If 5-8 shots won't do it (and realistically, 1 is generally sufficient) chances are 8-15 won't either. But from a sheer simplistic point-and-bang consideration, I feel that a revolver is the clear winner. No safeties to fool with, no finicky magazines to fool with, no unintentional partially ejected magazines to be concerned with, no failures to feed or extract to fool with, and with the revolver- you can use ANY ammunition of that caliber. From mild wadcutters to hot defense loads or even specialty shotshells- a revolver digests it all with aplomb.
I'll take an early Para Ordinance double-stack frame on a Combat Commander.
I have the RIA/Armscor 1911 A2 Hi-Cap. It's a Para clone and can take the P14-45 magazines (only 10 rounds in CA) but it's all steel and quite heavy.
Even with its GI WW2 sights, you can easily hit the 50 yards steel plates and so far, it is very reliable. Recoil is very manageable also due to its weight.
I have seen people forget to load the chamber and or leave the safety on less likely on the 6 shooter , but I have seen people start with an empty revolver . I have also seen well known U tuber that is very skilled , holster in quick draw drills a DA/SA SIG . Hammer cocked !!! the gun didn't fire lucky for him .
BTW I like Both ??? flip a coin ???
Both are highly accurate, both are reliable if you use some good sense. The semi-auto is the winner. All law enforcement and military have moved from revolvers to semi-autos. The military chose the 1911 over the revolver for WW1. Reloads are faster, shooting is faster. Most people would do better on qualification tests with the 1911. Even the highly trained would probably be more proficient with the 1911 given equal time on both platforms.
Not surprised you got it with 1911 . 625 has always intrigued me because it being 45acp . Fine shooting Hr . I’m getting caught up on some of older videos.
Glad you liked it. I had fun with that one!
Great video. I've never fired a .45 ACP revolver but I do own a S&W Model 28 and the trigger on it, shooting double action, is a beast. Double action on my Python is a different story and much smoother. I also own a WWII era 1911 that was rebuilt by Springfield Armory in the fifties and the trigger on it is stock, but if I had to choose between the 1911 and the S&W Model 28 I'd go with the 1911 just because of ease of reload and mag capacity. With the Python it's a different story though. Different calibers I know, so it really is off topic for your video but the Python is in a whole different class as far as I'm concerned. On point about my 1911 is that I only shoot military ball ammo in it because I have been told that the ramp may cause feeding problems with modern HP ammo and i don't want to alter it in any way. As usual, thanks for your videos. I really enjoy watching them.
I’m glad you like them Pungo. Thanks for watching!
Great video (as always). I , like you prefer the 1911 but the 625 (which I have) feels so good in my hand. My 1917 however has a very heavy trigger so target shooting is really difficult, and being lighter recoils more.
You can't go wrong with either platform. Thanks for the comment!
You're making me drool all over myself with the S/W 2.0 also!
Frank Van Dornis Sorry. Keep a napkin handy!
Frank, you owe it to yourself and that grand 1917 to spend a couple bucks on a good spring kit and some internal polishing. If you can't afford to have a 'smith do it, there are some good videos on where/how to polish the related parts. I've taken in several S&Ws that acted like Chevrolets til I lavished the Cadillac treatment on them.
Difficult decision to make. I have a S & W model 25 with both .45 ACP and .45 LC cylinders and a Springfield Armory Range Officer. It might be the model 25 with options for the two calibers. Still the SARO is a "tack driver" for me.
It's a hard decision to be sure. Still, there really isn't a wrong answer. Thanks for the comment!
Im gonna say id choose a 1911(although not mil spec) over any .45acp handgun every day of the week! With that said i have quite a lot of experience with both of these guns. I owned the 625 model of 1989 for many years. It served mostly as my bowling pin gun in the revolver class in local matches for many years! That thing digested thousands upon thousands of rounds of a handloaded 255gr rnfp .45 colt bullet at@800 fps in both practice and competition. Those moon clips and that bullet profile made reloads slick and fast and id say at the time i could probably reload it just as fast as an autoloader. Back then i was shooting both revolver and service pistol class and an old colt (heavily modified was my autoloader of choice. It used the same handload(nothing carted pins off the back of the table like those heavy slow soft lead slugs) both of those guns also started my love affair with the .45 super which i still shoot regularly today. And both of them also accounted for whitetails on a couple of occasions. As far as choosing one over the other, the 1911 gets the nod because its what I shoot better than anything else. With good sights and a little trigger work it can easily match the revolver for precision shots(which it cannot in mil spec format youre using in this video) and it enjoys the capacity advantage as well as the ability to quickly top off load. Magazines are easier to carry than moon clips and also easier to load and dont need to be unloaded(moon clips suck to unload) where the revolver shines is its far less ammunition sensitive and easily handles any bullet profile/load level/bullet weight equally well. It also comes right out of the box with excellent sights and a nice crisp single action trigger! I wish i still had that gun! Ironically i now EDC a Remington 1911 as well. Although its an enhanced commander that is completely custom and modified to shoot .45 super as well as .45acp. it is in my opinion the most versatile sidearm/caliber combination ive ever fired. Very accurate and reliable and is capable of handling any job you might NEED a handgun for in my neck of the woods. Nearly equalling the 10mm with bigger heavier bullets and shoots everything from 185, 200, 230 and 250gr bullets. Light loads through near magnum hardcast loads equally well.
I have several 1911 45s (Including an STI Staccato R...if they ever ship it) but I'm using my 325 Thunder Ranch 45 Revolver for the next year in ASI and IDPA competition. That darned thing is just too fun!
My preference would be for a .45 ACP double-action revolver as a home defense weapon, like the 625 or Redhawk, and a modern single-stack compact .45 ACP concealed carry weapon, like the Springfield XDs or Sig Sauer P320 Compact, both with the same personal defense specific ammunition.
Unless a person is an dedicated 1911 user or practitioner the Revolver wins. One huge advantage of the revolver is its ability to digest any any and all types of ammo profiles and elevated power factors.
The advantage of the 1911 has over the revolver is speed and carry amongst metro or population areas. It's easier to carry, lighter, easier to reload. If one is in a rural areas the revolver has more advantages
Both platforms have their advantages and drawbacks. Deciding which one is best depends greatly upon the circumstances surrounding a specific incident.
I choose, Both. (And an M&P Compact 45)
I bought a 625 in 1988 and it sits next to my bed to this day. I sold my 1911 to buy the 625 and have not regretted it.
Trigger control is absolutely gun control , with my great trigger discipline along with the laser it’s been a great experience . Shot placement has improved 7 10 15 25 out 50 yards . I still have a great set of metal sights on each platform ( pistol , rifle) mostly night sights . I would not want to be totally dependent on a electronic system . I even thought about meprolight night sights for the 870 we discussed. Laser sights have been out for sometime now , I had one gun with a system that came stock, so I wanted to try a rail mounted one . Best results has been with a difficult pistol (glock27 ) to shoot and get great shot placement 3 to 4 inches groups at best at any distance , now have tightened up 2 to 2.5 . Same with another 40 glock 23 . The sig carry 1911r 45acp ( r meaning rail) improved groups to 1 inch at 20 yards , its commander length 4.25 , always been a great shooter made better . These results came this evening 1 hour before night fall . I get long winded at times sorry , but was excited with results . K
Looked like a fun day on the range.
Even a bad day on the range is fun.
I have 2 357 snubbies, 4" 357, 4" 629, and ordered a 4" 610... The 625 is next on my list. I have also a very nice set of VP9s. But I love Revolvers.
I keep thinking about adding a 610 to my collection. I’m not sure it will do anything one of my current wheelguns doesn’t already do, but I think it would be kind of a cool compliment to my 10mm semi-autos.
Great comparison!
Thank you!
I like, and have a few of each. I'd choose the revolver over the 1911 just because you won't have feeding issues with any bullet profile you use.
I own Colt Gold Cup and a 5" 625. Love both. 1911 for rapid fire target shooting no question for me. Single shot accuracy about the same. At the range I don't have to chase down my brass with the revolver (I reload). One huge advantage for revolver is ability to shoot practice loads (wax or rubber bullets for indoors). Obviously a 1911 can not cycle a fake bullet. (Note: be careful with rubber bullets indoors if you miss the backstop the damn thing will bounce all over the place, LOL)
Ha, ha! I'm thinking of your rubber bullet and the trash compactor scene from Star Wars.
@@hrfunk LOL you are right. Had a cardboard box setup to catch the rubber bullet and it went through and bounced all over the place. Hard to believe a large pistol primer generated that much force.
625... love mine
Me too
Your a great marksman! Appreciate what you bring to the dance ( and that’s a lot no doubt) K
keith kent Thank you!
Tough choice. But, I would have to go with a S&W Model 625 in snubbie. 1. for the increased reliability of a revolver (yes, a moot point) and 2.S&W brand. Also, would open carry it and am a big believer in "open carry is a deterrent".
I find I can grip the revolver better with greater control than the 1911. I would take the revolver because it easier for me! It’s subjective though as someone else would be opposite from me and prefer the 1911. Good video.
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
I should add that I carry a 686+ or 629 AIWB in a Dale Fricke holster that is quite comfortable
I see this as purpose driven. If I wanted to hunt with either of these the 625 would be my pick as hot ammo would be pretty effective on game like wild boar, the revolver too for home defense especially for those not real familiar or comfortable with self loading handguns. Concealed carry the 1911. I have used a 1911 for decades and remain very comfortable with the weapon in an array of calibers, an old reliable companion.
Sound reasoning Sergeant Major. If I HAD to choose one, I would probably go with the 1911, but it would be with a measure of regret.
Great video. I enjoy your videos. My preference is on the double action revolver. I think based on your results, the revolver is still my best option. I train regularly with a Ruger Security Six and S&W Model 36 so I think it is whatever you shoot well...
Sounds like you've picked a winner for yourself! Thanks for the comment!
Not necessarily that 1911. But a 1911 would be my choice over the 625. Even though the 625 is way more reliable than a 1911. I think I'd rather have a higher capacity. There are after market mags for a 1911 allowing a person to carry 10+1. If I carry a 5 shot revolver, it's going to be something easily concealed. Excellent video by the way. Really put me in between a rock and a hard place.
Thanks! I’m glad you liked it.
Smith and Wesson 8 shot 357 magnum .. Just a thought
No replacement of a 1911 has been made yet. Nothing rivals it in pointablity... Nothing rivals the trigger... Nothing rivals it in accuracy. PERIOD! "You get 13 rounds in a Glock"... And the pointablity of it may require all 13 rounds. The 1911 is a natural pointer. Trigger and accuracy go hand in hand. No pistol can touch a just ok 1911 trigger... It's what it is. I own more than a couple poly wonders, and not one shoots better than any of my 1911's. Even my 10mm 1911's shoots smoother than my Glock 22. Actually... Today at the Las Vegas Shooting Park I made a 62 year old 5'1" 110lbs. Asian woman want to buy a 10mm RIA Tactical II after she swore never to shoot another 10mm after firing a Glock 20. Why??? Because the 1911 just shoots and feels better. Not hating on the striker fired pistols at all. I love to shoot most of them. The 1911 just shoots better.
Can't say I disagree with anything you said. Semper Fi!
Semper Fi!
Evidently you truly do not own any Glocks. You're spouting bullshit.
I'll have to disagree completely. This is entirely subjective because the reality is that there are any number of polymer guns that can out perform a stock 1911 anytime. Accuracy? Stock 1911s I've shot have no better than serviceable accuracy. Trigger? Same. Pointability? That's a personal preference. Hec, holding one is a personal preference. I have never come across a stock 1911 that was comfortable to hold and shoot. Now, customized 1911 pistols, that's a different ballgame but that would apply to anything that has been tuned and customized.
My 625-2 is the best. Got a coffee can full of full moon clips.
THE BEST 45s ARE SIX-GUNS.
Also got a Ruger Blackhawk 45 with a 45 ACP extra cylinder. Best auto 45 was the old Smith 4506. Beats a 1911 anyday of the week.
I totally hate 1911s. They good for SQUAT, in my expert opinion.
I once used a 1911 for a paperweight and it failed even that. I had papers flying around all over the house. As they floated and flew all over every room in the house, they were laughing and saying, "He tried to hold us down with a 1911! How cute is that!!"
A revolver is ALWAYS a better choice than a 1911.
I know this is kind of a long post here, but since I dumped my last 1911 years ago, and consequently don't have to worry about the constant maintenance and repair issues with the old clunker, I seem to have a lot more time on my hands.
I am a big 1911 fan. Even so, the.45 ACP wheelies are pretty sweet.
Good program HR.
I tend to look at them as quite different items for quite different purposes.
For everyday carry in ordinary environment the 1911 wins hands down,, long term field use is something else entirely and I'd take the 625. Something that can't be addressed in a video like this is versatility and ease of use long term.
I have spent a year in the stix with minimal support, shooting a lot of small game and a couple of large with the handgun.
The ammo I used to hunt wabbits and ptarmigan wouldn't cycle an auto, and the stuff I carried for defense would eat an auto. In that environment the revolver shines. Average Joe will seldom have those opportunities
Good points, and great comment. Thanks!
I am a fan of the 1911 but I watched the video because I am thinking about buying a 625 in 45acp. Good job shooting and explaining the differences without bias. I am not sure I will be able conceal carry the 625. It looks too big and heavy but looks like it would be fun to shoot.
It is fun to shoot. Concealed carry is not really the purpose of the 625, but if someone really wants to hide an N-frame, it is possible. That said, the 625 is much more at home in a duty holster.
I decided to get the Performance Center S&W 325 Thunder Ranch with a 4'' barrel. It is an N frame but a lighter alloy. I may be able carry this in a shoulder rig. Thanks for your reply.
@@johnyy1911 You're welcome John!
Watched it again, very good, two classics. Best I was ever able to do was 6.2 seconds with a 6 inch python from a holster fire 6- .357 magnum rounds, reload fire six more on target at 7 yards. First generation I think safety holster. I have a buddy who killed multiple wild boar with a 1911 .45 , shot placement of course but can do the job.
Nice shooting with that Python! I don't think I ever timed myself to see how fast I can reload a revolver. Maybe I'll have to give that a try.
I would also choose the 625 for several reasons. The sights and trigger are superior and the revolver is far more versatile due to the .45 auto rim option. I handload and shoot auto rim exclusively in my 625 and 1917's. No messing with moon clips and the revolver will accept any bullet that either the .45 ACP or .45 Colt can utilize. Properly loaded, a 625 is a very viable big game revolver.
Great points, thanks for the comment!
Revolver. Mainly due to variety of ammo. Especially 45 acp as well as Auto Rim
would you agree if a situation occurs where reloaded ammo is the only option, the revolver 625 will be deemed a more reliable and dependable weapon without malfunctions?
That depends so much on the skill of the person reloading the ammo. It's hard to make a blanket statement.
Another good video.. In my case I would substitute the M&P 45c for the 1911. For edc I prefer it over my Thunder Ranch 22-4. Revolver.. However I'll take the 22-4 in the field with me OWB carry.. Both are great platforms.. Glad I don't have to choose.. Comes down to preferance I guess.. Good video.
Thank you!
To answer your question I'd take the 1911 (or a Sig P220). Outside of WWI origin I never have figured out why there is the models 25/625. If I'm going to carry a N frame it'll be one of the magnums or the 45 Colt. More bang for the bulk. If I going to carry a 45 ACP it'll be an autoloader. More bangs for the lighter cartridge.
The one advantage the 45 ACP has in the N-Frame revolver over the 45 Colt is the ability to load/reload with full-moon clips. Reloads with them are nearly as fast as reloading a semi-auto.
Either works, but that's with combat style shooting. More than likely you will have to do some one handed shooting so I will go with the 1911 as it shoots well even in weak hand.
I think either can be fired effectively with the non-dominant hand. One thing to consider along those lines is that the 625 is not going to malfunction if the shooter manages to limp-wrist it with the off hand.
I love 1911s even sleep with the vary same one every night that i saved my life with 50 years ago in Vietnam. Have several. But my fave gun is one of my 625 5" S&W.
I own 2 625s, 4 1911s in 45ACP, and 1 CZ97B. And a Ruger Blackhawk in 3.5” barrel. If I was limited to only 1 gun for everything, I’d have to go with a S&W mountain gun in .44 mag.
I have to go with the 625. It can handle low velocity reloads, +P 45 ACP and the 45 Auto Rim cartridge as well. Mine is a Mountain Gun.
Great wheelgun. I have a MG in .44 Magnum and it's one of my favorites.
@@hrfunk I had a 44 at one time. I'm a bit too old for a gun with that kind of recoil now. I have a 357 Mountain Gun with seven round capacity. That and the 45 are more my style. BTW: Really great video.
One thing I can say definitively, is that in the years I was a gunsmith in NYC, when the revolver was king of law enforcement, the vast majority of repairs, which numbered in the thousands (yes, really) were revolvers.
When NYPD went to semi-auto pistols, the numbers of repairs dropped dramatically. This is simply fact. A revolver is much easier to damage in the course of duty. Does this mean revolvers win? I'll tell you what wins, absolute proficiency with the firearm you chose to carry.
Well said! Thanks for watching Patrick.
Great video. Love your very realistic perspective. If you are really asking which .45 platform I would rather have it would be the 1911, That's assuming I had other guns in other calibers (primarily my 686 plus with 3 inch barrel and any of the numerous Glock 19 size 9mms). However if you are asking which I would choose if I could only have one handgun it would be the revolver because of its versatility and the variety of loads it can handle
Bill The premise is a little “tongue in cheek” and mostly it’s a mechanism to facilitate discussion. Nevertheless, the idea is that you can have only one handgun chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge for all your handgun shooting needs.
Sure I would have enjoyed that comparison due to lack of revolver experience. My latest experiment has been with crimson Trace lasers with startling results.
Startling in a good way I hope!
My choice: the 625, for my bedside gun. What I love about revolvers is how easily you can demonstrate an unloaded condition. when the cylinder is open you see right through
Part of the beauty of revolvers is their simplicity.
It's the 625 for me as I've never cared for 1911s. Bought mine in '89. 5" barrel and had it blackened by Robar replaced that god-awful pachmyer grip with Herrett Jordan stocks. It's a magnificent shooter and my current pillow gun. Wish I had it in 3-4 " barrel
I really like mine too. I lucked out with the 4” barrel. It’s a great general purpose big-bore revolver. Thanks for the comment!
None of us are Jerry Miculek, nor Bob Munson. ;) I think the revolver is generally more reliable, but you bring up a good point if repairs are needed in that you can swap-out parts on a 1911 pretty easily (if it's not a custom-shop gun). Still a tough choice!
So much of it comes down to how you intend to carry/use it and what you’re most comfortable with.
Have and shoot both. The 625 is an easy to shoot pistol and, for a revolver, real easy to reload withe 3 or 6 revolver clips. I would really not feel under armed with a 625 in a life or death shooting situation but, in such a situation, I would give the nod to one of my 1911s. In your videos, you illustrated the slight advantage in reloading. A 1911 is always single action but a secondary action or specific thumb action in the 625. Good vidios. Thanks
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
If I could have only one it would be the S&W 625-6 Mountain revolver in 45Colt ... Okay, I know it's not 45ACP, but it is 45cal. AND I got one (ha,ha)
Ha, ha! I love my .44 Magnum Mountain Gun! I'm sure your .45 is just as good!
The 625 revolver is a fine shooting firearm as I have had one. It is the moon clips that I find as the limiting factor. So I would have to go with the 1911 if there was world disaster the ACP ammo would be easier to find.
I love them both, I’ll keep them both
That’s the best option! Thanks for watching.
Have both and I’ll have to pick the 1911 because of those damn moonclips.
If I could have only one, I would choose the 1911 and use it to go hunt for the guy who took my 625! ;-)
That might be the best comment I've received for this video!
@@hrfunk ;-) Thanks for all the great videos.
I wouldn’t be able to choose-to perfect-both of them
Good choice!
Your welcome Hr ! Love it if you could review some of my pistols etc !
The 1911 will jam...but the 624 will not jam! If only one handgun I can own, sure the Revolver! But I will choose m686 8 rounds.357 model, it much better than the 45 Acp.
If I'm not mistaken, the 686 tops out at 7 rounds. You would need to opt for a 627 to get 8 rounds. In any case, it's still a fine wheelgun.
Something else as well if you’re in a survival situation I think the moon clips are a weakness for the 625. It’s so easy to damage those especially under rough conditions and if you can’t replace those you could have problems. Advantage 1911.
I don't have the 625. But I do have several $&W Stainless.
1911 would be my Choice for EDC, Hands Down. I have my Reasons.
AS Always THANKS for A Great video.
You’re welcome Gilbert. Thanks for watching!
Maybe a 22 for small game? After those first misses, small game will be difficult to find
Both excellent for me AFTER mastering them
Hard to answer this question: I love my 1911 Essex, I love my S&W 625 model of 1989, Il love my CZ 97 B and I do love my brand new S&W M&P 45 M2.0... The model 625 is the one I shoot the best, cause I'm a revolver guy, I guess...
Fortunately, you don't really have to choose between them. At least, not yet.
I’m glad this is America and I can have both. 😁
Share your thoughts on those type of devices and do you have any experience with them . When I bought my 638 it already had a lasermax already mounted to the frame and didn’t change my holster arrangement. I really didn’t appreciate it until the grip update which was last week . K
Very interesting Video! I personally, am more practiced with a 1911 than a Revolver so, I would be much better with the Semi-Auto than the Wheel Gun. You are one heck of a Marksman! 😎
Thank you Don!
I would choose the 1911 platform.
Looks like tacks for dinner again!