Colt 1917 vs S&W 1917 : Two military workhorses of the 20th Century!
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Comparing two vintage WWI big bore revolvers! The Colt 1917 and the S&W 1917 are two fantastic old revolvers, both chambered in .45 ACP.
Original S&W Model 1917 video: • Smith and Wesson Model...
First Colt 1917 video: • Colt Model 1917 Army R...
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Just in case you've been negligent and missed the original videos with these revolvers. Plus, there are several additional videos on the Colt 1917 since I've had it longer.
Original S&W Model 1917 video: ruclips.net/video/F5XoVjD7c3o/видео.html
First Colt 1917 video: ruclips.net/video/N9o_ALC-e7c/видео.html
Hickok45 you've the best educational channel on yt
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Make a video about the Taurus pt 809
I couldn't find one from you
They built them chambered in 455 Webley also for the brits I would love for you to review one I have one had it restored and chrome plated by Bob cogan and filed new vz grips to fit it it's beautiful.
Slamfire is the coolest name ever. He knows he's a cool cat.
He does. He knows he runs the place, which is okay because he's a big baby that loves attention and never causes any trouble. He's Mr. Friendly.
Cool
@@hickok45 My cats help out in the office/armory. Any time I'm disassembling a firearm and a spring or part gets away, they are right on it with a pounce. They have no idea what a firearm is and all enjoy squirrel meat dad cooks up for them!
@@hickok45 cats just sit there looking smug and plotting world domination
He’s definitely cool but I’m getting congested looking him.
I have heard from some older Vets that worked supply and infantry that claim that some of these 1917s were still in inventory during and saw mild use by tunnel rats during the Vietnam War. These old revolvers have an incredible history either way.
This man always put a smile on my face.
"put"? Puts.
@@kareemalizada4701 easy on our Kentucky relatives
This guy is a walking and talking encyclopedia of firearms. Very interesting.
My grandfather had a S&W 1917 he'd purchased at some point. As a huge Indy Jones fan I loved it. When he passed, my mother was selling off his collection and the 1917 was one of the last to go. I'd begged her not to sell it, but eventually it went. She apologized a few years later when she realized how much I liked that revolver.
She didn't give you a chance to at least buy it?
I've got a 1917 that I estimate to be produced around 1918 it's a old Army gun with the flaming bomb on it. It's in great shape for being over 100 years old and shoots great too
Can you get it appraised?
@@demurevilleneuvewinslet8235 no need. It's priceless to me
The shell and flame are the Ordnance symbol, used since the 1830's...very cool.
Take care of it.
No you don’t
Brad Pitt’s character in Fury uses a SW 1917 he totes around in a tanker chest holster. Some American soldiers fashioned clear grips from discarded plexiglass aircraft windows. They would then insert photos of their wives or girlfriends underneath them for a cool custom look. This is depicted in the movie.
They call the photo grips sweetheart grips
A S&W 1917 was given to me about 1965 by the former US Cavalry member that it was originally issued to. I bring it out a couple of times a year and run a couple dozen rounds through it. What a sweet shooting handgun! I love the way the recoil seems to lift the entire revolver straight up, making it easy to get back on target.
I have the Colt, handed down through the family. It's in a place of honor, and we shoot it every year on my late Father-In-Law's birthday. I've never been a revolver guy, but these are something very special.
I'm a fan of the 45 LC and the 45ACP.
If I remember right, there is also a 45 Auto Rim for those revolvers.
I was able to shoot one at an NRA action shoot some years ago, it was sweet shooter.
The auto rim came in after the Great War...oddly, all I have ever seen from big green was 230gr round nose lead...
I inherited a Colt New Service from my dad that was used by the British military in WW1. Still has the import markings on it, originally made to use the .455 Webly round, but later changed to use .45 Colt rounds. The last 5 on the barrel was scratched out so it only reads .45. Wonderful gun, I still put some rounds through it once a year or so.
The smith's cylinder release has always been friendlier to me. I can work with both, but I prefer the smith.
My dad's first handgun 1917 S&W .45ACP. I have had the Colt and several S&W 1917 revolvers. Had one or two cut to 4 in with S&W adjustable sights in one case a
A buddy carried it on duty when his Model 57 was in the shop. I had a cut 3 in Colt in .45 Colt I carried as an office gun. All good weapons pack both makes of 1917s in the woods too.
I must add Slamfire to my kitty collection, and those 1917's to my gun collection as well. Awww little Slamfire is keeping your ammo nice an warm for you hickok45.
Would love to see a cat review
That would be hard to do. Cats do what they want to do; you cannot make them do anything. So unlike a dog. They don't necessarily come when you call them or go where you want them to go, or more importantly stay where you want them to stay.
The reason you don't see Slamfire more often is strictly HIS choice. On rare occasions, he just happens to jump up on the shooting table when we're setting up and ready to start a video. It's very random. Since he's such a good cat and so cute, we let him hang out a little while when he DOES show up. :-)
Thanks for the review. I'm almost as old as you. Bought a hundred moon clips years ago but I purchased a S&W Model 625 more recently. I call it my "Senior Citizen Special" Of course, like you, I love revolvers, but I also like the fact that I can pick up six rounds at a time when I shoot my .45 ACP revolver. Ditto my S&W 49, a "Bodyguard" after market cut for moon clips.
Before I get labeled an "OG", yes, I carry a Glock 30SF.
P.S. The Army sent me to "supply school and small arms repair" in 1968. Never trained on 1917's. Never saw any in 1969 through 1971 in Vietnam. But. be that as it may, never saw any 1911's as nice as the ones "on your table".
I've got a Colt New Service that was made in 1916 as one of 600 for a British order. The order call for all to be in .455 Webley but this one is in 45 Colt and stamped on the barrel. It is the most fun to shoot. I love it.
I could be mistaken but I believe the Brazilian army used one (or both) of those revolvers in Italy during WW2. Our expeditionary force received 1911s from the Americans as support for our war effort, however there were only so many available. As a result of that it was not uncommon to see Brazilian soldiers carrying revolvers loaded with 45ACP via moon clips.
Exato, Peekaboo. E até a década de 70 esse tipo de revólver ainda era empregado em serviço no Exército Brasileiro. Eram muito comuns em batalhões de cavalaria e de cavalaria motorizada.
Brazil purchased new from Smith. Easily identified by the Brazilian sun logo on the frame.
Brazil used the S&W M1937, which is the M1917 with a Brazilian Crest and a squared vs u notch rear sight.
Wasn` t there a .45AR sold commercially at a time? The cartridge was a .45ACP but with a rim; it has not been advertised for sale in decades.
My S&W DA 45 has the Brazilian hallmarks
I have a real nice S&W 1917 that was made in 1917. Has an original web belt and holster set. The belt pouches that hold the clips was not easy to find. Interesting the mag pouches for WWI 1911s are common and cheap
Unlike the Colt 1917 The S&W can be loaded with loose shells ( no clip) because they head space on front of the case. Don’t need a clip but if you don’t use a clip might need to use a pencil to knock out the empties
Both my Colt and my S&W can be loaded without clips.
smith & wesson 1917 model used by Brazilian troops on the front against Nazi Germany, I'm a big fan of guns and I'm proud to say that I'm Brazilian for the brave men who fought in the Second World War together with the
Slamfire is such a good kitty. Love seeing him, what a beautiful cat. Thanks for giving him an amazing home and for being his best buddy.
Sir: Love your Videos. As a retired Police Officer SLMPD 40 yrs, we trained on Revolvers, and Counted our rounds when loading 1-2-3-4-5-6 and counted when firing. Never hit on an empty Cylinder.
I inherited my great-grandpa's US Army WW1 Colt M1917 a couple years ago, I love it so much, I just don't like having to load those half-moon clips
The half-moon clips are a pain to load and unload, which is why I usually don't use clips.
They make a tool to help facilitate that,, I have seen them on e-baaa. Also they will handle .45auto rim ,,, if you can find them or roll your own.
Always enjoy the history lessons that go along with the demos.
the best part!
The cat seems so chill. Beautiful pistols too.
I have used .45 Auto Rim in my Colt. Allows the ejector rod to function on loose empties, but then you are left reloading loose rounds. I mostly stick to full moon clips.
Dude I love using the auto rim because its a more cinematic loading experience.
These old revolvers are beautiful. And so is the cat.
Say, Hicock, can Slamfire hit the gong? :^)
Only if you throw him really hard. I suggest using aa cat-a-polt.
I just wanna tell you, how happy it makes me to see you still make videos to this day. I been watching you since i was 10 years old. Lol still just as good as you were then 💪🏼
A handsome cat to go with a couple handsome revolvers. Another great video, Hickok.
Canadian here.
Have a smith mk2 hand ejector in .455 webley. What smooth operator for being from the great war, even has Canadian acceptance marks.. I love shooting it.
Back in the day I had a 1909 Colt in .45 "Colt". It was the large frame Colt and it took a special .45 Colt round made by Frankfurt Armory. The round had a wider rim than the original 1873 round to insure better extraction in the d/a revolver.
I have a Spanish copy of the smith n Wesson 1917 made for the French army but chambered in 8x27mm. Wish it was the actual smith & Wesson but I mean it’s still cool. Ammo is stupid pricey because of the gouging going on but I got a lot of my ammo before the panic buying. Love vintage ww1-2 firearms
Many moons ago I swapped with a co worker for a 1917 colt that he said was broken because it would not eject the shells ! Still one of my favorite revolvers 😎👍
Love Slamfire, looks like a good Maine Coons. I myself accidentally ended up with a S&W D A 45. Got it in a pawn shop, looked like it was spray painted, Hogue grips. Turns out it was one that Brazil bought after WW1. Has the hallmarks. Haven't researched past that, but it has the slickest trigger I've ever experienced.
Love me some Hickock!! Slamfire is one cool cat!
Ничего не понимаю по английски но спасибо за кота! Привет из России, в того годы наши страны были вместе и боролись против общего врага - Кайзера, как потом и Гитлера!
Dobryi den! Mupovaya Voina II byla ochen yzhasna. Byt gotov!
It's a shame Russian and American governments can't see eye to eye. If they could be united on a common goal little could stop us from achieving great things.
I am a proud American and I love my country, though I know we have our warts. However, I also have a profound admiration for the Russian people. Their spirit, determination, bravery and sacrifices are worthy of great respect. Peoples of the AR & AK. Each legendary, in their own right. Always a plus when they work together.
@@Mirokuofnite Its always the governments that cause war....never the people, I dont think Americans and Russians or Germans ever really hated each other. Rather, it was our governments that did all those horrible things and caused those wars
Russia and America largely had a friendly relationship up until the latter 20th century.
I actually skip over the shooting after the first round of shooting. I appreciate the history and knowledge that is shared in these firearms a lot. You have a great way to keep it alive!
Showing love from 🏴❤️
Both revolvers are some of my favorite, however, I prefer the S&W version over the Colt.
Why?
@@gerardorockerman69 I can't speak for other's but the Smith has a little smoother double action and seems to point a little better.
Folks who shoot single action or have larger hands seem to prefer Colts. It is I think entirely personal.
The colt is a beefier gun in weight and size, the S&W, is a tad lighter, and handles easily. My opinion.
My S&W 1917 was my first firearm. It was born in May 1918. Oh the stories it could tell.
hickok cat is so cool
Great video Hickok, Slamfire is a cool cat with a cool name, two 1917's and a domestic long hair ...can't beet it.
Hickok,
You should really try to get the CZ TS2 Deep Bronze pistol, I think you’re going to love it. Granted it’s a competition gun, so it only serves a certain niche but it’s a lovely gun to shoot.
Thank you for all the entertainment and education you provided throughout the years
I love the old smith 1917. I just picked up a 1917 S&W commercial in nickel finish to go with my army issued revolver.
I have learned so much on your shows I’m a history buff as well as firearms I’ll bet you’re a wonderful teacher thanks again
Always very nice to see Slamfire--he looks extremely well and happy!!!
Great to see one of my other RUclips channels, C&Rsenal, getting some love. (:
Man love the wood on the colt beautiful grips for sure
I have my grandfather's Colt 1917. It was bought from a PX at his duty station in 1919 right when he was discharged. Fought in Europe but not with the gun I have. Been in our family for 102 years and is in 98% condition.
Very cool! I hope you have a really good gun safe and security system for your home. It would be a shame for that piece of your family history to ever end up in some criminal punk's trunk and then sold on the street or at a pawn shop for a 50 bucks.
@@hickok45 It is in a safe place. To add to that, my grandfather was much older than most fathers and died when my mother was 8 in 1950. The gun sat in his closet, loaded and in its correct holster, til Grandmother died in the 80s. After she died my dad cleaned the gun up and disposed of the old bullets. I was nine when I first saw it that day and to say I was excited would be a huge understatement. Dad even let me play a little Cowboys and Indians with it for a few minutes before taking it back. It's care and preservation responsibility was passed to me in 2013. Keep up the good work. Love your videos.
preferred sidearm of one Dr Jones
I was going to ask about Dr. Jones. He had the M1917 MKII....I believe.
Nice to see him shouting out Ian at Forgotten Weapons and Othais and Mae at C&Rsenal. Both very good RUclips channels if you want an in-depth history lesson on old firearms.
I've been learning a lot bout firearms from this channel. Great videos
Is slamfire your special guest for this video
Cool firearms sir. Also, way to give Ian from Forgotten Weapons a shout out. His channel is absolutely awesome for firearm history.
Indiana Jones used the S&W in Raiders of The Lost Ark.
That SW 1917 is in good shape. I have a 1937 Brazilian model with no bluing, but still a great shooter.
.45 out of an N Frame is pure pleasure.
My father was a Royal Artillery motorcycle dispatch rider WW2 1939 - 1946 (yes that long) and he carried one as his personal weapon. The British Army had a lot of them, often prefering them to the .38 Webley.
I'd take any on the table. Hello slamfire. Requisite 1st.
I've never handled either, but it seems like the push button on the S&W is more intuitive than the pull slide on the Colt when you're reloading.
The Smith's cylinder release is a slider, just like the Colt's. Not a push button (Ruger does that). The difference is that on the Smith it slides towards the front when on the Colt it slide towards the rear.
So yeah, you push with your thumb on Smith guns and pull on Colt's but a "push button" it is not.
I find the Colt release more intuitive and quicker. When I eject, I turn the muzzle up so there is some gravity assist in the removal of the casing. Pulling the release rearward starts the movement of the gun for turning the muzzle up, where as pushing the S&W release has a tendency to flip the muzzled downward.
Once a teacher, always a teacher. Great video Mr h.
Slamfire is cool
"We never have enough guns." I think every guy has said that to his wife at some point. 😉
I'd very much like to see a discussion of the history and versatility of the 45 Auto Rim cartridge in conjunction with the 1917/25-5/625 revolvers. The 45AR eliminates the clips, allows normal ejection of the cases and the use of speedloaders, and can be roll crimped like a "real" revolver round. The rimmed case is very handy for mixed assorted loads in the same cylinder such as a couple of shotshells along with SWCs or HPs without having to mix loads in a clip - makes the pistol great for woodswalking. The Starline AR brass is very high quality and durable.
I'd also like to see the two-shot 1/3 moon clips mentioned, as they are also very handy for mixed loads in the same cylinder with ACP brass.
Best gun channel ever 😂❗️
Interesting timing. I bought one of these on auction two days ago! S&W M1917. Should be delivered by Tuesday.
I have both revolvers... S&W and Colt. Love them. Thanks for the video.
Nice revolvers, both of them. Thanks for sharing them with us. Happy Thanksgiving.
The revolvers probably had a slight advantage over the 1911 in WW1. I think most 1911s were issued with two magazines. But a person with the revolver could have more moon clips.
One of the reasons why the British stuck with the Webley was because of reloading. I think the test was something like firing 30 rounds as fast as you can with reloading. With the webley it was easy. But only having two magazines standard with the 1911 it was much slower.
Kind of flawed reasoning since you could just carry more magazines. But I think it came down to economics, pride, and familiarity.
Got to say that we did not regard the sidearm with as much enthusiasm as America did, we believed in rifles as personal weapons. Officers had to be armed with ‘em but Tommy didn’t. anyway the Webley makes a great club
Revolvers are more reliable than auto loaders and easier to produce. Magazines, especially going back to the early to late 90s, were not the most reliable. Troops were expected to keep their magazines with them.
love you hickok keep up the great work
My favorite guns this is colt 1917 and smith and wesson 1917 will soon be on my step-by-step tutorial channel how to make the revolver colt 1917
Awesome revolvers of their time.
I have quite a few revolvers and automatics but I must say my 1917 smith is my favorite 45 acp to shoot! If you can find one I think you'll agree! Cheers!
Clicked for slamfire XD
I love you channel hincok45
Great man, great guns, interesting history. Thank you.
I love the deer table. I think a couple of end tables and a coffee table like that would be very nice. Great videos guys.
6m subs already... last time i saw this channel was on 500k
You must not be aware that you've committed a RUclips violation, at least a Hickok45 violation. Your only valid excuse for taking such a long break from our channel is that you were locked away in a federal prison. If you can submit your prison papers, we'll not fine you. :-)
awesome videos with the guns always Hickok!
Looks like Slamfire was examining the revolvers to figure out which one he would like to carry! I'd carry either one of those if I had one!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
Hickok45 Here, today we got cats, let get to it *Launches cat like a football at the target*
These guns are beasts. I love them both.
A few more differences: Colt and S&W cylinder latches operate differently and the cylinders revolve in opposite directions.
A bit of dissonance: a guy talking about a ' big old revolver ' about a gun which looks like a toy in his hand...
@@xzqzq Big guy eh.
Usei um desses S&W no IPSC no Brasil por 11 anos,nunca quebrou,uma obra de arte!
All I can think off with that cat by the revolvers in boondocks saints
Another great video, Hickok.
I have a couple of "victory" models in 38 short that were sent to Australia at the beginning of WWII. Unfortunately, the ammo ship was sunk by a Japaneese Submaring, and the guns remained hidden in storage during the war.
My grandfather carried a 1917 during the Korea war
Both 1917 revolvers were the standard sidearm for the Military Police.
Had both model and did lots of shooting with them in Taiwan. I really liked shooting them.
I have owned both and prefer the S&W it’s a much more robust gun I even still have some Remington .45 auto rim made for those kicking around somewhere.
Great history lesson on these two workhorses.
Slamfire is precious
But I'm quite allergic to cats like if I started shooting a gun he sat on I'd start sneezing
Always a great show. Your the best. Happy holidays
I wish the 45 rim was more common. It's a good round. Nice and interesting review. Given the choice, I might take the S&W.
Slam fire is a beautiful cat. Is he Polydactyl? He looks like he has thumbs
Love this channel! Got a great idea for another vid-shooting up those rolling pro tech ballistic shields on ebay right now. I'd love to see them go through a torture test on your channel before buying a couple to cut up to bullet proof a humvee on the cheap.
Another great video. Your original 1917 model got me hooked, and as it turns out I just picked up my S&W 1917 last week. Was part of an estate of someone who really liked classic 20th century revolvers, and took care of them. Headed out to the range this weekend.
Do you or anybody else out there know of a way of determining, by serial number, when one of these was made? Thanks in advance.
Great Hickok great Guns great Cat
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One of my dogs is a rescue dog he doesn't want to be anywhere near firearms. My other dog I've had since 9 weeks and loves sitting and watching us shoot. I joke that Odin is a Leftist and Atlas is a Conservative.
I have both and I love the Colt and almost hate the S&W. The Colt fits my hand much better , while the S&W seems like it was made for a child's hand. I can't even think about shooting an early .357 with those skimpy grips! Even the Magna grips hurt. Tried shooting my Mod.58 .41 mag with the relatively mild 210gr lead SWC factory load with the factory Magna stocks , once! Couldn't imagine shooting a full-power load with them. I know why the 58 failed as a police sidearm. I have Bearhug or Hogue hardwood grips on all my D/A revolvers.