Sophie Jones ,,Thanks for coming back to, and stating the main point poignantly simple, despite getting lost in these horrific specifics and details..we’re praying 🙏 here the same: Dylan x , RIP xox
Jennifer S. This mindset is sometimes necessary to do the job in the most-objective manner possible. If physicians and surgeons lacked the abilities to do so, none would last more-than a couple of years. Post-mortem exams are such a vital piece of evidence that objectivity is the only way. Not that post-mortem exam, especially if children and those murdered, is without pain and sorrow to the pathologist for to get the best evidence, one must take a step back. I would bet-and-win that Dr Brown lost a few nights sleep over Dylan Groves.
@@JaimeMesChiens Thank you, I can only imagine what she went through, when they brought that poor babys body in for her to examine, I am sure she has cried many tears, when she is at home,
I could never do her job...the minute a child came in such as Dylan's situation 😡😡.....I wouldn't be able to be objective. It's so terribly sad we have to have, but I'm deeply grateful, for people like her. 😢😢 ❤
Joan Kelley - I agree, they should have to see their work! The jury members have to look, they’re just doing a civic duty, yet- they will never unsee the abuse that poor baby endured.
She looks more bored than upset, they both do. If that was my child I would be crying my heart out, covered in snot and tears. She's not even red. Pretend sobbing.
Shout to the medical examiner who knew every number.. every detail... every fact without hesitation and not needed to refer to her notes ever.... she felt every moment of this case... she did amazing
@@angie-kbm They can't look because they arent sad about the baby, they are sad that they got caught. Baby dylan for them was just a punching bag when they got mad or high, and maybe they saw him as a oportunity to get easy money for more drugs, but when they killed him it all went down. For them baby dylan was not a human, they are so disgusting. Am glad Baby dylan at least had such an amazing foster mother, who tried to provide him with love and care, am also glad Judy got them justice in her statements. She manage to reach everybody and crush our hearts with how passionate she was about not letting them go unpunish.
To be a woman of her generation from a small town going to college, medical school, and extensive advanced forensics training takes a special kind of person who is not deterred by obstacles, is very bright, but also very self-respecting, careful, and responsible. I can only imagine she has lived her entire life with this kind of focus and engagement in what she does, and reflects so well on the strength of her character.
I think it’s unfair that the jury, who were drafted to serve on this case, had to look at these photos while the two responsible for everything leading up to this were allowed to cover their eyes. It happens like this in so many cases and I feel that the defendants should have to look at the evidence just as the jury is required to
They dont want to look for two reasons: 1- They are angry that they got caught, hated the baby and only saw him as a punching bag when they got mad or as easy loney for drugs. 2- its manipulative, they are acting hurt so the jury and the judge would think they are mourning the baby and might not receive such a bad punishment.
I just watched a podcast about a 15 day old infant who had 76 fractures. Seventy six. The more the baby cried in the pain, the more her druggy father became annoyed and smashed her tiny body around the room. The little one did not have one day where she felt comfortable, secure, content or loved except the first day of her life while nurses cared for her at the hospital. That story made me literally nauseous and unable to sleep. These cases take a toll on me and I give the MEs and police so much respect for showing up to get justice for them. It can’t be easy seeing these things regularly
This woman has to unemotionally review the bodies of heinous crimes of so called human beings. Without people like her the horrendous truth would never be proven. God bless lady
karen walters There have been some who have falsely ‘found’ evidence that convicted people who were innocent. They are only human and anything can go wrong, no one is perfect. But they see some pretty horrendous stuff.
karen walters it’s not done without emotion. It’s done knowing its going to help put the people who did it behind bars. Children are especially hard on the pathologists.
Hey take your hands down and take a good look . you had no problem looking while you was killing the baby. So stop your crying. You did not cry when you decide to kill. Shame SHAME I'm just saying
In a way, it is good he died so soon. Just think of the torture he would have endured while being raised by those parents. It would have been best to take him away of course, but I am glad he did not have to suffer longer...
Thankfully, precious Baby Dylan had a few days of being loved and secure with his foster mother. If only they had let her keep him and adopt him as she wanted to do.
@@haveyoumetted1000 NO! He should have never gone home to these people. PERIOD! Instead he was murdered by the same person who is supposed to love and protect him the most.
I’m a nurse practitioner and I’ve not had the experience of testifying but I thoroughly enjoy watching when an attorney tries to trip a physician up and they stand their ground and come off unphased.
@@wasimashaikh1117 The teacher stated she recognized children who may have had a rough home life and only needed some love. She thought that she could help and signed up to foster difficult cases. In fact she wound up being called to take Dylan because she was known to take care of needy children. I’m a NICU rn and I volunteer to be assigned to babies born addicted because I don’t mind the difficulties associated with them. They need love too. And I don’t mind the consistent crying, the DT’s and the “fight” to comfort them. I can tell you after working a 12h shift with a addicted baby I’m usually worn out. And maybe this mom found out she may have been overwhelmed and her drug use didn’t help the situation.
I am so grateful we have people like this doctor who spend their lives doing a job most of us couldn't do. She's going to be a big reason that Dylan gets justice.
@@tracie2741 Not to mention the detectives and firefighters who retrieved the body. What a horrible traumatic thing for them. They tracked down the body. RIP, baby boy.
This Medical Examiner is one of the best ones I've watched. Her testimonies are always so informative and so easy to follow versus other M.E.'s I've watched mutiple homicide hearings that she's done and she's so well versed with what she does for a living. As gruesome and horrific as this little baby's death was, I'm so glad that this lady did his autopsy. It was DEFINITELY done properly and to a "T", that's for damn sure! Baby Dillon deserves justice and she is helping to get that for him.
You can look her up under academic papers. She’s written many brilliant articles. I am a neurologist in Connecticut and know her name. She is top-of her field. Pathology is a rough job. Some of the absolute-best physicians that I know are pathologists.
I like that although yes she seems intelligent and capable of doing the job but I also like that she’s warm and most likely treated his body with warmth and respect
Patricia craft should have demanded or insisted on holding the baby so she can have a better look and when the injuries appear I'm sure Dylan would be alive today if she would have done that so I think CPS should be held accountable as well CPS represents protecting children well they didn't really do enough of that when Dylan it was negligence on CPS part
She was only covering her face so she wouldn’t have to look at the carnage she caused. There was absolutely no remorse for that poor baby only that she was caught.
I have nothing but respect and total admiration for the medical examiner. Professional and unemotional the entire time. Amazing fortitude in such a difficult role. She is truly a dedicated and justice focused human 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Not completely unemotional. You can see sometimes in her eyes and the set of her mouth that this was a difficult autopsy to perform and reiterate. But she's done it for so long that the shock of it all has probably worn off for her.
I think she would l ije to strangle the prosecuter! "But yet again these injuries could. Have healed at any point in time!? Correct?" Aaaghhhhh kidding me
@Native Nfree ill be honest. Ive gotten mad at my baby. Exhausted, hungry, stressed and she wont stop crying. This isn’t about that. This is.... i don’t even know..
Something must have gone wrong with this family. She was a nurse at one point right? I don’t know if they were on drugs during their first sons childhood.
prosecutor in Anthony trial messed up by only going after murder in the 1st, he should have went after manslaughter or 2nd degree murder and she would have been found guilty
Now we know why she was always cradling the baby when the case worker came over. This baby had broken ribs 😭 Shame on everyone who failed this little angel.
Here in the UK we had a toddler called baby "P" his mother smeared chocolate spread over her childs hidious wounds when having visits from social services. The poor little scrap didn't stand a chance.
I truly believe Baby Dylan was already dead at the March 28th visit if the social worker even visited. She certainly did nothing to examine him from across the room sitting on the couch. She said he was being fed when she was sitting there and then was burped but didn't make a sound. Have you EVER known a baby to not make some sound when being moved to be burped, ever? I believe Baby Dylan was already dead at that point. Do remember they said they kept him there for "a couple of days" after he died.
Yeah. But the caseworker never noticed anything wrong. Even though Daniel Jr saw the bruising.....and the baby weighed 4 effing lbs....yet.....CPS noticed NOTHING.
@@jlcollins7673 The case worker they put on the witness stand was Rude, she seemed upset, when she was being questioned, about the condition of Dylan when she would go and check on him.
My 5 month old son is my world. He’s my reason for waking up everyday & my reason for living. I literally can’t understand how a “mother” can hurt her child. I can’t even stand to hear my baby cry.
Bless this woman for giving Dylan the voice he never had chance to have. She completely blew apart the 'oh I dropped him, I don't remember' excuse with pure facts.
Why would watching this affect the in any way since they actually caused these injuries. This would affect people that could never hurt a child so we could eliminate these monsters.
If the was in the uk there's no way they could hide their faces. The the judge would have made them look at all the evidence.. and also the Medical Examiner isn't as good as what people make out..
@@mizza9595 probably a little more then it did as the time of meth head junkies and honestly to shame them and glue it in there head again the jury has to watch it and this pathologist is having to relive the situation
The CPS workers that did home visits should also have to see and listen to Mrs Browns Testimony.. they need held accountable too. They didn't see much of Dylan or even hold him. Just saw her holding him and only saw a little of his forhead face and hands.. And 1 visit included the CPS worker going in setting on the couch Through the visit. And only seeing the baby from a sitting position while he was covered laying in his playpen.. The worker needs fired and all 32 of her pending cases needs investigated to make sure this doesn't happen to another child. 🙁
Carol Jacob I wish children services would have to have body cams for interactions with anyone they investigate. Like the police have could have greatly impacted the victims here’s g
@@melissaandersonblue3524 I completely agree with your assessment on what should be a requirement of all CPS interaction of these cases.. especially going forward.
This worker was a lazy piece of crap. She should be banned from working with children for life. How could you not go over and look at the baby especially knowing the history of the parents and that the baby would be withdrawing from drugs . This worker was so negligent.
If its any indication of many countries - child protection services are woefully underfunded, understaffed & sparsely resourced. Many of the workers have multiple hudreds of active clients on their books. Also social/case workers are lowly paid. Couple that with the isolated area the Groves lived at & their evasive ways to hide & not keep appts. this used up a great deal of the case worker's time ...& there were many other urgent clients to be seen as well. This is NOT an excuse. There was more the services could've done. If a fraction of the defence budget or police weaponry could be directed to social services then a lot of these cases can be better monitored. This would allow the case worker to spend more time to observe the child in jeopardy during visits rather than only checking if a child is alive.
@@ebrooks24711 We're already barbaric. Look at these two. Prime example. And that was their OWN child they did this 2. I'd hate to see what they'd do to non relatives. I'm all for testing shampoo out in thier eyes. Daily.
Isabel Ramos,,,,,,,,,you say tests on these people should HAPPEN OTHER than animals???? It would not remove the despicable vile evil that lives within people like this.... GOOD PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER REPEAT OR GET INVOLVED IN THE BEHAVIOR OF THESE DEMONIC MONSTERS... I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR FEELINGS WHICH BY FAR WE SHOULD BE COMPLETELY SICKENED BY THIS BABY'S DEATH. THEY JUST NEED TO BE ELIMINATED AS JUSTICE FOR WHAT AT THEY DID.... WHY DO THEY HIDE THEIR FACES AND CRY???? WHERE WAS THE TEARS FOR THEIR SON WHEN THEY TORTURED HIM TO DEATH?????
If the parents had put as much time and effort into caring for baby Dylan's safety as they did in building his coffin, perhaps Dylan would still be alive today - unbelievable what this child endured from the people who are supposed to love and care for him. Breaks my heart 😞
1:04:00 this made me cry. That poor baby suffered so much with nobody there to help him. Every breath was painful. Every cry would've hurt. On top of all the pain of withdrawal and lack of love, it's too much to comprehend.
Shes very classy. I feel for this woman having to sit here in court describing what happened to this sweet, baby boy. The whole case is just sad. I'm glad this woman is defending Dylan and calling him by name. He was a person. He deserves the dignity and personage that his so called "parents" denied him. God rest his beautiful soul ♡
I am a medical transcriptionist. "Well developed, well nourished" just means they are not a skeleton and have arms and legs. It makes me sick when defense attornies try to say "Well, he was well fed" before they killed him. I need to quit watching baby killer trials......
I dont understand why in the hell our courts dont make these defendants look at the autopsy pics. They did it so to my in my opinion they should be forced to look at what they did to the victim in court.
On one hand defendants are presumed innocent and we can’t and shouldn’t force defendants to look at the photographs, but on the other hand the defendant’s (or plural) body language and behavior during the entire trial tells every reasonable person a ton of accurate information!!
1:03:08 I had 2 broken ribs when I fell on Stairs. There was NO BRUISING OR SWELLING on the outside of my body. But the Pain was Immense. Poor Dylan, May He Rest In Peace with the Angels….
I can't imagine being on this jury and seeing those photos. That would be something that you'd never forget. Just hearing about what this poor baby went through is horrible. It's also a reminder of how much we should appreciate medical examiners. They speak for those who can't speak for themselves. I can't imagine what this lady has seen. The parents should be forced to look at these photos to see what they have done. They don't even look like they're really crying. Just trying to hide their faces and eyes from what they've done.
Right? All that ‘crying’ & ‘sobbing’ and yet dry faces, dry lashes and no redness or blotches on their faces at all! Just trying to get pity. Makes me sick!
This father helped her get rid of this baby he's worse than a driver would be during a murder or drive by... Goodbye dude you helped you're just as guilty as her..
In my state, we've had a lot of little kids be given back to abusive& neglectful parents. They kids were then murdered by them. In fact, a CPS department in a county outside of mine is being investigated for failing to report horrific living conditions& at least one baby died from the neglect. I'm talking insect infestations& filth that they flat out ignored. I wish I was exaggerating because it's really upset me& I wish they were isolated incidents. This is totally unacceptable because these people are supposed to be protecting kids. They seem to take from parents without any abuse occurring& allow other kids to remain with monsters.
They should be held accountable and put on trial too, I feel the same about incompetent police also. If they actually worried about their own lives being ruined and put in prison maybe they would do a lot better job or maybe realise the job is not for them in the first place!
The doctor explained everything very clearly in a way that is easy to understand. We will never fathom the horrible pain baby Dylan was in before he died. Still no visible tears from the mother.
Sara Romero Totally agree with you. It just doesn’t make any sense to me at all. They would certainly have been looked on better doing that than what they ended up doing..........it’s just heartbreaking 💔
@@TGRAM7 yeah, i get that. What i dont get is how does killing him help them with the welfare checks. People are stupid. As disgusting as it sounds, u would think they would keep him alive to keep the checks coming.
It’s my opinion that the state knows from all the evidence that this baby was in a toxic death trap. The state has to pay the foster parent. I believe the state gives the children back to the parents, because they know the child would be killed. This saves the state thousands of dollars monthly per child. There are a lot of cases like this. State gives child back to his demise. Wth?!
Does anyone know how CPS initially got involved? Was it because she had drugs in her system at Dillon’s birth? How long did he live with this foster mom?
4 months of this poor baby Dylan’s life were battling drug detox, healing of broken bones from past beatings, and then the final beatings and thrown in a well. If there is a heaven or life after death, I hope and pray that he is provided the best life!
I can attest to that. Broke 3 bottom ribs this past February. It was agonizing to breath. I had to do breath exercises in Physio because if your lungs don’t expand properly pneumonia sets in. It was agony. And imagine that with all the other broken bones Dylan had.
This might seem cold, but are we suppose to buy that she loves that baby angel now that he’s gone when it was obvious that she didn’t care a thing about him before, during and after his birth? I’m not buying what she’s trying to sell.
These two should be forced to look at what they did to their innocent newborn😱🤮😠 Absolutely disgusting imagine the agony this child went thru in his very short life 😔💔
Baby Dylan's torture stared in the womb. Think about it. Poor little guy was born addicted to drugs and went thru withdrawals. If that wasn't enough, the mom tortured him after CPS gave him back to his natural parents. When that happened, they signed his death warrant. CPS should also be held accountable for their part in this. They suck to say it midly.
I agree those two people should be forced to look at those photos and they should receive the death sentence for sure that lady sure is well educated that makes my stomach hurt thank God I had good parent's my mom and dad yelled my brother Marc and me too. mom and dad would never ever do that me or my brother Marc
Dr. Susan Brown did a great job explaining. Very disturbing case. Dr. Brown got emotional but her testimony was very professional. The prosecutor did a great job. Thank you. God bless you.
In August 1996, I was 4 years old and was involved in a gate accident which left me in hospital for 4 months with lacerations to the back of my head, right tibia broken in 4 places, right femur broken also in 4 places, a shattered pelvis and fractured back which is why I had an 8hrs 30mins of emergency surgery.... I was in horrific pain that I was going in and out of unconsciousness so I can't imagine what baby Dylan went through 😢🥺💔 Bringing a baby into the world should be the happiest time of any parents life and baby Dylan never got to reach any milestones! These animals shouldn't be allowed to breathe in prison!
Yeh I imagine that without the drug induced haze that kills all emotions, they are actually feeling ( maybe...if they have a heart at all) the true emotions that come when you have brutally murdered your helpless innocent baby and pictures of his body are being shown to The Whole world!
@Michelle doe you would be haunted for the rest of your life. Why would you fo that to yourself. I dont think you realize how traumatic that can be for yourself.
@Michelle doe I worked in a gas station and a woman once gave birth in my bathroom to an almost fully developed baby... That is an image that has stuck with me more than things I saw working in the hospital! But I get the curiosity!
Anytime a baby or child is murdered it's horrific 😢 but, when it happens to this degree, we can't help but shut down, it's just too much to comprehend! That poor, precious angel 👼 baby!!!
me too....have you watched cheyenne harris her baby with the maggots ? That is for me the worst one the newborn sat in a swing in a dark room for 13 days......sorry I have to share cuz I am f35cked up over it....from Canada
Cps needs to start being held accountable. It seems like they are always leaving kids in situations they shouldn't and getting involved in things when not necessary.
This makes me want to become a cps agent to help and save sweet children like Dylan from monsters like this! I can't get over how failed he was by the system! It's so heartbreaking!
When I cry that hard , my face is red , my eyes swell shut and my nose red and runny. My cry face lasts days after - it seems to me allegedly that “they the parents” are not really crying
I'd be willing to bet that they were advised by their lawyers to appear upset and remorseful. Unfortunately for those lawyers, this couple are terrible liars.
@@dra2521 The father is falling asleep through half of it and his hands are shaking... Wouldn't doubt he needed a hit of meth in the courtroom... The parents are disgusting humans..
You can also see Jessica is hunched over the desk but no marks/droplets on the surface… like she’s not actually crying. She’s just not looking at what she did to poor baby Dylan.
Amanda Rios they are long past withdrawals....they have been in jail since May. They would have gone through withdrawals when they were first arrested So, no withdrawals would be going on at this point. He just thinks he looks like he is being emotional to the jury....
@@amandarios448 CPS did remove the child after birth then they returned Baby Dylan to his father. She said it is their goal to reunited families!!! Well, they reunited this one long enough for a precious baby to be murdered.
@@ilovejclove7516 But is she broken because Baby Dylan is dead or because she is facing life in prison? She had to know she would not walk away from this. Think about how it could not be deliberate but an accident as she claimed when the injuries were multiple incidents. Most of those injuries even suggest he was thrown or slammed against something. Two skull injuries, at two different times, clearly shows there was not good care for him and would not have happened simply from being dropped "accidentally." That is aside from all the bone fractures. Even the most careless of people would not have that many "accidents" in less than two months!
Anyone noticed the birth giver is "Crying", but there are no tears. My heart breaks for this child and the foster carer, who is probably haunted by this loss :(
As the mother of a baby who died at four months old because of sudden infant death syndrome i can not comprehend how anyone can be so utterly evil they deserve to die we don’t even have the death penalty in England but I would want it for these two inhuman monsters my heart is heavy right now sleep tight little man x
@@noneofyourbusiness302 agreed. It doesn’t really matter unless it’s causing a misunderstanding. In this case, it was perfectly clear what the OP meant in her comment
Doctor should've mentioned it is very hard to break a bone in an infant. Especially complete fractures of 8 bones.They would've had to take Dylan's limb in each of their hands and forcefully break in half. Poor baby suffered severe abuse and pain from fractures over time, swollen, bruised head and malnutrition. Ugh sickening.
The wife's attorney is grounded and has the good sense to ask the medical examiner as few questions as possible. The husband's attorney is living, working and functioning in fantasy land.
L.DOT.M. They didn’t. What they effectively did was preserve little Dylan by suffocating most of the bacteria, meaning he was fairly intact for autopsy, and less decomposed than if he was left unwrapped. It’s the only favour they did for him in his short life....by mistake.
They clearly did know what they where doing , she stated that she was drugged up so didn’t recall much or even knew much of she was doing but if that was the case she wouldn’t be able to possibly wrap that baby with so much plastic and let alone get crates and or other things she used to put the baby and hold it together, that just isn’t something that someone at that extend of intoxication could think of or do .
The lengths they went to to conceal this poor little baby's body is unbelievable!!! It would have taken them hours!! He needs to be thoroughly punished for his role, it's a horrendous level of disregard for the body of his own baby. She was on drugs (still inexcusable), he has no excuse at all. It's worse than what many serial killers have done, worse than many many killers on death row have done. I'm struggling big time with this trial. I'm so utterly enraged and sickened and also so terribly sad for what baby Dylan went through all of his short life. I have no idea how the jurors are coping.
Sarah Drenth all they did was preserve little Dylan for the M.E to examine. Dylan was wrapped so well, the bacteria was suffocating, and wasn’t able to decompose his body like it would if he was left unwrapped. It’s the only thing they ever did for him.
4 1/2 pounds and 20.5 inches. If he had been born that small, they would have kept him in the NICU. He was starved and obviously failed to grow. Unthinkable.
They said the body loses weight as it decomposes though. I’m not sure how much. Either way, absolutely horrific and to think there were old injuries... The poor defence lawyer was really doing some mental gymnastics though. “So, other than the multiple fractures, the bruising (the drugs in his system?), he was well nourished?” Oh yeah, perfect picture of health!
i really like how the medical examiner really emphasized that even if by some miracle there was no external sign of injuries, the baby was in indescribable pain and was crying out to his parents.
@@pattiollweiler2496 absolutely. i just really loved how she made it clear that there was no possible way they couldnt have known something was wrong. shes a very good expert witness.
She didn't drop him. She would have done something with blut force trauma. Kids bones are more pliable when their babies and young children. Just saying
Good point. The thing that was pointed out to me also, that if she didn’t remember what she did but she does “remember” dropping him....🤔 Makes no sense.
almost like she got mad, irritated, because he wouldn't stop crying, grabbed him by the arm and flung him against the wall or something. Poor little baby never had a chance. Meth turns people into monsters and demons. Lived nearby the area this happened for two years of my life, over 20 years ago, as my in laws were originally from that area, and they moved back after military retirement because its cheaper to live there. The area is pretty, but heavily hit by the opioid crisis, and also heavy meth use has caused a lot of deterioration in the area. Also the Piketon/ Rhoden family murder case nearby that area. So sad.
Maybe they also regret... I really think they would for the rest of their miserable lives,but they should have thought about it before! Nobrainers! Drugies!
If you actually look, they are NOT CRYING at all!!! No tears. During the sentencing, they are not even FAKE crying. Moot point at this point in the case!
The pain had to have been immense for this little guy. I cannot BELIEVE how he suffered. Horrendous defendants...these were "people" at one time. WTF happened?
@@cortney3798 this is not the kind of case where there's uncertainties in the evidence already provided in court. Like Daniel said himself, "if they find the body, we're f*cked". And he was absolutely right. Time should still be spent reviewing everything of course, but not a single juror would have any doubt about their guilt.
Such a horrible case but absolutely fascinating listening how the medical examiners go about their jobs with such respect. Such well spoken women, both the examiner and the prosecutor.
@SarahsSimple& StylishMakeup - She did not defend them in any way. She is pointing out there is no justice for Baby Dylan because he is dead and can have no justice. Justice for the deceased victim does not exist. However, justice for his murderers should be complete and total.
😤😤😤 if your kid hit their head on accident you bring them to the damn ER external injuries or not. Especially at that age. My 2 year old daughter fell and smacked her head of the brick fireplace I was at the hospital in 3 minutes. Thank god she didn’t have a brain bleed or skull fracture not even a concussion but better safe than sorry.
beast shawnee it was Mother’s Day thank God I was with my mom and she calmed me down and told me to get to the ER I was freaking out when I saw the blood gushing out of her poor forehead 😭😭😫
Or at the very least you call the doctor and get their advice after a bad fall. My son fell at 10 months old and hit his head. The doc said since there were no signs of concussion not to worry about bringing him in.
God I hate it when Christine says "at some point in time that pain would start to subside." She uses this phrase throughout the trial when speaking of Dylan's wounds. To me she's dismissing the agony Dylan went thru. Does defending Daniel make her lose her empathy and sympathy for a 2 month old baby? Those 4 people at the defense table are all about minimizing the pain Dylan suffered. I'm not sure I would want to lose my humanity to defend someone who's obviously guilty of horrendous acts like these two.
The defense lawyers trying to pick apart the med examiner’s testimony means nothing. That poor child was injured and put into that well never to be found again. Idk why these two didn’t just plead out to to the horrific treatment and ultimate death of poor Dylan.
I just had a baby last Wednesday and this testimony is making me nauseous. I don't know how anyone could be so cruel. I can't imagine harming one hair on my son's head, let alone doing half of what these despicable MONSTERS did to innocent baby Dylan.
MONSTERS! It’s oddly satisfying watching these parents during the gruesome medical examiner testimony. Those aren’t tears for their infant. Those are tears of recognition that the world now knows what they are capable of. I only wish that they were forced to look at the photos.
Bwaaahahaa the good Dr. is cracking me up with the dirty looks she keeps throwing at the defense table! Then "blows" her nose as if to say, did you hear THAT 😂😂😂 Rock on Doc, you deserve it after this one!!! Tough case, Bless you 💞✌🏼
I am amazed and have deep respect for her that she is managing to remain professional during all of this but it is clear she is reliving doing the autopsy and how she felt then.
Very disturbing case. A life taken and died without ever having lived. So sad. A baby how could any human do that to him Where was the state? They gave him back to monsters!
She resembles the cowardly lion on the wizard of Oz. And I'm glad the Doctor was so thorough and descriptive, as to make those demons have to sit there while everyone glared at them in disbelief and disgust, knowing the world would know what they did to a helpless innocent baby. Man, this makes me sooo angry.
@Native Nfree They probably know they might have to represent specimens like these two from time time. The defence attorney in the Rosenbaums' trial actually specialises in cases like this.
I remember a case many years ago where a judge ordered that pics of the victim, were plastered onto the perp' s cell wall. He was therefore made to look at that pic every single day.
Thank you! I was trying to hold back, but can't. She is as irritating as a mosquito! So hard to follow with her failed smoke and mirrors trick. Questions are convoluted and confusing. Couple that with the 'um's' and dry hand rubbing, I think self-representation would be as effective. In her defense, it was a lost cause.
@@vanessacarman5031 what are they really suppose to do? There's so much evidence against their clients. They're just getting a paycheck and making sure these monsters get put away.
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I appreciate how the Medical Examiner calls him by his name instead of referring to him as a body. It gives him the respect of existing. RIP Dylan x
yes, I watch many cases and the examiners usually seem very cold and seperated from the fact this is an actual person and not a "specimen"
Sophie Jones ,,Thanks for coming back to, and stating the main point poignantly simple, despite getting lost in these horrific specifics and details..we’re praying 🙏 here the same: Dylan x , RIP xox
Jennifer S. This mindset is sometimes necessary to do the job in the most-objective manner possible.
If physicians and surgeons lacked the abilities to do so, none would last more-than a couple of years.
Post-mortem exams are such a vital piece of evidence that objectivity is the only way.
Not that post-mortem exam, especially if children and those murdered, is without pain and sorrow to the pathologist for to get the best evidence, one must take a step back.
I would bet-and-win that Dr Brown lost a few nights sleep over Dylan Groves.
@@JaimeMesChiens Thank you, I can only imagine what she went through, when they brought that poor babys body in for her to examine, I am sure she has cried many tears, when she is at home,
I could never do her job...the minute a child came in such as Dylan's situation 😡😡.....I wouldn't be able to be objective. It's so terribly sad we have to have, but I'm deeply grateful, for people like her. 😢😢 ❤
She's covering her eyes. They should make her look at what she did!
Joan Kelley - I agree, they should have to see their work! The jury members have to look, they’re just doing a civic duty, yet- they will never unsee the abuse that poor baby endured.
Exactly what I was thinking. Absolute monster. Poor little angel suffered so much 😢
She's doing that for the camera. She hasn't shed 1 tear for that baby.
She looks more bored than upset, they both do. If that was my child I would be crying my heart out, covered in snot and tears. She's not even red. Pretend sobbing.
Joan Kelley both of them. 🤬
Shout to the medical examiner who knew every number.. every detail... every fact without hesitation and not needed to refer to her notes ever.... she felt every moment of this case... she did amazing
Notice his parents can't even look at what they did to this poor baby. They should have been made to look
@@angie-kbm They can't look because they arent sad about the baby, they are sad that they got caught. Baby dylan for them was just a punching bag when they got mad or high, and maybe they saw him as a oportunity to get easy money for more drugs, but when they killed him it all went down. For them baby dylan was not a human, they are so disgusting. Am glad Baby dylan at least had such an amazing foster mother, who tried to provide him with love and care, am also glad Judy got them justice in her statements. She manage to reach everybody and crush our hearts with how passionate she was about not letting them go unpunish.
To be a woman of her generation from a small town going to college, medical school, and extensive advanced forensics training takes a special kind of person who is not deterred by obstacles, is very bright, but also very self-respecting, careful, and responsible. I can only imagine she has lived her entire life with this kind of focus and engagement in what she does, and reflects so well on the strength of her character.
They should have their own photograph’s so she has done a very good job there
It is her job😂😂
I think it’s unfair that the jury, who were drafted to serve on this case, had to look at these photos while the two responsible for everything leading up to this were allowed to cover their eyes. It happens like this in so many cases and I feel that the defendants should have to look at the evidence just as the jury is required to
Totally agree.
There is no need. They CAUSED it .. that definitely won’t effect them
They're sober now. Seeing what you've done though sober eyes is a totally different view.
They dont want to look for two reasons:
1- They are angry that they got caught, hated the baby and only saw him as a punching bag when they got mad or as easy loney for drugs.
2- its manipulative, they are acting hurt so the jury and the judge would think they are mourning the baby and might not receive such a bad punishment.
This is heart breaking
I can't even fathom the amount of pain this tiny baby suffered.
I just watched a podcast about a 15 day old infant who had 76 fractures. Seventy six.
The more the baby cried in the pain, the more her druggy father became annoyed and smashed her tiny body around the room.
The little one did not have one day where she felt comfortable, secure, content or loved except the first day of her life while nurses cared for her at the hospital.
That story made me literally nauseous and unable to sleep.
These cases take a toll on me and I give the MEs and police so much respect for showing up to get justice for them.
It can’t be easy seeing these things regularly
This woman has to unemotionally review the bodies of heinous crimes of so called human beings. Without people like her the horrendous truth would never be proven. God bless lady
karen walters There have been some who have falsely ‘found’ evidence that convicted people who were innocent. They are only human and anything can go wrong, no one is perfect. But they see some pretty horrendous stuff.
karen walters it’s not done without emotion. It’s done knowing its going to help put the people who did it behind bars. Children are especially hard on the pathologists.
Well said!
@@PetroicaRodinogaster264 I'm sorry. When were coroners appointed judge and jury, again?
Jesus people are thick.
I was thinking the same thing. This woman’s strength is helping to bring justice to Dylan.
Hey take your hands down and take a good look . you had no problem looking while you was killing the baby. So stop your crying. You did not cry when you decide to kill.
Shame SHAME
I'm just saying
shes probably not even really crying. shes covering up so the jury doesnt see that shes actually not even phased
Christine, I am with you 100%.
And even after death. They had no problem wrapping him in all that garbage
I can’t believe that anyone is capable of being that evil. I’m so angry with everyone was involved in the crime. May all of them go to hell!!!!
I was screaming at the screen! LOOK AT WHAT YOU DID YOU COWARDS! Over and over
The poor little guy had a horrible life before his death. So many fractures. It breaks my heart that he went through so much pain in his short life.
In a way, it is good he died so soon. Just think of the torture he would have endured while being raised by those parents. It would have been best to take him away of course, but I am glad he did not have to suffer longer...
Thankfully, precious Baby Dylan had a few days of being loved and secure with his foster mother. If only they had let her keep him and adopt him as she wanted to do.
I’ve had a couple of broken ribs and the pain was excruciating. OMG the poor little baby
@@warialdasue It's so sad. When I think of the pain he went through it just makes me sick.
@@haveyoumetted1000 NO! He should have never gone home to these people. PERIOD! Instead he was murdered by the same person who is supposed to love and protect him the most.
I’m a nurse practitioner and I’ve not had the experience of testifying but I thoroughly enjoy watching when an attorney tries to trip a physician up and they stand their ground and come off unphased.
Correction you are a gorgeous nurse practitioner ❤❤❤
12 days...12 days of love is all Dylan got from his _real_ mommy. I wish she could have kept him and gave him the life he deserved😔
😞💔
Yes, that saint of a woman would have given him a beautiful life.
It’s extremely hard to think about all the what ifs😭
RIP angel baby
but what was the reason why she did that??
@@wasimashaikh1117 The teacher stated she recognized children who may have had a rough home life and only needed some love. She thought that she could help and signed up to foster difficult cases. In fact she wound up being called to take Dylan because she was known to take care of needy children. I’m a NICU rn and I volunteer to be assigned to babies born addicted because I don’t mind the difficulties associated with them. They need love too. And I don’t mind the consistent crying, the DT’s and the “fight” to comfort them. I can tell you after working a 12h shift with a addicted baby I’m usually worn out. And maybe this mom found out she may have been overwhelmed and her drug use didn’t help the situation.
@@femf8tal oh ok
God bless the medical examiner, she looks as though she has made peace with the evil that her profession has to witness. 💔 RIP baby Dylan💔💔💔💔
I am so grateful we have people like this doctor who spend their lives doing a job most of us couldn't do. She's going to be a big reason that Dylan gets justice.
@@tracie2741 Not to mention the detectives and firefighters who retrieved the body. What a horrible traumatic thing for them. They tracked down the body. RIP, baby boy.
Saddies L. It affects them. Especially the children they have to autopsy. A child is never just a body, or a normal part of the job.
totally agree. i work for 6 Pathologists and type up autopsies on a regular basis. Dear Dylan RIP, so sorry this happened to you xx
I wish ppl would stop saying the child should be ripped. How horrrible. Leave him be.
This Medical Examiner is one of the best ones I've watched. Her testimonies are always so informative and so easy to follow versus other M.E.'s
I've watched mutiple homicide hearings that she's done and she's so well versed with what she does for a living. As gruesome and horrific as this little baby's death was, I'm so glad that this lady did his autopsy. It was DEFINITELY done properly and to a "T", that's for damn sure! Baby Dillon deserves justice and she is helping to get that for him.
You can look her up under academic papers. She’s written many brilliant articles.
I am a neurologist in Connecticut and know her name.
She is top-of her field.
Pathology is a rough job. Some of the absolute-best physicians that I know are pathologists.
I like that although yes she seems intelligent and capable of doing the job but I also like that she’s warm and most likely treated his body with warmth and respect
She’s brilliant like Dr G.
What other trials has she been on? Any available on RUclips? Thanks.
@@pamk9333
I'll try to find them and link them when I can. I'm really sick right now though and can't for a little bit.
CPS should be on trial as well for failing in every way with Dylan! This is beyond horrific and shameful.
I completely agree with you, at the end of the day cps workers don’t care about the children, they only care for the check unfortunately.
Absolutely...no wonder that CPS worker chose to hide her identity from the media 😔
Yep. This is happening daily now! Sickening. 😩
After Gabriel cps will get away with everything
Patricia craft should have demanded or insisted on holding the baby so she can have a better look and when the injuries appear I'm sure Dylan would be alive today if she would have done that so I think CPS should be held accountable as well CPS represents protecting children well they didn't really do enough of that when Dylan it was negligence on CPS part
Never seen someone cry so much without shedding one tear
She was only covering her face so she wouldn’t have to look at the carnage she caused. There was absolutely no remorse for that poor baby only that she was caught.
That's what I was thinking - and trying to figure out. It appears that she's not really crying. Such a sad story.
I was in awe with that prosecuter. She was amazing in everything she said. She fought tooth and nail for that baby.. God bless her. 😍
I have nothing but respect and total admiration for the medical examiner. Professional and unemotional the entire time. Amazing fortitude in such a difficult role. She is truly a dedicated and justice focused human 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Not completely unemotional. You can see sometimes in her eyes and the set of her mouth that this was a difficult autopsy to perform and reiterate. But she's done it for so long that the shock of it all has probably worn off for her.
She’s one hell of a great witness. She must really have to disassociate her mom instincts to not want to kill those parents.
susie jordan Dr. Brown does seem to look at the parents with disgust!
@Carielynn 330 exactly. I could NEVER do this job. Thank God someone can!!
I think she would l ije to strangle the prosecuter! "But yet again these injuries could. Have healed at any point in time!? Correct?" Aaaghhhhh kidding me
@@fathersdaughter173 you mean Jessica's defense atty??
@@59Alaskan yes
So hard to imagine that anyone would do that to a baby.
Not to mention their own flesh!
Yes it is very hard, I'm 7 months pregnant with my 1st and it makes it even harder to watch.
I so agree they must of been high to do such a thing
They don't see him as a person, they see him as a thing.
@Native Nfree ill be honest. Ive gotten mad at my baby. Exhausted, hungry, stressed and she wont stop crying.
This isn’t about that. This is.... i don’t even know..
I’d love to know what their poor 15 year old son has been enduring all these years if this is what they’ve done to a two month old
Exactly what I thought he probably kept out of there way so they wouldn't hurt him
Praying for him.
@@gailthomson3873 up
Something must have gone wrong with this family. She was a nurse at one point right? I don’t know if they were on drugs during their first sons childhood.
@@68dillpickle he's still a child, so yes they were drug addicts during his childhood.😭😭
I loved watching this trial. The prosecutor took this case personally, she was a bulldog in the court! Too bad she didn’t prosecute the Anthony case
Casey Anthony would be rotting in jail today if Julie could prosecute her
prosecutor in Anthony trial messed up by only going after murder in the 1st, he should have went after manslaughter or 2nd degree murder and she would have been found guilty
The mother is 39??? She looks 60.
That's because she's a nasty meth junkie
Yep, drugs will surely do that to a person.
Wow crazy but that is what drugs do to poeple
@@stephaniejacobs1267 sorry i said the same as you my apologies i did not read it
Drugs are bad, mmmkay
Now we know why she was always cradling the baby when the case worker came over. This baby had broken ribs 😭 Shame on everyone who failed this little angel.
Nechole Roberts , I know. So disgusting. Just give the baby up!!!! 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Here in the UK we had a toddler called baby "P" his mother smeared chocolate spread over her childs hidious wounds when having visits from social services. The poor little scrap didn't stand a chance.
I truly believe Baby Dylan was already dead at the March 28th visit if the social worker even visited. She certainly did nothing to examine him from across the room sitting on the couch. She said he was being fed when she was sitting there and then was burped but didn't make a sound. Have you EVER known a baby to not make some sound when being moved to be burped, ever? I believe Baby Dylan was already dead at that point. Do remember they said they kept him there for "a couple of days" after he died.
Yeah. But the caseworker never noticed anything wrong. Even though Daniel Jr saw the bruising.....and the baby weighed 4 effing lbs....yet.....CPS noticed NOTHING.
@@jlcollins7673 The case worker they put on the witness stand was Rude, she seemed upset, when she was being questioned, about the condition of Dylan when she would go and check on him.
They literally broke every bone in this innocent child’s body. I hope they get everything that’s coming to them X 3. Evil pathetic demons.
Lost In Nevermore You are right “Demons” is the right word. I’m praying that they Get torchere every minute of the rest of their horrible lives.
I don’t even know what a severe enough punishment there could be for the abusers. Beyond torture because that baby lived in agony.
I don’t know... I think that there is a level of evil that even demons would reject.
@@patwats8860 people in prison will take care of them
@@cathyshirley3948 oh yes they will!
My 5 month old son is my world. He’s my reason for waking up everyday & my reason for living. I literally can’t understand how a “mother” can hurt her child. I can’t even stand to hear my baby cry.
Bless this woman for giving Dylan the voice he never had chance to have. She completely blew apart the 'oh I dropped him, I don't remember' excuse with pure facts.
I WOULD HAVE MADE THEM STAND UP, PUT THEIR HANDS TO THEIR SIDES, OPEN THEIR EYES AND FACE THE PHOTOS.
Yet you probably think “Clockwork Orange” is a disgusting movie.
Why would watching this affect the in any way since they actually caused these injuries. This would affect people that could never hurt a child so we could eliminate these monsters.
Yes. I don't know why these killers even have rights.
If the was in the uk there's no way they could hide their faces. The the judge would have made them look at all the evidence.. and also the Medical Examiner isn't as good as what people make out..
@@mizza9595 probably a little more then it did as the time of meth head junkies and honestly to shame them and glue it in there head again the jury has to watch it and this pathologist is having to relive the situation
The CPS workers that did home visits should also have to see and listen to Mrs Browns Testimony.. they need held accountable too. They didn't see much of Dylan or even hold him. Just saw her holding him and only saw a little of his forhead face and hands.. And 1 visit included the CPS worker going in setting on the couch Through the visit. And only seeing the baby from a sitting position while he was covered laying in his playpen.. The worker needs fired and all 32 of her pending cases needs investigated to make sure this doesn't happen to another child. 🙁
Carol Jacob I wish children services would have to have body cams for interactions with anyone they investigate. Like the police have could have greatly impacted the victims here’s g
@@melissaandersonblue3524 I completely agree with your assessment on what should be a requirement of all CPS interaction of these cases.. especially going forward.
This worker was a lazy piece of crap. She should be banned from working with children for life. How could you not go over and look at the baby especially knowing the history of the parents and that the baby would be withdrawing from drugs . This worker was so negligent.
@@taratrudeau2029 I completely agree. 🙁
If its any indication of many countries - child protection services are woefully underfunded, understaffed & sparsely resourced. Many of the workers have multiple hudreds of active clients on their books. Also social/case workers are lowly paid. Couple that with the isolated area the Groves lived at & their evasive ways to hide & not keep appts. this used up a great deal of the case worker's time ...& there were many other urgent clients to be seen as well.
This is NOT an excuse. There was more the services could've done. If a fraction of the defence budget or police weaponry could be directed to social services then a lot of these cases can be better monitored.
This would allow the case worker to spend more time to observe the child in jeopardy during visits rather than only checking if a child is alive.
Instead of doing tests on animals they should do on people like these.
Isabel Ramos yes indeed.
Great idea, but that would make us a barbaric society.
@@ebrooks24711 We're already barbaric. Look at these two. Prime example. And that was their OWN child they did this 2. I'd hate to see what they'd do to non relatives.
I'm all for testing shampoo out in thier eyes. Daily.
Isabel Ramos,,,,,,,,,you say tests on these people should HAPPEN OTHER than animals???? It would not remove the despicable vile evil that lives within people like this.... GOOD PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER REPEAT OR GET INVOLVED IN THE BEHAVIOR OF THESE DEMONIC MONSTERS...
I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR FEELINGS WHICH BY FAR WE SHOULD BE COMPLETELY SICKENED BY THIS BABY'S DEATH. THEY JUST NEED TO BE ELIMINATED AS JUSTICE FOR WHAT AT THEY DID....
WHY DO THEY HIDE THEIR FACES AND CRY???? WHERE WAS THE TEARS FOR THEIR SON WHEN THEY TORTURED HIM TO DEATH?????
absolutly!...more so when this is life without parole and death row ... i sign to the brilliant an great possible improvment for reserches
If the parents had put as much time and effort into caring for baby Dylan's safety as they did in building his coffin, perhaps Dylan would still be alive today - unbelievable what this child endured from the people who are supposed to love and care for him. Breaks my heart 😞
1:04:00 this made me cry. That poor baby suffered so much with nobody there to help him. Every breath was painful. Every cry would've hurt. On top of all the pain of withdrawal and lack of love, it's too much to comprehend.
Dr Brown is a gorgeous woman and highly educated.
She oozes class, style and intelligence. She makes the world a better place and her professionalism is highly commendable.
Shes very classy. I feel for this woman having to sit here in court describing what happened to this sweet, baby boy. The whole case is just sad. I'm glad this woman is defending Dylan and calling him by name. He was a person. He deserves the dignity and personage that his so called "parents" denied him. God rest his beautiful soul ♡
@@TheMightyBlackPearl very well said!!
she really is
I was thinking the same thing. I love her hair too! Absolutely beautiful.
I am a medical transcriptionist. "Well developed, well nourished" just means they are not a skeleton and have arms and legs. It makes me sick when defense attornies try to say "Well, he was well fed" before they killed him. I need to quit watching baby killer trials......
As a retired MT myself, that failed to escape me as well.
I dont understand why in the hell our courts dont make these defendants look at the autopsy pics. They did it so to my in my opinion they should be forced to look at what they did to the victim in court.
They should put the autopsy photos on the walls in their cells so they have to look at them EVERY DAY. She beat a baby. It just blows my mind.
@@wendymathews1030 I agree. They should have to see it for the test of their lives.
@@wendymathews1030 I agree
On one hand defendants are presumed innocent and we can’t and shouldn’t force defendants to look at the photographs, but on the other hand the defendant’s (or plural) body language and behavior during the entire trial tells every reasonable person a ton of accurate information!!
They are covering their faces it's not fair. The baby suffered
1:03:08 I had 2 broken ribs when I fell on Stairs. There was NO BRUISING OR SWELLING on the outside of my body. But the Pain was Immense. Poor Dylan, May He Rest In Peace with the Angels….
I can't imagine being on this jury and seeing those photos. That would be something that you'd never forget. Just hearing about what this poor baby went through is horrible. It's also a reminder of how much we should appreciate medical examiners. They speak for those who can't speak for themselves. I can't imagine what this lady has seen. The parents should be forced to look at these photos to see what they have done. They don't even look like they're really crying. Just trying to hide their faces and eyes from what they've done.
Right? All that ‘crying’ & ‘sobbing’ and yet dry faces, dry lashes and no redness or blotches on their faces at all! Just trying to get pity. Makes me sick!
This father helped her get rid of this baby he's worse than a driver would be during a murder or drive by... Goodbye dude you helped you're just as guilty as her..
That female prosecutor is a beast!! You go girl!
We down here in Portmouth love Julie!! She tears into people and goes after it!
Hey she’d be a great candidate for Congress or Senate
Oh.yea she's good
The authorities have to stop giving children back to abusers, they share in The guilt for not protecting this baby.
In my state, we've had a lot of little kids be given back to abusive& neglectful parents. They kids were then murdered by them. In fact, a CPS department in a county outside of mine is being investigated for failing to report horrific living conditions& at least one baby died from the neglect. I'm talking insect infestations& filth that they flat out ignored. I wish I was exaggerating because it's really upset me& I wish they were isolated incidents. This is totally unacceptable because these people are supposed to be protecting kids. They seem to take from parents without any abuse occurring& allow other kids to remain with monsters.
Absolutely!!!
Abusers need to be sterilized so they can't procreate.
Right? His foster mom would have been the best for him. What an absolute tragedy. I'm glad they are in jail for life with no parole. Sickos.
They should be held accountable and put on trial too, I feel the same about incompetent police also. If they actually worried about their own lives being ruined and put in prison maybe they would do a lot better job or maybe realise the job is not for them in the first place!
The doctor explained everything very clearly in a way that is easy to understand. We will never fathom the horrible pain baby Dylan was in before he died. Still no visible tears from the mother.
I want this Dr. to do my autopsy and testify on my behalf if something terrible ever happens to me. She's a real life hero.
Why didn't they just refuse to take the baby back? Foster mom would have gladly adopted him. If they didn't want him, just say so!
Sara Romero Totally agree with you. It just doesn’t make any sense to me at all. They would certainly have been looked on better doing that than what they ended up doing..........it’s just heartbreaking 💔
They were probably getting a welfare check for the baby....that they were probably using for drugs. I’m sure that’s the only reason they ‘wanted’ him.
@@TGRAM7 yeah, i get that. What i dont get is how does killing him help them with the welfare checks. People are stupid. As disgusting as it sounds, u would think they would keep him alive to keep the checks coming.
It’s my opinion that the state knows from all the evidence that this baby was in a toxic death trap. The state has to pay the foster parent. I believe the state gives the children back to the parents, because they know the child would be killed.
This saves the state thousands of dollars monthly per child.
There are a lot of cases like this. State gives child back to his demise. Wth?!
Does anyone know how CPS initially got involved? Was it because she had drugs in her system at Dillon’s birth? How long did he live with this foster mom?
This Angel Dylan weighed less in death than when he was born. Poor baby is in God's hands and safe now.
But his body was decomposing
@@theresenorway Just the body but not Dylan's light. God bless him
Thea mama Emma depends on how decomposed he was. Decomposition can often make a body gain weight due to expansion of bacteria in the gut. Bloating.
@@theresenorway good point
@@theresenorway His skeleton would not have shrunk to twenty-plus inches in lenghth.
The autopsy doctor was very smart, affirming, and tactical. Very inspiring and respectable.
4 months of this poor baby Dylan’s life were battling drug detox, healing of broken bones from past beatings, and then the final beatings and thrown in a well. If there is a heaven or life after death, I hope and pray that he is provided the best life!
Me too😭 To hear of what this precious child endured is so horrific and sad.
What got me was the rib fractures and the medical examiner saying it would have hurt him with every breath 😔
I can attest to that. Broke 3 bottom ribs this past February. It was agonizing to breath. I had to do breath exercises in Physio because if your lungs don’t expand properly pneumonia sets in. It was agony. And imagine that with all the other broken bones Dylan had.
This might seem cold, but are we suppose to buy that she loves that baby angel now that he’s gone when it was obvious that she didn’t care a thing about him before, during and after his birth? I’m not buying what she’s trying to sell.
She is sad she got caught. That's all that is.
The parents are embarrassed of what they did
That's not cold, that's just a fact! She only cares about herself.
She’s not sobbing for the loss of her baby, she’s crying because she got caught.
She not crying for him so I don't know who would be sold to her crying wouldn't think that she would be crying for a child she murder.
These two should be forced to look at what they did to their innocent newborn😱🤮😠
Absolutely disgusting imagine the agony this child went thru in his very short life 😔💔
Baby Dylan's torture stared in the womb. Think about it. Poor little guy was born addicted to drugs and went thru withdrawals. If that wasn't enough, the mom tortured him after CPS gave him back to his natural parents. When that happened, they signed his death warrant. CPS should also be held accountable for their part in this. They suck to say it midly.
I agree those two people should be forced to look at those photos and they should receive the death sentence for sure that lady sure is well educated that makes my stomach hurt thank God I had good parent's my mom and dad yelled my brother Marc and me too. mom and dad would never ever do that me or my brother Marc
Medical examiner very professional and well educated. Very good at what she does.
Dr. Susan Brown did a great job explaining. Very disturbing case. Dr. Brown got emotional but her testimony was very professional. The prosecutor did a great job. Thank you. God bless you.
In August 1996, I was 4 years old and was involved in a gate accident which left me in hospital for 4 months with lacerations to the back of my head, right tibia broken in 4 places, right femur broken also in 4 places, a shattered pelvis and fractured back which is why I had an 8hrs 30mins of emergency surgery.... I was in horrific pain that I was going in and out of unconsciousness so I can't imagine what baby Dylan went through 😢🥺💔 Bringing a baby into the world should be the happiest time of any parents life and baby Dylan never got to reach any milestones! These animals shouldn't be allowed to breathe in prison!
Put your GD heads up & look at what you did to that poor innocent baby!!!!!!
Cant imagine having to look at these photos.
@Michelle doe I do too!
Yeh I imagine that without the drug induced haze that kills all emotions, they are actually feeling ( maybe...if they have a heart at all) the true emotions that come when you have brutally murdered your helpless innocent baby and pictures of his body are being shown to The Whole world!
@Michelle doe you would be haunted for the rest of your life. Why would you fo that to yourself. I dont think you realize how traumatic that can be for yourself.
@Michelle doe I worked in a gas station and a woman once gave birth in my bathroom to an almost fully developed baby... That is an image that has stuck with me more than things I saw working in the hospital! But I get the curiosity!
I could never be on a murder jury. PTSD for life
I've been watching and reading true crime for 30 years, this testimony shook me to my core.
Trial of rosenbaums the foster parents convicted of killing foster child Layla daniels was devastating as well.
Anytime a baby or child is murdered it's horrific 😢 but, when it happens to this degree, we can't help but shut down, it's just too much to comprehend! That poor, precious angel 👼 baby!!!
me too....have you watched cheyenne harris her baby with the maggots ? That is for me the worst one the newborn sat in a swing in a dark room for 13 days......sorry I have to share cuz I am f35cked up over it....from Canada
@@raintree3383 no, but I watched Gabriel Hernandez trial on Netflix. I cried.
@@raintree3383 it's horrific. He got eaten alive by bugs and maggots. Check her Facebook.
Cps needs to start being held accountable. It seems like they are always leaving kids in situations they shouldn't and getting involved in things when not necessary.
My exact words!!! Half if not more don’t do enough so save the children, POS
This makes me want to become a cps agent to help and save sweet children like Dylan from monsters like this! I can't get over how failed he was by the system! It's so heartbreaking!
When I cry that hard , my face is red , my eyes swell shut and my nose red and runny. My cry face lasts days after - it seems to me allegedly that “they the parents” are not really crying
I'd be willing to bet that they were advised by their lawyers to appear upset and remorseful. Unfortunately for those lawyers, this couple are terrible liars.
@@dra2521 The father is falling asleep through half of it and his hands are shaking... Wouldn't doubt he needed a hit of meth in the courtroom... The parents are disgusting humans..
All that and my eyelids and that part underneath my eyebrows swell up soooo bad it takes days to look normal again.
You can also see Jessica is hunched over the desk but no marks/droplets on the surface… like she’s not actually crying. She’s just not looking at what she did to poor baby Dylan.
He’s just covering his mouth so no one sees what he is saying to her. Luckily prisoners don’t like baby killers.
The only thing is, I don't think this POS is shredding a single tear.
Amanda Rios they are long past withdrawals....they have been in jail since May. They would have gone through withdrawals when they were first arrested So, no withdrawals would be going on at this point. He just thinks he looks like he is being emotional to the jury....
@@amandarios448 CPS did remove the child after birth then they returned Baby Dylan to his father. She said it is their goal to reunited families!!! Well, they reunited this one long enough for a precious baby to be murdered.
It was not deliberate the mother is clearly broken .
@@ilovejclove7516 But is she broken because Baby Dylan is dead or because she is facing life in prison? She had to know she would not walk away from this. Think about how it could not be deliberate but an accident as she claimed when the injuries were multiple incidents. Most of those injuries even suggest he was thrown or slammed against something. Two skull injuries, at two different times, clearly shows there was not good care for him and would not have happened simply from being dropped "accidentally." That is aside from all the bone fractures. Even the most careless of people would not have that many "accidents" in less than two months!
Hate how that thing has her head down pretending to cry. She should be made to look at what she did to that poor baby boy.
I agree 100%. Make her look at the photos.
Agreed 100%!!! They are cowards!!!!! She should NOT BE ABLE to HIDE IN HER HANDS!!!! What a coward.
Anyone noticed the birth giver is "Crying", but there are no tears.
My heart breaks for this child and the foster carer, who is probably haunted by this loss :(
Why were these murderers not forced to look at the pictures of their evil deeds?
I pray for the foster mother. She loved that baby more in 2 weeks than his "birth mom" ever did.
I would’ve thought she would Have held her breath to at least make her face turn red if she couldn’t cry.
As the mother of a baby who died at four months old because of sudden infant death syndrome i can not comprehend how anyone can be so utterly evil they deserve to die we don’t even have the death penalty in England but I would want it for these two inhuman monsters my heart is heavy right now sleep tight little man x
So sorry for your loss 💔
You cannot comprehend it because you are a normal, good person. These " parents" are monsters. So so sorry for your loss 😞
Dr Brown is very thorough and matter of fact though ,it would have been traumatic for her to perform the autopsy on this poor little boy.
I am glad thay have too sit through all this. Thay should be made too look every photo.
"To".... ignoramus.🙄
Yep..her testimony is she 'cant remember'...then show her photos ..jar her memory
They* no such word as "thay"
Rude people 😒 stop correcting other's grammar! 😤 😒
@@noneofyourbusiness302 agreed. It doesn’t really matter unless it’s causing a misunderstanding. In this case, it was perfectly clear what the OP meant in her comment
Doctor should've mentioned it is very hard to break a bone in an infant. Especially complete fractures of 8 bones.They would've had to take Dylan's limb in each of their hands and forcefully break in half. Poor baby suffered severe abuse and pain from fractures over time, swollen, bruised head and malnutrition. Ugh sickening.
It must be horrifying for the jurors to have to look at photos of this.
The wife's attorney is grounded and has the good sense to ask the medical examiner as few questions as possible. The husband's attorney is living, working and functioning in fantasy land.
It's amazing to watch someone grasp so desperately at straws.
So many layers of plastic and duct tape.
They knew what they were doing.
L.DOT.M. They didn’t. What they effectively did was preserve little Dylan by suffocating most of the bacteria, meaning he was fairly intact for autopsy, and less decomposed than if he was left unwrapped. It’s the only favour they did for him in his short life....by mistake.
Exactly. Plus the layers were different materials.
@Gail Cox
Agree
They clearly did know what they where doing , she stated that she was drugged up so didn’t recall much or even knew much of she was doing but if that was the case she wouldn’t be able to possibly wrap that baby with so much plastic and let alone get crates and or other things she used to put the baby and hold it together, that just isn’t something that someone at that extend of intoxication could think of or do .
The lengths they went to to conceal this poor little baby's body is unbelievable!!! It would have taken them hours!! He needs to be thoroughly punished for his role, it's a horrendous level of disregard for the body of his own baby. She was on drugs (still inexcusable), he has no excuse at all. It's worse than what many serial killers have done, worse than many many killers on death row have done. I'm struggling big time with this trial. I'm so utterly enraged and sickened and also so terribly sad for what baby Dylan went through all of his short life. I have no idea how the jurors are coping.
Sarah Drenth I agree; I’ve been thinking about what the jurors were going through. This would be a terrible case to get over.
Sarah Drenth all they did was preserve little Dylan for the M.E to examine. Dylan was wrapped so well, the bacteria was suffocating, and wasn’t able to decompose his body like it would if he was left unwrapped. It’s the only thing they ever did for him.
Baby Dylan was 4 months old and only weighed 41/2 lbs? That's insane.
4 1/2 pounds and 20.5 inches. If he had been born that small, they would have kept him in the NICU. He was starved and obviously failed to grow. Unthinkable.
They said the body loses weight as it decomposes though. I’m not sure how much.
Either way, absolutely horrific and to think there were old injuries...
The poor defence lawyer was really doing some mental gymnastics though. “So, other than the multiple fractures, the bruising (the drugs in his system?), he was well nourished?”
Oh yeah, perfect picture of health!
@@laurafedora5385 Decomposition would not change his length.
My son weighted that at birth
Mysonweighed5 10at birth that was preemie small!! How disgusting
It's crazy how the parents crying and hiding their faces when they are the ones that put that poor baby in those crates!!!!! 😥
I feel like the tears are for the punishment they are going to get. Not for the baby.
i really like how the medical examiner really emphasized that even if by some miracle there was no external sign of injuries, the baby was in indescribable pain and was crying out to his parents.
I agree, however one shouldn't try to share out the guilt here. It lies exclusively with the perpetrators.
@@pattiollweiler2496 absolutely. i just really loved how she made it clear that there was no possible way they couldnt have known something was wrong. shes a very good expert witness.
So if it was an accident she “accidentally” dropped him more than once and never took him to the hospital????
She admitted to murdering the baby. Wym am accident? I haven’t gotten that far
She didn't drop him. She would have done something with blut force trauma. Kids bones are more pliable when their babies and young children. Just saying
Good point. The thing that was pointed out to me also, that if she didn’t remember what she did but she does “remember” dropping him....🤔 Makes no sense.
almost like she got mad, irritated, because he wouldn't stop crying, grabbed him by the arm and flung him against the wall or something. Poor little baby never had a chance. Meth turns people into monsters and demons. Lived nearby the area this happened for two years of my life, over 20 years ago, as my in laws were originally from that area, and they moved back after military retirement because its cheaper to live there. The area is pretty, but heavily hit by the opioid crisis, and also heavy meth use has caused a lot of deterioration in the area. Also the Piketon/ Rhoden family murder case nearby that area. So sad.
Accidentally starved him too....
THESE PEOPLE ARE MONSTERS. PURE EVIL.
Theyre crying because they know theyre going to prison! I hope they get what they deserve! Prisoners dont take kindly to baby killers!
@Sara Allison Sadly truth.
Maybe they also regret... I really think they would for the rest of their miserable lives,but they should have thought about it before! Nobrainers! Drugies!
I never saw tears. I saw a lot of tissues and wiping motions but not one tear from either parent.
@@Isabella-nh5dm seriously compared to the foster mother’s tissue during her testimony her tissue was soaked and falling apart
If you actually look, they are NOT CRYING at all!!! No tears. During the sentencing, they are not even FAKE crying. Moot point at this point in the case!
The pain had to have been immense for this little guy. I cannot BELIEVE how he suffered. Horrendous defendants...these were "people" at one time. WTF happened?
Dr. Brown is amazing. I’m sure it’s so very hard to maintain composure but her ability to do so was key in getting justice for Baby Dylan.
The horror that these monsters inflicted on a poor defenseless baby screams for the maximum societal retribution that can be imposed!
Absolutely.
If u can do all that to a baby, u do not care, not one ounce about that baby…. I can’t understand why she’s even pretending to cry, like wtf
This female Prosecutor was incredible! And the Forensic Pathologist did an amazing job of explaining everything in great detail.
Should take the jury about 2 minutes of deliberations
A couple of minutes of deliberations then relax for a few hours to make it look like they spent hours looking at the evidence.
Cuz heaven forbid they actually spend time looking at the evidence. Just pretend to and go on gut emotion
@@cortney3798 this is not the kind of case where there's uncertainties in the evidence already provided in court. Like Daniel said himself, "if they find the body, we're f*cked". And he was absolutely right. Time should still be spent reviewing everything of course, but not a single juror would have any doubt about their guilt.
@@dra2521 my comment was for the guy up thread that said relax for a few hours and pretend to look at the evidence 💁🏼♀️
took OJ less then 2 hours
Such a horrible case but absolutely fascinating listening how the medical examiners go about their jobs with such respect. Such well spoken women, both the examiner and the prosecutor.
The parents should have to look at the pictures as the medical examiner is explaining what they are.
I want the mom to stop fake crying! In the middle of all the crying she puts her head up, no tears, no red eyes, nose or mouth.
Thank you law and crime I pray baby Dylan gets justice🧸🎈😔❤️💜💖🙏🏼
Amen 🙏🏼
@SarahsSimple& StylishMakeup - She did not defend them in any way. She is pointing out there is no justice for Baby Dylan because he is dead and can have no justice. Justice for the deceased victim does not exist. However, justice for his murderers should be complete and total.
😤😤😤 if your kid hit their head on accident you bring them to the damn ER external injuries or not. Especially at that age. My 2 year old daughter fell and smacked her head of the brick fireplace I was at the hospital in 3 minutes. Thank god she didn’t have a brain bleed or skull fracture not even a concussion but better safe than sorry.
Same here when my son fell.
CJ Fan My kid suddenly lunged off where I set her right next to me and face planted! Her poor nose! I left all my laundry and rushed over to the ER.
beast shawnee it was Mother’s Day thank God I was with my mom and she calmed me down and told me to get to the ER I was freaking out when I saw the blood gushing out of her poor forehead 😭😭😫
Me too..l made my kids crazy
But they were always getting checked..They do the same with there babies now.
Better safe than sorry
Or at the very least you call the doctor and get their advice after a bad fall. My son fell at 10 months old and hit his head. The doc said since there were no signs of concussion not to worry about bringing him in.
This child suffered unfathomable pain...
God I hate it when Christine says "at some point in time that pain would start to subside." She uses this phrase throughout the trial when speaking of Dylan's wounds. To me she's dismissing the agony Dylan went thru. Does defending Daniel make her lose her empathy and sympathy for a 2 month old baby? Those 4 people at the defense table are all about minimizing the pain Dylan suffered. I'm not sure I would want to lose my humanity to defend someone who's obviously guilty of horrendous acts like these two.
The defense lawyers trying to pick apart the med examiner’s testimony means nothing. That poor child was injured and put into that well never to be found again. Idk why these two didn’t just plead out to to the horrific treatment and ultimate death of poor Dylan.
I just had a baby last Wednesday and this testimony is making me nauseous. I don't know how anyone could be so cruel. I can't imagine harming one hair on my son's head, let alone doing half of what these despicable MONSTERS did to innocent baby Dylan.
Congratulations 💖
I see no tears from them. They can't look at what they have done . Pathetic . They should be ordered to look at what they did .
They just don’t care
Amazing that the ME doesn't refer to her notes. She remembers it all.
She did her due diligence and reviewed her report prior to the testimony
How could the ME ever forget such a poor little helpless angel! RIP lil man! Thanks Dr.
How can someone treat a helpless baby like this she was beating up her little boy how sad I can't imagine what Dylan went through 😢😢
MONSTERS! It’s oddly satisfying watching these parents during the gruesome medical examiner testimony. Those aren’t tears for their infant. Those are tears of recognition that the world now knows what they are capable of. I only wish that they were forced to look at the photos.
Me too! She should not be allowed to close her eyes or look down
Bwaaahahaa the good Dr. is cracking me up with the dirty looks she keeps throwing at the defense table! Then "blows" her nose as if to say, did you hear THAT 😂😂😂 Rock on Doc, you deserve it after this one!!! Tough case, Bless you 💞✌🏼
I am amazed and have deep respect for her that she is managing to remain professional during all of this but it is clear she is reliving doing the autopsy and how she felt then.
I wouldn't last a fraction of a second doing this woman's job.🤢
Very disturbing case. A life taken and died without ever having lived. So sad. A baby how could any human do that to him
Where was the state? They gave him back to monsters!
She resembles the cowardly lion on the wizard of Oz. And I'm glad the Doctor was so thorough and descriptive, as to make those demons have to sit there while everyone glared at them in disbelief and disgust, knowing the world would know what they did to a helpless innocent baby. Man, this makes me sooo angry.
I was thinking the same thing! 🤣
Omg she does!!! Ohhh god what an insult to the lion.
Kudos to the Foster Mom. The only love that precious child knew in his short life was from her!
Can you imagine having to defend these pos. Court appointed I'm sure. No choice.
@Native Nfree I know. It would be really tough defending this pos.
@Native Nfree They probably know they might have to represent specimens like these two from time time. The defence attorney in the Rosenbaums' trial actually specialises in cases like this.
Wish the parents had to look at the autopsy pics....
Judge should order them to!!!
Trust me, they've already been forced to see all of them upon arrival to the interrogation room.
I remember a case many years ago where a judge ordered that pics of the victim, were plastered onto the perp' s cell wall. He was therefore made to look at that pic every single day.
They should have been made to watch every photo. EVERY PHOTO.
Put the photos on the all walls and ceiling of both of their jail cells
This medical examiner is amazing. I would not be able to do this kind of work.
"Your Honor, let the record reflect that Mr. Groves' attorney dresses like a cruise ship magician."
"So noted."
Yes and everything is um um um she is painful and irritating
Also seems to be her first day on the job. She always looks confused.
Thank you! I was trying to hold back, but can't. She is as irritating as a mosquito! So hard to follow with her failed smoke and mirrors trick. Questions are convoluted and confusing. Couple that with the 'um's' and dry hand rubbing, I think self-representation would be as effective. In her defense, it was a lost cause.
@@vanessacarman5031 what are they really suppose to do? There's so much evidence against their clients. They're just getting a paycheck and making sure these monsters get put away.
@@duskandbutters1466 I agree. Therefore my statement, ' In her defense, it was a lost cause'.