I've had a lot of headsets and currently use the Varjo Aero. I still have my G2 however and just cannot part with it, great headset and completely agree its the ideal middle ground from a budget perspective. Hopefully someone will come in a fill that space but it will take a lot to replace the G2 for the price point.
Wow, such an old saying now! It seems. It has been a few years at least since I have last seen someone say this! :) I'm glad it's still alive. Would this now be classed as an old Meme?
I just recently added my prescription VR Rock lenses to my G2 and love them. They made my G2 absolutely awesome! I thought it was most excellent before but now....Oh my goodness. I have always thought the the G2 would be my last VR Headset, as I am 70 years young. Thanks so much for your excellent work. 👍
That's really a big bummer. Was really hoping for something like a 2880x2880 per eye Reverb G3 with pancake lenses for around 600€ to be coming at the end of the year. Especially for PC VR there isn't really a good and affordable solution on the horizon. Everything is ether standalone and cheap and only to run on the PC with huge compromises or it's just too expensive and the niche of an already niche market.
If companies thought they could do that, the Crystal would already be 600 monies. My guess is that your spec wishes "can't" be produced below 1000 until the year twenty-24 or 25.
@@totheknee hm the crystal is a small series headset, pimax doesn't have the capacity to produce their headsets in huge numbers and that's why they're so expensive to cover the development costs. I mean pimax doesn't even have a proper international distribution. If one of the bigger players on the market would want to produce such a headset for under 1000€ I bet they could. The thing is they don't want to because the market is too small for the profit margin of such a headset and for example meta might not even be able with the current mobile hardware to power such a device as a standalone headset and standalone is everything meta is interested in for the consumer market. That's why it's such a bummer that HP is out of the VR market because they were nearly the only really big player that cared about PC VR mainstream. All the other players in the market (even valve) target either the enthusiasts or the standalone casual market.
Damn, this is a shock if true. The G2 occupied it's own very significant slot, using an extremely competitive price while delivering a visual experience very close to headsets costing 4x as much. There was a lot of headroom around that price point - there really was nothing of similar quality competing with it on cost. Of course, it's a business though, and if sales of those crucial (VR-advancing) next gen GPU's from AMD and Nvidia have been low, coupled with MS laying off the entire mixed reality team, and today's rising cost of living shock, then it's probably not really a surprise. Does SteamVR still require WMR, or can Valve not write any necessary additional code themselves?
And this just sums up HP as a company. At this years CES VR was everywhere and there are some amazing headsets and peripherals incoming. HP get's in early when the tech is new and expensive with little content and now that the sector is starting to mature and loads of content are coming and there's likely to be a much deeper market penetration HP decides it's time to exit.
For a long portion of my professional career (which may or may not be completely over now due to my disability), I made a good living selling high end HP-UX and MPE servers, workstations, and storage, until along came Carly Fiorina who absolutely blew up that end of the business, giving up their proprietary HP3000 series servers way before their time was done (in retrospect, probably so they could essentially buy and kill DEC), and then gave up their own PA-x000 CPUs in favor of HP Itanium which, a few years later ultimately led to their virtual exit from that market segment entirely. Damn shame.
@@justcommenting4981 Unlikely, but it would be sweet, sweet revenge. At least her Presidential aspirations were dashed in about 12 seconds flat. OTOH, revenge is so... petty.
I kept my G2 for 2 years as it took me a very long time to take my rose coloured glasses off. The only advantage was the high resolution but they squandered it with such a tiny sweetspot (even with my eyes up to the lenses) plus the tracking, controllers and WMR were terrible. There were so many basic oversights such as the position of the trackers which they eventually fixed in V2, but the fact they missed something so obvious speaks volumes of their competence. HP had so many issues right from launch, it was very unprofessional, we only give them so much credit because they gave us uncompressed high res for a decent price when no one else does. They came so close but they dropped the ball and never made any effort after V2.
Damn. Really sad news. Many of us G2 users were hoping for a G3 and as you mentioned it didn't require much to make the improvement: just non-fresnel lenses to expand the sweetspot, even a wider fov wasn't really necessary upgrading the current edge to edge clarity. It will be hard find a better headset with all the G2 nice features (including integrated high quality mic and audio), maybe Pimax 12k or something similar, but as you said that's a bye bye middle budget segment: it seems quite similar to electric cars right now, you may find practical low powered ones, or insane torque monster hypercars, but no affordable sport oriented electric cars. Well, let's see if anyone tries a pancake lenses mod for G2 xD
So sad as HP was excellent with service. Hopefully another developer will buy the patent and improve from there. There’s definitely a market for improved quality headsets at a middle-ground price?
@@meer-cha4985 Just last night I notice that in my G2 the right eye has a vertical line down the centre caused by an offset of about 1mm in that right-eye image. This invisible line splits that eye’s screen and I see it as I look around. It’s some kind of defect. I’m not looking forward to contacting HP and I’m very upset.
HP brought us a generational leap in resolution way ahead of anyone else in 2019, and I still love my G1 and will use it until Pimax deliver. Will be thankful to HP, they were ahead of the game.
The G2 was a sought after unit. However, the R and D required to keep up with the likes of Meta would be expensive and it's probably a good decision for HP to cut their losses.
@@Popesta Meta have lowered the bar so much, there's no money in it. They get their profit from data, and games. Neither of which, HP has. It's all in the hardware sales.
What losses? Facebook's failed parent is catering to the mindless masses, or to a non-existent market with their crappy "pro" headset without even a DP connection (such a joke). HP _already has_ a better headset than anything the likes of Facebook's dad has ever put out, or will put out in the next year.
All they had to do was just change the panel to 2880x2880 resolution and change to aspheric lenses, keep everything else as is, then charge it at £1000 if they wanted to and they would have sold gazillions, what's so hard about that??
I had the g2, it was a terrible cheap feeling trash, other than the resolution it had nothing going for it, (tunnel vision, crappy lcd colors, horrible controllers and tracking) and I chancged from a Rift CV1
Very Sad News Indeed. I have enjoyed my G2 and had high hopes for a G3. Now we are stuck going to over $1,000 to get good quality PCVR with a cable connection. Yikes! It almost makes me consider abandonging VR.
I just got a Reverb G2 brand new directly from HP a month ago (major discount). I'm not even a flight simmer and I LOVE this headset. Paired with Index controllers and a good wire pulley system it is amazing! The visuals are A+ and no compromise for compression with the Display Port. Better than wireless as the size of my room is really the limiting factor for VR movement anyway and wireless compression is really just unacceptable visually. I'm glad I got one while they still made them.
The Reverb G2 was my entrance to VR and I don't want to miss it anymore. I am flying almost every day with it. I tried to go back to a screen for Flight Simming, but I can't! It feels shallow, after I tasted real virtual flying. I hope they reconsider and bring a Reverb G3 one day. For me the G2 is only the start and I want more!
Oh Steve, I'm totally gutted, had one since launch, and just broke the bank and got a 4090, wow the difference! When the G2's fed the power it shines.The comfort of the thing too. My mind was already set on getting the next gen pancake lens addition.
On my second Reverb G2 headset now as the first one just randomly stopped working one day. Luckily HP replaced it free of charge which was great, but I hope the same thing doesn't happen again as can't imagine i'm going to get the same support this time! Very sad news, definitely the best VR headset i've owned
G2 owner here since pre-order days! It’s still a great experience today. The right controller’s trigger has started to not work sometimes. I only wish replacements or repairs were affordable and available. Outside of that, this thing is fantastic.
This is so sad I thought there where Rumors of them coming out with a new headset 😖 While I’m at it maybe someone can help I’m actually having issues with my headset my HP Reverb G2 wo t connect anymore one day I used the next day won’t connect to computer anymore and white blinks on the cable itself does anyone know what that could be tried different connections still the same and my headset was switched out by HP in December but not the cables just headset but now my warranties has run out and they didn’t give me new for the new headset so before I buy a new cable I was hoping to find an answer with the experts 🙏
I was disappointed with clarity of HMDs until G2, it kept me interested in VR. I have a Aero now but the G2 is the HMD I recommend for other simmers. With so many people entering the market. I wonder if HP felt the cost of further development wasn’t worth it as Meta has gobbled up the market. It also doesn’t help that the main gaming sites, like IGN, only ever talk about Meta, Index and PSVR2. I’d rather have a G2 than those.
It's not surprising, and been on the cards for quite some time. Microsoft's shake up, pretty much laying off most of the WMR teams tells you that any partnership for VR is going to be long way down the road. It was a great headset and was my go to for everything sim related. Sad day indeed, but that being said I'm happy with my new Pico neo Link which replaced my dead G2 (returned the Pico 4 becuase of the massive glare) and OG Quest.
@@filipmartinez1162 the 4 is newer, but lacks diplayport over usb-c for uncompressed video. resolution isnt as good but you have less overhead with it.
If it will be supported until 2026 I think it's not an issue: how many of us will still use the same headset 3 years from now? In 2026 we'll have new PCs, new VGA and of course a new headset. This is not the end of VR. And if it is, it is also the end of flight simulation (and maybe driving sim too). And I don't think it is.
I am based in Europe, but bought My G2 during Black Friday sales, from the USA. It was reduced to $300 which was half price. Still cost a lot less than it in Europe even with shipping and import tax. So glad I got it as stock is sure to run out soon. And going from a Quest 2 to The Reverb G2. What a night and day improvement.
HP support has been horrible towards people with bad cables. I contacted support and they sent one no questions, other people contacted them and they said to go pound sand. It's just luck of the draw. Higher res will be pretty standard going forward. It's best to support companies that treat their customers better.
"All it needed is pancake lenses".... right.... all the Pico 4 needs is DP input, which Pico had in-house from the Neo 3 Link. And yet... The problem is short sighted managers and CEOs, even Meta could do better than with the Zuck.
@@BoltRM the Pico is a subsidised headset that they are selling at a loss. They hope to make the money back from consumers buying on their mobile store. They don't want people buying it for PCVR use as they don't have a PCVR store. You have to understand that all of these companies are losing money on VR, and taking a gamble investing in its future. Meta, Bytedance and HTC are all banking on building a mobile ecosystem which will generate their profits. Putting a Display Port on these headsets ultimately encourages people to away from the market place they want you to buy from which is why they aren't putting DP's on their headsets.
Hi Steve. You never actualy said they were no longer supporting VR but that in and of itself speaks volumues. A very sad day for us VR flyers. Keep up the great content and hope all is well :)
Damn! I kust love my Reverb G2. I am not as concerned about that set in particular, it works kust fine with what I do. No, Mt concern is the VR scene and for the reasons you mention... Ever since I got my G2 I've been doing some market scans every now and then and been surprised of the lack of alternatives to the G2. Either they are clearly not aimed for sim market or they cost as much as a decent gaming PC. Nothing in between. So i am not surprised to hear this. For me it's a show stopper for VR. I'll go on with my G2 until it gives up or stop working with my sims. Maybe it's better to skip VR for some time, or try eye tracking perhaps.
tech companies looking at all businesses post-COVID, looking at departments not making money so the likes of VR and AR divisions (in Microsoft) getting the easy sack. I think the fact that the Meta Quest 2 at its price point not really taking over the world suggests that VR won't be that massive market that everyone thought it would become.
I bought a Reverb G2 v1 three hears ago, and later upgraded to the HP Reverb G2 v2 two years ago. I am a VR believer. It is very sad to know that HP is abandoning the VR market and their mid-priced position as performance king. So, I am not holding on too long, I may soon sell my headset.
I had a love hate relationship with the G2. Getting it up and running was a complete nightmare and if it wasn't for the community I would have sent it back to be honest. Even now I only love it cause I use the vive wands for real tracking. But after all that is said .... I did fall in love with it. And ....really ...let's be honest ....it needs the 4090 to be amazing. But in fairness it's light years ahead of what the OG htc vive ever was.
F its my first headset, rly like how its made, im loving its speakers with great sound quality that focusing on my ear and not on surroundings. and love how its working smoothly with dp to type-c lenovo adapter connection. wish hp could continue with it.. controllers without halo discs and pancake lenses - that would be fantastic experience!
My H2 is still my go to... My only headset for VR! I'll eventually gravitate towards the fancy shmanzie super duper resolution goggles but for now I'm still enjoying my HP Reverb G2❤
Look at the whole PC industry atm . From games to hardware, companies are cutting back- big style. So no G3 which is a shame. Just at the moment the Graphics cards had caught enough up to run them as well. On the plus side .. It still doesnt make the G1 / G2 obsolete however. (That will happen only when SteamVR stops supporting them I suppose) If a decent deal for a second G2 popped up I may well be tempted. Technically there is nothing stopping HP/Valve from cashing in on their research. With potential interest from the likes of Nvidia or Apple who knows. We may well see a from of G3 with pancakes. Agree whole heartedly in that the sim area "middle ground" is now looking exceptionally uncertain and no doubt set to follow the Graphics card price leap.
Such a shame.... I own G1 and it amazes me everyday, I heard the reviews of G2 and was so exited about it, that I decided to wait even a bit for the G3 version that could have the potential to be the best on the market.... Very sad news, I will need to buy G2 then in near future...
I never had a VR headset and always had dream of HP Reverb G2, its really a sad news. But lets hope something better from HP in future. Thanks for sharing. 👍
I am thinking that HP felt it would be difficult competing with low priced units like Pico and upcoming Quest 3 and they also offer standalone games. Being a PC only VR user I now do half to consider standalone gaming with the convenience. This is sadly more of a reflection of the PC VR industry as a whole.
This is incredibly sad! Luckily I have 2 new leads to last me until something more affordable comes out. Took me 3 months to get those 2 leads from France too!
Us guys on a budget can only hope that the Quest 3 will be better-than-expected, or that the Pimax Crystal price will drop +50%. Other than that, we are screwed at the lower end, and will be clinging on to our HP Reverb G2's much longer than necessary.
It might be getting even worse. MS is cleaning up their world wide franchise and firing thousands of people. Let’s hope they won’t touch Flight Simulator as they did before back in 2012…
Oh man! Even to this day, I find the HP Reverb G2 one of the absolute best "all around"-headset out there. Just the fact that it has amazing visuals, an amazing audio system (speakers AND microphone) as well as a hassle-free inside-out tracking (which helps A LOT for those of us who don't want to mess around with lighthouse trackers in our home). The ONLY negative right now for me is the fact that it doesn't have clear pancake lenses, and that it uses Windows Mixed Reality (which doesn't work in Linux, as well as Microsoft likely dropping support for it)
about 5 months ago there was a shop on ebay selling a stock of 300 of them for 228.00 apiece and calling it an open box. but when I got it was newly packed and came with the new upgraded cable. maybe it was old news...its definitely awesome headset
I am a Reverb ovner since its been in the market. G1+G2 too. I love them, especially for the price. Sim community needs a hmd with a displayport and pancake lenses , and an affordable price tag. Really there isnt any manufacturer who would invest some money to develop this? Everybody just pushing standalone hmd's that arent the best for simmers.
Well I knew this was coming a while back as it was all over the HP G2 Reverb page. I have really high hopes for PIMAX Crystal, if they can deliver on what they are promising, my G2 will become the back up.
You are absolutely right about the industry needing that middle ground. All of the players in that space have slowly fallen away. For whatever reason, it mustn’t seem to be very lucrative to them in the long term. The G2 is my first VR headset, as I’m sure it is for many others, for the fact that it is a great middle ground. Hopefully, as the industry continues to mature, development will become cheaper and easier and someone can eventually move back into that space. Depending on how the Bigscreen Beyond lands, I could see them moving into that space since they seem willing to innovate and perhaps take more risks than the major manufacturers are willing to do.
It is a shame that HP are exiting the market, they were the only people to be brave enough to push high end quality at more reasonable prices. I guess the current macro economics just don't allow them to do that anymore so they probably feel its not worth the R&D time to compete with the Varjo and PIMAX hi end markets.
We are in this horrible Catch-22 situation where consumers say there aren't enough AAA games and big game publishers say there isn't a large enough user base. Ugh That's why it's important Sony Playstation VR2 does well.
I learned of this just days after ordering my very first VR headset. Yep...a Reverb G2. I'm pretty bummed that support will go away after 2026. Fortunately I got the G2 on sale for $150 off, and I know I'll enjoy it for a few years (or at least until I see HP blow out their remaining inventory for $299. 🤥 I guess I need to start saving up for the next generation...
Not surprised. The problem is that even half decent VR is VERY EXPENSIVE. It requires a lot of preparation and troubleshooting, and to the average person a complete pain to setup and successfully use. You can throw money at it but by the time you've bought a top end computer, outrageously expensive GPU, then the headset you've spent a small fortune. The vast majority of VR flight simmers use VR for sightseeing and not for more complex flying. The only VR that is going to work for the masses is 3D moving images popping out of your laptop or computer monitor with any other devices needed and that is already beginning to be possible. The fact is that current VR image quality is NOWHERE near good enough yet and unless you spend a fortune is extremely poor.
For some reason, watching this, the MS Force Feedback joystick came to mind. In so much as when MS packed up flight sim for a bit, great products like that stick disappeared with no replacement in sight at a reasonable price point (Brunner very nice but £££). I followed you through the pre-order process and am still using my Mk 1 version of the G2. It only works via a USB hub in my monitor , but I’ve let that sleeping dog lie and stuck with the arrangement. Agree, pancake lenses all it needed.
A real shame to hear this, but as I mentioned in your other video, I’m not at all surprised. PSVR2 has raised the bar in the midrange VR pricing although it’s not a pc headset. For HP to continue at this price point it would need to add extra technology that would not be cheap. Another HP headset would need to compete with up and coming PC VR hardware and imo just the addition of pancake lenses is not enough. My money and focus is still on valve. If the index had better optics at the time I would of went for that. Happy with my G2, after I got over the small sweet spot. It’s been a bargain for what it offers with audio and visual, but beyond that it’s a pretty stagnant product especially on the WMR side which has been a massive disappointment.
I'm very dispassionate about VR in general, but have always been curious about it for (combat) flight sim wanting to go in that direction aside from substantial problems with how I play it. I was decidedly on the TrackIR+flatscreen+panels/accessories side of the fence until I discovered PointCTRL. With PointCTRL, there isn't an imbalance in the trade off of improved visual immersions while reduced immersion using cockpit avionics in DCS. This is either peeking or feeling around physical devices you can't see in VR, or using a pointing or hand/finger tracking device that is quite inaccurate and cumbersome to use. Overall the problem with the VR headset market is this though: I don't care at all about stand alone features, or even VR controllers. The Aero is stupidly expensive, and still requires not cheap base stations to track. I know the Aero is a visual experience that meets the bar, but that's a lot extra to pay just for entry. With other headsets, I'm not so sure so the visuals will work so anything at a very high (over $500) price point is a problem because why would you spent in that range if you were unsure you were getting something you want? This is where the HP Reverb G2 has been the only other option I've eyeballed. At that price point, and generally people saying it is visually clear or good enough for DCS, I'm willing to get my feet wet with it. That price point is also final because the G2 has inside out tracking, which may not be perfect but from reviews, seems very solid.
That youtuber 'heard from sources'. It's not official confirmed, maybe a tad too early to arrange a funeral. Then again it doesn't surprise anyone that we won't see a G3 in the future.
That news saddened even me despite never having owned the G2. I wanted to get one, but I wasn't going to pay 700 Euros for it, looking at US deals at half that price. Now it's gone. I guess I'll stick to my Tobii tracker until something replaces it as I'm not paying bags of money for the Varjo that doesn't even include controllers and is useless for any other use than "cockpit-sims". Or if nothing else replaces the G2, I might be forced to buy a Pimax Crystal if I decide I really, really want to switch to VR again. Haven't used one since I bought my Oculus Rift at launch and sold it a few weeks later because of the terrible resolution back then.
Saw this coming with MS laying off their VR/MR/XR teams. Just glad MS/Asobo went with OpenXR instead of WMR for MSFS, so we just need Asobo to keep maintaining/updating VR support and aren't depending on Windows platform support for it.
Oh, no! I've only just purchased a Reverb G2 V2! I'm loving it so far. I need to do more testing, but in IL-2 Great Battles, the resolution is amazing when compared to my old HTC Vive Pro 1. This is terrible news for us 'G2' owners that were waiting for an update from HP! Like you, I was hoping they would announce a new version with better lenses. I think the resolution is the right balance for performance on current high end PC's. Except for the narrow field of view. But I just pretend I have a racing helmet on or a flight helmet or goggles (depending on the simulation) and that is what is blocking my horizontal side view. Maybe a third party will be able to make better lenses for the Reverb G2 V2? And maybe their will be a way to bypass Windows Mixed Reality? This HMD is just too popular for it to die. Especially in DCS. Eagle Dynamics really needs to pull their finger out of 'you know where!' CPU optimization is extremely important to get below a frame time of 11ms of latency, if you want 90Hz. I am hoping some flight sim entrepreneurs will come out with something. Like they did with the Spitfire spade flight stick. I think the same guys also made a Spitfire Chassis control lever. Which was the reason for the spade grip in the Spitfire in the first place. Controlling the plane with either hand.
so its dump to buy a hp reverb g2 rn ? idont understand what you are trying to say. HP is leaving the vr buisness so what ? no more improvements for the g2 but its still grate ?
I noticed the G2 for $250 at Target online last night. Sold out now. With this news, should we still purchase the G2 for MSFS? How often are current HP drivers updated? Would the lack of new drivers in the future after 2026 be an issue for using the G2?
Hp Japan changed the price of the G2 to a ridiculous amount. The ew price was over 130000yen. G2 is completely dead. I hope the future of VR is bright.
Four years into the G1, decided to skip the G2. Mostly because of WMR, too many layers of software frameworks to deal with. So I'm looking to the future, maybe in 4-5 years the technology has really matured, along with GPU-tech. GPU tech is totally backwards right now, with the brick-sized heat ovens they call GPU's....so I'll hold out a while longer for the (hopefully) matured stuff 😀
@@thelmaviaduct Great that you're happy with it, that's what counts. I'm just saying that the GPU technology needs to evolve. Remember thos huge and bulky Bigfoot harddrives of the 90's. Huge, as in size and power consumption, not capacity. Or those "mobile" phone bricks in the 80's. 20 years later we have small chips on NVME SSD's containing terabytes of data, with high speed bandwidth and very little power consumption. Look at ARM processors, like the ones Apple use, that's CPU evolution right there. Unless the GPU tech evolves, we'll end up with two computer cases, one for the main components and another for just the GPU. Regular people won't be able to afford the power bill. Sounds backwards to me. YMMV :)
@@TheMack I couldn't be more happy. They're expensive, but roughly double fps for double the 3080 RRP is good value imho. Not only that, it should have a decent long life compared to a 10GB 3080, so value increases. The power consumption figures are all hype also. Similar to a 3090Ti but 70% faster. They're a great product if you can find one at RRP. It's true 120fps 4k gaming, 3080 is 60fps 4k and is loud as fcuk. The card easily fits in my ancient 2nd hand lian li PC6 case too, with lots of room to spare.
@@thelmaviaduct That's good, I'm happy for you. The 4090 FE is the king today, enjoy it. Hopefully we get some GPU competition going so that Nvidia doesn't stagnate like Intel did and AMD had to kick their sorry behinds 😆
@@TheMack it's not a boast mate, just passing on info. I sold a lot of gear to afford mine. There's always something better around the corner, but right now is a sweet place to be and tomorrow never comes. I wasted a lot of money on 3070ti and 3080 chasing the 4k dream. 4090 delivers in spades. 4080 is good card but not good value. 4090 is an excellent card and good value at FE rrp and it's not running hot or loud.
Very sad news ofcourse, i was thinking about getting ones...but the thing that was stoping me was the graphic card requirements :) What minimum gpu will you say it will require? And what headset would u say its the replacement-alternative of the reverb g2? Thanks
This rumor of HP leaving the VR market was tweeted as 3d party insider info. This vid appears to be an extrapolation of this along with other somewhat related industry news, and it is more of an opinion piece than hard news IMO. Hopefully this scenario won't be unfolding as reported here.
Part of the trouble is that others (and to be fair this channel) looking for the best and shiniest new thing in VR quickly started extolling the virtues of and comparing the G2 to the Varjo Aero once the Varjo was out. As soon as that happened people started thinking "Maybe I don't want to spend my money on second best and be always outside looking enviously in on the Varjo owners. Perhaps I need to save up longer for the Varjo." Nothing worse than constantly kicking yourself for not buying what you really wanted first time.
This is very true, I would have picked up a G2 long ago but most commentaries around he place suggested it was a bit mediocre compared to the higher end stuff that I could not afford, so I deferred getting into VR until I could manage a really high end headset and the PC to go with it.
Yep me too. Was all set to buy the Reverb but after hearing VR Flight Sim Guy getting orgasmic over the Varjo Aero I just didn't want to waste my hard-earned on a headset that was clearly going to be outdated almost immediately. Yes it's still a good headset but its nowhere nearly as good as the Varjo - and now everyone knows it. Especially me 😞
As a longtime VR user (since my pre-ordered Rift CV1), currently using the Valve Index, I hate this news. HP was the only other company I trusted to make a potential replacement for my Index. Pimax is too expensive and too sketchy, Somnium doesn't even include audio (what a joke), and the HTC XR Elite is an obvious compromise in more than one way.
This is the second time I have had a terrible experience with HP, the first with a laptop with a faulty chip that regularly failed and I experienced terribly poor support. Well that is it for me and HP, I will never purchase from them again and will let everyone I know to beware of this companies products.
i started with a Rift S i got great deal on but then when i got some money i updated to the G2 & love it . I guess will just have to keep an eye out for deals on the next gen VR which i hope do come as i can't go back to 2 d Monitors even if have 3 of them. Sad sad news when looked like HP VR was getting better & better . ☹☹☹
A sad day indeed but kind of understandable when you consider just how toxic and poisonous the wider VR community can be. Those poor designers and product reps took an absolute battering when most of the release issues were caused by an underlying fault in the Ryzen platform.
I've had a lot of headsets and currently use the Varjo Aero. I still have my G2 however and just cannot part with it, great headset and completely agree its the ideal middle ground from a budget perspective. Hopefully someone will come in a fill that space but it will take a lot to replace the G2 for the price point.
So long HP and thanks for all the fish. It was a great ride!
Wow, such an old saying now! It seems.
It has been a few years at least since I have last seen someone say this! :)
I'm glad it's still alive. Would this now be classed as an old Meme?
@@British_Dragon-4K-Simulations Well, it comes from an old IT guy so I guess it was a meme before memes even existed 😀
@@IchGlaubEsHacktWohl hitchhikers guild to the galaxy?
Fidh? First time I have ever heard this...?
I just recently added my prescription VR Rock lenses to my G2 and love them. They made my G2 absolutely awesome! I thought it was most excellent before but now....Oh my goodness. I have always thought the the G2 would be my last VR Headset, as I am 70 years young. Thanks so much for your excellent work. 👍
That is awesome!
Gutted!😪😪😪
Love my Reverb G2 and was looking forward to a G3 in the future as an upgrade.
I have a Quest 2 but was aiming to see what a G3 was like for potential upgrade.
That's really a big bummer. Was really hoping for something like a 2880x2880 per eye Reverb G3 with pancake lenses for around 600€ to be coming at the end of the year. Especially for PC VR there isn't really a good and affordable solution on the horizon. Everything is ether standalone and cheap and only to run on the PC with huge compromises or it's just too expensive and the niche of an already niche market.
Or even just pancake lenses. G2P
If companies thought they could do that, the Crystal would already be 600 monies. My guess is that your spec wishes "can't" be produced below 1000 until the year twenty-24 or 25.
And larger IPD. My IPD is about 70 mm... and yes, the difference to the 68 mm of the G2 is noticeable.
@@totheknee hm the crystal is a small series headset, pimax doesn't have the capacity to produce their headsets in huge numbers and that's why they're so expensive to cover the development costs. I mean pimax doesn't even have a proper international distribution. If one of the bigger players on the market would want to produce such a headset for under 1000€ I bet they could. The thing is they don't want to because the market is too small for the profit margin of such a headset and for example meta might not even be able with the current mobile hardware to power such a device as a standalone headset and standalone is everything meta is interested in for the consumer market. That's why it's such a bummer that HP is out of the VR market because they were nearly the only really big player that cared about PC VR mainstream. All the other players in the market (even valve) target either the enthusiasts or the standalone casual market.
Damn, this is a shock if true. The G2 occupied it's own very significant slot, using an extremely competitive price while delivering a visual experience very close to headsets costing 4x as much. There was a lot of headroom around that price point - there really was nothing of similar quality competing with it on cost. Of course, it's a business though, and if sales of those crucial (VR-advancing) next gen GPU's from AMD and Nvidia have been low, coupled with MS laying off the entire mixed reality team, and today's rising cost of living shock, then it's probably not really a surprise. Does SteamVR still require WMR, or can Valve not write any necessary additional code themselves?
And this just sums up HP as a company. At this years CES VR was everywhere and there are some amazing headsets and peripherals incoming. HP get's in early when the tech is new and expensive with little content and now that the sector is starting to mature and loads of content are coming and there's likely to be a much deeper market penetration HP decides it's time to exit.
I assume they don't pay enough to retain engineers as their experience in a technology improves.
For a long portion of my professional career (which may or may not be completely over now due to my disability), I made a good living selling high end HP-UX and MPE servers, workstations, and storage, until along came Carly Fiorina who absolutely blew up that end of the business, giving up their proprietary HP3000 series servers way before their time was done (in retrospect, probably so they could essentially buy and kill DEC), and then gave up their own PA-x000 CPUs in favor of HP Itanium which, a few years later ultimately led to their virtual exit from that market segment entirely. Damn shame.
@@kevykevTPA well I'm sure Fiorina will struggle to pay her bills after getting tossed for being so incompetent...
Be well.
@@justcommenting4981 Unlikely, but it would be sweet, sweet revenge. At least her Presidential aspirations were dashed in about 12 seconds flat. OTOH, revenge is so... petty.
What grinds my gears is
You can get them for $350 in the states
It’s £650 in the uk 😞
I kept my G2 for 2 years as it took me a very long time to take my rose coloured glasses off. The only advantage was the high resolution but they squandered it with such a tiny sweetspot (even with my eyes up to the lenses) plus the tracking, controllers and WMR were terrible. There were so many basic oversights such as the position of the trackers which they eventually fixed in V2, but the fact they missed something so obvious speaks volumes of their competence. HP had so many issues right from launch, it was very unprofessional, we only give them so much credit because they gave us uncompressed high res for a decent price when no one else does. They came so close but they dropped the ball and never made any effort after V2.
Damn. Really sad news. Many of us G2 users were hoping for a G3 and as you mentioned it didn't require much to make the improvement: just non-fresnel lenses to expand the sweetspot, even a wider fov wasn't really necessary upgrading the current edge to edge clarity. It will be hard find a better headset with all the G2 nice features (including integrated high quality mic and audio), maybe Pimax 12k or something similar, but as you said that's a bye bye middle budget segment: it seems quite similar to electric cars right now, you may find practical low powered ones, or insane torque monster hypercars, but no affordable sport oriented electric cars. Well, let's see if anyone tries a pancake lenses mod for G2 xD
So sad as HP was excellent with service. Hopefully another developer will buy the patent and improve from there. There’s definitely a market for improved quality headsets at a middle-ground price?
I agree, HP replaced 4 headsets for me because of different issues and never hesitated with next-day delivery!
@@meer-cha4985 Just last night I notice that in my G2 the right eye has a vertical line down the centre caused by an offset of about 1mm in that right-eye image. This invisible line splits that eye’s screen and I see it as I look around. It’s some kind of defect. I’m not looking forward to contacting HP and I’m very upset.
Very sad news, I love my Reverb G2, it has totally transformed my msfs flying experience.
HP brought us a generational leap in resolution way ahead of anyone else in 2019, and I still love my G1 and will use it until Pimax deliver. Will be thankful to HP, they were ahead of the game.
The G2 was a sought after unit. However, the R and D required to keep up with the likes of Meta would be expensive and it's probably a good decision for HP to cut their losses.
HP are loaded. They could continue with vr and support and power through to be a force
@@Popesta Meta have lowered the bar so much, there's no money in it. They get their profit from data, and games. Neither of which, HP has. It's all in the hardware sales.
@@FatNorthernBigot Ah yeah that makes sense thanks
What losses? Facebook's failed parent is catering to the mindless masses, or to a non-existent market with their crappy "pro" headset without even a DP connection (such a joke). HP _already has_ a better headset than anything the likes of Facebook's dad has ever put out, or will put out in the next year.
All they had to do was just change the panel to 2880x2880 resolution and change to aspheric lenses, keep everything else as is, then charge it at £1000 if they wanted to and they would have sold gazillions, what's so hard about that??
I still think it's a bad idea. VR is the future, and they are at the cutting edge. such a shame.
I had the g2, it was a terrible cheap feeling trash, other than the resolution it had nothing going for it, (tunnel vision, crappy lcd colors, horrible controllers and tracking) and I chancged from a Rift CV1
Very Sad News Indeed. I have enjoyed my G2 and had high hopes for a G3. Now we are stuck going to over $1,000 to get good quality PCVR with a cable connection. Yikes! It almost makes me consider abandonging VR.
I just got a Reverb G2 brand new directly from HP a month ago (major discount). I'm not even a flight simmer and I LOVE this headset. Paired with Index controllers and a good wire pulley system it is amazing! The visuals are A+ and no compromise for compression with the Display Port. Better than wireless as the size of my room is really the limiting factor for VR movement anyway and wireless compression is really just unacceptable visually. I'm glad I got one while they still made them.
The Reverb G2 was my entrance to VR and I don't want to miss it anymore. I am flying almost every day with it. I tried to go back to a screen for Flight Simming, but I can't! It feels shallow, after I tasted real virtual flying. I hope they reconsider and bring a Reverb G3 one day. For me the G2 is only the start and I want more!
Oh Steve, I'm totally gutted, had one since launch, and just broke the bank and got a 4090, wow the difference! When the G2's fed the power it shines.The comfort of the thing too. My mind was already set on getting the next gen pancake lens addition.
On my second Reverb G2 headset now as the first one just randomly stopped working one day. Luckily HP replaced it free of charge which was great, but I hope the same thing doesn't happen again as can't imagine i'm going to get the same support this time! Very sad news, definitely the best VR headset i've owned
G2 owner here since pre-order days! It’s still a great experience today. The right controller’s trigger has started to not work sometimes. I only wish replacements or repairs were affordable and available. Outside of that, this thing is fantastic.
I couldn't agree more. I'm tempted to buy another one just in case mine gives up.
This is so sad I thought there where Rumors of them coming out with a new headset 😖
While I’m at it maybe someone can help I’m actually having issues with my headset my HP Reverb G2 wo t connect anymore one day I used the next day won’t connect to computer anymore and white blinks on the cable itself does anyone know what that could be tried different connections still the same and my headset was switched out by HP in December but not the cables just headset but now my warranties has run out and they didn’t give me new for the new headset so before I buy a new cable I was hoping to find an answer with the experts 🙏
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If you are using the USB adapter, try a replacement or direct to USB C.
@@VRFlightSimGuyWhere did Bradley say that? I have not found the video.
I was disappointed with clarity of HMDs until G2, it kept me interested in VR. I have a Aero now but the G2 is the HMD I recommend for other simmers. With so many people entering the market. I wonder if HP felt the cost of further development wasn’t worth it as Meta has gobbled up the market. It also doesn’t help that the main gaming sites, like IGN, only ever talk about Meta, Index and PSVR2. I’d rather have a G2 than those.
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Absolutely, no tears for them, they made a terrible decision.
It's not surprising, and been on the cards for quite some time. Microsoft's shake up, pretty much laying off most of the WMR teams tells you that any partnership for VR is going to be long way down the road. It was a great headset and was my go to for everything sim related. Sad day indeed, but that being said I'm happy with my new Pico neo Link which replaced my dead G2 (returned the Pico 4 becuase of the massive glare) and OG Quest.
Does the Pico Neo link have better resolution than the Pico 4? I thought the Pico 4 was the newest one.
@@filipmartinez1162 the 4 is newer, but lacks diplayport over usb-c for uncompressed video. resolution isnt as good but you have less overhead with it.
If it will be supported until 2026 I think it's not an issue: how many of us will still use the same headset 3 years from now? In 2026 we'll have new PCs, new VGA and of course a new headset. This is not the end of VR. And if it is, it is also the end of flight simulation (and maybe driving sim too). And I don't think it is.
Well my Reverb G2 V2 Era will start tomorrow and i am looking forward to a long partnership.....
I am based in Europe, but bought My G2 during Black Friday sales, from the USA. It was reduced to $300 which was half price. Still cost a lot less than it in Europe even with shipping and import tax.
So glad I got it as stock is sure to run out soon.
And going from a Quest 2 to The Reverb G2. What a night and day improvement.
Wow, a G2 at 300$ that's great opportunity.
HP support has been horrible towards people with bad cables. I contacted support and they sent one no questions, other people contacted them and they said to go pound sand. It's just luck of the draw. Higher res will be pretty standard going forward. It's best to support companies that treat their customers better.
"All it needed is pancake lenses".... right.... all the Pico 4 needs is DP input, which Pico had in-house from the Neo 3 Link. And yet... The problem is short sighted managers and CEOs, even Meta could do better than with the Zuck.
Totally agree.
How much would it have added to the price if included the DP connection from the Pico3 to the 4? $20, 30? Peanuts
@@BoltRM the Pico is a subsidised headset that they are selling at a loss. They hope to make the money back from consumers buying on their mobile store. They don't want people buying it for PCVR use as they don't have a PCVR store.
You have to understand that all of these companies are losing money on VR, and taking a gamble investing in its future. Meta, Bytedance and HTC are all banking on building a mobile ecosystem which will generate their profits. Putting a Display Port on these headsets ultimately encourages people to away from the market place they want you to buy from which is why they aren't putting DP's on their headsets.
@@kevinbrook7033 I agree but they did announce a dedicated dongle for wireless pc connectivity.
Hi Steve. You never actualy said they were no longer supporting VR but that in and of itself speaks volumues. A very sad day for us VR flyers. Keep up the great content and hope all is well :)
Damn! I kust love my Reverb G2. I am not as concerned about that set in particular, it works kust fine with what I do. No, Mt concern is the VR scene and for the reasons you mention...
Ever since I got my G2 I've been doing some market scans every now and then and been surprised of the lack of alternatives to the G2. Either they are clearly not aimed for sim market or they cost as much as a decent gaming PC. Nothing in between.
So i am not surprised to hear this. For me it's a show stopper for VR. I'll go on with my G2 until it gives up or stop working with my sims. Maybe it's better to skip VR for some time, or try eye tracking perhaps.
Might be worth grabbing a couple of G2s if the price is right…
It was $299 on black friday
tech companies looking at all businesses post-COVID, looking at departments not making money so the likes of VR and AR divisions (in Microsoft) getting the easy sack. I think the fact that the Meta Quest 2 at its price point not really taking over the world suggests that VR won't be that massive market that everyone thought it would become.
I bought a Reverb G2 v1 three hears ago, and later upgraded to the HP Reverb G2 v2 two years ago. I am a VR believer. It is very sad to know that HP is abandoning the VR market and their mid-priced position as performance king. So, I am not holding on too long, I may soon sell my headset.
Interesting this is happening just as the PSVR2 is coming out as this will probably bring a lot more people into VR
If rumors are true, there aren't as many people preordering this headset as Sony expected. So Sony might also have a problem there.
@@bakakafka4428 thats why I decided to say probably instead of will on its own
Sony runs a gated community, though. Would their really be an overlap with PCVR?
I had a love hate relationship with the G2. Getting it up and running was a complete nightmare and if it wasn't for the community I would have sent it back to be honest. Even now I only love it cause I use the vive wands for real tracking. But after all that is said .... I did fall in love with it. And ....really ...let's be honest ....it needs the 4090 to be amazing. But in fairness it's light years ahead of what the OG htc vive ever was.
im definitely gonna buy a second one, mines 14 months old now..
🥺 if only it needed ink...
What a shame, a G3 would have sold well. I've got a spare g2 I was going to stick on eBay but I think I'll keep it now, just in case.
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its my first headset, rly like how its made, im loving its speakers with great sound quality that focusing on my ear and not on surroundings.
and love how its working smoothly with dp to type-c lenovo adapter connection.
wish hp could continue with it.. controllers without halo discs and pancake lenses - that would be fantastic experience!
My H2 is still my go to... My only headset for VR! I'll eventually gravitate towards the fancy shmanzie super duper resolution goggles but for now I'm still enjoying my HP Reverb G2❤
Yes I always loved the G2 for the middle of the road headset. this was a great headsets for the cost
Look at the whole PC industry atm . From games to hardware, companies are cutting back- big style.
So no G3 which is a shame. Just at the moment the Graphics cards had caught enough up to run them as well.
On the plus side .. It still doesnt make the G1 / G2 obsolete however. (That will happen only when SteamVR stops supporting them I suppose)
If a decent deal for a second G2 popped up I may well be tempted.
Technically there is nothing stopping HP/Valve from cashing in on their research. With potential interest from the likes of Nvidia or Apple who knows. We may well see a from of G3 with pancakes.
Agree whole heartedly in that the sim area "middle ground" is now looking exceptionally uncertain and no doubt set to follow the Graphics card price leap.
J'aime le G2. Il a changé ma vie! HP G2 for ever!
Such a shame.... I own G1 and it amazes me everyday, I heard the reviews of G2 and was so exited about it, that I decided to wait even a bit for the G3 version that could have the potential to be the best on the market.... Very sad news, I will need to buy G2 then in near future...
I never had a VR headset and always had dream of HP Reverb G2, its really a sad news. But lets hope something better from HP in future. Thanks for sharing. 👍
I am thinking that HP felt it would be difficult competing with low priced units like Pico and upcoming Quest 3 and they also offer standalone games. Being a PC only VR user I now do half to consider standalone gaming with the convenience.
This is sadly more of a reflection of the PC VR industry as a whole.
This is incredibly sad! Luckily I have 2 new leads to last me until something more affordable comes out. Took me 3 months to get those 2 leads from France too!
@@RayKit Damn are the leads so unreliable or something?
@@hunterjg777 far and few between i think yeah
Us guys on a budget can only hope that the Quest 3 will be better-than-expected, or that the Pimax Crystal price will drop +50%. Other than that, we are screwed at the lower end, and will be clinging on to our HP Reverb G2's much longer than necessary.
It might be getting even worse. MS is cleaning up their world wide franchise and firing thousands of people. Let’s hope they won’t touch Flight Simulator as they did before back in 2012…
Oh man! Even to this day, I find the HP Reverb G2 one of the absolute best "all around"-headset out there. Just the fact that it has amazing visuals, an amazing audio system (speakers AND microphone) as well as a hassle-free inside-out tracking (which helps A LOT for those of us who don't want to mess around with lighthouse trackers in our home). The ONLY negative right now for me is the fact that it doesn't have clear pancake lenses, and that it uses Windows Mixed Reality (which doesn't work in Linux, as well as Microsoft likely dropping support for it)
So sad. I've owned a Lenovo Explorer, Quest 2, original Reverb and now Reverb G2. Heads above all others for price/performance.
Sad news. It was my first VR set and I still use it every day. I'm still waiting for anything to replace it with but there is nothing really
I wish there was more service for VR viewing of sports venues. Like Pay tv. Also, front row viewing of concerts.
about 5 months ago there was a shop on ebay selling a stock of 300 of them for 228.00 apiece and calling it an open box. but when I got it was newly packed and came with the new upgraded cable. maybe it was old news...its definitely awesome headset
I am a Reverb ovner since its been in the market. G1+G2 too. I love them, especially for the price. Sim community needs a hmd with a displayport and pancake lenses , and an affordable price tag. Really there isnt any manufacturer who would invest some money to develop this? Everybody just pushing standalone hmd's that arent the best for simmers.
I currentley have a Rift S with a RTX2080ti and looking to upgrade on my VR with a new headset, what would you recommend?
Well I knew this was coming a while back as it was all over the HP G2 Reverb page. I have really high hopes for PIMAX Crystal, if they can deliver on what they are promising, my G2 will become the back up.
You are absolutely right about the industry needing that middle ground. All of the players in that space have slowly fallen away. For whatever reason, it mustn’t seem to be very lucrative to them in the long term. The G2 is my first VR headset, as I’m sure it is for many others, for the fact that it is a great middle ground.
Hopefully, as the industry continues to mature, development will become cheaper and easier and someone can eventually move back into that space. Depending on how the Bigscreen Beyond lands, I could see them moving into that space since they seem willing to innovate and perhaps take more risks than the major manufacturers are willing to do.
The G2 was the best price/performance for VR. We'll miss you Reverb!
It is a shame that HP are exiting the market, they were the only people to be brave enough to push high end quality at more reasonable prices. I guess the current macro economics just don't allow them to do that anymore so they probably feel its not worth the R&D time to compete with the Varjo and PIMAX hi end markets.
We are in this horrible Catch-22 situation where consumers say there aren't enough AAA games and big game publishers say there isn't a large enough user base. Ugh
That's why it's important Sony Playstation VR2 does well.
I learned of this just days after ordering my very first VR headset. Yep...a Reverb G2. I'm pretty bummed that support will go away after 2026. Fortunately I got the G2 on sale for $150 off, and I know I'll enjoy it for a few years (or at least until I see HP blow out their remaining inventory for $299. 🤥
I guess I need to start saving up for the next generation...
Not surprised. The problem is that even half decent VR is VERY EXPENSIVE. It requires a lot of preparation and troubleshooting, and to the average person a complete pain to setup and successfully use. You can throw money at it but by the time you've bought a top end computer, outrageously expensive GPU, then the headset you've spent a small fortune. The vast majority of VR flight simmers use VR for sightseeing and not for more complex flying. The only VR that is going to work for the masses is 3D moving images popping out of your laptop or computer monitor with any other devices needed and that is already beginning to be possible. The fact is that current VR image quality is NOWHERE near good enough yet and unless you spend a fortune is extremely poor.
Very sad indeed. It feels like a R.I.P. is in place... Thanks for the update. I guess.
exactly why i keep my pc on windows 10 so i can still use the headset, i cant say goodbye to it, havent gotten my 1000 dollars out of it yet.
"VR is dying". Yeah. I've heard that in the '90s too.
Who said VR is dying? 🤔
The thing that held back the Reverb G2 is the tracking
I was actually encouraged when I went research the rumors hoping that possibly they wouldn't be true but turns out they are that is sad
What sim is this footage from?
For some reason, watching this, the MS Force Feedback joystick came to mind. In so much as when MS packed up flight sim for a bit, great products like that stick disappeared with no replacement in sight at a reasonable price point (Brunner very nice but £££). I followed you through the pre-order process and am still using my Mk 1 version of the G2. It only works via a USB hub in my monitor , but I’ve let that sleeping dog lie and stuck with the arrangement. Agree, pancake lenses all it needed.
Apparently some patent troll has all the Force Feedback ones and that's why we aren't getting new FF sticks.
@@neth77 I've heard the patents are expiring in a couple of years
A real shame to hear this, but as I mentioned in your other video, I’m not at all surprised.
PSVR2 has raised the bar in the midrange VR pricing although it’s not a pc headset.
For HP to continue at this price point it would need to add extra technology that would not be cheap.
Another HP headset would need to compete with up and coming PC VR hardware and imo just the addition of pancake lenses is not enough.
My money and focus is still on valve. If the index had better optics at the time I would of went for that. Happy with my G2, after I got over the small sweet spot. It’s been a bargain for what it offers with audio and visual, but beyond that it’s a pretty stagnant product especially on the WMR side which has been a massive disappointment.
This was indeed sad news😢
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I still have mine. As long as MS Mixed Reality Portal continues to support the G2.
I got the reverb G2 as my first headset, zero regrets. I was looking forward to a new gen of HP headsets but sadly won't be happening.
I'm very dispassionate about VR in general, but have always been curious about it for (combat) flight sim wanting to go in that direction aside from substantial problems with how I play it. I was decidedly on the TrackIR+flatscreen+panels/accessories side of the fence until I discovered PointCTRL. With PointCTRL, there isn't an imbalance in the trade off of improved visual immersions while reduced immersion using cockpit avionics in DCS. This is either peeking or feeling around physical devices you can't see in VR, or using a pointing or hand/finger tracking device that is quite inaccurate and cumbersome to use.
Overall the problem with the VR headset market is this though: I don't care at all about stand alone features, or even VR controllers. The Aero is stupidly expensive, and still requires not cheap base stations to track. I know the Aero is a visual experience that meets the bar, but that's a lot extra to pay just for entry. With other headsets, I'm not so sure so the visuals will work so anything at a very high (over $500) price point is a problem because why would you spent in that range if you were unsure you were getting something you want? This is where the HP Reverb G2 has been the only other option I've eyeballed. At that price point, and generally people saying it is visually clear or good enough for DCS, I'm willing to get my feet wet with it. That price point is also final because the G2 has inside out tracking, which may not be perfect but from reviews, seems very solid.
That youtuber 'heard from sources'. It's not official confirmed, maybe a tad too early to arrange a funeral. Then again it doesn't surprise anyone that we won't see a G3 in the future.
Sad news. End of Windows Mixed Reality? Any other WMR manufacturers still around?
That news saddened even me despite never having owned the G2. I wanted to get one, but I wasn't going to pay 700 Euros for it, looking at US deals at half that price. Now it's gone. I guess I'll stick to my Tobii tracker until something replaces it as I'm not paying bags of money for the Varjo that doesn't even include controllers and is useless for any other use than "cockpit-sims".
Or if nothing else replaces the G2, I might be forced to buy a Pimax Crystal if I decide I really, really want to switch to VR again. Haven't used one since I bought my Oculus Rift at launch and sold it a few weeks later because of the terrible resolution back then.
Saw this coming with MS laying off their VR/MR/XR teams. Just glad MS/Asobo went with OpenXR instead of WMR for MSFS, so we just need Asobo to keep maintaining/updating VR support and aren't depending on Windows platform support for it.
Oh, no! I've only just purchased a Reverb G2 V2!
I'm loving it so far. I need to do more testing, but in IL-2 Great Battles, the resolution is amazing when compared to my old HTC Vive Pro 1.
This is terrible news for us 'G2' owners that were waiting for an update from HP!
Like you, I was hoping they would announce a new version with better lenses. I think the resolution is the right balance for performance on current high end PC's. Except for the narrow field of view. But I just pretend I have a racing helmet on or a flight helmet or goggles (depending on the simulation) and that is what is blocking my horizontal side view.
Maybe a third party will be able to make better lenses for the Reverb G2 V2? And maybe their will be a way to bypass Windows Mixed Reality? This HMD is just too popular for it to die. Especially in DCS. Eagle Dynamics really needs to pull their finger out of 'you know where!' CPU optimization is extremely important to get below a frame time of 11ms of latency, if you want 90Hz.
I am hoping some flight sim entrepreneurs will come out with something. Like they did with the Spitfire spade flight stick. I think the same guys also made a Spitfire Chassis control lever. Which was the reason for the spade grip in the Spitfire in the first place. Controlling the plane with either hand.
so its dump to buy a hp reverb g2 rn ? idont understand what you are trying to say. HP is leaving the vr buisness so what ? no more improvements for the g2 but its still grate ?
I noticed the G2 for $250 at Target online last night. Sold out now. With this news, should we still purchase the G2 for MSFS? How often are current HP drivers updated? Would the lack of new drivers in the future after 2026 be an issue for using the G2?
No one can tell you! But if you want to play future VR games, it is never guaranteed that they will run flawlessly on the G2.
Hp Japan changed the price of the G2 to a ridiculous amount. The ew price was over 130000yen. G2 is completely dead. I hope the future of VR is bright.
Hi I have the 3090 i9 10700 I believe would you recommend the pics vr 4 or shall I stick the reverb g2?
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Four years into the G1, decided to skip the G2. Mostly because of WMR, too many layers of software frameworks to deal with. So I'm looking to the future, maybe in 4-5 years the technology has really matured, along with GPU-tech. GPU tech is totally backwards right now, with the brick-sized heat ovens they call GPU's....so I'll hold out a while longer for the (hopefully) matured stuff 😀
Miles off here dude. My 4090 FE is near enough silent compared to my Strix 3080, and twice as fast.
@@thelmaviaduct Great that you're happy with it, that's what counts. I'm just saying that the GPU technology needs to evolve. Remember thos huge and bulky Bigfoot harddrives of the 90's. Huge, as in size and power consumption, not capacity. Or those "mobile" phone bricks in the 80's. 20 years later we have small chips on NVME SSD's containing terabytes of data, with high speed bandwidth and very little power consumption. Look at ARM processors, like the ones Apple use, that's CPU evolution right there. Unless the GPU tech evolves, we'll end up with two computer cases, one for the main components and another for just the GPU. Regular people won't be able to afford the power bill. Sounds backwards to me. YMMV :)
@@TheMack I couldn't be more happy. They're expensive, but roughly double fps for double the 3080 RRP is good value imho. Not only that, it should have a decent long life compared to a 10GB 3080, so value increases. The power consumption figures are all hype also. Similar to a 3090Ti but 70% faster. They're a great product if you can find one at RRP. It's true 120fps 4k gaming, 3080 is 60fps 4k and is loud as fcuk. The card easily fits in my ancient 2nd hand lian li PC6 case too, with lots of room to spare.
@@thelmaviaduct That's good, I'm happy for you. The 4090 FE is the king today, enjoy it. Hopefully we get some GPU competition going so that Nvidia doesn't stagnate like Intel did and AMD had to kick their sorry behinds 😆
@@TheMack it's not a boast mate, just passing on info. I sold a lot of gear to afford mine. There's always something better around the corner, but right now is a sweet place to be and tomorrow never comes. I wasted a lot of money on 3070ti and 3080 chasing the 4k dream. 4090 delivers in spades. 4080 is good card but not good value. 4090 is an excellent card and good value at FE rrp and it's not running hot or loud.
Very beautiful. A glider? Is this a standard asset in MSFS ?
Very sad news ofcourse, i was thinking about getting ones...but the thing that was stoping me was the graphic card requirements :)
What minimum gpu will you say it will require? And what headset would u say its the replacement-alternative of the reverb g2?
Thanks
Luv my g2 v2 playing cyberpunk with it.
Sony could clean up if they allowed their new headset to be used for pcvr..
But the PSVR2 has Fresnel lenses :(
This rumor of HP leaving the VR market was tweeted as 3d party insider info. This vid appears to be an extrapolation of this along with other somewhat related industry news, and it is more of an opinion piece than hard news IMO. Hopefully this scenario won't be unfolding as reported here.
Yep saw it coming once MSFT announced they got rid of the Hololense and Mixed Reality teams as part of their recent layoffs.
Part of the trouble is that others (and to be fair this channel) looking for the best and shiniest new thing in VR quickly started extolling the virtues of and comparing the G2 to the Varjo Aero once the Varjo was out. As soon as that happened people started thinking "Maybe I don't want to spend my money on second best and be always outside looking enviously in on the Varjo owners. Perhaps I need to save up longer for the Varjo." Nothing worse than constantly kicking yourself for not buying what you really wanted first time.
This is very true, I would have picked up a G2 long ago but most commentaries around he place suggested it was a bit mediocre compared to the higher end stuff that I could not afford, so I deferred getting into VR until I could manage a really high end headset and the PC to go with it.
Yep me too. Was all set to buy the Reverb but after hearing VR Flight Sim Guy getting orgasmic over the Varjo Aero I just didn't want to waste my hard-earned on a headset that was clearly going to be outdated almost immediately. Yes it's still a good headset but its nowhere nearly as good as the Varjo - and now everyone knows it. Especially me 😞
This is very sad news. I am worried as well. Now you only have the option for standalone headsets with data compression or 2000 + headsets
As a longtime VR user (since my pre-ordered Rift CV1), currently using the Valve Index, I hate this news.
HP was the only other company I trusted to make a potential replacement for my Index. Pimax is too expensive and too sketchy, Somnium doesn't even include audio (what a joke), and the HTC XR Elite is an obvious compromise in more than one way.
My G1 is fabulous, I bought it for 270 euros from the A Warehouse, like new. I was waiting for a G3 to come.
This is the second time I have had a terrible experience with HP, the first with a laptop with a faulty chip that regularly failed and I experienced terribly poor support. Well that is it for me and HP, I will never purchase from them again and will let everyone I know to beware of this companies products.
i started with a Rift S i got great deal on but then when i got some money i updated to the G2 & love it . I guess will just have to keep an eye out for deals on the next gen VR which i hope do come as i can't go back to 2 d Monitors even if have 3 of them. Sad sad news when looked like HP VR was getting better & better . ☹☹☹
Will I still be able to use my g2? Or will it just stop working
A sad day indeed but kind of understandable when you consider just how toxic and poisonous the wider VR community can be. Those poor designers and product reps took an absolute battering when most of the release issues were caused by an underlying fault in the Ryzen platform.
Does anyone know what causes that weird effect on the video? I've had it happen to me but don't know what causes it?
This is to show thermal and ridge activity You can disabled it in the weather settings, although I can't recall where exactly.
Thanks
i think the whole tech sector is in a slump right now.....Intel, Nvidia, Philips, AMD , google are all sacking people ;-/