2023 VW ID.4 Pro: 10-80% Charging Curve
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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In this video I show and review the charging curve of the 2023 ID.4 Pro. This video can be used to help you know when your car is charging properly, and when any potential issues may be at play. Knowing your charging curve could save you precious time time when making long road trips.
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I just charged my 2021 id4 pro s today from 9% at electrify America 350kw charger and it took about the same time as you did. My max rate was 182kw and I am running the latest SW 3.2.12.
That's awesome to hear! I'll have to do a charging test on a 21 with the update to log it!
That’s crazy. Mine has been charging last road trip at 113 kw / hour.
I have a 21 I’d.4
What an awesome video. Thx for posting. You should have way more views for the quality of your content! Im grabbing my 2023 ID4 AWD tomorrow. I'll try and post my charging results on Electrify Canada!
Thanks for watching! I appreciate the compliment, I’m just trying to bring my perspective on everything. Please be sure to share to others if you don’t mind!
I’m interested to see how your ID.4 charges! Be sure to include the temperature. I get lots of questions about charging based on outside temperature. Thanks again!
The highest charging speed of my LG battery Id4 is 156kw.
Thanks for sharing! I wish I could see a full 10-80% charge to analyze it!
How do consumers find out WHICH battery is included in their ID4?!
From what I can tell most dealerships advertise that it is an LG battery. If not the window sticker has a section about location of parts. If any of it is from Korea, then it has the LG battery.
Why you pay for charging? Don’t ID4 get 3 years free 30 minutes charge?
When we use EA we use the free charging plan for the ID.4. EA is so terrible I prefer to use another network if possible to have a positive charging experience. I’m actually not a big fan of free charging and will absolutely pay for reliable charging.
Fabulous video - very helpful as I am considering an ID4 Pro RWD - thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Feel free to reach out for any more specific questions you may have!
You are right, I just bought this car and I love. You get alot car for the money.
The cost per mile with this car on a quick charge is pretty damn high. Nowhere near as efficient as my 2015 e-Golf SEL, which I usually see from 5.8 miles per kw to 6.6 miles per kw. This is a heavy pig of a SUV, my 2014 Toureg weighs 4970# and is much larger than this.
I have used three different EA chargers - all 350kw and the best I got was 130 kw and only for a few minutes. I started each time at about 23% SOC
Fascinating! Were they the new chargers? Where are they located? If they are nearby I’d be interested in checking them out. Something definitely sounds wrong with the charger. My only thought is if they were the new charger and were balanced. If someone was on the other dispenser if the lair you would get reduced rates. Also, it is possible the curve acts different when you plug in at higher states of charge? Aside from that I have no clue! I might test that theory on a 350kW as well. Maybe do a 20% start, 30% start, 40% start, and 50% start. Could be interesting!
I just went on a trip this weekend and got 180kW or more every time. I was under 10% SOC charger though.
temperature apparently makes a big difference in charging speed both for the EA charger and the VW battery.
The best speed I have gotten on my ID.4 is 100kW so far, but I always end up charging at 6am, so it has been low 40's to finally above 50 degrees when I got the 100kW.
Thanks! The problem w ID4s and many other EVs is the lack of a good heat pump to prevent sapping the range and the lack of any preconditioning systems like tesla has. My wife loves our ID4, but with price decreases on the model y, placed an order. Rear cargo in id4 is better with removable false floor for our dog though. 🤔 I’m torn
This is just speculation, not fact, but I think it is likely the ID.4 will eventually receive preconditioning via an OTA update. When will that happen, if ever? Who knows? I’m thinking once they have all the IDs OTA capable they will put that update out. We shall see!
The Y is a great car, but build quality and ride quality is not as good as ID.4 in my opinion. The Y has great software and an unparalleled charging network, that is pretty much what you are paying for. Let me know what you all end up doing! It doesn’t get too cold in Maryland so the cold weather EV issues are bearable. We also charge at home so we almost never have to deal with the charging speed issues.
Hello. Have a 2023 S+ on order for over a year now, and because mine is white with white and blue interior I’m told May or June is their next guess for delivery. Apparently my res was lost, and thankfully my dealer was nice enough to bust some heads to get it back in line. I’m told they do production runs of like models. Do you have any information on 1). How to identify VW Chattanooga’s production schedule? And 2). How VW intends on disseminating mineral sources in our cars? I’ve spent time talking to dealers and VW, and they all say the same thing. ‘We have no information, and contact your tax consultant’. Ya right, my tax consultant is going to have better information than VW. Frustrating. I’ve decided to just claim the car qualify for the $7500 tax credit and let the IRS figure it out. Any info would be great… and I really like your line of videos. Keep up the GREAT work.😮
Thanks for watching! I know that they have been producing S Plus’ for a bit now. Historically, the ID.4s out of Chattanooga have been delivered in the early side of the projected window. Our window was Dec-Feb and the car was delivered the end of January. I would just make sure the dealer keeps check for you. There info was always 2-3 weeks ahead of the portal.
I’m not sure about the minerals yet but will definitely report on that as it comes out. I have a feeling the guidelines will be more lax than anticipated, so we shall see. At a minimum most think the ID.4s with SKI batteries will get half of the tax credit since they battery was made in the US.
Please keep me updated in your journey! I will update when I hear info about batteries. I know March will be interesting when the rules are released. Thanks again for watching!
VW submitted paperwork to the IRS and was approved in April for the tax credit. I leased my car in April to get the tax credit money up front in the lease and at the time they hadn't been approved, but then I have to go through the extra step of buying the car to keep it beyond the lease. In 2024 the tax credit can be taken at PoS for buying or leasing.
Whoa that’s awesome news on charging speeds. I live in Canada and have an ID.4 on order so the wait continues. I’m asuming to get those speeds you were at the 350kw chargers?
Yes the tests were on the new 350 kW Signet Units with the ID.4 battery at optimum temperature!
@@theaverageev how did you get the battery pack at the optimum temperature? I see the outside temperature from the odb to be pretty low.
@@KS-yc8di thanks for asking! Driving for a long time about three hours. I had also charged about an hour prior as well. In normal temps you are likely to get close to this curve as the battery warms due to do DC charging. In the cold driving for extended periods will raise the temp.
So on a road-trip I would charge to 100% to start, drive 2-3 hours and by then your battery should be good to go. I would imagine you will get good charging on road trips regardless of outside temps.
If your car sits in the cold and then you take it to charge at a fast charger it will definitely get slower speeds. At that rate if you can I would try and charge over night at home. If you can’t do that, you are going to have to live with the slow speeds until the weather warms up or VW finally releases preconditioning. I’m hoping they comes by next winter.
Probably not the answer you were looking for… sorry!
How did you know whitch battery you have.I will get mine next month and the dealer told me that i will get the LG battery.He also mentionned that RWD get the LG and AWD get the SKi.I remember you saying you were getting a RWD.
RWD drive can get either the SKI battery or LG battery. AWD is just SKI. That is what the communication I was sent said when they broke that news. Your window sticker should state where the parts are made. If it has Korea than you have the LG battery. Also, the reservation system should tell you as well!
Agree car needs battery pre-conditioning. Considering Cariad writes software for Taycan as well as ID.4, it is odd VW does not pre-conditioning and Plug&Charge. What software is your car running?
Completely agree. Hoping this will be an update once all IDs are on the same software with OTAs.
We have 3.1.
I have never gotten over 90kw charge. It takes 30 minutes to from 35ish to 80 percent.
Interesting. A few questions! I assume you have a 23 but want to confirm. Is it every charger? Or do you tend to frequent one? If so which one (location I want to investigate it for you) and what is the brand. Do you usually go straight from home or have you been driving for over an hour? Also assuming temps are pretty decent right.
Looking into buying a Pro. How's the range degradation on these?
Not too bad! About 2kwH of degradation. So about 7 miles. That is 20000 miles of driving. Degradation will also slow down a bit. I e been keeping track and will continue to report on it!
What was the outside temp and had you just finished driving on the interstate? With our ‘23 ID4 Pro S AWD it was said to have the SK battery, but when plugging in around 30% typically only get 50-60 kWh. Many times it’s stuck at 50kwh, granted it‘s in the 30 degree F range
It was 42 degrees at the time of charge 40-50 degrees while driving. I drove a long while to get down to 10% and to get the battery nice and warm. I would bet the farm your battery is too cold. If you can charge at home I would recommend that. If not, you can “yo-yo” your car to warm up the battery. Out of Spec Reviews just released a video today about that, if you want to check that out. Unfortunately the cold stinks with EVs. If you were on a long trip in the cold you should be ok since the battery will warm up over the length of the trip.
Interesting that pack went from 20 to 45 C. Can you observe battery cooling/heating power?
I can add that next time I charge. This battery behaves the same as the ID.Buzz which also gets to the low to mid 40s at top temperature. I tried to do a test on a 150kW charge but was only receiving 300amps instead of 350amps and my pack voltage was a bit low. I wanted to see how much the battery warmed up with the slower charging and if it allowed the vehicle to charge even flatter while at a slower speed. Hoping to try that again and get a better result. I should have been getting the full 350amps, going to try a different station. Battery was warm enough as well...
I own an id.4 with SK
It doesnt always get these charging rates because what you achieved was under ideal battery conditions and an EA 350w that seems to be working pretty well
Tesla has preconditioning for the batteries and the supercharger v3 it can do this speed every time
I do like my ID.4 buts let's be real.. is nowhere near the MY for charging
At the top of the video I state that this is session was under ideal conditions. Charging curves like this are meant to be a guide to understand how your vehicle should charge, and then when your battery isn’t charging like this you could conclude as to why it isn’t charging at top speeds. Generally on a road trip you are going to see this charging curve as your battery will stay around near ideal temperature the majority of the trip. Tesla Bjorn demonstrates this with the ID Buzz that has nearly the exact same charging curve (and no preconditioning).
Most people should charge at home where the charging curve doesn’t matter. Individuals that have to charge on public networks (apartment dwellers, city dwellers) would be most affected by temperature, and of course when it’s cold they will not get this curve unless they have been driving for a while.
At “normal” temperatures 68-72, it is likely that without driving for a long time the vehicle will get close to this curve especially since it will take less for the battery to heat up.
I have a 10-80% curve video on a 150kW charge with a failed power module that is coming out soon that shows a rather unideal charge scenario.
Thanks for watching and let me know of any other test you might want to see. Out of Spec already has a cold weather test on ID.4 so I’m reluctant to create something that already exists. Anything else, I’m game.
Totally missed your Model Y comment. Again, I’m just comparing curves and their 10-80% is exactly the same. As I said in the video the Model Y would road trip better because of its 10-50% and the network. (TBH honest I would never buy a new Tesla because of build quality. They drive loud and are assembled in a rush and it shows.)
Volkswagen can easily add preconditioning with an OTA Update and I suspect they will eventually.
Your video shows how well the SK Innovation battery recharges! My question is how is one able to find out which battery a particular ID 4 has. I’m in the midst of purchasing a 2023 Pro that has a manufacturing date of December, 2022. The Monroney sticker states Final Assembly: Chattanooga TN, Engine: United States, Transmission: United States. Does EVERY ID 4 coming out of Chattanooga have the SK Innovation battery, or are some of them being shipped with the LG battery? My dealer states that he cannot determine the type of battery my car has. Any help will be appreciated.
Yes some ID.4s have the LG battery now Is there any way you can get the window sticker? Additionally, did you have a reservation or are you purchasing this off the lot? The window sticker should have where the components of the vehicle are from. If it says Korea. It should have the LG battery.
@@theaverageev My Monroney sticker states: US/Canadian Parts Content: 79%. Major Sourses of Foreign Parts Content: Mexico 15%.
Is the only way to say that my car has the SK Innovation battery is through inference, that Korea isn’t mentioned, therefore the car must contain the SK Innovation battery? (That seems reasonable.)
Thank you for your very prompt replies!
The Monroney label will say LG, or Sk in the top right dark colored bar. I got mine in April 2023 with the LG battery
What OBD and app are you using?
I use the Veepeak. I might get a nicer one eventually but it works and gets the job done. I use the Car Scanner Pro App!
How do you get these speeds? The fastest I have ever charged at was 75kw at a 350kw EA station.
What is your state of charge when you plug in? You will only get these speeds from 0-25 ish%. Also what temperature was it when your charged? Cold will severely affect charge speeds. Ideal is 68-72 degrees
@@theaverageev usually 10-30% when I charge. I haven’t had my home charger installed so I go when I can. I’m in Los Angeles so its been cold, just not COLD COLD. is there a way to precondition on my drive to the station?
I’ve noticed when it is like 40-50 I get 70-80kW. Lower than 40 is usually 30-40kW. Unfortunately there is no preconditioning. I’m hoping that comes eventually vis a software update.
@@theaverageev i charged today and hit 120…still far short of the 175 advertised on the ski battery. I changed my direct charge setting to 50% i think that helped keep it 100+ longer
Dear Average EV,
I did my first long trip to Boston this weekend from upstate New York. The trip out was great and I was impressed with all highway driving how my range held up on the way in. I charged to 100% and got to Newton with 47% state of charge left and 127 miles left. I charged Sunday morning at Electrify America to 80% and drove around Boston for most of the day, but getting ready to head back, I got a bit nervous with only 67% remaining so I went back to Electify America and topped off at 80 for the trip home. Coming back was a different story.
Once I got to the Mass Pike,my range began to plummet. It was evening so no airconditioning and just a bit of heat. I should have had just under 100 left but I limped home with just 19% remaining and 49 miles left. The numbers turned to orange to alert me. I did 158 miles going to Boston (including a side trip to Becket) but since I only went to Arlington and added those miles, I should have had more than 19% and only 47 miles left..
Please share your thoughts?
Thanks for reaching out! Hopefully I’m understanding, you left with 100% and got to Boston with 47%. So 53% used. Then on the return trip you stated at 80% and arrived home with 19%. So 61% used.
Without knowing much else my guess would be elevation and wind probably caused for the increase in consumption. Those are two leading factors in consumption differences!
Coming home with 19% is not too bad! As you get used to longer trips you need to pick a low end % you feel comfortable going to. I shoot for 2-5% but almost always end higher. For those that are more nervous I think 10-15% is a good floor to leave you with range confidence.
It sounds like you were able to make it on one charge, so that is pretty awesome!
I would highly recommend using ABRP if you want a better picture of what your consumption will be. This app takes in to consideration elevation change and wind. It will give you a much better idea of range and if you need to charge. While the ID.4 software does ok, it only goes based off your vehicles estimated range left instead of including other factors.
For example typically when I drive to Raleigh for my Boomerang challenge there is a huge decrease in elevation. So I tend to get better efficiency going to Raleigh and have less efficiency on the way back.
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions! Feel free to check out mine or any other RUclipsrs road-trip videos for a better understanding. I spent hours watching Kyle Conner road-trip diffeeent EVs to help build my confidence for road-tripping. My videos might be useful since it is ID.4 specific!
Lastly! What year, trim, and do you have AWD or RWD do you have? Be in the look out for a warm weather range test! I’m running the ID.4 for a warm weather 70 mph range test this weekend that may be useful too!!!
The resistance heaters in a lot of EV's tend to use up the power compared to EV's with heat pumps. The seat heater is much more efficient than the air heat and I always turn that on first. It's possible that it could have used 8% on your trip. Wind can also make a big difference as can cold and rain.
I usually try to arrive at my destination at 10% if there is a charger there. In winter, I try for 20% just to be more conservative. If I am going somewhere without a charger, I usually try to have enough to get back to a charger and a fudge factor.
The fastest part of the charging curve is when the battery is lowest.
@@kenmcclow8963 great points! Thanks for sharing!
Don't turn the heater on, dress for the weather, instead.
Becket is 1500 feet above sea level compared to Boston at 0. That was most of your estimated loss.
My 2023 ID4 has only charged a average of 70-80 KWh. It was purchased in late November, is there a way to know what battery manufacturer your 23 model has?
Hmm! Where do you live and what have the temps been? What state of charge do you plug in at? The window sticker should say where the vehicle is manufactured. If it says any of it is built in Korea then you have the LG battery. But an ID sold in November 100% has the SK battery.
I live in southeastern PA and the temperatures have been ranging from the 20’s to the mid 40’s. SOC is usually no lower then 20% and no higher then 50%. The car was a Chattanooga built vehicle and has been charged after being driven for a long time so it wasn’t cold.
@@ds3040 gotcha. A couple more questions. I’m assuming you were using EA? Were these 150kW units and was your top speed 100kW? I believe these units have failing power modules. Causing lower charging speeds.
I have used 150 hwh and 350 kWh machines at Electrify America and I didnt see a difference between the two in charge rates.
@@ds3040 interesting… unfortunately it is hard for me to say without seeing your cars data. I think that the second gen signet units with the grey are starting to have power modules. I have noticed at two different sites that my car is charging below what my car is requesting. This is at ideal battery temperatures as well. I would be interested to see what happens for you if you use an EVGo 350kW with a warm battery.
Would be interesting to see a 2021-22 10-80% charge time. I bet they’re within 5-7mins.
7 minute difference sounds about right!
Charging from 10 to 80% cost more than gasoline?
This is a loaded question? Can you be more specific as to what your asking? With current gas prices it is definitely cheaper. I have run some calculations on other videos about gas vs. electric fueling costs and total cost of ownership.
But the intent of this video is just the speed of charging and how one might use the curve to maximize traveling.
VW includes 3 years of free 30 minute sessions at EA chargers, so definitely cheaper than gas. If not using the free minutes, EA charges $0.48 per kWH, or I think $0.43 for membership levels.
I pay $40-50 per month to charge at home to drive about 1200 miles with my electricity at $0.102 per kWH. I have a gas Explorer with costs about $55 per five days at $4.23 per gallon (roughly 250 miles)
My 2015 Passat TDI SEL with DSG gets 43 to 50 mpg on diesel. Figure out the best price of diesel where you live on Gas Buddy and divide the cost of a gallon of diesel by the mpg you get. In CA, where I live, diesel was $4.17 last time I filled up. That's 9.3 cents per mile. These ID4's are lucky to get 3 miles per kWh and if you're paying $0.43 to $0.50 per kwh. The economics don't add up.... I can also tell you the insurance liability cost on an electric car with the heavy weight and the amount of damage it does if you hit something with it, is extremely expensive, far more than a gas powered car. The economics aren't there, yet.