Roger Federer - One Handed Backhand Swing Analysis
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Great breakdown of Roger's backhand...thank you. The only missing feature I find is his grip. That would be helpful.
I can´t access to the link (appears..." nothing found"), could you bring me the plan by mail? Thanks.
Link is dead!
As a Federer fan , I went to this about ten years ago and it makes the
backhand almost effortless, helps with chop and topspin backhands also. Power too.
The best analysis on youtube.. really impressive. I will test this morning on the court
Let us know how it works for you, Peppino!
Well how'd it go?
He died
Your comment on how amateurs let the racket face to change angle at the end of the pull back was a lifesaver and I had never heard it mentioned by other online coaches. Thank You.
Great video and breakdown of Roger's BH! Thanks for sharing the analysis. Now, I will try it out and video my play to review and shamelessly copy him. :)
This lesson is amazing. Thanks a lot for sharing it.
Thanks for the instructions. Very helpful
One thing I noticed is that there is a slight tilt of the shoulders during racquet prep phase with the dominant shoulder slightly lower than the non-dominant. I believe this helps the player get the racquet under the ball (in addiction to bending the knees a bit) to hit in that “low to high” motion
Great analysis! Not sure if I have the flexibility to get to Roger's shoulder position but everything beyond 90 degrees should help!
Great analysis, thank you . What grip is he using for the single handed backhand?
Hi Ian:Bravo ! Bravo ! Bravo ! Superb video teaching the various positions of Roger's swing. I am committed to work on the one hander - currently using the two hander which gives me more power but less consistency. One hander also enables me to get to balls that I cannot reach with the two hander. However, had trouble when I worked on the one hander before to consistently drive he ball and hit it where I wanted it to go. One of my errors was being late at contact but I see clearly where I need to be and how to get there.Could you forward the action plan on this to meMany thanksJimmy
Really works great tq pls do keep more videos tq sir
So Helpful for your backhand.
Good to hear, Ray! -Ian
Brilliant!!
Many thanks for sharing your experience!
Very detailed...if you immitate it yourself you notice how lowering the forward sholder actually increased back shoulder rotation. Also the stomach muscles are in forward rotation. I like to tell students to keep that belly button from facing the net until racquet contacts the ball.
His hip rotation and opening up helps with the power
Excellent analysis! Thank you.
ruclips.net/video/wKxr12VTxIg/видео.html
As a coach I rarely of ever site YouRube. There's just too much content. And frankly you will never ever ever have a backhand like Federer. Ever. Quite by chance I happened upon this coaches Facebook video feed. It's not polished, it's not full of promises, and they don't come across as omnipotent. And it doesn't hurt that for me, he's a lefty too. I have had a number of student struggle with a one hander, but understandably motivated by Henin, Moresmo, Federer, and Thiem and my fave Richard Gasguet. Why this tutorial works for me as a player and coach is that it warns of the flourish of the backswing, as well as the reason for Rogers fairly dramatic finish. It speaks to the racquet face at point of contact, and explains how and where the power is produced, which is particularly good considering its vastly different than where a 2-hander could or rotates. Super key is seeing Rogers racquet face parallel to the net and mentioning the butt of the racquet and where it should be pointed, and why. Finally, there's very little ego in these videos. If there's one thing we do not need, is another rich white 40 something male tennis coach making promises from the job security of some country club. That this coach spoke to his own desire to improve, and admitted an investment in personal time was the key, tell everyone that even a coach needs coaching and everyone has the potential to improve if they are willing to make the investment. Maybe there is hope for tennis after all.
Doesn't Federer use a modified eastern backhand grip? Does he even change his grip from his ready position to his backhand grip?
Tutorial yg sangat bermanfaat bagi pemain tennis.
Great video. Question: is his wrist in a neutral position or extension position at contact? Roger’s wrist is at an extension position at contact in his forehand, but it seems here it’s in a neutral position. Can you please help me confirm that and why the difference?
Great lesson ! Thanks ! Much help (as always). One question I have, How do you download your action plan to an iPhone ?
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Opening up of racquet head as we take the backswing could be one of the most underrated aspect of backhand imo.
Did he move his wrist as he follows thru after contact?
I've started playing tennis freshman year of highschool and for almost 20 years now, I have always hit a 1-handed backhand. I've tried 2-handed because everyone recommends it, but it never felt natural to me. It makes quite a lot of sense to pretty much have part of your back facing the court when you load up for a backhand because you need some sort of rotation. If not for this and you are perpendicular to the ball, then you're just moving your arm from your shoulder joint. Like a forehand, there needs to be some sort of torsion involved. The swing path that a 1h backhand takes should be from the front of your chest towards your back. It is not from your left shoulder towards your right shoulder and onwards, if you're right handed. It's not a line but more of a swoop around your body. Another key thing that not many people mention is that you need to keep your head looking down. You can see that even Federer does this. He doesn't look at where the ball is going right after he hits it, he doesn't move his head up or anything; he keeps his head down, looking at point of contact for quite a while. A lot of recreational players look up towards the ball after they hit it. From your body position and point of contact with the ball, you already know where you're going to hit that shot. There is no need to look at the ball or at your opponent or the court until after the ball practically passes the net.
Good analysis. I think the open racquet face in the back swing is for disguise, so one cannot predict if he plays a topspin, drive or slice. This was more important in the old times. Sampras did this, Edberg, Rod Laver and more. As an amateur player I was told not to do too much body rotation. Rather focus on stability by going through the ball from down to up and forward and use the left arm as balance. The body rotation ist just the result. It helped my consistency, maybe not my power. Pros play a different game anyhow.
Interesting thought RE disguise, Andreas! I'll have to go back and watch some old footage of those top players. Going back as far as Laver I wouldn't be surprised if his drive and slice setup was basically identical. With players as recent as Sampras, however, there's no question in my mind that he sets up very differently for each shot, at the very least with his grip, which is pretty easy to spot from the other side of the court. Definitely an interesting discussion! Thanks so much for watching. -Ian
Perhaps a more advanced question but is it a good idea to “break the wrist” in the form of ulnar deviation to disguise whether the shot is cross-court or down the line?
Definitely don't recommend that, Anacap. "Disguise" is really, really overrated, especially at the amateur level. You'll end up making many more errors than you're able to successfully "fool" any decent opponent. -Ian
What kind of spin should this shot create?
Great video.
May I recommend Roger Federer patterns of play as a future video at one point?
It would be great to see some of his go to plays during a match, how he sets up a point to win it.
For example slice out wide on deuce and then inside out forehand to the empty court, etc..
Also Ian, I have a question for you but im not sure where I could ask, I think in this comment section is innapropriate since its about the OHB.
Hey Alen! Great suggestion - You can email your question to support@essentialtennis.com and we'll get back to you. -Ian
Great suggestion, Warrior.
Does he turn his body or just his arm and slightly turns his whole body?
What is Roger backhand Grip? In some situation, Roger use slide which little different action than this.
Wasn't Rosewall's backhand similiar except coming forward he kept the racket face slightly open which resulted in a slightly sliced backhand. I witnessed it and at that time it was considered a great backhand.
Rosewall's backhand: ruclips.net/video/Rws3xyYbthI/видео.html I saw him in 1983 (I believe) in a senior tournament. I would describe his backhand as a sort of flat slice. He had a continental grip, but instead of bringing the racquet down and across, most of the time he would take the racquet back at the same level as the ball and go through it with a slightly open face, not necessarily a rocket, but fast enough and extremely accurate, the perfect stroke to use with small racquet heads and low-bouncing, fast surfaces. Wonderful player to watch. Even at that age, he was a slick mover with great balance and perfect timing. He wouldn't overpower you, just carve you up like a turkey.
Hey Coach Ian,
Thank you for detailed explanation please. Your work deserve like and subscription... So don't need to ask for it.
Merci beaucoup
You're very welcome, shirin!
@@EssentialTennis it's your kindness... Fada mada!
Thanks to you!
Any tips to do this upperbody twist and not struggle to see The ball?
Very few people have the athletic flexibility, vision and conditioning of arguably the greatest all around tennis player of all time. That said, your mileage may(no WILL) vary.
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did I miss it?? what's the grip for back hand??
His backhand is still evolving and this really isn't a model to emulate yet. Check out "Roger Federer- The Perfect Start to 2018" and you will see he is finally on his way to understanding the hip and shoulder action of the great ones. The open face backswing to square impact is just plain anatomy and physiology and instinctively normal. Thanks for this video!
You don't think a the 2016 Federer backhand is good enough for amateur players to emulate, Frank? -Ian
Hey Ian, check out the subtle differences in hip shoulder positions at impact for the great Federer. There is no one consistent impact position yet. I'm not sure but if I had to bet the house I think Federer used two hands at some point in his early early tennis days and the transition to one is still not complete. His inhuman athletic ability allows for great results without perfect technique. The scary part for the rest of the world is I think he figured it out this off season because some of the backhands he hit in Perth as good as have ever been hit and you could tell he enjoyed them. For the exact hip shoulder impact position he is trying to own, go back to Laver, Rosewall and a young McEnroe who was making sure to emulate Laver. I enjoyed your video because I had never thought about arm and racket rotation before but there it is plain as day. This is the same rotation described by Ben Hogan for the lead arm in the golf swing. If Hogan did it, it was instinctive because his generation learned their swings the same way we all learned to walk, with the body leading the way and the brain cataloging "what hurts and what works".
It’s good to revise shots you think you could probably do with your eyes closed. Reinforce the knowledge that separates reliable & unreliable ball striking. My forehand has gone kaput just recently so I’ll be heading over to that playlist.
Hope our videos are helpful, Will!
Ian, you play with a OHBH? Do you encourage it for young players?
I do, Sifo. When starting a child off I definitely prefer two handed. -Ian
@@EssentialTennis wow but my coach instruct to use both hands for beginners even if adult... Any comment please
notice his racket closes over the ball after i the face was on edge applying topspin
A thing about roger’s backhand, he changed his OHB due to his injuries. 2018 one hand back is better than past season. I hope you analysise most recent of Roger Federer + also, what grip does he using?
Really, I didn't hear about that. What do you think he changed? -Ian
I saw in some interview, he said he didn't work so much on the OHB itself as his backhand return - where he learned to start coming over the ball more. I've been dying to find slow motion footage of his backhand from 2017 because it does look different and the results speak for themselves but it's hard to come by. There are a few in this video: ruclips.net/video/PpkUlV8tiOo/видео.html
My personal take on it is that it looks like he moved more toward a continental grip and is taking the ball closer to the body. It makes for a short release into the ball that he's getting a lot of action out of. I'd really love if someone could put together a good analysis of this because Roger's backhand is consistently credited for his revival the last couple of years and all the slow mo compilations of Federer seem to be from earlier years. Thanks!
Interesting. I'd love to see some detailed analysis with images of before and after! Let us know if you come across that, Carl. -Ian
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yes but look at his raquet finish on edge topspin applied
Your video analysis tutorials are excellent. You should spend more time focusing on those and maybe include a small Q&A section with subscribers. Could even start the video with a question from a subscriber showing a Twitter/Insta/RUclips screenshot e.g. 'Stacey from Minnesota asks 'how can I get the power on my two handed backhand like Serena Williams?''
'Well Stacey, let's take a look at how Serena generates most of her power...'
Future interesting videos could also include how certain players have changed their game to help them defeat their opponents.
Another great analysis would be to look at the evolution of the game specifically looking at players like Hyeon Chung (was an honour having a side on view of his match against Djokovic in Melbourne) and Dennis Shapovalov and seeing how much harder the ball is hit without inhibition these days. Just ask Tsonga if you want a second opinion of that.
Appreciate the input, Asad! -Ian
This is a very unique tallent. Not everybody can mimic Roger.
With heavy racquet and stretched swing!
And don’t forget to consider a comparison between Federer at the start of his career and Federer now...unless you’ve done that already of course (especially given the achievements in the last hour!)!!
I like the vid, but there is one thing I would like to observe. With ANY topspin shot, the racket face generally has to be somewhat closed at contact: As you brush low to high, part of the energy imprints spin on the ball but another part tosses it upwards (this is why topspin shots hit at waist height don´t end up in the net). This tossing needs counteracting, the degree depending on how lobby you want your shot to be. Because such tossing component exists, the contact with a vertical racket face CAN ONLY be a very specific case, one among an infinity of desired face angles, (and one that in fact produces very "lobby" shots. )
For anyone reading I want to clear this up: you don’t need your face to be closed on contact to generate topspin, at the end of the day what generates topspin is going low to high, if you brush up perpendicularly to the ball you will still get topspin
@@impresssed1213 lol
My biggest problem is that I break my wrist instead of keeping it steady. It's a difficult thing to unlearn when you're playing both table tennis and tennis...
It is very important to warm up the wrist before playing. Especially in your case. Play safe.
my coach played at stanford university
Great analysis...now let's see how we apply it on us, it's gonna be a completely different show lol
That's what the Action Plan is for, Catalin! Follow the steps, record yourself so you can compare, and you can absolutely make strides in the direction of quality fundamentals like Roger. Nothing I focused on in this video is out of reach for an amateur athlete. The question, of course, is "to what level of quality can you execute?". -Ian
Essential Tennis - Lessons and Instruction for Passionate Players as you saw my backhand is pretty good and thanks to your advice if got even better... unfortunately I cannot practice anymore..or at least for a couple of months cause the doctors said no more sport...I think it's gonna be so wired when I'll take the raquet again..😔
So sorry to hear that, Catalin! Please don't give up completely while you're healing, however. Visualization, shadow swings, improving your knowledge of tactics and strategy, and your understanding of the mental game are all things you can still do to improve yourself and your game! Of course, nothing takes the place of reps on the court, but view this as an opportunity to improve at lots of other facets of the game. -Ian
Essential Tennis - Lessons and Instruction for Passionate Players I still practice shadow swings..I'm gonna be on court again, it will just take some time...
Stay patient, my friend! -Ian
I have a Question, when and how do you change your grip for the backhand and the forehand.
These two videos should help, Maktube: ruclips.net/video/cJCyMldkGM8/видео.html ruclips.net/video/5GoTV_m1EY8/видео.html
I would like to see the backhand of Almagro or Wawrinka. Isn't their backhand not much more interesting? Greets from Heidelberg ;-)
The internet disagrees, Elvis! 😆
look at his stance thats the key to his balance
he can hit open or closed look at contact point only
look at his feet distance of his feet is how he applies spin
his grip is the secret grip pressure last 3 fingers
So regarding his backhand grip, he looks like he uses a continental grip. Am I correct?
I'd say he's in between continental and and a full "eastern backhand", anonymity. He's definitely not in a full continental grip, his knuckles are more straight than that and higher up on the handle. -Ian
Can we add that 50% of the battle is footwork, and getting into position. Then the rest comes into play.
To me what's odd is he closes the face on the backswing for the forehand, but on his backhand he OPENS the face on the backswing. Shouldn't it also be closed on the backswing of the backhand?
To be honest that's something I've always wondered about the one hander as well, Ted. I haven't come across the answer yet. -Ian
More topspin is desired with the forehand swing hence closing on the follow thru. Fed has virtually no topspin on his backhand so it stays open with power
Hi.
Was wondering why everyone just cover single handed backhand of federer, wawrinka etc and not cover more beautiful backhand like Gustavo Kuerten, Justine Henin, Kohlscreiber etc. They r genuinely better and effective as well.
one point
watch the left hand only
look at the distance between his feet
ruclips.net/video/wKxr12VTxIg/видео.html
Pedagogical tip - since you say you are iso a holistic view, you don't actually show full swings from these angles. Not every learning style absorbs a swing segment breakdown with chatter that you are presenting. I will say your voice over commentary is full of great info but, again, not every learning style absorbs segmented training.
the left hand key
form not important
loop not important that changes constantly
''''''how can we ask more'?????
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Tennis is more Visual than Talk .
Missing two most important elements
takeback not imprtant followthrough not important only contact zone
they dont care about turning sideways no
his grip is so confusing
It is a little bit different, Basel. His base knuckle is up above continental, but his hand isn't straight across the grip like a lot of modern one handed players. Kind of a hybrid. -Ian
Let's say there's an angle between hand palm and racquet. In my observation, modern backhand like Wawrinka's, Gasquet's, Thiem's, the angle is larger than Fed's (I mean it's closer to right angle than Federer's). Federer's grip is more straight. You can feel the grip when holding the racquet, then someone pulls the racquet and you pull it back. Pretty similar to pulling the rope. Certainly depending on shots, his grip changes a bit.
And I believe that's the reason why Federer's BH is less spin than others' modern BH, because the racquet doesn't whip the ball as much. I tested those grips myself and Federer's way of hitting BH is the easiest to learn for me :D. One big advantage from modern grip is players can hit in open stance with full power easier. Federer's BH rarely can do that unless in closed stance.
Estern backhand grip I believe he has
@@EssentialTennis so basically is he between continental and eastern backhand? Like in between bevel 1 n 2?
@@jonathanchen1026 think his index knuckle is on bevel 1
He's got a beer gut. (7:57) Could be why his court coverage is poor.
Why would you copy someone else's style or format? That never works, otherwise everyone would have become RF by now. You should find to try your own style with optimized body mechanics as much as you can. I really doubt the effectiveness of such videos.
Your pronunciation:-( Europeans can barely understand that!
Could have been a good video but you kept cutting to yourself while explaining. Kind of defeats the purpose of showing the videos