@@DylanJamesGP no I don’t think so. The influence of Indycar on European Grand Prix Racing is negligible. Only in the mid sixties Europe started to even mildly care about it when Colin Chapman was invited over by Dan Gurney to watch his first Indy 500 and then start with the first rear engine Lotus in 1963 in a field full Roadsters, all with front mounted Offenhauser 4 cylinder engines. That’s why I am asking my questions that specific. But I guess the scope of this video is more on entertainment than historical accuracy, since I guess you can’t cite any sources for what you say. It’s still a great video for the average viewer and I absolutely enjoyed watching it. As someone who is an automotive engineer and involved in international racing research I just wanted to clarify some statements. It’s absolutely not to rip apart your Video, like I said you did a great job in such a super short video to explain the indycar history broadly. It’s just a bit questionable to state that the cars at the Indianapolis really influenced the Grand Prix racing that took place in Central Europe. The Indy 500 even was an event at the calendar of the Grand Prix world championship, you could race at indy and count it towards your F1 championship. No driver ever did it until Chapman went over, or even attended a single indy race at the grandstands. I guess this should clarify how the European crowd looked down on indycar racing. They saw it as a group of daredevils without any racking skills at all driving in circles at an circus like events. It was about the show, not the racing. A very despised thought under European race car drivers, who really “lived to race” and their whole identity was driving racecars on real racetracks. The only somewhat accepted oval was Monza and even that was looked down on by many drivers as a gimmick that serves no purpose but being to dangerous.
A little correction: The 1970 dirt/asphalt split did not lead to what's known now as sprint cars - those already existed at the time. That split led to the creation of what's now known as the USAC Silver Crown series.
It's hard to keep up with stateside too, there was the quasi-split where they just ran the Indy 500 under a different sanction, but they played well together so the fans didn't really care too much.. those were not considered the 'dark days'.
Worth mentioning that it wasn't just F1 that occupies the hole left by IndyCar after the split. Here in the states, the split was happening just as NASCAR was experiencing something of a golden age, and it's still the biggest motorsport in this country by a long shot as a result.
@@robertmusgrave9236I think the reason for that is because while Nascar isn't perfect, they do know how to balance things on the driver, owner, and sanctioning body side of things, unlike Indycar whose main problem stems from too many egos clashing together
quite fascinating, I always wondered why NASCAR got so popular, but it seems other motorsports made it so easy. F1's embarrassing US GP in 2005, the IMSA split (which made the ALMS), IndyCar's split, WSC folded sometime in the 90s... am I missing anything. Plus NASCAR has a race almost every weekend
Very nice. I like how passionate you are about Indycar racing. As a resident of Indiana nothing beats going to the 500 in person and seeing a car rip through t1.
Bloomington here, Yes Indycars are amazing and cool to look at, even if they are at a car show or the airport. But seeing them at the speedway is like nothing else. But for that matter, the party the night before on Georgetown & 16th is also very unique.
@@jamesb_53 That track's really cool too, in fact - the 'kid' that mows my yard - races dirt late models there! While F1 aficionados might thumb their nose at dirt late models - I'm a big fan and that's where my childhood heros such as Johnny Rutherford and Bobby Unsers of the world got their start. That Kyle Larson 'kid' looks pretty rapid too.
Man am I glad that you’re back to making these videos. This is the type of content that will grow the series. If Indycar was smart they’d fly you out to the 500 with some media credentials.
You should talk about some of the greatest races in Indycar like Danny Sullivan's spin and win, the closest race finish in history or the Indy 500 we almost witnessed a rookie win only to crash in turn 4
Another good video. I discovered your channel not so long ago. I live in Poland and Indycar is my favorite racing series. Keep it up with that kind of videos. Cheers mate!
TG tried to save Indy 500 mile race and Indycar and did. Now, their are things to do and will be done. I'm a fan all my life, always as my Father was is in spirit now.
Thank you for making this, nicely done. This is a good introduction to those unfamiliar with the series. I do, however, need to offer some corrections. From 1965 through 1995, I missed attending only the '64 and '66 races at what was then known as the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and the race was the Indianapolis 500. IMS management made it very clear that the abbreviation "Indy" was never to be used in any publication or over the airwaves. I covered my first Indianapolis 500 in 1972 as a spots writer, and the next two races as a sports editor. Starting with the 1975 race I covered the races through 1995, then 2001-2003 as a photographer, and my photos were published around the world, including in Sports illustrated. During that time I covered many other series races as well as NASCAR, F1, sprint car, midget, sports cars and IHRA and NHRA drag races. The name IndyCar was never used to refer to the series or the cars until a year or two after ChampCar and the IRL united.
Sprint cars didn’t begin after USAC quit sanctioning dirt tracks for the Indy Car Championship. I appreciate your efforts but you might want to do a bit more research on sprint cars AND midgets. Keep up the good work. BTW I’m in the USA.
you should go to an Indycar race in the future ...you will always see the drivers just walking around amongst the fans its awesome and you can get an interview with them for your channel 👍
I'm from Indianapolis and when I was growing up, tv broadcasts of the race were forbidden in the Indianapolis area in order to keep the ticket purchases. People would instead host listening parties, like my Granny who prided herself on hosting at least one Pace Car driver and other Indy-related people at her parties. I doubt this happens anymore since anything can be streamed these days. The last party I can recall her having was in the late 80s.
Dylan I've been a Fan of IndyCar probably since 2009 but not Fulltime until a Year Later, hell I honestly thought it was F1 in the US with Ovals and IMS
If you want further information of how screwed up things were, and how IndyCar consistently stepped on the own dicks, list to Dinner With Racers, the Robin Miller episode. You are doing well, good to see new blood taking an interest.
I would imagine the massively increased popularity of F1 in the US (thanks largely to DTS) is going to push an increased interest in IndyCar. a lot of fans who tune into F1 don’t seem to understand that it is a constructor series and/or they don’t appreciate that aspect of it - and I can’t imagine somebody preferring F1 to IndyCar if they’re not into that side of it. I love F1. I love the racing, I love the cars, and I love that there is so much that goes into making a team and a driver successful, I love that it’s not a spec series, that different cars have different strengths and weaknesses, and how that makes a difference at various circuits, and in the hands of different drivers, and how the teams adapt the cars to different circuits and develop the cars as the season progresses. I don’t watch IndyCar nearly as much, but I do enjoy watching it because there is more close wheel to wheel racing, more battles, more overtaking - but I don’t find it as interesting because they’re all driving the same car that never changes (and yes, I do know that there are actually some differences between cars and they do have different set ups for different tracks, but it’s not the same as the differences you see in F1). So if a person is more interested in those battles and doesn’t really care about the technical developments, why on earth would they be watching F1 and not IndyCar? Tl;dr there are an awful lot of people watching F1 and whingeing about the lack of overtakes, etc., who should be very easy for IndyCar to win over if they can just get their attention for long enough.
I'm doing a school project about the history of American car racing and I'm also making a segment about Indycar. Would it be okay if I used this video and some others as sources for my information?
I know Indycar and people know. Al Unsner is the best driver. I see the Indy 500 mile race and the races. Indycar needs to race at Texas oval again. Indycar is over 100 years old.It started on dirt ovals by my home in California. Of course, the Indy 500.
It's the month of May again, time to get excited about The Brickyard again. I've got my checkered flag with the indy logo hanging out in front of the house for the month. I'm getting excited for Kyle Larson this year. He might be the best chance ever with a legit shot to win 'The Double'. Even McLaren have been able to get out of their own way recently, which is cause for optimism.
One of the words for Sting ray in Italian is razza which also means race. Hilariously it’s the other definition for race like ethnicity so his name doesn’t even mean what they wanted it to mean.
I want to go to the Indycar St.Louis race. I see if I can. I can or one day. I do want to go to Thermal Club races. I live by there. LBGP is Good. But, St.Louis race is on a oval track. Oval tracks and racing is the best by me and my Dad. He past away away Sad, Sad, I'm fixing somethings on the house he for me and my Mother and family. The house still, Good. I'm trying to get better improve. The house is older now.
Dylan, LOL I know you don't control this, But an ad for Peacock, of all things, interrupts your ENTIRE history of Indycar video. Before 2;00 of actual content - RUclips broke for an ad 🤣🤣🤣 You couldn't have produced this better, even if you had tried! Guess they are trying to keep it 'current'
@@DylanJamesGP No, No my friend - don't mis- undertake me. You have no context for Greg's sense of humor. This was me bitching about Indycar coverage in the US taking a commercial break within 3-10 laps of the green flag, that it was for Peacock just added insult to injury. That's what I meant about keeping it current...with current NBC Broadcast standards.
Not sure why the Michigan 500 start crash is seen as such a big deal to everyone... only because Fernandez screwed up the start. I remember watching the race that day and just thought... well what an idiot... and moved on :-D btw... We were watching CART over here in europe for the super racing and the drivers. IRL had nothing for us when the split happened.
At the start of this century, Eurosport aired every main motorsport event. I loved Champcar and IRL way way better than F1. Better tracks, more on track action. Everyone who is watching DTS think F1 is about the on going b**** fight between Wolff and Horner. Or the, kind of lame (trying to be provocing) attitude of Brown. I think no one has any real interest in watching a race. But there is a simple test for that: Ask if they can mention the driver who finished fourth, fifth of sixth. I think they would fail.... Too bad it is very hard in Europe to find any other Indycar race that is broadcasted live, other than the Indy 500.
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This may be a casual reminder that if it wasn't for IndyCar, racing wouldn't be what it is today
Exactly!!
Do you care to elaborate on that comment?
So you talk about general open car racing or specifically American open wheel racing ala Cart/Indycar?
@@rolux4853 the video more or less explains it no? 😂
@@DylanJamesGP no I don’t think so.
The influence of Indycar on European Grand Prix Racing is negligible.
Only in the mid sixties Europe started to even mildly care about it when Colin Chapman was invited over by Dan Gurney to watch his first Indy 500 and then start with the first rear engine Lotus in 1963 in a field full Roadsters, all with front mounted Offenhauser 4 cylinder engines.
That’s why I am asking my questions that specific.
But I guess the scope of this video is more on entertainment than historical accuracy, since I guess you can’t cite any sources for what you say.
It’s still a great video for the average viewer and I absolutely enjoyed watching it.
As someone who is an automotive engineer and involved in international racing research I just wanted to clarify some statements.
It’s absolutely not to rip apart your Video, like I said you did a great job in such a super short video to explain the indycar history broadly.
It’s just a bit questionable to state that the cars at the Indianapolis really influenced the Grand Prix racing that took place in Central Europe.
The Indy 500 even was an event at the calendar of the Grand Prix world championship, you could race at indy and count it towards your F1 championship.
No driver ever did it until Chapman went over, or even attended a single indy race at the grandstands.
I guess this should clarify how the European crowd looked down on indycar racing.
They saw it as a group of daredevils without any racking skills at all driving in circles at an circus like events.
It was about the show, not the racing.
A very despised thought under European race car drivers, who really “lived to race” and their whole identity was driving racecars on real racetracks.
The only somewhat accepted oval was Monza and even that was looked down on by many drivers as a gimmick that serves no purpose but being to dangerous.
@@DylanJamesGPYou explain it but it still started as a form of sportscar racing.two seater car.Sportscar racing is the oldest form of motorsports
A little correction: The 1970 dirt/asphalt split did not lead to what's known now as sprint cars - those already existed at the time. That split led to the creation of what's now known as the USAC Silver Crown series.
Ah right must have got that confused appreciate you pointing it out
It's hard to keep up with stateside too, there was the quasi-split where they just ran the Indy 500 under a different sanction, but they played well together so the fans didn't really care too much.. those were not considered the 'dark days'.
Sprint cars and Indy cars have a common ancestor in the 40s with the original wingless sprint cars
Worth mentioning that it wasn't just F1 that occupies the hole left by IndyCar after the split. Here in the states, the split was happening just as NASCAR was experiencing something of a golden age, and it's still the biggest motorsport in this country by a long shot as a result.
Despite nascar still going down in relevance after 2008.
@@robertmusgrave9236I think the reason for that is because while Nascar isn't perfect, they do know how to balance things on the driver, owner, and sanctioning body side of things, unlike Indycar whose main problem stems from too many egos clashing together
NASCAR had already surpassed CART in viewership long before the split.
quite fascinating, I always wondered why NASCAR got so popular, but it seems other motorsports made it so easy. F1's embarrassing US GP in 2005, the IMSA split (which made the ALMS), IndyCar's split, WSC folded sometime in the 90s... am I missing anything. Plus NASCAR has a race almost every weekend
@@joecarfilms8980 Ya all the stars just aligned for Nascar really
Very nice. I like how passionate you are about Indycar racing. As a resident of Indiana nothing beats going to the 500 in person and seeing a car rip through t1.
Thanks man! I'd give anything for that opportunity, would be amazing!
Bloomington here, Yes Indycars are amazing and cool to look at, even if they are at a car show or the airport. But seeing them at the speedway is like nothing else.
But for that matter, the party the night before on Georgetown & 16th is also very unique.
@@GregBrownsWorldORacing Y’all have my favorite track in the world down there in Bloomington!!
@@jamesb_53 That track's really cool too, in fact - the 'kid' that mows my yard - races dirt late models there! While F1 aficionados might thumb their nose at dirt late models - I'm a big fan and that's where my childhood heros such as Johnny Rutherford and Bobby Unsers of the world got their start. That Kyle Larson 'kid' looks pretty rapid too.
Man am I glad that you’re back to making these videos. This is the type of content that will grow the series. If Indycar was smart they’d fly you out to the 500 with some media credentials.
I'm trying so hard to get that happening! Fingers crossed I can make something work it's my dream!
You should talk about some of the greatest races in Indycar like Danny Sullivan's spin and win, the closest race finish in history or the Indy 500 we almost witnessed a rookie win only to crash in turn 4
Another good video. I discovered your channel not so long ago. I live in Poland and Indycar is my favorite racing series. Keep it up with that kind of videos. Cheers mate!
Cheers for the comment dude appreciate that massively!
Great to see you making videos about IndyCar again Dylan 😊 IndyCar always deserves the love!
Ah awesome to see you guys here!
@DylanJamesGP looking forward to seeing more of your videos again mate 😊
@@IndyFanatics thanks guys I'll have to get you on!
I started watching once Sky F1 started showing it, and haven't missed a race since.
I wish they had FE too.
Amazing stuff man!
Good luck to all the drivers and teams, owners sponsors, TV, fans and all.
TG tried to save Indy 500 mile race and Indycar and did. Now, their are things to do and will be done. I'm a fan all my life, always as my Father was is in spirit now.
Enjoyed your video ! This from a 60 year Indy car fan.
Appreciate that!
Thank you for making this, nicely done. This is a good introduction to those unfamiliar with the series. I do, however, need to offer some corrections. From 1965 through 1995, I missed attending only the '64 and '66 races at what was then known as the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and the race was the Indianapolis 500. IMS management made it very clear that the abbreviation "Indy" was never to be used in any publication or over the airwaves. I covered my first Indianapolis 500 in 1972 as a spots writer, and the next two races as a sports editor. Starting with the 1975 race I covered the races through 1995, then 2001-2003 as a photographer, and my photos were published around the world, including in Sports illustrated. During that time I covered many other series races as well as NASCAR, F1, sprint car, midget, sports cars and IHRA and NHRA drag races. The name IndyCar was never used to refer to the series or the cars until a year or two after ChampCar and the IRL united.
Sprint cars didn’t begin after USAC quit sanctioning dirt tracks for the Indy Car Championship. I appreciate your efforts but you might want to do a bit more research on sprint cars AND midgets. Keep up the good work. BTW I’m in the USA.
We love IndyCar! Thanks for posting more videos again.
No worries man!
you should go to an Indycar race in the future ...you will always see the drivers just walking around amongst the fans its awesome and you can get an interview with them for your channel 👍
That's the dream!
You ask a Nzer who an Indy car driver is, they'd probably say Scott Dixon. But thats cause he used to ne on the news heaps back in the day
Good luck to all the drivers and all in the 2024 season and beyond.
Amazing content mate! Keep it up
I'm from Indianapolis and when I was growing up, tv broadcasts of the race were forbidden in the Indianapolis area in order to keep the ticket purchases.
People would instead host listening parties, like my Granny who prided herself on hosting at least one Pace Car driver and other Indy-related people at her parties.
I doubt this happens anymore since anything can be streamed these days. The last party I can recall her having was in the late 80s.
Your dunking on Devlin DeFrancesco makes me feel much better about having to endure his position on Andretti for far too long.
So are you saying that IndyCar popularized the whole motorsport genres... Nascar, formula 1, rally, etc?
FIRE CONTENT 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks brotherrr
Not enough Sting Ray Robb if you ask me
Dylan I've been a Fan of IndyCar probably since 2009 but not Fulltime until a Year Later, hell I honestly thought it was F1 in the US with Ovals and IMS
Well here we are!!
The fact that more people know Lando Norris than Scott Dixon is just sad
If you want further information of how screwed up things were, and how IndyCar consistently stepped on the own dicks, list to Dinner With Racers, the Robin Miller episode. You are doing well, good to see new blood taking an interest.
Thanks man!
Sweet. Well done 🤝
One additional thing for NASCAR. Daytona is 2.5 miles long because they wanted to make it the same length as Indianapolis.
I would imagine the massively increased popularity of F1 in the US (thanks largely to DTS) is going to push an increased interest in IndyCar. a lot of fans who tune into F1 don’t seem to understand that it is a constructor series and/or they don’t appreciate that aspect of it - and I can’t imagine somebody preferring F1 to IndyCar if they’re not into that side of it.
I love F1. I love the racing, I love the cars, and I love that there is so much that goes into making a team and a driver successful, I love that it’s not a spec series, that different cars have different strengths and weaknesses, and how that makes a difference at various circuits, and in the hands of different drivers, and how the teams adapt the cars to different circuits and develop the cars as the season progresses.
I don’t watch IndyCar nearly as much, but I do enjoy watching it because there is more close wheel to wheel racing, more battles, more overtaking - but I don’t find it as interesting because they’re all driving the same car that never changes (and yes, I do know that there are actually some differences between cars and they do have different set ups for different tracks, but it’s not the same as the differences you see in F1). So if a person is more interested in those battles and doesn’t really care about the technical developments, why on earth would they be watching F1 and not IndyCar?
Tl;dr there are an awful lot of people watching F1 and whingeing about the lack of overtakes, etc., who should be very easy for IndyCar to win over if they can just get their attention for long enough.
I'm doing a school project about the history of American car racing and I'm also making a segment about Indycar. Would it be okay if I used this video and some others as sources for my information?
Yeah absolutely mate
No mention of roadsters or the offy?
I know Indycar and people know. Al Unsner is the best driver. I see the Indy 500 mile race and the races. Indycar needs to race at Texas oval again. Indycar is over 100 years old.It started on dirt ovals by my home in California. Of course, the Indy 500.
WHAT IS THIS EPIC SONG DAMN
Love the pay driver digs lol
Bring back Cart
It's the month of May again, time to get excited about The Brickyard again. I've got my checkered flag with the indy logo hanging out in front of the house for the month.
I'm getting excited for Kyle Larson this year. He might be the best chance ever with a legit shot to win 'The Double'. Even McLaren have been able to get out of their own way recently, which is cause for optimism.
My dude if you wanna sound like a true fan you have to pronounce it "You Sack" instead of "oo-Sack" great video none the less
Haha must be a British thing! I'll amend that going forward 100%!!
Good. Thanks.
Not "one of", race day at Indy is the largest sporting event by attendance.
One of the words for Sting ray in Italian is razza which also means race. Hilariously it’s the other definition for race like ethnicity so his name doesn’t even mean what they wanted it to mean.
I always assumed he was named "Sting Ray" after the Sting Ray Corvette.
I want to go to the Indycar St.Louis race. I see if I can. I can or one day. I do want to go to Thermal Club races. I live by there. LBGP is Good. But, St.Louis race is on a oval track. Oval tracks and racing is the best by me and my Dad. He past away away Sad, Sad, I'm fixing somethings on the house he for me and my Mother and family. The house still, Good. I'm trying to get better improve. The house is older now.
7 hours is still faster than Romain Grosjean. Oh wait....
Nah, Romain just crashes 85% of the way into the race.
@@omegafolf That’s why I went oh wait… But if Romain never arrived, technically I could go faster than him on foot
For a glossing through not bad. But there’s some details not quite correct
Dylan, LOL I know you don't control this, But an ad for Peacock, of all things, interrupts your ENTIRE history of Indycar video. Before 2;00 of actual content - RUclips broke for an ad 🤣🤣🤣 You couldn't have produced this better, even if you had tried! Guess they are trying to keep it 'current'
No way! That's really annoying, sorry that happened I didn't have any issues checking it! Glad you enjoyed the video though!
@@DylanJamesGP No, No my friend - don't mis- undertake me. You have no context for Greg's sense of humor. This was me bitching about Indycar coverage in the US taking a commercial break within 3-10 laps of the green flag, that it was for Peacock just added insult to injury. That's what I meant about keeping it current...with current NBC Broadcast standards.
Did you say F1 races open wheel cars b/c of Indy Car?
Yes IndyCar created the open wheel single seater
No single seater :)
Ray Harroun❤
When did Indy Car do this?
@@craigyirush3492 1911
No.. It's not one of the biggest single day sporting events.
It is. Period.
Notices you said 'here in Europe', are you european?
From the UK which is geologically in Europe haha
@@DylanJamesGP Me too, glad to see a brit talking about American motorsports
@@NoContextVideosChannel amazing;
Not sure why the Michigan 500 start crash is seen as such a big deal to everyone... only because Fernandez screwed up the start. I remember watching the race that day and just thought... well what an idiot... and moved on :-D btw... We were watching CART over here in europe for the super racing and the drivers. IRL had nothing for us when the split happened.
How's Roger Penske's Basement Dylan?>
Cold today he turned the heating off
@@DylanJamesGP Must be Budget Cuts
Awesome retort. 😁 Never let the haters bait you. @@DylanJamesGP
At the start of this century, Eurosport aired every main motorsport event. I loved Champcar and IRL way way better than F1. Better tracks, more on track action. Everyone who is watching DTS think F1 is about the on going b**** fight between Wolff and Horner. Or the, kind of lame (trying to be provocing) attitude of Brown. I think no one has any real interest in watching a race. But there is a simple test for that: Ask if they can mention the driver who finished fourth, fifth of sixth. I think they would fail.... Too bad it is very hard in Europe to find any other Indycar race that is broadcasted live, other than the Indy 500.
I was always a NASCAR fan but a while back ago I stopped . Now Indy car is my favorite. F1 sucks
I used to be mad for F1 and now cant stand it. Its too mainstream and too predictable. Its garbage! Indycar is way more entertaining
The last real Indy 500 winner was 1995 Jacques Villeneuve .
Lie from the start. It may be famous in the excited states, but world wide it is a zero.
You didn't watch the video then 😂
@@DylanJamesGP Why bother watching the video when one can troll with less effort 🤣