At that time I loved Johnny. I was young then and didn’t know about the drugs. His music was what blew me away. I still listen and care for his music and memory.
From 74 to 78 , Johnny Thunders was the most exciting thing in rock'n'roll.Nobody played guitar like him.But after 78,he losed his guitar style.No more finger vibrato,no more relatively complex guitar part(I mean,try to learn exactly what he played in New York Dolls songs,or even Heartbreakers stuff,),no more creativity in his soloing (always the same tremolo picking that he never losed) Why?The answer is heroin. When he was living in Paris,France,In cold blood /acoustic album times,he was signed to a French label.The director of this label said that Johnny was coming everyday juste to have his royalties.Day by day!
Oliver Kalamata hahah i was going to say the say thing almost word for word. Every time i find a new video on h8m, i feel like i figure out another missing puzzle piece.
@@ronthunders6124Yeah, it's great to find missing pieces of the puzzle. I love these insider stories about Thunders behind his pics on Google, it gives you a lot of insight.
I've been looking everywhere for LAMF REVISITED & DTK ON CD because I bought it as soon as they came out on vinyl which I never listen to these days due to crap record player. But last night I realised I've all ready bloody got it in the box set YOU CANT PUT YOUR ARMS AROUND A MEMORY 3 DISC BOX. DUH! :-)
This is an excellent interview. Although a bit too much focus on the drug use and not enough on Thunders, Lure and Nolan as they were a great band and a ton of fun! Live at Max's KC captures them at their best; both the music and interaction by Thunders. Lure is fantastic on many of their best songs
@Tyler Mod I thought Jerry Nolan was a great drummer but liked Ty Stix on Max's album. I'm not a musician; just a fan and tend to like all Heartbreakers; even the ones not played too good.
@@brookedelarco730 Very cool and thanks for the great work you did. That record captured the punk scene better than any I ever listened to. Great memories
Yeah, that's a great one! And Hollywood Babylon at the Roxy in LA '87 or Stations Of The Cross, live at the Mudd Club, NY '82, etc. Glad that so many people loved and recorded his music, there's a wealth of his live music on the internet these days, love it.
There are billions of people in the world with their own opinions and Alice Coopers opinion is just one of them. I’m American and that’s not my view on things. When I look at Johnny I see pure talent and sadness of his addiction as well. I’ve lost friends because of that drug and I in no way enjoy seeing anyone involved with it. RIP Johnny Thunders🤘🏻
Peter Crowley says get LAMF The lost 77' mixes. I disagree. That still sounds muddy too. LAMF REVISITED 1984 remixed by Thunders and Tony James is the one to go for. The track order have been totally rearranged. Features left out overdubs. Includes the single's b. Sides and is as clear as Nevermind the Bollocks.. It omits All by Myself tho. But the b sides make up for it. You can get both LAMF REVISIED & DTK as a double cd. It's all you need by the Heartbreakers apart from the Down To Kill demo album and Yonkers also early demos with Richard Hell.
Never knew what shooting heroine was until I saw Johnny starting to do it in the upstairs linen closet at Max’s! I never did it myself ugh We were in there do do blow with my friend K lol then I said “so that’s how all these spoons get burned in here” there were lots of unusable burnt spoon all over the place! He said “I pay for these spoons every time I play here” that was the end of that! Those were the days, RIP
I didn't know people called LAMF REVISITED the pop 80's mix version. Why? because its raw rock'n' roll as clear as a bell. How Never mind the Bollocks sounded. I never noticed they'd put Billy Rath's bass in the background either. The album kicks off with One Track Mind that has a totally different drum intro than all the other versions. I don't think there was drum machines around then that could replicate Jerry Nolan. And I wanna be Loved has the extra overdubbed guitar on the end and is extended. It just great. It was a breath of fresh air hearing the remixed version because my original 77' vinyl sounded so bad no matter what I did with the bass and treble knobs. It sounded to me like it had a lot of fluff on the needle. Who remembers that happening a lot back in good ole days of vinyl. That pressing plant that screwed up the album should have been taken to court for destroying a band and their careers. Silly bastard amateurs. Which pressing plant was it anyway?
If he'd thrown away his life, he wouldn't be as famous as he is now. As a drug user he had enough responsibility to do these gigs for around 20 years..
As far as I know and I followed the Heartbreakers closely in the late '70's and '80s; Paul Cook never played with them. He went from the Pistols to the Professionals with Steve Jones and then drifted off for a while in the '80's and came back in the 1990's.
@PelicanBones They all had a lot of fun and it makes sense that they were all friends and if JT and Lure wanted to do a show and Nolan wasn't around and Paul Cook was out partying, that they'd snag Cook and do a show. Walter Lure and Billy Rath were always talking about how they needed rent money, so they'd do end of the month shows. Paul Cook was a good drummer and him and Steve Jones put out some real good music as The Professionals.
@PelicanBones The live album of Heartbreakers at the Speakeasy was from a 1977 show when they had their line up with Thunders, Lure, Rath and Nolan. That one was released on LP in 1982. I don't know if there is any live at Speakeasy recordings after Jerry Nolan left. That would be cool if there is a live recording of Paul Cook playing with them
What he says about followers idolizing his dancing along the knife edge of junkie death is totally true. The double billing of Johnny Thunders and Suicide at that club off of 14th Street - Irving Plaza - is a case in point...
I bought both the same day in hmv London in 1982. DTK captured them at their peak as LAMF should have sounded like. LIVE AT MAX was nowhere near as powerful because Jerry Nolan wasn't on it. They had a stand in replacement drummer called Ty Stix who sounded lame and wasn't half as good as Nolan so the songs sound weak. The songs sound weak. They play well but live at Max is a classic example of what a good drummer can to to a band. I never listen to Live At Max's because of this because otherwise it could have been one hell of a good album. Whatever happened to Ty Stix anyway. Who did he originally play for?
I know original Clash drummer Terry Chimes replaced Jerry Nolan after the LAMF dispute and they sounded like the Clash. You can hear him on Vive le Revolution but I never heard how they sounded with Sex Pistols' Paul Cook on drums. Except on Thunders' solo album So Alone where they sounded like the Sex Pistols. Their London Boys sounds miles better than the Heartbreakers' version.
@@twistedspanner ty joined a religious cult, did work for room and board, went back to drugs and lived on the street, died in the 90s, likely due to his issues with drugs.
Since Simon played with Johny some, we have lots of live recordings......I always wonder, he was so irreverent, funny, and insulting,...... so not politically correct, if he would have toned down at all. I doubt it!
Walter Lure said Thunders only started insulting the audience after they went to England and saw Johnny Rotten get away with it. So he started slagging off the crows later. By the way in the Jerry Nolan book Stranded in the Jungle author Curt Weizz stated that everyone on the Anarchy tour bus got alone fine except for Johnny Thunders and Johnny Rotten. I wonder why. Oh yeah. Rotten wrote New York a song slagging off the Dolls cos he was sick of listening to Malcolm McLaren going on about the New York scene and the Dolls. The other Pistols members loved the Dolls but Rotten didn't. Musically he didn't have much in common with the others.
It makes perfect sense that Johnny and Johnny wouldn't get along! London Boys is the the Heartbreakers answer to The Sex Pistols slagging the Dolls. Even if Johnny got the idea from Lydon, he was a master at it!
On Live at Max 's Thunders dedicates 'London' to Joe Bummer :-) What's even more funny is on his So Alone version he's got two Sex Pistols members playing on a song that's slagging them off. Or is he just slagging Rotten off. Cos Cook & Jones at that time also hated Rotten. I wonder did Cook and Jones know at the time what the song was about. the Pistols or just Rotten?
I often wondered why Cook and Jones played on a track that slagged their own band off. But if you listen to the lyrics it's about one person. who must be Rotten. At that time Cook and Jones hated Rotten too cos they bailed on him and Sid in San Fransisco and fucked off to Rio. So it would have made sencwe for them to do the song nut when Thnders sings just before the lead he shouts "And I'm talkin' about the whole lota ya" Did he mean Cook and Jones?
Extremely talented singer / songwriter? Ya know .. I grew up in NYC .. still reside here and was a fixture on the lower east side during these tumultuous. Thunders had a modicum of talent but to make him out to be some misguided "extremely talented" individual is a subjective perception that tantamount to the "King's new clothes". he wasn't all that sorry to say
I agree. Thunders was great. Had great stage charisma and had great potential to be successful when he teamed up with Cook and Jones from the Pistols but he screwed that up by running off with money after gigs and I'm the star here. In Danny Garcia's movie Looking for Johnny Sylvain Sylvain says right at the beginning of the move " I think Johnny Thunders was the greatest songwriter that ever lived" Bollocks was he. That is a load of old tosh which should have ended up on the cutting room floor. That puts me off the movie everytime I watch it because he clearly wasn't. There are thousands out there who were better than him who I wont even bother to mention. I grew up loving Thunders. LAMF & SO ALONE were the soundtracks to my youth but he tried to copy his hero Keith Richards by becoming a smackhead before he got famous. I preferred him to Richards but was nowhere near a prolific songwriter. Que Sera Sera came out 7 years after his debut solo album. He should have done it in 1979 not 1985. He had many chances and he blew it. Shame that people didn't catch onto Johnny Thunders back in his prime instead of after his death.
I love Johnny Thunders because he wrote brutally honest songs. Beautiful love songs, and man that guitar style.
At that time I loved Johnny. I was young then and didn’t know about the drugs. His music was what blew me away. I still listen and care for his music and memory.
I love LAMF I have an original copy from 78, such a great bunch of songs
These are great interviews. I'm always interested in hearing more about Thunders, especially from the people who knew him best.
Yeah, me too. I love to look for insider stories about Thunders by searching behind his pics on Google, I read some great things about him that way.
From 74 to 78 , Johnny Thunders was the most exciting thing in rock'n'roll.Nobody played guitar like him.But after 78,he losed his guitar style.No more finger vibrato,no more relatively complex guitar part(I mean,try to learn exactly what he played in New York Dolls songs,or even Heartbreakers stuff,),no more creativity in his soloing (always the same tremolo picking that he never losed)
Why?The answer is heroin.
When he was living in Paris,France,In cold blood /acoustic album times,he was signed to a French label.The director of this label said that Johnny was coming everyday juste to have his royalties.Day by day!
It don't work that way...fool
@@user-vp3nt4cy5q Okay,maybe I'm wrong on something.So please let me know.But why talking like if the punk police would be still there?
@@johnvolume3384 because your out here painting pictures
Royalties statements come like every year or six months not every day
Anything new that's Thunders related is a gem to me! 👍😎
Oliver Kalamata hahah i was going to say the say thing almost word for word. Every time i find a new video on h8m, i feel like i figure out another missing puzzle piece.
@@ronthunders6124Yeah, it's great to find missing pieces of the puzzle. I love these insider stories about Thunders behind his pics on Google, it gives you a lot of insight.
In the 90’s there was a bar in Whitestone Queens opened by Johnny’s sister called - “Johnny’s Place”.
Great interview!!
wow .... well done, Peter Crowley xoxo
Elvira Brown He knew John very well for many years
Decades
I've been looking everywhere for LAMF REVISITED & DTK ON CD because I bought it as soon as they came out on vinyl which I never listen to these days due to crap record player. But last night I realised I've all ready bloody got it in the box set YOU CANT PUT YOUR ARMS AROUND A MEMORY 3 DISC BOX. DUH! :-)
This is an excellent interview. Although a bit too much focus on the drug use and not enough on Thunders, Lure and Nolan as they were a great band and a ton of fun! Live at Max's KC captures them at their best; both the music and interaction by Thunders. Lure is fantastic on many of their best songs
@Tyler Mod Maybe he recommends Live at Max's because he likes it better. I know I do
@Tyler Mod I thought Jerry Nolan was a great drummer but liked Ty Stix on Max's album. I'm not a musician; just a fan and tend to like all Heartbreakers; even the ones not played too good.
@@888strummer Peter wasn't even there when Live at Max's was recorded...I did the live mix.
@@brookedelarco730 Very cool and thanks for the great work you did. That record captured the punk scene better than any I ever listened to. Great memories
Johnny is the reason I never did H. Thank you Johnny.
“It was the 70’s”
He just had a sad, sad charisma wrapped around a memory.
You want the live JT’s album Belfast rocks it’s rocking, johnnys guitar 🎸 playing is on fire 🔥
Yeah, that's a great one! And Hollywood Babylon at the Roxy in LA '87 or Stations Of The Cross, live at the Mudd Club, NY '82, etc. Glad that so many people loved and recorded his music, there's a wealth of his live music on the internet these days, love it.
Genzale!!! 💔🤟✌️👌👍
P>C is awsome
There are billions of people in the world with their own opinions and Alice Coopers opinion is just one of them. I’m American and that’s not my view on things. When I look at Johnny I see pure talent and sadness of his addiction as well. I’ve lost friends because of that drug and I in no way enjoy seeing anyone involved with it. RIP Johnny Thunders🤘🏻
I'm into Johnny thunders Talent not his drug use
I agree.
Grinder Man lmao 😂
Imagine what he would have been without the drugs?
@@annamarie8168 Still living and not nearly as interesting. People are gravitated toward the tragic figure.
The Jerk isn’t that ridiculously tragic? How boring of people 🙄
i love the pop mix of L.A.M.F. known as revisited
Peter Crowley says get LAMF The lost 77' mixes. I disagree. That still sounds muddy too. LAMF REVISITED 1984 remixed by Thunders and Tony James is the one to go for. The track order have been totally rearranged. Features left out overdubs. Includes the single's b. Sides and is as clear as Nevermind the Bollocks.. It omits All by Myself tho. But the b sides make up for it. You can get both LAMF REVISIED & DTK as a double cd. It's all you need by the Heartbreakers apart from the Down To Kill demo album and Yonkers also early demos with Richard Hell.
I kinda like SID VICIOUS CD THAT WAS LIVE A MAX'S.
D.T.K L.A.M.F
i wish these would all be added to that dvd-the good one not that first one
Poor Johnny
'Live at the village gate 77' that's the Heartbreakers CD you need to get. At their absolute peak and great sounding mix.
Thank Y0u! I recorded and mixed it!
Never knew what shooting heroine was until I saw Johnny starting to do it in the upstairs linen closet at Max’s! I never did it myself ugh We were in there do do blow with my friend K lol then I said “so that’s how all these spoons get burned in here” there were lots of unusable burnt spoon all over the place! He said “I pay for these spoons every time I play here” that was the end of that! Those were the days, RIP
Johnny thunders was a junkie but I hate that he is mostly remembered for that i understand why but I don't like it the dude was talented for sure
I didn't know people called LAMF REVISITED the pop 80's mix version. Why? because its raw rock'n' roll as clear as a bell. How Never mind the Bollocks sounded. I never noticed they'd put Billy Rath's bass in the background either. The album kicks off with One Track Mind that has a totally different drum intro than all the other versions. I don't think there was drum machines around then that could replicate Jerry Nolan. And I wanna be Loved has the extra overdubbed guitar on the end and is extended. It just great. It was a breath of fresh air hearing the remixed version because my original 77' vinyl sounded so bad no matter what I did with the bass and treble knobs. It sounded to me like it had a lot of fluff on the needle. Who remembers that happening a lot back in good ole days of vinyl. That pressing plant that screwed up the album should have been taken to court for destroying a band and their careers. Silly bastard amateurs. Which pressing plant was it anyway?
He did it the way he did it. Why judge?
Just have a buzz-cut!
If he'd thrown away his life, he wouldn't be as famous as he is now. As a drug user he had enough responsibility to do these gigs for around 20 years..
Is there any recordings of the Heartbreakers with Paul Cook on Drums. I've heard that he was one of the drummer that helped out when Jerry left?
As far as I know and I followed the Heartbreakers closely in the late '70's and '80s; Paul Cook never played with them. He went from the Pistols to the Professionals with Steve Jones and then drifted off for a while in the '80's and came back in the 1990's.
@PelicanBones That was Johnny doing a gig with Jones, Sis Vicious and Cook, but without Heartbreakers Walter Lure, Jerry Nolan and Billy Rath
@PelicanBones They all had a lot of fun and it makes sense that they were all friends and if JT and Lure wanted to do a show and Nolan wasn't around and Paul Cook was out partying, that they'd snag Cook and do a show. Walter Lure and Billy Rath were always talking about how they needed rent money, so they'd do end of the month shows. Paul Cook was a good drummer and him and Steve Jones put out some real good music as The Professionals.
@PelicanBones The live album of Heartbreakers at the Speakeasy was from a 1977 show when they had their line up with Thunders, Lure, Rath and Nolan. That one was released on LP in 1982. I don't know if there is any live at Speakeasy recordings after Jerry Nolan left. That would be cool if there is a live recording of Paul Cook playing with them
TY STIX was on the recording
He filled in for Nolan a few times
Why does the interviewer sound like he's in the next room???
What he says about followers idolizing his dancing along the knife edge of junkie death is totally true. The double billing of Johnny Thunders and Suicide at that club off of 14th Street - Irving Plaza - is a case in point...
they were friendly, thats why they played together
what??
To the point.
L.A.M.F.
GG
He was the Dean Martin of heroin.
Live at Speakeasy 1977 way better than Maxs!
Charles Hall yes.. Speakeasy Mr Nolan on drums.
I bought both the same day in hmv London in 1982. DTK captured them at their peak as LAMF should have sounded like. LIVE AT MAX was nowhere near as powerful because Jerry Nolan wasn't on it. They had a stand in replacement drummer called Ty Stix who sounded lame and wasn't half as good as Nolan so the songs sound weak. The songs sound weak. They play well but live at Max is a classic example of what a good drummer can to to a band. I never listen to Live At Max's because of this because otherwise it could have been one hell of a good album. Whatever happened to Ty Stix anyway. Who did he originally play for?
twistedspanner I'll agree total. Everything you write about these records. Drummer Ty just doing his job...
I know original Clash drummer Terry Chimes replaced Jerry Nolan after the LAMF dispute and they sounded like the Clash. You can hear him on Vive le Revolution but I never heard how they sounded with Sex Pistols' Paul Cook on drums. Except on Thunders' solo album So Alone where they sounded like the Sex Pistols. Their London Boys sounds miles better than the Heartbreakers' version.
@@twistedspanner ty joined a religious cult, did work for room and board, went back to drugs and lived on the street, died in the 90s, likely due to his issues with drugs.
Jonny thunders was very crasy is this true
This is what Keef influenced. Still sexy?
Yes.
You bet, both of them
These questions...seriously ? Pathetic !
Creepy shit
Anti-hero interviewer, anti-hero.
This interviewer must be American at heart - he has a morbid curiosity for Johnny’s drug addiction = death
Since Simon played with Johny some, we have lots of live recordings......I always wonder, he was so irreverent, funny, and insulting,...... so not politically correct, if he would have toned down at all. I doubt it!
Walter Lure said Thunders only started insulting the audience after they went to England and saw Johnny Rotten get away with it. So he started slagging off the crows later. By the way in the Jerry Nolan book Stranded in the Jungle author Curt Weizz stated that everyone on the Anarchy tour bus got alone fine except for Johnny Thunders and Johnny Rotten. I wonder why. Oh yeah. Rotten wrote New York a song slagging off the Dolls cos he was sick of listening to Malcolm McLaren going on about the New York scene and the Dolls. The other Pistols members loved the Dolls but Rotten didn't. Musically he didn't have much in common with the others.
It makes perfect sense that Johnny and Johnny wouldn't get along! London Boys is the the Heartbreakers answer to The Sex Pistols slagging the Dolls. Even if Johnny got the idea from Lydon, he was a master at it!
On Live at Max 's Thunders dedicates 'London' to Joe Bummer :-) What's even more funny is on his So Alone version he's got two Sex Pistols members playing on a song that's slagging them off. Or is he just slagging Rotten off. Cos Cook & Jones at that time also hated Rotten. I wonder did Cook and Jones know at the time what the song was about. the Pistols or just Rotten?
I often wondered why Cook and Jones played on a track that slagged their own band off. But if you listen to the lyrics it's about one person. who must be Rotten. At that time Cook and Jones hated Rotten too cos they bailed on him and Sid in San Fransisco and fucked off to Rio. So it would have made sencwe for them to do the song nut when Thnders sings just before the lead he shouts "And I'm talkin' about the whole lota ya" Did he mean Cook and Jones?
Sex. Death. Money.
Extremely talented singer / songwriter? Ya know .. I grew up in NYC .. still reside here and was a fixture on the lower east side during these tumultuous. Thunders had a modicum of talent but to make him out to be some misguided "extremely talented" individual is a subjective perception that tantamount to the "King's new clothes". he wasn't all that sorry to say
I agree. Thunders was great. Had great stage charisma and had great potential to be successful when he teamed up with Cook and Jones from the Pistols but he screwed that up by running off with money after gigs and I'm the star here. In Danny Garcia's movie Looking for Johnny Sylvain Sylvain says right at the beginning of the move " I think Johnny Thunders was the greatest songwriter that ever lived" Bollocks was he. That is a load of old tosh which should have ended up on the cutting room floor. That puts me off the movie everytime I watch it because he clearly wasn't. There are thousands out there who were better than him who I wont even bother to mention. I grew up loving Thunders. LAMF & SO ALONE were the soundtracks to my youth but he tried to copy his hero Keith Richards by becoming a smackhead before he got famous. I preferred him to Richards but was nowhere near a prolific songwriter. Que Sera Sera came out 7 years after his debut solo album. He should have done it in 1979 not 1985. He had many chances and he blew it. Shame that people didn't catch onto Johnny Thunders back in his prime instead of after his death.