Nobody knows this cult exists
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- I wanted to do this video for years. Right now I have the courage, I might delete this later.
Growing up in an abusive, misogynistic and homophobic cult as a sensitive, bisexual woman, there were a lot of things I always felt were wrong. But they were so normalised in the church culture that I thought I was the problem. Now, 8 years after leaving, I am finally breaking the silence about the disturbing practices happening behind the church's walls.
00:00 Intro
00:52 Background information on the cult
01:25 Evangelisation services that spread fear
02:28 Rules that keep you in the church
03:32 Rules that keep you isolated from “the world”
06:51 Rules on appearance, s*xualisation from a young age
08:53 Rules on s*x & dating (purity culture)
09:44 Marriage rules & non-consensual s*x
12:03 Abstinence-only policy, LGBTQ+ issues
12:51 No contraception / forced births
14:16 Child abuse - physical “discipline”
15:16 Sexism & traditional roles for men vs. women
17:18 Justification for the rules
17:55 No privacy, every detail shared with everyone
19:55 Funny rules that show how s*x-obsessed the rule-makers are
21:43 Outro
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The background picture from the Thumbnail is a random church in the Network, not the one I grew up in. I got the picture from here: www.come-on.de/volmetal/kiers...
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In this video, I share my personal experiences growing up in the mostly unknown religious community that can be classified as a cult or sect: The Brüder-Baptistengemeinde in Germany, a German-Russian Baptist church. I’ve wanted to make this video for years but was too scared, since so much of my personal history is connected to this cult and I still have many people I love in there.
Nonetheless, I feel it's important to expose the disturbing truths that happen behind closed doors. From child abuse and marital r*pe to the severe oppression of women and many bizarre and oppressive rules related to purity culture, I lay bare some dark realities of life in this cult.
I do not want to offend anyone’s religious beliefs or speak against Christians or Baptists per se. That is not my intention at all. While I focus on the negative aspects in this video, I admit that the religion also brought many good experiences.
But there were also a lot of negative experiences, connected to the rules that I describe in this video. And just because people willingly follow these rules, it does not make the rules okay: People would follow anything if they were strongly convinced not following it would lead to eternal damnation!!!
Okay, I’ll end my rant here. Please share and comment if you have any similar experiences or if this video resonates with you in any way. (Also, probably no one reads this until the end, but if you have, let me know by commenting this emoji: 🙈)
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Thanks for sharing this. I was also in an invisible cult from age 17 to 27. They are very present in college dorms, appearing like normal christian college groups, but then once you’re “saved” they begin to take over your life and start to control every decision you make. I had to run away with a single bag of my belongings. It was very hard. I still have nightmares 15 years later.
What group is that?
@@sirvaniss if someone has to run away with nothing more as his belongings in a bag it's obvious he won't tell the name because of threat.
ask him person to person and he will tell it to you.
@@sirvaniss sounds like something related to the Shepherding movement
This legit almost made me cry, This is so disgusting, I almost can't believe this type of stuff actually exist. You are so strong for doing this you amazing and wonderful person, if I had experienced something like that, I don't think I would ever have the courage to speak about it.
Yeah I had soo much anxiety about posting it and expected to get much hate, especially from other Christians that may try to justify this. Now waking up to these beautiful comments almost made me cry! ❤️ I feel like you all are my kind of people - also sensitive enough to find this horrible
@@angelineblue Do you still believe in God and Jesus or what do you believe. I believe in spirituality and don't really see My self as religious any more.?
it's a must to bring it to the surface it's to compare to a traumatized it must come to the light, else you can't rest (in fact it is a trauma as effect of a mass psychosis)
i assume you would act similar each in his manner, since my back and forth converting was before the big bang (web), i haven't this possibility to share my experiences there but from friend to firend which is in the end more important if that is religious sects or conspiracy theories.
in the web we can meet to get inspired or pick up a good argument.
@@MingenProject I would say that I believe that something bigger exists and I do pray to Jesus, but yes I no longer see myself as religious, more so spiritual
OP, seriously, you need to toughen up. People like you are not someone I'd find worthy of protecting children. You'd crumble with ease, sheesh.
I grew up in a very traditional Baptist community in the US as a child. Went to Baptist school, chapel, Wednesday services, 2-3 services on Sundays etc. We had most of these same rules or something similar so I can relate to what you are talking about! I'm 20 years out and it does get better though it isn't easy. Please take care. ❤
That sounds hard, especially if you had the same programming from school! Yeah I totally understand, it takes a lot of time to mentally recover from that… Thanks for your encouragement, sending love! 💕
What kind of Baptist? I go to a Southern Baptist church where we have a morning Sunday service, no evening Sunday service, a Wednesday evening class that not many people attend, and most of our kids and teens go to public schools. Church is not meant to dominate our lives.
Please don’t delete this video ❤️. I find you so strong and courageous for speaking your/the truth like this, people need to be made aware of cults and their negativity/destruction and you’re doing an excellent job!
Thank you so much for your encouragement! 🩷 It definitely takes a lot of courage for me, but you are right it is very important to raise awareness so I’ll do my best to not listen to my fears. All these encouraging comments definitely help a lot, hearing that so many people resonate with it definitely makes it worthwhile!!!
go girliepop! I'm strapped in about to watch this but I just want to say right off the bat: I'm glad you got out. I'm glad you're here today, and I'm really grateful that you are sharing your story. Only with people like you being strong can we hope to understand and help those in cults and those leaving cults.
Haha thank you🥰 Really appreciate your kind words, enjoy watching!
Thank you for sharing your story! @CultstoConsciousness I would love to see you dive into this organization!
Ooooh I love @CultstoConsciousness, thank you for tagging them! :)
Agree! Please have her on shelise! @cultstoconsciousness
I had the same thought
Ditto.
I’m glad I read the comments as I was struggling to find a mindful way to mention @CultstoConsciousness. The more awareness we can bring to cults especially ones that go undetected the better. Hope to hear your story one day!
I met a girl in my country who escaped this cult 15+ years ago and got adopted by a British family. She told us about being locked in a cupboard and fed gruel (oats and water) for minor things like forgetting to make her bed or tuck in her clothes. I imagine there was worse she didn’t tell us
what that sounds horrible!
I don’t like this side diss towards gruel, manna from the heavens and the backbone of a healthy breakfast 🫶
@@RipleysReasons she was given a very lengthy “Christian” name but she went by a shortened version of it, she ended up not being a very nice person to hang out with but I believe she was telling the truth
really horrible hearing about the married women who lose their love for life after being forced into marriage :/ im so glad you’re out
Yeah :/ Me too!
Ich habe großen Respekt, dass du deine Geschichte teilst. Ich habe tatsächlich mal von dem Kult gehört, da laut Gerüchten ein entfernter Bekannter Mitglied ist und ich bin schockiert.
Deine Aufklärungsarbeit ist so wichtig. Ich wünsche dir noch viel Kraft auf deinem weiteren Weg
Vielen vielen Dank für deinen Support und die aufbauenden Worte, das bedeutet mir echt viel! 🩷
@@angelineblue gesundheit (du hattest grad geniesst), 👍 es ist gut und wichtig dass man sowas teilt, du siehst ja das echo hier.
really appreciate your presenting this detailed overview in English! sounds like a really tough way to grow up-so glad for you that you were able to get out and become the brave, intelligent adult you are today.
Thank you so much for your comment, I really appreciate it!
Thank you for talking about this, You are very strong for doing this and for leaving, it takes so much strength, You are truly amazing
I was raised with in ILBP and hearing someone else say everything I'm feeling is so eye opening. Thank you for sharing your story. Our church was also similar about the beatings, so I do understand your pain.
I am so glad it resonated so deeply with you and that I could put into words how you are feeling about these things! I am really really sorry you also went through that. Hope you are doing better and are healing from that now, sending much love! 🩷 🩷 🩷
This is absolutely horrible, I’m so glad that you left it. I believe it must’ve been very difficult. I really liked your video and I hope you’ll make more videos on this topic, it was really interesting! Hope you’re doing much better now.
Thank you for your compassion. You're right, it was very difficult. Reading your comment is incredibly encouraging! I'm currently planning a video about my journey of getting out. It's been 8 years since I left, and while deconstructing everything that happened takes time, I'm doing so much better now. Thank you for your support! 💕
wow this is really horrid, im so sorry you had to go through that. you’re glowing now 🫶 very interesting video, thank you for sharing.
Thank you very much for your empathy! ❤️
Thank you very much for sharing this! The topic of cults always feels a bit far away, the cults you usually hear about are the big ones in America but I feel like the smaller, coumunal ones kind of gets lost sometimes. It’s a strange and frightening thought that, yes, cults can be everywhere!
i'm so sorry that you went through all that :(( thank you for sharing your story! sending love
Thank you so much for your kind words and support! It means a lot to me.
I was in a cult that was almost exactly like this here in the U.S. I don't know if I will ever fully heal but I am trying. I appreciate you sharing your story. It was very helpful. I am just sorry you went through that.
Thank you for sharing, I am so sorry to hear that. Healing is not a linear journey, and that does not mean you won’t be okay again. You are not alone in this ❤️ Sending you strength and hope!
I grew up in North America and am living in Italy for some time now, the few evangelical/fundamentalist Christian things I’ve seen here are usually foreigner Mormons and Jehovah’s witnesses sent on missions. Even speaking with French/Italian/German friends they haven’t had nearly as much interaction with these groups as one does in the states, aside from some very tragic news stories. It’s very interesting to hear the expectations of it, and how close it is to a lot of evangelical cults in NA.
I myself wasn’t raised in evangelism directly, as my parents had some conflicts over religion. Luckily I escaped some of the more serious mental strain of it, but it’s still has some serious impacts on mine and my sister’s lives. I can’t imagine how difficult that is to be fully immersed in such a group and limited from interaction with the "outside world". From what I know about German schooling, it’s probably beneficial that homeschooling isn’t as easily accepted, hopefully some people have been able to make it out or question things bc of that required connection to the world.
I hope you’ve been able to find community and safe people outside of that environment ❤
Yeah when I went to the states for a year I also encountered way more people who were openly Evangelicals / Fundamentalists and some aspects were quite similar to how I grew up. I feel like in Germany it is more of an underground / niche thing - you will only know if you or people you love go there.
I am sorry you were also negatively impacted by it, it is always hard to deconstruct this kind of programming, even when you are not extremely sheltered. Yes luckily, homeschooling is not allowed in Germany. My former church wants to build a private school for their children but I am not sure what the chances are of them legally doing so.
Thank you for your kind words!❤ I definitely have my safe people, and feel like you guys on YT are becoming a sort of community🥰
This does not sounds easy at all and I am so sorry you went through what you did. But thank you very very much for sharing. I left a very strict religion at 18 as well and lost just about everything. You are incredibly strong and brave. Keep doing good💕
Thank you so much for your kind words and for sharing. I am really sorry to hear that you had to go through such a difficult experience as well. And it sounds awful that you lost almost everything in the process. Although this is a sad topic to connect over, I am really happy to connect with someone who understands what it’s like and who also had to courage to break out of it despite losing everything. It really feels like I’ve found my people ❤ Sending you much love!
Thank you for sharing. It must be trally hard. I think you are a wonderful person. Thanks for being here.
Thank you for your comment, I truly appreciate it!
In case no one has suggested, I think the movie you are talking about is The Village. Absolutely fantastic film.
This was an interesting video. Please make a video about your life in the church, leaving and your coming out story.
Thanks for your comment, I am working on one!
I grew up Independent Fundamental Baptist in the US, and I can relate to most of this. Thanks so much for posting!!
Wow I can’t even imagine! I’m so glad you got out in time, although it’s heartbreaking for those who didn’t. I would love to learn more about your experience escaping form it and if you are still friends with anyone still involved
Thank you for your comment, you’re so right! Taking notes for my storytime video :)
How is this allowed in Germany... I'm so glad you got out. Thanks for being brave.
Thank you for your kind words! ❤️
Thank you so much for sharing! Please make another video and tell us more!
Thanks for your comment! :) I will upload one soon, once I have the time!
Angeline, your video left me truly moved! Thank you SO much for your courage in sharing your story - it's unimaginable what you went through. It must have taken an incredible amount of strength to speak out about such personal and painful experiences. Your honesty and bravery are truly inspiring, and I'm sure your words will resonate with many who have faced similar struggles. It's evident that your intention is not to condemn faith or religion but rather to shine a light on the harmful practices that need to be addressed and that have affected so many lives. By speaking out, you are a voice for those who can't yet speak for themselves. You’re shedding light on issues that absolutely deserve attention. I felt your story deeply in my heart, and it’s clear I'm not alone - just see how many heartfelt replies you've gotten! You are making a difference in ways you might not even realize. Sending you all my sincere love and support, and know that you are never alone! Keep using your voice to bring light to the world - in your own beautiful way. And keep being the amazing person you are! ♥💞💓
Thank you so much for your comment! Exactly, you get it! It’s not about condemning a specific faith itself but about addressing what is harming people. Thank you for your continuous encouragement, you have no idea how much it means to me! 💖
Thank you for sharing this traumatic story I hope you are doing better and are able to heal from this❤❤
Thank you for your courage. I was raised in a cult and spent the first 23 years of my life in it before I escaped. Fundamentalist Christianity has MANY cults. The importance of being able to think for myself is indescribable.
Thank you for making this video and sharing your experiences! I am German myself and had never heard of this cult, so thank you for making me aware of it!
Thank you for your comment!🧡 Yes I think most people would only know this cult if they had people they know in it…
Thank you for your courage in sharing something new and different yet so tragically familiar.
Amazing story! I joined a cult when I was right out of highschool. They didn't have anywhere near the control over me. Similar rules except there were a lot of outsiders. But this is where they were heading. They were trying to replace all social functions with stuff inside the church. Luckily they never managed to make a school. Glad you're out.
Ooof that sounds tough! I am happy you got out of there before it got worse. My former church is actually currently trying to make a private school as well 🙈
Thank you for bravely sharing this story with all of us ! God bless you in your recovery journey
Thank you very much! :)
Wow I'm sorry you were subjected to this, and I'm glad you are out of there. Thank you for speaking up. I hope others can get away from such a nightmare
Thank you so much for your kind words and empathy! 🩷 Yeah I hope so too, sadly you never know you’re in a cult until you’re out.
gut, dass Du es da rausgeschafft hast! Glückwunsch zu der Willensstärke!
I couldn't find anything online about this church/cult, which makes your future videos all the more important.
Hope you're safe and happy now and I can't wait to learn more.
Thank you so much for your kindness and encouragement! Yeah I couldn’t find much either, because all of it takes place offline I guess there is just no real information available.
I'm really really sorry on what youve been through, honestly i got out of the LDS church with my mom when i turned 17 out of high school... And i suppose i didnt regret it because i had some fake friends, i have a sister in law as well who used to be in the FLDS church but escaped when shes 18 and now shes viral (brielle decker is her name.. Shes married to my brother but yeah theyre having a baby) you can look her up if anyone wants to hear abt her story- however.. The cult youve been through though? It sounds very horrible and damn, im.. Proud that youve been informing on here on youtube.. Also take your time however to heal 🥺🥺 it must be hard to talk about it.. And im sorry about all this. Whoever is the founder the church-concept... Theyre horrible people who made these rules 😣😣 im glad you left the church and all, take your time however if you want to share your stories.. With care, greetings from las vegas-
Thank you so much for your kind words 🩷 I am really sorry to hear about what you must have been through and I am glad you and your family found your way out. Thanks for the recommendation, I just watched her TED talk, I know the Netflix documentary on the FLDS church and seeing she was one of the wives of Warren Jeffs? That is insane. Really admiring how much strength she has to go public with her story, what she went through is really horrifying! Him sending people to abuse her with the goal of taking her legal rights away? So crazy how much abuse people can justify in the name of religion 🥺 but truly inspiring how she turned Warren Jeff’s mansion into a safe house for women and children!
Thank you so much for your compassion, you are right that it’s not easy to speak up since there is still so much anxiety, shame and guilt programming when talking badly about them. But knowing it might help others makes it worthwhile. Sending you warm greetings from the South of France!💕
Just chiming in with another: It is so good that you have made this video. This is the only way people like me, who have not been near fundamentalist religion, cults or sects gets any awareness about it. Indeed because like you state, these communities normally close themselves to the rest of society either completely or partially. So unless something really extreme happens, us from the outside has almost no way of knowing the very real abuse that goes on.
Oh yes and very brave of you. And very good to hear that you are seemingly well on your way to building a more shall we say balanced life.
Thank you for your kind comment ❤️ Yes that is my goal, to create some awareness! Because how would anyone know if the cult members themselves don’t talk about it and ex-members are too scared to do so?
Hatte noch nie von diesen Baptisten gehört, vielen Dank für deine Aufklärungsarbeit! Es tut mir leid, dass du so aufwachsen musstest.
Ja ich glaub die sind einfach nicht sehr bekannt, es sei denn du kennst Mitglieder durch Arbeit oder Schule etc. Danke für die lieben Worte! ❤️
You are very brave for talking about this! Thank you! 😍😍
Thank you for being here! ❤️ Haha yeah I am super scared to do this but felt it was the right thing to do since no one else is talking about it
Thank you for sharing. I am very sorry you had to go through all this, and so happy for you being able to leave! If youd like it would be very interesting to hear more about all of your story. Maybe the channel Vults to Consciousness is of interest for you ^-^
Proud of you for sharing your story and spreading awareness
Thank you!
I dont know if I'am strong enough to watch this video, but just the fact that you escaped a cult...I want to tell you, you are an earth angel sharing information to others to educate them...I know you are strong...bless you, wish you all the best in your life
Thank you. I totally get it, it’s good that you are watching out for yourself. Sometimes it is best to not watch something that might trigger you. Thank you for being here and leaving your comment, and sending you much love and all the best! 💕
This is a great video, you should keep making them
thank you for sharing this, such bravery 🙈
thank you for being here!💙
I am very proud of you. It must have been difficult to go from song covers to your first survivor video.
Thank you! Wasn’t easy that’s for sure!
I hadn't heard about this either, it really seems like a horrible culture to live in
But now it makes sense why people asked if I was in a cult when I told them I was in a baptist church, because it is a similar name
If you do make more videos I am interested to hear how you left/feel about leaving? And if you have supports and feel safe of course. I was never in a cult but I was groomed and I feel so guilty still for never reporting it or coming forward until it was too late because I know the person who gr00med me probably had more victims but at the same time we are also victims (you in the cult and I from this person).
I know as well that its almost impossible for cults to exist without eventually turning the victims into the persecutors (the group harassment and fear I guess that was indoctrinated.)
Also, I'm very proud of you for being here and discussing this topic even though its very heavy. Please always take care of yourself and put your well being first 💜
Thank you for your kind words and for sharing your story. I am so sorry to hear about what you went through. It’s important to remember that the guilt you feel is part of the trauma, and you did the best you could in a very difficult situation.
And yes, I can definitely share more about how I left and my feelings around that. Knowing that there are people like you who are interested in these stories and can relate in different ways really encourages me.
You’re absolutely right about how those experiences can turn victims into perpetrators through the indoctrination and normalisation of abuse. It really sucks that it feels like a neverending cycle.
Thank you for being here. And please take care of yourself too! Sending all the best 💕
You’re brave to tell your story and expose this damaging group. It’s wonderful that you’re taking care of yourself now ❤
Yeah it definitely took all my courage, but I feel it’s only right to do it. Thank you for your kind comment, sending love! 🩷 🩷
Thank you for sharing your experiences with the cult. It's interesting to know this cult is essentially just like the Southern Baptist church, but maybe a tiny little bit more restrictive. Like the 1960s version of the Baptists.
Sorry you went through this ❤
Thank you for your kind words! ❤️
I'm so sorry you had to go through this. Cults are bad for everyone but it's scary how so many are particularly awful and evil to women. The idea of having sex with someone without being allowed to experiment, taking things slow or even education is absolutely horrifying.
I'm glad you got out and think you're really strong for leaving and making a video about it. I hope you are happy, have a good support network and always feel proud of who you are
Thank you so much for your kind comment, it really means a lot reading this! ❤️ Yeah so many cults make it a point to take all power away from the women. Exactly, it feels so reassuring that other people find this horrifying too and it’s not just me!
Thank you, I do have a good support system and I’ll try to be more proud of myself, thanks :) Sending you much love!
Thank you for speaking out. I would be very interested in hearing about how/why you left and what your experience was acclimating to a new lifestyle/new ways of thinking after you left.
Thank you for your comment! I am currently working on a video of how I got out. But I was already thinking to do one after that where I could dive deeper into the deconstruction process after leaving and how my ways of thinking etc changed - was not sure yet if anyone would be interested in that, so thanks for your input! :)
Anyone else just been putting this on in the background on loop just to increase watch time in hopes it gets recommended to more people, to give it the recognition it deserves and to spread awareness
No, just me
Oh my gosh you are soo cute, thank you!!! ❤️ I am still a beginner at making videos but I tried my best making it as informative and enjoyable to watch, because I feel like if I make such a video that I am very anxious about making, I might as well make it count and have it reach many people. So I really appreciate your support :)
You're definitely not alone! Your effort matters and can really make a difference in helping it reach more people. I’ve been doing the same thing because I believe this content truly deserves much more recognition!
@@Patrick__R Thank you so much! It definitely helps a lot, YT seems to keep recommending it to people :)
I just looked down back at the comments despite putting this on in the background every day, on a separate tab, and so hi
Thank you for telling your story ❤
And thank you for listening ❤
thank you for sharing you are very brave!!!
Thank you ❤️ I try
Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for being here :)
I'm so glad for you to be able to get out, everything you told is bizarre and horrible. I would really like to hear you talk more about your experiences, it's so brave what you did coming out talking about this. I've never heard of it before
Thank you! Honestly, it feels really good to have it reaffirmed from an outside perspective that this is really weird and horrible, because my whole life growing up this was “normal”. I’m planning to share more about my story soon!
@@angelineblue I'm a psychologist and this experience you had growing up is absolutely not healthy for anyone, even the perpetrators (but those get lost on the line of who started what, right? And, to the victims, I'm not going to ignore the fact that who the hell cares about what happened to them, after what they have done). I hope you are healthy, happy and healing, living whatever life you wish
I grew up in a very strict Church of Christ in the US Bible belt. You are brave for speaking your truth and I am so grateful that you are showing others like you how to escape. ❤
Thank you for your kind comment, it means a lot truly! ❤️ Sorry to hear you had a similar experience growing up, but seems like you got out as well!
@@angelineblue still in my little town, but no longer under the oppressive thumb of my mom's religion. ❤
And you are so beautiful!
You are criminally under subbed! Keep up the great work! Keep a smile on that face! :)
I have always been, and probably always will be, fascinated by cults and how they work (shoutout to Cultish by Amanda Montell for a lot of good information)humans always have been and always will be a social creature. We will always seek a sense of belonging and purpose - the vast amounts of religions throughout history should prove that enough. The mention of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt reminds me a lot of the quote from Fleabag (which I think is also in Cultish? Been a good minute since I’ve touched either one): “I want someone to tell me what to wear every morning. I want someone to tell me what to eat. What to like, what to hate, what to rage about. What to listen to, what band to like. What to buy tickets for. What to joke about, what not to joke about. I want someone to tell me what to believe in. Who to vote for and who to love and how to tell them. I think I just want someone to tell me how to live my life, Father, because so far I think I’ve been getting it wrong.” I hope she and every other person survivors, if that’s the right word, knows how brave they are.
How and why people who feel the same need for connection, compassion, and answers for the “why” of it all do this to their fellow man is…. beyond me. It never fails to be so… heartbreaking, to put it very lightly, hearing the stories of the people who got out, hearing just how awful humanity can be to each other in the name of control. sitting here listening to her, seeing her eyes darting around as her voice shakes during certain moments like she’s afraid someone is going to come through her door, it makes me wonder if any of the ones pulling the strings behind these things ever felt regret. or anything even remotely resembling compassion or anything warm for their fellow people.
Please tell more of your story. You have a lot to say and a very interesting point of view and intersectional thinking.
I can tell you are very nervous talking about all of this. But, more importantly, you are understandably shaking with rage at some points. And i think that's great! If you have been raised to obey it can be really hard to feel anger. I know that. It feels very similar to anxiety sometimes. But it is anger and that means progress ❤
By the way the show you were talking about in the beginning is "Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt". Just in case you want to rewatch it. I loved that show :)
Thank you very much for your comment, I really appreciate it! ❤️ Yeah you’re right, I was super nervous talking about this and the rage is absolutely there as well. You seem good at reading people 😅 Or maybe you can relate. I agree with you, I also think that anger can be helpful when breaking out of oppressive systems.
You are so brave to tell your story and may be interested in this podcast @CultstoConsciousness
Thank you for commenting! Yeah I love it, when i have the emotional capacity I watch their YT episodes sometimes :)
Thanks for exposing them, I'm so glad you got out.
Me too, thanks for being here!
i would love to hear more of your stories
Thanks for commenting, I will upload my storytime of getting out soon :)
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and laying out the ideology of conservative Baptist Christian sects; was raised in an IFB church, I don't think my fellow Americans understand what festers and grows beneath our feet in spite of the broader liberalization of religion
I am so sorry you were raised similarly! Yeah I think it is important to ruthlessly lay out everything because otherwise it just seems fine and wholesome from outside
I always wondered if there were any groups like this in Europe, since it seems like these sorts of evangelicals are sadly common in the US
Ich habe einige Verwandte in dieser Sekte und ehemalige Klassenkameraden. Ich bin so dankbar dafür, dass meine Eltern sich nie dazu überreden lassen haben da mit zu gehen als wir noch Kinder waren. Gerade die Kindererziehung macht mir bei den richtig Angst.
Oh ja dann kennst du das ja! Gut dass dir das erspart geblieben ist :)
So brave of you to speak out on this cult, especially as there are few or any other ex-members helping expose them. I'm an ex-cult member myself (a quite different one being a pseudo-Hindu meditation sect). Do get yourself involved with other ex-members of cults (not necessarily the one one you were involved in), as they will help protect you from counter-criticism and angry reaction from the cult and help you see that you were very much not alone in your experiences. As you outlined the church's practices, I saw little original in their doctrines - they are a sect that 'syncretises (takes bits of teachings from other cults and sects to put out as their own brand). Cults often borrow from each other. I would like to have seen more on how you grew disillusioned enough to break free. Many get out of cults only when outsiders help them break out - getting away by yourself (or possibly with other disillusioned members) is a rarer thing and especially for a second generation member like yourself (someone raised from infancy or birth in the cult rather than someone recruited and brainwashed in later in life (first generation recruits). I hope your work here encourages others in this and other cults to speak out and break free too.
Thank you so much for your insightful comment, it is really interesting to read about your experience. So interesting how there are always parallels.
I am following some religious deconstruction accounts on Instagram, but that is about all the involvement with other ex-cult members I have. Do you have any recommendations?
I actually got out myself without any outside influence, I will upload a video on the story of me getting out soon!
Thanks for your encouragement! I hope so too
Please talk why/ how you got out of that church and how your parents reacted to you coming out. Good work! Thanks
Thank you for your comment, appreciate it! Yes I am on it, will record the video of how I got out of it soon!
@@angelineblueThank you, Angeline!! Take care of yourself!
I love your demeanor! I’m so glad you’re out of that😭. It all sounds so horrid!!
Oh girl, I know this church very well as I grew up in a BFP pentacostal church in Saxony. I am studying theology and going through religious deconstruction. Right now, I would call myself agnostic as I was traumatised too much in the evangelical church. Nobody in the university does understand or even know about this insane culty culture in fundamentalist churches in German speaking countries.
I'm happy that you escaped and pray that you are able to hold onto your faith in God. I'm a Baha'i which has no clergy but am in a minority which understands that, despite being a new revelation with the Logos having appeared in Baha'u'llah in the 19th c., the Faith has already become apostate. However, the Writings themselves are so rich that not having a community of believers is not a problem. If you study sacred text in the spirit in which they were written, you will be rewarded.
I am so so sorry you had to go through a similar experience! Yeah I absolutely feel you! There is really not much awareness in German speaking countries about this
So sad thank you for sharing your story. You couldn't do anything as a teen and I hope that girl is ok now.
It all sounds like a recipe for suicide. Is there alot of people who go that way?
Just glad you got out and are safe now I hope you heal xx
Thank you so much for your kind comment, I hope so!!! Actually, they say that suicide is murder and you will go to hell for it, so I do not know anyone who died by it, just a lot of unhappy people…
I totally believe you. One Thing I have to say though: like with many churches, it depends on the people in power whether they have really understood the Christian faith or instead abuse it to harm people. There are loving examples of this denomination but I can imagine several abusive congregations existing. Cults and abuse unfortunately always leech off dedicated and idealistic people and twist everything into an abusive mess 😢
(Btw did you intend to say Brüdergemeinden, geschlossene Brüdergemeinden and Bethäuser are the Same? Since they're Not...)
Absolutely, there are definitely different degrees within this denomination. This has been my experience with the one I grew up with as well as the many others in the Network that I visited. Even there, I do not believe the leaders intent to cause any harm to people. Many really come off as genuine, which does not make the impact of it any less damaging though. Honestly, I am not sure about the differences between those groups, the ones I attended always had a “Bethaus” sign on the outside while calling themselves Brüder-Baptistengemeinde.
I am very sorry that you had to grow up in that cult. I am very happy that you escaped.
This is fascinating! Just for your information: “syncope” is pronounced “SIN-ko-pii.”
Ah thanks!
Glad you escaped that sick cult, and thanks for having the courage to speak about it.
Thank you! ❤️
A lot of what you said in the first 44 seconds is where America is headed if we don’t stop the RW Extremists.
Yeah what is happening atm in the US is really scary, i agree!
this is surprising to me because I recall the CoS being outlawed in Germany for being a cult
Yeah I guess there are different requirements for being outlawed, this cult (different than Scientology) is not really about making money off their members, maybe that plays a role. Plus it is pretty underground I would say, not many people in Germany even know what it is.
@@angelineblue THANKS FOR REPLYING!
Happy to see you away from that 💙
Missouri casenet lists where her parole is based. They honestly give out way too much info
17:58 Bless you!
Haha thank you! 🩷
Fun is sinful! This cult sounds incredibly miserable, I'm glad you got out.
Hahaha so true, they did not want us having any fun whatsoever. There were even some sermons that mentioned that outsiders recognise members of the church by the miserable looks on their faces - and the sermons then went on to say: “You need to portray the joy of the Lord in front of people” etc instead of thinking one moment why these people are maybe all so miserable
Commenting for the algo. Part of this is why I personally idenity as a semi-Catholic now. Christianity of so often used to screw innocent lives over.
Thank you for doing that! 🥰 Yeah I absolutely get it, too often religion is instrumentalised to do and justify harm!
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This sounds almost exactly like American Pentecostalism, the cult I was raised in. I’m so sorry you had a similar experience.
I am sorry to hear that :/ also, so interesting how there are always so many parralels - although they would probably all say they are the only ones to teach the “right way”
I never understood why cults and so many religions want women submissive and "too emotional beings" when don't you want someone to be emotional to think of the people....???? God is said to be a very loving and emotional being so why not be emotional....????? I'm glad you are out of the cult. So glad.
Yeah exactly God is portrayed as emotional in many parts of the bible, yet they see emotions as sinful - quite contradictory if you ask me. Thank you, I am very glad too!
I never believed in Santa, the Easter Bunny or religion.
I'm guessing you're getting so many dislikes because the cult members are shunning you for talking about their depravity
Haha I didn’t even see the dislikes but probably
Hey kennst du Cults to Consciousness? Sie interviewt Kult Mitglieder und es wäre mega interessant, wenn du dort Gast wärst. Ich hatte von dieser Gruppe auch noch nie gehört.
This is why we need a saviour, because we can't do it ourselves. Those people were selfish, in many different ways, far from laying down your life for others. God is LITERALLY the Truth, so it's okay in the end for those who love the Truth. Jesus loves you.
@cultstoconsciosness you need to cover this cult
I grew up holiness pentecostal so it was very similar. We were allowed to use the internet, but we were not allowed to have TVs. We allwoed to listen to radio, but not allowed to listen to non christian music. We were not allowed to go to cinemas or the movies as we call it in the US. Women were not allowed to cut their hair. We were not allowed to dance. Men could not have beards. Women could not wear pants, color their hair, wear jewelery of any kind including wedding rings. You could not watch or particiapte in sports. You could not drink or go to bowling alleys. Dating was allowed, but stigmatized so dating was called courting rather than dating, if you had to date mulitple people is was kind of frowned upon. Contraception was allowed but stigmatized. Women were allowed to work outside the home, but stigmatized.
I also forgot to mention that we would got to church 4-5 times a week. Twice on Sunday. We had youth service on Tuesday, Bible study on Wednesday, and Mid week service on Thursday.
Wow that does sound strangely similar! Yes I forgot to mention the not drinking or participating in sports, that was also not allowed where I grew up. And the stigma, I can totally relate to that, it is the worst! Sending love 🩷
Grew up in a strict Christian environment.
Shelia Wray Gregorie and the great sex rescue book and podcasts have saved me a lot of emotional pain and presents a healthier way to experience faith
Thanks for sharing and for the recommendations, I definitely have to check them out!🙂
😲 Ich rechne dog mit vielen wenn ich so scrollen, aber doch nicht auf einmal Deutsch zu hören. 🤭
Ich glaube ich habe den Namen oder so etwas ähnliches schon Mal gehört, aber nie in der Art, dass das ein Kult wäre.
Da fragt man sich wie viele dieser Sekten vielleicht auch Kulte sind oder was es noch so heimliches in der Nachbarschaft gibt. 👂
Haha hätte ich eine Warnung geben sollen? Ja die meisten wissen wirklich nicht viel darüber, weil man so isoliert wird und weil einem dort auch immer gesagt wird man soll ein “Licht” sein und dementsprechend nur von guten Dingen erzählen
Lock them up!
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What is the name of this church?
Do you know if this group has a tendency to stalk people they are trying to convert? I'm in The US, but this sounds remarkably like the group that stalked me when I was 14 - 15 years old. I was very clearly a black sheep, and what started out as two people coming to my house to talk about Jesus turned into an entire congregation convinced they had to save my soul because my love of black cloths, horror movies, and metal meant I was a child doomed to hell.
Not to my knowledge, no. That is crazy, I am really sorry to hear what you went through. It must have been so traumatising, especially at that age!
@angelineblue it was definitely a unique experience. I've developed an interest in how cults function as a result of it. It's both fascinating and utterly horrifying.
Jehoa Witnesses kinda have that as far as music goes, that and, they do not celebrate any holidays, or birthdays. I seen some anumatins they had too, the Caleb and I forget the goir;s name. But it can be found if some ine actually looked for it lol.
SO much of this I relate to being raised JW.
I am sorry :/