You're videos are great and very informative. I understand custom fittings are expensive especially when you're dealing with after market shafts, but isn't a fitting more geared towards what the right lie angle is, what the right lofts are, what the right length of the shafts are, what are the right size and texture grips are etc? I do understand that shafts do play a roll in launch and spin with the different torques, kick points, softer or firmer tips etc. Don't club manufacturers like Callaway, Cobra, Taylor Made etc research which stock shafts are best for their club heads? Shouldn't I be able to take the numbers of my measurements and apply them to any set of clubs bought direct from a manufacturer? Oh and btw, thank you for your Service! I'm a Vet too and I love those parking spots at Lowes too!
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and questions. The MFG will do a little evaluating to compare which shafts work well with each head and will offer what they refer to as stock options. But when they make these recommendations they are only targeting a specific segment of the golfing population which from my experience caters to only about 20% of the golfing population. The explanation behind this is every golfer will swing the club differently, and the items you referenced are in did identified during the session but I would say the correct loft, lie, length and SW of a golf club is usually the last items we are capturing as we do need to determine which head and shaft we need to go into first that’s going to allow you to change the shot outcome. Then the other things we talked about kind of become the salt and pepper to further optimize the build, call it fine tuning to make the result even better.
What do you think of the DTC. company club maker. Tokomo is one that interest me a lot. But I don't think club fitter would have the option of testing these clubs. There seem to be more and more of these DTC company's out there. I guess that is the down fall that you cant test them first.
DTC is definitely a great way to get some good deals Subzero and Hogan are a couple that jump out as we personally have seen some of these in the shop. Not familiar with the brand you mentioned, I would lean on customer reviews and feedback before I made a jump.
Preach. My clubs have regular shafts in the long irons, stiff from 7 down to wedges, x-stiff in wedges. Different lie angles too. 3 iron thru lob wedge are from 3 different manufacturers. This is the way.
That is for sure one unique build, and I have experimented with different flexes in sets before but never like what you described, but it sounds very interesting and I just may run a test on this to see how it plays out. Thanks for sharing.
As long as each club gives you consistent and good carry, tight dispersion, good stopping power and distance control and correct gapping between clubs.
These are great videos! Fitting is not cheap but many fitters will give you a "rebate" if your clubs are purchased from them. I go to a local fitter in Ontario Canada. The cost is $300 and $150 off when I bought my irons. I'm a high handicapper. I tried many game improvement clubs and ended with Srixon ZX5. I hit them last through all the other clubs, they were it. I could feel the difference. I was there for about 2 hours, there is a cost to support the fitting, rent, hydro, insurance etc. My irons had special order shafts ( not original shafts, OE). Many times I thought I could luckily pick the right clubs/shafts, never did. I would say to people, you can't afford to not be fitted. You may not have the money to buy what they suggest but you know what you should have, Also, make sure you are fit for your putter, you swing it EVERY hole, I have no Hole in Ones. Make sure your fitter has a wide range of brands. You don't want to go to Brand X fitter.
So true, and all are really good talking points and points that I would visit with my customer. But as we all know fitters aren’t created equal, but when equipped with the right information you should be able to hold your fitters feet to the fire so to speak…thanks for sharing…
So that’s a really good combination. 70-80 full swings is generally the cut off, and during the session we will try on average maybe 3-4 heads tops, and 7 to 8 shafts to find the best fit. So in 90minutes we typically don’t have any problem with finding the best combo, unless there is something going on with the technique
I have booked a fitting for March with a local fitter and as a 65 yr old 5'3" 13 handicap, I have always felt I was hitting 3/4 of the ball due to the lie angle. Looking forward to see what the results of the fitting produce. Guess I will find out next month. You explained everything very well. I watched both intros and like the new version.
Thanks Rick, I would highly suggest going shorter lengths. Also I would seek out a fitter with Titleist in the lineup, the tsi1 has been my number one seller for Sr. Golfers
Your point 5 on being expensive is an understatement, it is very expensive, to the tune of double if not more with custom shafts, which a lot of fitters will recommend
@@SwingFit Sounds like it to me that @D Sexton may be referring to Club Champion?!?! I went to CC and although the fitting was really good I felt like they were trying to fit me in some pretty high priced shafts. I do understand that the build price is baked into the price and they will tell you that, but there has to be decent priced after market shafts out there that won't break the bank? Most of us are not professional golfers, and to see prices that are much much higher than stock it's a shock. I do really appreciate a great fitter like yourself John, and if you're only 25% to 30% higher than retail than I could live with that. You have to make some money for your labor in building the clubs to spec. That to me is very reasonable. It's the places like Club Champion that are 50% or more higher than stock is what is going to turn people off to custom club fittings.
@@TheWildwoodPicker we have a lot of customers who tell us the same thing, there model is setup on getting someone to make that impulse buy, as they know once they get them once they are likely never going to see them again. Where I much rather keep costs down and then earn repeat business, I like to believe we are in the relationship game not the club selling game. But thanks again for sharing.
@@SwingFit Hello John, I really wish you guys were out here in the Philly/South NJ area. I would love to have been able to go to you for my club fitting. I could hope on a plane and come see you if I really wanted to. I'd have to really think about that though. Let me give you some stats from a Cobra LTDx 7 Iron with the KBS PGI 75 R Flex shaft I was hitting at GG and see what your thoughts are... Keep in mind that I'm a 54yr old Disabled Vet with Osteoarthritis in both knees, both hips (need left hip replaced), and lower back, so my flexibility is not the greatest anymore. Cobra LTDx - 7 Iron with KBS PGI 75 R Flex Shaft - 2 Up Lie - 9 Shots Taken With This Club Average Club Speed: 80.5MPH - Average Ball Speed: 108.8MPH - Average Smash Factor: 1.35 - Average Carry: 148.6yrds - Average Total: 155.7yrds - Average Launch Angle: 21.3 Degrees - Average Attack Angle: -1.1 - Average Spin: 6002
So, I just watched several of your videos and the last was your 2021 Q&A video. First, all serious golfers, regardless of skill, know proper fitting equipment makes the likelihood of better golf more attainable. I am your high handicap golfer. I play the PXG 0811 X Proto Gen 4 Driver, Ping G700 irons, and mixed Fairway woods. (Scotty C Putter). All very respectable high quality equipment. I play on two leagues in season and a three night per week sim league all winter. The guys I golf with often want to hit my clubs (even if they have the same brand in their bag). Why? Short answer, ALL my clubs are purchased based on design spec and ALWAY "optimized" by the fitter I use. I say optimized because let's face it, off the shelf clubs are fine, but won't work for most people. That is to say manufacturers seek to satisfy the masses. I have my own unique issues. Optimization includes setting up my clubs to meet my personal swing. I, like you, think a shaft selection is as important if not more than a head. Now, all "fitters" are not created equally. Selecting a fitter is the first big decision a golfer needs to make. My fitter is driven to 'Optimize" not sell me something other than the fitting. I have bought many things from my fitter like shafts, accessories, and whole club set-ups. What I like about mine is what I see on trackman during fitting carries very closely to what I see on the course. As for your "hater" a simple statement "CHANGE CHANNELS". If they are un satisfied with your videos, the internet is littered with alternatives. For me, I think I will stick with you. Stunning, your comments are reflected often by my own fitter.. THANK YOU AND KEEP THE VIDEOS COMING.
You should become our new spokesperson, because you hit the mail in the head. Thank you for taking the time to write this thoughtful response, and thanks for the support.
Fitting is a start point but practice and lessons are the on going part that weekend hacks need to lower there index. Otherwise bad habits will stay and you just wasted money on fitted irons. I got a full bag fitting. It was interesting. The one important thing that they fixed was my lie angles . which was more important then I thought.
Would not argue with you there, I would even go as far to say that fitting is a great starting point, as it not only can help you make sure the clubs are matching the delivery, but it can also help the practice and the technique become a little easier to recreate a consistent and repeatable swing
Great video. I feel if you cannot afford custom fitting you should start by going to a driving range and using foot powder spray to spot your face impact. If your lie is ok or may need adjustment and you can center your strikes then next step is to look at ball flight, this and distance spacing. This can lead to shaft ideas to find the right weight flex etc... I did this myself and I have not looked back having spent money and time on other fittings. It's whatever works for you
So true, the key take away from this statement is you didn’t just guess, you took the time to assess and evaluate and then made a decision be it one way or the other to fix/resolve the issue you identified. I believe too many golfers end up trying this and trying that but never really knowing why they are trying this or that. Thanks for sharing.
So I live in Vegas and you don’t hv a store here, so I would like to know who u would recommend for a club fitting Golftec or club champions, I wish you guys were here but your not, so hopefully I can get your honest opinion on a good fitter in my area. Great video ⛳️🏌🏾♂️👍😃
My best source of truth would be asking the pros at your local courses. Just call them up and ask them who is the best fitting establishment in our area? After about 5-6 calls someone would likely bubble up to the top. Club champion does a very effective job but their prices are a little high. Golftec is reasonable but sometimes lacks the experiences and depth you need. Now Truspec if you can find one near you would be my top pick
Hey John ... another great video! I would like to add a couple comments from the perspective of one of your clients. I came out last fall and let you and your team work your magic on a new set, full set, of clubs. I don't know if my biorhythms were off, or the moon was in the wrong phase, but I did not bring my best swing to your bay for my fitting. That being said, you and your staff were extremely patient and professional and I now have a set that I am hitting center of the face far more regularly, and playing from the fairway a lot more. Thank you all again for that. I want to mention a couple things that surprised me in the fitting process, (first timer). At one point, you changed out the shaft for the iron I was hitting. My same old swing, the same club head, just a different shaft and I immediately saw 6 mph increase in club head speed. I am still amazed at that and have no idea how anyone could hope to achieve that without the benefit of a professional fitter. I also don't know if that kind of thing is common or just an oddity with me. The second surprise for me was the putter fitting. To be honest, I did not have very high hopes in this area, but again, you surprised me. You may remember that the putter I had been using had a swing weight just short of a small block chevy and I have never been a good putter... perhaps equipment matters? Well, I love my new putter. I am WAY more consistent with it in terms of line and distance control, and getting more confidence with it everyday. Words I have never said about any putter in my life. If you were to add a 6th point to your list of 5, I would suggest that we, the customers, do away, as much as we possibly can, with preconceived notions regarding club brands/models, shafts and the like and give the fitter as much freedom as possible to find the best combination. Maybe this is not so important for better golfers, but it worked for me. Keep up the good work John.
Randy thanks for taking the time to write this thought out response, it’s feedback like this that truly makes our day, it’s not lost on us that if our customers aren’t satisfied and impressed with the results, then we would never receive the recommendations and referrals that customers such as yourself pass on. Thanks again.
My first club fitting was just a few months after picking up the game and it was all done outdoors. It was a complete bag fitting and there’s no doubt those clubs helped me go from shooting low 90s to single digit inside a year of playing the game. I played those clubs for 4 years and when I went in for new clubs everyone was doing indoor fittings only… I thought it wouldn’t matter that much but for me, it was a horrible experience. I couldn’t swing MY swing hitting into a screen and was hitting shots that didn’t match my game at all. Thankfully I realized this and walked out without buying new clubs. (I ended up just taking the measurements this club fitter did on my existing set and ordered new custom clubs online matching those specs and it worked out fine). I have tried indoor fitting multiple times over the years but am always disappointed with the results and just wind up doing the same thing of ordering new clubs online with specs I know will work for me. I FINALLY got an outdoor fitting again when Callaway came to my club a few weeks ago and man, what a difference! I have all new hybrids, wedges and irons that truly fit my swing now (I just turned 50 so my swing has changed a lot since my first fitting 23 years ago) and couldn’t be happier. I say all of that to say this, in my opinion, indoor fittings are ruining the fitting industry. I can’t tell you how many ppl I’ve spoken with over the years that have got indoor fitted and had serious regrets with the resulting set they bought. Does it work for some? Ya maybe . But psychologically, physiologically, we humans have evolved to adapt dynamically to our visual field and looking at and hitting into a 2D screen simulation of a driving range is not even close to same experience as hitting out into a real driving range. Not even close. And don’t even get me started about hitting off mats vs real turf! The only reason indoor fitting is even a thing is because it’s easier to systematize and make money off of it. You can open an indoor fitting center anywhere (most of them are in strip malls) and get a lot more ppl through fittings than having to do it in a driving range (turf maintenance, ball pickup, and a number of other logistical overhead too). I’d love to see us have more fitters in the US like they have in Europe (or US based club manufacturers fitting centers) where pros have their garages/bays on the driving range with all the fitting gear/equipment inside but your hitting out into a real driving range. Wouldn’t that be awesome!! Sorry for the book… it’s just been bugging the crap out of me seeing all these fitters touting the benefits of fitting but using these ridiculous setups thinking and/or conveying it’s the same as a real driving range fitting experience - IT IS NOT!
So your points are very valid and speaking candidly I do much better outside with the driver then I do in doors. And 100% perception and tight confined spaces will either influence your delivery be it consciously or subconsciously, this is why in our new fitting center we are building we are making the bays wider and deeper to help with this. Thank you for taking the time to share.
Really like the transparency of this video, fitting is not a cure all, but it is certainly an enhancement. There are benefits to getting fit beyond new clubs/shafts.
I want to ask this, I know my swing is not perfect but I am a mid 80 player, I got fit by pxg couple years ago and bought clubs but felt like it was just a up sale by them, I want to get fit and really thinking of graphite shaft in irons, I have hit a few clubs at carls and did and love the feel I get with graphite, i swing irons 82 to 85 is graphite possible for irons, right now I have modus 105 in pxg gen 2
MMT shafts are a really really good option for making the transition, it protects SW and they are really close in total weight as well. I would say for sure give it a try if you can find a place to see which one fits the best.
Hi John , I've been watching your videos for the last couple nights. Your a great fitter and explain what you do to get optimum results for your customers. It's cool to see the differences between club heads and shafts for how they really affect the golf shots. Where is your golf fitting shop?
I want to get fitted but I don't feel like my local fitters are very thorough i have a very different but extremely effective technique and you guys seem pretty thorough in your fittings debating making the 5 hour trip for a good fitting lol
For what it’s worth the furthest customer we’ve had to date has been from Texas. And trust me we have seen our fair share of unique swings throughout the years so I promise, you won’t show us something we haven’t already seen or worked with, and the one thing you can take to the bank, is you will likely get tired of me asking for just one more swing.😀
@@SwingFit lol thats great ill honestly make a appointment soon i live in bristol tn im looking at getting into the 223 225 or 226 mizuno irons. i game hmbs atm so this spring ill be hitting you guys up thanks
Have you decided to show your clients going through the fitting process yet or are you still proving only summaries? Suggest you take some pointers from TXG. They allow their viewers to observe the client point of view from the client themselves. It helps the viewer feel more engaged and connected throughout the fitting process.
It’s definitely in the works, the only challenge and even my boys up at TXG will tell you is how do you boil down a 90minute session into a 10-15 min video. But stay tuned.
So can club fitting help you play better golf ? After all it’s not a silver bullet. If club fitting alone can’t at least lower your handicap by a few strokes ( higher handicap players ) then it must be a waste of money.
ClubFitting without question will shave strokes, but you would be surprised if how many people believe that just because they got fit they don’t have to practice or work on their game, which is why I say it only accounts for 1/2.
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Wow that was a mouth full. Good stuff.
Sure was, but I hope it was helpful.
Great video!
Thanks bud.
Thank you for the new intro. Seriously.
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Just found your channel , love it !
Good job , well done and easy to comprehend the informative content .
Hanks for the feedback, and support.
You're videos are great and very informative. I understand custom fittings are expensive especially when you're dealing with after market shafts, but isn't a fitting more geared towards what the right lie angle is, what the right lofts are, what the right length of the shafts are, what are the right size and texture grips are etc? I do understand that shafts do play a roll in launch and spin with the different torques, kick points, softer or firmer tips etc. Don't club manufacturers like Callaway, Cobra, Taylor Made etc research which stock shafts are best for their club heads? Shouldn't I be able to take the numbers of my measurements and apply them to any set of clubs bought direct from a manufacturer? Oh and btw, thank you for your Service! I'm a Vet too and I love those parking spots at Lowes too!
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and questions. The MFG will do a little evaluating to compare which shafts work well with each head and will offer what they refer to as stock options. But when they make these recommendations they are only targeting a specific segment of the golfing population which from my experience caters to only about 20% of the golfing population. The explanation behind this is every golfer will swing the club differently, and the items you referenced are in did identified during the session but I would say the correct loft, lie, length and SW of a golf club is usually the last items we are capturing as we do need to determine which head and shaft we need to go into first that’s going to allow you to change the shot outcome. Then the other things we talked about kind of become the salt and pepper to further optimize the build, call it fine tuning to make the result even better.
I liked the old intro a lot better
I’m still a little partial to the other one as well we may play around with it and see if we can blend old with new… thanks for the feedback
What do you think of the DTC. company club maker. Tokomo is one that interest me a lot. But I don't think club fitter would have the option of testing these clubs. There seem to be more and more of these DTC company's out there. I guess that is the down fall that you cant test them first.
DTC is definitely a great way to get some good deals Subzero and Hogan are a couple that jump out as we personally have seen some of these in the shop. Not familiar with the brand you mentioned, I would lean on customer reviews and feedback before I made a jump.
@@SwingFit one of your favorite fitters TXG & James Robinson both give them pretty good reviews. ( Tokomo 101 & 102's )
Great video!! And love the New Intro!!!
Thanks bud.
Liking the new intro!
Thanks bud
Preach.
My clubs have regular shafts in the long irons, stiff from 7 down to wedges, x-stiff in wedges. Different lie angles too.
3 iron thru lob wedge are from 3 different manufacturers.
This is the way.
That is for sure one unique build, and I have experimented with different flexes in sets before but never like what you described, but it sounds very interesting and I just may run a test on this to see how it plays out. Thanks for sharing.
As long as each club gives you consistent and good carry, tight dispersion, good stopping power and distance control and correct gapping between clubs.
These are great videos! Fitting is not cheap but many fitters will give you a "rebate" if your clubs are purchased from them. I go to a local fitter in Ontario Canada. The cost is $300 and $150 off when I bought my irons. I'm a high handicapper. I tried many game improvement clubs and ended with Srixon ZX5. I hit them last through all the other clubs, they were it. I could feel the difference. I was there for about 2 hours, there is a cost to support the fitting, rent, hydro, insurance etc. My irons had special order shafts ( not original shafts, OE). Many times I thought I could luckily pick the right clubs/shafts, never did. I would say to people, you can't afford to not be fitted. You may not have the money to buy what they suggest but you know what you should have, Also, make sure you are fit for your putter, you swing it EVERY hole, I have no Hole in Ones. Make sure your fitter has a wide range of brands. You don't want to go to Brand X fitter.
So true, and all are really good talking points and points that I would visit with my customer. But as we all know fitters aren’t created equal, but when equipped with the right information you should be able to hold your fitters feet to the fire so to speak…thanks for sharing…
Do you think it’s possible to honestly try that many club head/iron shaft combinations as most people fatigue pretty quickly and they swings degrade?
Sorry meant in one session as opposed to multiple sessions…
So that’s a really good combination. 70-80 full swings is generally the cut off, and during the session we will try on average maybe 3-4 heads tops, and 7 to 8 shafts to find the best fit. So in 90minutes we typically don’t have any problem with finding the best combo, unless there is something going on with the technique
I have booked a fitting for March with a local fitter and as a 65 yr old 5'3" 13 handicap, I have always felt I was hitting 3/4 of the ball due to the lie angle. Looking forward to see what the results of the fitting produce. Guess I will find out next month. You explained everything very well. I watched both intros and like the new version.
Thanks Rick, I would highly suggest going shorter lengths. Also I would seek out a fitter with Titleist in the lineup, the tsi1 has been my number one seller for Sr. Golfers
@@SwingFit Thx, I am looking for new irons.
New intro is nice. 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks bud.
Your point 5 on being expensive is an understatement, it is very expensive, to the tune of double if not more with custom shafts, which a lot of fitters will recommend
Results will vary for sure, but my prices will generally never be more than 25-30% more than retail, and yes that’s with an aftermarket shaft.
@@SwingFit Sounds like it to me that @D Sexton may be referring to Club Champion?!?! I went to CC and although the fitting was really good I felt like they were trying to fit me in some pretty high priced shafts. I do understand that the build price is baked into the price and they will tell you that, but there has to be decent priced after market shafts out there that won't break the bank? Most of us are not professional golfers, and to see prices that are much much higher than stock it's a shock. I do really appreciate a great fitter like yourself John, and if you're only 25% to 30% higher than retail than I could live with that. You have to make some money for your labor in building the clubs to spec. That to me is very reasonable. It's the places like Club Champion that are 50% or more higher than stock is what is going to turn people off to custom club fittings.
@@TheWildwoodPicker we have a lot of customers who tell us the same thing, there model is setup on getting someone to make that impulse buy, as they know once they get them once they are likely never going to see them again. Where I much rather keep costs down and then earn repeat business, I like to believe we are in the relationship game not the club selling game. But thanks again for sharing.
@@SwingFit Hello John, I really wish you guys were out here in the Philly/South NJ area. I would love to have been able to go to you for my club fitting. I could hope on a plane and come see you if I really wanted to. I'd have to really think about that though. Let me give you some stats from a Cobra LTDx 7 Iron with the KBS PGI 75 R Flex shaft I was hitting at GG and see what your thoughts are... Keep in mind that I'm a 54yr old Disabled Vet with Osteoarthritis in both knees, both hips (need left hip replaced), and lower back, so my flexibility is not the greatest anymore.
Cobra LTDx - 7 Iron with KBS PGI 75 R Flex Shaft - 2 Up Lie - 9 Shots Taken With This Club
Average Club Speed: 80.5MPH - Average Ball Speed: 108.8MPH - Average Smash Factor: 1.35 - Average Carry: 148.6yrds - Average Total: 155.7yrds - Average Launch Angle: 21.3 Degrees - Average Attack Angle: -1.1 - Average Spin: 6002
So, I just watched several of your videos and the last was your 2021 Q&A video. First, all serious golfers, regardless of skill, know proper fitting equipment makes the likelihood of better golf more attainable. I am your high handicap golfer. I play the PXG 0811 X Proto Gen 4 Driver, Ping G700 irons, and mixed Fairway woods. (Scotty C Putter). All very respectable high quality equipment. I play on two leagues in season and a three night per week sim league all winter. The guys I golf with often want to hit my clubs (even if they have the same brand in their bag). Why? Short answer, ALL my clubs are purchased based on design spec and ALWAY "optimized" by the fitter I use. I say optimized because let's face it, off the shelf clubs are fine, but won't work for most people. That is to say manufacturers seek to satisfy the masses. I have my own unique issues. Optimization includes setting up my clubs to meet my personal swing. I, like you, think a shaft selection is as important if not more than a head. Now, all "fitters" are not created equally. Selecting a fitter is the first big decision a golfer needs to make. My fitter is driven to 'Optimize" not sell me something other than the fitting. I have bought many things from my fitter like shafts, accessories, and whole club set-ups. What I like about mine is what I see on trackman during fitting carries very closely to what I see on the course. As for your "hater" a simple statement "CHANGE CHANNELS". If they are un satisfied with your videos, the internet is littered with alternatives. For me, I think I will stick with you. Stunning, your comments are reflected often by my own fitter..
THANK YOU AND KEEP THE VIDEOS COMING.
You should become our new spokesperson, because you hit the mail in the head. Thank you for taking the time to write this thoughtful response, and thanks for the support.
Fitting is a start point but practice and lessons are the on going part that weekend hacks need to lower there index. Otherwise bad habits will stay and you just wasted money on fitted irons. I got a full bag fitting. It was interesting. The one important thing that they fixed was my lie angles . which was more important then I thought.
Would not argue with you there, I would even go as far to say that fitting is a great starting point, as it not only can help you make sure the clubs are matching the delivery, but it can also help the practice and the technique become a little easier to recreate a consistent and repeatable swing
The new one Kota
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Great video. I feel if you cannot afford custom fitting you should start by going to a driving range and using foot powder spray to spot your face impact. If your lie is ok or may need adjustment and you can center your strikes then next step is to look at ball flight, this and distance spacing. This can lead to shaft ideas to find the right weight flex etc... I did this myself and I have not looked back having spent money and time on other fittings. It's whatever works for you
So true, the key take away from this statement is you didn’t just guess, you took the time to assess and evaluate and then made a decision be it one way or the other to fix/resolve the issue you identified. I believe too many golfers end up trying this and trying that but never really knowing why they are trying this or that. Thanks for sharing.
So I live in Vegas and you don’t hv a store here, so I would like to know who u would recommend for a club fitting Golftec or club champions, I wish you guys were here but your not, so hopefully I can get your honest opinion on a good fitter in my area. Great video ⛳️🏌🏾♂️👍😃
My best source of truth would be asking the pros at your local courses. Just call them up and ask them who is the best fitting establishment in our area? After about 5-6 calls someone would likely bubble up to the top. Club champion does a very effective job but their prices are a little high. Golftec is reasonable but sometimes lacks the experiences and depth you need. Now Truspec if you can find one near you would be my top pick
Hey John ... another great video! I would like to add a couple comments from the perspective of one of your clients. I came out last fall and let you and your team work your magic on a new set, full set, of clubs. I don't know if my biorhythms were off, or the moon was in the wrong phase, but I did not bring my best swing to your bay for my fitting. That being said, you and your staff were extremely patient and professional and I now have a set that I am hitting center of the face far more regularly, and playing from the fairway a lot more. Thank you all again for that. I want to mention a couple things that surprised me in the fitting process, (first timer). At one point, you changed out the shaft for the iron I was hitting. My same old swing, the same club head, just a different shaft and I immediately saw 6 mph increase in club head speed. I am still amazed at that and have no idea how anyone could hope to achieve that without the benefit of a professional fitter. I also don't know if that kind of thing is common or just an oddity with me.
The second surprise for me was the putter fitting. To be honest, I did not have very high hopes in this area, but again, you surprised me. You may remember that the putter I had been using had a swing weight just short of a small block chevy and I have never been a good putter... perhaps equipment matters? Well, I love my new putter. I am WAY more consistent with it in terms of line and distance control, and getting more confidence with it everyday. Words I have never said about any putter in my life.
If you were to add a 6th point to your list of 5, I would suggest that we, the customers, do away, as much as we possibly can, with preconceived notions regarding club brands/models, shafts and the like and give the fitter as much freedom as possible to find the best combination. Maybe this is not so important for better golfers, but it worked for me. Keep up the good work John.
Randy thanks for taking the time to write this thought out response, it’s feedback like this that truly makes our day, it’s not lost on us that if our customers aren’t satisfied and impressed with the results, then we would never receive the recommendations and referrals that customers such as yourself pass on. Thanks again.
Brilliant stuff yet again John. 👍
Thanks for the feedback and continued support.
first time watching and wow... great detail and really helped with what I'm working on with my driver.
Thanks for the feedback and I hope you stay tuned for other videos.
My first club fitting was just a few months after picking up the game and it was all done outdoors. It was a complete bag fitting and there’s no doubt those clubs helped me go from shooting low 90s to single digit inside a year of playing the game. I played those clubs for 4 years and when I went in for new clubs everyone was doing indoor fittings only… I thought it wouldn’t matter that much but for me, it was a horrible experience. I couldn’t swing MY swing hitting into a screen and was hitting shots that didn’t match my game at all. Thankfully I realized this and walked out without buying new clubs. (I ended up just taking the measurements this club fitter did on my existing set and ordered new custom clubs online matching those specs and it worked out fine). I have tried indoor fitting multiple times over the years but am always disappointed with the results and just wind up doing the same thing of ordering new clubs online with specs I know will work for me.
I FINALLY got an outdoor fitting again when Callaway came to my club a few weeks ago and man, what a difference! I have all new hybrids, wedges and irons that truly fit my swing now (I just turned 50 so my swing has changed a lot since my first fitting 23 years ago) and couldn’t be happier.
I say all of that to say this, in my opinion, indoor fittings are ruining the fitting industry. I can’t tell you how many ppl I’ve spoken with over the years that have got indoor fitted and had serious regrets with the resulting set they bought. Does it work for some? Ya maybe . But psychologically, physiologically, we humans have evolved to adapt dynamically to our visual field and looking at and hitting into a 2D screen simulation of a driving range is not even close to same experience as hitting out into a real driving range. Not even close. And don’t even get me started about hitting off mats vs real turf!
The only reason indoor fitting is even a thing is because it’s easier to systematize and make money off of it. You can open an indoor fitting center anywhere (most of them are in strip malls) and get a lot more ppl through fittings than having to do it in a driving range (turf maintenance, ball pickup, and a number of other logistical overhead too). I’d love to see us have more fitters in the US like they have in Europe (or US based club manufacturers fitting centers) where pros have their garages/bays on the driving range with all the fitting gear/equipment inside but your hitting out into a real driving range. Wouldn’t that be awesome!!
Sorry for the book… it’s just been bugging the crap out of me seeing all these fitters touting the benefits of fitting but using these ridiculous setups thinking and/or conveying it’s the same as a real driving range fitting experience - IT IS NOT!
So your points are very valid and speaking candidly I do much better outside with the driver then I do in doors. And 100% perception and tight confined spaces will either influence your delivery be it consciously or subconsciously, this is why in our new fitting center we are building we are making the bays wider and deeper to help with this. Thank you for taking the time to share.
Really like the transparency of this video, fitting is not a cure all, but it is certainly an enhancement. There are benefits to getting fit beyond new clubs/shafts.
Couldn’t have said it better and one thing is for certain we never know until we try.
New intro is Fire 🔥
Thanks
I want to ask this, I know my swing is not perfect but I am a mid 80 player, I got fit by pxg couple years ago and bought clubs but felt like it was just a up sale by them, I want to get fit and really thinking of graphite shaft in irons, I have hit a few clubs at carls and did and love the feel I get with graphite, i swing irons 82 to 85 is graphite possible for irons, right now I have modus 105 in pxg gen 2
MMT shafts are a really really good option for making the transition, it protects SW and they are really close in total weight as well. I would say for sure give it a try if you can find a place to see which one fits the best.
Hi John , I've been watching your videos for the last couple nights. Your a great fitter and explain what you do to get optimum results for your customers. It's cool to see the differences between club heads and shafts for how they really affect the golf shots. Where is your golf fitting shop?
Thank you for the kind words, We are located in Bunker Hill WV just outside of Wash DC.
@@SwingFit John , thanks for your reply, hope to meet you this spring for a Driver fitting. Have a good day!!
I want to get fitted but I don't feel like my local fitters are very thorough i have a very different but extremely effective technique and you guys seem pretty thorough in your fittings debating making the 5 hour trip for a good fitting lol
For what it’s worth the furthest customer we’ve had to date has been from Texas. And trust me we have seen our fair share of unique swings throughout the years so I promise, you won’t show us something we haven’t already seen or worked with, and the one thing you can take to the bank, is you will likely get tired of me asking for just one more swing.😀
@@SwingFit lol thats great ill honestly make a appointment soon i live in bristol tn im looking at getting into the 223 225 or 226 mizuno irons. i game hmbs atm so this spring ill be hitting you guys up thanks
New intro is better!
Right now it’s about a 50/50 split
The new one is nice!, but I rather the old one better!
Thanks for sharing.
I liked the old intro. I picked up 40 yards with my driver in my first ever club fitting a couple weeks ago. Yes they’re worth every penny.
Thanks for sharing bud, that’s a pretty big gain.
Have you decided to show your clients going through the fitting process yet or are you still proving only summaries? Suggest you take some pointers from TXG. They allow their viewers to observe the client point of view from the client themselves. It helps the viewer feel more engaged and connected throughout the fitting process.
It’s definitely in the works, the only challenge and even my boys up at TXG will tell you is how do you boil down a 90minute session into a 10-15 min video. But stay tuned.
@@SwingFit awesome…looking forward to it
How expensive are you.
Fit fees are likely some of the lowest I’ve seen, and on average our clubs custom fit and build run about 15-20% more then off the shelve.
I think I like the old intro better.
I need to clean up the sound track just a bit didn’t quite come out the way I had hope.
The old one is better
Thanks.
So can club fitting help you play better golf ?
After all it’s not a silver bullet. If club fitting alone can’t at least lower your handicap by a few strokes ( higher handicap players ) then it must be a waste of money.
ClubFitting without question will shave strokes, but you would be surprised if how many people believe that just because they got fit they don’t have to practice or work on their game, which is why I say it only accounts for 1/2.