Tuxedo Junction / TJ's? That's some esoteric knowledge if you're not from Eastbourne. Is Marina a Roedean girl? She hits the nail right on the head regarding the scope of old school clubbing, in its many forms, and it's demise.
I have to say this is the first time I have really seen Richard and Marina having a real difference of opinion! I really enjoyed the slightly more adversarial chat!!! ❤
This is honestly the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. I just cannot believe the passion that people have when it comes to organising their books
My God what an episode! Rob Beckett pops in from next door like a miracle, and that's not even the main draw of the ep. Marina's drug lecture and bookshelfgate
"I'm sorry, why would you organise books so they cannot be easily retrieved?" *SLOW push in on VERY uncomfortable Richard* Genius editing!!! made me laugh so much
Marina rocks this podcast every week, but her thoughts around the predicted end of clubs in this week's episode are another level. The passion. The honesty. The hands 🙌 !! Keep it up, Marina. Legendary!
Lol. Came here to say the opposite. Clubs are not going out of business because of "booths"😂. It's because people mostly went to clubs to drink alcohol and hook up with people. Younger people don't drink anywhere near as much as previous generations and they use apps for their hookups. Bars all over Europe are dying too. It's part of a wider trend. She's clueless.
@@HawthornSpindle I have no difficulty believing clubs have got worse but they've always been shit. We used to put up with the overpriced drinks and shit music because that's just what we all did and there was no tinder. Some convinced themselves they actually liked it and some just went along with it but clubs closing down really isn't much of a loss.
👏 wow well said Marina, spot on regarding clubs/Ibiza/club-culture/drugs etc. “No soul” pretty much sums it up. Nice to hear someone talking with passion and honesty about the subject for once!
Wow! That was a heated episode. I laughed the whole way through my pile of ironing- post war shirts first, then trousers, followed by T shirts and Tea towels. Pre war stuff is so tatty, I’ve given up ironing it!😉
How Richard didn't pardon the pun when he said "there's celebrations in the lawyers office" when talking about naming chocolate bars, I will never know!
I think he interupts too much, but, in fairness, in this case she was passionately going down a road that could've got them in trouble lol. She's epic though.
I live in a tiny cottage. My books are organised alphabetically by genre, and then alphabetically by author. There are shelves above doors, in the loo, lining entire walls to the (low) ceilings, under window casings, on window sills, in the recess on the staircase. I dream of having a library because I am running into four thousand volumes and I cannot weed. I recognise I am a book hoarder at this stage. Organising by colour or height gives me anxiety. The worst I have seen is turning books around so the spines can't be seen.
I feel this entirely. I'm only at about 2500 odd though, a room or 2 for a library exclusively is the dream. i just stack mine up the walls. by genre n authour. Theres always more books to read :)
We've shared our lives together for 3 decades - joint accounts, joint ownership, joint everything, lives fully inter-twinned. Merge the book collections? Are you fudging crazy!! and Winkers in Chalfont St Peter.
I’ll throw my two pence in: I have around 350 books and they’re organised by size because the shelves are different sizes. Apart from that, there’s no organisation at all because I like ‘surprises’ as I look along my shelves! I have my read and unread books separate though and series (like Thursday Murder Club) are obviously together.
Jesus, Marina just said about clubbing exactly what I have been saying. I was a DJ through the 90's, people either drank or chose ecstasy and speed, rarely you would get a bit of coke doing the rounds but you would spot the dickheads doing it a mile off and they were thrown out (unless they were management or other DJs) . I now see those dickheads are in the majority not only ruining nightlife but so many other aspects of everyday life. How has the obligatory white powder become so popular?
My favourite regional 80's nightclub was called Scandals - Richard wouldn't even have been able to stand up in there! It lived up to its name. And well said Marina, excellent explanation of why nightclubs are dying.
As a student in Bath in the early-mid 80s a popular venue was 'The Island Club', but as it was subterranean repurposed public conveniences; it was generally known as 'The Bog Island Club'. As for bookshelves: a large one double stacked with Sci-Fi, the others a hybrid between Richard and Marina's 'systems', some size driven, some themed, like travel or general fiction.
I have just listened to this on audio podcasts, and let me say this could be a whole new genre for the rest is team. The Rest is Lifestyle where celebrity spouses/partners reveal the truth about their significant famous other’s quirks and habits. I have tears rolling down my face. Keep this going please!!!!
Great episode -loving Bookshelf Gate! I think whatever profession or industry you are in, whenever you see it portrayed on screen in a drama it really grinds your gears! As a retired teacher I can be completely ejected from the on-screen world when teachers are shown arriving at school at the same time as the students, leavig their jobs with minimal or no notice on a whim (at some points in the school year you have to give 3 months notice if you want to quit) or - and this is the Big One - walking around clutching a hot drink in an unlidded cup!!!!!
I saw that clip of Umberto Eco's library of many thousands of books, and I noticed that a lot of them had their spine facing inwards, so you couldn't see what they are. Now, that's a system.
In Bournemouth we had Zoo and Cage, Berlins and the Opera House. For the Alternative crowd we had the Villa and Club X. Great nights out in the late nineties!
The way Richard talks about size at 22:10 and then his giant hand appears in the foreground. I had to rewatch cause I thought the editor was having a laugh.
In Bournemouth, the nightclub Zig Zag opened in 1984 and closed in 1991 when both itself and the adjacent Clouds nightclub - Zoo & Cage opened - complete with large cages that you could climb into for a dance. Since 2014, it’s been the home of Cameo Bournemouth.
Marina is so spot on about club culture, I ran a event in a small pub where we converted it to a night club for one night every 3 months and we were killed off because of the pandemic we tried to run events after but the crowds changed and more people held off to go to bigger events rather than support their local artists.
It must be ingrained. I remember a McLaren designer describing the shape of their car as a “Coke bottle” before saying “of course other soft drinks are available”.
In 1980's Bradford, Yorkshire, there was Time & Place, Dukes and Silks and Cavernes. Time & Place had 3 rooms and 3 DJ's playing different styles of music. Cavernes was next to a Greek restaurant and was decorated like a Mediterranean cave. I spent a lot of fun nights with friends and colleagues in all 3. Also I was a police officer so I spent quite a bit of time dealing with drunks there too. Happy days! Now my son is a bouncer in Leeds. There are mostly late night and all night bars, not many of them seem to be like the disco's of the past. One he works at is a Turkish restaurant bar which is open until 3am. There still seems to be a fairly thriving night scene in Leeds but it is a University town.
After my toddler son decided his hobby was to throw all of the books on the floor EVERY DAY the idea of sorting them out horrifies me now. I have no idea where any of my books are and I'm happy with that!
My grandfather was a typesetter and later in his career, a compositor; beginning on hot metal presses, but moving on to phototypesetting and the digital towards the end of his career, and he would sometimes bemoan the quality of mocked up newspapers in film and TV. In general, the more he enjoyed everything else, the more forgiving he would be to those details.
Nice to hear Club UK get a mention, props to Marina for name dropping that one. Funnily enough it's a Pure Gym now so essentially still sweaty people in tight clothes necking water and dancing around to repetitive beats, just not until 6 in the morning.
1:27 Richard's lawyers, By and Large 16:05 Richard's means of filing books, "by and large" = put those of the same size together 21:49 another shoutout for his means of filing books
In Pontypridd we had the Georgian In the 60s which became Gingers in the 70s. We also had Fawlty Towers and the Beech Tree. Just up the road in Porth was Charmonds. Nowadays it’s Eclipse, Ice and Platform 11.
A couple of great 90's night club names from Ireland, there was one on the outskirts of suburban Dublin called Steers, which ironically is a castrated male. Another was Tomangoes which made no sense other than it rhymed with the line 'where the gang still goes' in their radio ad.
Seems unlikely a psychopath would have either a binge eating disorder or an emotional issue based on people mentioning his height. His demons are all far too based on emotional issues for him to be psychopathic.
Always thought why the BBC put the ‘other chocolate bars are available’ but then we pay for Graham Norton to promote The Rocks new film for 20 minutes on prime time Friday viewing….. and then thank him for letting him promote it 😂
Hmm....I wonder if shows like Norton get away with it because they aren't doing the actual promotion. That star is doing the promotion, the show is just the platform. Or maybe chat shows aren't covered by the same rules because of the nature of the show, like Richard mentioning the chocolate bars, as long as it's not just one thing being promoted then it's okay.
Two night clubs I remember from the 80s in Southampton were Peggy Sue's and Barbarellas. Usually on student nights when it was £1 a pint. In Sydney, we clubbed at the Sapphire Lounge in King's Cross when we weren't at the Rex.
Marina's night club monologues were perfect
Perfection
I thought she was going to break into the first verse of Ebenezzer Good...epic!
Tuxedo Junction / TJ's? That's some esoteric knowledge if you're not from Eastbourne.
Is Marina a Roedean girl?
She hits the nail right on the head regarding the scope of old school clubbing, in its many forms, and it's demise.
She made so much sense
Perfect would be if they could edit out Richard's speed-bump interruptions!
Marina ain't wrong regarding clubs. My respect on her knowledge base is ever increasing. Preach!
I have to say this is the first time I have really seen Richard and Marina having a real difference of opinion! I really enjoyed the slightly more adversarial chat!!! ❤
This is honestly the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. I just cannot believe the passion that people have when it comes to organising their books
My God what an episode! Rob Beckett pops in from next door like a miracle, and that's not even the main draw of the ep. Marina's drug lecture and bookshelfgate
"I'm sorry, why would you organise books so they cannot be easily retrieved?"
*SLOW push in on VERY uncomfortable Richard*
Genius editing!!! made me laugh so much
Marina rocks this podcast every week, but her thoughts around the predicted end of clubs in this week's episode are another level. The passion. The honesty. The hands 🙌 !! Keep it up, Marina. Legendary!
It was perfect
I had a little accident in my pants.
Marina, absolutely bang on about clubs. Nailed it. This woman speaks the cultural truth.
Lol. Came here to say the opposite. Clubs are not going out of business because of "booths"😂. It's because people mostly went to clubs to drink alcohol and hook up with people. Younger people don't drink anywhere near as much as previous generations and they use apps for their hookups. Bars all over Europe are dying too. It's part of a wider trend. She's clueless.
@@peelben Both could be true.
@@HawthornSpindle I have no difficulty believing clubs have got worse but they've always been shit. We used to put up with the overpriced drinks and shit music because that's just what we all did and there was no tinder. Some convinced themselves they actually liked it and some just went along with it but clubs closing down really isn't much of a loss.
Marina’s modern sermon on drugs and clubs - books and bookshelves. Someone to lead us and use us! Gets my vote.
Loss of nightclubs...online dating. When we used to go out meeting someone on the dancefloor was part of the adventure.
I loved going to a club called Pier Pressure in Aberystwyth. It was, of course, a student club that was on a pier.
That is quite beautiful. Thankyou.
Its right on so many levels, unlike the chinese man that fell down the stairs.
He was Wong on so many levels.
Whoever named that club is my kind of person 😅👏
👏 wow well said Marina, spot on regarding clubs/Ibiza/club-culture/drugs etc. “No soul” pretty much sums it up.
Nice to hear someone talking with passion and honesty about the subject for once!
I have six very different kinds of shelves and the books that fit go on those shelves, that’s the only way.
Wow! That was a heated episode. I laughed the whole way through my pile of ironing- post war shirts first, then trousers, followed by T shirts and Tea towels. Pre war stuff is so tatty, I’ve given up ironing it!😉
How Richard didn't pardon the pun when he said "there's celebrations in the lawyers office" when talking about naming chocolate bars, I will never know!
"the war did change quite a lot of stuff" this is the peak journalism I expect. Love it.
My neighbours think I've lost it, I am CACKLING at the bookshelf discussion.
Wish Richard didn’t keep cutting off Marina during her nightclub monologues, they were fascinating!!
But he's got to get a dad joke in to every other sentence
I think he interupts too much, but, in fairness, in this case she was passionately going down a road that could've got them in trouble lol.
She's epic though.
I've never seen a grown man so uncomfortable discussing clubs and drugs. Clear sign of a psychopath in my book!
I live in a tiny cottage. My books are organised alphabetically by genre, and then alphabetically by author. There are shelves above doors, in the loo, lining entire walls to the (low) ceilings, under window casings, on window sills, in the recess on the staircase. I dream of having a library because I am running into four thousand volumes and I cannot weed. I recognise I am a book hoarder at this stage. Organising by colour or height gives me anxiety. The worst I have seen is turning books around so the spines can't be seen.
I feel this entirely. I'm only at about 2500 odd though, a room or 2 for a library exclusively is the dream. i just stack mine up the walls. by genre n authour. Theres always more books to read :)
Loved the final sign-off when Marina said, 'Let it go...see you next Tuesday'! I assume that was intentional? 🤣🤣🤣
They always say that. 😂
The most heartfelt "see you next Tuesday" from Marina there! 😂
I'm now waiting for the viewers/ listeners to send in photos of their bookshelves.
Pre Slade, Post Slade - as good system as any.😂
Definitely
There was a Tuxedo Junction in Newcastle in the late 80s with telephones. Derby = Pink Coconut around 1990
I could listen to Marina drone on about the dance music scene of the 90’s for ages, let’s hear more of it. Unleash the Kraken
Bookcase organisation: Agree with the system Marina and Captain Gaslight employ. The vibes system is pretty good too.
We've shared our lives together for 3 decades - joint accounts, joint ownership, joint everything, lives fully inter-twinned. Merge the book collections? Are you fudging crazy!! and Winkers in Chalfont St Peter.
I’ll throw my two pence in: I have around 350 books and they’re organised by size because the shelves are different sizes. Apart from that, there’s no organisation at all because I like ‘surprises’ as I look along my shelves! I have my read and unread books separate though and series (like Thursday Murder Club) are obviously together.
funniest ever. love the horses mouth and bookshelves
The Aapulco in Halifax is a legendary club with over fifty years of history (mainly dodgy including the famous Phantom Shitter)
I remember when they auctioned off the Acca carpet bit by bit: can’t believe anyone bought it.
By using the local library I have solved the scourge of books, never read again, clogging up the house
He will go CRAZY when he discovers the Dewey Decimal Classification
I could listen to you 2 arguing about book shelves for far longer than can be normal!!!
My wife organizes book by colour.
I look for them by topic / where I left them.
There is talk of bringing in the Dewey Decimal System
A rare silence. Gold.
clubs used to be a cheap night out in the 90s..couple of white doves and a bottle of water
I feel the need to reorganise my poetry books into pre first world war, post second world war and 1914-1945.
Amazing episode, well done. Loved the nightclub monologue.
Jesus, Marina just said about clubbing exactly what I have been saying. I was a DJ through the 90's, people either drank or chose ecstasy and speed, rarely you would get a bit of coke doing the rounds but you would spot the dickheads doing it a mile off and they were thrown out (unless they were management or other DJs) . I now see those dickheads are in the majority not only ruining nightlife but so many other aspects of everyday life. How has the obligatory white powder become so popular?
Marina's got me fired up!!! I haven't been clubbing for 20 years, but i'm well up for a large one...
My favourite regional 80's nightclub was called Scandals - Richard wouldn't even have been able to stand up in there! It lived up to its name.
And well said Marina, excellent explanation of why nightclubs are dying.
As a student in Bath in the early-mid 80s a popular venue was 'The Island Club', but as it was subterranean repurposed public conveniences; it was generally known as 'The Bog Island Club'. As for bookshelves: a large one double stacked with Sci-Fi, the others a hybrid between Richard and Marina's 'systems', some size driven, some themed, like travel or general fiction.
"Pre-the War" surely refers the War of the Roses, n'est-ce pas?
Yes, Richard's a psychopath. Now, what's this thing about books?
The best one was when bake off was calling Pimms summer cup.
Camberley in Surrey had one called Joe Bananas back in the 90’s.
the bookcase discussion is giving me life... best this year
80s/90s club in Burnley called Mean Cat Daddies!! They did the 10p pints 1 night a week!
I love you, Marina! Your passionate views/rants on night clubs and that whole scene are spot on. I'm so pleased that I have found this podcast.
Does this mean that books by the same author might be in different bookshelves? That sounds nuts to me.
The slow zoom in was a slaughter.
Top rant Marina! On fire 🔥
I have just listened to this on audio podcasts, and let me say this could be a whole new genre for the rest is team. The Rest is Lifestyle where celebrity spouses/partners reveal the truth about their significant famous other’s quirks and habits. I have tears rolling down my face. Keep this going please!!!!
Charles Dickens used to go around cemeteries to look for character names and he had a lot of great names.
70’s 80’s night clubs. BRILL!
Provincial 80s nightclub name: Reflections
(in Dovercourt, Essex)
"Bottle Service" should be the name of the new TRiE paid tier.
Great episode -loving Bookshelf Gate!
I think whatever profession or industry you are in, whenever you see it portrayed on screen in a drama it really grinds your gears!
As a retired teacher I can be completely ejected from the on-screen world when teachers are shown arriving at school at the same time as the students, leavig their jobs with minimal or no notice on a whim (at some points in the school year you have to give 3 months notice if you want to quit) or - and this is the Big One - walking around clutching a hot drink in an unlidded cup!!!!!
I saw that clip of Umberto Eco's library of many thousands of books, and I noticed that a lot of them had their spine facing inwards, so you couldn't see what they are. Now, that's a system.
I like to take a shot every time Richard says ‘by and large’ - am only a little bit tipsy.
Crumbs, this really is moving on to another level. Joy. (Ps I got a lotta books and only I could ever understand the way they're organised).
My favorite clubs in the 90s in Tampa, FL were Yucatan Liquor Stand, London Victory Club and Masquerades
In Bournemouth we had Zoo and Cage, Berlins and the Opera House. For the Alternative crowd we had the Villa and Club X. Great nights out in the late nineties!
My ‘nightclub’ in the 70s in Blackpool was the multi floored Mecca - with the tradition of Northern Soul
The way Richard talks about size at 22:10 and then his giant hand appears in the foreground. I had to rewatch cause I thought the editor was having a laugh.
In Bournemouth, the nightclub Zig Zag opened in 1984 and closed in 1991 when both itself and the adjacent Clouds nightclub - Zoo & Cage opened - complete with large cages that you could climb into for a dance. Since 2014, it’s been the home of Cameo Bournemouth.
Why did it feel like the C U next Tuesdays were aimed at each other this week? 😂
I aged out of a certain type of nightcub a long time ago, I had no idea about the bottle thing. It sounds like Frankie & Benny's.
Marina is so spot on about club culture, I ran a event in a small pub where we converted it to a night club for one night every 3 months and we were killed off because of the pandemic we tried to run events after but the crowds changed and more people held off to go to bigger events rather than support their local artists.
It must be ingrained. I remember a McLaren designer describing the shape of their car as a “Coke bottle” before saying “of course other soft drinks are available”.
i don't own a book shelf, life's too short.
It's all kicking off!! 😂
Top 3 80’s small town nightclub names.
Start at number 7
Marina name dropping Club UK wasn't on today's bingo card.
So, what happens to books published during the war?
The most popular nightclub in Kettering was Reflections, I think. We use to call it Fleckies.
We all called it Rejections!
Why not just arrange books by genre, i.e. sport, music, non-fiction. No gaslighting in this house!
In 1980's Bradford, Yorkshire, there was Time & Place, Dukes and Silks and Cavernes. Time & Place had 3 rooms and 3 DJ's playing different styles of music. Cavernes was next to a Greek restaurant and was decorated like a Mediterranean cave. I spent a lot of fun nights with friends and colleagues in all 3. Also I was a police officer so I spent quite a bit of time dealing with drunks there too. Happy days! Now my son is a bouncer in Leeds. There are mostly late night and all night bars, not many of them seem to be like the disco's of the past. One he works at is a Turkish restaurant bar which is open until 3am. There still seems to be a fairly thriving night scene in Leeds but it is a University town.
I used to do my nightclubbing in Kettering, Richard. ‘Bertie’s’ under the Royal Hotel mainly. More 80’s than 90’s. 😊
What a brilliant episode!
After my toddler son decided his hobby was to throw all of the books on the floor EVERY DAY the idea of sorting them out horrifies me now. I have no idea where any of my books are and I'm happy with that!
Sounds like Marina was a groupie with Happy Mondays for how knowledgeable she was on the 90's nightclub scene.
Surely with all that chocolate, you’d have a selection box, not a variety pack!😎
Nightclubs in Essex in the 80s - The Pink Toothbrush (fab live music as well as indie music scene), TOTS (Talk of the South), Dukes
My grandfather was a typesetter and later in his career, a compositor; beginning on hot metal presses, but moving on to phototypesetting and the digital towards the end of his career, and he would sometimes bemoan the quality of mocked up newspapers in film and TV. In general, the more he enjoyed everything else, the more forgiving he would be to those details.
Nice to hear Club UK get a mention, props to Marina for name dropping that one. Funnily enough it's a Pure Gym now so essentially still sweaty people in tight clothes necking water and dancing around to repetitive beats, just not until 6 in the morning.
Amadeus and ikon/jumpin jaks (can’t remember which one was where in lockmeadow) are both bowling alleys now
I honestly can’t keep up with all the book recommendations 😮 I mean, keep them coming but my little piece of plastic is taking a beating 😅😂
1:27 Richard's lawyers, By and Large
16:05 Richard's means of filing books, "by and large" = put those of the same size together
21:49 another shoutout for his means of filing books
In Pontypridd we had the Georgian In the 60s which became Gingers in the 70s. We also had Fawlty Towers and the Beech Tree. Just up the road in Porth was Charmonds. Nowadays it’s Eclipse, Ice and Platform 11.
I bet Marina used to love the odd dove or two!
Club 1980’s The London Hippodrome - still have a branded shirt.
I generally do it by authors which I swing between depending on how I feel after what I have last read. Once read, I donate to a local charity.
A couple of great 90's night club names from Ireland, there was one on the outskirts of suburban Dublin called Steers, which ironically is a castrated male. Another was Tomangoes which made no sense other than it rhymed with the line 'where the gang still goes' in their radio ad.
In Dover it was 'Images' nightclub and Nu Age (locally known as 'No Age'). It was very easy to get in at age 15 in the 90's....ah the sticky floors!
A sociopath at best but certainly not a psychopath!
Seems unlikely a psychopath would have either a binge eating disorder or an emotional issue based on people mentioning his height. His demons are all far too based on emotional issues for him to be psychopathic.
Always thought why the BBC put the ‘other chocolate bars are available’ but then we pay for Graham Norton to promote The Rocks new film for 20 minutes on prime time Friday viewing….. and then thank him for letting him promote it 😂
Hmm....I wonder if shows like Norton get away with it because they aren't doing the actual promotion. That star is doing the promotion, the show is just the platform. Or maybe chat shows aren't covered by the same rules because of the nature of the show, like Richard mentioning the chocolate bars, as long as it's not just one thing being promoted then it's okay.
Graeme is not giving undue prominence to the movie as he mentions many other movies during the course of the season.
Marina is a clubber. Oi, oi, sorted!
THE WORLD Has Spoken: Richard’s NOT a Psychopath! Marina...
Tramps, Sin & Velvet Lounge in Worcester 😂
Two night clubs I remember from the 80s in Southampton were Peggy Sue's and Barbarellas. Usually on student nights when it was £1 a pint. In Sydney, we clubbed at the Sapphire Lounge in King's Cross when we weren't at the Rex.