Ryanair B738 has WHEEL WELL FIRE INDICATION after landing at Dublin
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Ryanair B738 performing flight from London to Dublin had just landed on runway 28L when the pilots declared MAYDAY reporting a wheel well fire indication and would stop on the runway.
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*For those wondering why they didn’t shut down the engines immediately or evacuate without losing time:*
- The evacuation checklist begins with “Condition: Evacuation is needed”. This means you must analyse the situation and decide as crew if it is needed or not. Sometimes a fire indication can be erroneous and lead to serious injury for no reason.
- You would not shut down the engines without the APU running, otherwise you’d lose electric power and end up with a dark cabin. APU takes about 2 minutes to start up and stabilise.
- Shutting down the engines on the runway means you are blocking the active. However, after an inspection confirming no presence of fire, you can possibly taxi off the runway.
“Sit on your hands” is a wise saying in aviation - think before you act.
I've heard that pilots try to avoid evc whenever possible for that very reason
If there was a case of 'sit on your hands' - it is definitely this situation.
There should be at least 30min of emergency battery power with the engines off no?
@@rilmar2137 plus slides are expensive
@@Chris56456 Cabin will be dark, battery only supply power to avionics and emergency lights.
Yeah, so they either evacuate for nothing and get blamed for minor injuries (sprained ankles,..) and major inconvenience.
Or they taxi to the gate, starting to burn, and getting blamed for underestimating the hidden issue.
And even when everything is fine, then getting blamed on youtube for the decision making process, where everyone seems to be better at shutting down engines. :-D
When did the RUclips comment section become the official aviation authority that anyone should care about?
@@CaptureKing247 Yep, I actually thought the same, until someone in here mentioned possible medial reputation damage for airlines. People talk bad with wrong reasons, people listen, people fly.
I mean just think about Ryanair. One of the safest airlines, but seemingly a running joke when it comes to safety.
What's so wrong with shutting down engines and double checking wheel well to be sure that all is safe? :)
@@andy-ally Well, some people in here seem to be faster and much more coordinated with doing so. :-D
A lot of commenters just don’t understand what the pilot had to think on here.
He was told right off the bat no visible smoke/fire.
He knows if he launches those slides that plane is grounded for a while and the chances of passengers getting injured using them is high. If he does that when he didn’t need to and people get hurt (which they will) it’s his arse that will be handed to him on a plate.
I don’t doubt for one second that if anyone saw a hint of smoke or flames he wouldn’t have hesitated to shut down and evacuate that plane.
He rightfully had evacuation in his mind ready as a ‘if we have to we will’ and by mentioning it to the tower they can warn surrounding vehicles to anticipate panicked passengers running all over the runway.
A lot of people are saying he needed to make a decision but he had made a decision right from the start ‘we will evacuate IF it becomes necessary’
plus there is no fire extinguisher in the wheel well(to put out fire in the wheel well to be exact). It's a tricky situation, i understand that the captain is a bit in a dilemma.
Pilots are dependent on cockpit indicators, and outsider verification. The emergency team are hesitant to approach a running aircraft on suspicion of fire. Wheel well fires are bad as they are very close to fuel tanks usually. I used to work launch and recovery in the USAF for F111 aircraft so I am well aware these issues. I used to have to go into the main wheel well to check system. Integrity visually. It's dangerous around running engines.
Also, if there is a wheel fire, the water in foam is bad news. Water actually makes metal fires worse. DCP extinguishers are required.
They could just came in close with vehicles
3:21 - "Tower, Rescue 2, I'm going to get a Thermal Imaging camera out over to crew to have a look"
Thats a good catch!
I use them regularly. A really cheap model can provide enough information to locate abnormal hot spots on the undercarriage in a matter of a few seconds. provided that the engine blast is not in the way and the user have had a little training to avoid basic mistakes. It should be mandatory for all fire trucks and some restaurants I know.
@@atzuras even rural volunteer fire service units have them.
@@Markus-zb5zd I can confirm this as a volunteer firefighter
@@Markus-zb5zd can confirm. My department just dropped 30k on 5 thermal cams. Things are extremely helpful in so many situations
I remember something one of my profs said. Evacuation is one of the toughest decisions you’ll make in the airlines. You shouldn’t do it unless it’s absolutely necessary since people will get hurt evacuating.
FF: Oh, you want us to get OUT and take a look......🙄
Exactly.
They were happy to do so once the engines were shut down. Can hardly blame them for not wanting to become part of the jet blast.
no one in their right mind walks up to the landing gear of a plane while its engine is running
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Hahaha I had to laugh at your jokes and thought that was pretty cool of you - but whatever are you talking about?!?😃
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I have a friend called Ryan Eyre. I remind him how amusing that fact is to me on a regular basis.
I can see how a Greyhound and Ryan Eyre would become friends. - haha
I just want to tell you both good luck. We are all counting on you.
Surely you can't be serious?
we have a fire indication beeping and blinking and flashing
@@VisualApproach Don't call me Shirley!
I suspect, for one reason or another, they had too much wheel braking power. Got the wheels too hot. But that's just an educated guess.
For those who are curious, in a layman's terms explanation, the fire loop systems on commercial planes are what are called "thermocouple" systems. An electrical source is connected to one end of the loop. And the electric-powered alarm triggering mechanism at the other end of the loop.
As the loop materials heat up, they become less and less resistive to the current.
If they get hot enough, the current can pass all the way through them, and trigger the alarm mechanism, setting off the alarm.
@4:35 it's "smoke from the tire", not tower.
Ladies and gentleman, this is your cptn speaking, you were just less thn one milimeter from sliding down that rubber thing.
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Who is it that I can mention him
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Why do I love the Irish accent so much
A bit of a communication problem that could have had serious consequences. The fire indication was in the wheel well, but the trucks were looking for fire on the undercarriage (where it's more likely to be). It's understandable, but it should have been corrected.
Some emergency handling is awe inspiring. This one doesn’t fill me with confidence!
It's official, I've spent too much time on vatsim. I heard RYR8B and thought "oh, that's the Stansted flight". hahah
I like how the message of a wheel well fire got changed into an undercarriage fire....two totally different things. Undercarriage fires can usually be seen from distance, a wheel well fire would involve sticking your head in there to find out.
This was a joke, correct?, Fire indication, sits on the runway, engines running, expects fire crew to approach the aircraft, not sure wether to evacuate, but decides to wait longer, finally shuts down. Reminds me of the L-1011 at Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Aircraft on fire,, but pilots never shut down the engines.
I agree - this seems a bit of a shambles from the flight crew. Also, some airport fire services are able to measure temperature from a distance (infra red?) - I guess this was not available.
@@johncassels3475 Interesting to do, But quite a lot of heat emanating from the engines, whoever handles the sensors, must be very accurate pointing it directly towards the wheel wells.
Can you see up inside the Wheel well without being right underneath?
@@JimWhitaker - We need some aircraft techs to answer that. Are there any that would share their expertise?
Oh dear, stops on runway but keeps 2 huge hairdryers running then thinks he might evacuate random people all over the runway after being informed twice that there is no sign of fire. Captain is in charge after he calls a mayday and should direct operations based on the evidence!
I'm on the pilots side here, he's in a no win situation & nobody seems to want to take a closer look for him
Yes. The fire crews were given permission to enter the runway, but didn't seem to have permission to get out and have a closer look, or if necessary ask the aircraft to shut down the engines. The tower didn't think of telling them what to do.
While everyone was waiting for everyone else to make up their minds, the pilots knew that fast action is required if there is a risk of fire, so reluctantly decided to evacuate the aircraft. Just in time the rest finally made up their minds to ask for the engines to be shut down so they could have a closer look.
@@evaluateanalysis7974 Yes it was a cockup by the ground services, time is the essence with fire. Look at the Manchester Airtours disaster.
What to do here, this is a tough call. Here I think there are two equally reasonable choices, first just evacuate,; second, prepare to evacuate and get a gear-well inspection. My problem with this incident is that they did not seem to do either. Nobody would fault the crew here if they immediately started an evacuation. It would also be reasonable to configure the aircraft for an evacuation (engines off, spoilers down, flaps extended), establish communication with the cabin and wait a reasonable amount of time for an inspection. Instead, it sounds like they sat there with the engines running. Nobody is getting anywhere near the wheel-well if you have the engines running. Also contributing to the confusion was that the fire trucks/tower had a slight but significant misunderstanding of the nature of the emergency. Everybody kept talking about the landing gear but what the pilot needed to know was if there was a fire in the landing-gear WELL...similar words, but a different area of the airplane. Also, an area where you could imagine a fire that could exist and not be readily apparent from the outside.
Good point. It's not about pushing for evacuation, but getting ready for it just in case to save precious time. It looked like they were willing fire brigade will be able to see inside wheel well without approaching so there is no need to shut down engines...In the end it was the only option if they wanted to be sure.
Hey, Vasaviation, are you working on a video for flight 2292? The flight that saw the UFO. It's an American Airlines flight from Kentucky to Arizona.
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Amazing graphics. I looked up the airport on the map and the graphics were exactly as on the map. Well done, also thanks to VASAviation. Thanks great work.
On a side note, the airport was designed on MS Paint.
4:33 “that could just be smoke from the tyre”
All i was think is:
is he going to shut down the engines anytime soon, if he wana evc ?
Or maybe make it possible for the firefighters to take a look from below?
Exactly. A bit to much hesitation. They wanted a quick answer from Tower and Rescue, but I think they could help more by shutting down engines right away and saving some time.
@@andy-ally it’s not hesitation, it is careful consideration. When flying passenger aircraft its better to proceed with caution when you can.
@@andy-ally shutting engines doen immediatly is not an option. APU needs about 2 minutes to start up and with no visible smoke or fire from rescue or tower that would have been to much
@@JWx31, can you advise what you mean by saying "that would have been too much"? Anyway, they wanted to be safe and asked ops to double check the wheel well. It is good decision. So they needed to shut down engines anyway.
@@andy-ally Because that would lead to electrics going off since need the APU to power up, also continues blocking the runway. No smoke was seen so no point causing a major incident by shutting engines down on a international airport, much better and safer if theres a possibility to taxi to either a ramp or just off the runway. If there was a fire or risk to passengers he clearly was ready to make the evac order.
I'm confused about the exchange (paraphrased). Can you take a closer look? We don't see anything obvious. Can you take a closer look? We can't see anything from here. Is that a no?
1:52 "There's no smoke at all visible from your undercarriage" - if you want to update the captions.
He went from evacuate to taxi in real quick
Please look for a fire damn it.
"Seamus! Is dat fire small, or far away?"
4:33 “smoke from a tire", not tower
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Better safe than sorry. Job well done by all.
Glad they didn't evacuate, it would have been expensive for the passengers.
Wow
No,sorry. This is an ongoing fire indication.
Do the safest thing and get out.
will they charge the passengers of requesting emergency vehicles?
Some Say they are still looking closely at the undercarriage..
Maybe shut down the engines if you want the fire fighters under the wings looking in your wheel wells, or if you’re thinking about evacuating?? Chances are the airport might have a tug to pull you to the gate after... sheesh.... Ryan Air.....
They will probably not go to a gate, and likely have no contract for tug service. It is Ryanair, after all.
Yeah, it’s a bit more complicated then that buddy. There’s a number of factors they need to take into consideration... and then the implication that these pilots are somehow less competent because they fly for Ryanair is ridiculous.
Ex Ryanair pilot here. Ryanair pilot training is amongst the best in the world, so much so that Emirates happily take on hundreds of Ryanair pilots every year because they're aware of the high training standards there.
Considering it wasn't the most pleasant experience working there, the fact I'm telling you this should speak volumes.
Cheers.
@@Jonny94669likewise 👍🤝
Seems very messy,one engine shout of been shut off fire crew check wheel well no issues.Faulty indication.
Not an expert, but I get the impression the flight crew and inspection crew really didn't know how to handle this situation. Too much hesitation, standing by...
Thought the exact same thing. Can anybody chime in and say if this was proper procedure?
Yeah, it seemed like a lot of indecision. I think if it gets to the point where you're wondering "should we evacuate?" you should evacuate to err on the side of caution. It's better to shut down a runway than end up with a fire that kills or injures people.
You have to keep in mind that evacuation is a very severe measure and it's very common for people to get injured while evacuating. If everything but one light is saying you are fine you might not want to risk injuring passengers during evacuation
@@elliot1750 Boeing checklist only contemplates this light coming on in the air. The scenario that is contemplated is that you took off with hot-brakes and put the wheels up into the well and set off the detectors. The checklist calls for you to put the gear down and land. The light coming on during rollout is not what is trained/contemplated so I think that is where the confusion. I think the crew thought that this was a mechanical malfunction...but had a nagging voice in their head telling them that it might not be. I think that is why there was so much hesitation and indecision. I think they were fighting their instinct to just taxi to the gate so they decided to be cautious...but not really.
Ryanir used to fly their crews 900-1000hrs a year. So a 19yr old could get a Command at 25. Ryanair buy brand new planes so little goes wrong with them. Its just the low cost way
Absolutely frustrating. Fire rescue and tower sucked here. It’s not about seeing smoke. Get your ass there and look into the fire wall ASAP. Poor pilots are helpless.
With running engines? I get they're brave, but that's not the same as suicidal...
Next time you try to be a smart ass, don't because it makes you seem like an idiot. What do you want them to do go under while the engines are still running?
@@Daniel-td1kr Me? A smart ass? Never. LOL
You should know damn well there could be a fire without visible smoke from across the runway. The pilots are asking if there’s a fire. In response, we get an emergency personal, who’s not on scene yet replying casually that there’s “no smoke”. That’s not what the pilot asked.
4 inflatable chutes were saved.
When I saw rynair on the thumbnail I knew what happened
@Spaced Raider a hard landing
That pilot just wanted to evacuate no matter what lol
Pilot seemed anxious, naturally with the warnings in the cockpit not going away but, the fire services and tower did inspect the A/C and no fire etc. present and kept assuring him. That is their job. The pilot was really wanting to get those slides open for business!
Do not put so much trust with what the Tower can see. It was wheel well fire alarm, the best to accurately report on it would be the rescue personnel, if they got up close to the wheel well. And we do not know if they got up in there.
Why do Ryanair flight numbers include letters (for example, 8B)? Or is that all European carriers? It's not something I see in the U.S.
Quite common here in Europe. The flight number doesn’t have letters (it’s a number), but the designated callsign does.
In this case:
Flight number: FR205
Callsign: RYR8B
More likely ICAO thing, makes it easier to make the callsigns different, so less likely to get similar ones at the same time.
@@csgergo80 also in America you read 4-number callsigns like this: “Cactus fifteen forty-nine”
In the Europe that’s not allowed, you’d read it as “Cactus one five four niner” which of course is a little too long for a callsign.
Adding letters allows for shorter and more practical callsigns
@@gabrielstraus4116 Or "fifteen thirty-nine" or "fifteen twenty-nine," as the situation worsens
Seems to be a global problem getting fire crews to actually get out of the truck and inspect the landing gear.
I think this should be on further training to ensure pilots that this is not what to do in an emergency situation. The pilots should have shut the engines down so the fire crew can check the aircraft. The pilots also said they were going to evacuate on the runway and didn't. Good job all turned out well in the end.
Couldn't agree more. Even though it looks like there is no Boeing procedure for ground procedures during wheel well fire, but shutting down the engines, configuring aircraft for evacuation (in case evacuation will be needed) and close inspection by rescue ops would be a good first step.
Does anyone know the date this happened or aircraft REg?- don’t worry found it
Its Ryanair what do i expect
Sounds like flightdeck2sim.
Surely the smoke detector in the wheel well was triggered by the slamming of the plane into the ground, causing smoke from the tyres to enter the wheel well? Case closed.
It's not a smoke detector
And the smoke from the tires isn't caused by slamming down the aircraft
As so often.. smoke detection malfunction
but there was smoke as the tower confirmed
This is not a smoke detector...it's a fire loop similar to a loop in the engine.
Of course they were desperate to evacuate, it’s £3 per person on the slides……
Congrat the pilot for common sense .
Not so suprised they don’t use reverse when they land only brakes ...
Balls
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ATC: hold my Guinness. Looks like we got another case from Ryanair.
B738? That’s illegal
1:51: " There's no smoke at all visible from your undercarriage [...]
4:32: "That could just be the smoke from the tire(s), but it's good to know anyway
21 feb. 2021
Stop using copy only photocopiers copy.Use Roger or Wilco
Kudos to the fire trucks for approaching the aircraft from behind.
Otherwise the passengers would be losing their minds!
You don’t ever approach a wheel fire from the side, because when they explode it fires out to the side
Que all the aviation experts!!
When it comes to 737 fire/overheat warning systems, I am glad to be of service.
Literally everyone is telling him there's no fire. Pilot was getting a bit jumpy there...which is ok... better to be safe than sorry. At some point it seems like they are just trying to deescalate the pilot more than anything else. He reeeeeally wanted to evacuate that plane even after people are telling him they don't see anything. Settle down there Captain Sully.
The possibility for a hidden wheelwell fire were there, wich wouldnt necessarily be vicible from a firetruck. The correct procedure here would be for a firefighter to inspect the wheelwell.
Serious Communications failure.
It seems a Wheel Well Fire is different from an 'Undercarriage' fire situation.
Isn't Ryanair notorious for barely using any reverse thrust? Maybe they pressed the brake pedal a little too hard LOL
I've been on one of their flights when the pilot gave it everything he/she could in reverse thrust. The passengers did not appreciate it, lot of concerned gasping and a couple of older passengers needed to be helped off the aircraft as the landing injured them.
@@restojon1 - Jay, very interesting, were the pax strapped in? or were they walking down the aisle before the aircraft vacated the runway? If they were injured in their seats, that was no landing, but a controlled flight into the ground!
Due to noise abatement procedures, unless otherwise required, only idle reverse thrust is usually applied.
I've flown many times with them to and from Málaga (AGP), nothing out of the ordinary with the reversers, if anything, rather expedite braking and runway vacations.
You realise that using reverse thrust reduces the expensive brake maintenance? fuel is cheap.
All those millions spent, and the airplane can't indicate which side...
Shut the engines down. What on earth was he at?
Pilots seemed to be completely incapable of taking a decision. And that’s worrying, ngl
That was a shambles!
The worlds gone mad to my old eyes, both the Pilot and the ATC were desperately trying to cover their own own asses by not saying the wrong thing or committing to anything throughout this and that is down to training and the way it is nowadays.
And Ryanair adding an emergency charge to every passenger's fare. And docking the pilots' pay accordingly.
Going down the slides will result in some passengers possibly breaking bones and a lot getting serious ligament injuries, slides are to save life in a dire emergency.
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I'm surprised the pilot just didn't shut the engines down completely so the fire crew could walk up to the plane and look in the wheel wells when they first arrived
The engines generate electrical power to the aircraft. This means the radios and lights inside the cockpit and passenger cabin area would no longer function. A battery backup may have enough power to run some of these things but not all of them or for very long. They could turn on the APU (auxiliary power unit) but that would take a few minutes to get up and running. This is a good example of not acting too hastily and determining the best course of action. If there was an actual fire, I think, there would be a lot of smoke and other visual signs coming out of that wheel well.
@@TheFlyingZulu also if you shut down the engines on a plane its going to be a good while before they can start them again
Yea. Fire services weren’t going to get out under a rolling jet engine to have a look, guys. Pilot needed to shut down first. Tower and rescue did the right thing. It’s the pilot’s decision whether to shut down here.
Heard over Ryan air maintenance frequency Capt that 737 needs to be in Rome in 5 min. The fire brigade told you no fire so if you evacuate on the runway you and your co-pilot will be looking for a new job after you repack the slides.
Glad everyone is safe, but also Ryanair is the freaking worst. I'm 6 foot 5 inches tall and they have some of the worst leg room of any plane I've sat in, they played advertisements over the intercom ever 5 minutes, their check in desks were total chaos, not to mention you pay extra for everything... My girlfriend and I sat separately rather than pay to sit together out of principle
It is well known, when travelling by air, the size of your wallet decides the airline you select to fly on.
@@rubenvillanueva8635 Not really, after all the surcharges, silliness and having to commute to an 'airfield' that is further away you end up paying the same as with a legacy carrier. Not to mention if you were to have any problem.
You're not "paying extra" for those things. Travelers without checked luggage and who bring their own food are being offered a lower fare. Economics 101.
@@furyofbongos fair enough... But not when after all those fees amount to an equal or greater charge compared to other airlines who include those things in the price while offering a much better overall experience. I know other airlines do it, but pay to sit together when you book two tickets? That is the most obnoxious cash grab
@@amechanicalengineer4088 Get a grip pal, we live in a time where you can travel across Europe for literally the same price as a taxi into your city, and you're going to have the audacity to complain about leg room or not sitting together? What a sad world we live in. People expecting 5 star service at a 1 star cost.
Typical landing for Ryanair
Nothing special 😂
Ryan air wheels on fire. The wsy they land usually they're lucky the tires still existed.
Teamwork is great, except when it isn't and nobody seems to know what they are doing. Evacuate! No ... um ... can you see smoke? Evacuate! Or not. Hmmm. Evacuate! Fire trucks did you bring a thermal camera. Er, no. Why would we do that for a possible fire? I know, lets Evacuate!
I guess that delay in evacuating was caused by the extra charge they had to collect for using the emergency slides.
shut off engines get the hell out of there , Safety First rescue was there , talk about it later
Have you ever been in an airplane evaluation? It’s only ever used as a last resort.
Much indecision here from the pilots. A faint heart never won a fare lady. Make a decision!
They did decide on the information they got. Not evacuating IS a decision. Though it seems they were one call from tower or fire services or cabin crew away from doing so.
If anyone saw fire, debris, something that looks like fire or anything remotely weird... They would've run the evac checklists down. Which includes shutting down engines.
Ryanair? More like Ryanfiair (you know, pronounced like fire :D, I'll see myself out)
First
Negative...
nobody cares!
Wheel well fires are super dangerous, good for triple checking here and being ready to evacuate.
Automatic captions turns "turntotheleft" into "turtleneck" ;-)
I would do the same without context.
The pilot consistently referred to a fire indication in the wheel-well. The tower consistently referred to the undercarriage. There is a significant difference! This sort of miscommunication could be critical.
Agreed. I don’t understand why the tower and fire crew need to translate the pilots words. Wheel well is clearly not wheel, tire, or undercarriage. Sheesh...
And it look like that pilots missed first report of the smoke from tower when they asked if tower can see anything because the when the second time tower advised that there was some smoke on rollout it sounded for me that pilot was surprised as if the tower only now decided to tell them. Could be wrong interpretation though.
I think both were accurate and they both knew exactly what the differences were -- I'd call it the best possible communication under the circumstances. Tower of course cannot see the wheel wells proper, but offered the best information he had available.
Dont flare, dont care - Fly raynair
So difficult to make a closer look
Huge miscommunication here. It was much too late when the crew finally said that the wheel well needed to be inspected for fire. The initial MAYDAY call correctly identified the indication, but tower and CFR did not know the difference between a landing gear/wheel fire and a wheel well fire. As far as whether there was an actual fire, the 737 NG and later engine and APU fire warning detectors are of a type which make an erroneous indication of a fire so unlikely that it can almost be discounted. If the engine or APU says fire, you have a fire. The wheel well fire detectors, however, are still of an earlier type that can, rarely, fail in such a way that a false fire indication results. The captain should have shut down the engines immediately and directed CFR to the main wheel wells. This could have been handled much better.
That fire bell sounds like my 40-year-old wind-up alarm clock. RIIINNNGGGGGGGGGGGG
that european phraseology is a caress for the heart. great work by the controller and rescue services. the pilot must have really been concerned because you wouldn't just casually throw around the word "evacuation"
That sounds like very inefficient communication. Pilots clearly want the fire fighters to go check the wheels.
Around 4:30 I think what they said actually was "Okay thank you very much, that's copied. That could just be the smoke from the tires that burst here, good to know anyway."
holy indecision, batman
Well, if there is an actual fire you obviously want to evacuate and not take any risks, but at the same time, people tend to get injuries during evacuation, so it's not something you want to do if you can avoid it. It's not an easy call
When you stick a bunch of 70+ year olds down slides at least one will end up with life changing injuries. You really dont take this decision lightly.
@@bretspencer - I like this, what is the price of a human life?. Profits, seem to rule.
Is the date right? Simply flying quoted it as happing on the 21st
Very good call guys.....nice job!