Tips for beginners #1 (greedy is bad)
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Short and on topic, easy tips for shogi beginners. Today we start with openings, double static rook trap.
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I just started playing shogi and this entire series is very insightful for learning early game and castling. Thanks!
This is a great video, I love the 'opening principles' style for beginners, it's great as an inexperienced player coming to shogi from chess!
Finally a good video that doesnt go straigh to all of the openings w/o explaining what eatch move does.
Yooo a video? I hope this trend continues.
you know what they say, one point makes a trend
Kiriyu adventures introduced me to this world. The worst thing for me is reforming my knowledge about chess.
Chess knowledge can be helpful but yeah... Pawns are not the same
@@ShogiHarbour yeah shogi is much more. Something apart from what I know about chess.
I was looking for a guide on how to play Shogi, thank you!
Just started my shogi journey, looking forward to watching this whole series 😁
Welcome :) don't forget to check out discord
It seems like a simple thing to see, but here I was trapped many times without a way to understand how I could survive. Now, because of your video, I stopped losing repeatedly. So thank you very much for sharing! :)
Awesome!!!
Thank you, this is very helpful. I'm an experienced player of chess and xiangqi, but I am finding shogi very difficult.
Welcome, feel free to ask any questions!
Great job, Karolina! I love your videos! :)
Thank you for the lessons. I've started learning Shogi a week ago and eventually today I managed to beat lichess lvl1 :)
Congrats :)))
I need these to 100% the yakuza series
Which yakuza game is it? Maybe i should do a tutorial haha
i think its great that you're making this content aimed at beginners, i hope you continue making these videos
Thanks, I updated my Lishogi study.
Picked up this game about three years ago and learnt to play by myself
Great! How did you do that? Books?
@@ShogiHarbour by playing the game
Kept the lines on a phone game for a year or so and started playing.without the lines. But learnt the game through trail and error not to many people in tha U.S know how to play. Only one that I know and I taught him so trying to start a trend back home have everyone playing
@@ShogiHarbour but Naruto is the reason I started lmao well shikamaru
Cool, I started with Naruto as well! We actually have few Americans on our server, if you are interested!
Thanks for the video i love shogi but was lacking knowledge,this vid helps a bit
Today I decided to learn shogi and I hope to get good with it
thank you so much for your work. I was interested in learning and got back into chess. The main difference was that i can't read kanji and its hard to read shogi related articles and know who can actually give good advice. Seeing and getting the reasoning behind some things.
Im very happy i stumbled onto your channel. Hopefully will be able to learn more about it and enjoy it more.
Also im curious. after you learn more and the rules (me). Do you think we should study more end game moves?Or maybe more middle game. As shogi can be rather long if the players don't make any progress and are too persistent... Opening is brief but it can be quite the long game at times.
I'll keep watching your videos and maybe in 4 months will have better questions
Thanks you so much for your kind words!At first.. Practically speaking you will need little of everything. You cannot lose immediately in the opening, nor blunder in the middlegame. If you manage to survive to endgame, understanding how to win the game, how to checkmate will be most crucial as it will directly influence game outcome. So in later stages of learning endgame should be your focus.
after years and years of cheating to get thru shogi in the Yakuza series, I actually tried to play for real and now it's got its hooks in me. But it's still so frustrating. it's so easy to get into a stalemate.
attempting to figure it out myself with no instruction is really fun (it's a lot like solving a puzzle) like I figured out the defense you showcase here on my own. but i quickly get to a point where i'm like "wtf do I do now?", anyway I got to the 6th kyu ai and it seems I've hit a wall.
Sorry, by stalemate you mean?
I always welcome you to share your games on discord where i can take a look and give you pointers!
And welcome to real shogi :)
@@ShogiHarbour Oh stalemate = everything is covered on both sides and I just have no idea where to move.
lol i'd be nervous about posting my games because it's clear I have no clue what I'm doing. Still just playing AIs, I'm up to the "6th Kyu" ai
No need to be nervous, we all were at that level at some point, including myself!
Need this for the yakuza games
Yeah ha ha which ones?
I literally had that exact move sequence with the pawn drop in front of the trapped bishop in my lichess game against level 1 right before I came to this video
Practical knowledge wooo
It took me a while to learn the basics of chess theory but this video definitely killed the remaining neurons in me left to be dedicated to board games 😅😅
Welcome shogi zombi. Now you know why all of us crave new brains.
@ShogiHarbour what really strikes me is that in chess, the bishops are always on their respective diagonals and never change them until the end of the game. But here, the fact that a bishop can be captured and then placed back to white squares, although the opponent has already one in the white squares, is just so unusual. The promotion system to the third before last rank in the opponent's territory, the generals that act almost like the king and the pieces that can be put back at any place. All those elements genuinely make shogi 100 times harder than chess, and I am scared of imagining the amount of calculations needed at a pro level
Let me add that promoted bishop can change diagonals too.... haha and pawn forward capture is confusing for chess players!
@@ShogiHarbour As a grandmaster said once, pawns are the soul of chess. The fact that they capture diogonaly allows them to support each other, and either force the players to be in closed positions or open up everything. Which completely changes the dynamics of shogi as I feel that everything is much more linear with front pawn captures and the lances.
@genekisayan6564 yeah and you have new tactics like sacrificing a pawn and dropping behind... no positional play I'd say
Bravo, Karolina!!! Me encantó este material. Muy buenas todas tus explicaciones!!!
Horsey Strong. got it. hahaha
Thinking again, perhaps better than "greedy is bad" might be "greed is risky" as occasionally greed can be useful.
If it works, it's not greedy
Great video! very helpful and coming from advanced level chess I can (I hope!) understand the ideas but my main problem is fully remembering the pieces... any tips?
Use an alternative set in the beginning, for kanji use funny correlations to remember
Loving the videos!9
Thanks!
Thanks for the video. It would great if you can keep up the rhythm… 😊
Here … my place … the beginner playlist 😮💨
Good start :)
good video I hope you grow really fast
Thanks!
Witam rodaczkę.
She baccccc🥺🌈
Okay time to dive in hachi wan style
Bubbles bubbles
@@ShogiHarbour salam, how did you discover shogi? I'm here because of a manga
manga as well naruto
@@ShogiHarbour wow you're cool
Hail Nara Shikamaru!
I found your channel through one of Joey Bizinger's videos. I am a complete beginner in shogi and it seemed fascinating ever since I saw Shikamaru playing in Naruto. your teaching style is very nice, I am going to follow you now. Love from India.
Welcome :) I also saw it in Naruto first. Please enjoy shogi!
At 1:42 why does Sente have to take Gote's rook pawn? Can't they do exactly what you said and drop a pawn to attack the bishop immediately? Then they would be faster right?
They don't have a pawn in hand at that point? They can of course go back and defend bishop's head instead.
But then we have p24 px g78 r84 and we lost pawn for free.
@@ShogiHarbour I mean instead of Px86 can't Sente just play P*23?
Ah this one. Then we can make a tokin Px87+ Px22 Sx and Sente is out of pawns and no immediate good use for bishop. It is of course a complex variation as well, but Gote is one move ahead.
What's the name of the site/app where you analyze the game?
Forget the question, now I see its 81 dojo :)
I also recommend lishogi.org :)
@@ShogiHarbour Thank you :) Wow, it's lichess branch for shogi. Didn't know that!
To be fair, people below 1 dan rarely know more than the first few jouseki moves to punish correctly...
..and if you, on the other hand, prepared for this weird opening variation, there is a good chance for an easier game x')
But that's beside the point of the video, and not a very good advice, I understand x)
Well, that's why I am showing you those few moves! :D
@@ShogiHarbour (I can even specifically say that the rook exchange near the end is where most people make a mistake.
The more natural ,yet bad, move is to take the rook with silver.)
True, but didn't want to complicate it ;)
lichess just made lishogi so im here😅
Welcome 😁
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Is this a website for shogi? Or a program? Can I get the name
Website is playshogi.com, while the app is on Android and only available for testers on discord for now.
What app do you play in?
81dojo for example. Lishogi for studying
@@ShogiHarbour available on Android?
They are websites but they have mobile versions. I prefer PC
@@ShogiHarbour arigatto gozaimasu
How to downlaod that app pleasee
81dojo? It is a website, 81dojo.com
@@ShogiHarbour so I cant download it to play offline and play with ai not a person?
@@ShogiHarbour how about apps for pc so I can play more levels and other challange like a chess app for android or pc or iphone
Oh this one is only vs humans but if you Google shogi or in Japanese 将棋 you might find some! Online ai good for beginners i would recommend piyo shogi or lishogi.org :)
@@ShogiHarbour ow why I can't play offline HAHAHHA that unfortunate