Okay, some years later I now finally realise this is an opening that has better chance to work against good players actually, since they would react "normally" and then fall into the trap.
Hi. I'm glad that the opening picture drew your attention. I set up the position with my own board and pieces, and then took a picture of it. After that, I applied some graphical effect with my PC software.
Recognize the King. Then learn the kanji for Gold, which happens to be the first half of Silver. Bishop looks unique, Pawn will also take a bit of memorization. Knight has a recognizable symbol on the right (similar to King?) Lance looks unique. I can't remember promoted pieces yet though.
@@chaotickreg7024 Promoted pawns have a unique hiragana (simple symbols) promoted silver generals have a gold general symbols, the other minor promoted pieces like promoted lance and knight should also have unique symbols, major pieces like promoted rooks and bishops are bigger pieces in comparison and both also have unique symbols that make them not that hard to differenciate from one another, but yeah it takes a little more time than chess to know all these pieces. For me to find silver and gold, I realized that gold kanji looks like a house, and silver looks like a house and an apartment side by side, lance kanji looked like a lance or like a cannon from the sky, knight has a unique symbol that I wouldn't mistake with any other one, rook has a kanji that has almost the form of a square, and the bishop's kanji looks like a brick tower with a wooden rooftop to protect from arrows. I kind of made associations between the symbols and what it looked like to me.
Hi, I want to ask, in 5:50, if black makes the trade without moving the King, and promote bishop instead of the rook, it will thread both white's king and rook. And black can not only kill the oppent's rook and put his rook back to the game and promote to dragon.
the bishop fork by white is playable as soon as the rook takes on 7c. otherwise white still has defenders on 7c to take the horse if black takes with the bishop and promotes earlier
wait. i'm just a few days into shogi. i get the tactics you're explaining by now but 5:07 why is it that you draw the conclusion of a loss because the enemies dragon is in danger? 7:19 same for the knight. it's only a defeat after the enemy got the king so why is it inevitable that you will get the king after you got one of those :? (oh and 3-gatsu no lion brought me here)
Because it is what is called a outebisha, or fork in chess term, where the kaku is checkmating while threatening the ryuou, and as black need to move the king, white can basically take the ryuou for free and that is basically a hisha+kaku trade for gold and silver which is very very unfavorable.
It's not that it's good for black. Black will play R-7h, but it's still OK for white. I mean it's still difficult. Anyway, since there is a much better way to deal with demon killer, white has no reason to choose that position.
I thought that you can only promoted your piece when it comes to the last 3 lines. But as I saw, the bishop promoted in line d so I couldn't understand the last part of the video
I think it's because white knight 8a takes silver, black night recaptures and promotes, threatening the king while reinforced by the black rook. Just a guess though...
Because Black can take the Knight with the Rook and create a Dragon, and that Knight on 6e can capture on 5c to promote it, and White is in a bigger trouble because the King is exposed and the Gold on 6d is hanging
I basically already defend this while playing against the CPU on an app that I have. I'm pretty good at it, but still get my butt whooped by level 3 CPU... 3 is the highest. There's beginners and levels 1-3. I can beat up to level 2 CPU, but 3 is difficult.
Because Black can take the Knight with the Rook and create a Dragon, and that Knight on 6e can capture on 5c to promote it, and White is in a bigger trouble because the King is exposed and the Gold on 6d is hanging
I am not an experienced player, but my thoughts: Dragon is very dangerous in white's camp threatening both the rook and the gold. White probably goes R6b to try to save them. I think black should have a way to force a win here, but it is hard for me to work out as well. N7d threatens mate, but white probably takes it with his gold and then defends. Instead S7a threatens mate but R6a gets out of the way. Maybe R+7a. If he blocks with R6a 'S62 wins the rook for free still attacking the king. So block the rook check with a pawn drop and then maybe just take the lance looking to drop it next move against the gold and rook. Probably there is something stronger I am too weak to understand but black is definitely on the attack.
Игры
Chess Opening: Sicilian Defense, Torre Attack, London System, etc.
Shogi Opening: DEMON KILLER!
my boy Tanjiro out here with the demon slayer opening
halloween gambit, frankenstein-dracula opening
There is also a Lady Killer Wham-Bam Rook Opening in Shogi
Okay, some years later I now finally realise this is an opening that has better chance to work against good players actually, since they would react "normally" and then fall into the trap.
Shikamaru and Asuma brought me here
KJ same
Hard bro shikamaru is the reason why I play go and shogi
same here
trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Dude so true
I just started playing shogi. I realised that I use this opening without knowing it
Lol same, American chess player
yeah same, but I wasn't using the complete opening.
i think that happen to me too
Kmu jga ska mainan it
Me too
Hi.
I'm glad that the opening picture drew your attention.
I set up the position with my own board and pieces, and then took a picture of it. After that, I applied some graphical effect with my PC software.
I thought you played a shogi software
@@Diwantaraaa He is talking about the picture at 00:01
Thank you very much.
Now I understand the idea of Demon Killer.
Basically advanced tactical chess
I like it
I just wish there's a way to easily tell the pieces
i know chinese as my second language so lucky me i can understand the kanji
Notice the notable characteristic of each kanji and differentiate them that's how I learned them
Recognize the King. Then learn the kanji for Gold, which happens to be the first half of Silver. Bishop looks unique, Pawn will also take a bit of memorization. Knight has a recognizable symbol on the right (similar to King?) Lance looks unique. I can't remember promoted pieces yet though.
@@chaotickreg7024 Promoted pawns have a unique hiragana (simple symbols) promoted silver generals have a gold general symbols, the other minor promoted pieces like promoted lance and knight should also have unique symbols, major pieces like promoted rooks and bishops are bigger pieces in comparison and both also have unique symbols that make them not that hard to differenciate from one another, but yeah it takes a little more time than chess to know all these pieces. For me to find silver and gold, I realized that gold kanji looks like a house, and silver looks like a house and an apartment side by side, lance kanji looked like a lance or like a cannon from the sky, knight has a unique symbol that I wouldn't mistake with any other one, rook has a kanji that has almost the form of a square, and the bishop's kanji looks like a brick tower with a wooden rooftop to protect from arrows. I kind of made associations between the symbols and what it looked like to me.
i used to play this a lot when i first started
Then demon killer trap won't work. It's just a opening trap, not a strategy in the first place.
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very good
I am still studying this opening trap in shogi.
Thank you
いい戦法です
How would you move if white moves 4a to 3b after black moves knight to 8g?
This is an interesting and agressive opening trap, If the oponent do not play correctly
But what would happen if white moves Silver6b after Knight7g?
Thanks!
THIS GAME IS AWESOME!
This game is NASTY!
Joe mama
Hey man, thanks for all those tricks maybe you can be my master
Rei Kiriyama introduced me more into shogi😊
Ajjaja el movimiento del diablo ajajja spg , es muy buena esa jugada pero vaya que tiene muchos huecos ajjaja
I clicked coz the opening sounded cool
How do i distinguish between the lieces, thats where i am striggling the most
the only shogi move i know is
move pawn g-7 to f-7
Hi, I want to ask, in 5:50, if black makes the trade without moving the King, and promote bishop instead of the rook, it will thread both white's king and rook. And black can not only kill the oppent's rook and put his rook back to the game and promote to dragon.
the bishop fork by white is playable as soon as the rook takes on 7c. otherwise white still has defenders on 7c to take the horse if black takes with the bishop and promotes earlier
I came here because of the title and i didnt even play shogi...
this guy is a pretty good fkn player
What if he plays gold b7 instead of b5
His english got so good lmao, I wonder where he is now
He's too busy with his work, nothing special
He's trying to keep in touch with fans tho, he contributes to ShogiHub
Great video!!
@3:57 how can you check mate being black in that position?
I suppose he says "game over" as in "now you're in lots of trouble" rather than litteral check mate
It is use for beginners in shogi
Where can you buy a shogi board with english characters?
What after the bishop exchange he plays 3c after you played 5e
This looks like kings indian in chess
What do you need to do if he does'nt take the bait?
wait. i'm just a few days into shogi. i get the tactics you're explaining by now but 5:07 why is it that you draw the conclusion of a loss because the enemies dragon is in danger? 7:19 same for the knight. it's only a defeat after the enemy got the king so why is it inevitable that you will get the king after you got one of those :?
(oh and 3-gatsu no lion brought me here)
Because it is what is called a outebisha, or fork in chess term, where the kaku is checkmating while threatening the ryuou, and as black need to move the king, white can basically take the ryuou for free and that is basically a hisha+kaku trade for gold and silver which is very very unfavorable.
but it's only 'very unfavorable' but not nessercarily a 'game over' right?
white has two rook and two bishop, black don't have.
That is game over because rook and bishop are very strong pieces.Black has no chance.
@@mulraf if you get a rook for free you cannot lose unless you do not play well from that point forward.
mulraf it’s very difficult to lose after such a decisive move
what when opponent second move will be king on 5b and he will exchange bishop after you move with a knight?
That's a waste of move, black will get an extra tempo by developing a different piece
What if after black pawn to 7, instead of attacking the knight white makes bishop exchange, then bishop drop to 5e?
Sebastián Anguiano just drop bishop 8h again
I usually use western-style pieces because it's easier to see what moves to make.
Yes, easy, but not epic
@@cliffeu3128 lol
@@cliffeu3128 3 years later update: I've mostly used traditional pieces now, because it's easier after you learn the differences in the kanji.
It's not that it's good for black.
Black will play R-7h, but it's still OK for white. I mean it's still difficult.
Anyway, since there is a much better way to deal with demon killer, white has no reason to choose that position.
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Can you fake a demon killer opening to gain an advantage?
Is there an angel opening in Shogi? Just curious.
It's not really an opening per se, more of an opening trap. A trap that the more experienced players who know this is a trap might punish you for.
I thought that you can only promoted your piece when it comes to the last 3 lines. But as I saw, the bishop promoted in line d so I couldn't understand the last part of the video
You can also place pieces in the last 3 lines, and they automatically promote as soon as the piece moves.
@@chriskelley7097 Thank you for your comment. I didn't expect for anyone to reply .
When I heard the three first notes of the intro music I thought it was an Undertale OST
Uncultured swine😂
Yere ok now i wanna make a koto version of once upon a time theme
HxH has brought me here
What's と金 (ときん)?
In 4:11, why doesn't knight 8a takes the silver?
I think it's because white knight 8a takes silver, black night recaptures and promotes, threatening the king while reinforced by the black rook. Just a guess though...
Because Black can take the Knight with the Rook and create a Dragon, and that Knight on 6e can capture on 5c to promote it, and White is in a bigger trouble because the King is exposed and the Gold on 6d is hanging
This line is so long for an opening trap
Thanks to shikamaru & shikadai im here
I basically already defend this while playing against the CPU on an app that I have. I'm pretty good at it, but still get my butt whooped by level 3 CPU... 3 is the highest. There's beginners and levels 1-3. I can beat up to level 2 CPU, but 3 is difficult.
:) :) :)
we fail the trap.... we loss the match :v
5:50
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4:11
Why dont the knight just take the silver?
Because Black can take the Knight with the Rook and create a Dragon, and that Knight on 6e can capture on 5c to promote it, and White is in a bigger trouble because the King is exposed and the Gold on 6d is hanging
@@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 ohhh thx :)
@@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 didnt saw it earlier
@@hiro7964
どういたしまして
3:55 what‘s over?? How do you always assume it‘s so obvious? Most of your viewers are new to the game right?
I am not an experienced player, but my thoughts: Dragon is very dangerous in white's camp threatening both the rook and the gold. White probably goes R6b to try to save them. I think black should have a way to force a win here, but it is hard for me to work out as well. N7d threatens mate, but white probably takes it with his gold and then defends. Instead S7a threatens mate but R6a gets out of the way. Maybe R+7a. If he blocks with R6a 'S62 wins the rook for free still attacking the king. So block the rook check with a pawn drop and then maybe just take the lance looking to drop it next move against the gold and rook. Probably there is something stronger I am too weak to understand but black is definitely on the attack.
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man what a drag
shootout to people who play shogi because of uncle iroh
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