Revolutionizing Truck Power Systems: Lessons Learned Prototype
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- We dive deep into a critical troubleshooting session with our Electric Trucks battery management system (BMS) and generator. After a minor mishap, we learned valuable lessons on voltage requirements and system reliability. 🛠️💡
What to Expect:
* The Oops Moment: Discover how a simple voltage mismatch led to a fried BMS and what it taught us about electrical systems.
* Generator Woes: We explore the effects of generator load on voltage stability and how it affects system performance.
* Safety First: Watch as Eric dons high voltage gloves for a meticulous safety check, ensuring everything is powered down correctly.
* The Upgrade: We're fitting a new 3-in-1 device capable of handling higher voltages, which means better performance and future-proofing our setup.
* The Fix: See the step-by-step process of replacing the BMS with a safer, more efficient design and the adjustments needed to accommodate the new hardware.
* First Road Test: Witness the tension and excitement as we take our upgraded system for a test drive in the parking lot, preparing for the open road.
Learning Points:
* Importance of precise voltage management.
* Innovations in our new BMS and generator setup.
* The intricacies of prototyping and rapid iteration in tech development.
Why Watch?
If you're into DIY tech, engineering challenges, or just love seeing how things work (and sometimes don’t), this video is for you! Join us as we push the limits of what our custom-built system can do, ensuring we're ready for any challenge on the road.
Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more updates on this project and other exciting tech adventures! 
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1903 - Edison fries Topsy for demonstration purposes
2024 - Edison fries Topsy for demonstration purposes
Just pokin' a little fun.
Good job staying on top of things guys.
😂😂😂
This is exactly what prototyping is for. If it don’t break you are not working it hard. When it does break you fix it and the issue that caused it. Now you have a better truck because if it. Kudos on the break line air.
Thought this was a production truck? Chace keeps saying production....
@@D2O2 He never said that. This is a development platform for testing
@@JD-yx7be Maybe not in this video, but in several other videos. How about the video titled: " Electric Truck Transformation: from Prototype to Production? Carl was the prototype, Topsy is production as Chace consistently refers to them.
@@D2O2 That was detailing the steps they are planing to go to production. Topsy is still in testing as seen in this video as well as past videos
Legally it's the first production truck, but functionally speaking this is just a late development prototype. @D2O2
Parked six weeks and it still had air! That is quality we need in manufacturing right now. So many new products are worse than what they replace.
Some run out coming back from the toilet.
Guys I love what you're trying to do but use the electrical insulation gloves properly. Please. To put on gloves
Step 1 apply talcum powder to the insides of the rubber gloves.
Step2 insert hands in glove
Step 3 insert the rubber gloves into the leather gloves that came with the rubber gloves.
Then do work.
The leather gloves are of vital importance. They absorb the damage from sharp edges and the dirt and grease that can be found in the electrical field.
You NEVER work with just the rubber gloves. The smallest pin hole in the rubber glove and it is no longer rated for high voltage. High voltage needs only a hole from a hypodermic needle to jump the insulation of the rubber glove and make contact with your skin. If I had seen any of my electricians do what your man did. The gloves would have to be sent off for recertification. I know you're just loggers and field mechanics. But high voltage must be treated with respect at all times.
So always keep the rubber gloves in their plastic bag. These rubber gloves must be clean at all times. High Voltage will find a path on dirt.
Now I assume your voltage is 480v 3ø Y which is not high enough to cause most of the issues I've stated. That being said follow to proper safety rules on using these gloves. Because you are using a tool use it in the manor it is designed to used. If you're higher than 480v then.what I've said is vital for you to follow. Finally if you're over 480v buy a High Voltage tic tracer. On voltage over 600v we use only high voltage tic tracers because the voltage will explode a multimeter.
Here in Canada our standard industrial voltage is 347 Wye phase to phase is 600…
@@John13Edge it was the insulation gloves being used as work gloves that triggered me. Put a hole in them and there's no point in having them. . 277/480 Y .
Would be worth them bringing in an expert for a few hours to review their safety procedures. You only get to make a mistake with high voltage once.
You forgot Step 0 the most important one..roll up cuff to make sure you can create a balloon with glove( hole test) no balloon no use
Bump this up, you only need to kill or maim one tech to regret it forever, and EV stuff has more than enough power to end you instantly. Get a class taught to the team, and refresh once a year.
Also, while on the topic of safety, does your shop have an emergency protocol for battery fires? Cuz it'll happen, that's just statistics, and you need to be aware that lithium batteries won't extinguish with an ABC extinguisher. I'm curious what a big shop can actually do to keep it safe, cuz on small scale stuff I've had to resort to "chuck it in the yard and wait."
Fantastic work btw, very nice trucks.
7:31 "you wanna go out for a rip?"
Chase, the correct answer is "Fuck yeah Bud!"
Another locomotive inspiration for ya, locomotives will "crowbar" the high voltage systems when you access the high voltage cabinet with a door interlock. This will tell the computers that the system is also discharged, and you can follow a flow chart if the computers are inaccessible to verify high voltage systems discharge much like you did manually.
Please buy Eric a set of gauntlets for his high voltage glove…one little piece of basically anything will pierce those gloves just ruins your day…
Documenting this troubleshooting process is a priceless gift to everybody who plans to do something similar.
This is why you test. Had an issue, used that as an opportunity to test redundancy, found an issue with that. Well done. You guys are legends.
"The headache rack of the truck"
Brilliant.
Would you consider an engine gennie pack similar to military tanks where it's one unit in a frame. Unplug, unbolt frame bolts, disconnect lines and lift out as one. Lower new pack in and connect up. Less down time for truck and units can easily be bench tested.
Cummins just released their new version of this for the next generation of combat vehicles.
Electric classics 🇬🇧 use a conversion system for their electric kits. So they only have to work it all out for each type once.. and remove it if needed and put it back.
One thing you should try is super simple and overlooked a lot of the time is a 2 way radio install it and check it for interference
I was waiting for a kidney in transit for a transplant. Had time. drew up plans for a parallel hybrid for a pickup. Problem it was 30 years ago and no money organ transplants are expensive love these guys
"lessons during prototyping." EXACTLY!!!
While the big three are building junk EVs that are terrible for the environment these guys are doing things right.
As someone who has been around the trucking industry his entire life, even working in the industry on the parts side, I hope to see these trucks all over the roads.
You need leather protectors over your low voltage gloves. They make them to fit over the rubber gloves. Prototype’s are to expose problems and find solutions. No one thinks of everything the first time.
A little bit of that famous "electronic smoke" totally is part of prototyping. And forgetting tools in places they should not be while driving the vehicle... 😁🤟
Nice to see that redundancy and safety margins are still a major focus. Also I couldn't help but notice you say with the new BMS you can go full speed? Is there a dragstrip in Topsy's future for a max output test? Please
when its AWD this thing is going to be doing wheelies off the line, it could probably do a quarter mile in less than 15 seconds!
@@PandoraJT0121No way, it's gonna run out of gears
@@PandoraJT0121 they also said in the beginning that they would electronically limit Topsy to 90 mph whicj would make the quarter mile difficult. so I guess the 0-60 is the question
I love this channel. Finally, an EV company putting out a worthy product. I can't wait to see an army of Topsys working hard everywhere. I see Edison Motors expanding into many different types of truck, all built to do hard work in tough situations. Keep up the good work, and keep showing the others how it should be done.
Such a cool company nice to see the development. All this is normally hidden
I am super excited for Topsy and all the Edison endeavors!
I absolutely love the fact that you all are doing what you do with what you have what you're working out of and kicking everybody else's ass billion dollar companies are not doing what you all are doing I think people ought to take a lot more notice of what y'all are doing with what you were working with no big engineer firms it's just genuine common sense
Integrity second to none. Great to see. Topsy is a beast!
Your doing a. GREAT JOB. filming.. and producing….. just a suggestion… put some cameras in the ceiling to get an overview of what’s happening and it will help in finding parts and tools before you take it out for road trips… …. Love what you guys are doing !!!!
Thank you for updates and transparency
You can drive it now so the work is about to begin on shake down and trouble shooting!!! You guys got this !!!
Love that you make sure that you want a quality built, takes time and a lot of patience
Don’t give up guys, we love you🤘🏼
Really excited watching this. I picked up my lease truck two days ago. I'm hoping my next truck will be Topsy's little brother
For low speed and backing, steam Loco sounds and the bell in reverse.
Optional settings of course.
Can’t wait to finish my little diesel hybrid electric conversion. This makes me want to verify my inverters before spooling the diesel to 1800-2200rpm. Expecting 400vdc
You can also use a grounding clamp on the high voltage side to drain any stray voltage while working on it.
Just a quick suggestion. Have you driven a Nissan e-Power vehicle. It too has a electric drivetrain with a petrol engine as generator. But their generator has more than one RPM configuration. As an example for a high power requirement it would increase the generator RPM and has the ability to draw power from both the battery and generator to power the motor when required.
I like this format! More videos like this!
Remember to run interference testing with the electronics, for example for AM radio and CB radio. It’s a thing and you want to certify beforehand.
Congratulations Chase and Edison Motors. This tech makes more sense than an off grid emergency generator and using off grid power with diesel backup. One day perhaps a front grill wind turbine and solar roof on trucks and trailers roofs. Solar modular units.
I'm proud that Edison is a company in British Columbia Canada......way to go boys being at the forefront of technology......lots of tech has been developed in B. C. for space and advanced sciences in physics
Excited to see Topsy loaded up like the locomotive it is. It’s been an epic journey.
Keep pushing that rope! You guys are doing great!!
Thank you for the breakdown videos and pointers
Never awesome electricity is ever off. The wire it self can hold a charge. Always make sure
Excellent work, EDISON
Built to last, great job. Love seeing the progress.
4:10 I see that eric has learned his lesson to stay well away from the drill lmao
I've been waiting and checking in for another long format video everyday! Keep them coming!
Adapt and overcome !! Simply OUTSTANDING
Can't wait to see you go down the mountain with a load of logs
I don't know if this has been said, but you need leathers over those rubber gloves to actually be protected up to 1000v.
COOL!! Now lets see in haul some logs!!
So I had an idea. After this whole prototype thing, instead of selling just retrofits, why not also scale down the L-series cab and hood to sell as a kit car? I’d love that chunky 30’s style cab and butterfly hood with solid fenders like that with a matching step side pickup bed.
6 WEEKS AND IT STILL HAS AIR??? My brand new Blue Bird Vision leaks most of its air out over my break...
Honestly I like the headache rack being .. maybe not hot swappable, but an all in one deal.. having all the important stuff in there makes sense. Would love to see it be modular, though. Custom fab cabinets that just bolt on or slide in. That way, if something breaks, you just pull the cabinet and slot in a replacement
I feel like this is gonna be so nostalgic later on that we should be filming this in black and white.
love the transparency, keep it up guys! ❤
Love these videos. One thing jumped out at me though when he went to check that there was no power. Hopefully he's checking the tool on something that does have power before checking the turned off system. Gotta check the tool as well.
man, I totally forgot that you drove drove wrecker on that TV show. can't remember what it was called. I saw it today but crap you were young I can't wait till this totally takes off. this is like the best thing to come out of Canada
Highway Through Hell?
I thought Justin Berber or Celine Dionne were the best thing to come out of Canada. !!??!?
@@brianhaw9398 absolutely not. maybe the best things to leave Canada
EDISON BUILT RITE thats the tee-Shirt I want when things break we learn and emprove the product 🙂
Great to see some truck content.....THIS is why I come here.
I love that this is how yall work
Thanks for the update.
This is truly amazing. Wiring is the worst part of building vehicles and this is 95% wiring
To the journey! Cheers guys
Steps forward great work
Keep up the good work gentlemen . From a fan in Minnesota, Eh !!!!
Good to see you guys keep up the good work
Best looking EV truck out there keep up the good work
Damn @wild_lee_coyote said exactly what I was going to say! Still, it proves great minds think alike. Glad to see Topsy back on the road. Now comes the next problem (when ever).Good Luck with the project and look forward to next update. Thanks from UK.
I love this truck the whole concept and what a great truck idea for pulling a horse trailer or stock trailer for going down the road
I want to do a schoolie with your powertrain. Cover the roof with solar and just travel off of solar alone. 100-200 mile trips every week or so. Might be the first vehicle to go coast to coast off of solar, but having that backup diesel just in case.
Sometimes it's hard to justify changing little things during prototyping as they mostly work. So sometimes it's good to blow things up so you can change out the big and little things you might not normally change out until later down the road. It's the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" well it broke so now the nice to haves get dealt with too.
LOVE IT!!
did you test drive it with the batteries unplugged? or where you just doing first test with the upgrades? im glad i recommended being able to limp it around on just the generator! that truck could sit for 50 years and fire right up with A jump! amazing truck glad to be A part of an amazing world changing product. good luck and gods speed!
Love the B....Roll.
I cant wait for the first work testing, when you start the testing could you add the ons road fuel savings etc
Like to see more footage of Topsy driving please
just an idea that I have had for a while. I think you should put motors on the trailers as well for that would take a big load off the truck as well as give a lot more regeneration with the braking. I am wondering if you have thought of this.
There are at least 2 major manufacturers presently developing/testing power equipped trailers both for drive and regen' purposes.
@Edison motors you guys need to talk to Magtec ltd in the UK. They've been doing trick and bus repowers to EV and hybrid for nearly 30 years. They have this sort of systems stuff nailed down.
The fully and easily accessable electronics at 8:03 makes me happy. Is this how you plan to have it in for production trucks or are you going with something more compact?
In older videos they say the electronics will be easy accessible but they will but a cover over that, but not under the dashboard with weird positions to change that
for all the older guys we hate acronym's you young guys love that shit! BMS battery management system.
Back in the day, older guys never had battery management systems.
I assume you don’t like using ECU either?
OH NO!... GOOD JOB BOYZ!
Proud to be Canadian!
"Feel free to adjust the content to better fit your video’s specifics or personal style!"
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Thanks!
Thank you!
This is exactly how trucks should have been made, energy storage and generation, so much more cost effective long term.
GOOD ON YA LADS
You guys better think about sending us mechanics up there to get repair certs and classes
Well even the best engineers can miss a few things at least you caught it in the prototyping and testing stage.
Can you use the same thing they use in laptops (a much larger version I'm sure) to step up voltage when the voltage drops as the laptop battery drains?
Are you going to have matching cooling caps so the EV side can also be pressure tested/vacuum filled the same as the engine?
will increased voltage decrease charge times? and will that be a different change for regen, generator, and off-vehicle sources of charge wattage?
Do trucks, in general, use OBD2? Does Topsy have an OBD2 port?
Question, how much more heat will be in the cab now?
Those battery disconnects, is there a chance that it could allow the 2 batteries to connect to a common bus at 2 different voltages. The switches seem to run into a common bus bar at the angles i see. From what i have seen that could cause a dangerous scenerio where the lower battery tries to get charged by the higher battery if there isnt some sort of protection. Am i wrong?
In the future, say "the generator runs at constant RPM" instead of "at 1 RPM" 😂
Good luck.
Use an eye-bolt for a hood ornament.
"The generator runs at 1 rpm", probably should say a set rpm, or a fixed rpm
The brand new company Pete I drive (130,554km as of this morning) hardly has any air after just two days over the weekend.
Could a large capacitor between the generator and batteries smooth out the drops?
From what Chace said at the beginning about the voltage drop from the generator taking a load. Couldn't you simply use a loop PID on the generator RPM so that when it takes a load, it will automaticly readjust itself at 1800 RPM. Instead of it being a constant ? There is a PID ready to use in the plus 1 Guide that you are using to program.
I was just wondering if anyone here has heard of Dynacert its a Canadian company aswell. I feel like if their product works it would be a great fit for your project.
It is supposed to make cleaner and stronger combustion with hydrogen and oxygen it produces from electrolysis.
Just an electrician not a diesel mechanic.