I’m the same…or my channies to tighten up from the top. Maybe the offset is better but the normal ones are limited in their use unless the box is empty
Yeah the screwdriver is my go to also. Sometimes I don’t like using that option when working with wires in the box because the blade can slip of the nut and nick a wire. The Klein Pliers I use while running conduit because they are also a tool for doing other thinks to conduit. Many tools to get the same job done… thanks for sharing what you do 👍
Cool topic. In my dirty industrial setting, so many times I've fought with removing these old rusty lock rings. I usually engage the fight with large and small channel locks. Good to know there are tools specifically designed to help.
I offset the connector about a 1/4 turn from facing forward. Run the lock ring hand tight. While using a set of Channellocks or Cobras, turn turn the connector to face the front of the box to finish tightening the connector. Quick, rock solid everytime.
I have used the pliers for running conduit and use them for in and out reamers. The inside of the jaws fit nicely around 1/2” conduit and with 2 half turns and back clean most burs off the outside after a cut. The sharp or square edges of the outside of the plier’s jaws work well clearing burs from the inside of the cut conduit. I think they also work with 3/4” conduit.
Yeah they are nice pliers for conduit.. I just swap these out for strippers in my pouch usually instead of when I’m running MC. An electrician friend of mine had them on a job is where I first saw them. He swore by them so I gave them a go.
Premier Tool Works had LOK-COND conduit locknut wrenches. They came in straight, offset and 90 with sizes all the way up to 2". They also made a socket you could use similar to what you made.
I bought those GB locknut wrenches when I first started as an apprentice, they're handy for certain things but the biggest issue is that they 100% don't work on 1110 boxes (which I use reasonably often). The way that I use (which only works on new boxes) is to tighten it most of the way until the locknut starts to grab and then twist the fitting with my linesman for the last 1/4 turn. I like your socket idea, I might do the same; only thing I'd consider is using a deep socket and cut channels out the sides, you might be able to bend wire through the slot and use it after the wire is pulled in.
Rack-A-Tiers Nut Snugger Magnetic works well for 1/2" and 3/4". Basically your socket but with all 6 teeth instead of 2. U can use a 3/8 ratchet, 3/4 box end wrench, adjustable wrench, or water pump pliers.
So you are saying someone already took my idea and made it better 😂… Rack-A-Tiers makes some good stuff, I don’t think I’ve seen that. Will check it out 👍. I typically only deal with 1/2 and 3/4.
I don't often see that style of locknut, the ones I deal with are usually hexagon shaped, so standard open ended spanners, adjustables, slip-joint pliers are also quite common to use. We do have specialist bushing spanners and brockets, which are adapters for 1/4 drive wrenches. Not so common to see those in use though.
I have seen what you are talking about in some videos… It’s always interesting to see how others do things. I’d say 99.62 % of my connectors are these. There is an occasional different one. We also have some that just snap in for MC Cable. I only like using those in places where is is highly unlikely they won’t be removed. Nothing irritates me more than seeing someone use those in light fixtures.
I use the Klein 56999 locknut wrench 1/2 & 3/4 for cut-in boxes but even that tool is a pain, after 23yrs I’m good with a beater screwdriver 3/16 slotted 6inch and I’m good. Check out the Klein socket wrench and see what you think.
That’s the one I was talking about at the end. I’ve never seen it in person but I like the idea of it for MC Cable. I believe it lets you pass wires through it right?
@@MORGANSMaintenance the yellow handle locknut pliers I used to use way back because they are also a reamer from the outer part of the tool for the inner conduit, and the inner part of the tool is for the inner burrs, but then Klein came out with the screwdriver reamer driver and I put the yellow ones aside.
I bought and didn’t like the Klein lock wrench set. Was pretty awkward to use, and they marred after first use. Thank you for sharing those Klein pliers, I will try those next! And the socket idea is very clever. Btw I went to Lowe’s and saw some Klein tools. What a trip haha! They had the flip socket with the handle with bits, I’ve never seen before. I made my own buying the two separate parts, but cool to see Klein listening and making the flip socket with the multibit handle. Thanks for your videos!
I haven’t used them much, I just got them. I almost always use my screwdriver or those pliers. I went ahead and bought the offsets for the weird times I can’t get to it with those. My screwdriver and those pliers pretty much have made my straight wrenches never get used the times when they are an option. My Lowes doesn’t have Klein… but my Home Depot is has all their Klein on clearance, I thought that was weird.
I 1st bought the channel lock pliers and only worked 1/2 the times I needed em, then got the GB wrenches but they only worked 1/4 of time lol I have the Klein offset wrenches in my tool bag now but it’s faster using my flat head then to dig around my tool bag for the wrenches
Typically my go to as well… the only time I don’t like using it is to remove a stubborn one in a box full of wires. Don’t want my screwdriver to go off the side and nick a wire right at the connector. Other than that it’s usually the screwdriver or my Pliers…. I got the offsets for the few times those two cans get a good angle.
Here we don't use any of these. We have cable glands but they are used in very specific applications and are made to be tightened by hand. Our electrical boxes are round and made of non-flammable plastic. In brick/concrete/CMU walls we just drill a 68 mm (2 11/16") hole and use gypsum, thinset or polyurethane foam to install the box. Then we just put the wires in without any additonal conduits. Same applies to drywall (68 mm hole), except for we have dedicatted boxes with (no gypsum needed);we also have windproof boxes with rubber seals. If we install any conduitus these are elastic, corrugated pipes used mainly in drywall applications (that gives some fireprooofing and some mechanical protection).
Yeah I’ve watched many different videos from that side of the world and I’ve noticed the materials and ways are quite different. It would be hard to see all of it and understand it in video form without putting your hands on it… but I always find it interesting different ways people do similar jobs (products and techniques)
@@MORGANSMaintenance Some things on our side of the pond are more reasonable and some are much better on your side. The biggest and the most defining difference is that we build most of our houses to last decades. Average age of building in Poland is 50 years, we have over 1 million flats older that 100 years (out of total 15,4 million houses and flats). So everything else must abide this long lifespan "rule". I live in a house build in 1938 and in the oldest house is my city is from 1300.
@@Stefan_Kawalec yeah they throw up houses (the bulk of them.. what we call spec homes) here in no time… older built homes are much better built than the new ones here. People don’t maintain there houses here very well either… so it’s a double whammy. Not built real well and not taken care of. There are exceptions to that… but that’s the majority. Commercial stuff is a little better.
@@MORGANSMaintenance Your houses are of course relatively cheaper to build. So it makes sense. ATM the average cost of building a 140 sq m/around 1400 sq ft turnkey house (very popular size, usually for 2+2 family) in my area is around 600k złoty (US$ 150k). Average salary (data by the state statistical office) is 5300 złoty (US$ 1350). So building a house it worth 113 months of salaries. US average monthly salary (big simplification) is around $ 8k and you build a house for around $ 300k (yet another simplification). So it takes 37 monthly salaries, i.e. 3 x faster (equals relatively 3 x cheaper). And your houses are usually bigger.
@@Stefan_Kawalec They definitely go big around here 😂… Most people here never build houses and plan to live in them their entire life either. They build them with the mindset of… I’m only living here “x” amount of years then we will “upgrade”. So when it comes to spending more money on something that will make it last 50 more years potentially… they are already thinking “I won’t be here that long”
Yeah I appreciate you giving the part #… That was the one I was thinking about. I’ve never seen it in person, but I may get it one day and try it out. 👍👍
i have both sets and i actually prefer the GB. I find the Klein ones tilt too easy and fall off the locknut. Does anyone else feel this? or am i just using it wrong?
I’d say you are using them right. It may be harder to keep them on if you are comparing them going in straight with easy access to the locknut. That being due to the fact that the work is being done farther away from the force your hand is applying… (I haven’t used them extensively yet… or with that kind of access)…. If I have clear access like that, I don’t typically use either of those type of wrenches. I will just use my Locknut pliers or a screwdriver. (That’s why I said I would get the Kleins, they get me in places I can’t get with the other tools as easy). But the GB ones may be a better fit for many people in what they do. I appreciate you saying your experience with them though… it’s always helpful to get as many opinions as possible.
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I’m an electrician who always used the flat blade and my Klein’s. The GB wrenches never really worked too well for me, but I’ll try the Klein wrenches
Yeah it’s few and far between that the flats work for me too…
I’m the same…or my channies to tighten up from the top. Maybe the offset is better but the normal ones are limited in their use unless the box is empty
I’m a fire alarm tech. I’ve always used lineman pliers, and a flat blade screwdriver or a pair of 180 mm cobras.
Yeah the screwdriver is my go to also.
Sometimes I don’t like using that option when working with wires in the box because the blade can slip of the nut and nick a wire.
The Klein Pliers I use while running conduit because they are also a tool for doing other thinks to conduit.
Many tools to get the same job done… thanks for sharing what you do 👍
Love the custom socket idea. I think it would work best when attached to a finger spinner.
Yeah it usually doesn’t take a lot of force… “usually” 😂… it’s mostly getting my fat fingers in there.
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Locknuts, the bain of the service tech's existence...
Yeah much harder to get to them after a mud ring than before 😂
Cool topic. In my dirty industrial setting, so many times I've fought with removing these old rusty lock rings. I usually engage the fight with large and small channel locks. Good to know there are tools specifically designed to help.
Yeah the old ones are pretty stubborn to get off. Glad I could help 👍
I normally just use my needle nose to tighten and loosen them going straight on to the connector
Yeah those work good too… this is one of those tasks that you can get done multiple ways. 👍
Thank you for making this video. This video was helpful and now I have an idea of what kind if locknut wrenches to buy.
👍👍 you are welcome
I was looking to get myself a pair. I'm glad you told me I'll be just fine with those offsets.
Glad I could help my friend 👍
Nice socket 👍😅😅
I was bored one day 😂
Ive worn out my GB lock nut wrenches. They were a life saver.
They come in handy for certain situations for sure. Especially in the remodel situation.
I’ve got an old 2 piece G-B set…really like the Klein offset…gotta get those .❤thanks for the review.
Your welcome buddy. I got mine in store at Home Depot. They just put them out… which means they been out at other stores for months 😂
I offset the connector about a 1/4 turn from facing forward. Run the lock ring hand tight. While using a set of Channellocks or Cobras, turn turn the connector to face the front of the box to finish tightening the connector. Quick, rock solid everytime.
Thanks for the tip…
Yeah for installs I typically don’t need the wrenches often. It’s usually more getting one out.
Rack tiers has a set of sockets for lock nuts
I looked those up the other day… looks like a good one 👍
I have used the pliers for running conduit and use them for in and out reamers. The inside of the jaws fit nicely around 1/2” conduit and with 2 half turns and back clean most burs off the outside after a cut. The sharp or square edges of the outside of the plier’s jaws work well clearing burs from the inside of the cut conduit. I think they also work with 3/4” conduit.
Yeah they are nice pliers for conduit.. I just swap these out for strippers in my pouch usually instead of when I’m running MC.
An electrician friend of mine had them on a job is where I first saw them. He swore by them so I gave them a go.
Premier Tool Works had LOK-COND conduit locknut wrenches. They came in straight, offset and 90 with sizes all the way up to 2". They also made a socket you could use similar to what you made.
I will look that up… thanks 👍
I was looking for the same thanks for sharing
👍👍 you are welcome
I bought those GB locknut wrenches when I first started as an apprentice, they're handy for certain things but the biggest issue is that they 100% don't work on 1110 boxes (which I use reasonably often). The way that I use (which only works on new boxes) is to tighten it most of the way until the locknut starts to grab and then twist the fitting with my linesman for the last 1/4 turn. I like your socket idea, I might do the same; only thing I'd consider is using a deep socket and cut channels out the sides, you might be able to bend wire through the slot and use it after the wire is pulled in.
Yeah the socket works fairly well. If you had a pass through socket set would be better.
I do the same on my new installs too.. 👍
Rack-A-Tiers Nut Snugger Magnetic works well for 1/2" and 3/4". Basically your socket but with all 6 teeth instead of 2. U can use a 3/8 ratchet, 3/4 box end wrench, adjustable wrench, or water pump pliers.
So you are saying someone already took my idea and made it better 😂…
Rack-A-Tiers makes some good stuff, I don’t think I’ve seen that. Will check it out 👍.
I typically only deal with 1/2 and 3/4.
I don't often see that style of locknut, the ones I deal with are usually hexagon shaped, so standard open ended spanners, adjustables, slip-joint pliers are also quite common to use. We do have specialist bushing spanners and brockets, which are adapters for 1/4 drive wrenches. Not so common to see those in use though.
I have seen what you are talking about in some videos… It’s always interesting to see how others do things. I’d say 99.62 % of my connectors are these. There is an occasional different one.
We also have some that just snap in for MC Cable. I only like using those in places where is is highly unlikely they won’t be removed. Nothing irritates me more than seeing someone use those in light fixtures.
I use the Klein 56999 locknut wrench 1/2 & 3/4 for cut-in boxes but even that tool is a pain, after 23yrs I’m good with a beater screwdriver 3/16 slotted 6inch and I’m good. Check out the Klein socket wrench and see what you think.
That’s the one I was talking about at the end. I’ve never seen it in person but I like the idea of it for MC Cable. I believe it lets you pass wires through it right?
@@MORGANSMaintenance yes it’s a pass through, it’s pretty good if your doing cut-in work but expensive.
@@Jesus_Strong yeah I may get one to try out… I’m like you though, Screwdriver I’m usually my #1.
@@MORGANSMaintenance the yellow handle locknut pliers I used to use way back because they are also a reamer from the outer part of the tool for the inner conduit, and the inner part of the tool is for the inner burrs, but then Klein came out with the screwdriver reamer driver and I put the yellow ones aside.
@@Jesus_Strong I have the reamer but that you put in your drill/impact… or a Klein Screwdriver handle. I have never bought the actual screwdriver.
I bought and didn’t like the Klein lock wrench set. Was pretty awkward to use, and they marred after first use. Thank you for sharing those Klein pliers, I will try those next! And the socket idea is very clever.
Btw I went to Lowe’s and saw some Klein tools. What a trip haha! They had the flip socket with the handle with bits, I’ve never seen before. I made my own buying the two separate parts, but cool to see Klein listening and making the flip socket with the multibit handle.
Thanks for your videos!
The model was 32303HD 20-IN-1 IMPACT DRIVER SET $39.98 can’t even find it online but I took a picture of it
I haven’t used them much, I just got them.
I almost always use my screwdriver or those pliers. I went ahead and bought the offsets for the weird times I can’t get to it with those.
My screwdriver and those pliers pretty much have made my straight wrenches never get used the times when they are an option.
My Lowes doesn’t have Klein… but my Home Depot is has all their Klein on clearance, I thought that was weird.
Channellock also makes locknut pliers Pretty nice and cheaper than Kleins too
Haven't Seen Those... Thanks for the Suggestion 👍👍
Don’t work well
I 1st bought the channel lock pliers and only worked 1/2 the times I needed em, then got the GB wrenches but they only worked 1/4 of time lol I have the Klein offset wrenches in my tool bag now but it’s faster using my flat head then to dig around my tool bag for the wrenches
I own those wrenches but a flat head is the best option
Typically my go to as well… the only time I don’t like using it is to remove a stubborn one in a box full of wires. Don’t want my screwdriver to go off the side and nick a wire right at the connector.
Other than that it’s usually the screwdriver or my Pliers…. I got the offsets for the few times those two cans get a good angle.
Yep , the offsets would work better ... Good vid ... Thx
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Here we don't use any of these. We have cable glands but they are used in very specific applications and are made to be tightened by hand.
Our electrical boxes are round and made of non-flammable plastic. In brick/concrete/CMU walls we just drill a 68 mm (2 11/16") hole and use gypsum, thinset or polyurethane foam to install the box. Then we just put the wires in without any additonal conduits. Same applies to drywall (68 mm hole), except for we have dedicatted boxes with (no gypsum needed);we also have windproof boxes with rubber seals.
If we install any conduitus these are elastic, corrugated pipes used mainly in drywall applications (that gives some fireprooofing and some mechanical protection).
Yeah I’ve watched many different videos from that side of the world and I’ve noticed the materials and ways are quite different. It would be hard to see all of it and understand it in video form without putting your hands on it… but I always find it interesting different ways people do similar jobs (products and techniques)
@@MORGANSMaintenance Some things on our side of the pond are more reasonable and some are much better on your side.
The biggest and the most defining difference is that we build most of our houses to last decades. Average age of building in Poland is 50 years, we have over 1 million flats older that 100 years (out of total 15,4 million houses and flats). So everything else must abide this long lifespan "rule". I live in a house build in 1938 and in the oldest house is my city is from 1300.
@@Stefan_Kawalec yeah they throw up houses (the bulk of them.. what we call spec homes) here in no time… older built homes are much better built than the new ones here.
People don’t maintain there houses here very well either… so it’s a double whammy. Not built real well and not taken care of. There are exceptions to that… but that’s the majority.
Commercial stuff is a little better.
@@MORGANSMaintenance Your houses are of course relatively cheaper to build. So it makes sense.
ATM the average cost of building a 140 sq m/around 1400 sq ft turnkey house (very popular size, usually for 2+2 family) in my area is around 600k złoty (US$ 150k). Average salary (data by the state statistical office) is 5300 złoty (US$ 1350). So building a house it worth 113 months of salaries. US average monthly salary (big simplification) is around $ 8k and you build a house for around $ 300k (yet another simplification). So it takes 37 monthly salaries, i.e. 3 x faster (equals relatively 3 x cheaper). And your houses are usually bigger.
@@Stefan_Kawalec They definitely go big around here 😂…
Most people here never build houses and plan to live in them their entire life either. They build them with the mindset of… I’m only living here “x” amount of years then we will “upgrade”.
So when it comes to spending more money on something that will make it last 50 more years potentially… they are already thinking “I won’t be here that long”
You missed one brother, Klein 56999, I think you made a mention to them at the end but just in case someone wants to check them out. Cheers
Yeah I appreciate you giving the part #… That was the one I was thinking about. I’ve never seen it in person, but I may get it one day and try it out.
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What is that can of Houdini
lube meant for locks & keys, works & smells great, it's a mix of bees wax & citrus oil, afaicr. I use it on tools, ladders,...
Everything Wim said.. I use it to clean my tools, but it’s a lock lubricant/cologne 😂
What is largest diameter conduit the D333-8 pliers can deburr the outside of with that circle in the middle of the jaws?
Personally I only use it on 3/4… you can probably get 1”, I think the jaw capacity is over 1-1/4, but the handles get spread out a bit too far.
Ok, thank you! @@MORGANSMaintenance
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i have both sets and i actually prefer the GB. I find the Klein ones tilt too easy and fall off the locknut. Does anyone else feel this? or am i just using it wrong?
I’d say you are using them right. It may be harder to keep them on if you are comparing them going in straight with easy access to the locknut. That being due to the fact that the work is being done farther away from the force your hand is applying… (I haven’t used them extensively yet… or with that kind of access)….
If I have clear access like that, I don’t typically use either of those type of wrenches. I will just use my Locknut pliers or a screwdriver. (That’s why I said I would get the Kleins, they get me in places I can’t get with the other tools as easy). But the GB ones may be a better fit for many people in what they do.
I appreciate you saying your experience with them though… it’s always helpful to get as many opinions as possible.