Babylon 5 | Season 2: Episode 10 "GROPOS" | Reaction & Review!
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Babylon 5 | Season 2: Episode 10 "GROPOS" | Reaction & Review!
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0:00 - Intro
7:40 - Reaction 
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A smaller episode to give us a breather after last episode but without compromising on the themes of the show. I believe that this kind of depiction of troops was still fairly uncommon in media at the time (they're supposed to win and come home), but not everyone can come home and that is one of the costs of war we cannot forget. G'Kar and Londo may share a couple hundred years of bad blood that has lead to the current conflict, but their people are dying in it all the same.
I served in the military. In fact, I'd be in boot camp 2 years after this episode aired. I love this episode for that and also because it's a very accurate depiction of how life is for the enlisted folks. Especially on a deployment.
This is a divisive episode among fans. I think it is an important one for the themes of the show.
Agreed. I love this episode.
i think this is one of the best episodes of the entire series, maybe its cause im a gropo myself
@@canadianbakin1304 I served, but not as a gropo. But I knew enough. I kind of felt like Keffer hanging out with them on occasion.
@@thebrewingsailor9172 i think i like this episode because of him seen a hundred guys like him in every army
The man playing General Franklin, the late Paul Winfield, has a pretty good sci-fi resume. You may remember him as police Lt. Traxler in The Terminator, as well as Captain Dathon in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Darmok", and Captain Terrell in the film "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan"
Gropos is slang for Ground Pounders.
"Time is a meaningless concept when you stop to think about it." - Corvin
Whenever I hear a typical US Army running song I'm always reminded of Terry Prattchet's parody version from one of his later Discworld novels:
Now we sing this stupid song
Sing it as we run along
Why we sing it we don't know
We can't make the words rhyme properly
Sound off!
1..2
Sound off!
Many! Lots!
Sound off!
Huh...What?
This has always been a favorite episode of mine. I remember how much the end of the episode affected me. I figured some wouldn't make it, but I didn't expect to lose all of the ground pounders we had gotten to know.
The key takeaway from this episode is Sheridan's statement that the only truth about war is that people die. And the ending of the episode showed that. It was a gut punch because we'd all come to like these ground pounders and then..... all dead. This is a recurring theme.
You are really making shrewd guesses.:)
We just watched it in real time and got surprised. But then your generation has been reared on media and are more savvy.
This show has landed some great actors as guest stars, Paul Winfield among the greatest of them.
Ground pounders
Gropos = Ground pounders = infantry
Yes, the tragedy of war! This episode drives the point home. That and the ability, between family members, of putting differences aside and focus on what really matters. Not the most relevant episode in the B5 story (apart from B5 getting an upgrade in their defence grid, yeah!) but still very relevant on a purely human level.
Very much a sci-fi interpretation of Desert Shield / Desert Storm in the 90s. Just a quick invasion, in and out, but please ignore the casualty estimates which are 'high to brutal'
This is NONSENSE ... because it was clear who would win from the start and the technological superiority meant that invading soldiers were pretty much safe ... EXCEPT FROM FRIENDLY FIRE.
You americans need to stop relating everything to your own stuff ... there is far more than that happening in history.
War...war never changes.
Yes it does ... nowadays "kids with joysticks" send drones to kill people without being in danger themselves. This is the reason why war is being fought for less and less good reasons.
War is also about PROPAGANDA more and more ... and the LIES that are being told need to be told for far longer.
Definitely a divisive episode amount the fan base. A lot of potential here, but the execution is pretty poor imo. Not as bad as some people say, but not a good episode overall. I do like the ending tho. Sometimes, people don’t come home. This episode doesn’t shy away from that reality.
Yes ... They died. As Sheridan said, there is only one sure thin in war - people die.
B5 does not shy away from that reality.
But yes, definitely a sad story.
Be seeing you.
GROPO Short for Ground Pounder or infantry soldier.
The end of the episode does underline the price of war. There's an episode in series three that shows a lot more ground pounder deaths than this.
This would be considered a better episode if it was in a different spot in the show.
But narratively it fits here
There will be victories, but they will come at a price.
I actually quite enjoy this episode, even though for some it's considered one of the worst in the season if not the series. There isn't much to say that wasn't said in the episode. It's just solid.
Yeah, DiTillio tends to write episodes that are largely solid but he also cleaves very tightly to TV clichés. Also JMS has a habit of giving him the script for an episode that comes right after a big Wham! episode.
@@simongiles9749 this is a relatively mild episode by B5 standards. After a big episode like Coming of Shadows, having a cliche episode is actually nice. Not every episode should subvert expectations.
One of the episodes I skip every chance I get- aggrevates me in so many ways (I'm retired military 36 yrs)
I start having issues with this episode within the first 5 minutes, and it goes downhill from there..... I'll just address a couple of the issues I have with it.....
"Top Secret Military Operation"- It's so Top Secret we can't inform Babylon 5 that its on its way! But every known Alien race has diplomats there- and the arrival of 25000 troops is going to cause every last one of them to call home and let them know whats going on, and that's before the Intelligence peeps get started asking questions. So much for secrecy....Cover story of "stopping by en route to Io" is just ludicrous- it would be comparable to say in our terms "We're flying 10,000 troops from the East Coast to the UN building on the way to the West coast"
Delenne getting assaulted- Are you seriously expecting me to believe that they just turned 25000 troops loose on B5 without briefing them ? Something along the lines of "OK, you guys, try to avoid interactions with the Aliens, and DEFINITELY don't start any altercations with any!" And to top it all off, after the assault/fight- Garabaldi has a very short discussion with Delenne, and then tells the Sgt Major "Hey, lets just forget this happened, boys will be boys......" Never mind the person they attacked was a AMBASSADOR- which at the very least would cause a diplomatic crisis, if not Casus Belli with the same people that kicked our asses 10 yrs before....
We'll just turn these guys loose without even a slap on the wrist........
Behind the scenes stuff....
Paul Winfield was pretty much "phoning it in" during the first day of shooting, and it aggrevated Jerry Doyle. They had a "private discussion" and surprisingly Winfield remembered his lines and improved his performance..
As originally scripted, Garibaldi did "Duck Dodger in the 23rd Century" (change whichever of the first 2 letters to suit yourself) but Jerry Doyle requested it be changed to be clear he didn't because he was already having issues in his marriage to Andrea Thompson. Also, he'd previously had a relationship with Marie Marshall
Very interesting insight into Jerry Doyle. I did not know he had dated Marie Marshall.
" Delenne getting assaulted- Are you seriously expecting me to believe that they just turned 25000 troops loose on B5 without briefing them ? "
Are you seriously expecting 25000 troops ALL sticking to briefings? Without exception? Are you seriously suggesting no soldier ever got into trouble?
Sorry, but whitewashing rapists and murderers doesn't make you particularly credible.
And yeah, the same race that kicked our asses 10 yrs before likely still instills some hard feelings in people who lost loved ones back then. Kindly spare me your fairy tales that every soldier is an honorable person who'd never do anything untowards.
Despite it being a bit meh, the events of this episode are relevant later.
Even fans who have watched everything sometimes don't realise.
However... Spoilers.
Keffer's best episode ... and he didnt need to be in his Starfury.