Debate w/ Journalist On Oct 7 S*xual Violence ft. Ryan Grim
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2024
- Destiny debates Ryan Grim on his reporting on what happened on Oct 7...
Date: 8 Mar, 2024
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Shia LeBuff is Jewish…
this journalist graduated from Harvard?
@@edwardteach3080 - but he didn’t disprove the claims. He made it worse by saying it was random citizens. So it isn’t just Hamas then… it is the citizens of Palestine? Is that what I am hearing? lol. Maybe they shouldn’t live there anymore if even the citizens do that.
@chrisdryer there are criminals within any civilian population. that doesn't justify collective punishment.
@@aweshumandy name me one war that isn’t collective punishment
Does he know that it's actually worse to imply that Oct 7th was committed by normal, average Palestinian civilians and not the world-recognized terror group Hamas
Only the US, EU and Isreal recognises hamas as a ter**r organisation. Most of the world and even the UN recognises hamas as a gouvernement. Get your facts straight.
Well, there are cctv of civilians getting in after Hamas and stealing stuff too. So...
US pro-palestine leftists 🤝 alt-right actually-pro-genocide Israelis: average Palestinians did it not Hamas
Maybe I didn't pay attention enough, but as far as I can tell, his claim is that there is no evidence justifying the New York Times headline.
It’s not about what’s worse, it’s about what’s true. He is simply saying “Hamas didn’t actually conduct a campaign of sexual violence”. So is that true or not ?
He knows they're not hamas
How does he know?
sPeCiAL ForCeS
People’s overconfidence in anything labeled special forces is astounding. People think 7 navy seals could wipe out Hamas in a week.
Its that Special Forces secret super vision training.
As special forces I can confirm, I can see Hamas through clothes
Silly argument. That Israeli special forces guy was THERE on Oct. 7th. You and Destiny were not yet your so quick to denounce his testimony because it doesn't fit your narrative. An ISRAELI said it wasn't Hamas. The Hamas fighters that went in on Oct 7th were specialists. They weren't rabble in civilian clothes. The Al Qassam brigade and other Hamas forces were wearing uniforms of sorts, like military fatigues, body armor, extra ammunition on bandoliers, military pataches, they has the best weapons and also, were being ordered and commanded by the squad leaders on the ground. They had targets and objectives to go after. The civilians and other milita groups that streamed in were the ones in plain civilian clothes and sandals etc. Easy to tell apart
@@Wolfe-Tone- There are subsequent reports that Destiny analyzed in Stream where it is described that one of the tactics used by Hamas was the use of infiltrators in civilian clothes for different terrorist attacks and including attacks on the civilian population. Hamas attackers employed various tactics, including infiltration into Israeli territory, both by land and sea, and rocket fire. Hamas militants reportedly managed to infiltrate Israel, carrying out attacks and kidnapping both Israeli civilians and soldiers. Israel has released images and videos showing armed militants, some of whom captured moments of the attacks first-hand via body cameras. These recordings attempt to document the tactics used, including the possible use of civilian clothing by the attackers to facilitate their infiltration and carry out surprise attacks.
Assuring that the attacking civilians could not possibly have been Hamas, and that it is easy to say that those who do not have uniforms are not Hamas, seems to contradict the subsequent analyzes made by the army about the attack.
Dont forget guys , if u get kidnapped by hamas , ur biggest fear is the IDF . - Hamas Piker 2024 .
Thats actually true according to hostages themselves. They said hamas used their bodies to shield them from idf fire. How many of their own hostages have israel killed so far?
@@khabibnurmagomoodov9287 even assuming what u are saying is true . Hamas is protecting them coz they are valuable to them , they don't care about them on a human level . They are the ones who took away their freedom and kidnapped them in the first place .
@@khabibnurmagomoodov9287 u know Hamas isn't defending them from the goodness of their heart . They do it coz if they loose them they loose thier bargaining power . They dont care about them on a human level . They are the ones who kidnapped them and took away their life and freedom in the first place .
@@khabibnurmagomoodov9287 "they said Hamas used their bodies" hey buddy. Thats the definition of human shield. So those deaths would also be on Hamas.
@@sniperboom1202 hamas used their own bodies as human shields. According to hostages themselves.
Dead serious: how do you say this isn’t antisemitism when it’s always “believe all women” but with Israeli women were splitting hairs THIS HARD? What bro?
We need evidence dude. When the woman that were assaulted came out during the me too movement they had time dates to the tee. Actual victims, when people try to find victims of the "mass rapes" they can't find any. Writers that claim it happen come out and say they have no evidence.
special forces bro's intuition in enough for him lol but he needs like 18,000 sources to believe women were raped.
Most of the liberal left wing values have been left behind. Azelia Banks got no flack whatsoever from calling Noah schnapp from stranger things a “f*g” for supporting Israel.
There are no Israeli women to believe. Israel hasn't identified a single rape victim from Oct 7. The claim comes from Israle and its defenders, not from rape victims. It's Israel that were not trusting.
Bro: "Free my boys, they innocent!"
Their boys:
You guys are delusional and immature children if you think destiny "cooks" anyone on anything....
@@jameslowe971 Cope
Alright captain copelord@@jameslowe971
Are you talking about the Palestinians?
@@jameslowe971 You are just a contrarian, as a very well reasearched and totally not unhinged daily wire worker said recently.
Dude said he was a journalist 21 times in the span of 1 hour. He's trying to convince himself at this point.
Communist Propagandist.
My toddler has said they’re trans.
i think it’s because his argument against the headline is based on journalistic standards and its his area of expertise. seems reasonable to me even if you disagree
I AM A JOURNALIST MR HAN
@@TransKidsMafia My man, nobody gonna breed with you ever.
I was in Afghanistan. It's so exhausting when people endlessly act like there is some bright line between "totally Hamas" versus "totally civilian." I can never decide if this is done out of ignorance or a desire to confuse.
This is not the West. It's not like "either you are a cop or you're not a cop." "Either you're a soldier or not a soldier." It's all very muddled and integrated within families and clans and neighbourhoods. Maybe your brother is a full fledged Hamas member. Your sister isn't Hamas but supports her brother and hangs out with him daily. It's not that hard to comprehend. At least that was the case in Afghanistan.
Agree. It's what I've been saying too, strongly (although I was not in war). War is grey and dirty and messy. Both sides are stupid. Thanks for your input. I would push back it is difficult to comprehend, which is why most people don't have this position. I agree it isn't that hard. But here we are. They want a black vs white. A binary. It's simple for simple minds.
I’ve been saying this from day one dude. Where the fuck do they think Hamas came from?? Brazil????
this is how it works in places like Compton LA and Chicago w/ gang stuff. Some people are all the way in, some are just their friends, neighbors and familiy and get lightly associated w/ street stuff by proxy.
@@williamsmith8910 Yes I think that's another good example
@@benjillionaire7948I mean Lula's comments would suggest yes.
"It wasn't hamas who R***D them"
Ok so it was civilians wearing civilian clothes. Which makes it worse, as Destiny said. Why even argue this point?
Israel went to war with Hamas not the people, there is a difference to be had
The mighty Israeli Defense Force
@@thanatosdriver1938
Hamas and their supporters went to war with Israel not Israelis 💞
Ryan Grimm called the tankie squirrel a "journalist" for supposedly debunking the rapes 😂
What about the 'journalist' that reported them and her nephew who had no actual experience in journalism?
@@cobrakaier238do you need to be a professional journalist in order to do good journalism?
@@DadsCigaretteRun the 'journalist' admitted herself in a podcast that she found no evidence but she still wrote the story. Plus she liked tweets which advocate for wiping out of Gaza. You tell me how she is better than the 'tankie'.
@@cobrakaier238 I’m not challenging her journalism, I’m challenging your assertion, that you need to have experience to be a good journalist.
I know literally nothing about her, you may be right
@@DadsCigaretteRun and I am saying that if you have no experience and you have a history of being very biased to a point of being genocidal maybe it is better not to be employed by the New York times as a journalist. And if you use your nephew to support the story it looks even worse. I am not saying people with no experience are unable to write a good story, everyone should start from somewhere just in this case it looked very bad but they employed her all the same.
The argument "they were not Hamas" based on the inference of a SF operator is so stupid. Hamas is not picky about who they recruit, and their recruits range in experience from militant terrorists to child soldiers. As someone who watches Breaking Points I can say this guy is such a clown.
Also Hama's aren't the fucking SEALS of something they ain't walking around in fully kitted military gear with well though out tactics n shit
Yeah as a Marine I can tell when someone in the military is stretching their expertise. You can kinda tell if someone is a part of an organized military if the military you are comparing them to is a professional well organized military. Hamas isn’t even remotely good enough to tell them apart from civilians. Watch Korean conscripts train and they look just as bad as kids at boot camp half the time. If not worse cause they are so robotic they lack critical thinking. Most military’s are so bad that they are basically civilians with guns and maybe a couple of competent commanders who keep them semi organized. So I can definitely see how the 19 year old Hamas fighters in civilian clothes would look and act just like civilians without a commander present. Especially if they WANT to blend with civilians.
The different groups were wearing different bandanas and patches. Many have talked about being able to differentiate the various groups involved. Destiny is either clueless or disingenuous.
@@michaelh878 if the only distinguishing factor of a group that is known to mix in with the population is a fucking scarv then I don't think it's unreasonable to think you can miss identify people during a terror attack
@@michaelh878when you apply video games logic to real life:
As a former soldier in the IDF, I can say with absolute confidence that if a combatant is wearing civilian clothes you have zero way of knowing what or who they are. All you see is in incoming gun fire.
If you have time to study the movements of a force over an extended period of time, how they mobilize, move strategically, their tactics, then you can definitely gain a more educated understanding of how well trained a force is. But you still couldn’t say they are or are not Hamas.
Day 1
"We need to condemn Hamas! Let's not fall into the trap of blaming Palestinian civilians for the atrocities of Hamas! Palestinian civilians are innocent good people"
Day 150
"It wasn't Hamas! It was Palestinian civilians that carried out those atrocities!"
Ohhh Okay.
Since Ryan Grim has such an issue with the headline of that article, lets change it to..
"Evidence suggests Palestinian civilians participated in the autrocities of Oct.7"
Is that a better headline?
Are you SURE that's what you want to go with??
P.S. Remember to NEVER appeal to authority, they're all liars and you are personally dumb for believing them.. Unless it's a random special forces guy who's implicating civilians in atrocities.
*atrocities. not whatever that poorly spelled thing is called.
Its a fine balancing act to be smug and morally superior while denying the absurdly obvious reality of 10/7 rapes and assaults
rapes and assaults? which ones ? the UN report could barely say that one happened
@@shameless5445 Find god
@@shameless5445assault is anything from smacking a butt to grape publicly in the streets
@@shameless5445 The UN is Palestinian propaganda
@@AdventureCraftGamer2There is no god to find between the rapes and assaults.
Hamas's acts of horror and savagery being downplayed and justified by some guy in an eagles t-shirt is just peak pro-palestine
Well, why are you downplaying the acts and savagery by a country that’s caused 25x the harm as Hamas (just in terms of bodycount, not to mention the property destruction, theft, starvation, destruction of cultural heritage sites)?
Edit: and that’s only counting what’s happened since Oct 7.
If you look up the prior 20 years of the conflict, you might be surprised to learn who was the actual aggressor and who was acting in self defense.
It's honestly really sad because in supporting hamas it only furthers the violence creating a vicious cycle very sad
@@Syzygy_Bliss You cannot commit SA in self defense.
@@Syzygy_Blissin a war started by the governing body in gaza, where hamas isn’t adequately protecting the civilians when israel responds (while israel gives a TON of warnings to the civilian population) it is pretty disgusting to say israel is the aggressor. the death toll that hamas is happy to let grow bc it helps them politically, is for both parties to answer to, not just israel. and yes the death toll is bad, but to blame israel alone is just incredibly irresponsible.
@@Syzygy_Blissyes, it is very obvious if you look into the last 20 years that Hamas is 100% the aggressor.
It seems Palestinian supporters claim two things at the same time
1. Civilians was raping women, not Hamas
2. Civilians all innocent victims, only Hamas responsible
Wow can you not fell any cognitive dissonance?
This is a gotcha for people that spend their time thinking of elaborate ways to justify ethnic cleansing
It's not ethnic cleansing if you start a war and is losing badly. Especially, if you're breaking ceasefires left and right and not giving back hostages.@@robdingus371
You know what's ethnic cleansing or attempt? Saying you want to wipe out a group of ppl and it's part of your manifesto which Hamas billionaire leaders have said countless of times.
The claim is not that civilians were raping women, it is that Hamas was not engaged in pre-meditated systematic sexual violence
because instead of just looking at what happened. you try to force it into what you "want". Supporting palestine is popular, therefore force the inconvenient facts out of what happened.
When can we start calling it antisemitism? I think the double speak here is just dog whistling at the end of the day.
If the rapes were committed by "regular Gazans" not by Hamas, does that mean Israelis are correct when they say there is no difference between the two?
🤔
How many alleged rapes against Israelis is equivalent to +30K Palestinian lives?
No. Those were most likely civilian gangs and criminals that got through. So No its not fair to paint millions of people as hamas or criminals
Israel doesn't say that.
The truth is Hamas dresses as civilians
Imagine setting out to disprove children rape/murder before you could even possibly know the truth.
isn’t that just as bad as claiming there were rapes before you have proof?
… isn’t one side of the conflict HEAVILY pushing the idea that there’s an organized rape campaign, again like you said, before you could even possibly know the truth?
Why doesn’t that bother you?
Isn't that the same as claiming there was some and the refusing to provide evidence?
That's literally what is happening to Palestinians. Wrong side zio
@@mmafyascoBelieve all women, except the Jewish ones... Btw, Muslims groups like this see absolutely no problem with SA and everyone knows it. Don't play dumb.
This guy is so invested in protecting Hamas from rape accusations! I'm waiting to hear him say "How do you know that it wasn't consensual sex?"
No evidence. Not 1 person has come forward who has been raped. In fact a family member stated the New York Times lied about their sister. Don't be silly, look at the evidence not Israeli propaganda. The spectators changed their version for the ideal war narrative.
Ryan's entire point: "Everybody has grievances, but Israel shouldn't "
I want this guy to explain away the video footage of Shani Louk‘s dead naked body being dragged through the streets of Gaza.
“I’m not denying sexual violence didn’t happen”
The argument is that an article claiming MASS premeditated SA is nonsense. And that’s why this story has been edited and altered multiple times since day ONE. Hope this helps.
@@wondashozen Not really. Because there was *MASS* premeditated *SA* by Hamas, according to the UN report.
*Le Monde:* _»UN report confirms sexual violence during Hamas attack on Israel. Following a mission lasting just over two weeks, the UN team found 'reasonable grounds to believe' that 'rape and gang rape' took place during the attack on October 7, 2023, while acknowledging the limitations of its own investigation.«_ (Published on March 7, 2024, at 7:09 pm Paris)
Destiny mentioned this report at *the very beginning of this debate.*
Some of these *SA cases* were basically live streamed on Oct 7th, e.g. Shani Louk, a naked female body dragged by Hamas.
And this guy claims these cases of clear and obvious *SA* weren't *premeditated* and weren't *done by Hamas.* What does that imply?
If that was true, that would mean the Israel's border walls are completely justified to protect Israeli and Egyptian women against Palestinian men, wouldn't it? The so-called »open air prison« enforced by Israel and Egypt would be completely justified, *according to this guy!*
Given that Ryan has said over and over that it course Hamas has killed civilians on October 7, I don't know what you think he would say about that video. The question is, are yall willing to acknowledge the IDF kills civilians on purpose regularly as well ?
@@morenitomoreno1282 Dude, dragging a naked female body through the streets is *SEXUAL VIOLENCE!* - And this Ryan guy is too dishonest to acknowledge it.
And that's just one example of *SEXUAL VIOLENCE* committed by Hamas on Oct 7th.
This Ryan guy claims there was *no provable* sexual violence. That's just plainly wrong.
Why do you deflect from the topic at hand?
@@morenitomoreno1282 Ryan said Hamas killed Israeli women and then implied that Palestinian civilians came in to rape their corpses. This guy made some insane claims.
Grape in islam is not forbidden, especially when it comes to sex slaves and war captives. To believe that Hamas is not capable of this is absurd.
Here we go with this muslimphobe bish
@@SaraSila08 Phobias are irrational fears. Pointing out that islamic countries have poor track records on women's rights is not a fear.
Yeah, literal sahih hadith directly from the mouth of the prophet allowing the Muslims to take Sex Slaves and explaining that it does not count as adultery if its done in war.
Aren't they having issues in Europe right now with a certain demographic gang graping...?
@@DarkPassenger They have been for literal years lmao, Rotherham grooming gangs, the mass SA that occurred in Germany on New Years a few years back, especially in Cologne. Its entirely hilarious.
Dude just keeps moving the goal posts, his "proof" is acceptable no matter how lame, evidence from the Israel side is all made up, he can barely speak a sentence clearly. This made my head explode.
give one example
The length the leftists go to NOT say anything in favor of Israel, it's insane.
Probably because leftists don't support genocidal settler colonial states.
i've seen a lot of mental gymnastics, but this beats it all.
Wtf you're talking about? We acknowledge Hamas committed a war crime or even an act of terrorism on October 7 but the true story here is how Zionists bend backwards to deny the long list of demonstrable lies Israeli officials have told since the attack which renders them totally non credible. No, it doesn't mean Hamas has to be trusted blindly either *which is why you have to rely on independent organizations and they all point to the Israeli government being the biggest liar here. Even MSM outlets who have rather anti Palestine and pro Israel history, are calling out these blatant lies more and more.
the mental gymnastics have been here by Destiny. he doesn't criticize the NTY article at all or rather doesn't have the same "smoke" that he has for the Intercept.
@@aweshumandyIt’s very clear to anyone who is objective here, that the attempt to discredit the article is not done in good faith. I’m no fan of the NYT, they’re usually very biased. With that said, this feeble attempt would be akin to someone saying that OJ Simpson was not guilty because one can find flaws with the court case.
The NYT article is not relevant, and attempting to debunk it is not done in good faith. It is done solely to propagate the lefts narrative.
The religion of peace has a very long standing tradition of grape; Yezidi women, Coptic women, and Jwish women have been constant targets. The most perfect man according to the religion of peace, was a notorious grapist.
So understanding historical context is crucial here
The Forensic Architecture investigation didn't say that an iron dome interceptor was most likely the cause of the explosion at the Al-Ahli hospital, they literally said it couldn't have been the iron dome interceptor seen on the video:
"From an altitude of 5km, any fragments from this explosion would have reached the ground 31s later in freefall. The hospital blast occurred only 8s later, meaning that this missile cannot have been responsible. "
This is their conclusion:
"While what happened at al-Ahli remains inconclusive, it is clear that in the aftermath of the explosion, the Israeli military launched an aggressive disinformation campaign. "
And this article is pretty biased since they don't mention the disinformation coming from the Palestinian side and don't mention the fact that Hamas took away the remains of what hit the Hospital.
Grim also said that the blast killed hundreds
and don't forget hamas holding a press conference in the literal middle of the hundreds of covered corpses of the people killed while 2 people cradle the bodies of 2 dead children infront of the speaker blaming Israel before it came out it was their own missile that did it
Why does it matter? What are you claiming? If youre claiming that Israel did not bomb hospitals, then say so. I've been looking for an easy slam dunk, and if your brain hasnt fully turned on yet, Im more than willing to get it here.
I mean there are literally multiple videos of hamas and Palestine civilians kidnapping and brutalizing israeli women. The Israeli women also happened to have a lot of blood on their groin areas.
Nah it’s all coincidence fr
I urge you to watch the documentary called The Occupation of The American Mind
The IDF said they had forensic and video evidence you mean. Which they later said wasn't true. Oopsie...
When you say 'The Israeli women' how many photos, videos, or whatever else have you seen? I have seen one personally. I couldn't stomach more. Maybe you can. Ryan Grim is not denying that rape happened. He and his colleagues are trying to shut down the narrative that is driving a (at least in part) starvation, massacre and (history and law will tell) genocide of a people that is partly being forwarded by systematic rape allegations. The 40 beheaded babies story was debunked. If you follow the conflict closely Israeli lies have been clearly shown again and again. As a former Army officer I can attest to you that many Videos on TikTok and Co show clear violations of armed conflict, if not display war crimes. You just choose a side. Or you just love Destiny and will attest to anything he says. Cult-like behavior frankly. You're not a humanist then. Debate bro-ing these issues is just stupid. I can do a How-Aboutism to your argument: Israeli soldiers have allegedly raped women in Gaza and beforehand in Israeli custody. What are we doing here??? There are children starving right now! Ryan Grim is an investigative journalist for fucks sake. With a great record. Destiny is a college drop-out with great rhetorical skills and maybe good research capabilities.
No no no no that’s just propaganda sir, you’ve been mislead. Propaganda propaganda propaganda
Why The Intercept and Grayzone aren't treated with the same level of mockery and derision as Breitbart is beyond me.
Bro they make Breitbart look like the AP or Newsweek.
Greyzone is a far left publication so it has a layer of protection by the deepstate communists...
Because they actually provide sources, evidence, and do real journalism? Why people still pretend NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc are real journalists is beyond me when we've seen time and time again all of them spreading lies and propaganda of the Pentagon and others without doing any due process of journalism.
Because they do real journalism unlike the pentagon's propaganda outlets that are NY Times, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc.
Breitbart is vastly superior to grayzone. Breitbart is conservative media, gray pushes holocaust denialist rhetoric and terrorist apologism
“I gotta run” best quote from Ryan..such a useful idiot
Tonkasaw….now that’s a name I have not heard in a long time.
He doesn’t have a Mercedes, he’s got a Benz!🤣🚗
it’s wild to just write off rapes completely. you’re telling me these dude who parachuted into israel with the intent to kill. drew the line at rape?
maybe it didn’t happen but to just write it off completely is insane
It is part of war, look what happens in Ukraine but to say that they weaponized rape when there was no reporting of massive rapes happening on Oct 7 is clearly a story made up to manipulate public opinion.
writing it off completely? And not stating it happened definitely before there is proof is not the same thing.
@@mmafyasco they are not the same thing this dude did the former
The intnet was to capture hostages as a bargaining chip also Gaza
He says there was probably rape. But was it ordered by the "elected" government as a mass campaign because they are evil? Gaza is being bombarded and people die every day and believing that they are evil makes it easy to keep it continuing. That's what he is saying. Destiny is a rookie.
Destiny is a 35 year old man's name
I remember when it used to be a 30 year old man's name....
BEEEETAAAA
the stripper name is fitting , given he's a prostitute .
JLP: “How old are you and do you play video games?”
D: “this is the 19th time we’re having this conversation.”
Amazin@@Starkogi
And this is why journalism is losing credibility.
chill, the intercept and the gray zone are not journalists, they are far left / tankie activists who consistently publish propaganda
wow, how ironic this comment is. bet you've done a lot of soul searching after being this dumb
Again - thank you. With so much misinformation, your determination and search for truth and the exchange of ideas is representative of today’s modern day muckrakers. Don’t stop.
Waste of money bro give this to homeless people
@@benjaminharrisiv650Isnt Destiny like living on welfare? He is practically homeless.
@@benjaminharrisiv650Any idea what most homeless people will do with that Benjamin, Ben?😂😂😂😂😂
@@stellarmadman compared to Hasan he is he wasn't even able to afford LA and compared to Candace he is giga poor
Lol bro too much $$ , hes rich already
Ryan and Krystal are the reasons I unsubscribed from Breaking Points.
Krystal and her lesbian husband are the most annoying talking heads on RUclips.
Krystal is insufferable
Yup I could respect their pov and disagree if they were pro-Ukraine anti Palestine but you can't hypocritically be pro Palestine while downplaying Russia being worse than Israel in Ukraine. That shows intellectual dishonesty or a hatred towards Ukranians/Jews.
If they aren't supposed to go to Israel you need to defend their right to hold on to Ukraine like Zelenskyy to deny that is stupid and will obviously lead to more colonization in Israel/Palestine.
@@JimboHotWingsI used to like each of them somewhat before they "joined forces". Since then, they're just unbearable, especially when they try to do those vlog style videos where they're in the car, at home, or even in bed together. I can't take them seriously, and especially him with that dye job. If he was doing it for charity or something I could understand, but jesus man, have some dignity.
Cool to only listen to things that agree with your opinions. May get triggered otherwise and that would be scary
Nah, I remember an episode of Breaking Points where Ryan was crying over what he heard allegedly happened to E Jean Carroll, and now he's defending it on Oct. 7th? Hypocrisy at its finest
Guy is a radical leftoid. He's got a book about the "squad" behind him. What do you expect?
I stopped watching rising I can't take the Israeli hatred
The case of E Jean Carroll has been heard and a verdict has been given a minimum of 2 times. The 2 people involved gave testimony, E Jean Carroll and Trump, and the testimony seems to have favored E Jean Carroll in both instances.
In what universe are you living where you see this as Ryan 'defending' what happened on 10/7? Why is trying to get the facts about what actually happened so triggering to everyone? What if a story was published soon after the 9/11 attacks claiming that passengers on the planes were raped? Would it be wrong for journalists to ask for some evidence for your claims or would you just believe it because you wouldn't want to be seen 'defending' the hijackers/murderers/terrorists?
@@jonathanwilliams1641 Except its obvious he is biased as fuck idk how this clown is a "journalist"
The irony should not be lost on us the guy who is criticizing the NYT for failing to adhere to journalistic standards was the primary pusher of the Tara Reade allegations.
Wait wot. Hes that guy that pushed that story that got her entire career ruined and moved to russian lol. If I remember correctly after that article came out, she came under such scrutiny that a number of cases that she had provided testimony for were re-examined and had to be tossed out because they determined she was a liar lol. No wonder this guy was defending October 7th.
Thats irrelevant to the point here tho. The NYT did push a narrative.
I mean the NYT hired an IDF member to write this story. Hes right on the point.
you rethinking your position yet?
Like saying that it was civilians that did the raping is better? it make it worst for the Palestinians
Almost like it’s a culture of disrespect for women.
He doesn't seem to understand that. That talking point just gives to credence to everything Israel says.
He is a complete idiot!!
You're being intentionally obtuse. What he's saying is that the NYT should not be reporting as fact that which it has no evidence for, especially if that reporting is being used to justify a slaughter of 10's of thousands.
These people are so stupid. I swear. They've done a 180. Imagine spending all your time to try to distance the civilian population from Hamas only to argue that it's probable that the civilians partook in the rapes in order to discredit Israeli propaganda.
i just dont understand why 90% of people are so unbelievably one sided in this conflict and cant take a honest look at both sides but instead deny, justify and relativize... what is more likely that one side does horrible things while the other are all saints? Or the simply truth that its in all humans nature to do horrible things in war and when they can dominate others?
They need the narrative to be one way to maintain their doublethink, it's psychologically painful when the truth is so far removed from their ideological narrative for all to see, so they have to try and rewrite reality
Im so glad this guy is getting ripped since the UN report was released
That report if you read says they had no power to investigate speak to witnesses only isreali authorities. It also said it found no evidence of systematic rape which was the charge
Lool the UN report specifically states all their sourcing comes from Israeli intelligence and could not independently fact check most claims 😅. Funny how Israel promotes the UN when it suits them, then attack them as anti-israel when they report on Israeli atrocities as well. Israel literally denies visas for the UN to investigate... What are they hiding...
Here are my issues with Grimm:
It’s clear that there is overwhelming evidence that some level of sexual violence was carried out on October 7th. Hamas was attacking on October 7th, many were in civilian clothes. If it wasn’t Hamas perpetrating the sexual violence then who was it? It doesn’t make sense for it to be anyone other than Hamas. He’s casting doubt by claiming it could have been regular Palestinian civilians, but that isn’t helpful because if anything that justifies Israel even further. There are only 2 groups it could be, Hamas or Palestinian civilians, obviously it’s way more likely that it was Hamas.
Btw the Quran has no punishment for rape
Or slavery.. only rule. You can’t enslave another Muslim….
OK, but muslim led governments do
@@thanatosdriver1938 examples?
@@Ameydusa1 I checked wikipedia for muslim countries and counted 51 muslim majority countries. I'll check for the sqare root of that and check for the top 8 populations with a muslim majority.
Indonesia) Articles 285 prohibits forcing or threatening force a woman to have sexual intercourse outside of marriage
Pakistan) Punishment for rape in Pakistan under the Pakistani laws is either death penalty or imprisonment of between ten and twenty-five years
Bangladesh) In Bangladesh, the punishment for rape is provisioned in section 9 of the Nari O Shishu Nirjatan Daman Ain 2000
Egypt) Rape in Egypt is a criminal offense with penalties ranging from 15 to 25 years and a lifetime sentence if the rape included abduction. Marital rape is legal.
Turkey) Sexual assault as defined under the second paragraph of the article 102 (with the exception of when committed against spouse) and sexual abuse of children as defined under the second paragraph of the article 103
Iran) Rape (zina-be-onf) is related to adultery, has the same proof requirements, and is punishable by death by hanging
Algeria) Under Algerian law, rape is punishable by up to 10 years' imprisonment, but it is not defined
Sudan) Rape has been recognized as a crime in Sudan's criminal codes of 1925, 1974, 1983 and 1991
For the biggest 8 muslim majority countries rape is illegal. Not categorically illegal but illegal still
@thanatosdriver1938 Muslims can trade slaves in Mauritania and Eritrea today. Infact christian charities go to these countries to buy slaves and set them free.
krystal Ball is going to have a really bad time watching this
😂😂😂
His argument is that the violence was not a stated part of the campaign...
that doesnt mean that hamas terrorists didnt do it. So hes only arguing that there is no evidence that the stated aim of the invasion / attack was to commit SV against Israelis. Thats a moot point. DID THEY OR DID THEY NOT COMMIT THESE ACTS. The EVIDENCE says that women were SAd. Whether the organization of hamas had it as a stated goal or not doesnt matter.
It wasnt a stated policy during WW2 that the US would execute the SS instead of take them prisoner after it was discovered they had commited a mass killing of PoWs, but what did the US army do? they executed SS soldiers who surrendered or were captured. Stated objective and objective reality here. What occurred vs what policy was almost doesnt matter.
Why did it take me so long to scroll to get to a comment like this?
I feel like they're making up a narrative of people accusing Hamas of a specific SV campaign to obfuscate from the actual claims of Hamas committing SV, regardless of whether there was a campaign or not.
@@WanderTheNomadIt’s honestly so weird to even see self proclaimed feminists on RUclips defend Hamas on this and go like “okay maybe they did rapes but it was not an intended goal !”. All of a sudden when we talk about those groups they sounds just like chuds
by his own argument the Nakba never happened since there were never official instructions for it.
@@WanderTheNomadread the NYT article. They literally make that claim.
Yeah and I would fully support that if that's what he presented in the video
instead what he presented in the video was being the final boss for appeals to authority, implying conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory, repeatedly believing testimony of either people who weren't there or people with incentives to lie without having any evidence to back it up, and arguing that civilians rather than hamas were committing the rapes because of one guy seeing guys dressed as civvies and going "they were civvies"
Before I watched this video, I imagined what he was going to say was "look, I'm sure hamas soldiers were committing rapes, but there is little to no evidence that this was a systematic weaponization of sexual violence from the top down." and I was fully prepared to agree with that take, I WISH that was the take he gave. If war after war has taught us anything it's that fucking soldiers rape, in pretty much every war there are soldiers who rape, go with that line of reasoning instead of whatever this shit was.
That Al-Ahli story he's talking about does not even come CLOSE to claiming it was the Israeli interceptor that caused that damage, such a gross misrepresentation of facts, their claim was that an interceptor did in fact hit the rocket, but that the rocket's fuel had all been spent by the time the interceptor hit it, meaning that Hagari's claims that the explosion radius was increased by unspent fuel would be false. At no point in the article did they suppose they knew what caused the explosion, in fact they quite literally say at the end that it is uncertain what did happen at Al-Ahli still, just that they were disproving Israel's claims because they were false.
They also never mentioned ANYTHING about deflection?????? He's actively just lying.
Iron Dome doesn't intercept rockets at launch or while they are in Gaza airspace. The idea that an interceptor was in operation anywhere near a Gazan hospital is absurd on the face of it.
@@avishevin1976 honestly I tried to do research into how far the Iron Dome fires and whether it intercepts deep into Hamas territory and couldn't really find much (also I'm just no expert on counter missile ordinance in general), but either way whether or not it's incorrect he still completely misrepresented the points presented in that article. He made it sound like they had found the magic bullet that killed those people at Al-Ahli but that article claimed nothing of the sort.
The ultimate “conspiracy theorists”
I love how easily he describes people being butchered like cattle, sexually abused. While he is trying to prove the assaults are not systematic, but instead committed by ordinary civilians. This is a whole new level of cynicism.
Thank you🙏🙏
Insane that Destiny knows more about the facts surrounding Oct 7 than a journalist lmao. Ryan Grim got dog walked.
Ryan knows the facts, he is lying for an agenda
Did you even watch the whole video? Destiny is trying to nitpick journalism standards because it doesn’t fit his narrative. One is rooted in journalistic integrity and the other is being an internet contrarian.
@@TheMykr0 Ryan's whole article is doing that to the NYT wtf are you on about.
@@TheMykr0 I too hate it when contrarians ask me "did you ask for evidence of the claims people made?" Why can't they just accept everything I've been told and will be telling everyone else without any evidence!! I am a serious journalist!
@@TheMykr0 Journalistic integrity is when you only ask people that go along with your narrative and never the other side, I guess.
Bro, you're full of it.
Twitter Files Debate 2: Electric Boogaloo
What's crazy to me is that even if these assaults never happened, this guy is straight up admitting children were slaughtered, innocence were slaughtered in cold blood. How is that not enough for justification alone?
Rape denial when all evidence points to sex crimes and rape is absolutely heinous and disgusting! This man is disgraceful.
No evidence. Not 1 person has come forward who has been raped. In fact a family member stated the New York Times lied about their sister. Don't be silly, look at the evidence not Israeli propaganda. The spectators changed their version for the ideal war narrative.
Lots of big names on this channel lately. Good for you!
Sadly Ryan Grimmjob is in that camp
True but who the fuck is this guy?
@@semimad100 just another actual journalist embarassing Destiny for blindly pushing Israeli propaganda.
@@semimad100ryan grim
This was great. Destiny needs to talk to Krystal. I want to see some real fireworks.
She’d resort to cringey virtue signaling when she starts losing or it gets to heated like she does with Saagar
She'd laugh off any valid points brought up and/or say "I don't really care about this" brushing certain details as unimportant, unworthy of discussion.
I dont think kyle would want that
It is insane to see how hard most of you guys simp for Destiny. He is so unbelievably uninformed on this issue and doesn't want to actually learn because he is so obviously set on his views. It is mind-boggling to see how he rambles nonsense to talk himself out of his lack of knowledge, and you all fall for it. Lmao. Ryan lacks the ability to strongly defend his points, but his points on the majority on this, especially journalism, are accurate, and it's not that difficult to understand. Krystal, however, would absolutely crush Destiny. The simps will still be lost though, lmao, since Destiny is obsessed with keeping Israel on the strangest pedestal. Wild.
This guy is the reason everyone hates journalists.
Man, how embarrassing. This guy went to the DigiBro school of debate.
Christ what a callback
@@roymarshall_ that shit is permanently seared into my brain.
That name sounds so familiar.. whats the lore?
Who? Destiny?
bro, digi is such a shame because his anime reviews at the time were insanely good
Wow. Never realized how gross it is to cover for rap-ists with such flimsy reasons.
Destiny kiddos crying when asked for evidence hahaha. Asking someone to disprove unproven allegations 😂
You are so sad and desperate to paint them as r*pists, you can't ask someone to unprove an allegation and think you're onto something. This is so typical of destiny fans.
And it's not gross to label them that with evidence that is flimsy as all hell? I seem to recall a NYT article that was recently exposed as being a total fabrication that dealt with that very topic. Then again, you support Destiny who is on record as being an Israel apologist/genocide denier.
@@googane7755So we know sexual violence was occurring during the brutality, and we know Hamas is just chill with indiscriminately shooting as many civilians as they can. They’re brutal murderers but of course they definitely aren’t rapists right ?
Satire @@tempacc9589
Wow, Grim smoked Destiny!
Where
45:00 ofcourse Israel is sending back aids truck when they find abnormalities in the truck vs what's listed on the trucks shipping manifesto??? It shows a deliberate attempt to smuggle in items without declaring it. That shows a sinister motive and must be dealt with accordingly. Blame the people packing the trucks, not Israel.
I was a huge breaking points fan from when Krystal and Saagar were the hosts of Rising on the Hill. Used to listen to their news every work day at lunch and kept up to date but it has become unbearable the past couple years since they were completely wrong about the Ukraine war. Now they double down on their contrarian anti-American allies takes and I can't take them seriously or listen very much at all.
They were smugly ignorant about the buildup of the Russian army on the border calling NATO paranoid and stupid for preparing for the worst and then gaslit and barely took any accountability for their own stupid predictions being blown out of the water and completely false.
Instead of being humble at all, thinking that maybe their world view and bias led to them being incorrect they doubled and tripled down on useful idiot anti-Ukraine videos while minimalizing Russia's harm.
I can respect and enjoy conversations or debates with someone who is anti-Israel but pro Ukraine or neutral on that. Or someone who is anti-Ukraine but pro Israel or neutral on that. A Westerner who is anti-Ukraine and anti-Israel is usually an idiot who eats up any anti-American edgy worldviews or is legitimately hateful towards Jews and Ukrainians. If you don't want Jews settling Israel then you have to logically defend them guarding and living in their other homeland - the Pale of Settlement like Zelenskyy does.
I hope one day they mature and move past these stupid contrarian points of view and emotion led reporting but every month for the past 2 or 3 years now their titles become more clickbait and stupid and they succumb to audience capture desperately lying and spreading propaganda to appease their stupid populist-right viewerbase. It used to have a pretty evenly split viewership politically and I hoped as viewers became more and more right leaning they and especially Krystal could keep their integrity and pro-Bernie style messaging she started with but instead they sold out.
Well said bro 🤝
I can't stand all the thumbnails of krystal looking at the camera with smug indignation.
What the fuck are you on about? Krystal is the one with the vast majority of shit takes on breaking points.. especially regarding this recent conflict.. and who is actually giving her shit (well deserved) in the comments?.. these supposed "populist far right wing guys" you claim breaking points is trying to appease
The only people she's trying to appease are far left weirdos obsessed with Palestine
Also what is this anti Ukraine and anti Israel nonsense? You act like people have a deep seated hatred of both.. when in most normal cases.. people are anti chucking billions of dollars at other countries.. while we have MANY problems at home
Especially as in Ukraines case we have no clue 2 years and billions of $ later.. with generations of Ukrainians decimated.. what the fuck is going on and how we end the war
I guess this is also "anti" American somehow 😂
Same
It sucks seeing them become as bad as Main Stream Media if not worse between the innacurate/emotion baiting news and their smug never wrong attitude.
Their blatant anti Ukraine anti Israel bias has ruined their good faith perception because now it is obvious that their takes on other issues will be based on the political leaning of their audience not facts so i'll get my news somewhere more accurate and less aggravating to watch.
It would be one thing if they had these points of views and had guests on to disagree in good faith but they won't bring someone like Destiny on to the show to have an informed fact based debate instead it's emotional shit slinging to pander to more views.
Even Kyle Kulinksi's show has gone WAY downhill since associating with those clowns during their fall from grace (again they used to be really solid a couple years ago pre-Ukraine war)
I wonder if he’s embarrassed or even intellectually capable of embarrassment
He can tell they're not hamas by looking at them.. like how a cop can tell when someone's up to no good 😂
😂 Dumbest thing he said right off the bat I couldn’t take anything else he said seriously
The thing that’s so frustrating about these last few videos (Candace and Ryan) is that people are quick to call out Destiny for being contrarian or for constant denialism, when the ask is very simple- what is the evidence for this huge claim you’re making, does it hold up under scrutiny?
That’s because these people think anyone who disagrees with them or ask them to critically think about what they believe to be obvious things is just being a contrarian. They literally can’t fathom that someone else has a genuine disagreement or worse they see any genuine disagreement, where they actually hold someone’s feet to the fire is just being contrarian, and the way to shut down the conversation it’s like if I say, all you ever do is disagree with me and then you reply no, I don’t and then I look at you smugly… it’s like what else were you supposed to say? I either have to disagree with you or I have to say yes either way I prove the point….. from a stupid person’s perspective anyways, reasonable people would obviously recognize how absurd that situation is. It’s just another form of dishonesty.
Candace is a woman, but what's his excuse ?
What's honestly frustrating is you just took Ryan's entire stance / thesis for his articles (WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THIS MASSIVE CLAIM MADE BY NYT [and IsraeliGovernment]?) And then said it was Destiny's argument.
Ryan's entire point was that any journal with integrity (especially the NYT ffs) would NEVER make such a bold, massive claim in their headline( Hamas systematically weaponised rape as part of their assault), only to back it up with...
One testimony from a guy specifically saying he saw *a* rape, but not by hamas.
One testimony from an unreliable source who also claimed multiple other outlandish atrocities that have been completely debunked and admitted to be false. Who's original testimony also was false (hence it being edited spliced for propaganda)
And one story where the evidence is that a person found the body of a woman with torn underwear.
He even says it's highly unlikely that there weren't acts of sexual violence.
However, hundreds, if not thousands of people poured through the breaches into Israel. And the evidence for Hamas inflicted widespread systemic sexual violence is... one debunked storyteller, one witness specifically saying "what I saw was not done by Hamas" and one person claiming to see torn underwear on a dead hostage's body.
Newsflash bombs blow/burn/tear off clothing too. Or a million other possibilities.
So again, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THE CLAIM IN THE TITLE?
the fact it was "reported" on by an ex Israeli Intel officer (with 0 prior journalistic pieces) and her nephew, also hurts the pieces perceived (and likely actual) objectivity.
Destiny was pretty much saying why do the lies of the NYT matter, when he constantly complains about that hospital shit. In this instance he was being a contrarian.
Destiny is doing the exact same thing Ryan is doing. Whenever Destiny needs to show evidence he just goes "Oh look at the NYT's article and what they said in it." He doesn't question or scrutinize whatever claims are made. He just points to whoever the witness is and then just accepts it. Does he scrutinize any of it? No. This is the guy who continues to say "Israel will call up the building and tell them to get out before bombing them!" In bad faith because they are literally not doing that. He keeps appealing to what Israel used to do in order to obfuscate the reality on the ground.
Ryan: Why won’t you let me do an appeal to authority.
Sane people: Because that’s a definitionally incorrect argument.
Ryan: nO. No. No. YoU wRonG
Destiny does the same thing all the time to
@@Snootz86can we get a source on that? At least one
@@Snootz86
And I make fun of him for it too…? I don’t think that consistently making the same point is the position you think it is
@jloiben12 yeah sorry bro.. I am not totally unhinged.. so I don't go around following every randoms comment history before posting
@@wilsonsanabia4259 all his videos
So how did the Times stretch the truth? “Well you look at the way they wrote it” Top tier journalism
That’s Ryan Grimmjob for you
To translate his stuttering.
"They ended up in between their legs." Could maybe mean they sat on the woman while butchering her.
I cant imagine that being the case, but its a possibility.
In the end if we had a definitive follow up statement of the source it would be better.
But man.
This 'journalist' makes me feel ill. Something about him
-stanleys voice-
"You see, you have to listen to the pauuuusees"
“I don’t know what that means🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️”
between the legs?😂so willingly ignorant.
Is this guy for real? I have never seen anyone try deny rape this hard. This has to be an act.
The more Destiny debates these pro-Palestine folks, the more I'm convinced the Pro-Palestine side is full of shit.
No shit Sherlock
Have journalists always been this awful or has something happened to them.
It's always been bad
Always important to remember that these are the people OTHERs are citing as their main sources for their opinions.
Basically the UN at this point is known to have had workers to take part in the massacre.
Yet this dude still quotes them as an unbiased authority on the matter.
exactly lmao
Insane that these people have convinced themselves they're actually correct or smart
Lmao
This man is genuinely with a lot of competition the most despicable person destiny's had on during the Israel arc. He makes my skin crawl
I can tell you - using my highly trained special forces vision - that he is not a civilian even though he dressed like one, he is a propaganda soldier
Destiny... How could you...
YOU 35 YEAR OLD MAN!
Hey cousin
@@grandohuckabee yo what up
insert "You do get how that's worse right?!" meme
Didnt think id live through a second holocaust denial arc
Sounds like you support the Holocaust in Gaza. History has taught you nothing!
Trying my best not to type “strong black woman talking” 😭😭😭 no I can’t help it
It’s a video game’s name.
It’s not fair!
A bad day for annoying people
@@SomersBugtopiatrueeee
Hey it's the inflatable pilot from the movie Airplane!
Destiny -" how can he not knows its hamas"
Ryan - "because hes special forces"
Idk how this guy is a reputable "journalist" when he uses sources like that lmao
7:45
This is the kinda shit we call a journalist now? Insane?
If palestians dont consider any israeli to be civilian because they are "settlelers" why does israel need to consider palestians civilian when the civilians themselves are taking part in the fight?
exactly, my head hurts.
Has Israel accepted a Palestinian state? If not then why do you hold Palestinians to a higher standard? Would you accept a group of people whose intention was always to ethnically cleanse you?
@@adamgates1142 israel has literally offered a palestinian state many times. i and many other israelis are for a pali state, just fucking leave us alone. it's what happened in gaza in 2005 when the idf withdrew, and then guess what happened? gazans elected hamas and started firing rockets on civilian cities.
@@adamgates1142Its the same standard not a higher one. Just because they are barbaric a baseline of humanity looks like too much to achieve😂
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I hope this goes viral and just exposes the lack of genuity in some journalism today
It exposes the lack of your understanding that he's simply critiquing the headline of the NYT article :) also most of the comment section not recognizing how he's criticizing their journalistic standard when they allow such a far reaching title to justify the attack on Gaza..
What program is that that destiny can crop out and grab images from? That ms paint?
Ok so if i come upon a dead woman and her clothes are missing or only her underwear is missing it isn't grape anymore, according to this dude wow.
Without forensic evidence or witness testimony no. Especially if you are just an untrained civilians. I mean are you that stupid that something the obvious needs to be explained to you?
Islamists commit SA in war. Why is this even remotely controversial?
because the claim is that hamas used it as an intentional tool of war, which provides another excuse to continue to starve children to death in gaza
The “anyway let’s move on” panic is fun 😂
Aren't journalists supposed to be objective and not insanely biased?
This was a masterclass. Out of all the debates and conversations, this one just exemplified the benefit of destiny’s research so far. Grimm was cornered the whole time, and to think I respected him as a journalist
It shows a professional debater vs someone who is far better at writing than speaking.
@@michaelh878 unfortunately not the case. The intercept article and research was flawed
Grim was responsible for the Tara Reade misinformation. You can't trust his reporting.
@@iTopHati The NYT article was far more flawed which should be the main issue but because of the obvious bias of destiny and his community that is being obscured.
@@michaelh878 The New York times article had a clickbait headline that got you to read the article. That's it. While the evidence that they used in, it was not the best, it's still pointed to a pattern of Hamas committing sexual acts of violence. This dude's whole argument was that the article shouldn't have been titled that because it wasn't a systematic campaign planned by Hamas..... It's such a stupid argument that I can't believe people would take it seriously. This guy says there was no such thing as the sexual assault happening because we don't have direct eyewitness for it. Which is funny because we do have something else video evidence It was live streamed by the Hamas spiders that broke through. It was all over telegram and rumble. Jesus Christ, this guy is dishonest.
this dude don't even know how iron dome works... journalist lol
"As a journalist" bro we get it
At this point, my argument is: I'm on the side that lets fine honeys dance at raves, not the one that wraps them in garbage bags in the desert.
Destiny is a MAN's NAME🥶🍧
A 35 year old man’s name, god damnit!
He is NOT a black woman
@@pinkerproductions7420 oh no, oh boy, ur gonna get banned, be careful! 😨
@@pinkerproductions7420😂
Bro how can you on one hand be so smug and say things like "as a journalist if you put something in the article you have to back it up" and the proceed to demonstrate you have close to zero ways to back up your claims
As a military officer in reserve, I can tell that you can not distinguish between a Hamas terrorist and a civilian.
Somebody cooked here, felt like the Twitter files guys 😂
Shame that this blatant propagandist passes as a journalist these days
This debate reminded me of the Twitter files debate. Basic things you think a self proclaimed journalist do, they fail to do time and time again.
Remember when journalists care about facts and truth? Pepperidge farm remembers
People who keep bringing up their credentials should be aware how it achieves the precise opposite they're aiming for.
these convos are so blackpilling , how can these nut jobs be so confident whilst being So SO wrong 😭😭hahaha
@@davidmagrass6728define Genocide in a way that doesn’t make every urban war in the past 100 years genocide.
@@davidmagrass6728yeah I second the other guys comment. What definition of genocide are you using that would include this but not any other modern war such as Iraq or Russia Ukraine?
@@davidmagrass6728 ok then can you name a war that's not genocide in your opinion?
Even if there were multiple other groups and civilians who broke through on Oct 7th, Hamas organised it. How did all these other groups know when to co-ordinate the attack? Because Hamas involved them.
It's actually much harder to sue over a headline. It is not held to the same standard as the body of the article. That's why you will often see headlines that are blatant lies and there is no legal action.
Some advice for the HAMAS glazers: You can lie about specifics of Oct 7th because no one knows the details 100%. When you mix in other lies that are easily proven it makes the rest of your lies more visible.