Noah Samsen Debates Destiny's Tweets And Loses
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Destiny reacts to Noah Samsen's video on his tweets
Date: 4 Mar, 2024
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@@will-vi9pkit’s not out yet
i always thought Stephen had the answers
destiny has 4 304's waiting at a beach. we are all losers comparedto him
Why your wife left
Noah thought Destiny was just some chick who just tweeted her feelings. Nope Destiny IS, in fact, a strong independent woman who doesn’t need to be mansplained to.
Just FYI - you're not funny.
I'm going to have to side with@@smoqueed44 here. A comment isn't funny if it's just the boring old truth 😒
I would recommend spicing future comments up with a well-placed " amazin' " or "gnome".
@@smoqueed44 Crap you mean I have to take back my laugh?
@@smoqueed44 thanks for the heads up, i no longer consider it funny
The "Destiny" persona is actually a debate tactic to unveil his opponent's racist and sexist prejudices.
Noah Samsen is a sleeper DGG agent who made the video to get a response to give US content… thank you Noah.
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my favorite part was destiny's gamerchair psychology to try and explain why people believe what they believe lol. we love pseudoscience!
@@snowballeffect7812not pseudoscience, he just stated how he thinks peoples beliefs form around each other in groups.
@snowballeffect7812 thats interesting i didnt know he was tryna brainwash us like tht. What did he say that was incorrect?
@@yr3igs didn't catch the "constellation" theory is just something he literally just made up? lol. is this supposed to be the community that actually knows how to think for themselves critically?
I love how Noah pretends to not really know Destiny 😂 I guess him, Hasan, and Finklestein all play the childish game.
So comical he is like "yea i think his name is uhh Destiny or something" then procedes to read a hand selected montage of his tweets
He did a video on the online debate world which was like 70% destiny hahaha
So weird. Why cant you admit that you know the guy? I might overreact, but it looks so sociopathic. Like: "i need to act as if i dont know him so audience dont question me about reporting badly"
I took that as a joke
@@caitlin8349I did too but it's Noah "Stache Looks Suss" Samson.
This is not the finklestein debate
Pinklepeen
@@kayt9627booger fart
Holy shit dude I think you might be right
Dinklestein
Ye where do we watch that?
Noah should stick to making fun of alpha male tik tokers. He doesn’t know enough about politics
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my newborn is trans
@@TransKidsMafia Get a job
@@TransKidsMafialol
@TransKidsMafia
Bait is too obvious
Sorry sweaty try again.
That "boys are yucky" type of content.
How to make a Noah Samsen video (step-by-step):
1) Pick out a hyper specific statement by someone without examining their overall position
2) Misquote or misunderstand facts to support your argument
3) Spend 30% of the video trying to emotionally manipulate your audience via moral outrage to think you're right
4) Casually send stray AD Hominem attacks that are completely irrelevant to the point.
5) Refuse to actually interact with the person your targeting, making it impossible for them to refute your points to your audience
6) Get a better mustache.
"BEYTA!"
-JLP
The way you wrote this it seems like you are a big fan of his mustache, and that makes you gay
This is what Noah did to Vaush too lol
@@GchildwarriorJordan Lordan Peterson
@@benvel3392 Jesse Lee Peterson lmao
Noah Sampson never had an issue with Saudi Arabia killing 350k in Yemen. Never had an issue with Boko Haram killing 300k in Nigeria and displacing 2 million. Never had an issue with islamists removing Christians from Iraq almost completely after these ppl had been there for almost 2000 yrs.
Doesn't have an issue wiith literally all arab countries committing human rights violations.
The only reason they have an issue with Israel, its because this time the target defends themselves and this time they are not doing the killing
Noah and Hasan's view on geopolitics is just west= poopyhead
how do you know any of this lol seems like your stating your opinion as fact
@@deandredunbar9618can you post Noah’s statements or videos criticizing these other countries killing mass amounts of people?
@@deandredunbar9618Silence is violence and he loves Hamas.
He did not say he is okay with Boko Haram or the war in Yemen afaik. If you can point to me where he did, I will change my mind. He is a bit of an idiot, but he is not as hypocritical as you make him seem. He never said he is ok with arab human rights violations.
You are engaging in the same type of dumb shit that Noah is. Do better
Thank you Noah for providing us with some content in this dry spell. A true DGGer at heart.
Very dry, Steven needs to move on
I think Destiny is wrong about the Jim Crow era not being an apartheid. It was a systematic segregation of a racial group to maintain dominance by restricting civil and political rights. America's Jim Crow is basically a 1 to 1 comparison with South African Apartheid.
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NOT EVEN CLOSE lolzzz NOT EVeN CLoSE buddy
Do you understand there are SOME some white southies that never EVEN SEEN a black African in there ENTIRE life! Lolzz
For it to be 1-to-1 with apartheid, whites would have to be the minority. Jim Crow and the overall legacy of slavery and race relations in America are another specific history.
Not sure what the context of destiny's determination on that topic is but if I had to guess I think he'd say the distinction as to what level of government something occured on matters. Apartheid was a nation-level program of discrimination, Jim Crow was a more local/state-level occurrence which was not necessarily enforced from the top down. Not entirely sure what the official exact def of apartheid is tho so maybe it doesn't matter.
20:05 "color fatigue" is also the reason why medical providers all wear blue scrubs, blue gloves, masks, sponges, drapes, towels, etc. during surgery so that colors like red (blood) are more noticeable.
Wrong, it's only so they can feel superior to clinitians, lol!
So cool. Its a small thing, bu this makes me think "damn people are smart"
Thats cool
And if we are talking about art in general, Blue is a cool color, red is a warm color, so its avery natural contrast too.
And blue is also a very conforting/calm color, while red can be related to blood and violence( love in some cases), thats why people say "I see red" and not "see blue"
Lmao, Noah actually concluded with "no i dont want to talk to you about it, youre probably a lolicon anyway" 😂
Well he does let other men have his wife
@@prometheusunbound-u3c Is that a thing lolicons are known for?
@@user-lh7mt7zo7l no but that is pretty degenerate tell me is being progressive also synonimous with being a perverte or weird in bed for that is only Destiny liberał view is his sex view eveything else he is kkk
Noah trying to salvage whatever he can from his absolutely horrendous performance in his "debate" against vaush is hilarious. Brief summary: Vaush asked Noah to debate a position he disagreed with on stream and Noah backpedaled so hard that he ended up AGREEING Vaush by the end of it.
I remember that it was so funny, dude folded with the simplest questions
But destiny, did you ever think about genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide, horse, genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide.
Finally though he watches it, hopefully RUclips stops recommending me Hassan 's reaction to the video.
Is this like the experiment in which people don't notice the gorilla passing through the basketball game?
There’s a built in way to avoid seeing certain videos. I use it to avoid seeing that PBD podcast guy. 😂
@@WhiteBuffaloWakanGliyou can sadly only blacklist channels in your recommended feed. As soon as you search for any political youtuber video you're going to get a million Hasan reaction videos to it from a dozen different Hasan stan channels.
No, I thought "Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid"
But I seen another guy say "Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers, Settlers"
And
"Lot Dead People, Lot Dead People, Lot Dead People, Lot Dead People, Lot Dead People, Lot Dead People, Lot Dead People, Lot Dead People, Lot Dead People, "
Convincing arguments, really. When you say them enough. Like not taking No for an answer
I had to manually block like 4 of Cenks Nephew channels to make them stop appearing in my feed
Why not just have a conversation? I’m so tired of dishonest actors making hit pieces and never actually engaging with the person
these people don't want to argue in good faith (sometimes knowingly, sometimes not). they just wanna find camaraderie with the ingroup by shitting on the outgroup
@@codeinetcetera This , destiny isn't shy to argue with these dumbfucks, but they are the ones who're dodging debates all the time because they want to make their lil hitpiece without pushback
Destiny has the rhetorical/articulation skills to beat most people in a debate arguing in favor of crazy shit like incest.
Noah just doesn’t have the rhetorical practice to do a live debate against Destiny in a way that would put him in any better of a position than his video is in now.
@@Crooshka so instead he should just argue against cherry picked tweets?
@@Crooshkayou guys live in rhetoric land.
Have you tried facts and principles?
Noah Samsen is a grade A regard.
Regard
Rard.
Heavily regarded fr
Reported for hate speech. Have a nice night.
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3 views in 20 seconds bro fell off
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Carpet cleaning it is
@@bazooka712 Carpet Cleaningstiny 😔
@@intermediate212Cleanstainy
218 likes and 3 replies bro fell off
A left winger using the word "liberal" as a label to assign to someone that they disagree with is so baffling to me. It seems to be a pretty good indicator that this person has fallen off the deep end.
Well yeah, he’s a literal commie.
Perhaps further confirmation of the horseshoe theory.
Classical liberalism is quite literally the modern conservative position. Ben Shapiro for example is technically a classical liberal. I guess the modern distinction here is that they're not socially progressive or regressive and just exist to impede change which is why it's used as an insult by both right and left wingers.
@@googane7755 but liberalism is a pretty broad group of ideas. Very different governments can both be “liberal”. Noah isn’t just talking about Ben Shapiro here, he’s talking about progressive democrats as well. I think people are pointing out that it is odd that leftists point to this entire paradigm as problematic, and groups people like Ben Shapiro and progressive democrats together.
@@HamburgerHat1 It might just be an anti establishment thing if all liberals are grouped together. Like I only really noticed this becoming a trend during Biden's presidency when he continued a lot of trump era policies and the war in Gaza.
that mustache guy is such a dork. the way he folded when irishladdie mildly pushed him
lmao
When was this?
@@randybobandy9828it was some "anti-debate" video Noah did in the past. Idk if it's still up, but pretty sure that Vaush's response to it still is
u make fun of his mustache but destiny’s beard is fighting for his life lmaooo
@@inthefrozen3632 didn’t make fun of his mustache my guy. also, i don’t care for anyone’s facial hair. you weirdo
When did stupid haircuts and bad mustache’s become popular again?
Mom: we have scumbag dad at home!
the scumbag dad at home:
The q's
He walked into his barber and asked for the “video essayist producing 15-25 minute videos involving green screen and a handheld microphone” cut
Destiny has a grease nest on his head bro
@@mr.bigweld8138 And it’s still better than mullet and mustache all these RUclipsrs seem to have.
Yfw you unplug your opponent's controller and STILL lose. Yikes
Someone needs to tell Noah that Smug ironic remarks aren’t evidence
It's kind of the 'video essayist' specialty lol
It’s a bread tube requirement to have as much snark as possible
The dead and multiple israelis talking about pushing palestinians to other countries is
Destiny litterally skipped through all the evidence and now you are saying there is no evidence???
you have not watched the video, drone
"This is genocide!"
"Not by definition, no."
"That's not the point! Bad things are happening!"
You’re a clown
"This is genocide!...Well, why does it matter what it is!"
😂😂😂😂😂
I think people get too caught up in the semantics. large amounts of innocent people are being killed in gaza and it needs to stop. was that so hard?
😂Noah is like Hasan, mad that Terrorists Failed October 7th
Aaaah Noah, the dollar store Hasan Piker.
@destiny why did you skip over the entire section where Noah outlined the anti palestinian rhetoric of Israeli officials, including Netenyahu. This was the most damning piece of evidence and I really wish you addressed it. Devastating war tactics does not equal Genocide but Devastating war tactics plus genocidal rhetoric by the soldiers and officials does equal genocide.
Nope, it doesnt.
@senatordodo4240 if you agree that the IDF is waging a devastating war in Palestine and if you agree the rhetoric coming from the IDF and other influential leaders of the Israeli government including their President, is genocidal in nature, I fail to see how that does not meet the threshold of special intent.
@senatordodo4240 if we can agree that Israel is waging a devastating war in Palestine and we can also agree that the Israeli government is using genocidal propoganda directed toward the IDF I fail to see how this doesn't not prove speci intent.
@@SenatorDodo09Terrible response
@@shrisiva4016 "genocide is when war tactics kill a bunch of more civilians than in other conflicts plus nebulous genocide rhetoric"
Where's that definition
Anyone else noticing an ideological overlap in between the radical left and militant Islam?
Yes Authoritarianism couched behind other reasonings.
Yes and it would be hilarious if it weren't so disgusting
When it comes to jews, there is a lot of handshakes going around between camps that would normally be antagonistic towards eachother. 👀
@@Naaldersyou should wonder why
Yes, it's ridiculous.
I love how Noah clearly gets his opinions from twitter and the occasional RUclips video whereas Destiny has like 40 pages of detailed notes with sources lol
Doesn't destiny mostly use wikipedia for his research?
@@feloniousshlongand your mom
@@feloniousshlong
Wikipedia the main points , but reads articles and started reading books on the subject as well.
@@derusmares9508 okay, Israel is known to employ fake accounts to influence wikipedia pages, even Israeli papers have admitted as much. If he is mainly sourcing from wikipedia, I hope he's aware of that.
@@feloniousshlong Are you incapable of watching videos or something? He demonstrates in this video that he's read multiple U.N. and ICJ declarations.
Destiny skipped over the part where Noa actually goes into multiple statements of israeli stateofficials with possibly genocidal intent. Which makes his entire response look like he evaded the crucial point of the video.
“Possible genocidal attempt” aka we interpret it as whatever we want
And first, loser ass politicians saying what can be perceived as genocidal statements, does not mean a genocide is going on. Majorie Taylor Greene or even biden can say we are going to destroy every Mexican in Mexico, but if the actions don't reflect that and there are preemptive measures to avoid that, then it's not a genocide
@@maxis2778 'If actions don't reflect that' Jesus Christ I can't believe you typed that out
@@friendlypup5650 Hi tler - 'The time of the J ew is over!'
'Well you know this statement is subjective, we can't say this means he was ge nocidal'
Except he doesn’t he takes out of context quotes that are edited down and lies about the South Africa report 🤣
Watching Noah Samsen trying to engage with politics is like watching an adult drowning in a kiddy pool.
@@justwannabehappy6735 true and I’d even go as far and say most people, but Samsens moral indignation is especially annoying to me for some reason.
Lol
He’s engaging with the idea that children are being bombed indiscriminately by a govt with intent, and the phenom with people who talk down that reality.
Calling it politics kind of puts your stupidity and bias to your divorced dad here.
@mackswellgg Nobody is against the idea that civilians people are dying. What they are saying that the word genocide might not be the best definition
Destiny expresses exactly my frustration with using the extremely heavily loaded term of "genocide", especially when it was immediately labeled genocide the very instant Israel decided to respond. At this point, every war is a genocide by their definition. It totally dilutes the meaning of the word in my opinion.
You mean the way the left has done with plenty of words or phrases to the point they get angry when you bring it up and act like haven't been screaming the word or phrase up until your conversation with them.
It's been diluted beyond belief. By invoking this word at every opportunity, the anti-Israeli people achieved the exact opposite of what they intended: making their accusations carry no weight. There's nothing beyong genocide guys. You can't upgrade this word to something stronger like Goku turning Super Saiyan. Enjoy popping a blood vessel trying to come up with something stronger though.
what is their definition of genocide?
If you want to play the game of semantics, then even what happened in old germany was not a genocide. By that standard, there was never a genocide in the past few hundred years ( not sure about prior )
As long as you hold the same standard, then I don't have a problem.
However, if you want to take the relative meaning of the word, then what's happening now is genocide. Same as what happened in germany. etc
@@jadhajali2804Comparing whats happening in Palestine to the Holocaust is insane. How are the 2 things even remotely similar??
So, he talks trash about debates, but then he goes and makes these videos where he puts together clips or tweets to argue his point. But he's basically having his own debate, where his just arguing with a strawman version of Destiny. He poisons the well way before he has to be held to account for any of his half-assed takes.
Destiny is like that flamboyant kid who argues with the teacher every lesson even though they’re usually wrong.
Oddly specific, I'm guessing that was you at school.
@@MK-cm6xowhat’s up Destiny
You sound like the guy who says the teacher is always right because they're the teacher.
Can we agree that what noah is doing is "look at these videos of black people comminting crimes, black people are bad arent they?" Like bro this is actually so fucking insane you shouldnt get away with saying ridiculous sh*t like look at these videos look at the people who died SOY!
Like an in depth analysis will land you at well, look at the conditions of people of color, where as noah Samson would or should ignore an in depth analysis cause crime rate or this case death count
Not a comparable example, Israel is the perpetrator and is continually bombing civilians and restricting access to Gaza. Your dickriding is pretty funny tho
why did he pretend not to know who destiny was at the start of the video and by the end of the video clearly he knew who he was
Because he's a passive aggressive weirdo. He's to much of a coward to go hard so he has to coast around it lmao
It's clearly a joke. Even if you don't find it funny, it should at least be obvious he's joking
I feel like destiny in his whole pursuit of debate is missing the main point Noah was trying to bring forth.
He only skipped over the point of the video to argue the tweets in the video
Nothing makes me happier than seeing noah simpson get shit on.
@@justwannabehappy6735i dunno, showing recieps of boah not only misreading his evidence but also using a pool whitout specifics was pretty funny.
@@justwannabehappy6735 Nobody should take that whiny incel loser called thinkbeforeyousleep.
@@justwannabehappy6735 How? he barely addresses any points and gets upset when the word genocide is used which is clearly what's happening
@@justwannabehappy6735 Genocide: The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Now tell me yours.
I didn’t think that Noah was going to engage in Holocaust revisionism at the end
When did he do that…?!
I don’t like Noah Samsen, but I did watch his video on Destiny and would like to say this:
Destiny makes a massive point that Noah hyper focuses on the consequences of the acts by Israel (death toll, famines, destruction,…) but fails to mention intentionality for it to be classified as genocide.
Noah in fact does talk about the intentionality of the Israeli government that he sees as genocidal. Destiny mostly just skips that part of the video (he shows a bit of the clip with the old veteran, but nothing else). For those interested the time stamp is 30:45 (of the Noah samsen video). The part is called “Expressions of genocidal intent against the Palestinians by the isreali state officials and others”. I hope Destiny just did see the video and didn’t just pretend to have seen it.
I am really confused. Can somebody explain how Jim Crow is not apartheid.?
@@justwannabehappy6735 pretty early bruh 😂
@@justwannabehappy6735 it was during the constellation 🌌 crap he was talking about. I believe he it was originally a tweet 🐣 but he said it came up during his dinklestein debate
@@justwannabehappy6735 all good ❤️ sadly, I don’t believe sampsonite actually had anything to say on that one ☹️ woulda been goon tho
"Destiny won"
- Destiny
Loses? Right. His criticism of Destiny dismissing evidence are legit. Destiny looks at this as just some strategy game and gives too much benefit of the doubt to the Israeli side.
Fucking evidence demanders
@mariankula3540who is blatantly supporting Hamas and October 7? the issue here is the proportionality and the mounting evidence that Israeli soldiers act in ways that are way too similar to the terrorists and not even towards the actual perpetrators, but the civillians. You can't look at this staggering death toll and still consider them a collateral damage. I mean, you can- that's what Destiny certainly does- but since one has to tiptoe around the term Genocide and use words carefully, I'd argue that the collateral damage fails to describe the current situation as well
@@Stenochtawwhen Hamas is forcing civilians to live and remain around rocket sites and weapon depots, the blood spilled is on their hands.
The responsibility for a war, and the civilian death it causes, are in the aggressors and instigators of the war, not the victims and defenders.
@@hermithefrog629 aka "look what you made me do". victimhood is not an identity that justifies any atrocity in response, it's a factuality of every actual dead and responsibility lies with whoever is doing the killing. Hamas is directly responsible for Oct.7, even if there is an indirect responsibility of Israeli state being absolutely horrible towards the occupied territories. Likewise, IDF is directly responsible for any killing even if the indirect responsibility lies with Hamas. The whole extrapolation of victimhood and the rationalizations that follow will not change those facts, but they will certainly be ignored and downplayed, because why not, right?
much respect Desinity... i admire you for ACTUALLY taking the time to dive deep into topics, do your own research rather than regurgitating hot takes, and using a foundation of facts rather than naive emotion to inform your perspectives.
deep dive? he watched the first three minutes of the video and then skipped to the end. I would have liked to see his response to Noah's rundown of Israel's engagement tactics and intent.
it's funny that that's what you think this is.
30 minutes in and he hasn’t said a single thing to combat Noah’s claims. If I hear the word constellation one more time I’m going to have a brain aneurysm.
He legitimately skipped over sooooo much that I would’ve appreciated him addressing
Him making a point about how everyone is making a huge deal about the term “genocide” is preventing conversations about what’s really happening is wild to me as well. He can’t get past the language being used to understand that shit is so horrific that most people are willing to use that language. Smh
@@klarfaerie Exactly what I was thinking. He spends so much time talking about how using the word genocide is radical yet doesn’t explain why; and instead spends 20 minutes googling specific quotes about international law
@@sweetpotato7384 he keeps bringing up intent but skipped over the examples of intent that Noah brought up too. It’s the equivalent of Hasan watching a vid and getting up and walking away, coming back and not restarting it and complaining about the shit he missed.
Maybe because it started 45 min in?
Noah Samsen is insufferable. He's uninformed, boring and is constantly proven wrong.
The irony, while the whole world wakes up to what is going and as the israel lies burn down destiny here is saying "there is no intent, therefor its not genocide" even tough there is plenty of "intent"
@@disabledmechanic5316you can’t name any intent or policy in place prescribing genocide.
@@Tumorcoach there is plenty of intent of Israel to commit genocide, ironically they are listed in the ICJ case
@@Tumorcoach Ridiculous.
@@TheAngryAtheist nope more like factual
Destiny once again won an argument against himself .He simpled proved he derives his take on his own biases through an incomprehensible diagram. He’s an conservative at heart . I think there’s only one intersection that makes him more liberal.
It's pretty comprehensible.
I love how he just skips the entire video and just blatantly makes an entire debate in his head where he wins at the end
What was in that video in the end that Destiny should have addressed?
As someone who really disliked Israel before and Zionism and thought Israelis were just crybullying by calling people antisemitic, this whole debacle did really black pill me and now I very much agree with them that people are either antisemitic or blindly following antisemitic propaganda.
Israelis very much crybully by calling people anti-semitic. Palestinians biggest gripe with Israel is occupation and ethnic displacement. If you look into Destiny's discussion and most pro-Israelis, they constantly divert the topic away from the core root of this problem. Occupation, displacement, and subjugation is the root problem. Since 20 years ago, Israel has shown they do not have any interest in lifting subjugation but just continuing it.
Israel claiming antisemitism in itself can be antisemitism. Israel is a state not the voice of all Jewish people.
@@clowncargaming8046shut up and just agree with destiny bro, nobody cares about facts and good logic here.
@@atlas5777 yt deleted my comment I forgot what I said
What an amazing title lmao
> Took half of video to begin response
> States intentionality is an important factor others overlook (which he doesn’t think exists in this case)
> Skips past the majority of the video he is responding to (which contains the argument for intentionality as presented in ICJ case)
> Resumes video to hear other person say intentionality is an important factor
> “Oh so he agrees with me”
And yet the ICJ still didn't prove the intent, weird that.
Are you kidding me ? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️At 50:00 mark you skip like 90% of the video and go all the way to the end how the f**k is destiny being taken seriously????????
Yeah cause 90% of the video was Noah talking about random shit irrelevant to the point he actually wanted to make.
@@thecoolannishatk.what are you talking about ? Have you watched the video. He lays down why it's a genocide by going through all the 5 conditions and give examples for each one using south Africa ICJ document with updated news. Destiny literally addressed only the into and outro not even a single argument was addressed. If there was nothing in the video then there is no need to make a video about it. Do you realize how you self contradict yourself ?
@@SalamZaidAlIraqi The ICJ doesn't even think it is evidential enough to constitute "genocide". Destiny went over the judges' testimonials in the video. There's a reason why he skipped most of the video, Noah was going over random ass, but tragic, shit that happens in almost all wars. His hypocritical ass would have never called what happened in neighboring Syria and Yemen genocidal. Or even Myanmar!
Did you and I watch different videos? I think we did. I'm starting to think you never watched the video at all and only came here to hate.
@@thecoolannishatk.i watched destiny"response" and watched Noah so before you make a comment don't make judgment on someone you know nothing about. Also as I said genocide dectate 5 conditions that you commit any of them and the emphasis is on the word "any" fulfilling the main obligated then it's a genocide. Infact you don't need to kill anyone to commit genocide as I stated. The things you mentioned in Syria and Myanmar are different separate issues. On themselves can be considered genocide if they are with the intention of killing based on race or religion or ethnicity. Noah was addressing Gaza not Syria or Myanmar. These are red herring fallacy and the very definition of whataboutism. Noah cited each and every one of the 5 reasons
And proceeded to give examples for each one from the current conflict along with genocidal intent quotes from authotive figures in the Israeli government
As for your claim on ICJ. Bruv their decision will take years and years to be made. They infact rejected Israel request to drop the case and accepted south Africa allegations and considered Israel might be committing genocide
If there was nothing in the video why did Destin responded in the first place ?????
For God sake are destiny fans living in a different Reality?
@@SalamZaidAlIraqi
Yes, it’s true the case will take years to resolve itself, but the ICJ actually ruled that Israel is prone to committing genocide because they now occupy over a large amount of people and they must be obligated to minimize civilian casualties and let more humanitarian aid…Identical to my position. The only evidence they seem to have are politicians speaking… which is evidence, but it never was a Trump card in the case. The Court never said there was anything like that going on at all, and given how hard they fought against the case, it’s likely they will comply with the ruling.
You are contradicting yourself when you say you can do genocide without killing people at all ,because you did say that earlier in your paragraph , it involves killing people based on racial and ethnic factors. So it’s laughable to say genocide doesn’t involve killing because most throughout history have, and the term was even coined because there was a mass killing of wait for it…Jewish people.
The listed actions, conditons you mentioned are the actions relating to GENOCIDE, only as they occur in relation to GENOCIDE. That's why it's talking about Israel's obligations under the GENOCIDE CONVENTION.
Cmon man!
52:09 ..destiny’s response to being called out is “pfff…really” wow great argument destiny. You really convinced me there
August gave up on timestamps
Neil Breen has the best response:
"It's A Crutch!..... Get Help, Straighten out your Life" lmaooo
The irony that Destiny started this by explaining how people will go through different paths of research and so when coming to an opposing conclusion are prone to incorrectly extrapolating to a moral judgement of an opposing figure such as calling them pro-genocide or Islamophobic.
He then 5 minutes later suggests that Finkelstein and his partner that were on the opposing side in this recent debate are highly likely to be Anti-Semitic.
Hilarious.
Noah Samsen video starts at 36:14
You're the real MVP in the comment section
Hey. I want a dense university style lecture . If interesting drama and conflict drift by it's because I earned it 😋
thank you
50:31 Impressive how Destiny watches 30min of content in just 45 seconds! That's the kind of razor sharp skills I expect from a professional internet debater. How does he do it?!
What level of mental dissonance do you have to have just skip through the entire middle part of video going through evidence for genocidal intent, and say "Not genocidal"
Gotta keep the viewers ignorant
As the King of Stream debaters, Destiny, Fought the Fraud, Noah Samsen. He began to open his domain, Noah shrunk back in fear, then Destiny said:
"Stand proud Noah Samsen... You're strong. But Nah, I'd win."
Ah, my anti lolcow technique I haven't used since the lefty arc
The biggest war crime is Noah Samsen making mullets and mustaches soy.
That bomb shelter point is such a simple checkmate on this whole affair that I can't believe I haven't thought of it myself.
0:24 Destiny, you're projecting so hard. It's YOUR DECISION to hyper-fixate on language and semantics, precisely because you want to cover up for the reprehensible actions the Israeli state is committing. Since you can't defend those, you fixate on a debate about whether this constitutes a genocide/apartheid.
3-4 years ago, when you were playing Valheim and talking to Lance, you said that semantics and pedantry was the lowest form of discourse. But you cling to it nonetheless... when you need to defend the morally/intellectually bankrupt position, when you need to distract from objectively bad events, to side with bad actors.
As soon as destiny said black women and fire alarms i was about to flip out then i heard mine chirp and i sat my ass back down. Man didnt have to be so direct with it.
Okay but fr, how does that not drive you insane?
the mullet stache combo is becoming the new blue hair of 2016
@@justwannabehappy6735True 💯
The constelation theory He explained is pretty interesting but I always find it so funny when people think they are in the constelation but suddenly realize that just because they agree on one Thing doesnt mean they are in the same constelation.
Like it is happening more and more when leftists protest for palestine but notice that those who they are protesting for and not pro LGBT so they have to have to start to think for themselves and decide what value is more important for them
Not actually original.
I don't remember the name, but there's already a theory considering cluster of beliefs/values.
@@lloydgush Peterson has talked about it in his maps N meanings I think
Yeah I've seen a woman OUTRAGED on being in a pro hamas rally and seeing the crowd's angry reaction to a queer palestinian giving a speech like how dare they be homophobic
"Everybody has biases except me"- Destiny, probably.
Given the track record of male feminists, it's only a matter of time before Noah gets some grape accusations
And with the pedostache he sports it would be a vaush situation
@@Armlace has the mullet too 😂
Lmao based
I mean his eyes and that mullet say it all man
@@electron6825men can rape other men… but yeah this talk is dumb…
Yeahstiny isn't self-aware the talking points he repeats.
Netanyahu absolutely funded Hamas and probably still does. Smotrich literally called Hamas "an asset".
The emotivism segment was actually really insightful, I think it explains a lot of society's usage of language (especially social media). Words like "murder", "rape", "pedophile", "genocide".
These words have been forced into every possible situation to describe everything that they don't mean anything anymore.
As a Jewish person with friends and relatives in Israel, the antisemitism thing has been requiring me to give benefits of the doubt a lot. I’m afraid people will just assume it’s the Jew who cried antisemitism.
Being against Zionism is not antisemitic, but Zionism is a part of my own Jewish identity. The base belief is that the Jewish people should have their own independent state. I never asked for it to be in Israel (tho the Old Testament would suggest it be there). I am deeply disturbed when people use Zionist as an insult or derogatory term. :( it feels dog whistle-y
Noah cooked and the Destiny stans are out in full force glazing up a guy who would never speak to them.
Can't believe these guys think they're on the left. This comment section is little different from war hawk Pro-Israel reactionaries.
Bro yaps for an hour and still can't keep him from skiping through the video in 1.5 speed 🤣🤣🤣
you can just replace Noah Samsen with a woke AI generated speach and you'll get the same thing
I’d go as far as saying the woke AI is much smarter.
i love how destiny literally skips the part of the video where Samsen lays out the evidence for genocide and the intentionally of it. Good weasel move to fool his audience.
Noah did no such thing, but thanks for demonstrating you also don’t know what genocide is.
War crimes, yes there is a very strong argument and isreal should be held accountable for those actions. It's not a genocide though, you aren't contributing to a solution by foaming at the mouth at the opportunity to call it a genocide
@@yourgrammarisnotverygood1827 yea he literally did. Destiny constantly talks about intent. Samsen demonstrated the intent in his video by showing the countless statements from Israeli officials demonstrating said genocidal intent. There is a reason Destiny skipped that part.
@@obliv8534 there is no problem with calling a spade a spade. The genocidal intent has been made obvious by countless statements from israeli officials. And actions by the IDF filming themselves committing genocidal acts.
@@TheDomaZogyou can go through the icj case and read the sources from their “intent” to quickly disprove this.
Also “being seen committing genocidal acts” that’s not how genocide works. It’s intent based. You could say violent crimes but you couldn’t classify an act as genocide just from seeing it play out in a vacuum.
Can they really be "hUmAn sHiElDs" when they also die outside of buildings?? Are they then being held/forced/told by Hamas to stay??
If someone is told to leave under immediate and definite threat to life, but they decide to stay, what do you think would make them stay? I would argue it is another more immediate and definite threat to life stopping them.
@@gregoryreynolds3612 many of them don't want to leave their homes. But like I said, they're not always inside when they die. On top of that, sometimes they're already fleeing when they die. On top of all of that, they also literally get bombed in the supposed-"safe zones" where they were told to flee to (well over 200 times)
Hamas' hq was under a hospital and they're known for randomly firing out of buildings at israel. Even if they're not directly using human shield in a, "stand in front of me to take bullets" way, they're absolutely using civilians in the area as a deterrent for israel to stop their operations, thereby, putting their own citizens in harm's way purposefully.
I love Destiny hates Finkelstein so much that he keeps changing his name into an insult... XD
Also, Noah Samson is just a lapdog of Hamas Piker... just another drone send to "assassinate" the opposition... (and likely is a dud)
1:01:10 That's you Destiny. Your focusing on the words. Your ignoring what's happening on the ground.
So you skipped through half of the video and claimed that you “beat him” lol?
This is a typical Liberal tactic, deployed both by the "centrist" types as well as right-wingers.
When you know that your arguments are dog-trash, when you can no longer sustain your position, you reach the final stage: be ultra-uncharitable, discredit your enemy, act incredulous ("how can you possibly disagree with me!?"), close the video/discussion, move on, and then pretend like you're still right.
This only works if the audience is composed of mohrons, or if they already agree with you. Because Destiny audience has both, this tactic works.
Wasn't this the guy that made that hit piece on debata bros and walked it back after talking to vaush?
Seems history is repeating itself.
I'd like to direct your attention to Shaun's latest video about Gaza that will hopefully show how wrong in every sense Destiny is. No matter how fast he is talking.
So how is Shaun's latest video gonna discern everything D man said here
I miss the comfy streams back during the Lav saga, when it would just be 10 nutcases arguing in a call together, while I farmed the cow level in Diablo 2 remastered.
Pretending to like Diablo 2 is in the dsm5
@@AcrossTheSea12 diablo 2 is the greatest slot machine of all time
@@SJNaka101 15-20 years ago you'd be absolutely correct. The only reason to play it now is purely nostalgia
@AcrossTheSea12 I guess I don't completely disagree, but I still think that's a pretty wild take. The game has some jank aspects to it and a somewhat steep learning curve, but once you gain some competence and gear and can farm hell it's legit fun to play for a long time. It's easy enough that you can mostly turn off your brain, but there are still occasional threats that make you go ohshitohshitohshit every now and then, and the loot system is really good even by modern standards. It's a solid game. Nostalgia doesn't pull me back into halo, or guitar hero, or half life 1, or starcraft, or any other games from that era (I played literally all those games WAY more than d2 back in the 00s), but I still come back to d2 every couple years because it's fun to rebuild op characters from the ground up and get excited for drops that I can trade for useful stuff along the way and all that. If it were just nostalgia, I'd come back to all those other games too!
Arabs kill 500k in Syria - no genocide
Arabs kill 350k in Yemen - no genocide
Arabs kill 400k in Sudan - no genocide
Israelis kill potentially 18000 Arab civilians - genocide
Noah is antisemitic
it's not the number, but the intent. there's a clear definition of what the word means.
@@snowballeffect7812So an army that has done more than any other in the history of urban warfare to avoid civilian casualties has the intent to g-word?
@@advance512 Plausibly, yes.
Oh I think at least two of these were genocide and I remember actual progressives calling it as so and we paid for and armed the first two on the scary Arab side calling them all stand is pretty racist there all from there middle east so label them all stand when in Africa?
@@snowballeffect7812that’s not what plausibility means in legal ICJ context.
I got so many angry replies on my comment on that Noah video. All I wrote was "Be careful while watching this because you might end up setting yourself on fire"
Based
Almost like…when people criticize Derpstiny over here…
Yall just dog pile on?
Is it like that 😂❤
@@Macheako yeah destiny's viewer's can be cringe to
@@STOPTHECLOWNS581 ey bro, appreciate the honesty ❤️❤️
I wrote a comment in his community section that talks about TBYS, and all I said was: "Dude he said would be pointless to respond and he's right". Literally, one comment responds "Pointless is a useless statement try to come up with a better one". Like I'm backing it up I'm just saying its pointless since you're just gonna repeat the same thing.
I love this constellation theory bit.
So there’s concepts that we’re calling constellation. But these concepts are built up from talking points. Those talking points gain their authority from a social convention where things are just cohering together.
They seem to go together so they often get used in ways that are more based on the authority of conformity as opposed to your own mindset applied to it in the form of internal agreement.
So you inherent implied positions that are tied to values.
You become part of a constellation like an implicit membership almost.
So when someone expresses a proposition to support their opinion, they are ultimately emoting.
Just airing out my notes out loud on the comments. Feel free to correct my wording.
Found this “constellation theory” interesting.
Agree with the treadmill, disagree with the "we should militarily intervene". There is currently a definite genocie happening in Sudan and we are not involved
6 minutes into this video and Destiny is still explaining his "constellation" (aka a projection of his own lack of ideological consistency) instead of anything remotely interesting. the life of a destiny fan must be so utterly boring. i hate noah samsen but at least his video was entertaining and got to the point
If you are looking entertainment, you probably should not listen to Destiny
People should align their beliefs to match objective reality. Ideological "consistency" is just another word for ideological dogmatism.
@@ffff7164 could not formulate it better!!!
@@ffff7164 it's not though, you literally just switched the term to dogmatism, which is more an expression of your lack of moral and ideological consistency and inability to confront that than anything LOL. Destiny fans are so silly
@@QwertyMcQwertz I do not see moral or ideological consistency on either side of the debate. Destiny gets credit for Changing his mind as he encounters new information.
Destiny: There has to be intent [by those in power] for it to be a genocide!
Noah: *shows evidence of intent in the middle section of his video*
Destiny: I'm gonna pretend i didn't see that
Noah’s new video is shocking and shows how wrong you have been about this
Look, Noah’s hearts in the right place. He’s just gotta get his brains there as well.
Bro u and ur fans are morally bankrupt and unhinged like u play word salad with it 😂😂
There used to be a time where Destiny actually somewhat-cared about facts/logic, somewhat-cared about technicalities, somewhat-cared about morals, etc.
Now that mask is completely gone. Whatever "technicalities" he clings on to justify his positions, are usually grounded on bad logic. Why? Because even if you're just trying to be "technically correct", what Israel is doing ABSOLUTELY falls under (one or more) definition(s) of genocide, as established by the UN.
If you still follow Destiny to this day, after he's spread TONS of shtty opinions, then you're just looking for confirmation bias. DGG is unironically a cult.
Could you give me that definition of genocide real quick?
25:50 There are children dying of starvation in Gaza strip right now...lmfao. What is he talking about?
There's no evidence anyone has been starved by israel. 250 million children worldwide are starving.
@@John-bravooohow are you going to just deny the facts? People are starving, children have died from eating animal feed. You are a monster for just ignoring what’s happening
@mood1676 what evidence? Palestinians hoard aid. How do you go from obesity to starvation in 4 months? And why arent you holding hamas responsible?
@@John-bravoooHamas stole food and aid, not the civilians and yes, civilians are starving, Period.
This is what happens when you have blind faith and completely trust your favorite youtuber
Idk if it’s just me but I went through a phase where I watched Noah when I was making my switch from right to left before I found destiny but after watching a few videos and being subscribed to him for a little bit it just eventually pushed me back towards the right which luckily led to me finding Destiny, even tho destiny is a little bit to the left of me the way he researches and the way he is always willing to debate is what kept me from falling back into the redpill space after I got sick of guys like Noah Sampson and Hasan
Why is it that you guys brains so easily malleable to join a certain political ideology by RUclipsrs and Streamers. can't you guys think by yourself tf? This whole thing is so cringe jesus
@@jonathand3842it's frankly pretty normal. Becoz common mortals including you and me we do not go about the day critically evaluating all our opinions, beliefs and philosophies and openly chasing after loopholes or fundamental errors in any of those said systems. For a lack of a better statement: we are not paid to be so critical of our biased perspective everyone has normal jobs that take precedence over such things.
Just like how people follow religion that basically gives an over-arching guideline. News sources and other form of media are a good tool to inherit useful or informed opinions.
Although I agree one look at hasan , red pillers or other 95% alt media should be enough for people to evaluate that those people are not rational or even intellectually honest. At best they are stupid or at worst they are grifters or literal propogandists.
@@jonathand3842 the streamers don’t dictate my political ideology, I grew up in a conservative house my dad was a cop who watched Fox News everyday I played football all they way into college, but we lived in Silicon Valley so the only ideologies I was exposed to as a kid were far right or far left. I never really made an informed decision outside of what I was taught in high school and what I saw on Fox News when my dad watched until I was in college because it wasn’t something that was important to me. When I got into college I got more into it but I was at a liberal arts school where it was still majority far left but most of my friends were on the right because they were football players. So yes I was consuming red pill content because I was right wing, but when I came back to California I realized how harmful the content I was consuming was so I tried to start consuming left wing content but the biggest political commentators that are left wing are pretty much all like Hasan/Vaush types. This whole time I was looking for someone who more closely resembled the ideology I had which is what destiny is. The problem I had was that I thought the closest thing was redpill because I didn’t know there were real moderate left wingers, and I know there aren’t really any moderate right wingers.
If you didn’t know, it’s not uncommon for your political view to change especially when you’re young. It’s literally what happens…. As you learn more things change, if you have all the same beliefs when you’re 17 that you have when you’re 21 it really means you haven’t really grown at all.
@@jonathand3842young, impressionable, lack of good role models, low personal life experience, willingness to change. There are numerous possible compounding reasons for this which are all pretty good to be honest and on a channel Destiny’s size you are probably going to run into a few hundred of them + trolls/others saying similar things.
@@clay_utterall right wing you saw were... tate types?
I'm looking for a Mr. Borelli? Someone asked me to check if he is doing ok...
I only found one by the name of Mr. Genocidelli.
Is this who you're looking for?
Can someone explain to me how in the world Jim Crow is not apartheid? Wtf did he mean by this
Apartheid is defined under article 7 of the Rome Statute, my guess would be there are some legal differences. Homicide means killing someone, but there are differences between negligent homicide, manslaughter and first degree murder.
They are similar but I think it’s like calling every genocide a Holocaust when the latter refers to a specific event. Jim Crow was the case of a racial majority oppressing a racial minority, whereas South Africa was the other way around.
@@olo_smooth_olo5606 Isn't it funny how, when people try to challenge his knowledge, they always fall flat?
And in terms of urban warfare, this is normal for Mil to Civ death ratios
@@olo_smooth_olo5606it doesn’t look like hiding in tunnels
"If there was a genocide going on right now, we should probably militarily intervene."
Yes, destiny, very good. And I think the first way to militarily intervene is to stop providing military support to Israel and provide military protection to supply and aid lines.
Wait a minute, how were the Jim Crow laws not an example of apartheid?
It's because some legal differences, I guess. I understand Destiny point on not messing up with these terms and meanings, otherwise these words can be weaponized or misused later.
@@dion5804 What legal differences?
@@dion5804hhhhhWHAT?! Weaponized or misused how?! How do you misuse apartheid?! Do you realize that the moral implications far outweigh the technical hair-splitting? If someone or something is being accused and compared to apartheid, technical hair-splitting be damned, the someone or something is doing something horrible and needs to be stopped! Are you literally going to stand on the corpses of a thousand children and mull over the implications of language?!
This is the genocide denial crowd. i found you. I didn't think you even existed, but here you are.
@@dion5804Here's the thing. jim crow america is accused of apartheid. Do you support Jim Crow America? If it isn't technically apartheid, do you support Jim Crow laws? If you don't support Jim Crow laws, why don't you support Jim Crow laws? If it's because they are horrific, subhuman, evil, then don't you think that is the issue? You're afraid that the word "apartheid" is going to be weaponized against Jim Crow America and similar states?! So you're standing in defense of Jim Crow America and similar states. If you're the guy in the crowd going "hrrrmmmm well technically" while we are outraged for the treatment of human being, your concern is ignored, invalid, and utterly idiotic.
The translation in the interview is a lie lol. He says 'kita,' which can mean a classroom or a group of students, but also (and clearly means in this instance) a military squad. So sick of dealing with mountains of propaganda.
Military squad is
“Kitat yorim” -word translated as is
“shooter class”
“Kita” is “class room” of “students of class room”
@@lordlorian81No, saying 'Kita' can just as much refer to a 'Kitat Yorim' rather than a 'Kitat Talmidim/Betsefer'. Given this context it is exceedingly obvious he's talking about the former. If describing school kids in a warzone he would mention yeladim, betsefer, talmidim, whatever. but he doesnt because that's not what hes talking about and its fucking obvious as fuck to anyone who speaks the language, as well as anyone who applies the tiniest amount of common sense.
@@doesntmatter4136 you are an expert and a scholar and we should all agree with you ❤
@@Macheakoi speak hebrew and he's absolutely right
@@yaeli_i_guess hoot spa 🦉
The most difficult thing to do these days, whether about Israel/Palestine, or any other topic, is to know what sources to trust. I feel like we are so bombarded with propaganda from all sides on every issue, that I just don't know what to believe. I've caught lies from the right, lies from the left, lies from supposedly independent media. It's made me skeptical about literally everything I hear and see. It is extremely frustrating.
trans kids lives matter Gazan kids lives don't. lol the warped reality the fans of this guy live in.
somehow destiny is less ok with kids wrongly transitioning than being shot or blown up but whatever ITS JUST LE WAR i guess
"We don't have reported cases of people dying from a lack of food, so that's not a real famine" is Sneako lvl of analysis "Tate doesn't kidnap women of the streets, and the women aren't trafficked by border mules as if they were contraband, so Tate isn't a sex trafficker".
I do love, like, 95% of everything else said in the video. Love you, buddy!
I dunno, just a bunch of rhetoric to me. I gotta side with Noah on this one.
"Ignore acts of tertorism and kidnapping."
That's your corner, buddy. Enjoy it.