Great video Culgan! I also wanted to share that “Tir” more commonly known as “Tyr, the sky god” is also the name of the 17th rune of the Germanic Futhark runic alphabet in real life and represents the letter “T”. It’s essentially the “Rune of the Warrior” and McDohl expresses that theme to a “T”. Thank You for sharing your extensive knowledge of the Suikoverse as its main five games are amongst my favorite of all time! I look forward to what you’ve got in store next and now I’m going to subscribe 🤩
The amount of depth in these games... it took decades to uncover this, but the Suikosource community found that the RNG in the first game isn't R at all. It uses actions taken in combat to determine drops, so it's possible to learn specific orders of things to do in a fight to force the drops you want! What a crazy amount of dedication it must have taken to even notice that.
Same! I remember my first couple of playthroughs when I was a little kid, I didn't get all 108 SoD. I didn't like Gremio much at first, but when he died I really started to miss him and wanted him back. Then I think on my 3rd or 4th playthrough I managed to get all SoD. I had no idea he could be resurrected. I was so excited that I put Gremio straight into my party for the final boss.
Who was the hardest for you to find or recruit? I found Crowley to be tricky, but Esmerelda and Clive were just complete pains for me. That bein' said I was lucky enough to get Pesmerga first time through just because I loved listening to Passacaria so much
I'm now playing suikoden 2 since before the past my uncle was playing it and now I love to be playing it I think my uncle past it to me and I'm thankful
Really good information :D, I never understood the decision of not using a fixed name on the suikoden series, I believe that having a fixed name for the characters helps to that bond you create with them playing the game
I agree, It really helps create a bond between you and the character. Murayama always liked the silent protagonist style so that you could project yourself into the character and interpret the character and story in your own way though. I guess that's why he decided to not go with a fixed name. But it seems clear that the majority of fans prefer fixed names on the protags in the series.
But on the other hand, a nameless hero tailors the experience more closely to you, yourself, allowing yourself to feel as if you're merely stepping into a blank slate role and insert your own feelings. So I find both methods equally valid.
You mentioning the dating sim made me realise that when the remasters come out some absolute nutbag is probably gonna do a "smash or pass" on every single character.
Did you in suikoden 2 there is a phenomenon(bug) where when you recruit a character playable in a party, he/she is already at lv99 😅😅 I always get a lv99 george, hoi and mazus 😅😅 i dont know how it happens though
I did! It can also happen to Pesmerga and L.C.Chan. It's a fun bug the first few times it happens, but it also removes the purpose and satisfaction of using them and levelling them up.
Suikoden Tierkreis: Hoshikuzu no Shiro (Stardust Castle) is a different game from the NDS game. It was a visual novel prequel to Tierkreis that released only for mobile phone in Japan. It followed the story of The Nameless Hero(the father of the main character from Tierkreis on the NDS)
@@CulganValya Thanks for the reply, Culgan, but I disagree. You just got used to Tir I guess. I am not tryin' to proof anything. Just sayin' that Till is an actual first name, and Tir by any chance maybe a Persian family name. As well as the german influence can be found in so many other names in the game ("Großer Fluss", Zexen = Sachsen, even Teo McDohls forename itself). And that the pronunciation of "L" and "R" are kind of a train wreck in Japanese as well is common knowledge, right? Happy to have found you amazing channel - not sure how I could've d not know about it before.
@@pytzhan It's all good to disagree. For me, I just prefer the pronunciation of Tir. Tir McDohl sounds better to me than Til McDohl. He was also given the name of Louie in a 2009 manga called The Succeed Crest, but that name never caught on with people either. The name Tir could also come from Welsh, where it means earth, or Irish, where it means land. Both Celtic languages and nations. The name McDohl could also be directly translated from Japanese as McDoll, which is a surname of Celtic (Scottish) origin. We could also translate Tyiru as Tyr, from Norse mythology. As you said, R and L can be tricky to translate rom Japanese. There's a number of ways that it can be translated, and we don't know which or how it was intended, so all we can do is interpret. If you prefer Til, use Til. If someone prefers Tir, they can use Tir. If someone prefer Louie, they can use Louie. Nobody is correct, nobody is wrong. None of them are canon anyway, the names came from supplemental material, and the protagonists have no official names. They borrowed from all sorts of countries, histories and mythologies when putting things together in the game, so many things can be interpreted in multiple ways.
@@CulganValya Sure, you are absolutely right. I didn't wanna start an argument about this. I was just saying what is most plausible to me. Also considering that ティル is the transcription for basically everyone called Till. I just thought it is funny because Till isn't really a common name in the US. So I was guessing that is how Tir became a thing. And you are right. It's not canon anyway. Keep the good content coming, Culgan! Best wishes from Germany
I have to say that when it comes to the name for the protagonist of the fifth game, in my opinion none of the "canon" names truly fit him. Not like Tir or Riou (yes, there's an u in his name). I just can't decide which I prefer of Faroush or Freyjadour. Most of the time, I prefer the first one, since it makes me think of their parents. The second one is just so...fluffy.
I always use Freyjadour. I quite like the name Faroush, but I didn't find out about that name until I had already done two playthroughs, and by that point Freyjadour had stuck with me and grew on me a lot. I think the Faroush name is meant to be more of a blending of his parents names, but Freyjadour just sounds better to me.
In Japanese he was called Tyiru, so I just go by the Japanese pronounciation without the 'u' at the end. I could be wrong and it may just be Tir as you pronounce it.
@@CulganValya Maybe if they update the text and translation for it to be even remotely readable or decently coherent. I quit early on because the English grammar and writing on it is beyond horrible.
@@the-NightStar I tried it, and it's just horrendous. At first glance I thought it was an interesting concept, but wow, it's really bad. Unplayable levels of bad.
...but, Suikoden Stardust Castle its not the last entry in the series? Like I openly admit, I never heard of it^^ But the last entry is Tsumugareshi Hyakunen no Toki, which came out in 2012 for the PSP. ..its also incredible bad for a Suikoden game, and okay for an rpg. But well, just thought I let you know. The game also btw has a wonderful fan translation. (its just to bad that the game itself.. well, I already said, I think it sucks.)
I think you may have misheard my pronunciation of "Lost" as "Last". "The lost entry in the series". Lost, because it was forgotten about and most people never knew it existed. I've played Tsumugareshi Hyakunen no Toki, and it's not a good game. I thought it sucked. By far the worst Suikoden game.
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Great video Culgan! I also wanted to share that “Tir” more commonly known as “Tyr, the sky god” is also the name of the 17th rune of the Germanic Futhark runic alphabet in real life and represents the letter “T”. It’s essentially the “Rune of the Warrior” and McDohl expresses that theme to a “T”. Thank You for sharing your extensive knowledge of the Suikoverse as its main five games are amongst my favorite of all time! I look forward to what you’ve got in store next and now I’m going to subscribe 🤩
That was an interesting read, thank you for sharing that!
You’re very welcome Culgan! I’m glad you enjoyed 😀
All i know is that it's one of Psycho mantis's all time favourites.
😂😂😂
The amount of depth in these games... it took decades to uncover this, but the Suikosource community found that the RNG in the first game isn't R at all. It uses actions taken in combat to determine drops, so it's possible to learn specific orders of things to do in a fight to force the drops you want! What a crazy amount of dedication it must have taken to even notice that.
I remember spending a LOT of hours trying to bring Gremio back, take awhile to get all of the stars of destiny
Same! I remember my first couple of playthroughs when I was a little kid, I didn't get all 108 SoD. I didn't like Gremio much at first, but when he died I really started to miss him and wanted him back. Then I think on my 3rd or 4th playthrough I managed to get all SoD. I had no idea he could be resurrected. I was so excited that I put Gremio straight into my party for the final boss.
Who was the hardest for you to find or recruit? I found Crowley to be tricky, but Esmerelda and Clive were just complete pains for me. That bein' said I was lucky enough to get Pesmerga first time through just because I loved listening to Passacaria so much
I'm now playing suikoden 2 since before the past my uncle was playing it and now I love to be playing it I think my uncle past it to me and I'm thankful
Suikoden 2 is a truly magical game that leaves you with a lasting memory. One of the greatest jrpg's of all time.
Very nice to know.
I Hope the HD remastered comes quickly.
I waiting so much years for that.
I hope so too. We're all itching to get our hands on it
Amazing video! Keep the good work!
Thank you for the kind words! I'm still very new at this and that was only my second video.
Really good information :D, I never understood the decision of not using a fixed name on the suikoden series, I believe that having a fixed name for the characters helps to that bond you create with them playing the game
I agree, It really helps create a bond between you and the character. Murayama always liked the silent protagonist style so that you could project yourself into the character and interpret the character and story in your own way though. I guess that's why he decided to not go with a fixed name. But it seems clear that the majority of fans prefer fixed names on the protags in the series.
But on the other hand, a nameless hero tailors the experience more closely to you, yourself, allowing yourself to feel as if you're merely stepping into a blank slate role and insert your own feelings. So I find both methods equally valid.
You mentioning the dating sim made me realise that when the remasters come out some absolute nutbag is probably gonna do a "smash or pass" on every single character.
You know, I'm actually surprised nobody has done that yet.
Did you in suikoden 2 there is a phenomenon(bug) where when you recruit a character playable in a party, he/she is already at lv99 😅😅
I always get a lv99 george, hoi and mazus 😅😅 i dont know how it happens though
I did! It can also happen to Pesmerga and L.C.Chan. It's a fun bug the first few times it happens, but it also removes the purpose and satisfaction of using them and levelling them up.
Its not safe to say that none of us have played the pachi slot machine, John with an Hat is definitely watching.
@@SemtexJack I totally forgot John bought one. TheirStar has one as well.
Cool video, and I just subscribed when you had 107 subscribers. So I just made us the 108 Subscribers of destiny. How bad ass is that? 😎
Awesome! The final Star of Destiny! I really appreciate it!
Tierkreis was released for the NDS or is that a different Tierkreis? 🤔
Suikoden Tierkreis: Hoshikuzu no Shiro (Stardust Castle) is a different game from the NDS game. It was a visual novel prequel to Tierkreis that released only for mobile phone in Japan. It followed the story of The Nameless Hero(the father of the main character from Tierkreis on the NDS)
Tir is also in the new astrobot game!
I saw that! It looked really cool, and his Soul Eater animation looked awesome. Definitely has me considering picking up Astro Bot if it comes to PC.
Kinda weird that western fans made Laszlo out of Raszro, but never figured that Tir is actually supposed to be the German name Til (or Till)
I think people were just happy to take the Japanese pronunciation of Tyiru, and drop the u at the end. Tir sounds a lot better than Til.
@@CulganValya Thanks for the reply, Culgan, but I disagree. You just got used to Tir I guess. I am not tryin' to proof anything. Just sayin' that Till is an actual first name, and Tir by any chance maybe a Persian family name. As well as the german influence can be found in so many other names in the game ("Großer Fluss", Zexen = Sachsen, even Teo McDohls forename itself). And that the pronunciation of "L" and "R" are kind of a train wreck in Japanese as well is common knowledge, right? Happy to have found you amazing channel - not sure how I could've d not know about it before.
@@pytzhan It's all good to disagree. For me, I just prefer the pronunciation of Tir. Tir McDohl sounds better to me than Til McDohl. He was also given the name of Louie in a 2009 manga called The Succeed Crest, but that name never caught on with people either.
The name Tir could also come from Welsh, where it means earth, or Irish, where it means land. Both Celtic languages and nations. The name McDohl could also be directly translated from Japanese as McDoll, which is a surname of Celtic (Scottish) origin.
We could also translate Tyiru as Tyr, from Norse mythology.
As you said, R and L can be tricky to translate rom Japanese.
There's a number of ways that it can be translated, and we don't know which or how it was intended, so all we can do is interpret.
If you prefer Til, use Til. If someone prefers Tir, they can use Tir. If someone prefer Louie, they can use Louie. Nobody is correct, nobody is wrong.
None of them are canon anyway, the names came from supplemental material, and the protagonists have no official names.
They borrowed from all sorts of countries, histories and mythologies when putting things together in the game, so many things can be interpreted in multiple ways.
@@CulganValya Sure, you are absolutely right. I didn't wanna start an argument about this. I was just saying what is most plausible to me. Also considering that ティル is the transcription for basically everyone called Till. I just thought it is funny because Till isn't really a common name in the US. So I was guessing that is how Tir became a thing. And you are right. It's not canon anyway. Keep the good content coming, Culgan! Best wishes from Germany
Things you didn't know in Suikoden : The release date
jokes on you, this comment aged terribly.
I have to say that when it comes to the name for the protagonist of the fifth game, in my opinion none of the "canon" names truly fit him. Not like Tir or Riou (yes, there's an u in his name). I just can't decide which I prefer of Faroush or Freyjadour. Most of the time, I prefer the first one, since it makes me think of their parents. The second one is just so...fluffy.
I always use Freyjadour. I quite like the name Faroush, but I didn't find out about that name until I had already done two playthroughs, and by that point Freyjadour had stuck with me and grew on me a lot. I think the Faroush name is meant to be more of a blending of his parents names, but Freyjadour just sounds better to me.
hmmm sounds like i've been saying Tir wrong, sounds like you say Tier where as i say Ter...kinda like Turd without the d sound lol
In Japanese he was called Tyiru, so I just go by the Japanese pronounciation without the 'u' at the end. I could be wrong and it may just be Tir as you pronounce it.
@@CulganValya honestly i think the way you say it right hahah XD
@@MaximzM It's pronounced like Tyre
I recommend you to try " Suikoden The Last Hope " for Playstation 1 it's including a different scenario for Odessa. 🎮
That looks very interesting. Thanks for letting me know. I'll definitely give it a try!
@@CulganValya Maybe if they update the text and translation for it to be even remotely readable or decently coherent. I quit early on because the English grammar and writing on it is beyond horrible.
@@the-NightStar I tried it, and it's just horrendous. At first glance I thought it was an interesting concept, but wow, it's really bad. Unplayable levels of bad.
...but, Suikoden Stardust Castle its not the last entry in the series? Like I openly admit, I never heard of it^^
But the last entry is Tsumugareshi Hyakunen no Toki, which came out in 2012 for the PSP. ..its also incredible bad for a Suikoden game, and okay for an rpg. But well, just thought I let you know.
The game also btw has a wonderful fan translation. (its just to bad that the game itself.. well, I already said, I think it sucks.)
I think you may have misheard my pronunciation of "Lost" as "Last". "The lost entry in the series". Lost, because it was forgotten about and most people never knew it existed.
I've played Tsumugareshi Hyakunen no Toki, and it's not a good game. I thought it sucked. By far the worst Suikoden game.