Referendum '75 - Edward Heath and Peter Shore Clash in Live Debate on Britain in Europe (1975)

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  • Опубликовано: 28 дек 2024

Комментарии • 88

  • @mrb3097
    @mrb3097 5 месяцев назад +22

    Wonderful to see such rare footage of ITN bulletins from the early to mid 1970s in full that aren't News at Ten. Thank you.

  • @Ardent_regret
    @Ardent_regret 5 месяцев назад +22

    Magnificent video, and a damning indictment of Britains long running discursive decline.

    • @judithcressey1682
      @judithcressey1682 5 месяцев назад +4

      Absolutely. In fact our decline on so many levels clearly illustrated here.

  • @MagicNash89
    @MagicNash89 4 месяца назад +4

    Amazing video, thank you ITN archive, hard to think this was 50 years now! Doesn't feel like it was that long ago

  • @2001JamesTV
    @2001JamesTV 5 месяцев назад +11

    Wow, a full edition as well! I hope we get more full editions of programmes.

    • @EssexNonLeague
      @EssexNonLeague 5 месяцев назад

      Very few news programs were recorded in those days, and well in to the 80s. Most went out as live. Given this program was of historical significance, this would have been a rare example of an exception to the rule.

    • @2001JamesTV
      @2001JamesTV 5 месяцев назад

      @@EssexNonLeague Would still be good to see full coverage of the 80s and 90s programmes. And the election coverage- those clips they put up at the start of the month makes me want to see more!

    • @imemine6494
      @imemine6494 4 месяца назад

      .. I don't understand your answer?.. there are lots of archive with the whole programme ​@@EssexNonLeague

  • @mickeydodds1
    @mickeydodds1 5 месяцев назад +16

    Perhaps the most remarkable item raised here is that a British factory - the Chrysler engine plant in Coventry - actually employed 4,000 workers.

    • @judithcressey1682
      @judithcressey1682 5 месяцев назад +2

      Not just one.

    • @swimmad456
      @swimmad456 4 месяца назад +3

      And they were English

    • @Videomaster89
      @Videomaster89 5 дней назад

      And Chrysler is an American brand isn't it? In the modern day the UK makes cars for Honda, Nissan, engines for Ford and Vauxhall cars, alongside hand made Morgan's and MINI's with a factory in Oxford too.

    • @Videomaster89
      @Videomaster89 5 дней назад

      @@swimmad456 And Chrysler is an American brand isn't it? In the modern day the UK makes cars for Honda, Nissan, engines for Ford and Vauxhall cars, alongside hand made Morgan's and MINI's with a factory in Oxford too.

  • @yampk1
    @yampk1 4 месяца назад +7

    "Unable to get a free trade agreement..." Indeed and true nearly 50 years on....

    • @everythingflows3639
      @everythingflows3639 4 месяца назад +1

      We have a trade agreement with the EU.

    • @citizen1163
      @citizen1163 4 месяца назад

      @@everythingflows3639We left the EU govt, or rather we voted to Leave!

    • @robbillington1982
      @robbillington1982 2 месяца назад

      What a stupid statement

  • @MrDastardly
    @MrDastardly 5 месяцев назад +5

    I just love these debates. A time when politicians could converse.

  • @theTRStvchannel
    @theTRStvchannel 5 месяцев назад +12

    Paul Flynn, who asked a question from Cardiff (at 14.35), later went on to become a Labour MP.

    • @duncanpriestley964
      @duncanpriestley964 4 месяца назад +1

      Maybe suggesting he was planted in the audience by the party?

    • @zackerycooper7602
      @zackerycooper7602 19 дней назад

      @@duncanpriestley964 Well, he was just a member of a borough council at the time. He was probably just politically involved enough to go out and ask this question.

    • @duncanpriestley964
      @duncanpriestley964 19 дней назад

      @@zackerycooper7602 Just me being a bit of a conspiracy theorist. 😉

  • @radioandtvmemories6178
    @radioandtvmemories6178 3 месяца назад

    It's great to see a full edition of "First Report", including the opening titles and theme music

  • @markadams738
    @markadams738 3 месяца назад +3

    Traitor Heath

  • @paulcarbonaro6748
    @paulcarbonaro6748 29 дней назад +1

    How ironic: Labour represents 'Brexit' here (in the form of Peter Shore).

  • @insertclevername4123
    @insertclevername4123 5 месяцев назад +6

    Producer: This is shaping up to be an interesting debate, but given that both sides talk about food prices and the effect on the housewife, shouldn't we at least get one woman's point of view on this?
    Rev. Bill Morgan: No need; I've got this.

  • @ULHIS
    @ULHIS 4 месяца назад +1

    We lied to get into it and lied to get out of it.

  • @Da1Dez
    @Da1Dez 4 месяца назад +4

    Peter Shore's policies reflect what people wanted in the UK.

  • @wishawweather5421
    @wishawweather5421 5 месяцев назад +6

    Compare the quality of these answers to the quality you'd get from their modern equivalents nowadays. Namely Liz Truss and Johnathon Reynolds (I hear most ask - who?). Incredible how far modern politics has dumbed down over 50 years. Back in those days people answered questions with facts. Nowadays they don't seem to answer at all.

    • @jackmatthew1880
      @jackmatthew1880 4 месяца назад

      To be fair, you don't hear many fair questions nowadays.

    • @martin-d4h
      @martin-d4h 4 месяца назад

      The few that are asked any searching questions do reply, with lies dressed up as facts.

  • @benreadspoetry7958
    @benreadspoetry7958 5 месяцев назад +1

    Another excellent upload. Could you put up the live coverage from the first night onwards of the Gulf War in 1991?

  • @fodsaks
    @fodsaks 3 месяца назад +1

    Best question from Mr Simpson at 11:30.
    That's been the problem all along.

  • @Sheffield_Steve
    @Sheffield_Steve 5 месяцев назад +4

    ITN, how many years is this before News At One with the legendary Leonard Parkin began?
    The lunchtime news programme that I remember growing up.

    • @joehurst
      @joehurst 5 месяцев назад +3

      Both Robert Kee and Leonard Parkin presented First Report and News At One. See the video "ITN First Report Intro 1974" in which Parkin is the presenter. First Report started on 16th October 1972 following the ending of the restrictions on broadcasting hours earlier that year. Back then it came on at 12:40 pm. It moved to 1:00 pm on 30th September 1974. On 13th September 1976 its name was changed to News At One.

    • @EssexNonLeague
      @EssexNonLeague 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@joehurstPeter Snow and Peter Sissons were also regular presenters of First Report and News at One.

    • @joehurst
      @joehurst 5 месяцев назад

      @@EssexNonLeague Peter Sissons yes but Peter Snow, really?

    • @EssexNonLeague
      @EssexNonLeague 5 месяцев назад

      @joehurst Sorry, I should have clarified Peter Snow presented the show every now and again, but not as regularly as Peter Sissons.

    • @joehurst
      @joehurst 5 месяцев назад

      @@EssexNonLeague Well i didn't even know he'd presented it at all. I think Peter Snow is best remembered for his BBC work e.g. Newsnight.

  • @paulcarbonaro6748
    @paulcarbonaro6748 29 дней назад

    Joining the EU made absolute economic sense. However, integrating things beyond that in the early '90s, was a step too far for all countries concerned.

  • @alphabetaxenonzzzcat
    @alphabetaxenonzzzcat 5 месяцев назад +9

    Peter Shore was a great Labour man. I have a lot of respect for him. As well as the fact that he saw what the EEC would turn into.

    • @jojojojo4332
      @jojojojo4332 5 месяцев назад +1

      a great union that is not like the sovjet union he so admired.

    • @viewfromtheanglo4334
      @viewfromtheanglo4334 4 месяца назад

      @@jojojojo4332😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

  • @scarfyleah
    @scarfyleah Месяц назад +2

    Teddy boy....loved boys

  • @danielmurray1490
    @danielmurray1490 5 месяцев назад +3

    Peter Shore probably should of been the lefts candidate instead of Michael Foot to replace Callaghan as labour leader in 1980 Foot originally backed Shore but was persuaded to stand, it probably came 20 years too late for Foot

  • @adamcormie3362
    @adamcormie3362 5 месяцев назад

    Its how well spoken and academic they are back then, news and debates are so dumbed down now in comparison. It's amazing how the arguments are still exactly the same.

  • @BrianOh-uc3gm
    @BrianOh-uc3gm 5 месяцев назад +6

    Shore was seeking to go back to the 'glory days' of the British empire, just like his Brexit successors.

  • @BoogDude14
    @BoogDude14 5 месяцев назад

    Look at that power stance!

  • @cclewes7373
    @cclewes7373 5 месяцев назад +7

    Heath was right

    • @stephenchappell7512
      @stephenchappell7512 4 месяца назад

      Indeed + I believe the smears associated with his personal life
      were part and parcel of the Brexit campaign

    • @stephenchappell7512
      @stephenchappell7512 4 месяца назад

      Indeed + I believe the smears associated with his personal life
      were part and parcel of the Brexit campaign

    • @jamesanthony4034
      @jamesanthony4034 21 день назад

      Wrong.

  • @RM-jj4xi
    @RM-jj4xi 4 месяца назад +2

    Compare what Heath said about the treaty prior to and immediately post accession …and what he later said about the intentions of the treaty vis a vis ever closer unity and sovereignty encapsulated in the treaty by say 1989 and later……and you learn a lot about how Ted Heath played politics. The archive is not kind to him either on his transparency on these issues. Duplicitous.

  • @imccorm
    @imccorm 5 месяцев назад

    Features Derek Red Robinson!

  • @willhovell9019
    @willhovell9019 3 месяца назад

    Shaw was a disaster for the Labour party

  • @scarfyleah
    @scarfyleah Месяц назад +1

    Peter shore proper labour....a patriot

  • @viewfromtheanglo4334
    @viewfromtheanglo4334 4 месяца назад +7

    Peter Shore, a great Labour man who saw what the EEC was all about. The Labour Party could do with people like Peter Shore now

  • @drtreg
    @drtreg 4 месяца назад +2

    heath hated shores flowing hair

  • @westminsterwatcher5152
    @westminsterwatcher5152 5 месяцев назад +6

    Heath was always an uncompromising fool!

  • @skaboosh
    @skaboosh 5 месяцев назад +1

    he like dem boy

  • @SuperHeadman1
    @SuperHeadman1 5 месяцев назад +4

    I'd forgotten what an obnoxious and condescending liar Ted Heath was

    • @scarfyleah
      @scarfyleah Месяц назад

      Rent boy....renter

    • @scarfyleah
      @scarfyleah Месяц назад

      Dew dew dew heath looks talks and acts like Cameron....all makes sense 😂

  • @robertblackburn752
    @robertblackburn752 4 месяца назад +1

    Heath never married….. funny that.

    • @joehurst
      @joehurst 4 месяца назад +2

      He batted for the other side.

    • @Crazy1Clive
      @Crazy1Clive 3 месяца назад

      @@joehurst Never confirmed, only rumoured by people like Matthew Parris.

    • @joehurst
      @joehurst 3 месяца назад

      @@Crazy1Clive There's been loads of child sex abuse allegations made about Heath and also allegations of police cover ups. Too many allegations to dismiss out of hand. I'm sure he was homosexual; he looked effeminate. Not as effeminate as the likes of Danny La Rue and Julian Clary maybe, but effeminate nonetheless.

    • @Crazy1Clive
      @Crazy1Clive 3 месяца назад

      @@joehurst Maybe so, but they were only _allegations_ - none proven, no matter how many there were. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure I agree with your assertion that Heath looked "effeminate" ... are you sure that's not just retrospective commentary?

    • @joehurst
      @joehurst 3 месяца назад

      @@Crazy1CliveYou're right, non proven. Although Wiltshire police did say that if Heath were still alive he would have been interviewed under caution over seven of the alleged offences. Jeremy Norman the gay entrepreneur and a friend of Heath's said that he believed Heath was a closet homosexual. Among many other things that I've read about him was that in the 1950s he was cautioned by police for cottaging. But how much of all this is the truth? Who knows. However, if you look at all the stuff that's out there about Heath it's hard to believe it could all be made up. And to answer your question: No it's not. Heath definitely had a feminine look about him. You may not have spotted it but i have. It's not an overly effeminate look but it's there.

  • @scarfyleah
    @scarfyleah Месяц назад +1

    Did they cancel orders no ! Then and brexit 😂