Edward Heath Attacks Margaret Thatcher and Tory Right Over Europe in Uncut Interview (2001)

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  • On 26 March 2001, former prime minister Sir Edward Heath was interviewed by ITN's Nicholas Owen. Heath was marking 51 years as a Member of Parliament, and chose the occasion to reflect on his decades-long career on the frontline of British politics. In a lengthy and revealing conversation, Heath discussed the beginning of his career as a Conservative Party whip under the leadership of Winston Churchill, his years as prime minister during which he led the UK into the European Economic Community (EEC), his opposition to Margaret Thatcher and the right wing of the Tory Party, his view of Tony Blair, and why he believed the quality of debate in the House of Commons had changed for the worse. Heath made a particular point of defending Britain's place in the European Union and criticising those in his party who were pushing for Britain to leave it. And he warned against attempts by his own party to find supporters by moving further and further to the right.
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  • @jstelzner
    @jstelzner 3 месяца назад +48

    Many of our problems seem to be we've lost the generation that understood the pain of a European war.

    • @georgesdelatour
      @georgesdelatour 3 месяца назад +2

      People who served in that war didn’t agree with each other about what it meant, though. Edward Heath, Enoch Powell, Tony Benn and Peter Shore all served in it. Jean Monnet spent most of the war safely away from harm in the USA. After the war the Americans appointed him to administer Marshall Aid to France. De Gaulle loathed Monnet.

    • @zandor5657
      @zandor5657 3 месяца назад

      very, very true

    • @alcoholicjoe6199
      @alcoholicjoe6199 3 месяца назад +1

      Ye the Austrian painter was right...this mam was a WEF man

    • @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361
      @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361 3 месяца назад

      we gonna get an african one soon ...in our own Country .

  • @liedersanger1
    @liedersanger1 3 месяца назад +7

    85 years old here. Four years before his death.

  • @aidanoc1979
    @aidanoc1979 3 месяца назад +26

    Turns out that Powell has the last laugh on Heath over Europe. Powell foretold that if Britain entered Europe then it would all the time refuse to be merged into it and there was not much future in that.

    • @RobertJonesWightpaint
      @RobertJonesWightpaint 3 месяца назад +7

      Powell was a highly intelligent man, but - utterly eccentric. You can't cut yourself off from your neighbours, though Powell thought you could; Powell was the most gifted politician I can remember over the last 60 years - but when he was wrong, he was wrong in an heroic way.

    • @andrewdavies8954
      @andrewdavies8954 3 месяца назад

      @@RobertJonesWightpaint he was not wrong in this case

    • @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361
      @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361 3 месяца назад

      @@RobertJonesWightpaint how did European union lead to a union with africa and India ..it is most unwanted by the majority , thats for sure !!!!

  • @royhumphrey49
    @royhumphrey49 3 месяца назад +15

    I may have always been a Labour man, but in those days, the opposition was respected and 'Ted' was always respected up until his departure from us.

  • @pendorran
    @pendorran 3 месяца назад +36

    The man who failed in every area where Thatcher succeeded and whom History has proven wrong on the central defining policy issue of his career and lifetime.

    • @roscomeon3965
      @roscomeon3965 3 месяца назад

      Thatcher began the destruction of the UK

    • @JamJam0189
      @JamJam0189 3 месяца назад +2

      Thatcher was a big supporter of EEC seemingly for trading reasons, at later turned against it and the Euro idea. Heath like Macmillan was from the post-war consensus era of state intervention and a strong welfare state and strong unions. There were issues in the 1970's but working class people in general did well with good wages and skilled manfacturing jobs. Thatcher was too extreme in tackling inflation above everything else resulting in huge unemployment levels and privatising anything that moved. Germany tackled inflation through more moderate changes.

  • @Da1Dez
    @Da1Dez 3 месяца назад +14

    Heath is the last prime minister to be both voted in and out of power, every PM since has either been voted to power and then resigned, or inherited power from a predecessor and then lost.... let that sink in.

    • @markbalaam1645
      @markbalaam1645 3 месяца назад +4

      What about John Major? Although he took over from Margaret Thatcher in 1990, he won in 1992 and then lost in 1997.

    • @Da1Dez
      @Da1Dez 3 месяца назад +5

      ​​@@markbalaam1645He still inherited power from his predecessor, thus influencing the electorate with his government style.

    • @JamJam0189
      @JamJam0189 3 месяца назад +1

      Thatcher was a big supporter of EEC seemingly for trading reasons, at later turned against it and the Euro idea. Heath like Macmillan was from the post-war consensus era of state intervention and a strong welfare state and strong unions. There were issues in the 1970's but working class people in general did well with good wages and skilled manfacturing jobs. Thatcher was too extreme in tackling inflation above everything else resulting in huge unemployment levels and privatising anything that moved. Germany tackled inflation through more moderate changes.

  • @wilsonfisk6626
    @wilsonfisk6626 3 месяца назад +5

    5:03 Heath was right about Blair. Explains why Blair gave up his seat after stepping down.

  • @lordtherapeutics
    @lordtherapeutics 3 месяца назад +62

    Dreadful PM.

    • @roscomeon3965
      @roscomeon3965 3 месяца назад +5

      An outstanding leader and Prime Minister

    • @squirehaggard4749
      @squirehaggard4749 3 месяца назад +16

      @@roscomeon3965You must be joking.

    • @froggiewrench1
      @froggiewrench1 3 месяца назад

      A statesman, granted, but Maggie had 20 times the balls.​@@roscomeon3965

    • @FranzBieberkopf
      @FranzBieberkopf 3 месяца назад +7

      @@squirehaggard4749 He was the last Tory PM in the Middle Way post-war Conservative tradition.
      He agreed that he was PM of all the UK and tried to govern for the benefit of all. He was contemptuous of the
      Thatcher and post-Thatcher Conservative Party, which is really just a South-East England nationalist Party.
      The idea that there was "an enemy within" would have mystified him
      He also wasn't ruled by focus groups and opinion polls. When he agreed to accept the so-called Ugandan Asians, he did it because it was right, not popular.
      Can you imagine Sunak and the microcephalics and political dwarves who dominate today's Conservatives doing something because it was right?

    • @RobertJonesWightpaint
      @RobertJonesWightpaint 3 месяца назад +4

      @@roscomeon3965 Well - he sort of was, really. Not because he was a success, but because he was intelligent, and honourable; and ... often wrong; but then, every politician is often wrong; goes with the territory. I'd rather have Ted Heath back as Prime Minister than the vast majority of those who have succeeded him because I always knew what he stood for: he didn't disguise his views in a fog of hypocrisy. I was another party's activist in his time, and certainly I attacked him, or at least his views, for partisan reasons. But - I knew quality when I saw it, and he had it. And that's not something you can say of many of those who succeeded him - I was a journalist at the time, and opposed him over Europe: and he was right, and I was wrong.

  • @MichaelBosley
    @MichaelBosley 3 месяца назад +6

    That's his house at Arundells in the Salisbury Cathedral Close. Wandered past there many a time. I think it's open to the public now.

    • @HighKingoftheElves
      @HighKingoftheElves 3 месяца назад +4

      I’ve been inside, it’s an absolutely beautiful house, and it’s set up almost like he’s still living there, his bathroom is done up and his library is still stocked

    • @nathanielgrant3909
      @nathanielgrant3909 2 месяца назад +1

      @@HighKingoftheElves How glourious! I must head there before the Summer is out: pay a sort of homage....

    • @HighKingoftheElves
      @HighKingoftheElves 2 месяца назад +2

      @@nathanielgrant3909 a beautiful house for a not so beautiful man, I disliked him as a PM but he does have good taste

    • @nathanielgrant3909
      @nathanielgrant3909 2 месяца назад +3

      @@HighKingoftheElves I read Philip Ziegler's beautifully written biography of him years ago: by far the most misunderstood man of the British political late twentieth century. As misunderstood by the country as Roy Jenkins was under-used in my view. I was always drawn to his high aesthetics in both music [organist and conductor], sailing and a love of Europe. We don't have people of *taste* in Number 10 anymore, more's the pity.

  • @xelakram
    @xelakram 3 месяца назад +25

    What a difference there is between Tory politicians of yore to the Tory politicians of today!

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 3 месяца назад +7

      This guy’s probably to the left of Starmer. Which, admittedly, is a pretty low bar to pass.

    • @xelakram
      @xelakram 3 месяца назад +1

      @@DissociatedWomenIncorporated So? What's wrong with that?

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 3 месяца назад +5

      @@xelakram it’s a pretty deep betrayal that Labour is no longer the party of labour, and instead is essentially now just Aldi brand Tories. There’s nothing wrong from Heath’s side of that equation, my criticism is of Thatcherite grifters running Labour.

    • @jstelzner
      @jstelzner 3 месяца назад +3

      This man lived through two world wars and the Great Depression that shaped his politics.

    • @jstelzner
      @jstelzner 3 месяца назад

      ​​@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Corbyn tried to take labour back to its roots and it was a total disaster. useless opposition is part of the reason the country is in the state it's in today.

  • @Iazzaboyce
    @Iazzaboyce 3 месяца назад +3

    _"History will come to it but, what they don't appreciate really, I think through ignorance, is how much we did in that government of 1970 and the first thing was we got the country into Europe and that's a permanent beneficial act."_ What Heath actually did was promise in his 1970 general election manifesto that, if elected he would not 'get the country into Europe' _"Our sole commitment is to negotiate; no more, no less."_ he then (after voters had let go of their ballot papers) joined the country to Europe without holding a referendum and the rest as they say, 'is history' - lol!

  • @offaofmercia3329
    @offaofmercia3329 3 месяца назад +3

    It was a different Europe when Heath was PM, pre mass migration, pre digital and a Eurovision song contest which we regularly won. If 15 European nations are considering Rwanda schemes I'd say things have changed.

    • @JamJam0189
      @JamJam0189 3 месяца назад

      Well we won once only in the 1970's, once in the 1980's, once in the 1990's and nearly won in 2020's and won twice in the 1960's but then France has not won in 1977. Thatcher was a big supporter of EEC seemingly for trading reasons, at later turned against it and the Euro idea. Heath like Macmillan was from the post-war consensus era of state intervention and a strong welfare state and strong unions. There were issues in the 1970's but working class people in general did well with good wages and skilled manfacturing jobs. Thatcher was too extreme in tackling inflation above everything else resulting in huge unemployment levels and privatising anything that moved. Germany tackled inflation through more moderate changes.

  • @castlelord8995
    @castlelord8995 Месяц назад +1

    Is it just me or does anyone else think of Alfred Hitchcock when they see Ted Heath?

  • @barryballsit4944
    @barryballsit4944 3 месяца назад +7

    Thatcherites criticise Heath but people were not ready for free market reforms in 1970. And Thatcher sat in his Cabinet and didn't argue for them. In fact hers was one of the high spending departments in the Heath Govt

    • @JamJam0189
      @JamJam0189 3 месяца назад +1

      Thatcher was a big supporter of EEC seemingly for trading reasons, at later turned against it and the Euro idea. Heath like Macmillan was from the post-war consensus era of state intervention and a strong welfare state and strong unions. There were issues in the 1970's but working class people in general did well with good wages and skilled manfacturing jobs. Thatcher was too extreme in tackling inflation above everything else resulting in huge unemployment levels and privatising anything that moved. Germany tackled inflation through more moderate changes.

  • @RM-jj4xi
    @RM-jj4xi 28 дней назад

    Heath’s duplicity over Europe stored up many problems for the future that we now have to contend with.

  • @josephthomasjr.6551
    @josephthomasjr.6551 3 месяца назад +8

    I wonder what Ted Heath would have thought of Brexit? Not to mention Theresa May and Liz Truss and Boris Johnson? And, needless to say, Rishi Sunak? What a pity he is no longer with us to share his reflections! C'est la vie.

  • @stuartnoyes2615
    @stuartnoyes2615 Месяц назад +1

    The man was a progressive. Not a conservative in any aspect.

  • @uptoapoint7157
    @uptoapoint7157 3 месяца назад +5

    Revolting example of pink Conservatism and a forerunner of the weaklings we see today.

  • @markwatkins8309
    @markwatkins8309 3 месяца назад

    Follow-up question missed - why did that fail in that hour with the TUC.

  • @liamb8644
    @liamb8644 3 месяца назад +23

    Maggie didn’t fiddle with kids.

    • @roscomeon3965
      @roscomeon3965 3 месяца назад +22

      But she was complicit in assisting Jimmy Savile gain access to vulnerable children. Same as fiddling.

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 3 месяца назад

      There is no evidence Edward did either. There's actually no evidence he experienced any attraction to anyone, of any age or gender, it seems likely that he was asexual. The allegations you refer to came from someone who was themselves later convicted for possession of indecent images of children. In summary, it was most likely a hoax.

    • @jojojojo4332
      @jojojojo4332 3 месяца назад +3

      All the kids of south africa.

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 3 месяца назад

      There’s no evidence Edward did either. In fact there’s no evidence he ever experienced attraction to anyone, of any age or gender. The allegations you refer to have already been disproven as a hoax.

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 3 месяца назад +13

      Neither did Edward, that allegation was proven to be a hoax.

  • @MultiVince95
    @MultiVince95 3 месяца назад +2

    Monday 26th March 2001

  • @adamsimmons631
    @adamsimmons631 3 месяца назад +17

    Traitor

  • @BradleyWilliams-vu4us
    @BradleyWilliams-vu4us 3 месяца назад +1

    What happened to the £75000 statesman lol fee he got after entering the eu ….. very strange

  • @danieloriordan5159
    @danieloriordan5159 3 месяца назад +3

    One of the greatest quotes:
    So apparently when you heard that Margaret Thatcher had resigned - you said "rejoice rejoice"
    Heath: "I think I said it three times"
    😂

  • @williamjoyce3042
    @williamjoyce3042 3 месяца назад +5

    I have never been a fan of Tories, but I have to say Edward Heath has some honor unlike the BS we have now.

  • @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361
    @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361 3 месяца назад +1

    ..funny how 'Union with Europe' led to close allegiance with west Asia and Africa . .. very strange !!!!

  • @BossySwan
    @BossySwan 3 месяца назад +5

    Grumpy old Grocer.

  • @al_l6418
    @al_l6418 19 дней назад

    I quite like his trousers

  • @WILLIAM1690WALES
    @WILLIAM1690WALES 3 месяца назад +2

    When he got Britain, it was called a common market and it was about trade. It ended up with the EU being about every minor rules and regulations that we Obeyed , but most countries in southern Europe did not, oh yes and I won’t hear the lecture of Edward Heath. Let me just say he was friends with certain individuals McAlpine Jimmy Savile. Oh yes, and they like to go to Jersey for visits as well??

    • @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361
      @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361 3 месяца назад

      ..and somehow or other European union led to Britain becoming a second Pakistan

    • @WILLIAM1690WALES
      @WILLIAM1690WALES 3 месяца назад

      @@alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361 no, we are the first Pakistan, the first India and the first black

    • @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361
      @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361 3 месяца назад +1

      @@WILLIAM1690WALES no chance .....thats all Lies.

    • @JamJam0189
      @JamJam0189 3 месяца назад +1

      Thatcher gave Saville a knighthood and tried to cover over Hillsborough, she was a big supporter of EEC seemingly for trading reasons, at later turned against it and the Euro idea. Heath like Macmillan was from the post-war consensus era of state intervention and a strong welfare state and strong unions. There were issues in the 1970's but working class people in general did well with good wages and skilled manfacturing jobs. Thatcher was too extreme in tackling inflation above everything else resulting in huge unemployment levels and privatising anything that moved. Germany tackled inflation through more moderate changes.

    • @WILLIAM1690WALES
      @WILLIAM1690WALES 3 месяца назад

      @@JamJam0189 The British hero Margaret Thatcher prime minister 79 changed Britain over 11 years in every aspect of prosperous, home owning, destroying the unions, defeating fascist, Argentina and you are probably one of those left stab in the back who are traitors to the UK, and if I had my wish I’d expel you to either Russia or China.🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧👌

  • @colinstewart1432
    @colinstewart1432 13 дней назад

    Disgusting.

  • @Da1Dez
    @Da1Dez 3 месяца назад +4

    Starmer is going to be very similar to Heath in legacy; starts unpopular as opposition leader after his predecessor fails the party, starts to pick up support when the governing party mucks up, eventually wins election (likely to happen) but is followed by social and cultural turbulence (instead of economic turbulence) in the country and eventually looses the following election when another party/leader arrives on the scene, thus paving the way for a new kind of politics..... for better or worse.

  • @juniorbramble7760
    @juniorbramble7760 3 месяца назад

    [PRIVATE EYE]....GROCER.......✍🏿

  • @JohnnyWaterbucket
    @JohnnyWaterbucket 3 месяца назад +14

    I'm no Tory, but I could tolerate this guy. Better than all the Extreme Right Wing rubbish you have in the Conservative Party these days.

    • @roscomeon3965
      @roscomeon3965 3 месяца назад +1

      Absolutely correct

    • @1985indeed
      @1985indeed 3 месяца назад

      No, you didn't. Always the comments "prefer this Tory PM who weren't like this today's PM....but they weren't like😮 x/y/z Tory leader" always in hindsight. But you have never lied or voted for Tories.
      Bore off, cretins.

    • @martinjenkins6467
      @martinjenkins6467 3 месяца назад

      What you want weak incompetent government that both sides were in
      The 70s. Remember they turned the
      Uk into a third world country.
      Only those countries get loans from
      The IMF.

    • @froggiewrench1
      @froggiewrench1 3 месяца назад

      Are you having a laugh? Extreme right wing? Really? The difference between then and now is that there were more statesmen with intellect. Think of Benn. And Heath. It has less to do with political colour than with intellect. Today's lot are pure junk.

    • @georgesdelatour
      @georgesdelatour 3 месяца назад +3

      1) Edward Heath passed the 1971 Immigration Act, which radically reduced Commonwealth immigration, even though he also permitted 27,000 Ugandan Asians to settle in the UK. Compared with the out-of-control levels of immigration we’ve experienced under the present government, Heath would have to be considered more “right wing” on immigration than the 2019 Conservatives.
      2) Heath reneged on his election promise to reduce the state’s share of GDP. In fact it went up under his government. It was still lower than it is today under the 2019 Conservatives. So, again, he was technically more “right wing” than today’s Tories.
      3) The tax burden today is actually higher than it was under Edward Heath. So again, he was technically more right wing.

  • @paulcarbonaro6748
    @paulcarbonaro6748 Месяц назад

    Edward: too weak in the face of union power.

  • @garyreid7865
    @garyreid7865 3 месяца назад +4

    a sale out .like MSM

  • @westminsterwatcher5152
    @westminsterwatcher5152 3 месяца назад +2

    A hopelessly inept PM!

    • @Da1Dez
      @Da1Dez 16 дней назад

      Not Liz Truss?

  • @sebastienwdowiak8430
    @sebastienwdowiak8430 3 месяца назад +11

    We need brave winners as maggie and not fatty u turn losers

    • @roscomeon3965
      @roscomeon3965 3 месяца назад +3

      Edward Heath was a colossus. A titan.An outstanding politician and minister. Exceptional Prime Minister.
      What a brain. What a mind. What a loss

    • @sebastienwdowiak8430
      @sebastienwdowiak8430 3 месяца назад +9

      What a joke

  • @richardgrosvenor9660
    @richardgrosvenor9660 Месяц назад

    Nonce

  • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
    @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 3 месяца назад +14

    Thatcher started the slow demise of our country. Now we're swimming in sewage, both metaphorically and literally.

    • @thomashall4886
      @thomashall4886 3 месяца назад

      Thatcher saved our country after Labour destroyed the economy. The country entered terminal decline the moment she left office

    • @BossySwan
      @BossySwan 3 месяца назад +9

      Rubbish

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 3 месяца назад +2

      @@BossySwan that too, probably.

    • @BossySwan
      @BossySwan 3 месяца назад +7

      @@DissociatedWomenIncorporated did you live under the disastrous Winter of Discontent? She rescued us.

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 3 месяца назад +1

      @@BossySwan no, she slapped a sticky plaster of neoliberalism on the country. An unsustainable system that has, slowly but surely, brought us _right_ back to those problems, and more. I never imagined, growing up, that Star Trek’s grim predictions for the 21st century would be so prophetic… I thought for sure we’d be smarter than that.

  • @BradleyWilliams-vu4us
    @BradleyWilliams-vu4us 3 месяца назад

    😊

  • @martinjenkins6467
    @martinjenkins6467 3 месяца назад +7

    Maggie didn't need to be lectured
    By that bitter old queen. For a tory
    He was worse than a labour PM.
    Weak should have stood up the unions.