EU referendum... lessons from 1975: Michael Cockerell - BBC Newsnight
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2016
- The last referendum in the UK on the issue of Europe was on 5 June 1975. Almost exactly two-thirds voted in favour of staying. Lots has changed since then, but there are also many relevant parallels as veteran film maker Michael Cockerell explains.
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Thatcher was for a economic union of Europe NOT a political one.
Big difference.
"Thatcher was for a economic union of Europe NOT a political one". Then why did she campaign AGAINST those warning of the dangers of political union? was she really that daft and incompetent?
Well, why did she keep signing treaties that explicitly talked about "ever closer union"?
@@rory7590 At the risking of stating the blinkin' obvious: because she, like Churchill and other Tory leaders, is on record as saying that she wanted "ever closer union".
Simple, really.
And yet she campaigned for and voted for political union. Funny, that, eh?
Is that why she continued Heath's policy of selling us out to Brussels?
Interesting to see how much money was thrown at the "In" campaign.
And by whom, same dodgy characters today #BREXIT
+Paul Shemmell (Shemmie) HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE SPEAKER OF THE COMMONS & CORRUPT MP'S STEAL OFF THE TAX PAYER IN FRAUD
+outeu outeu Go back to school.... We choose our MPs to govern our country for US... they made some errors with bills like for duck houses but that has been resolved and in the past. How much money do we gove to the EU? Billions a week.
At the moment the MPs we elect to be our voice in the government cant do their jobs because the EU says no. They also give us crap laws we MUST follow... why should we?
+Michael Dance give*
It all sounds very familiar. I didn't care much for Thatcher in the long term but she made some very insightful and prophetic predictions especially about the Euro.
Voted to stay in the COMMON MARKET, not the EU.
Would love to see that Panorama head-on debate between Benn and Jenkins.
Dominic Naylor it's on RUclips
"Better to lose a little sovereignty than to lose a son or a daughter" despite the fact the previous sons and daughters who died so we would have any sovereignty and not be Germany's biggest island.
What a difference between the 1975 and 2016 referenda! The name-calling among present-day politicians (and commentators in the media, and yes, here on RUclips), is just disheartening.
41 years
I stand corrected!
rip Tony.
I think this is the only Time I agree with Tony Benn and disagree with Thatcher!
Thatcher wanted economic union of which is nothing like the monstrosity of today...she wanted nothing to do with political union...just hear how she reacted years later
The case for Britain remaining is surely much weaker now as a result of Britains diluted say in its running of the Union ie 1 Commisioner in 8 (then) as opposed to 1 in 28 (now),the damage caused to our public services through uncontrolled immigration(not an issue then). Probably the collapse of the Soviet block in 1990 was the biggest change as it left many impoverished Eastern European nations in dire financial straits seeking entrance to the EU which has been the main driver of immigration into Britain-Poland, Hungary and others.As a result of this major change the balance may have swung away from Britain being a winner from the Union to being damaged by it.Also trade has swung away from EU as it has been mired in recesssion compared to the rest of the world.
if the vote was to take place now it would be a huge majority to step in as a United Europe is the only way to stand up to Putin
@@Conorspillane brexit is not always a Russia thing
100% correct
41 years on nothing changes! Except we had no Farage or Johnson.
Farage was more sensible than Boris
If we stayed in the EU (eu not Europe) then the main agenda is to even out the balance of power that some countries hold and distribute it amongst other countries. the same with each countries wealth. As only britain and germany contribute to the EU we can see where this will lead. britain and germany will eventually be a lot worse off, although as Germany is steering the EU then its not as big a problem for them as it is the UK. The EU unelected unacountable and ran by germany. Sound familiar?
I have never seen anything more British!
Holy cow this was entertaining
if they felt that staying in the EU was a good idea , why did they have their meetings in back rooms and behind closed doors . if it was a good thing , they would have had no problem letting the public know what they were discussing .
Very good point.
Around 03:15 - Interesting to compare Roy Jenkins "good for British politics" comments with Theresa May's approach.
Tony Benn was right in his prediction; in that half a million jobs would be lost, this was right because we instantly lost our fishing industry, from which the UK never recovered. And food prices rocketed, and we never really got over that either. The Whole thing was nothing but a scam.
A brexit would mean the UK recovering it's fishing grounds, providing hundreds of thousands of jobs. countering some of the job losses, leaving the EU.
so the fact that britain entered as a sick man of europe and left with a much lower unemployment rate and in a much better shape overall, mainly because your service market grew exponentially especially in proportion of your less than 0,01 in gdp value fishing market with which you seem all so obsessed about (you hardly even want to consume fish and chips at all) is down to your intelligence and strangely the eu has nothing to do with it, yet all the cuts you have received due to tories are instead fault of the eu along with opening your borders to your ex colonies so that you moan about so many different ppl, yeah, sure, very clever, good luck with your never ending negotiations and with your useless canzuk, and since the negotiations have just started given you start from scratch, me as a european, i'd play as much a hard bargain with you as possible though i happen to have some measured trust in the eu leaders defending the block overall, all the best my friend and you'd better grow up or else the reality will hit you hard in life
How's that going
Lol how is that going.....
Tony Ben one very fine Gentleman
i couldn't vote in this referendum as i was 18 the day over the vote :(
Yep, the far-left and the far-right give you the same results in the end. In 2016, the further you head away from the centre, the stronger the support for exiting becomes.
There’s also right meaning true. We all share certain views however (wrongly) they are labeled
Wow!
Was thatcher a nutter?
Thorpe! What an actor! This at Oxford too!
Sadly today it’s practically all over-for all parties.
How did woy or thatcher, “Thorpe” or Heath ever get elected?
To put things in perspective, I would first like to say that I do not have any driving political inclinations. I am not Socialist, Nationalist, Communist, Zionist, Fascist or other. But I am British and feel that we are being pushed into the EU, not for our benefit, but because the rich and powerful favour it for some reason. Who are these 'Globalists'? Who owns the Central Banks, Multi-National Corporations and the Lion's Share of the Land and Property in this world? Are we, our children and grand children to be driven back into Serfdom that our forefathers struggled and free themselves from?
Was 9 country's now 28, total different kettle of fish!
A lot has changed since then. The union was greatly different then, as was the political climate, and I believe were Thatcher alive today, she'd have been at the head of the Leave campaign.
Spot on.
Michael Heseltine says that Thatcher would have been a reluctant remainer.
It’s always easier to sell a ‘keep the status quo’ vote than to ask people do something more radical. That’s why joining the EEC without a referendum then allowing a vote to remain in or leave (a ‘negative’ choice) was so cynical.
wasn't it thatcher the witch that stole the milk from children?
+tom conti - Yes
RogerGT
stupid.
RogerGT
and a moron.
It was Harold Wilson that started abolishing the school milk in 1968, they never got very far with the policy because they lost the 1970 election.
Well here we are in 2016 we irrational loonies victorious.
Thank God we have voted to leave this undemocratic organisation.
We voted leave. Yet we aren't leaving.
AESCULAPTORmark3 it is shocking, boris will take us out in 31st October
Shourn Harber He took you out on January 2020.
Boy we were never told the truth about why it was best to stay inside what was then the European economic community and this country was taken into something without the countries people even having a say as to what were if there was any advantage to being a slave to others and nobody should ever be a slave should they!
It's happened!
McAlpine, son of the Dorchester Mob, said the strategy of Joiners was: 'It would be Madness to Stay out'. The argument today In nuce - In a nutshell : ' it would be Madness to Stay In!'
Good for the Dundee Herald. They were right.
Melancolia e sentimentul ca fericirea are sa te copleseasca chiar in mijlocul paradisului.
Emil Cioran
Personally I voted to leave and I know a lot of people who did too. I was flabbergasted when I heard the result.
Ironic that Scotland voted for the EU by the same margin 41 years later….🏴🇪🇺
Only country with economics sense left in the union.
The Eu can override our UK parliament. We're are a diminished country within Europe
We're no better than a Latvia. Cameron went begging for a little sovereignty back and was slapped down, humiliated and threatened by the EU.
Tony Benn was correct all those years ago. He envisaged Britain as a little federal province in a undemocratic European superstate.
HEAR HEAR!
Agreed. Fuck the EU.
sooo what now?? after brexit???
The fact that we are having another referendum should tell people that something is deeply rotten with the EU.
Betrayed in 1975!
Glad half of the yes voters have regretting for believing the lies
fucking hell
Adieu les petites Anglaises ? Finally, Europeans could move further steps forwards : For example by creating a Continental Federal Union between BeNeLux Germany France Italy Spain Portugal and Austria. Irish&British Isles, Nordic Union, East-Oriental and Balkanic Europe could move at their pace.
I think this is the only Time I agree with Tony Benn and disagree with Thatcher!