8:48 - Llew would have been aware that John Davis was paid £50,000 salary in 1973, which would have been subject to 75% income tax. He did not mention that in this discussion, under Heath the top rate for over £20,000 a year was 75% - later increased to an eye watering 83% by Harold Wilson in 1974.
@@ronniemacdonald2768That £20,000 a year was a lot of money in 1973. Even the headmaster of my (secondary) school was only on about £6,000 back then. So, whatever they got back from the additional £30,000 after they'd been taxed on it (even at 75%) was a bonus. Ad that to the fact that houses - even luxury houses - were a lot cheaper back then and you can see they would have lived extremely well.
The voter in 1974 (when he twice lost) and 1970 (when he won) was entirely different in outlook, life experience and behaviour. Johnson is much more of a "meme" or soundbite politician. Heath was someone who was unwavering and resolute. He'd served in the War and was really the first "grammar school" Tory leader. Comparison with Johnson is... not really fair. I disagree with Heath on most things (not Europe), but he was from a different age. Comparison may not be helpful.
神妙大輔Daisuke だいすけ very much so in comparison to the vacuous May. Watching these 1970s interviews and debates I cannot help but be impressed by the honesty and serious mindedness of the likes of Heath Wilson foot powell Jenkins and Benn. I don't know whether it was because they grew up in more austere times and had the shared hardship of world wars but many of today's sound bite politicians come across as frivilous and insincere in comparison.
Like or loath his policies he comes across as a competent and capable statesman, Modern day leaders seem to lack any precision or grasp of detail. They waffle and flip flop and duck for cover with every transient opinion poll shift.
Heath narrowly lost that election. Won the overall popular vote but feel electorally short in MP seats. This and next October 1974 loss led the way to Thatcher....
He could have possibly managed to form a coalition with the Liberal Party if he was prepared to go along with some of their policies, which he refused. I think the Liberals preferred to prop up Labour than Conservatives back then though if required, and indeed Labour and Liberals formed a pact in the mid 70s
a@@johnking5174 It wasn't just him though - other Tories were opposed to a coaltion with the Liberals. Norman Tebbit said he hadn't been elected to go into a coalition with another party, and Margaret Thatcher criticised what she called the "horse trading" between the Tories and the Liberals. The ones who were keen were the more centrist Tories like Jim Prior.
@@callumclark4021not really, there’s no strikes by miners and militants, coal is in short supply, there is no war with the Arabs with oil prices, no war in the Middle East etc
The 1970s were great for me, I used to enjoy watching old locomotives in Oldham, and I enjoyed watching the TV programme like morecambe and wise show, Kenn dodd they were proper TV programmes
Politics has been diminished in substance if you consider Boris Johnson in his last few days as primeminister.It probably says as much about the electorate that we have such disgracefully shallow people holding power , and not using it for the good of the nation. Where are the Heaths and the Thatchers? We could do with this calibre of politician now.
I take it you weren't alive during the times they were in power. Thatcher was terrible for the working man, Heath was no better. It's sad that not only do we have shallow politicians these days, but we have a working class who are equally shallow and self-interested.
His accent is nothing like Patrick Stewart's. Heath was from Kent and despite his attempts to put on a plummy voice that kept poking through. The Python boys did a whole skit about what a weird voice Heath had.
OMG He really does, doesn't he ! Im now have the hideous image in my mind of those two engaging in sexual congress ! Aaaaaargh! Must think of something else .....
He was a pedophile his victim was a man who spoke out before he died I mean the victim like Savile people were taking in by his charm and smile apparently he sexually groomed him When he was young if you don’t believe me look it up man was a Nonce
Strikes brought down the Heath government, the Callaghan government and twice they attempted it with Thatcher in 1981 and '84-'85. And its debatable they threatened the Wilson governments. In the end, strikes broke the unions, or clipped their wings a bit.
@@Anime9100 Of course there were, but not for what we now call a billion - that was a thousand million. Not so very different from saying a hundred million, really. If you said "one billion" in the 1970s that would have meant a million million.
I WAS IN ENGLAND IN 1974, 2 MONTHS, BUT I FID NOT KNOW WHO WS PRIME MINISTER. I THINK I WAS NOT INTERESTED. I WAS INTERESTED ONLY IN FRANCE, AND ACCESSORILY ITALY.
These are the allegations and the positions Heath held at the time: 1961 Heath allegedly raped and indecently assaulted an 11-year-old boy during a paid sexual encounter in private in a dwelling. At the time Heath was MP for Bexley and Lord Privy Seal in Harold Macmillan’s government with responsibility for negotiating the UK’s first attempt to join the European Economic Community. 1962 While Heath was still Lord Privy Seal, he allegedly indecently assaulted a 10-year-old boy during a chance encounter in a public place while in the company of an unknown adult male. 1964 While secretary of state for industry, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted a 15-year-old boy during three paid sexual encounters. Heath was made Tory party leader a year later. 1967 Two years after becoming leader of the oppositon, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted a 15-year-old boy who was not known to him, in private, during a chance encounter in a public building. 1976 A year after being ousted as Tory leader, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted an adult male during a chance encounter at a public event. The alleged incident was “over clothing”, according to the police. Heath was MP for Sidcup at the time. 1990-92 While MP for Old Bexley and Sidcup, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted a boy in private, during a chance encounter in private gardens. The boy, who was aged between 12 and 14, was not known to him. But the report says investigators “gathered information that potentially undermines the victim’s account”. 1992 Then father of the House of Commons, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted an adult man after consent was withdrawn, in what had been a paid consensual sexual encounter in a hotel. The report gave no more specific details about the individual allegations. It said more details could compromise the anonymity of the victims and “inadvertently lead to an inference as to the guilt or otherwise of Sir Edward Heath”.
8:48 - Llew would have been aware that John Davis was paid £50,000 salary in 1973, which would have been subject to 75% income tax. He did not mention that in this discussion, under Heath the top rate for over £20,000 a year was 75% - later increased to an eye watering 83% by Harold Wilson in 1974.
Christ, how did they manage to eat?
@@ronniemacdonald2768That £20,000 a year was a lot of money in 1973. Even the headmaster of my (secondary) school was only on about £6,000 back then.
So, whatever they got back from the additional £30,000 after they'd been taxed on it (even at 75%) was a bonus.
Ad that to the fact that houses - even luxury houses - were a lot cheaper back then and you can see they would have lived extremely well.
Compare Edward heath's grasp of detail to Boris Johnson's, a complete contrast.
Heath was a vastly better than Johnson.
Compare Harold Wilson's grasp of detail to bungling Keir Starmer, a complete contrast.
But his judgement was consistently wrong
Yes indeed.
The voter in 1974 (when he twice lost) and 1970 (when he won) was entirely different in outlook, life experience and behaviour.
Johnson is much more of a "meme" or soundbite politician.
Heath was someone who was unwavering and resolute.
He'd served in the War and was really the first "grammar school" Tory leader.
Comparison with Johnson is... not really fair.
I disagree with Heath on most things (not Europe), but he was from a different age. Comparison may not be helpful.
He was straight talking
very cogent, honest interview by Heath - regrettably not what people wanted to hear for him to win an election
神妙大輔Daisuke だいすけ very much so in comparison to the vacuous May. Watching these 1970s interviews and debates I cannot help but be impressed by the honesty and serious mindedness of the likes of Heath Wilson foot powell Jenkins and Benn. I don't know whether it was because they grew up in more austere times and had the shared hardship of world wars but many of today's sound bite politicians come across as frivilous and insincere in comparison.
He was a poor prime minister and replaced by a better man, Harold Wilson.
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He was an evil paedophile.
Like or loath his policies he comes across as a competent and capable statesman, Modern day leaders seem to lack any precision or grasp of detail. They waffle and flip flop and duck for cover with every transient opinion poll shift.
Heath narrowly lost that election. Won the overall popular vote but feel electorally short in MP seats. This and next October 1974 loss led the way to Thatcher....
He could have possibly managed to form a coalition with the Liberal Party if he was prepared to go along with some of their policies, which he refused. I think the Liberals preferred to prop up Labour than Conservatives back then though if required, and indeed Labour and Liberals formed a pact in the mid 70s
a@@johnking5174 It wasn't just him though - other Tories were opposed to a coaltion with the Liberals.
Norman Tebbit said he hadn't been elected to go into a coalition with another party, and Margaret Thatcher criticised what she called the "horse trading" between the Tories and the Liberals. The ones who were keen were the more centrist Tories like Jim Prior.
Hard-hitting tough interview that impressed the English voters.
"They have made a grave mistake choosing that woman."
Heath should have delayed the election until 1975 and then he would probably have won.
Why? None of what he did actually worked.
Voters in that country voted and selected for better prime minister of that time.
I wished we could live that time again and see lots of old things that we once saw. The 1970s were great .
We're basically living through it now!
@@callumclark4021 to true I feel like I’m in the 70s to be honest
@@callumclark4021not really, there’s no strikes by miners and militants, coal is in short supply, there is no war with the Arabs with oil prices, no war in the Middle East etc
Troll
@@b.p4958 No war in the Middle East? Your comment hasn't aged well.
The 1970s were great for me, I used to enjoy watching old locomotives in Oldham, and I enjoyed watching the TV programme like morecambe and wise show, Kenn dodd they were proper TV programmes
Yes and Coronation Street was better.
Politics has been diminished in substance if you consider Boris Johnson in his last few days as primeminister.It probably says as much about the electorate that we have such disgracefully shallow people holding power , and not using it for the good of the nation. Where are the Heaths and the Thatchers? We could do with this calibre of politician now.
I take it you weren't alive during the times they were in power. Thatcher was terrible for the working man, Heath was no better. It's sad that not only do we have shallow politicians these days, but we have a working class who are equally shallow and self-interested.
To be fair he is straight talking
count everytime eddy says pawer
He sort of sounds like a deeper voiced Patrick Stewart.
Patrick would hate the comparison, as Patrick openly said he is a socialist and a member of the Labour Party.
His accent is nothing like Patrick Stewart's. Heath was from Kent and despite his attempts to put on a plummy voice that kept poking through. The Python boys did a whole skit about what a weird voice Heath had.
Is the interviewer meant to look a bit like Michael Howard and John Majors love child?
Thomas the Travelling Stargazer Looooool
OMG He really does, doesn't he ! Im now have the hideous image in my mind of those two engaging in sexual congress ! Aaaaaargh! Must think of something else .....
Interviewer is Llew Gardner, a much respected ITV interviewer.
"Thom", what are you on about idiot , and the correct word is bastard not "love child"!.
@@sal.salvador202 "GABRIE'L", what are you on about idiot, and the correct name is "Gabriel"!
We are going to take measures to deal with property speculators. WTF.
"We did everything humanly possible to settle with the miners."
How did Heath ever become Tory party leader in the first place?
He was part of a special club!!!! Involving children!!!! Dolphin square!!!
@Chaz Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for selecting the leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party.
Easy, John King. He was correctly perceived as a truly outstanding man
Easy to blackmail...
@@nicoladouglas3270 that was proved to be bollocks
He comes accross well
evil man
He was a pedophile his victim was a man who spoke out before he died I mean the victim like Savile people were taking in by his charm and smile apparently he sexually groomed him When he was young if you don’t believe me look it up man was a Nonce
HEATH IS A GREAT SPEAKER! NUMBER 1 IN THE UK.
Politicians are responsible for the state our country is in, no one else.
Who governs ? And the people said " not you mate" ! February 1974.
That's not true. Heath got more votes than Wilson in February '74.
@@MrAJR76 Yes he did. But we live in a parliamentary democracy and Wilson's Labour party gained more seats.
John Dais 50000 pounds a year 1974 ,Denise Coates 421 million pounds in 2021 how times have changed
There is a disruptive element, the irony, yes Mr Heath that element you and your MPs.
Strikes brought down the Heath government, the Callaghan government and twice they attempted it with Thatcher in 1981 and '84-'85. And its debatable they threatened the Wilson governments.
In the end, strikes broke the unions, or clipped their wings a bit.
3:30 “[...]2,000 million pounds a year.”
....that’s not a number.
This was common parlance before the american definition of a billion took over in Britain
...so, you’re saying that you all didn’t have definition for a number past million except saying, “ ____ thousand ____ million?”
@@Anime9100 Thousand million was a "milliard" but nobody used it, then 10^6 was a billion (a million million).
@@Anime9100 Of course there were, but not for what we now call a billion - that was a thousand million. Not so very different from saying a hundred million, really. If you said "one billion" in the 1970s that would have meant a million million.
I WAS IN ENGLAND IN 1974, 2 MONTHS, BUT I FID NOT KNOW WHO WS PRIME MINISTER. I THINK I WAS NOT INTERESTED. I WAS INTERESTED ONLY IN FRANCE, AND ACCESSORILY ITALY.
why are you shouting and why would ANYONE be interested in France? yawn
These are the allegations and the positions Heath held at the time:
1961 Heath allegedly raped and indecently assaulted an 11-year-old boy during a paid sexual encounter in private in a dwelling. At the time Heath was MP for Bexley and Lord Privy Seal in Harold Macmillan’s government with responsibility for negotiating the UK’s first attempt to join the European Economic Community.
1962 While Heath was still Lord Privy Seal, he allegedly indecently assaulted a 10-year-old boy during a chance encounter in a public place while in the company of an unknown adult male.
1964 While secretary of state for industry, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted a 15-year-old boy during three paid sexual encounters. Heath was made Tory party leader a year later.
1967 Two years after becoming leader of the oppositon, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted a 15-year-old boy who was not known to him, in private, during a chance encounter in a public building.
1976 A year after being ousted as Tory leader, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted an adult male during a chance encounter at a public event. The alleged incident was “over clothing”, according to the police. Heath was MP for Sidcup at the time.
1990-92 While MP for Old Bexley and Sidcup, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted a boy in private, during a chance encounter in private gardens. The boy, who was aged between 12 and 14, was not known to him. But the report says investigators “gathered information that potentially undermines the victim’s account”.
1992 Then father of the House of Commons, Heath allegedly indecently assaulted an adult man after consent was withdrawn, in what had been a paid consensual sexual encounter in a hotel.
The report gave no more specific details about the individual allegations. It said more details could compromise the anonymity of the victims and “inadvertently lead to an inference as to the guilt or otherwise of Sir Edward Heath”.
Hello, Sailor😁😉
The best female prime minister the Labour party ever had.
Hell isn’t hot enough for this creature
How so?
apparently there were covered up sex abuse claims against Heath @@earlgrey3660
Heath was such a bore
Bore? ruclips.net/video/WcZ2bZO3oVk/видео.html
@Nicholas Ennos Nicholas you met him? When?
@Nicholas Ennos Oh dear, what age were you when Heath came there?
@Nicholas Ennos I have read those rumours and it doesn't look good.
@Nicholas Ennos He comes across as a robot. I never warmed to him at all. He seemed cold as ice with ice water in his veins.