The Difference Between Marvel Games And DC Is Just Sad
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- With the end of suicide squad kill the justice league happening, I wanted to talk about the state of WB and DC games compared to their counterpart marvel games. With so many marvel games on the horizon including black panther, iron man, captain america, DC has just got ... wonder woman.
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its really sad but for the love of god we need more dc games that focus on other charatcers besides batman.
I really thought suicide squad was a Superman game reject but not bad
DC mostly only knows how to make good Batman movies and videogames, whenever they make a movie or videogame about another character, it generally sucks. Like Superman Returns, and Superman Returns the Game, or the Green Lantern movie and the game Green Lantern Rise of the Manhunters, or the two Suicide Squad movies that sucked and the one Suicide Squad game everyone hates. Though Man of Steel was pretty good, but we had no Superman game with it, and the first Wonder Woman movie was also good, but second WW movie sucked and we're still waiting on the game.
@@GodofWar292 the second suicide squad from James Gunn is widely enjoyed wdym?
@@jboy544 I didn't enjoy it, it sucked. First movie at least made some money, second one hardly anybody watched it so it bombed and loss WB money. Only the few biased Suicide Squad/coping DC fans who saw it think it's good, but for normal people who saw it like my wife who knows nothing about comics, it sucked.
@@jaxonrobertl1494 The thing is WB owns 11 game studios. That’s 11 studios that could be put to work on making games for your DC IP.
Rocksteady
WB Montreal
Monolith Productions
Avalanche Software
NetherRealm
Player First Games
TT Games
WB Boston
WB San Francisco
WB San Diego
WB New York
Now of course not every studio was built to handle AAA game development. Some of these do AA games like the Lego games with TT Games. Some are mobile titles. But, they’ve got to start giving their other studios chances to build games on the DC IP.
What's upsetting is that WB doesn't even try. Like they have all the capability to make games like these. One of the most common justifications is that their most popular characters are too OP and hard to implement in a game. Which is not only bulsh*t since there's tons of fan games (and even GTA mods) of the characters out there looking professional as hell (like Propulsion, a Flash fan game by a youtuber called dworeni). But also, they could just focus on the more grounded characters like the Teen Titans. A triple-a teen titans game where you can switch between character mid combat works well. If they wanted proof that a team game works, they can look to Guardians of the Galaxy. I don't think they would want to do the GOTG strategy where you just control robin and order the titans around BUT, it could still work. OR Imagine a Midnight Suns-eque Strategy Game for Justice League Dark.
TLDR: There's so many DC games that could be made but WB is just lazy and uncreative
Imagine this:
Static Shock in the style of Infamous
Deadshot/Deathstroke in the style of MGS/Splinter Cell
A Flash game similar to Marvel's Spider-Man
Both Marvel and DC fans want good DC games. The problem is WB doesn't want to take chances with DC's B Heroes. Harley Quinn has been stuffed down our throats in every form of media possible.
I never want to hear the words "harley" and "quinn" in the same sentece ever again
Arkham Knight's graphics were so peak imagine what a game in 2020 could have looked like. I wish we still got them :(
Also the more I think about it, I wouldn't mind a Marvel Rivals-like game for DC
Marvel: makes games about other heroes besides Spider-Man
Dc: make it about Batman or Batman related characters
DC has such a huge catalog of characters that would make great video games and for whatever reason hey just keep sticking with Batman I know superman is OP as hell but come on he’s the 2nd most popular superhero in the dc universe and the one video game he has is easily the worst video game of all time, the flash not a single video game same thing with green lantern there’s other dc characters besides Batman I don’t understand why Batman is there go to when it comes to video games
green lantern did get a game if I remember correctly. It was a tie in to that ryan renolds movie
Batman is their safe bet and fans are also to blame. How the excitement for that wonder woman game?
This just shows that you know nothing about DC Comics
@ Exactly, there are tons of fans of Wonder Woman. If a project is good, people will engage in it no matter the character. I'm not well versed in wonder woman myself but she's literally DC's big 3 and I'd happily play a game and explore her character and lore if the game looks fun
@@baki484 the WW doesn’t even have a full trailer out
Whatever the next Batman game it is, I hope it’s focused around the extended batfamily. Making many characters playable.
We already got the Batfamily with gotham knights.
@@baki484 are you kidding?
@@N3wman2992 What is he kidding about, is Gotham Knights not a game focused on the Batfamily like you want?
@@GodofWar292 it’s a game focused on four members in the batfamily. Without batman, or any of the other extended family members. As well, the characters are shallow representations that get boiled down to one note characters: the undead, the hot one, the smart one
@@N3wman2992 Sounds like you want Gotham Knights 2 with more Batfamily members.
I personally think that the only biggest difficulty for a Superman game, is his health bar, Superman Returns (in my opinion) has pretty good gameplay, the problem was that his health was the city, that removed any chance to explore
Exactly. While a city health bar is great in theory, it’s more of an encumbrance when put into practice.
I think a standard health bar would suffice. Considering you would only need to scale up the NPC enemies to even the playing field, having a standard health bar shouldn’t be an issue.
To supplement the health bar. You also need to create an invulnerability mechanic. So, the player is invulnerable up to a certain point with specific NPC archetypes, but as the difficulty increases he’s more vulnerable. To offset this you create an upgrade system to increase his resistance to higher enemy archetypes, leaving only the most dangerous enemy NPC archetypes that can hurt him.
O nerferar a Superman como en la caricatura, poner villanos como Lex Luthor con su armadura, Brainiac, Parásito, Darkseid, Doomsday y demás. Que sea un mapa de mundo abierto y el Hombre de Acero tenga que recargar su energía con el sol como pasa en las películas cuando esté debilitado. También misiones con Clark Kent estilo Shadow of Apokolips y Darksiders 2 con interacciones con algunos personajes como Lois Lane, Lex Luthor y demás, también se podrían basar en los juegos de Dragon Ball.
@@rrajendran89 this is exactly what they should do
I don’t wanna start a marvel vs dc debate but at least with marvel they care about the people playing the games are having fun
You keep on mentioning the Wonder Woman game.....
You might be a bit dissapointed.
The latest news about the game is that..... there is no game really... yet.
When they made the announcement wayyyyy back when....
All they had was a trailer... nothing else... no game.
Basically they made a WW Trailer to create interest in a future WW Game..... but had no game.... just a trailer.
And last we heard.... they still don't have a game. There seems to be lots of issues behind the scene where they did not even start making the game yet.... allegedly.
Guess we will have to wait and see.
WB is in a rebuild phase with the next wave with it hopefully being also the licensed out games it'll return to that quality of games from the Arkham and injustice era regardless of what it is I'm a Batman guy I'll never complain if we get another one but yes it would be nice to get a flash game or a DC Rivals
Doubt licensed out games will be up to that quality unless it's a really good studio working on them. The Arkham and Injustice high quality games were made in house by WB owned studios under the WB Games banner, while all the licensed out games like Superman Returns the game, Aquaman Battle for Atlantis, and Green Lantern Rise of the Manhunters were all below that quality. If they do license out, chances are it will be picked up by someone like Beenox, who hasn't made a Spider-Man game since Insomiac took over Spider-Man games. I can see Beenox being desperate for a new superhero to make a game about since Spider-Man was taken away from them, but won't be up to the quality of Arkham and Injustice unless they've improved since making the Amazing Spider-Man 2 game.
WB owns a 11 game studios. They wouldn’t need to license out their IP. They just need to put their other studios to work on DC games.
Monolith is already working on Wonder Woman. Get Rocksteady back on track working on Batman.
Get WB Montreal working on another DC IP, maybe Green Lantern. Get WB Boston, San Fran, San Diego to work on Superman or the Flash.
@@rrajendran89 Yeah but the problem is that cause marvel does license out they will always sell more than WB if they limit themselves they could have 3 studios on top of Rocksteady making Batman, Someone competent could have a go a Superman or Flash
@@KloudBAT They license out not because they sell more, but because Disney doesn’t have internal game studios anymore.
Disney Games and Propaganda Games were shut down over a decade ago. Marvel Games is only is publishing label not an actual studio.
The difference is that WB has 11 working game studios. But, only Rocksteady, Monolith, WB Montreal, Avalanche and NetherRealm work on AAA games. They need to cultivate talent and get their remain studios to start expand and driving their DC IP.
@@rrajendran89 True but having good optimisation with WBs Internal Studios wouldn't allow them to scale to Marvels endless potential of licensing out on a Quantity level but yes I think optimising their owned studios to make them make IPs that make sense like Rocksteady going back to Batman but on top of that allow external studios to fulfill other untouched IPs like flash, superman, GL etc
8:00 Nah, let’s be honest with ourselves. Netease has only made mobile games before rivals. The pairing did not make sense but turned out to be a miracle
I thought it made sense but I didn’t see this level of success that’s for sure
I totally agree with your sentiment. Even as someone who loves Batman and the Arkham games I feel he is over used. So many awesome characters under there roster but on a multiple choice test they keep circling the same answer for everything. Not to mention development times are so long now it will take them forever to get there head out of there asses and course correct
WB needs get their head out of their ass and needs to OUTSOURCE THEIR SHIT TO PEOPLE WHO GIVE A SHIT!
WB incompetence aside, Marvel licenses their IP to 3rd party devs which explains the quantity and quality differences .
WB/DC mostly uses in house studios. Only 3 in house studios (4 if you add Netherealm and the Injustice series) make DC games.
well the thing is. The quality vs quantity thing doesn't really count for Marvel. For all of their releases except Avengers, they've had several critically successful games. DC has fewer games and it hurts them when the last two games have been bad and most people won't play the Arkham shadow game if they don't have a Oculus
DC could make a really good game about GL corps and it being based in space. Other lesser known hero’s could make good games like Hawkman or Vixen
I feel you ! On the flip side that’s what excites me about Max’s Lantern show being a space detective show
I feel you on this, as someone who is a flash fan, it’s hard to watch him get disrespected by dc and other fans. Because I want him to get a good video game. But no dc only wants Batman movies and games for like the next two decades. So I’m just going to enjoy Spider-Man and Quicksilver content instead lol
Us fans have made it so that DC cant really take the risk of having a brand that is anything else than Batman. If we want a Superman game we need to show up for James Gunn Superman movie. That is how it works.
Thankyou for holding people accountable. They keep blaming Batman when they should look at themselves.
Wonderwoman has a game coming out but no one seems interested and when it fails guess what? More Batman.
Even the Batman adjacent characters (Gotham knights) didn't bring in the Batman money
@@neutralbychoice3584 not really. They made games about other people, the games were just bad. I'm not supporting garbage for the sake of showing interest in said character 🤣
It’s kind of sad we are getting bad dc games because I miss having good dc games because they were fun.
Blame WB
@ I agree I blame Warner bros one hundred percent for their incompetence with dc and there gaming division as a whole.
Marvel goes for the target shotgun approach while dc is more of aim sniper approach, but dc aimed for our attention and wallet
One of the main reasons is because how overpowered the characters are suicide squad flopped for multiple other reasons but one of the main reasons is because it wasnt realistic superman has the power to pull galaxies how do you make a game around someone whos basically a god and the other members are pretty comparable to him to but i will say alot of human characters arent getting any attention either a green arrow and black canary game would be amazing i can kind of understand the super-powered hero but some non super-powered characters deserve a game
The closest we have to a Superman game is.....
DC Universe Online. ;)
You can create a pretty good version of Superman in DCUO.
Heck you can recreate Superman..... Superman 1000000.... Superman Prime.... Superman from the GodFall storyline..... and More!!. ;)
It would be nice if DCUO did something special for Superman in 2025.....
But there should be at the very least the Superman Day Event???
We shall see. ;)
Superman Returns the game exists, an open world Superman game where you play as Superman flying around Metropolis saving people and stopping crimes. You've probably never played it if you think DC Universe Online is the closest we have to a Superman game.
@@GodofWar292 Superman Returns.... from 2006??
Really??
He was talking about the past 10 years.
Do I really have to specify a CURRENT Superman game???
@@DCUOMultiverse Yes you have to specify, you didn't say past 10 years, you just said closest we have to Superman game. And DCUO is also an old ass game, not current.
@@GodofWar292 Context. The video is about the past 10 years. ;)
Yea your absolutely right dcuo is the best superman game. Even the flash combat gameplay in legends is unique. Superman return game is trash asf, your health bar is protecting the city.
Damn it's already been that long since Arkham knight?
I'm getting old
This and the force awakens is 10 years old this year , Batman begins is 20 years old. PAIN
yup... and its even more painful when u realize that they took 10 years for the commit suicide squad
@seynpurrp Don't remind me😭
Me personally I loved a another attempt at a justice league heroes sequel game wear you take control of several dc characters in a top down Diablo style action RPG as it just sounds cooler
( yes basically like ultimate alliance)
Ah a cultured person here I see ! Justice league heroes was great for its time, I hope we get it again
A dream Super-Hero game would be a Marvel game like DC Universe Online.
;) ;)
The difference more like they both have one hit wonder series then go back to being bad
???
Why start your list in 2015??
Because I was talking about the past decade.
@@MattEffectGames DCUO had 36 DLCs this past decade. ;) ;)
Nice video got a sub from me! I like these types of content. Id say the 4th pillar is the flash family however. Teen titans would be the 5th
Thanks for the sub and glad the content resonates! Completely respect the flash opinion, I’m hoping he gets a big role in the DCU
@ yup! Cant wait for more content man! Keep it up
Great video on this topic.
Anyone ever played Superman Returns the game? Because that’s the only good DC Superhero game that isn’t Batman
In fairness for its time DCUO was great. Injustice games too but yes, it’s shocking how little there are
Rise of the man hunters was competent all things considered.
Injustice and injustice 2.... You were saying
@karimdavis7065 still Batman and also in that story they butchered a lot of the characters like Superman and Wonder Woman for example
arkham knight is a masterpiece. im still playing the game to this day for the platinum and never have i not had fun in it (except the divine challenge with azrael. that missions a pain in the ass and i dont think ill ever get 3 stars on that)
I play it every year, it’s the best man
Ever since WB and Discovery merged it's been nothing but trash from DC and I've been a diehard DC fan since the 80s
DC has better then a Live Service...... they have a MMO.
They are about to launch the next DCUO storyline Days of Reconning which was teased on X.
They had the Harley Quinn VS Apokolips DLC and the Brainiac Return DLCs in 2024.....
Not to mention Superman Day... BAtman Day.... Wonder Woman Day...
And all the various seasonal events like the Anti-Monitor event right now..... and the Summer Seasonal.... Halloween Seasonal..... Christmas Seasonal..... and More.
DCUO are about to launch their 49th DLC.... and will launch DCL 50 later this year.
But since you started counting only since 2015....
Since 2015 DCUO Launched 36 DLCs.
The War of Light DLCs were Lantern DLCs.
You can even make a Green Lantern character using the Light power.
Or a Yellow Lantern.
Or a Red LAntern using the Rage power.
You mention the Teen Titans.... there is a Teen Titans DLC... and there is the Homecoming Seasonal which is Titan themed.
You mention Justice League Unlimited....
The Brainiac Return DLC was made around the JLU with Batman... Superman.... WW... Aquaman.... Jon Stewart.... Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter.
I could go on and on..... but I will stop here. ;)
youre an npc. theres no way youre comparing a dead game that came out in 2011 and finally added dlcs after 5 years of its release date, to spiderman 1, spiderman 2, miles morales, marvel rivals, ultimate alliance, edge of time, xmen origins wolverine, etc i could go on and on... but i will stop here :)
@seynpurrp Added DLCs 5 years of it's release date???
DCUO came out Jan 2011.
DCUO Has been adding DLCs since 2011.
The first DLC was in Fight for the Light in Sept 2011.
Before that they would add various Missions like the Fortress of Solitude Raids... and More!!! ;)
You can't count game from before 2015 apparently.... so remove Ultimate Alliance... Edge of Time and Origins Wolverine from the list. ;)
DCUO added more content in 10 years then all them games combined. ;) ;)
The only good thing about marvel for this year was marvel rivals while other marvel media just was shitty tvshow sand only Deadpool and wolverine was amazing, while dc had awesome penguin show wining awards and Batman Arkham shadow being the best vr experience game of the year.
@@nicholasmartins3030 That's just a completely disingenuous statement.
Also X-Men 97, Agatha all along and Deadpool and Wolverine were all amazing.
@@iraford5788 Agreed. But ppl tend to discount those things because it hurts their argument
Awwww...... you did not mention DC Universe Online???
DC has the best Super-Hero MMO out there.
Even Marvel could not do that. ;) ;)
Delighted to see it still going strong
I can see why people like it but it's just not the type of game I play. Though I respect the people who play it
Arkham Origins Arkham City Arkham Knight Arkham Asylum...... you just pretty much skipped over the entire Arkham franchise
Did you even watch the video ???
There is not going to be a Superman game.
The people at DC/Warner have no desire to have a Superman game.
There could have been a Superman game.... but those plans were scrapped for SSKJL.
That should tell you something about DC/Warner when we have a game with Superman where the goal is to kill Superman.
Also.... making games takes time.
Years and years.
Look at Dragon Age the Veilguard which took 9 years to make.
Even if James Gunn decided to make a Superman game when he became the head of the DCU....
There was not enough time to get a decent Superman game done to release with the Film.
I guess they could make a movie tie-in game like they did for the Green Lantern movie??? or like they did with Thor the Dark World???
But does anyone really want that???
The best option probably would have been to make a special DLC for DCUO to be released at the same time as the Superman movie????
Will there be such DLC????
So far we have no info on such DLC.
Guess we will have to wait and see. ;)
???
Marvel has been mismanaged too.
Somehow you don't mention the Marvel MMOs that were cancelled and never released???
Not to mention Marvel Heroes... or even Marvel Avengers?? Those are not examples of good game management.
You focus on Marvel Rivals and the Spider-man game to show that Marvel is successful..... but ignore too easily all the times Marvel was mismanaged??
DC had Success too.... with the Arkham Games and with DCUO.
Both brands have been mismanaged at various points.
I would not put Marvel on a pedestal over DC at this point...
Marvels is whispering sweet nothings with all the projects they announced barely being in development on top of not even knowing how they'll turn out.
DC is in the gutter so not much to say there.
GG was really good
No need to wait 5 years for a DC game.
You have DC Universe Online.... right..... now. ;) ;)
They won’t make a Superman game or justice league game, why ? I’ll answer to another day.
They can make a Superman game. They just don’t want to make games that feature white male main characters. If I’m not mistaken a couple Japanese kids made undefeated and now they are in the midst of making the full game undefeated genesis. If some kids can make a game then an entire studio backed corporations can make a Superman game.
@@Ultraman-Bizzle how does that make sense when spider man exists? Batman? Warhammer 40k? The witcher?
spare me your deluded victim complex.
@@lambousginiguccigod2007 Look at how Spidey was treated in Spiderman ps5
@@dc7981 What happened?
I don't know I'm just fed up with both Marvel and DC
Marvels is just announcing project after project and we've seen nothing and spiderman was a disappointing sequel as far as I'm concerned that barely made improvements. I have no reason to be excited for blade, ironman, black panther they are selling prospects, after spiderman 2 I really don't excited about about anything insomniac makes. Marvel 1943 rise of hydra seems to be another one of those quantum dream games. Avengers is was just bad all around.
Gotham knights was mediocre garbage.
Suicide squad is an abomination that alienated it's fanbase killing Rocksteady's reputation
Wonderwoman is nowhere to be seen and my excitement died after finding out they only started in 2021.
SM2 only felt like a downgrade to most people because of it's ending feeling rushed and incomplete. It's like a 7/10 game otherwise. I get it, comparing to the other two which where both amazing games, it felt like a downgrade. But it wasn't in any way a BAD game on the same level as Gotham Knights, Suicide Squad, or Avengers. It seems a lil unfair to discount Insomniac SO much when 2 out of 3 of their spider-man games were great. Also, 1943 Rise of Hydra is being led by Amy Henning, the same person behind Uncharted. That was a fantastic game so I have high hopes for that. As for the other games, idk. I know Motive Studios is developing the Black Panther and Iron Man game. They were the people behind the Jedi Fallen Order games which I enjoyed so I have some excitement.
Good thing your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to insomniac marvel games, as just about everyone is really hyped for Wolverine on the same level as GTA 6.
@@jboy544 I never said spiderman 2 was as bad as Avengers, Gotham knights and Suicide squad kill the justice league I just stated that it was a disappointing sequel that led to a feeling of indifference toward Insomniac's upcoming projects on my part.
I don't care if it's Amy Henning behind Marvels 1943 especially when they showing us everything but gameplay I've seen this devs dancing around gameplay and it doesn't end well most of the time.
I love her work with uncharted (I play it annually) but I don't trust her upcoming project. Like I said I'm not getting excited over the idea of it being good.
@@iraford5788 Maybe in the Insomniac fanboy echo chambers.
I don't get lost in hype after spiderman 2 so miss me with that nonsense.
You're starting sound like those guys who cried about people "switching up" on the game.
Jean grey wolverine will be ugly because imensa politics, now 1945 we don’t know how it would be, dc games got our hearts cisne not just Arkham game shut also injustice games.
Spider woke got woke as fuck.
Please explain what is “woke” about Spider-Man?
@@MattEffectGames They had to censor the middle eastern version because of the flags.
@@MattEffectGames Sweet Baby Inc worked on it, anything Sweet Baby Inc touches becomes woke, like SSKTJL which Sweet Baby Inc also worked on, that's why it got disabled Jonkler, girl boss Harley, race swapped Dead Shot, and gender swapped Mr Freeze. In fact SSKTJL was the game that made Sweet Baby Inc infamous, when they went so overboard with their disrespect of Batman for being a white male billionaire like Elon Musk, that Sweet Baby Inc went from being unknown to being boycotted. They got boycotted so bad, every game associated with Sweet Baby Inc fails, and devs who worked with them are now hiding Sweet Baby Inc involvement in their games.
@@MattEffectGames a bunch of things, but as a game... it looks fine ig. nothing compared to the other arkham games but its definitely better than... suicide squad.
@@ninjiango9126 Don't forget them also promoting King Shark being gay for Constantine. King Shark representing the gay fish like Kanye 🏳⚧
The thing with Superman is the fact that he can fly with no limits, that alone makes near impossible to design levels for him.
People say "Open World" but that does not solve the issue that the player can just take altitude and ignore the city, wich is something that already happend in super-hero IP Lego Games.
If anything, you can play now any Lego Game with eather Marvel or DC brand select character that can fly, and realize, yep, open world Superman wont work at all.
The solution I would propouse is to make the game a Boss Russ, so that way the objective is always at front and gameplay variations at the service of the context: like a race on a worm hole to stop Speed God, a chase on space to destroy a Braniac space ship, a DBZ Budokai Tenkaichy style fight with Doomsday on city ruins, etc.
If anything, I think the real problem on Superman to games is the obssetion people have with the idea the open world is the only way to make it work, while in practice that is the limitation that makes it impossible to figure it out.
Check out Undefeated and tell me an open world superman can't work. It does, you just have to be creative with it. That game is a demo centered around boss battles. They are very engaging and fun and the challenge is, the city has a health bar which you have to keep up by stopping fires. A game with similar mechanics would work. Open world is objectively the best way to have a game for a character like Superman. But if you genuinely want a normal health bar, just change the enemy type than your typical street thugs. I think the game would work well if set in an invasion of Metropolis where the enemy types are aliens and can genuinely hurt him but just a little. But sprinkled throughout the map is larger enemies that will try to fight you on sight and those are the challenges
@@jboy544 Saw a bit of it: Like... eh.
DBZ Budokai Tankaichi style bosses, I already say that.
The towers to destroy and circles to pass throw (Lego games already had does BTW) seems to me like Ubisoft busy work.
I keep my position, the open world is over-rated, just GO on full Boss Russ, straight to the bad guys that can actualy face Superman and go crazy with the ideas of each confrontation context.
@@dr.prophet8972no one wants to play a Superman game that’s just a dbz game reskin
@ I say: go crazy with the ideas of each confrontation context.
Beside, there is a lot of DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi on that demo.
DC Rivals just give it to us already.
We can have the justice league
We can have all half of villains
The teen titans
The lantern corp
Etc
Bro if they do it and if they do it right it’ll just be the best! We need it people want it, people should have it hero shooters are the new meta if you wanna make a multiplayer experience game and DC just like marvel could cash in but also be very passionate about it at the same time.
Make it cartoonish like multiverses or something idc as long as it’s fun that’s all people want! Please DC!!
Superman Tank, Wonder women Tank, Batman DPS, The flash DPS, Green lantern support, Martin man hunter support just something!
At least DC is less woke
Marvel Rivals is less w0ke then kill the justice league