An additional one is DTC, direct traffic control, the railroad is broken into blocks and each block is named. Authority is granted by block name. It operates exactly like a DC layout that uses conventional block toggles or rotary switches.
What you described as DTM is more or less what many call "mother may I" or "verbal authority" where the dispatcher just tells the train where to go. I agree its similar to verbal CTC. But its not like DTC. DTC doesn't give you authority to a point, it gives you authority in a set block of track that the dispatcher cannot change. Lets say the Anna block goes from A to C, the Delta block goes from C to E and the Flower block goes from E to G. If the dispatcher wants the train to go from A to G, he won't say "you have authority from A to G", he would say " you have authority in 3 blocks, Anna, Delta and Flower." It was used a lot by the BN, SP and SSW. It is not used as much now.
The one big method that was left out, and is actually not used by model railroaders as much as it should be, is Rule 251 current of traffic. If there was a two main track stretch of railroad from about 1880 to about 1970, chances are it was operated by Rule 251. It wasn't until the 1970's that CTC started replacing 251 for long stretches. Each main was signaled in the current of traffic with ABS. Trains operate with the current of traffic in one direction on one main and with the current of traffic in the other direction on the other main. Operation against the current of traffic was done by train order, verbal authority or flagging. Its really easy, but requires layouts with a lot of running and not as much switching.
Hi Ron, Very good overview on different types of train authority systems. Each system has it's advantages and disadvantages so modelers should choose what works best for their specific model railroad and time period. You did an excellent job explaining each type of system. -Tom
Thanks, Tom. My plan was not to give an exhaustive coverage of all the options--that would take days--but to give an overview of some of the more popular systems for model railroads.
For once I don’t have much to add. There are a couple of points that you touched on, but didn’t really delve into. One was restricted speed. Some small branches are operated as other than main track. This requires operation at restricted speed. While you’re at it, Yard Limits and Restricted Limits also fall into this category. You also mentioned TWC with ABS signals. Here the blocks keep the trains separated, but the Warrant/Form D/OCS clearance sets the limits of where and on which track the train is authorized.
Bad Drivers OK son. I like Ron’s videos. His goal is to operate in a prototype fashion. I think that 20 years as a class one engineer qualifies me to give some pointers. Maybe you can get some additional insight by what I can add to Ron’s excellent video. What’s your problem? Oh I see, you’re that guy who tried to hire out but never could make the cut. Now you have sour grapes. Stop trolling from your computer down in mom’s basement.
I agree about the ABS signals. ABS can be overlaid over TT&TO, TWC, DTC, and Yard Limits. My advice to people is usually to just pretend they have ABS because in most cases all ABS does is help keep following trains from running into the back of a train. One thing that wasn't really covered is the amount of communication required. TT&TO doesn't necessarily require any communication with the crew but does require communication with the dispatcher to provide "OS's" on the train's locations. DTC and TWC need communication between the dispatcher and the trains. The nice thing about TT&TO on a low density operation is it requires minimal talking or intervention with the dispatcher. TWC on a high density model railroad will have the dispatcher talking almost the entire session.
@@brianburns7211 FYI, It is playing toy trains. And who are you anyway some sort of RUclips SNOPES for toy trains? "For once I don’t have much to add." You still come of as a total hole.
Great intro to the types of train authority. Looking forward to learning more! Our club is interested in doing operations with some type of authority system.
Great video, here in Omaha we don’t have a layout that is ctc. It’s a dream of mine to dispatch one. So glad you didn’t mention Precision Railroading, unfortunately you have to rid yourself a quarter of your locomotives and 40 percent of your rolling stock. Again great video.
Manual block in the US is not stand alone, it is overlaid over TT&TO (or some other system). You don't use it just by itself. Similarly you can overlay TT&TO over ABS signals.
nice video.It gives me a better understanding of the concept. My layout is not large, but I think I will use manual signaling. Also, Ron have you ever done a video on best practices for lighting a layout? Not lighting the buildings, but the overall lighting. Thanks.
Hey Ron, question. What system would you use for a "modernized steam" layout? In other words, steam engines/gas turbine engines with modern radios, like 844, 3985, and 4014 use. I'm looking at a full-service CTC system with both lights (as primary) and semaphore (secondary) signalling.
@@rdg2102 By current of traffic will only work on a dubble main track. You would have an eastward main and a westward main, and a "home" or absolute signal at the beginning of the block signal system.
Well, In a way I think you answered your own question. If it is steam operation in the modern world, a moder system like CTC, ABS or TWC would probably be the go to system.
My layout spokane sub we switch cars for bnsf or union Pacific my layout is set 2015to2019 and it is pretty busy more power comeing we talk listening to disptchar show us witch trains run 2 transfer bnsf or union Pacific
great video Ron, but due too my limited eye sight I could not read the light colored text you had in the video,maybe some thing darker please. Thank You.
Wanting to get started with operations of your layout? Check out this video next. ruclips.net/video/3CUvsoKvfew/видео.html
Just fixed myself a large bowl of buttered popcorn. Roll the film.
Good basic information here, Ron. Especially helpful for those of us with no operational background. Good to have you back! -Mike
An additional one is DTC, direct traffic control, the railroad is broken into blocks and each block is named. Authority is granted by block name. It operates exactly like a DC layout that uses conventional block toggles or rotary switches.
That is basically the same as Direct Traffic Management as I discussed.
What you described as DTM is more or less what many call "mother may I" or "verbal authority" where the dispatcher just tells the train where to go. I agree its similar to verbal CTC. But its not like DTC. DTC doesn't give you authority to a point, it gives you authority in a set block of track that the dispatcher cannot change. Lets say the Anna block goes from A to C, the Delta block goes from C to E and the Flower block goes from E to G. If the dispatcher wants the train to go from A to G, he won't say "you have authority from A to G", he would say " you have authority in 3 blocks, Anna, Delta and Flower." It was used a lot by the BN, SP and SSW. It is not used as much now.
The one big method that was left out, and is actually not used by model railroaders as much as it should be, is Rule 251 current of traffic. If there was a two main track stretch of railroad from about 1880 to about 1970, chances are it was operated by Rule 251. It wasn't until the 1970's that CTC started replacing 251 for long stretches. Each main was signaled in the current of traffic with ABS. Trains operate with the current of traffic in one direction on one main and with the current of traffic in the other direction on the other main. Operation against the current of traffic was done by train order, verbal authority or flagging. Its really easy, but requires layouts with a lot of running and not as much switching.
I definitely need Ops101... Thanks for this Ron. :)
Hi Ron, Very good overview on different types of train authority systems. Each system has it's advantages and disadvantages so modelers should choose what works best for their specific model railroad and time period. You did an excellent job explaining each type of system. -Tom
Thanks, Tom. My plan was not to give an exhaustive coverage of all the options--that would take days--but to give an overview of some of the more popular systems for model railroads.
Before the Santa Fe adopted the “General Code of Operating Rules” it was TCS. “Traffic Control System”
For once I don’t have much to add. There are a couple of points that you touched on, but didn’t really delve into. One was restricted speed. Some small branches are operated as other than main track. This requires operation at restricted speed. While you’re at it, Yard Limits and Restricted Limits also fall into this category.
You also mentioned TWC with ABS signals. Here the blocks keep the trains separated, but the Warrant/Form D/OCS clearance sets the limits of where and on which track the train is authorized.
Maybe Professor, you should make your own video. You appear to know it all.
Bad Drivers OK son. I like Ron’s videos. His goal is to operate in a prototype fashion. I think that 20 years as a class one engineer qualifies me to give some pointers. Maybe you can get some additional insight by what I can add to Ron’s excellent video.
What’s your problem? Oh I see, you’re that guy who tried to hire out but never could make the cut. Now you have sour grapes. Stop trolling from your computer down in mom’s basement.
I agree about the ABS signals. ABS can be overlaid over TT&TO, TWC, DTC, and Yard Limits. My advice to people is usually to just pretend they have ABS because in most cases all ABS does is help keep following trains from running into the back of a train. One thing that wasn't really covered is the amount of communication required. TT&TO doesn't necessarily require any communication with the crew but does require communication with the dispatcher to provide "OS's" on the train's locations. DTC and TWC need communication between the dispatcher and the trains. The nice thing about TT&TO on a low density operation is it requires minimal talking or intervention with the dispatcher. TWC on a high density model railroad will have the dispatcher talking almost the entire session.
@@brianburns7211 FYI, It is playing toy trains. And who are you anyway some sort of RUclips SNOPES for toy trains? "For once I don’t have much to add." You still come of as a total hole.
@@brianburns7211 "Stop trolling from your computer down in mom’s basement.
" Trolling must work as I just hooked a large Mouth bASS.
Just found your channel the other day and really enjoyed all of your videos. I model in Ho scale mostly. Thanks Ron!
Welcome aboard. Glad you are enjoying the videos.
Great explanation and visuals. Thanks, Ron. I learned a lot.
Great intro to the types of train authority. Looking forward to learning more! Our club is interested in doing operations with some type of authority system.
The train authority on my layout is my wife, she won't clear trains to move until I complete my "honey-do" list! 😂
LOL! I get it.
Nice video, Ron, glad you're back!
Like the use of some of the videos examples including Casper's BN layout.
I’ve personally worked under Timetable, Train Orders, CTC and Manual Blocks. I personally like the very simplified Track Warrant control used later.
Southern Pacific DTC
TWC is definitely my favorite to work with on a model railroad.
Great video, here in Omaha we don’t have a layout that is ctc. It’s a dream of mine to dispatch one. So glad you didn’t mention Precision Railroading, unfortunately you have to rid yourself a quarter of your locomotives and 40 percent of your rolling stock. Again great video.
Thanks.
Very informative video on train operations. I learned a lot. Glad to see your back making videos, thanks for sharing
Thanks. it s good to be back.
great presentation Ron ,cant wait for next instalment, Thanks Mac
Thank you for your comment and thanks for watching.
Excellent video Ron, looking forward to more.
Thanks.
Great video! I have been to a fee ops sessions but most of those sessions use car cards and radio communication.
Car cards relate to car forwarding--the topic of next week's video.
Very interesting Ron, thanks 👍
I did enjoy this video, great information
Manual block in the US is not stand alone, it is overlaid over TT&TO (or some other system). You don't use it just by itself. Similarly you can overlay TT&TO over ABS signals.
Great video Ron! I just moved to Northwest Arkansas. I hope to run into you soon in the near future and Kansas City. Keep up the great work!- Joey
thanks Ron learning at lot manchester uk
Thank you very much for sharing this fantastic video, I'm going to share it to my new Facebook group called trains across the world
Thanks for watching and for sharing it.
nice video.It gives me a better understanding of the concept. My layout is not large, but I think I will use manual signaling. Also, Ron have you ever done a video on best practices for lighting a layout? Not lighting the buildings, but the overall lighting. Thanks.
Hi, Daniel. I have not done a video on lighting, but have it in mind for a subject as some point.
Great presentation. Most helpful start. Looking forward to more. Anything about switching lists, etc,? Thanks.
Yes, I have this on switch lists, and plan another video on the subject in this series. ruclips.net/video/9nZK6QkU4Fg/видео.html
thank you Ron,nice video
Thank you for your comment and thanks for watching.
Great video Ron
Thanks.
Great stuff. I'm always wondering how far I can push realistic operations on a relatively small, solo-operated layout like mine.
You can do a lot even on a small layout.
Hey Ron, question.
What system would you use for a "modernized steam" layout?
In other words, steam engines/gas turbine engines with modern radios, like 844, 3985, and 4014 use.
I'm looking at a full-service CTC system with both lights (as primary) and semaphore (secondary) signalling.
The UP was Rule 251 current of traffic from Omaha and Fremont all the way to Granger up until the 1980's.
@@rdg2102 By current of traffic will only work on a dubble main track. You would have an eastward main and a westward main, and a "home" or absolute signal at the beginning of the block signal system.
Well, In a way I think you answered your own question. If it is steam operation in the modern world, a moder system like CTC, ABS or TWC would probably be the go to system.
My layout spokane sub we switch cars for bnsf or union Pacific my layout is set 2015to2019 and it is pretty busy more power comeing we talk listening to disptchar show us witch trains run 2 transfer bnsf or union Pacific
Sequential systems are used in prototype European systems.
Welcome back.
Thanks.
great video Ron, but due too my limited eye sight I could not read the light colored text you had in the video,maybe some thing darker please. Thank You.
Happy “National Train Day!”
Really wanted to be the first comment! Missed it.
LOL, thaks for commenting anyway.