Apart from what everyone has already mentioned, I really love how the Chinese teacher is so eager to pass on his knowledge. Without people like him, so many of us would be left in the dark. It's also thanks to you Jesse for going and bringing that knowledge out to us. It looked like he really liked having you. I hope you are able to go back and train more with him.
it's sad that Master Lin might be one of the last. I hope that videoing him will save things for posterity. I hope Jesse has more time to visit him, learn more and collect more footage!
I liked how he spoke high Chinese in the beginning of explaining the Kata but later on changed into his lokal dialect because he's like f** it, the foreigner doesn't understand anything anyways, I might as well talk comfortably then 😂
I'm so happy that this version is being preserved - It would be great for him to go through all of his Kata with 4 cameras around him, just so people can reference back to it at a later date. Thank-you very much for posting this!
Yeah my Kempo teacher said the roots of our system go back to the meiji era but everything traceable is only to like the 40's when it got blended with Karate in Taiwan. A lot of Kempo seems to have Karate links.
I live in Hawaii. I am Uchinanchu, but was born and raised here. I am proud of my "Okinawan" heritage. I have learned Karate in my youth. I transitioned to Chinese martial arts, soon after learning of the connection with China. Your videos have taught me not only about martial arts, but also culture...my own in particular. I thank you for your videos and the in depth research that must have gone into it. Your an awesome practitioner and seem to be an even more awesome man. Thanks again for your videos and please keep 'em coming my friend. Mahalo!! (Thank you in Hawaiian)
This is honestly one of your best videos. A funny thing I noticed is that the instructor speaks to you in Mandarin and his students local dialect. Because, you know, Mandarin is what you'll understand. I love how animated and excited he is telling you about the form. The passion shows through
American Kenpo, Ed Parkers modified Chinese Kenpo came from Japan to Hawaii, then he brought it to the mainland US. It has all the elements, movements and sequences, but becoming more involved and spread among other things throughout the kata's. Such as double factor blocking, using a fluid quick parry or block just before the primary blocks for more options.. Nice seeing the knowledge is there. Thanks!
I like that you framed this as both a demonstration and a disussion - good to discuss and learn with Kata - thats one of the best things i enjoy doing with my Sensei trying to to understand the how, what, when, where, & why
I typed up all of the movements of the first Incense Shop Boxing form in detail the best I could following the video, and then your video answered all of my questions! Thank you for your help. -Shaolin disciple & karateka
Yup Float, Sink, Swallow, and Spit.....all principals from Hakka martial arts sometimes known as Southern Style Kung Fu. I train in a Hakka art called I Liq Chuan and the idea of keeping the elbow mid range is that you dont want the elbow going behind the half line of your body or else you loose the structure in the arm that will help you maintain forward and spiraling power through the arm from the center of the body. Its easier to feel when doing things like two person grinding arm excercies so you can feel the pressure
Jesse I just saw your trip to China and was inspiring! You are doing a super important work here on passing down knowledge and keeping traditions alive. I would love to see the other 3 katas, you should definitely go back! Thank you for making us leave this dream trip!
Would love to see a Part 2 to this video demonstrating the last part of the Chinese version that had the more complex movements missing in the Okinawan version?
I love this! I've been practicing traditional Northern Shaolin for 14 years now and I love history and Okinawan Karate, specially the connection with White Crane which I know a little bit. I hope to find an Okinawan Karate school where I live to practice some day! Thank you for sharing what you know and all the best to you!
As far as I know it is always punch and either block, parry, or redirect together. Or create a strike from a block or parry or redirect. There are so many variables from slightly striking before or aft it is easier to keep at the same time.
I have learned a lot in your videos. All are in depth- i think you should have your PhD. The WuDang Baguazhang has only one kata. It took me 3 years. Its no use in practicing it, even my sifu couldn't be close to perfect. But back in 1973, I saw tis kata performed by an Is shin Ryu expert. The hip power, is tremendous and the stability is awesome. Someone tried to wrestle him but , the Is shin ryu guy just face the wrestler side ways. the wrestler attacked- double palm strikes . The wrestler goes: " you're not suppose to hit". Very educational and cerebral.
Tucking the tailbone is also important for many Chinese martial arts. While I was practicing Tai Chi (both Wu- and Yang-style) I noticed how important it is and how much it changes the "kata". Great work on this video as always!
I like about your video talking about karate and gung fu in the same respect, differences aside and going back to the roots. No crap about which style is the best style; All came from the same principles.
I love the way you bring so much information to your videos. It's amazing how a kata can have so many variations. I was taught shoto-kan katas by an ex special ops instructor. He followed the Book by Shojiro Sugiyama.I always look forward to your videos.
Wow i practice american kenpo in Chile, the katas are very different but i recognize the moves. I think all is the same universal language. You did a great work of research. Godbless you
Hello Jesse! My name is Fernando Ingles I’m from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I’m a professional musician and currently I’m also a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner and instructor. Although due to the pandemic all activities at the academy have stopped, while things were ‘normal’ I taught Jiu-jitsu for kids ages 3-15 and also helped with adult beginners. The first thing I want to say is to extend an invitation for you and your brother to come down to Rio to spend some time here, I think you’ll like it a lot and I’m certain you will be very welcomed by us all. Another is that earlier in my life, before I went to live in the US for my University years, I practiced Capoeira. I absolutely loooove it and as soon as I’m able to heal properly from my recent knee surgery I’ll also start Capoeira back again. But what I want to say most of all about Capoeira is that the professor that taught me (Master Di Mola) has been residing in Sweden for quite a few years now, in Norrkoping. He is one of the best Capoeiristas (Capoeira practitioners) ever, a true master! I think it would be really wonderful to see you interact with him and exchange knowledge with someone from such a different art-form. I’m a recent subscriber of your channel and I’m enjoying it tremendously!! Congrats on all your success it is clearly earned and well-deserved! Oss!
Damn Jesse, I really freaking love these kinds of videos of yours!!! I come from Taekwondo, but recognise so many moves / techniques and since all martial arts are related it makes sense and I love it 💪 I'm not sure, if you are allowed to film the full kata and upload it, but I would really love to see you perform the oldest Kata in full length 🥋🔥😇🔥🥋
Shorei-Ryu Karateke here! In our style we call this kata Sanchin and we perform 80-90% of the kata in tension. Our stance is a more narrow version of his original and we call it Sanchin Dachi (Hourglass Stance). I call it Tommy Pickles Leg Syndrome, but I digress haha. Our entire second portion of the kata is vastly different than the Seisan performed here, but I'd know those opening 3 moves anywhere
Seisan! 😮😄 I learned it as a kid, awesome! If I remember correctly we learned it as the first actual kata at yellow belt, with the understanding that it was one of the most important, and that we learned it early so that after years when we got advanced we’d be able to do it correctly. EDIT: just watched a video of the Isshin Ryu version; it’s been close to 30 years but I remembered about 2/3 Ed’s of it, maybe I should get back into karate!
Never let karate go completely. Even if you just move thru stance and punch. Pick 1 or 2 katas. Sounded like you let your karate go. It's not about fighting. There's so much more to it as I think you know.
@@KARATEbyJesse sensei, this is kata so beautiful!! and graceful!! (and towards the end of the video, the master started to speak Fuchow hahahaha) appreciate you went all the way to China to get all of us this valuable piece of information (and during Covid outbreak!!) appreciates
I don't practice karate ( I practice aikido) but your enthusiasm and passion literally mesmerize me and show me the complexity ( I never doubt about) of this martial art. Thanks
I did Seisan when I was a teenager in my dojo (Shito-Ryu style), but I had forgotten it completely (I quited karate when my sensei retired at the end of the 90's due to health problems, and I never found the same connection with the one that replaced him.) I remember how good it was, the paces, the way the arms moved according to the breathe...Probably my favorite Kata. It kinds of makes me want to go back in a dojo and do karate once again, though I'm in my late 30's now!
the best age to learn martial arts. you don't have to prove nothing with fighting because you are older. you will not be in this all ufc is the best mindset. you can start any karate style and ad shito ryu in it. you can learn seisan from various karate styles and chinese styles and make it your speciality kata. you will have a new hobby,new friends,better health mental and physical and you will be more active then others that are watching tv and drinking beers. most of all whatever style of karate you are doing you can ad some other techniques from other styles or better those from your style thanks to those new training partners. a lot of them knows a few karate styles. have fun and make karate your own. so one day you could tell to yourself i did something and learn something. take a lot of training notes and photos in the training scrapbook. it's fun to remember all the persons through the techniques they have shown you. and if you take a few seminars even better.
@@alext6902 I'l think about it. September is coming near and it's the season for the inscriptions in the sport clubs for the year to come. Maybe I'll go back for Karate this time!
Good to see where it came from, I got my Dan grade when I was 60 three years ago, in our association Seishan is used to grade to 3rd Dan. It is very intricate and is a challenge to get right !
I don’t feel qualified, it’s so difficult! 😫 The same goes for the other original Kung-Fu kata I learned in China... It really makes sense why the Okinawans simplified the forms 👍
In my school of Shorinji ryu, we practice this kata also. We focus on the Okinawa/Chinese connection a lot, as our system is from Okinawa as opposed to Japan. We're pretty old school. So much so, that I've only ever encountered one other school of our system, which is where my instructor learned from. Nobody ever even knows about our system really. So it's pretty awesome to see what we practice being validated here. Never change Jesse san! Oss!
Yo también practico shorinji ryu, pero mi estilo es del derivado yushimon, y ya eh aprendido seisan Postdata: el dojo en flash que entreno queda en República Dominicana
He explains it in his China Trip videos. It's called Incense Shop Boxing. Jesse first visited a White Crane master but it felt not close enough. Then he had a disappointing experience at the Southern Shaolin site. They were wandering about until they bumped into two student with whom they exchanged ideas, to then be kicked out by staff; off that received some intel that one of the 'original' styles is now known as Incense Shop. The story is that when the fighting monks got kicked out by the CCP, some of them regrouped and secretly practised behind an Incense Shop. That guy is one of the few left that still knows about the style. Given the circumstances over the years, it was difficult to gather a large enough group of students to keep the style alive. They might but but I think this footage will become a historic document for future karate history researchers! (By the way, there were a few other encounters with different Southern style practitioners but they seemed tangential to the main thrust of the story. Don't skip them, though! The form applications they show are real eye-openers. Lots of trapping going on that is not evident from the form moves, moves that have a lot in common with moves in katas.)
I'm 35 years old and always wanted to start karate .. watching your videos was the push i needed to overcome the shame and signed for shorin ryu . Thanks Jesse ... Keep up the good work. Big hug from an argentinian.
If you didnt have the confidence to start karate you won't have the confidence to fight. If you wern't fighting from a young age the only guys at 35 who are still throwing hands are guys who now have over 20 years of experience on you. My suggestion would be practice strikes to the throat with 90% speed and 10% power and kicks to the knees with 80% speed and 20% power. After that you're looking at elbowing the bridge of their nose, punches to their sternum and jabbing their eyes with your fingers followed by head stomping. Also look at the size of this karate guy's hands. They're big and he's a solid guy. Karate is basically complimentary. He' also looks like the type who's got that switch and if it flips forget Kata's he strangling you to death. FYI.
7:20 the move is almost identical to the way a lot of goju ryu practioners perform their osai-uke, particularly those who've trained under the jundokan such as myself. A prime example would be before the last punch in saifa kata or after the sets renzoku punches in sesan
There is no diggin with Jesse. He just gives you the gold right away, but its so much knowledge way to heavy to carry right away... so you always get remembered there is always more room to grow and learn...learning and preserving what was and what will be...thank u for sharing and for your amazing work 🙏
Wow. You are a great Sensei. Even showing the Bunki Thank you for the history lesson. I have not been in a Dojo in over ten years. You have made me want to return. Arigatou gozaimasu
This is getting very interesting! For military practice I expect to see more arm breaks in martial arts. We see them in the European manuscripts. Even though we haven't kept up on that as being a continuous art we have The manuals of fiore, tollhoffer, and others that demonstrate the necessity of grappling with swordplay. What is often referred to as winden und binden ( winding and binding) which is this sort of circular motion has during contact with your enemy in order to change your position to gain mechanical advantage. Fiore in his manual promotes his techniques with the idea of how often he's broken people's arms. But you'll see no groundwork at all in the manual. all of these holds and breaks are done from standing positions. A single arm wrap followed by a strike very similar to what we're seeing here. He goes to show the universality of combat arms and the military practice of martial arts. It's roots in military practice rather than self-defense.
dude, your sentence is somewhat confusing: Winden und Binden has very little to do with ringen and arm breaks. That is not to say that winding and binding is not important, or is not the art of getting a mechanical advantage; nor is it to say that Wrestling is not important in Swordplay, because especcially arm entrapments and jolting "breaks" are really important. ( I have some vid's on my channel highlighting wrestling, especially arm wrestling techniques) It's just to say that your sentence makes it look as if these two concepts were intertwined, which they are only peripherally.
On your thumb pic for the video, there is the late Funakoshi sensei doing the kata. When I learned this kata from the JKA back in the 1970's, some called it a one finger knife hand. Only much later did I learn it was one of the many subtle Chinese techniques that did not get weeded out. It is a tiger claw grasp using the thumb, middle, ring, and pinky to grasp tightly in a grappling situation. Works great on the neck/collar bone areas. Also, this kata is the only one of Funakoshi's 15 kata where the knees join and then go forward into a wider stance again. The other kata had narrow stance where one just stepped forward. The Japanese changed all the movement to this in-out format later. Possibly after WW 2. Check out the book , "Karate-jutsu" for picture proof.
That old man swings his arms in the strangest way. It's like they're abnormally flexible or something. He looks like he's trying to snap his arms like whips.
It would be exactly that. That loose whipping force is common in many Kung Fu systems. Water flowing around a solid object and then crashing. The Iron Ball and Chain instead of an Iron Bar as Bruce Lee described it.
To see more whipping forms, you can look up another Chinese kungfu style called Piguaquan/Piguazhang (or "Pi Kua Chuan/Chang" 劈挂拳、劈挂掌、披挂拳) which, in the variant names, literally translates to "Chopping/Cleaving/Unrolling" + "Hanging" + "Fist/Palm". The older (and my preferred) 披 name primarily describes the action of unrolling something (e.g. a carpet) or throwing on something (e.g. a covering) but can also mean to scatter/spread apart (typically solid, non-granulated) objects or used in context of opening something. The younger and current 劈 name is much more aggressive and means chopping/cleaving/hacking as with an axe. Interestingly, the Chinese characters reflect this ideological change from a "hand" radical to a "blade/knife" radical.
Little info bit. The pressing block in the mawashi geri IS taught in certain branches of Goju after the kata has been done for a while, It is typically not done in public however.
Hi Jesse, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your videos. I’ve practiced a variety of arts in the past 30 some odd years, isshinryu, shotokan, northern preying mantis, wing chun, under qualified instructors, and a few others as a result of a curiosity to just compare different styles. It is so fantastic what you’ve done in finding the source of it all, not to mention the father of “ The oldest known Kata”! WOW! Tremedous!
![Stromae, Pomme - “Ma Meilleure Ennemie” (from Arcane Season 2) [Official Visualizer]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1F3OGIFnW1k/mqdefault.jpg)
What do you wanna learn? 👊
maybe street fight tactic and stratigy
How to be a better version of myself.
Karate foot sweep into punch on the ground for street fighting
Morote Koken Uke bunkai?
I would really like you to speak about the "Atifa" in Okinawan karate, what is called "fah jing" in chinese martial arts. Thank you
Apart from what everyone has already mentioned, I really love how the Chinese teacher is so eager to pass on his knowledge. Without people like him, so many of us would be left in the dark. It's also thanks to you Jesse for going and bringing that knowledge out to us.
It looked like he really liked having you. I hope you are able to go back and train more with him.
I had great experiences since 1990 training in Taiwan, HK, China, even Philippines...most masters are eager to share...
It was beautiful to watch him move so effortlessly.
it's sad that Master Lin might be one of the last. I hope that videoing him will save things for posterity. I hope Jesse has more time to visit him, learn more and collect more footage!
I liked how he spoke high Chinese in the beginning of explaining the Kata but later on changed into his lokal dialect because he's like f** it, the foreigner doesn't understand anything anyways, I might as well talk comfortably then 😂
@@myeramimclerie7869 Had no idea. That's funny!
The passion you express while explaining is so contagious that I feel it through the bones. Cool video as always, thanks for sharing it.
Awesome! Just doing what I love 😄
What is the original name of seisan they use in China ?
I'm so happy that this version is being preserved - It would be great for him to go through all of his Kata with 4 cameras around him, just so people can reference back to it at a later date.
Thank-you very much for posting this!
100% agree
What's the name of the form in chinese?
Up
@@mrhecto7147 Sumfin-nu
Sensei Jesse, you are doing the world a great service by archiving this knowledge in video form. Please keep it up!
We do Seisan! We’re Kempo though, so a bit newer than most styles.. but still! How cool
Old is gold 🌮🌮🌮
Hello
Yeah my Kempo teacher said the roots of our system go back to the meiji era but everything traceable is only to like the 40's when it got blended with Karate in Taiwan. A lot of Kempo seems to have Karate links.
.. loved the video, was wondering if you show the complete original Chinese form ?
Do you think that Seisan maybe the seed that Karate grew from and can it be used to find when and where and between who this art started?
I live in Hawaii. I am Uchinanchu, but was born and raised here. I am proud of my "Okinawan" heritage. I have learned Karate in my youth. I transitioned to Chinese martial arts, soon after learning of the connection with China. Your videos have taught me not only about martial arts, but also culture...my own in particular. I thank you for your videos and the in depth research that must have gone into it. Your an awesome practitioner and seem to be an even more awesome man. Thanks again for your videos and please keep 'em coming my friend. Mahalo!! (Thank you in Hawaiian)
This is honestly one of your best videos. A funny thing I noticed is that the instructor speaks to you in Mandarin and his students local dialect. Because, you know, Mandarin is what you'll understand. I love how animated and excited he is telling you about the form. The passion shows through
Thanks for you, bring back the old martial arts information, useful for me in training.
American Kenpo, Ed Parkers modified Chinese Kenpo came from Japan to Hawaii, then he brought it to the mainland US. It has all the elements, movements and sequences, but becoming more involved and spread among other things throughout the kata's. Such as double factor blocking, using a fluid quick parry or block just before the primary blocks for more options.. Nice seeing the knowledge is there. Thanks!
I like that you framed this as both a demonstration and a disussion - good to discuss and learn with Kata - thats one of the best things i enjoy doing with my Sensei trying to to understand the how, what, when, where, & why
A teaching video of the original seisan would be fabulous. I'd love to learn it. Be great to be part of keeping it alive.
I typed up all of the movements of the first Incense Shop Boxing form in detail the best I could following the video, and then your video answered all of my questions! Thank you for your help. -Shaolin disciple & karateka
Yup Float, Sink, Swallow, and Spit.....all principals from Hakka martial arts sometimes known as Southern Style Kung Fu. I train in a Hakka art called I Liq Chuan and the idea of keeping the elbow mid range is that you dont want the elbow going behind the half line of your body or else you loose the structure in the arm that will help you maintain forward and spiraling power through the arm from the center of the body. Its easier to feel when doing things like two person grinding arm excercies so you can feel the pressure
Jesse I just saw your trip to China and was inspiring! You are doing a super important work here on passing down knowledge and keeping traditions alive. I would love to see the other 3 katas, you should definitely go back! Thank you for making us leave this dream trip!
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for sharing your research Jesse. Without you we wouldn't have access to this knowledge.
Would love to see a Part 2 to this video demonstrating the last part of the Chinese version that had the more complex movements missing in the Okinawan version?
Same
Me too, but seems it sadly won't happen.
My thougts exactly!
@@danieldubaj4776 :(
So cool , it’s rekindling my roots of the style I was taught. 👍🏾🙏🏾
I love this! I've been practicing traditional Northern Shaolin for 14 years now and I love history and Okinawan Karate, specially the connection with White Crane which I know a little bit. I hope to find an Okinawan Karate school where I live to practice some day!
Thank you for sharing what you know and all the best to you!
Yes, I do shotokan. It’s mostly old because it was the first karate style, well the first karate style people wanted to teach \ show the world.
As far as I know it is always punch and either block, parry, or redirect together. Or create a strike from a block or parry or redirect. There are so many variables from slightly striking before or aft it is easier to keep at the same time.
I love this kind of videos where Jesse explores ancient roots of Karate.You are great presenter.Thank you.
I have learned a lot in your videos. All are in depth- i think you should have your PhD. The WuDang Baguazhang has only one kata. It took me 3 years. Its no use in practicing it, even my sifu couldn't be close to perfect. But back in 1973, I saw tis kata performed by an Is shin Ryu expert. The hip power, is tremendous and the stability is awesome. Someone tried to wrestle him but , the Is shin ryu guy just face the wrestler side ways. the wrestler attacked- double palm strikes . The wrestler goes: " you're not suppose to hit". Very educational and cerebral.
Tucking the tailbone is also important for many Chinese martial arts. While I was practicing Tai Chi (both Wu- and Yang-style) I noticed how important it is and how much it changes the "kata". Great work on this video as always!
I like about your video talking about karate and gung fu in the same respect, differences aside and going back to the roots.
No crap about which style is the best style; All came from the same principles.
I love the way you bring so much information to your videos. It's amazing how a kata can have so many variations. I was taught shoto-kan katas by an ex special ops instructor. He followed the Book by Shojiro Sugiyama.I always look forward to your videos.
Wow i practice american kenpo in Chile, the katas are very different but i recognize the moves. I think all is the same universal language. You did a great work of research. Godbless you
if it's possible, perhaps jesse can work with naka sensei in kuro-obi world? cheers
I knew the version taught in karate, now I'm gonna learn the full Chinese version! Ty Jessie, excellent
Outstanding work here Jesse. Thanks for passing along this knowledge to help us understand, not only application, but history. Thank you.
Hello Jesse!
My name is Fernando Ingles I’m from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
I’m a professional musician and currently I’m also a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner and instructor.
Although due to the pandemic all activities at the academy have stopped, while things were ‘normal’ I taught Jiu-jitsu for kids ages 3-15 and also helped with adult beginners.
The first thing I want to say is to extend an invitation for you and your brother to come down to Rio to spend some time here, I think you’ll like it a lot and I’m certain you will be very welcomed by us all.
Another is that earlier in my life, before I went to live in the US for my University years, I practiced Capoeira.
I absolutely loooove it and as soon as I’m able to heal properly from my recent knee surgery I’ll also start Capoeira back again.
But what I want to say most of all about Capoeira is that the professor that taught me (Master Di Mola) has been residing in Sweden for quite a few years now, in Norrkoping.
He is one of the best Capoeiristas (Capoeira practitioners) ever, a true master!
I think it would be really wonderful to see you interact with him and exchange knowledge with someone from such a different art-form.
I’m a recent subscriber of your channel and I’m enjoying it tremendously!!
Congrats on all your success it is clearly earned and well-deserved!
Oss!
Missed your vids mate, great to see you back
Never left! 😄
I would call your second point "splitting energy". Very cool to see this!
Damn Jesse, I really freaking love these kinds of videos of yours!!!
I come from Taekwondo, but recognise so many moves / techniques and since all martial arts are related it makes sense and I love it 💪
I'm not sure, if you are allowed to film the full kata and upload it, but I would really love to see you perform the oldest Kata in full length 🥋🔥😇🔥🥋
Thank you! Hopefully I’ll be able to perform it. It’s harder than it looks!
Shorei-Ryu Karateke here! In our style we call this kata Sanchin and we perform 80-90% of the kata in tension. Our stance is a more narrow version of his original and we call it Sanchin Dachi (Hourglass Stance). I call it Tommy Pickles Leg Syndrome, but I digress haha. Our entire second portion of the kata is vastly different than the Seisan performed here, but I'd know those opening 3 moves anywhere
It's amazing. What you show at 10:30 can be found in a lot of our traditional Pencak Silat styles here in Indonesia. Great video!
What a great video and history lesson. Thank you
Seisan! 😮😄
I learned it as a kid, awesome!
If I remember correctly we learned it as the first actual kata at yellow belt, with the understanding that it was one of the most important, and that we learned it early so that after years when we got advanced we’d be able to do it correctly.
EDIT: just watched a video of the Isshin Ryu version; it’s been close to 30 years but I remembered about 2/3 Ed’s of it, maybe I should get back into karate!
Never let karate go completely. Even if you just move thru stance and punch. Pick 1 or 2 katas. Sounded like you let your karate go. It's not about fighting. There's so much more to it as I think you know.
Back to the roots! Thanks Jesse!
Yay!! the full Intro Theme song is back
Haha glad you like it! 🙏
@@KARATEbyJesse sensei, this is kata so beautiful!! and graceful!!
(and towards the end of the video, the master started to speak Fuchow hahahaha)
appreciate you went all the way to China to get all of us this valuable piece of information (and during Covid outbreak!!)
appreciates
awesome. unfortunately i quitted at orange belt, but still i love Karate. this video explains a lot of Karate inner meaning
I don't practice karate ( I practice aikido) but your enthusiasm and passion literally mesmerize me and show me the complexity ( I never doubt about) of this martial art. Thanks
Domo arigato! 🙏
Thank You Sensei Enkamp.
Thanks for subtitles in spanish!
Thanks for video.
Oss Sensei!
Wow Jesse , you’re inspiring me to get back into karate.
Excellent, your enthusiasm is very inspiring.
I did Seisan when I was a teenager in my dojo (Shito-Ryu style), but I had forgotten it completely (I quited karate when my sensei retired at the end of the 90's due to health problems, and I never found the same connection with the one that replaced him.)
I remember how good it was, the paces, the way the arms moved according to the breathe...Probably my favorite Kata. It kinds of makes me want to go back in a dojo and do karate once again, though I'm in my late 30's now!
the best age to learn martial arts. you don't have to prove nothing with fighting because you are older. you will not be in this all ufc is the best mindset. you can start any karate style and ad shito ryu in it. you can learn seisan from various karate styles and chinese styles and make it your speciality kata. you will have a new hobby,new friends,better health mental and physical and you will be more active then others that are watching tv and drinking beers. most of all whatever style of karate you are doing you can ad some other techniques from other styles or better those from your style thanks to those new training partners. a lot of them knows a few karate styles. have fun and make karate your own. so one day you could tell to yourself i did something and learn something. take a lot of training notes and photos in the training scrapbook. it's fun to remember all the persons through the techniques they have shown you. and if you take a few seminars even better.
@@alext6902 I'l think about it.
September is coming near and it's the season for the inscriptions in the sport clubs for the year to come.
Maybe I'll go back for Karate this time!
@@MoreAwsomeMetal don't think.just do it. the more you think the less you do. just show and train. and keep a note book.
Thanks for Bringing these knowledges in front. Your knowledge is incomparable. One day I would like to meet you in person to learn more!!
Deep bow! 🙏
Good to see where it came from, I got my Dan grade when I was 60 three years ago, in our association Seishan is used to grade to 3rd Dan. It is very intricate and is a challenge to get right !
Thank you for sharing. Of everything you have shown in your videos this kata is the one thing I most want to learn.
Loved it! Always great to learn how to do a new kata and what the moves mean. Thank you!
I'm a huge fan of this sensei. Jesse Enkamp. Osss 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Are you gonna perform for us at one point the entire kata ? Great work K-nerd! 🔥
I don’t feel qualified, it’s so difficult! 😫 The same goes for the other original Kung-Fu kata I learned in China... It really makes sense why the Okinawans simplified the forms 👍
@@KARATEbyJesse I don't blame you man. Nobody with bit of intelligence would judge you for trying but the Net is the Net! Take care
@@paulr.8365 AppreCiate, yoUr *hint* (☸️🔐).,
Believe it was too ☯️ *subtle* tho. 🤷🏻♂️🙏
Thank you for your deeply explanation Jesse👍👍👍👍 great Job
finally!!!!
hope you eventually go back to china and learn some more Incense Shop Boxing!
I have practiced this kata and san chin katas because one of my senseis in aikido was teaching them too when I was younger.
In my school of Shorinji ryu, we practice this kata also. We focus on the Okinawa/Chinese connection a lot, as our system is from Okinawa as opposed to Japan. We're pretty old school. So much so, that I've only ever encountered one other school of our system, which is where my instructor learned from. Nobody ever even knows about our system really. So it's pretty awesome to see what we practice being validated here. Never change Jesse san! Oss!
Yo también practico shorinji ryu, pero mi estilo es del derivado yushimon, y ya eh aprendido seisan
Postdata: el dojo en flash que entreno queda en República Dominicana
En el que entreno*
Incredible!!! Congratulations on your work and thanks for sharing with us. Oss !!!
This is a brilliant comparison Jesse. Thank you for that!
Very nice video Jesse Enkamp, your videos are very good and highly informative....
Loved this video. I love how sensei explains the history. He makes history interesting 😊
Thank you Sensei for this Kata, this is spiritual.
Oldest version looks like southern kung fu. For sure it comes from the shaolin.
Yea Karate is based off Shaolin.
Im teaching wing chun kung fu, and lots of the movement in there are in our style.
I think karate was based off of kungfu
Shaolin was a martial arts hub. Not necessarily a place of invention. A lot of the Shaolin forms you learn used to be complete styles.
He explains it in his China Trip videos. It's called Incense Shop Boxing. Jesse first visited a White Crane master but it felt not close enough. Then he had a disappointing experience at the Southern Shaolin site.
They were wandering about until they bumped into two student with whom they exchanged ideas, to then be kicked out by staff; off that received some intel that one of the 'original' styles is now known as Incense Shop. The story is that when the fighting monks got kicked out by the CCP, some of them regrouped and secretly practised behind an Incense Shop.
That guy is one of the few left that still knows about the style. Given the circumstances over the years, it was difficult to gather a large enough group of students to keep the style alive. They might but but I think this footage will become a historic document for future karate history researchers!
(By the way, there were a few other encounters with different Southern style practitioners but they seemed tangential to the main thrust of the story. Don't skip them, though! The form applications they show are real eye-openers. Lots of trapping going on that is not evident from the form moves, moves that have a lot in common with moves in katas.)
I'm 35 years old and always wanted to start karate .. watching your videos was the push i needed to overcome the shame and signed for shorin ryu .
Thanks Jesse ... Keep up the good work.
Big hug from an argentinian.
If you didnt have the confidence to start karate you won't have the confidence to fight. If you wern't fighting from a young age the only guys at 35 who are still throwing hands are guys who now have over 20 years of experience on you. My suggestion would be practice strikes to the throat with 90% speed and 10% power and kicks to the knees with 80% speed and 20% power. After that you're looking at elbowing the bridge of their nose, punches to their sternum and jabbing their eyes with your fingers followed by head stomping. Also look at the size of this karate guy's hands. They're big and he's a solid guy. Karate is basically complimentary. He' also looks like the type who's got that switch and if it flips forget Kata's he strangling you to death. FYI.
Thank you Senseii! Love your work
Much appreciated!
Make his knuckles bleed!
YES, SENSEI!
This was informative & Badass simultaneously
7:20 the move is almost identical to the way a lot of goju ryu practioners perform their osai-uke, particularly those who've trained under the jundokan such as myself. A prime example would be before the last punch in saifa kata or after the sets renzoku punches in sesan
How long since you have trained at the Jundokan? I'm planning on going asap
Forms are not easily corrupted over the years. Thank you.
Beautifully explained and executed.
Thank you! 🙏
Traditional kungfu is very complex. Many detail movement..
As usual ..... Brilliant! Thx Jesse Sensei! Who would have thought?!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
EXCELLENT WORK!!!
Very cool but this also show that Karate Masters were really modernizing Kung Fu. Could you show the complete today's Seisan bunkai?
There is no diggin with Jesse. He just gives you the gold right away, but its so much knowledge way to heavy to carry right away... so you always get remembered there is always more room to grow and learn...learning and preserving what was and what will be...thank u for sharing and for your amazing work 🙏
Wow, it's cool to see how similar the moves I learned in Isshin Ryu are to the originals.
I did isshin ryu too! What is you lineage
I’m under Nagle/Lizotte. I think it’s interesting seeing how we still do the semi block like traditional Kung Fu.
Phantastic video! Thanks Jesse
6:06 "You kind of connect your glutes to your abs and you get this super strong posture"
*I Have no Abs* ಥ_ಥ
Wow; very interesting for all styles. Awesome video.
A lot of Hangetsu in my training recently. A personal favourite. Lovely to see the Chinese version. Osu.
I don't even practice any martial arts but I love your enthusiasm so much! I love hearing you explain the history behind different movements.
Wow. You are a great Sensei.
Even showing the Bunki
Thank you for the history lesson. I have not been in a Dojo in over ten years. You have made me want to return.
Arigatou gozaimasu
awsome! a real karate polymath!!! I loved your research!!!
This is getting very interesting! For military practice I expect to see more arm breaks in martial arts. We see them in the European manuscripts. Even though we haven't kept up on that as being a continuous art we have The manuals of fiore, tollhoffer, and others that demonstrate the necessity of grappling with swordplay. What is often referred to as winden und binden ( winding and binding) which is this sort of circular motion has during contact with your enemy in order to change your position to gain mechanical advantage.
Fiore in his manual promotes his techniques with the idea of how often he's broken people's arms. But you'll see no groundwork at all in the manual. all of these holds and breaks are done from standing positions. A single arm wrap followed by a strike very similar to what we're seeing here. He goes to show the universality of combat arms and the military practice of martial arts. It's roots in military practice rather than self-defense.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing 😄👍
@@JosephKerr27 I'm not familiar with Matt but would be interested in additional standing breaks
Cool, you in EU now?
Michael Pierce He is referring to Matt Easton, a Historical European Martial Arts instructor from Britain. “ context” is one of his key catch phrases.
dude, your sentence is somewhat confusing:
Winden und Binden has very little to do with ringen and arm breaks.
That is not to say that winding and binding is not important, or is not the art of getting a mechanical advantage;
nor is it to say that Wrestling is not important in Swordplay, because especcially arm entrapments and jolting "breaks" are really important. ( I have some vid's on my channel highlighting wrestling, especially arm wrestling techniques)
It's just to say that your sentence makes it look as if these two concepts were intertwined, which they are only peripherally.
All i want to say is Mr Jesse Your Karate RUclips channel is one of the best .
Yamagushi taught Front heel in line with the back toe in sanchin stance.
On your thumb pic for the video, there is the late Funakoshi sensei doing the kata. When I learned this kata from the
JKA back in the 1970's, some called it a one finger knife hand. Only much later did I learn it was one of the many
subtle Chinese techniques that did not get weeded out. It is a tiger claw grasp using the thumb, middle, ring, and
pinky to grasp tightly in a grappling situation. Works great on the neck/collar bone areas.
Also, this kata is the only one of Funakoshi's 15 kata where the knees join and then go forward into a wider stance
again. The other kata had narrow stance where one just stepped forward. The Japanese changed all the movement to
this in-out format later. Possibly after WW 2. Check out the book , "Karate-jutsu" for picture proof.
Looks like Wing Chun, White Crane and Hung Kuen forms, perhaps there's missing link?
You should check out my webseries ”Karate Nerd in China” ruclips.net/p/PLnepTzrhzuB-6k93Klo0L5GDwiMym3Y9a
It's five ancestors 五祖拳
Thank you for sharing Jesse, very intresting to note!
Cool. I would have thought 4 directional punching would be the oldest kata because of its simplicity?
That’s not really a ”kata”
Congratulations from Curitiba/ Brasil.
I really thought the Chinese master demonstrated Karate. Wow.
well done video, good 14 min well spent, thanks for the info!
That old man swings his arms in the strangest way.
It's like they're abnormally flexible or something. He looks like he's trying to snap his arms like whips.
It would be exactly that. That loose whipping force is common in many Kung Fu systems. Water flowing around a solid object and then crashing. The Iron Ball and Chain instead of an Iron Bar as Bruce Lee described it.
To see more whipping forms, you can look up another Chinese kungfu style called Piguaquan/Piguazhang (or "Pi Kua Chuan/Chang" 劈挂拳、劈挂掌、披挂拳) which, in the variant names, literally translates to "Chopping/Cleaving/Unrolling" + "Hanging" + "Fist/Palm".
The older (and my preferred) 披 name primarily describes the action of unrolling something (e.g. a carpet) or throwing on something (e.g. a covering) but can also mean to scatter/spread apart (typically solid, non-granulated) objects or used in context of opening something.
The younger and current 劈 name is much more aggressive and means chopping/cleaving/hacking as with an axe. Interestingly, the Chinese characters reflect this ideological change from a "hand" radical to a "blade/knife" radical.
@@bladesxf hey thanks for the suggestion
Really informative and interesting video!
That's amazing
Thank you 👊
Little info bit. The pressing block in the mawashi geri IS taught in certain branches of Goju after the kata has been done for a while, It is typically not done in public however.
All Japanese martial arts
Aikido (合気道/合氣道)
Araki-ryū (荒木流)
Bajutsu (馬術)
Battōjutsu (抜刀術)
Bōjutsu (棒術)
Bujinkan (武神館)
Chitō-ryū (千唐流)
Daitō-ryū aiki-jūjutsu (大東流合気柔術)
Genseiryū (玄制流)
Gōjū-ryū (剛柔流)
Hakkō-ryū (八光流)
Hojōjutsu (捕縄術)
Hōjutsu (砲術)
Iaido (居合道、居合術 Iaijutsu)
Isshin-ryu
Jōdō (杖道)
Japanese kickboxing
Judo (柔道)
Jūkendō (銃剣道)
Jujutsu (柔術、Jiujitsu, Jujitsu)
Juttejutsu (十手術)
Karate (空手)
Kendo (剣道)
Kenjutsu (剣術)
Kenpo (拳法)
Kosho Shorei Ryū KempoKūdō (空道)
Kusarigamajutsu (鎖鎌術:くさりがまじゅつ)
Kyūdō (弓道)
Kyūjutsu (弓術)
Naginatajutsu (薙刀術)
Maniwa Nen-ryū (馬庭念流)
Ninjutsu (忍術)
Nippon Kempo (日本拳法)
Okinawan kobudō (沖縄古武道)
SeishinkaiShindō jinen-ryū (神道自然流)
Shitō-ryū (糸東流)
Shoot Boxing
Shoot wrestling
Shootfighting
Shōrin-ryū (少林流)
Shōrinji Kempō (少林寺拳法)
Shorinji-Ryu
Shōtōkan-ryū (松濤館流)
Shūdōkan
Shūkōkai
Shurikenjutsu
Sōjutsu (槍術)
Sōsuishi-ryū (双水執流)
Suijutsu (水術)
Sumo (相撲)
Taido (躰道)
Taijutsu (体術)
Takeda Ryu Nakamura Ha
Takenouchi-ryū (竹内流)
Tantojutsu (短刀術)
Tegumi (手組)
Tenshin Shōden Katori Shintō-ryū (天真正伝香取神道流)
Tessenjutsu (鉄扇術)
Togakure-ryu
Toyama-ryū
Uechi-ryū (上地流)
Wado-ryū (和道流)
Yabusame (流鏑馬)
Yagyū Shingan-ryū (柳生心眼流)
Yoseikan Budo
Yoseikan-ryū (養正館流)
Taikiken?
That's not even close to being all.
Love the history and the explanations keep it up
Love from india
Hi Jesse, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your videos. I’ve practiced a variety of arts in the past 30 some odd years, isshinryu, shotokan, northern preying mantis, wing chun, under qualified instructors, and a few others as a result of a curiosity to just compare different styles. It is so fantastic what you’ve done in finding the source of it all, not to mention the father of “ The oldest known Kata”! WOW! Tremedous!
Imagine being early and having nothing to say...
Story of my life 🤪
Awesome video and thanks for sharing your tips. .