+ProZGaming No one was "commanding" it. This took place at the Army War College. The article is poorly done as it gives the impression this exercise meant anything. This is the equivalence of creating a fake tech company in some business college and then having a news reporter complain because it wasn't how Bill Gates would do it.
timmy D= Those will be well guarded by the loyalist troops. Cause no one will let anyone near the stockpile to begin with. And those are also to best trained and armed. So whateverland you will face stiff opposition and no quick solution. Basically drop the food aid and and send you absolute best special forces to capture and then blow up the place. You will have to be so fast they will not have time to react and/or delay them in stage 2.
+Paul Raver The US cant afford to take the risk. Those loyalist troops may find themselves thinking about selling a nuke or two after some anarchy time without income
Benito Camela US can not take the risk nor can it go into North Korea without heavy loses. And selling a nuke would be very hard, the only arms dealer who would besides terrorist arms dealers is dead.
+Phaire Couchpotato wow are u serious lol 400,000 troops would be close to the total amount of active troops in the military currently. The reserve doesnt count in the number they were talking about only active personel
+Mark Trobough According to Wikipedia, The U.S. military has 1.3 million active personal and 850 thousand reservist personal. So sending 1/3rd of the us military would be about 400,000... Make no mistake America could do it but that would be very expensive and would take a massive amount of logistics. But South Korea has over 600,000 troops too...
+Mark Trobough There's about 1.4 million active personal and 800k+ reservist. This story was bias and the scenario likely commanded by students rather than experienced military officers. The idea of sending troops in the middle of North Korea to get surrounded is a very clear sign they aren't very experienced. 90k troops is hardly even a field army and 56 days is rather quick (Germany took over Poland with 1.5 million troops in about 35 days in a two front invasion with the help of the Soviets) and I really doubt the troop numbers mentioned accounted for what would be our allies (South Korea, Japan, and other NATO nations) or if they were all U.S. troops. North Korea would be decimated and them saying 56 days with a total of only 90k troops was a failure is laughable. They overplay NK's potential and while it is a regional threat to stability it wouldn't stand a chance on the battlefield against any of it's neighbors or a US led coalition.
+Sonny Loop Their Emperor ordered the Rape of Nanking and countless other war crimes. We kept him and the other 4.7 percent of the population that were involved in the war crimes. Not to mention that we could have dropped another bomb to really finish them off. They owe us and the rest of the world a million.
Nato ahahahahah thet childs if nato so strong like u said all why are they attacki)g syria libia and others poor country and not china or russia and nk is not alon chine and russie and there aliens will help them so it will be ww3
TheodorEriksson If NATO doesn't invade, other countries will definetly help the US. Countries like the UK, and maybe France and Germany etc. Like in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East. Basically what I'm trying to say is, the US wouldn't be alone.
They severely over estimate the loyalty of the average North Korean citizen. They do the song and dance so they don't end up in a labor camp but if that regime was toppled they would all flee their terrible country within days. In fact, the single biggest problem in the scenario would be the South Korean refugee crisis. The population would nearly double in an extremely short period of time and there's absolutely no way any country could cope with that. Just look at what happened in Europe after a few million refugees poured into an area with a population over 340 million.
Let the South Koreans go in. They have 600,000 active personnel and around 2.5 million in reserves. A joint US-South Korea force would crush the North Koreans.
+crazycowz1234 Actually China has stated that if North Korea were to instigate a war, then the Chinese would not interfere. The Chinese are actually getting tired of North Korea
+crazycowz1234 feel free to look it up. North Korea has turned into a liability for China. it's relationship with China is even worse than their relationship with Russia
+crazycowz1234 feel free to look it up. North Korea has turned into a liability for China. it's relationship with China is even worse than their relationship with Russia
Iraq had the 5th largest armored military in the world and they barely lasted a few weeks during the first Gulf War. North Korea is using World War 2 era military assets and doesn't have the rations for their troops to handle a long conflict. People drastically overestimate their ability.
sammni The biggest difference is that Saddam wasn't terribly popular so the people were unwilling to fight extraordinarily. But the N Korean people probably would, up until they saw what the allies were offering.
I don't think North Koreans would fight that hard its hard to say but there could be mass surrenders like the Iraqi's did before the fighting even really began
I think it simple nutty to think that a small third world country would attack the biggest military and economic power in the world. One needs to be an extreme racist to ever think that those people would be so stupid.
PootStip hahaahah I like that "a pimple that need to be popped" LOL!!! Without an efficient economy, N Korea wont last long in warfare. The Americans and S Korea will simply cut their supply lines just like in the Korean War. And China is smart enough not to mess with USA, they are simply using NK to do their trash talking and hoping that the USA/SK would get provoked and attack NK (thus exhausting America's treasury and resources) then they will attack when America and its allies are weakened economically. I'm sure China and Russia are also funding the Taliban in order to keep exhausting America's resources. They know the USA has a powerful army based on a powerful economy. So they will exploit the economic side first. So my advice to America is to pick its allies and its battles wisely because Russia and China are just waiting for that moment.
My mistake it was not F18 but against an F16 that the F35 failed www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148585/Pentagon-say-reason-expensive-fighter-jet-F35-lost-dogfight-F16-40-years-ago-did-not-special-coat-stealth-paint.html
+Zhana27 Yes, your mistake. That article was June of last year and the test was an aerial dogfight, which are virtually non existent as far as modern jet combat in todays world. You don't even see your opponent before he blows you out of the sky. And thats good. The F-35 is a stealth fighter and its targeting systems trumps the F-16 in distance, precision, and accuracy. I can assure you, the F-35 had a rough beginning, but it is top of its class
before US military enter north korea , i suggest they ask the south korean for permission.. because once north korean border was breached, you can say good bye to seoul and all south korean cities near the border ...
Buntalan Lucu Their military is shit. They won't have planes, since they will be bombed. They won't have any tanks, because they will get destroyed with American/SK tanks. They won't have any Navy because they have shitty WW2 ships. They won't have any troops because they have no armor, and will get mowed down by aircraft. I think Seoul can handle itself.
Kurt Roundstone yes i believe south korean with the help of america will destroy the whole north korea in less than 1 day , and i believe china wont interfere , and i believe not a single shell from north korean thousands of artilery tubes station in DMZ will hit seoul.. i believe not a single south korean will be distrubed by the conflict.. and i believe in santa claus too..
***** dont forget the south korean brainwashing... their plastic surgery will help them win the war against their ugly north korean brethren.. it's like the north korean are the face of real korea and now the south korean tried hard to pretend they dont look the same as the north korean... thus the hilarious plastic surgery mania in south korea.. trying to erase their ugly look
Nie wieder Krieg mit Russland! yes , and the sad thing is the south korean are changing their looks because they hate their 'natural korean look' by plastic surgery in droves.. to be honest i find this disgusting , a people who cant stand their own naturally given look , exchange it into a fantasy.. north korean people have more dignity and honor compared to these materialistic south korean.. they may be poor and led by despot but their honor reign supreme over the south korean
+Buntalan Lucu yah, South Korea will bear the brunt of the conflict but North Korea is a threat to everyone, so if a country feels like their people are endangered than they will do what they have to. But that being said, unaccounted nuclear weapons would most likely be a above and beyond reason for the South to want to invade the north.
Vinh Nguyen please explain what land the United States has ever taken over. Since the United States became a nation it's still only has 50 states. There are countries like Puerto Rico Guam the United States Virgin Islands that are territories of the United States and have some United States laws but the land is not owned by the United States. They don't vote for our president and we don't vote for their but they do have to have a democracy. So all these countries we we took over like Afghanistan and Iraq even South Korea and Japan those are our countries now that's what I thought there their own independent country still as we don't take over countries we might go to war with countries or terrorist but we do not take their land or the resources as we're the ones losing out in money fighting as we don't even collect the oil from Iraq or Afghanistan we finished.
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Haha. My thoughts exactly. I love how people make such bold claims predicting the actions of nations and leaders (which they clearly don't understand) with such confidence. Amusing really.
If a North Korean Regime was toppled, there's a very high chance China would become involved but not as you'd expect. Most likely they would deal with a lot of refuges and open a wide range of diplomatic talks with the US/South Korea. They most likely would not engage simply because the US/South Korea would definitely deploy to pacify the region, and they do not want to go to war with the US. The US is particularly aggressive in foreign policy, as they want to maintain the status quo as the "dominant" world power, plus already have a large portion of the Military already stationed on the peninsula. The reason China would not need to go to war based on US/SK actions is because technically they would not be invading the sovereignty of North Korea, since the regime would already have been toppled. Not only would the US and China going to war be bad for the world militarily (Basically WWIII), but Chinese business exports would be crushed and the US economy destroyed which would devastate the world economy (China and the US have two of the largest economies in the world and if they are both knocked out by each other that would be catastrophic to the world economy). Additionally this economic instability would negatively effect the Chinese people, many of whom already live in poverty, and the Chinese government would not want that, as their popular opinion has slowly decreased since more and more people are hacking into the world internet.
Why should China go to war with the US when China is on the way to surpass the US? Like Chinese sages said: winning without a fight is the most honorable victory. Huge trade and MAD will keep US and China from going mad.
Well China doesn't want to go to war with the US which is what I said...the only reason I can see them doing so is if A) they were really willing to defend North Korea (which I doubt) or B) there are many border disputes between China and Japan/Korea which could result in conflict that the US would have to respond to
Theplaymaker1271 CNN are corrupt and put propaganda on, this is a global take over look up agenda 21 watch a video on you tube called dark secrets of boheimen grove ,then watch chuck missler videos peace brother spread the word God bless
if something like this WERE TO HAPPEN im pretty sure the JSDF would also be deployed to help keep areas secure so the US and SK could focus on the task at hand of getting the the nuclear sites
north korea has only 3 servicable airports. they cant build anymore due to mountainous terrain. So once these 3 airports are bombed, north korea has no chance of getting anything into the air. Also the north korean east and west navy is seperated whereas the south korean navy is joined. Dont forget 3 AEGIS destroyers of south korea (KDX-1-2-3) can handle the entire north korean navy. Just saying
+Mini Hamster The reason why this happened is because terrorist can blend in so well with civilians. if this wasn't the case the could non stop carpet bomb Afghanistan
Ace132 there are the odd defectors at times, alot are in fear of leaving, if they have a chance to escape I think a good chunk of its army will go south some still have family there...
I love how when non-military personnel talk shit on the military. It is like Trump saying he knows how the military works for spending 2 years in military school HAhahhha
Well, for Trump, it would be more than the alternative with 0 experience. Clinton has always failed and caused innocent people to be killed. We cannot keep having the stupid management.
Yes and military personel of your country now that North Korea isnt Iraq or Syria that way you dont attack becourse you now that will be hard long battle just was 1950.
I'm surprised that it would take that long to conquer North Korea. The US faced a similar conventional and unconventional threat during the invasion of Iraq, with Saddam Fedayeen units fighting without uniform. And then, it still only took 3 weeks to get to Baghdad.
+The Guy The terrain in iraq is more straight forward more flat, not to mention the allies have extensive knowledge where everything was, and even operated within it's borders prior to the second war. With NK it's different terrain, areas unfamilir so it poses greater challenges and risks as we know little of what tactics NK will use against ground troops.
World Of Thought just a thought when we went to war with Iraq the first time they were the fifth strongest military in the world dominating anybody in the Middle East and most European countries as well and right up there with China. We went in and made them look like fools and days. And that was without allies the first time but was with our first stealth Fighters 117 and B2 came after. And the second Iraq war when we hit total ground to get Saddam out with only took less than a hundred days to completely get through everything same thing with Afghanistan just sending in Delta Force by itself took out all the Maine militia and Afghanistan. But then the pentagons wanted to send some generals over and start bombing people and Afghan which made the war not really War but battles continue with insurgents as more and insurgents wanted to join because of the bombings
"Would have to send 3rd of their army." Lol are you serious, they don't even have helmets and kevlar, they have old ww2 weapons and they're short and weak as fuck. I'd say 90k ppl could take controle of it, fairly easily.
they have some modern stuff thanks to china and the black market, i heard they have a crap ton of artillery which would be aimed at seoul. they also fight until the death but US troops don't even want to be injured
James Tee North koreans have made sure to counter everything the US have, send helicopters they have shoulder guided anti air missiles. send anti tank jets, artillery are in a narrow valley with no room for a gun run. you don't need precision if your intended target is simply anything that stands in a large capital city.
That is if our 90k troops can survive their unconventional weapons (the bitch move), but i'm pretty sure that our airstrikes can easily take the majority out of the way. And plus, their anti air defense is really bad...
TheRabbitFear Wait... there's a helicopter that can fight jets???? And Anti tank jets? I feel like the purpose of these aircraft are flipped lol. I do believe that South Korea and USA are still at an advantage because our jets also have anti air, and our helicopter also have anti-tank. Anti helicopters are slow compared to jets, so the usa would have an easier time shooting them down. And jets can even take out other jets. And yes North Koreans can just fire all of their unconventional weapons to the capital, but i'm pretty sure that their defenses are more than enough to take most of them down.
The last time a scenario presented itself where a massive land invasion was an option, Harry Truman saw the casualty numbers and opted instead to bring his enemy to his knees in total surrender via nukes. In lieu of that option I think targeted smart bombs on all stockpile sites would be much better.
+Nick Gherz And the nuclear stockpiles are detonated? Keep in mind these are fucking civilian casualties we are talking about. That's right, people with dreams and lives just like you and me. And also, doing that would render the korean peninsula uninhabitable and lose all chance of uniting Korea into one nation again.
+Christopher Satterfield That's an unlikely place to nuke lol. CA and WA have much closer and better targets. I love the shit out of Civ 5 and the mod community though.
I don't understand either. So I went on to liberate China, didn't get nuked. Then I decided to end Putin, he nuked Shanghai. Really don't understand the AI.
0:16 "To make sure they dont fall into the wrong hands". Right, because nukes in america's hand is good. Wasn't US the only country to have ever used nukes on another country?
wtf? Why would you automatically exclude south korea? South korea could probably beat the north koreans if the south korean special forces secured the nuclear sites. 1. 650,000 front line active personnel & 3,000,000 reserve personnel. 2. Producing on mass the K-2 Black Panther the most expensive and advanced tank in the world. 3. Producing on mass the 4th generation K-11 assault rifle : capable of killing several enemy hostiles with one bullet. 4. Producing on mass the new series of self propelled 155mm howitzers : K-9 Thunders. 5. Holds several world class special forces : SWC south korea special forces south korea 707 black berets south korean Marine corps. South korean UDT special forces 6. Ballistic missile range extended to 800km armed with the new Hyunmoo I,II,III ballistic and cruise missiles. 7. Owner of multiple AEGIS destroyers.
SK force qulity and technology is better nut NK army is much larger (about twice) and have nukes, the seem to even the type that would rather kill their own people as long it kills other too like taliban does.
Blazerelf 1. The south korean special forces could easily secure the NK nuclear sites meaning the NK would no longer have any nukes. 2. South korea would use their cruise missile advantage from their destroyers by bombarding north korean supply depots and communication bases. 3. The south koreans will use their advanced armoured vehicles advantage by mowing down the NK army. Human flesh will crumble under south korean K-2 BP tanks and the new IVF carriers. 4. North korean army's caloric intake is 500 calories. The south korean army's caloric intake is 3600 calories. The north koreas will lack strength and endurance to travel long miles to attack us. 5. The south koreans will also dominate the air with their F-15Ks and their upcoming F-35 IIs. The NK Mig series will be shattered. So basically, the south koreans can literally bomb the north korean army with SK new JDAM, PIKE, POPEYE and their other new missile series. The south koreans will never face the north koreans face on. They will use their advantages to shrink the weak north korean army.
Joe marine and Seoul will be wiped out. Nuke is only a fancy toy like the Bismark battleship. The real deal is the 1000 cannon that is waiting to wipe out Seoul on the map. DPRK may tolerate the relentless bombard, but KIM would never stand a single U.S. soldier on his soil.
zuang ssuen Wrong. South korea have deployed south korean SPIKE missile launchers on the border which can destroy all north korean gun positions within 20 seconds. They also have f-15k strategic assault fighters which will bomb the 1000 gun positions before the north koreans can use it.
You are talking about one possible outcome. I am talking another one. I can't challenge you on an imaginary scenario and prove I am right. Just don't never ever underestimate your enemy.
Maybe if you'd use the Navy, Marines, and Air Force, you'd get the job done faster. because everybody in the Marines knows, A- Aren't R- Really M- Marines Y- Yet And, Marines would have gone through the coast lines, NOT straight through the middle like an idiot.
+Ryan Westfall You are an idiot. You know the Marines are just the army but with more training and better gear, right? That's all that any spec ops are. The moment North Korea is attacked, South Korea is getting the shit blown out of it with nukes, artillery, and bombs. No matter who you send in, the same thing is going to happen.
Kartkid024 It's usually the Marines comin in to save your asses when you get cornered. We're the first to go, last to leave. you need to get the job done with the expertise of the special forces, the cost effectiveness of standard infantry, all in one branch? you call us. 10 out of 10 people who enlist into the army make it. 8out of every 10 people who enlist into the marines make it.
So, the worst case scenario is 56 days and 90,000 troops? I can imagine the best case scenario being 10 seconds and 1 crazy Scottish guy charging at them with a claymore
+Jodie 'hendrix' Haryadi Andorra wins. No contest. No one can stand against the might of their military funded entirely by voluntary donations, and spent almost solely on ceremonial blank ammunition. Their forces are so elite, that they are composed of only officers. Their zeal is so great, that their personnel is composed entirely of unpaid volunteers, many serving part time alongside their day job. They also hold the fearsome distinction of being the only country in the world, that has ever fought two world wars... SIMULTANEOUSLY*. ( *Because they were forgotten about and not invited to sign the treaty of Versailles ending the first war. This was eventually corrected at the end of the second world war. )
+UnknownSquid Haha yeah we in Spain live under constant threat of Andorran agression, our army is deployed near their border in a permanent red alert. Also they got the biggest european navy.
'taking 90,000 troops and 56 days to secure North Korean nukes is way too MANY and way too LONG'. are u joking me?!?!?!?! well, it took America 120,000 troops and 14 years on the war against 20,000 Taliban peasants, and failed. you do realize that North Korea have got 1.5 MILLION troops and THOUSANDS heavy weapons, right??? plus, they are way better disciplined and fanatic than Taliban. Forget about the quest of finding nukes, I'm afraid it would be already more than great if 90,000 U.S. troops can SURVIVE 56 days!!!
You are pretty stupid, and shouldn't be talking about military topics. The only reason the Taliban hasn't been taken care of is because they use guerrilla warfare, and they hide behind civilians and fire upon our troops, and our rules of engagement dont allow us to fire at civilians. If the Taliban were to come out and fight a conventional war instead of hide behind omen and children liek pussies, we would have taken care of them long ago. Dprk would probably fight a conventional war, so our marines and sf would know who to shoot at and not have to worry about hitting civilians, and we could use artillery and armored vehicles and such. The war would be over within a couple months
Einstein!!! what makes you think North Koreans would fight in exactly the same way you prefer??? Do you expect your enemy to line up like toy soldiers and stand right under your radar and charge like mindless zombies so you could shoot them up like in video games??? Why do you think Americans had had a bloody nose in last Korean War? humiliated in Vietnam? and beaten up in Afghanistan? What a complete idiot!
kane luo China got involved in the Korean war and1.1 million Nva combat death was hardly a humiliation(I had a grampa fighting in the Royal Lao Army against NVA troops in Laos on the Ho chi mihn trail.That was the 2nd theatre of operations in the Vietnam war.Don't fuck with me on that.)China did get involve with that one aliitle but its not well known and I'm not talking about just logistics either.Afghanistan? yeah there still attacks here there but their holding elections progress is a bit slow but hard to say still..How ever back in the Korean they did do alot of Human waves attack some chinese troops even ran past American positions.i doubt they would do that again like that this time but I wouldn't doubt they would try it.This is why we do war games to keep ourselves on our foot.
I'm Afghanistan we are a little over 2,000 dead that's not losing that's pretty damn good if you consider the Korean War 30 something thousand Kia and North Korea has a conventional army they are gonna gift that way they have 200 thousand sf that will fight unconventional we will take care of them and the people are mostly starved so we won't have to worry about them we will be able to tell the difference between the people and they're military
You are in Afghanistan? good to hear, bcoz I'm in Afghanistan as well! mate, look around you, look around Helmand, Kandahar, Logar, unlike people back home who are fooled by mainstream medias, if you are on the ground of Afghanistan then deep down the heart you know very well the war in Afghanistan is lost, in every bloody sense! Losing thousands of soldiers while WON the war is pretty damn good, losing thousands while LOST it is not.
just like to point out, i was talking about north koreans. south koreans are the opposite. their army (after the 307 military reform) will be one of the mos dominant asian powers in the east
ok I will send special forces to the facilities that are furthest away form south Korea and they will be backed up by navel support as well and then other main marine assaults to the facilities closet to the shore and 50k troops in I could be done very clean little casualties.
oliver hobbs totally because you are a supreme battlefield tactician that knows all the ins and outs of war without ever having been in the military. What a joke.
Probably, but you need an IBM to carry the nuke. I don't think.they have any delivery system at the moment. That's the problem with thier program. The State Dept, if that is still what it's called, is constantly concerned about N Korea selling nukes. They are very poor, very rash, and very hostile. So all the ingeediance are there for some bad stuff going down behind closed doors. In this war scinario, the US plan seems to focus on aquiring the nukes before they can be handed off or used in combat. A very real concern. Could they reach the states? Not directly. But when it comes to weapons of mass destruction, any chance is too much.
notice how they didnt mention anything about casualty projections. how many US and south korean troops would die or be wounded? how many north korean and how many civilian both north and south korean are we looking at?
Did you factor in 400,000+ troops of South Korea? There is a reason the U.S. and its Allies conduct these exercises, and set them at a very high difficulty level. That's how you find most of the potential problems with your plans, and then adjust things accordingly.
I'm no military strategist, but why wouldn't they use the Navy to bombard the coast and inland from afar? Eh, would probably turn into some god awful Normandy type situation. War really sucks all around. :-(
This isn't acurate because we dont need to send v-22 Ospreys so deep into their territory and even if we did it would take lousy commanders to make this mistake
+grant richardet IKR all you gotta do is weaken their defenses with shit tons of missiles and do tons of airstrikes and attack the weakened points after that im the best commander. You could easily take out all of north koreas air bases with missles and airstrikes the only hard part would be fending off the 1M troops left after all the attacks but they wouldnt have any air support or navy so the USA would def win.
+Sorry Im Swag I'd hit there comunication centers and shut down there ability to broadcast so you can allow people to start to think for themselves because Kim needs continuous propoganda to keep the people in line
I suppose you'd think 300,000+ fighting for 3 years, plus an additional 300,000+ S Korean and Coalition troops would be excesive? Because that's what it took last time just to work out a stalemate. Yall are spending too much time fking with petty terrorists. Real wars aren't fought by small groups of militarized police. The US has the potential to wage war, but do to its obsessive focus on outer terrorism, we have since lost the capability to wage war on a large scale.
Olaf Von Hambergler Ehhh... nnnot exactly... we as a military have probably become experienced with urban combat... but... albeit... yeah. They do have drills for this stuff I'm sure of it.
+Olaf Von Hambergler Nah, it could. That scenario is shitty anyway. I'd say securing the nukes could be done by commando units dropped on the respective facilities. Then launch a full assault from S Korea. NKs are starved and have poor equipment. Just use Agent Orange and all that stuff you thought of as too dangerous.
The only way they can turn the current military model around at this point is to either start dredging up old NATO plans from the archives or begin a full rearmament program. MRABS and Armored plated Hummers are not equated to modern warefare. Even the old T72 and T55s are more than a match for these peace keeping forces. Air power alone WILL NOT WIN WARS. Truman's peace through appeasment has left the Communist Block in Asia to proliferate into a monster the size of the USSR. War with China is not imenent, but unless the Communist government falls naturaly, war is enevitable. Some day, China will reach economic independance, and we will have no cards left to play but war. IDK if the Striker program is even still active?
This appears to be a US Army/USAF/SOCCOM only scenerio. Some of those suspected nukes sites appear to be located on the coasts of North Korea. Why the hell couldn't those US Army (Delta/Ranger) be supported by USMC forces seizing a nearby port or coming in off sea basing,instead of depending on the US Army coming up from the south?
The only thing that surprises me is that people thought 90,000 "U.N." troops would be enough, and it would only take 58 days. I would estimate at least 300,000 total troops, and 150-60 days to secure high valued sites. What wasn't mentioned was the crappy roads, civilians needing help, and the weather.
So... Jade Helm couldn't possibly be a government war game that deals with defiant States within the Union, but this North Brownland is unquestionably North Korea?
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Please release this war game on steam. :D
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Yes, I need something new to play.
A website costed them 2 billion and 2 years to make , A video game would cost a trillion dollars and take 100 years to make .
we would beat it in a day
yes do that plz
First of all, who the fuck was commanding this scenario??
+ProZGaming EXACTLY....was WAY off all the way around in my opinion
+ProZGaming No one was "commanding" it. This took place at the Army War College. The article is poorly done as it gives the impression this exercise meant anything. This is the equivalence of creating a fake tech company in some business college and then having a news reporter complain because it wasn't how Bill Gates would do it.
+ProZGaming Probably north Korea themselves
Georgiy Abramyan I see you didn't watch the video.
***** Best to have no plan than a terrible plan.
Brownland is a problem now imagine Tea Land, Vodka Land, Noodle Land, Running Away Land etc etc.
No way you can manage that.
+Paul Raver the problem isn't so much defeating "Brownland" as much as securing the nuclear stockpile in a timely manner.
timmy D= Those will be well guarded by the loyalist troops.
Cause no one will let anyone near the stockpile to begin with.
And those are also to best trained and armed.
So whateverland you will face stiff opposition and no quick solution.
Basically drop the food aid and and send you absolute best special forces to capture and then blow up the place.
You will have to be so fast they will not have time to react and/or delay them in stage 2.
+Paul Raver "Running Away Land" had be laughing pretty hard
+Paul Raver The US cant afford to take the risk. Those loyalist troops may find themselves thinking about selling a nuke or two after some anarchy time without income
Benito Camela US can not take the risk nor can it go into North Korea without heavy loses.
And selling a nuke would be very hard, the only arms dealer who would besides terrorist arms dealers is dead.
"56 days is too long"
What about 15 years in the middle east?
Good one lol
1/3rd of the military?? that's over 400,000 troops... o_0
+Phaire Couchpotato wow are u serious lol 400,000 troops would be close to the total amount of active troops in the military currently. The reserve doesnt count in the number they were talking about only active personel
+Mark Trobough According to Wikipedia, The U.S. military has 1.3 million active personal and 850 thousand reservist personal. So sending 1/3rd of the us military would be about 400,000...
Make no mistake America could do it but that would be very expensive and would take a massive amount of logistics.
But South Korea has over 600,000 troops too...
+Mark Trobough There's about 1.4 million active personal and 800k+ reservist. This story was bias and the scenario likely commanded by students rather than experienced military officers. The idea of sending troops in the middle of North Korea to get surrounded is a very clear sign they aren't very experienced. 90k troops is hardly even a field army and 56 days is rather quick (Germany took over Poland with 1.5 million troops in about 35 days in a two front invasion with the help of the Soviets) and I really doubt the troop numbers mentioned accounted for what would be our allies (South Korea, Japan, and other NATO nations) or if they were all U.S. troops. North Korea would be decimated and them saying 56 days with a total of only 90k troops was a failure is laughable. They overplay NK's potential and while it is a regional threat to stability it wouldn't stand a chance on the battlefield against any of it's neighbors or a US led coalition.
+Brandon Stahl The students at the War College are all experienced officers. I lived there at one point.
+Sonny Loop Their Emperor ordered the Rape of Nanking and countless other war crimes. We kept him and the other 4.7 percent of the population that were involved in the war crimes. Not to mention that we could have dropped another bomb to really finish them off. They owe us and the rest of the world a million.
If something like this would happen, the US wouldn't be alone. The NATO would invade North-Korea.
Hopefully not, since that's not what NATO is supposed to be for.
If North Korea attacks first then yes
NATO is just the US protecting Europe lol
Nato ahahahahah thet childs if nato so strong like u said all why are they attacki)g syria libia and others poor country and not china or russia and nk is not alon chine and russie and there aliens will help them so it will be ww3
TheodorEriksson If NATO doesn't invade, other countries will definetly help the US. Countries like the UK, and maybe France and Germany etc. Like in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East.
Basically what I'm trying to say is, the US wouldn't be alone.
They severely over estimate the loyalty of the average North Korean citizen.
They do the song and dance so they don't end up in a labor camp but if that regime was toppled they would all flee their terrible country within days.
In fact, the single biggest problem in the scenario would be the South Korean refugee crisis. The population would nearly double in an extremely short period of time and there's absolutely no way any country could cope with that.
Just look at what happened in Europe after a few million refugees poured into an area with a population over 340 million.
+gobblenater You're right.
+gobblenater but in Europe you have to take into account of different cultures............. muslims and radicals + mostly christens = shitstorm
kyle belew
North and south korea are also very different. 60+ years of militant segregation will do that.
gobblenater while true at least they don't want to go around killing everyone that doesn't agree with them :/
idiotic
2 months is too long? what do they think are soldiers are invincible?
Mr. Blank Guns are guns, they still kill
Also, nice profile pic
Let the South Koreans go in. They have 600,000 active personnel and around 2.5 million in reserves. A joint US-South Korea force would crush the North Koreans.
+crazycowz1234 Actually China has stated that if North Korea were to instigate a war, then the Chinese would not interfere. The Chinese are actually getting tired of North Korea
+crazycowz1234 feel free to look it up. North Korea has turned into a liability for China. it's relationship with China is even worse than their relationship with Russia
+crazycowz1234 feel free to look it up. North Korea has turned into a liability for China. it's relationship with China is even worse than their relationship with Russia
+crazycowz1234 were all trying to avoid nuclear annihilation so china would only give them new weapons that won't blow up in there faces
+Light of Judgment Also Australia and Canada could help, combined they about 140 000 active personnel, Filipino troops could be sent as well.
Iraq had the 5th largest armored military in the world and they barely lasted a few weeks during the first Gulf War. North Korea is using World War 2 era military assets and doesn't have the rations for their troops to handle a long conflict. People drastically overestimate their ability.
There is a difference in fighting people in a desert and in hilly countryside with villages and cities.
sammni The biggest difference is that Saddam wasn't terribly popular so the people were unwilling to fight extraordinarily. But the N Korean people probably would, up until they saw what the allies were offering.
I don't think North Koreans would fight that hard its hard to say but there could be mass surrenders like the Iraqi's did before the fighting even really began
Not world war 2 era, cold war era. So they have tons of missiles to kill a lot of South Korean civilians.
North Vietnam did not have any Armored military but still defeated the United States in the Vietnam war.
This simulation is assuming they have food and supplies, which they don't.
I think it simple nutty to think that a small third world country would attack the biggest military and economic power in the world. One needs to be an extreme racist to ever think that those people would be so stupid.
PootStip hahaahah I like that "a pimple that need to be popped" LOL!!!
Without an efficient economy, N Korea wont last long in warfare. The Americans and S Korea will simply cut their supply lines just like in the Korean War. And China is smart enough not to mess with USA, they are simply using NK to do their trash talking and hoping that the USA/SK would get provoked and attack NK (thus exhausting America's treasury and resources) then they will attack when America and its allies are weakened economically. I'm sure China and Russia are also funding the Taliban in order to keep exhausting America's resources. They know the USA has a powerful army based on a powerful economy. So they will exploit the economic side first.
So my advice to America is to pick its allies and its battles wisely because Russia and China are just waiting for that moment.
nothing is going to fly until US/CHN comes up with a deal, which is not likely to be done with different stands.
Guy Blais
the US isn't the first economic power in the world (it's 3rd behind the European Union (1rst) and China (2nd)).
***** LOL ONLY 250k POUNDS!?
Haha imagine them engaging the F-35 in air to air combat! Man they'd be so scared because their jets are so old
+Old glory lol the F35 failed against the F18 in combat simulation
+Zhana27 Source
My mistake it was not F18 but against an F16 that the F35 failed
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148585/Pentagon-say-reason-expensive-fighter-jet-F35-lost-dogfight-F16-40-years-ago-did-not-special-coat-stealth-paint.html
+Zhana27 Yes, your mistake. That article was June of last year and the test was an aerial dogfight, which are virtually non existent as far as modern jet combat in todays world. You don't even see your opponent before he blows you out of the sky. And thats good. The F-35 is a stealth fighter and its targeting systems trumps the F-16 in distance, precision, and accuracy. I can assure you, the F-35 had a rough beginning, but it is top of its class
+Zhana27 Because dogfighting is only a last resort. The F-35 fights differently.
before US military enter north korea , i suggest they ask the south korean for permission.. because once north korean border was breached, you can say good bye to seoul and all south korean cities near the border ...
Buntalan Lucu Their military is shit. They won't have planes, since they will be bombed. They won't have any tanks, because they will get destroyed with American/SK tanks. They won't have any Navy because they have shitty WW2 ships. They won't have any troops because they have no armor, and will get mowed down by aircraft. I think Seoul can handle itself.
Kurt Roundstone yes i believe south korean with the help of america will destroy the whole north korea in less than 1 day , and i believe china wont interfere , and i believe not a single shell from north korean thousands of artilery tubes station in DMZ will hit seoul.. i believe not a single south korean will be distrubed by the conflict..
and i believe in santa claus too..
***** dont forget the south korean brainwashing... their plastic surgery will help them win the war against their ugly north korean brethren.. it's like the north korean are the face of real korea and now the south korean tried hard to pretend they dont look the same as the north korean...
thus the hilarious plastic surgery mania in south korea.. trying to erase their ugly look
Nie wieder Krieg mit Russland! yes , and the sad thing is the south korean are changing their looks because they hate their 'natural korean look' by plastic surgery in droves.. to be honest i find this disgusting , a people who cant stand their own naturally given look , exchange it into a fantasy..
north korean people have more dignity and honor compared to these materialistic south korean.. they may be poor and led by despot but their honor reign supreme over the south korean
+Buntalan Lucu yah, South Korea will bear the brunt of the conflict but North Korea is a threat to everyone, so if a country feels like their people are endangered than they will do what they have to. But that being said, unaccounted nuclear weapons would most likely be a above and beyond reason for the South to want to invade the north.
Nuc-LEAR
NOT NUKEULAR
valcaryon3 nonono, it’s nude-clear
This ''Not to promote war but to preserve peace'' Sign out of this US barracks is really hilarious...
They never once mentioned anything about South Korean troops taking the lead in this matter. Why not?
because this is all aout usa, land of thieves
Vinh Nguyen please explain what land the United States has ever taken over. Since the United States became a nation it's still only has 50 states. There are countries like Puerto Rico Guam the United States Virgin Islands that are territories of the United States and have some United States laws but the land is not owned by the United States. They don't vote for our president and we don't vote for their but they do have to have a democracy. So all these countries we we took over like Afghanistan and Iraq even South Korea and Japan those are our countries now that's what I thought there their own independent country still as we don't take over countries we might go to war with countries or terrorist but we do not take their land or the resources as we're the ones losing out in money fighting as we don't even collect the oil from Iraq or Afghanistan we finished.
Ken Williams you're so naive
@@kenwilliams2464 What about the numerous puppet governments the USA installed/tried to install?
RUclips: where people display their extraordinary understanding about international affairs in the comment section of a video about international affairs
I'm not just display my understanding here.. I'm studying international affairs.. so that's going to be my job one day..
Haha. My thoughts exactly. I love how people make such bold claims predicting the actions of nations and leaders (which they clearly don't understand) with such confidence. Amusing really.
Gurfi28 lol so u dont no wat ur talking about yet then
If the number of U.S troops needed would be really high, why not do a joint operation with ROK Armed Forces?
If a North Korean Regime was toppled, there's a very high chance China would become involved but not as you'd expect. Most likely they would deal with a lot of refuges and open a wide range of diplomatic talks with the US/South Korea. They most likely would not engage simply because the US/South Korea would definitely deploy to pacify the region, and they do not want to go to war with the US. The US is particularly aggressive in foreign policy, as they want to maintain the status quo as the "dominant" world power, plus already have a large portion of the Military already stationed on the peninsula. The reason China would not need to go to war based on US/SK actions is because technically they would not be invading the sovereignty of North Korea, since the regime would already have been toppled.
Not only would the US and China going to war be bad for the world militarily (Basically WWIII), but Chinese business exports would be crushed and the US economy destroyed which would devastate the world economy (China and the US have two of the largest economies in the world and if they are both knocked out by each other that would be catastrophic to the world economy). Additionally this economic instability would negatively effect the Chinese people, many of whom already live in poverty, and the Chinese government would not want that, as their popular opinion has slowly decreased since more and more people are hacking into the world internet.
Why should China go to war with the US when China is on the way to surpass the US? Like Chinese sages said: winning without a fight is the most honorable victory. Huge trade and MAD will keep US and China from going mad.
Well China doesn't want to go to war with the US which is what I said...the only reason I can see them doing so is if A) they were really willing to defend North Korea (which I doubt) or B) there are many border disputes between China and Japan/Korea which could result in conflict that the US would have to respond to
A war with China would lead to a nuclear Winter. Both countries would be devastated and would become radioactive for millions of years.
Theplaymaker1271
CNN are corrupt and put propaganda on, this is a global take over look up agenda 21 watch a video on you tube called dark secrets of boheimen grove ,then watch chuck missler videos peace brother spread the word
God bless
1:23 Gotta love when they say "Nukular".
Yea nuclear
Wow, such sophistication and complex planning not to mention the cost.
They should just ask Dennis Rodman's travelbusiness agent.
They forget that there's about 500,000 South Korean soldiers that would be able to aid us in our efforts.
if something like this WERE TO HAPPEN im pretty sure the JSDF would also be deployed to help keep areas secure so the US and SK could focus on the task at hand of getting the the nuclear sites
Are you making fun of USA
where do you see anywhere in this comment thread someone making fun of the US
ryan I 'Murica
north korea has only 3 servicable airports. they cant build anymore due to mountainous terrain. So once these 3 airports are bombed, north korea has no chance of getting anything into the air.
Also the north korean east and west navy is seperated whereas the south korean navy is joined. Dont forget 3 AEGIS destroyers of south korea (KDX-1-2-3) can handle the entire north korean navy. Just saying
Joe marine but there most laughable thing in the country there hotel....and leader.
Americans couldnt defeat afghan peasants too...
Not meaning it in a bad way
people firght for what they belive in. but a war of ideas there would be easyer
winstonS
South korean armed forces have a lot of transport helicopters
Expecting clean cut airports in north korean terrain is naiivr
+Mini Hamster The reason why this happened is because terrorist can blend in so well with civilians. if this wasn't the case the could non stop carpet bomb Afghanistan
would it be possible for me to see subtitles?
I think half of the army would defect when they can, they don't wanna die for an insane leader...
Ace132 there are the odd defectors at times, alot are in fear of leaving, if they have a chance to escape I think a good chunk of its army will go south some still have family there...
You mean Donald Trump yeah i agree have the army would defect
I love how when non-military personnel talk shit on the military. It is like Trump saying he knows how the military works for spending 2 years in military school HAhahhha
Well, for Trump, it would be more than the alternative with 0 experience. Clinton has always failed and caused innocent people to be killed. We cannot keep having the stupid management.
AwoidElite, trump has been debriefed on all of this though and he is the “commander in chief” of it
Yes and military personel of your country now that North Korea isnt Iraq or Syria that way you dont attack becourse you now that will be hard long battle just was 1950.
I'm surprised that it would take that long to conquer North Korea. The US faced a similar conventional and unconventional threat during the invasion of Iraq, with Saddam Fedayeen units fighting without uniform. And then, it still only took 3 weeks to get to Baghdad.
+The Guy The terrain in iraq is more straight forward more flat, not to mention the allies have extensive knowledge where everything was, and even operated within it's borders prior to the second war. With NK it's different terrain, areas unfamilir so it poses greater challenges and risks as we know little of what tactics NK will use against ground troops.
World Of Thought Well said. Thanks.
World Of Thought just a thought when we went to war with Iraq the first time they were the fifth strongest military in the world dominating anybody in the Middle East and most European countries as well and right up there with China. We went in and made them look like fools and days. And that was without allies the first time but was with our first stealth Fighters 117 and B2 came after. And the second Iraq war when we hit total ground to get Saddam out with only took less than a hundred days to completely get through everything same thing with Afghanistan just sending in Delta Force by itself took out all the Maine militia and Afghanistan. But then the pentagons wanted to send some generals over and start bombing people and Afghan which made the war not really War but battles continue with insurgents as more and insurgents wanted to join because of the bombings
The Guy
The Guy this is fake
north brownland... sounds pretty racist lol, i think it was supposed to be an inside joke XD
"Would have to send 3rd of their army." Lol are you serious, they don't even have helmets and kevlar, they have old ww2 weapons and they're short and weak as fuck.
I'd say 90k ppl could take controle of it, fairly easily.
they have some modern stuff thanks to china and the black market, i heard they have a crap ton of artillery which would be aimed at seoul. they also fight until the death but US troops don't even want to be injured
James Tee North koreans have made sure to counter everything the US have, send helicopters they have shoulder guided anti air missiles. send anti tank jets, artillery are in a narrow valley with no room for a gun run. you don't need precision if your intended target is simply anything that stands in a large capital city.
That is if our 90k troops can survive their unconventional weapons (the bitch move), but i'm pretty sure that our airstrikes can easily take the majority out of the way. And plus, their anti air defense is really bad...
TheRabbitFear Wait... there's a helicopter that can fight jets???? And Anti tank jets? I feel like the purpose of these aircraft are flipped lol. I do believe that South Korea and USA are still at an advantage because our jets also have anti air, and our helicopter also have anti-tank. Anti helicopters are slow compared to jets, so the usa would have an easier time shooting them down. And jets can even take out other jets. And yes North Koreans can just fire all of their unconventional weapons to the capital, but i'm pretty sure that their defenses are more than enough to take most of them down.
matthew wong i meant NK have at least shoulder launched anti-air and the a-10 does have 1 nickname which is the "tankbuster"
The last time a scenario presented itself where a massive land invasion was an option, Harry Truman saw the casualty numbers and opted instead to bring his enemy to his knees in total surrender via nukes. In lieu of that option I think targeted smart bombs on all stockpile sites would be much better.
+Nick Gherz And the nuclear stockpiles are detonated? Keep in mind these are fucking civilian casualties we are talking about. That's right, people with dreams and lives just like you and me. And also, doing that would render the korean peninsula uninhabitable and lose all chance of uniting Korea into one nation again.
+Kai Nukes are not dynamite, radioactive material being hit with a conventional explosive does not cause fission/fusion to occur
***** They are innocent humans who had no choice in living there. Change your cover photo.
I think the SEALS and Delta Force could thrash the shit outta these North Korean "Special Forces"
Just the South Korean SF groups will be enough to neutralize those malnourished NK elites...
Lol. South Korean UDT SEALS are pretty elite too
GLEN 7k
damn right. NK clowns wont stand a chance
Maybe it is safer to overestimate them rather than underestimate.
Of course. Using the Art of War would be enough. Luring the troops with food rations into minefields would be enough
Did this in the Civ 5 2014 mod. Salt Lake City got nuked...
+Christopher Satterfield That's an unlikely place to nuke lol. CA and WA have much closer and better targets. I love the shit out of Civ 5 and the mod community though.
I don't understand either. So I went on to liberate China, didn't get nuked. Then I decided to end Putin, he nuked Shanghai. Really don't understand the AI.
0:16 "To make sure they dont fall into the wrong hands". Right, because nukes in america's hand is good. Wasn't US the only country to have ever used nukes on another country?
+Adel Ajib So what is your point of America using nukes on another country?
My point is that USA is the only country that used nuked on another country yet america thinks that their hands are the safest
Adel Ajib It is, clearly you don't know the story to why America used nukes. I can tell your ignorance by the lack of capitalization and punctuation .
How do you justify it?
Adel Ajib Pearl Harbor? The multiple attacks on the U.S.?
wtf? Why would you automatically exclude south korea? South korea could probably beat the north koreans if the south korean special forces secured the nuclear sites.
1. 650,000 front line active personnel & 3,000,000 reserve personnel.
2. Producing on mass the K-2 Black Panther the most expensive and advanced tank in the world.
3. Producing on mass the 4th generation K-11 assault rifle : capable of killing several enemy hostiles with one bullet.
4. Producing on mass the new series of self propelled 155mm howitzers :
K-9 Thunders.
5. Holds several world class special forces :
SWC south korea special forces
south korea 707 black berets
south korean Marine corps.
South korean UDT special forces
6. Ballistic missile range extended to 800km armed with the new Hyunmoo I,II,III ballistic and cruise missiles.
7. Owner of multiple AEGIS destroyers.
SK force qulity and technology is better nut NK army is much larger (about twice) and have nukes, the seem to even the type that would rather kill their own people as long it kills other too like taliban does.
Blazerelf
1. The south korean special forces could easily secure the NK nuclear sites meaning the NK would no longer have any nukes.
2. South korea would use their cruise missile advantage from their destroyers by bombarding north korean supply depots and communication bases.
3. The south koreans will use their advanced armoured vehicles advantage by mowing down the NK army.
Human flesh will crumble under south korean K-2 BP tanks and the new IVF carriers.
4. North korean army's caloric intake is 500 calories. The south korean army's caloric intake is 3600 calories. The north koreas will lack strength and endurance to travel long miles to attack us.
5. The south koreans will also dominate the air with their F-15Ks and their upcoming F-35 IIs. The NK Mig series will be shattered. So basically, the south koreans can literally bomb the north korean army with SK new JDAM, PIKE, POPEYE and their other new missile series.
The south koreans will never face the north koreans face on. They will use their advantages to shrink the weak north korean army.
Joe marine and Seoul will be wiped out. Nuke is only a fancy toy like the Bismark battleship. The real deal is the 1000 cannon that is waiting to wipe out Seoul on the map. DPRK may tolerate the relentless bombard, but KIM would never stand a single U.S. soldier on his soil.
zuang ssuen
Wrong. South korea have deployed south korean SPIKE missile launchers on the border which can destroy all north korean gun positions within 20 seconds.
They also have f-15k strategic assault fighters which will bomb the 1000 gun positions before the north koreans can use it.
You are talking about one possible outcome. I am talking another one. I can't challenge you on an imaginary scenario and prove I am right. Just don't never ever underestimate your enemy.
"The Army today was quick to remind the CNN that the fictional North Brownland in the war game may not expressively be North Korea per se"
Hah.
+Josias Alexis more like africa
Nick Cooke
Maybe if you'd use the Navy, Marines, and Air Force, you'd get the job done faster. because everybody in the Marines knows,
A- Aren't
R- Really
M- Marines
Y- Yet
And, Marines would have gone through the coast lines, NOT straight through the middle like an idiot.
+Ryan Westfall Why not a combined coastal and land assault? Two birds with one stone......
+Ryan Westfall You are an idiot. You know the Marines are just the army but with more training and better gear, right? That's all that any spec ops are. The moment North Korea is attacked, South Korea is getting the shit blown out of it with nukes, artillery, and bombs. No matter who you send in, the same thing is going to happen.
+Ryan Westfall
M- Muscles
A- Are
R- Required
I- Intelligence
N- Not
E- Expected
Kartkid024 It's usually the Marines comin in to save your asses when you get cornered. We're the first to go, last to leave. you need to get the job done with the expertise of the special forces, the cost effectiveness of standard infantry, all in one branch? you call us. 10 out of 10 people who enlist into the army make it. 8out of every 10 people who enlist into the marines make it.
Ryan Westfall if Marines are first to go in how do they come in after us to save us?
So, the worst case scenario is 56 days and 90,000 troops? I can imagine the best case scenario being 10 seconds and 1 crazy Scottish guy charging at them with a claymore
U.S.A vs North Korea: and the winner goes to?
The us
+Jodie 'hendrix' Haryadi The U.S., and the other 26 other countries in N.A.T.O.
+Jodie 'hendrix' Haryadi North Korea :D
+Jodie 'hendrix' Haryadi
Andorra wins. No contest.
No one can stand against the might of their military funded entirely by voluntary donations, and spent almost solely on ceremonial blank ammunition. Their forces are so elite, that they are composed of only officers. Their zeal is so great, that their personnel is composed entirely of unpaid volunteers, many serving part time alongside their day job. They also hold the fearsome distinction of being the only country in the world, that has ever fought two world wars... SIMULTANEOUSLY*.
( *Because they were forgotten about and not invited to sign the treaty of Versailles ending the first war. This was eventually corrected at the end of the second world war. )
+UnknownSquid Haha yeah we in Spain live under constant threat of Andorran agression, our army is deployed near their border in a permanent red alert. Also they got the biggest european navy.
'taking 90,000 troops and 56 days to secure North Korean nukes is way too MANY and way too LONG'. are u joking me?!?!?!?!
well, it took America 120,000 troops and 14 years on the war against 20,000 Taliban peasants, and failed.
you do realize that North Korea have got 1.5 MILLION troops and THOUSANDS heavy weapons, right??? plus, they are way better disciplined and fanatic than Taliban. Forget about the quest of finding nukes, I'm afraid it would be already more than great if 90,000 U.S. troops can SURVIVE 56 days!!!
You are pretty stupid, and shouldn't be talking about military topics. The only reason the Taliban hasn't been taken care of is because they use guerrilla warfare, and they hide behind civilians and fire upon our troops, and our rules of engagement dont allow us to fire at civilians. If the Taliban were to come out and fight a conventional war instead of hide behind omen and children liek pussies, we would have taken care of them long ago. Dprk would probably fight a conventional war, so our marines and sf would know who to shoot at and not have to worry about hitting civilians, and we could use artillery and armored vehicles and such. The war would be over within a couple months
Einstein!!! what makes you think North Koreans would fight in exactly the same way you prefer???
Do you expect your enemy to line up like toy soldiers and stand right under your radar and charge like mindless zombies so you could shoot them up like in video games???
Why do you think Americans had had a bloody nose in last Korean War? humiliated in Vietnam? and beaten up in Afghanistan? What a complete idiot!
kane luo China got involved in the Korean war and1.1 million Nva combat death was hardly a humiliation(I had a grampa fighting in the Royal Lao Army against NVA troops in Laos on the Ho chi mihn trail.That was the 2nd theatre of operations in the Vietnam war.Don't fuck with me on that.)China did get involve with that one aliitle but its not well known and I'm not talking about just logistics either.Afghanistan? yeah there still attacks here there but their holding elections progress is a bit slow but hard to say still..How ever back in the Korean they did do alot of Human waves attack some chinese troops even ran past American positions.i doubt they would do that again like that this time but I wouldn't doubt they would try it.This is why we do war games to keep ourselves on our foot.
I'm Afghanistan we are a little over 2,000 dead that's not losing that's pretty damn good if you consider the Korean War 30 something thousand Kia and North Korea has a conventional army they are gonna gift that way they have 200 thousand sf that will fight unconventional we will take care of them and the people are mostly starved so we won't have to worry about them we will be able to tell the difference between the people and they're military
You are in Afghanistan? good to hear, bcoz I'm in Afghanistan as well! mate, look around you, look around Helmand, Kandahar, Logar, unlike people back home who are fooled by mainstream medias, if you are on the ground of Afghanistan then deep down the heart you know very well the war in Afghanistan is lost, in every bloody sense! Losing thousands of soldiers while WON the war is pretty damn good, losing thousands while LOST it is not.
To make sure the nuclear stockpile don't fall into the wrong hands. Are they in the right hands?
It's never easy to fight Orientals, and thats not a racist comment, i'ts just a fact, they don't give up that easily, they are not intimidated easily.
not when they use vintage WW2 era weapons.
just like to point out, i was talking about north koreans. south koreans are the opposite. their army (after the 307 military reform) will be one of the mos dominant asian powers in the east
Here because WW3 about to go done...
cRy a world war is bigger than this
not a world war , the war on terror is more ww3 than this
"North Brownland" sounds more like the U.S. than North Korea
잘보았습니다. 감사합니다.
really that is a bad plan i could probs make a better one in my classroom. lmao
Okay then, lets hear it.
ok I will send special forces to the facilities that are furthest away form south Korea and they will be backed up by navel support as well and then other main marine assaults to the facilities closet to the shore and 50k troops in I could be done very clean little casualties.
oliver hobbs totally because you are a supreme battlefield tactician that knows all the ins and outs of war without ever having been in the military. What a joke.
I’m in 2018, so can we get something more updated?
"Nuclear weapons lost control of nuclear weapons." WUT?
according to millitary analysts, you need about 20 times as much millitary budget to invade as the defender does (without totaly destroying it).
Lebanon prime minister is a hostage in Saudi Arabia. Why media is being silent about it?
Aren't the North Koreans have soviet nukes? Those have a range of about 10k miles?
Probably, but you need an IBM to carry the nuke. I don't think.they have any delivery system at the moment. That's the problem with thier program. The State Dept, if that is still what it's called, is constantly concerned about N Korea selling nukes. They are very poor, very rash, and very hostile. So all the ingeediance are there for some bad stuff going down behind closed doors. In this war scinario, the US plan seems to focus on aquiring the nukes before they can be handed off or used in combat. A very real concern.
Could they reach the states? Not directly. But when it comes to weapons of mass destruction, any chance is too much.
ICBM... fking auto correct.
Where is the South Korean Army in this scenario?
What did North Korea do to USA for US public media to call North Korea "enemy" ? ? ?, Somebody answer me that please.
lol staggering 90k troops. Not exactly staggering considering thats not even a third of the peace time army.
did he say 90k was way to many troops in this land of 319 million people?
NOT TRUE!!!!!!!! They didn't include the navy or air force or spec ops
notice how they didnt mention anything about casualty projections. how many US and south korean troops would die or be wounded? how many north korean and how many civilian both north and south korean are we looking at?
Did you factor in 400,000+ troops of South Korea? There is a reason the U.S. and its Allies conduct these exercises, and set them at a very high difficulty level. That's how you find most of the potential problems with your plans, and then adjust things accordingly.
90000 troops is a huge force? 8 plz, you should probably check out every big campaigns in WWII and how many troops both sides delivered
assuming that south Korea and americas allies don't exist
is one of the guys in this video name's really is Bruce Banner?
does they considering about china and russian interfering if they attack north korean
how does it feel as American, getting threatened by some countries, and being almost hated every where (except europe and Israel)?
+Emps Help not scared at all:)
I'm no military strategist, but why wouldn't they use the Navy to bombard the coast and inland from afar? Eh, would probably turn into some god awful Normandy type situation. War really sucks all around. :-(
So, America doesn't count as "wrong hands?" just curious.
This isn't acurate because we dont need to send v-22 Ospreys so deep into their territory and even if we did it would take lousy commanders to make this mistake
+grant richardet IKR all you gotta do is weaken their defenses with shit tons of missiles and do tons of airstrikes and attack the weakened points after that im the best commander. You could easily take out all of north koreas air bases with missles and airstrikes the only hard part would be fending off the 1M troops left after all the attacks but they wouldnt have any air support or navy so the USA would def win.
+Sorry Im Swag I'd hit there comunication centers and shut down there ability to broadcast so you can allow people to start to think for themselves because Kim needs continuous propoganda to keep the people in line
+Sorry Im Swag funny how a couple of youtubers turned out to be generals
Gallant Doffy Naw im just using common sense since korea got no kind of long range attacks and no kind of airforce lol.
53 days is actually very short like less than 3 months.
How was this leaked wouldn't this be classified?
They probably just gave an overview. And didn't give all the juicy details
Heh.. ironic that R.E.M "end of the world" shuffled on Spotify at the end of this
its pretty much a full invasion. 90,000 troops is pretty small.
North korea: *declaring war*,*serious*
U.S: *memes*
why not just land marines in the crest of the peninsula similar to how D-Day was done?
isn't sharing this information on public television a breach of national security? isn't that technically high treason?
This scenario is not possible
Why, exactly, would this information be publicly accessible via RUclips? America is too lenient with this type of information, Imo.
Why wouldn't there be ally forces helping us in this war game sim like south Korea and Japan?
56 days 90000 troops. that translates to 8 years 250000 troops.
WAY TOO LONG? Jesus fucking Christ. . _ . How efficient *ARE* our troops?
Number8 xD
I suppose you'd think 300,000+ fighting for 3 years, plus an additional 300,000+ S Korean and Coalition troops would be excesive? Because that's what it took last time just to work out a stalemate. Yall are spending too much time fking with petty terrorists. Real wars aren't fought by small groups of militarized police.
The US has the potential to wage war, but do to its obsessive focus on outer terrorism, we have since lost the capability to wage war on a large scale.
Olaf Von Hambergler Ehhh... nnnot exactly... we as a military have probably become experienced with urban combat... but... albeit... yeah. They do have drills for this stuff I'm sure of it.
+Olaf Von Hambergler Nah, it could. That scenario is shitty anyway. I'd say securing the nukes could be done by commando units dropped on the respective facilities. Then launch a full assault from S Korea. NKs are starved and have poor equipment. Just use Agent Orange and all that stuff you thought of as too dangerous.
The only way they can turn the current military model around at this point is to either start dredging up old NATO plans from the archives or begin a full rearmament program. MRABS and Armored plated Hummers are not equated to modern warefare. Even the old T72 and T55s are more than a match for these peace keeping forces. Air power alone WILL NOT WIN WARS. Truman's peace through appeasment has left the Communist Block in Asia to proliferate into a monster the size of the USSR. War with China is not imenent, but unless the Communist government falls naturaly, war is enevitable. Some day, China will reach economic independance, and we will have no cards left to play but war. IDK if the Striker program is even still active?
Havent we tried this before..
the korea thing? could be mistaken with vietnam
not counting initial casualties, if we lost initiative, getting over the initial shock,who attacks first,it would be a lot worse than they think
56 days too long? That's a fucking blessing, better than an entire decade or years if warfare.
And, what if the Soviets, and or China are also implementing the same plan at the same time ?
with the osprey they need to do a sea side invasion like in ww2 where they storm the beaches at several key locations after some serious shelling.
what about other militarys? like the UK or Germany? the UN would surely send aid right?
there exists a single nation that used nukes. They under the last leader expand war from 2 to seven nations. Where will troops come from?
2 months with 60 thousands troops doesn't sound too bad at all...
This appears to be a US Army/USAF/SOCCOM only scenerio. Some of those suspected nukes sites
appear to be located on the coasts of North Korea. Why the hell couldn't those US Army (Delta/Ranger)
be supported by USMC forces seizing a nearby port or coming in off sea basing,instead of depending
on the US Army coming up from the south?
And they also have 200 thousand special forces holding 1980's AK
The only thing that surprises me is that people thought 90,000 "U.N." troops would be enough, and it would only take 58 days. I would estimate at least 300,000 total troops, and 150-60 days to secure high valued sites. What wasn't mentioned was the crappy roads, civilians needing help, and the weather.
also have to remeber a simulation is completely different than an actual war. People might make dif decisions under pressure.
What about the South Korea Army??
Never underestimate the enemy look what happened in Vietnam...
So if you wanted more money for the Military you would release what kind of story?
So fictitious.. we're not putting troops on the ground. We would either have south Korea do that or all out air strike war
56 days would be a dream scenario^^ what alternate world are you living in?
you've been in Korea before, member?
1. release it on pc
2. it wouldnt be just the us against nk, it would be us, uk, australia, france, canada, sk, and a ton of other countries.
He said to make sure the nuclear dont fall in to the wrong hands , are they on the right hands now? if yes why are the Americans afraid?
56 days and 90,000 troops!? That's absolutely nothing! Even 200,000 troops isn't even big five hundred years ago!
this is not some thing that should be on you tube or any ware else for that matter
So... Jade Helm couldn't possibly be a government war game that deals with defiant States within the Union, but this North Brownland is unquestionably North Korea?
I'd like to see this redone with British forces, assuming Britain has access to theoretical facilities to deploy from.