@@flow3326 isn't that random person the one who has the crest stone for that sword? And btw who else is she gonna give it to except for byleth who's the only person who can use that sword to it's fullest potential?
Really does suc. Seteth truly was my favorite. He had great supports with the students. Hilda? Bernie? Felix? All rather "troublesoem" and yet he managed to get through them and offer solid advice.
@@spindash64 She sent them off to fight, and refused to heed the warnings of Seteth. She's a dragon that can transform naturally, so she's already a ticking time bomb, like every other dragon.
@@euandunbar8050 She didn’t toy with a baby’s soul, she basically performed a Heart Transplant on a Stillborn infant. She’s not a demonic schemer, she’s a Schizophrenic Grandmother confused as to why little Timmy is now 7ft tall
@@sebasulgc6629 it's been a while. I'm not exactly sure what the video is called but you get it by defeating Dedue before he throws away his humanity using the crest stone.
"We'll call it a victory, but I'm sure they'll do the same" Meanwhile Cat is telling Rhea it was a total loss while Rhea is screaming about murderous revenge fantasies
Okay so first, if you manage to kill Flayn before Seteth, (you monster) you actually get this beautifully cruel line from Seteth crying from the top of his lungs "FLAYN, NO!!" Mark Whitten didn't have to break our hearts but he still did 😭
@@Ninjaananas sort of. He still doesn’t like Byleth for their betrayal, but at the same time, he can’t find himself supporting Rhea any longer with how she’s changed. That’s why he just takes Flayn and leaves when they are spared
@@Ninjaananas Oh he survives the monastery invasion? I'm on cp 17 but his quote just sounded like a death quote while Rhea's response sounded like he died too, so I assumed he died.
@@CrowYaeger I looked at their wiki and yeah they're related but it doesn't seem that Rhea and Seteth are siblings bc Rhea is the daughter of Sothis but it simply shows Seteth as a "descendant." So I feel like he's a much younger relative of Rhea but not her brother
Same! Whenever I face named characters I always fight with Byleth to get the dialogue that goes with it. I never realized that doing this would change the outcome of things.
i didn't even know that they can die, but good thing when i played they live, because thay are not evil as rhea, rhea did care for them buuuuuut, not even telling them that she was killing people to bring sothis back and also killing her own daughter makes her a bad friend, + those 2 might be saints but they are not the goal, the goal is to take down rhea, in my book, all of the church are good guys except rhea, i would 100% join edelgard to take her down and fix fodlan's society and spare claude with byleth or edelgard, not kill hilda, defeat flayn first so she can leave, and seteth so he can leave, dedue & Dimitri is sad that i have to kill them and almost made edelgard cry, and of the church can be spare by ignoring them and focus the goal, the phantom thieves... i mean, the black eagle strike force (perfect, funny, and inmature name), before she keeps having that law and crest and making people life hell, "El Joker" and her team would take the continent
@@pikachu2198 Rhea wasn't killing people to bring Sothis back and she didnt kill her daughter either. She created twelve humanoids by her own power and gave them Sothis' heart to see if this would revive her mother. When it didn't work, as we see from Sitri, Rhea allowed the humanoids to keep the heart and live out their days peacefully until their natural death. That didn't happen for Sitri because of circumstances that didn't have anything to do with Rhea. It is stated (if you play the church route by siding against Edelgard) that Rhea's power has been fading over the years. Sitri was Rhea's 12th and final creation but, likely because she was no longer as powerfuk as before, Sitri came out rather frail and the heart did little more than keep her alive. Despite being a failure, Sitri was raised almost as an adoptive daughter to Rhea and allowed to live her own life. Sitri met Jeralt, fell in love, got married and got pregnant. Because of her poor health, both Sitri and Byleth were near death at birth. Sitri knew that Sothis' heart was a powerful artifact and asked Rhea to use it in order to save her dying child. Jeralt did not know that Sitri wasn't exactly human or what Rhea was either, so of course he found the no-heartbeat thing to be terrifying and ran off with baby Byleth. But notice that there is never any mention of Rhea looking for Jeralt in any route after he does this? She just let the man run off. She didn't have some master plan that involved Sitri's death and Byleth's birth. It was Sitri's own decision to have a child with her weak body and Sitri's specific request to save Byleth using Sothis' heart. Rhea just honored her dying daughter's/creation's request and later realized that this situation was quite convenient. Edelgard is the one robbing graves (stealing crest stones), siding with the monsters who killed Jeralt, betraying all of the people she once called her friends, forcibly subjegating all of Fodlan under her rule and then after ravaging the country for 5 years to force the people to come under her dominion, starting ANOTHER war to fight against TWSITD, only AFTER killing Rhea (aka the ONLY person with the power to combat TWSITD's OP technology as we see in the Church Route). I love Edelgard, but as a well-written villain. Her route is essentially like playing Conquest im FE Fates where you join the conquerers. Literally every other route has a much better future for Fodlan than Edelgard's. The Church route allows you to put an end to Edelgard's tyranny, destroy TWSITD for good, allow Rhea to rest in peace and bring Fodlan together under a unified rule.
Rhea: "Die.... professor!" Seems odd, I understood it's so byleth can be named anything for the player, but man, she says the word with such conviction that professor kinda makes it seem weird
Ikr even though she forced you to be a professor without previous knowlegment and you just worked as professor for less than 1 year before going to war and the school being shutdown for 5 years... Is like bitch I have a name but if you wanna call me something call me traitor cuz that is what I am to you or mercenary cuz that is what I really am I worked as mercenary for serveral years before being forced to become a professor...
@@sefirot57 right?! Thank you! And she knew Byleth as a baby, and is related (aunt / uncertain with Rhea making Byleths mom count as). Still calling a family member... PROFESSOR
@@VanguardJohnson She barely even knew them as a baby though, Jeralt ran away pretty much as soon as Byleth was born. Also, artificially creating someone doesn't mean they're related to one another. They really only met each other at the beginning of the story, Byleth is effectively a stranger to her.
Seems really awkward for Rhea to still address Byleth as "Professor" at this point, I know the obvious reason for it but couldn't they just had her address them as "Traitor"?
@@RojoRiveraRojo00258 Yes, we know that, captain obvious. Of course the name is changeable as the avatar, it's the idea that they could've had the script refer to them by a different name. Make's sense for the students, but for Rhea they would've made more sense to change it, and easily could have changed it. Just because they can't use the character name doesn't mean they're rooted to one title.
According to TV Tropes, if you go through Crimson Flower and don't complete the "Legend of The Lake" paralogue before this battle, you will lose access to it afterwards if you kill Seteth and Flayn...which makes complete sense when you think about it. I mean, would *you* offer up your most valuable possession to the people who killed your brother and niece?
As much as I love Seteth and Flayn, I feel like killing them/letting them die fits the Crimson Flower plot much better and gives a much better reason for Rhea to snap and go full balls-to-the-wall crazy. She is truly the last of her kind and completely isolated now. That's a way better reason for her to go nuts than "My mummy's bones were stole :("
Also adds in the idea that in war, not everything is entirely clear, morally. Is it better to kill them, or spare them to face a world they will no longer have a place in?
Yea cause having your entire race slain by the bones and heart of your own mother by a thief isn't enough of a reason to go completely insane after hundreds of years 😂
You only get it if you kill one of them with Byleth (before killing the other). For example, if you kill Flayn with Edelgard, and THEN kill Seteth with Byleth, they won’t survive. But if you kill Flayn with Byleth BEFORE killing Seteth with someone else, they live.
@@gabbycraft7035 the fact that Flayn shows up like a MILE from where Byleth is likely to be at that point and then rushes the nearest unit also makes it highly unlikely that you'll get the chance unless you know about it beforehand
@@RamixTheRed Not really. There’s a ton of units that show up over there so you basically have to send Byleth there for support. My Byleth was pretty close to Flayn when I killed her.
I can't even play CF because I would never side with someone that starts a war in real life. Same reason I could never marry post time skip Dimitri. He's way too unstable and murdered so many people just because he was out for blood, developed schizophrenia and still had it at the end, just in better control and ignores it. What if something traumatic happens and breaks him again. Post time skip Dimitri is just too scary to marry @@eric_moore-6126
Having the ability to spare people if you defeat them with Byleth is a really nice touch, it somehow helps clean your name a bit so them dudes don't think you're just some murderous thug. Although I wish I had known this when I fought Claude in CF, I ended up slaying him with some other unit and then wondered why the option to spare him never showed up. Left me with a bit of regret since I really dig his character.
Yeah I had a similar experience, I felt really really bad killing Flayn. I wish I'd been able to spare her. The only unit I actually got to spare was Lysithea.
Being a long time FE fan the recruit/spare option is only avaliable to the leaders, so as soon as I could I got byleth to be a Knight, he always needs to hit/talk with important people. You can make it a Raider too but there are way too many archers in this game.
@@natekite7532 I think Lysithea is the only character you can spare by default without any bonds whatsoever. Every other character you meet needs a certain bond level to be met and have to be felled by Byleth themselves to be spared
Yeah, first you have to kill Flayn as Byleth so she will retreat unharmed, after that you can defeat Seteth (with any character) but he will only retreat if Flayn has been spared already.
This makes me glad they learned from Fire Emblem Fates. It always annoyed me that the game claims you just knocked out enemies. In Three Houses you kill and live with what you did. You actions shape the story of the cast and people react. I like that in a game especially one of war. No matter what you do in that case, everyone can't have a happy ending.
@@myway24454 It gives more of an impact, so many games have everything turn out good with sunshine and rainbows. Something gritty and with realistic consequences is a nice change. Not saying the happy ending fantasy is bad but having a darker one is a nice change every now and again.
In fates defense all 3 routes was led by a sheltered peace believer. So despite the cool crit kills u do XD story wise u are defeating the enemy without kills. As for living with the consequences of a death/kill atleast its not as bad as Awakening where everyone that died was somehow still alive and recruitable.
That's one thing I really like about Fire Emblem. It shows the tragedy of war, the fact that you can't save everyone, and that whatever you do, there will be those who are caught in the middle. I think three houses did a good job of showing that. Even more painful if you can't recruit all the kids on your first run.
As heartbreaking as this route is at times, and whether you're a fan/detractor of Edelgard or Rhea, you can’t deny that seeing the war from this perspective is darkly fascinating to witness. Plus Cherami Leigh's voice acting in this route is on point and then some.
I killed them in my Black Eagles run after using them both in my Blue Lions run. I think it's more fitting to go with the attitude of "No mercy" when playing Crimson Flower to enhance the already sorrowful feel of the route. Deaths of Raphael, Hilda, Claude, Seteth, Flayn and especially Dimitri and Dedue make me still feel sad to this day but it made for a really memorable experience
@@Ninjaananas Oh yeah, you are right. I forgot the three way battle does not occur in Crimson Flower. It was in my Blue Lions playthrough where I killed Raphael along with most of the non Blue Lions characters.
I wouldn't say that CF is the "no mercy" route. Edelgard is literally about wanting to spare anyone that she can. She hates Duke Aegir with a passion but didn't kill him. Only stripped him of power and imprisoned him. She talks about how if she could spare Rhea, she would prefer to also strip her of all political power. If you choose to side with Edelgard, it makes more sense than you should follow Edelgard's personal desires in sparing who you can spare. That follows closer to Edelgard's own desires.
@@0axis771 This. The only one to really want a genocide route is Hubert because he is an asshole, Edelgard is very reasonable all in all. Unlike every other leader, she knows what she is doing is wrong, but she also knows that its the only way to end the crest system. Rhea flies into a blind zealous rage at every opportunity, Dimitri flies into a blind rage based on a bunch of assumptions. Edelgard and Claude are really the only two to remain level headed.
@@lpfan4491 yes but consider this Hubert is sworn to protect Edlgard with his life and with how overprotective he is if he doesn't know a basic way to heal her in case she is fatality injured that is a major oversight on his part.
I killed Flayn with the professor and when they talked about retreating I didn't think much of it, and then I used Divine Pulse so another unit could kill Flayn for exp. Then after that happened and Flayn exploded I used Divine Pulse again so I could spare both of them
If you don’t mind me asking, why? She’s already unhinged in the first part, being a theocratic, sometime tyrannical ruler, and in the second part... she goes fully insane unless you side with her
@@ducky8075 I wouldn't say completely unhinged. I'd say she's merely teetering on the edge, and you siding with Edelgard is what finally broke her. And given how she survived the genocide of her people, I do not think she deserves to (quite literally) have her mother's bones rammed through her skull. She needs healing, not abandonment.
You don't HAVE to kill them. You can spare or avoid everyone except Dimitri, Dedue, and Rhea. And if you kill Dedue quickly, he and Dimitri get a more dignified death.
I mean, if you actually knowingly & unnecessarily killed Seteth & Flayn, that is a very understandable reaction. Those two are pretty pure. Seteth being a total bro is easily the best part of SS.
Total bro, who talks like a vengeful god killing his worshippers in his paralogue. I understand why some people like Seteth, but in my eyes, he’s at his best in SS post-Myrddin.
@@maxrichards3881 Well sothis is the goddess for them, she created them - and the worship for sothis was there even before nemesis- since seteth mentioned that be met his wife at a church.
Rhea, in the early game: 'Hello there, person I have great interest in. Wanna work in my monastery as a teacher? Ofcourse you do. Oh, you found the sword of the creator? Nah, you can keep that thing. I know it's one of the most powerful swords in the world but I trust you.' *Byleth chooses Edelgard over Rhea* Rhea, late game: 'Perhaps I should have thought things through a little more...' *Seteth facepalming superhard in the background, trying really hard not to say: I told you so!*
Rhea:"I trust them, what could go wrong?" Seteth:"I certainly do not approve. Let's hope this really doesn't lead to unspeakable tragedy." *5 years and a dead Flayn later* Seteth:"I knew it! I just knew it! Dammit!"
Poor Rhea :( Thousand of years of trying her best only to be betrayed by whom she saw as family, driven mad and killed by a foolish blind girl with a silly idea of a future she can never see to fruition.
More accurate title: "What happens when you don't realize you can spare them because they don't give you the Talk option like with earlier games, so you just have other characters kill them."
There are several characters in the past games that you can kill & easily miss that there is a way to recruit them. Also killing both is the best option, I had to rewind time because Byleth didn't seem to kill them.
Wait wait, you can spare them? I just went ahead and KILLED EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. FOR THE EMPEROR! But I'm seriously glad I did, the scene has way more impact if Seteth and Flayn die.
@@myway24454 I'm happy with Rea's voice acting concerning their deaths. It made her motivation for vengeance even more believable. It's one of the few times your choices kinda matter, even if it just changes a scene a little.
@@myway24454 In the end this game is telling a story. Storywise it makes more sense for them to die, than to magically survive the battle. I think that is what he meant with being happy that he got his route.
I killed them (even though I knew I could spare) twice because their voice acting is so great. I think it makes though that Byleth can spare them because he/she is the one who rescued Flayn in the academy phase.
I remember reacting to this in Discord with a buddy who had already beat it, and I was like damn I can't believe they just made you kill them. That's when be told me, well you can save them if you defeat them with Byleth. ... I had literally *just* saved...
Maybe because it's war and Flayn and Seteth are the enemy, it sorta makes sense why they live if Byleth gets the finishing blow because main character power but even then just because it's someone you care about doesn't mean that anyone else(and this doesn't just go for Edelgard but also every last character in all routes) is all of a sudden just going to go"hey look those are people I know from 5 years ago, let me just put myself and the rest of my friends and the army in danger just because I don't want really feel I want to kill them", also it's double standard as well because Claude and Dimitri also kill people during the war who are really good people but when they do its completely fine but when Edelgard does its all of a sudden one of the biggest war crimes to ever happen
@@guydude439 glad it helped, now don't get me wrong the mere thought of killing Flayn or Seteth makes me feel sad and I personally made sure they lived albeit accidentally cus I didn't know they could live but really the best thing about Edelgard's route is that you actually have choices like those that let you decide the small details
I would never choose to kill Seteth and Flayn. I could not imagine snuffing out the last light of Seteth’s life after he lost his wife, and it would be cruelty beyond words for Flayn to lose her father, and for BYLETH to witness or be party to such agony, after losing Jeralt so painfully. I would never wish to cause that.
i wonder how Seteh and Flayn would have reacted to Rhea ordering Catherine and Cyril to set fire to the town they were staying in in order to slow the last attack
I feel like killing Seteth and Flayn should be the trade off to keep Randolph and Ladislava alive. Since they die either way, there’s nothing to incentivize killing Seteth and Flayn unless you just don’t like them.
After seeing what happens to literally everyone in Crimson Flower Im so scared to play the route, I prefer Silver Snow imo, it kinda feels nice that Seteth and Flayn kinda take the position of the house leader
@@christopherwall2121 I just like it, that’s all- plus I get to focus on two other people instead of Edelgard and Hubert so I can level up their skill levels in battle
I like how if you fight the wretched, rebellious heretic Edelgard she just regrets that you aren't on her side and that she must kill you, while the benevolent, wise archbishop wants to skin you alive
I have no sympathy for Edelgard, sure she has her own “noble reasons” for having put countless lives on the line just to do what Claude did but much worse. Not to mention that CF Byleth makes me physically sick as well Rhea gave them a chance to live and they spit in her face by following Edelgards murder path
@@christopherwall2121It is wrong for her to try to revive sothis using her underhanded means full stop I agree. However what’s a dozen lives weighed against hundreds? Byleth just turned out to be a happy accident or in some routes a disaster
@@SweaterPuppys well, if you wanna play the cold equations game, what's those hundreds against the millions who suffered for a millennium under Rhea's watch, and the millions more this revolt will save from that same fate?
@@docxy7331 In Silver Snow towards the end, Seteth and Flayn officially reveal their identities. They mention that while Rhea is able to turn into a Dragon, they cannot since they have not done it in so long. If they don't actually change form just because, they stop being able to all together.
Imagine. Flayn falls, Seteth gives out his pained cry of despair at his "sister"'s death. And then, something within he'd believed long lost reawakens, and at once he Is swallowed entirely... A Kaiju roar rings out, as wyvern lord Seteth is replaced by the Hammer of Judgment, a berserk dragon that attacks friend and foe alike. Hard mode unlocked! Nice going jackass.
@@NavonodSemaj and then when byleth fights him he says "i trusted you! And you murdered her!!!" Or conversely you kill seteth first flayn transforms and says to byleth something mirroring rhea from the opening cinematic
It's such a fun route but it always makes me cry. I hate killing everyone. Especially Seteth's reaction to Flayn when she dies. I didn't even know you could spare them so here I am real sad.
I'm 50/50 on character/enemy deaths being optional and the only way to find out how to spare them is by looking it up online. Kinda ruins the fun of playing for the first time. That said, Seteth and Flayn surviving isn't much better either. They leave Fodlan and go into hiding because they won't be accepted in the new world order due to them being children of the goddess. And Seteth still hates the players guts for their choice.
Well yes and no Edelgard's problem with the church in CF is the political power it holds, the establishment She asks rhea to surrender and so does to Dimitri in that "amazing" dialogue that basically got translated with that "no u" we all love It's basically the reason why they can survive CF, Edelgard having byleth near her makes her realise that it's not both the nabateans and the argathans that are the problem, but the argathans (lol) and the church in itself It's another reason why CF Edelgard is so compelling
@@ilpuntodigf I'm not here for a debate, the only way to spare Seteth and Flayn is for Byleth to personally let them escape, but even then they don't have much of a future (Flayn literally says they'll go back into hiding). Edelgard doesn't really care about their lives enough to spare them. I didn't say anything about the political power of the church and I'm not gonna get into that here, maybe go try debating on reddit, I hear the r/Edelgard page is a riot.
@@lochnezzRAWR gne because people still use that convo between Edelgard and Flayn in VW to shade Edelgard, which really is just how bad she can get without Byleth
Aah that line, I got it in SS with Seteth. Edelgards also not allowed to join the Linhardt/Leonie paralogue either (the one where you fight Indech, a literal saint), as well as Hubert, bc Linhardt says they'll be a bother (which is pretty vague ngl). So idk it might not be just one line. *shrugs*
@@lochnezzRAWR yeah Lynhardt does say it but at the same time after the battle he says that you can talk to them about it or something among those lines If I remember correctly at least Mostly tho there's a choice where the answer that Edelgard likes the most, during CF, is the one that says if rhea surrenders the best thing to do would be to just remove the political power then church has See where I'm getting here?
I remember playing the game and not knowing *for months* that you could spare them until your video showed up in my recommended. it was then I had a "...this is an option?" moment in my head
I love how Fire Emblem has so much replay ability therefore making it my second favorite game of all time but Xenoblade 2 is my wife and I can’t cheat on it
In my first run i spared both because i was scared of the enemies and fighted Flayn with Byleth. Then in maddening spared both again because i couldnt do the leonie/lindhart paralogue in time because it was too hard for me and i needed more time.
Cutscenes like this are why I really wonder why anyone could side with Edelgard She declared war from a misguided view against the church and even worked alongside the Slithers to try and bring them down
She was right, though. The Church was holding back everyone in Fodlan to keep three dragons in power, committed vast purges against anyone in or out of the Church who spoke against Rhea, closed the borders, allowed a system to thrive which ran entirely on the abuse of the common folk to keep a powerful elite propped up, suspended civil rights, and on a more personal level, Rhea saw you merely as a tool or a lab rat; you weren't even a person, you were just something keeping Sothis' new body warm for her that would go away when she brought her back. And RE: the Slitherers; so what? Haven't you ever cracked open a history book? You'd be surprised how often the "good guys" form alliances of convenience with reprehensible people because they have similar goals and a common enemy. The 13 Colonies formed an alliance with Monarchist France to defeat the British Empire; the Allied Nations formed a pact with the Soviet Union to defeat the Axis; hell, that's what the Cold War was entirely like.
@@Sergeikins the other playthroughs support my statement. Claude is the one whose path reveals a lot of this, and I can only assume he gave whatever of it he may have learned in CF to the Adrestians as part of his terms of surrender. Silver Snow is the same, just without Claude. AM reveals none of that because you're stuck on Dimitri's Wild Ride, of course.
@@christopherwall2121 >The Church was holding back everyone in Fodlan to keep three dragons in power Fair point, but it should be pointed out that this wasn't done out of malice for humanity, it was done because Rhea has firsthand experience with humans advancing rapidly, thanks to the Nabateans I might add, then proceeding to kill the shit out of them. It's not a good thing to do but it's understandable why she did it. >committed vast purges against anyone in or out of the Church who spoke against Rhea This straight up isn't true. I don't know where you read that there was "vast purges", but this never happened and was never stated to have happened at some point in the game. >allowed a system to thrive which ran entirely on the abuse of the common folk to keep a powerful elite propped up This isn't Rhea's fault though, she can't just stop people from valuing crests unless she just killed everybody descended from the 10 Elites. The Church itself teaches that you shouldn't place such high value on crests, but it's inevitable that bloodlines that give you superpowers would be placed in high regard. >Rhea saw you merely as a tool or a lab rat; you weren't even a person This is true, not much more to say about it. Just so we're clear, I don't even particularly like Rhea, but people are so damn uninformed about the story of the game that they swear she committed every crime under the sun, mainly the people who played CF and then shut off the game.
@@Sergeikins wrong rhea had too much power and she was doing a terrible job running fodlan its funny how in all routes she is gone and things get better also people like to accuse edelgard of every crime under the sun as well.
Others "This is why i hate edel! shes a monster!" Me: "wait....so since you want rhea gone...you attacked me and your friends with some psycho murder hobo as your second in command.....right before shes about to step down? yeah no im siding with rhea before you get us killed"
@@Sergeikins could have sworn I sent this, but apparently not, so- By sitting on the throne, Rhea hoped it would awaken Sothis within you, and that she would inhabit your body, taking permanent direct control of it. She was unaware that Sothis was already awake, was in a much more benevolent relationship with Byleth, and wanted no part of destroying Byleth's identity. Identity death, cessation of existence while your body goes on with someone else at the wheel, is a thousand times worse than death. And to make matters worse, it means Rhea had no real regard for Byleth's parents' wishes after all. Either that or she prioritized seeing her mother again over honoring her promises to her faithful or to her own creations. Neither reflects well on her as a leader, as a religious authority, or as a person.
@@christopherwall2121 So u are against sacrificing 1 person in order to save many lives? Cause that was Rhea point of view. Meanwhile people praise Edel for going into a war to improve Foldan while causing war and destruction and death for 5 years. I can totally see Edelgard killing 1 if it would save the many, Edel and Rhea are much alike even though they might think otherwise.
@@londinsilva5993 sacrificing Byleth would only make things worse. Sothis is not pleased by what has been done in her name, and probably would have been horrified that Rhea just killed the soul she was bonded to in order to draw her out. She would have turned against Rhea and the Church would have crumbled in on itself like a house of cards.
I didn't even know we could kill them. I always used Byleth against them because I wanted to see what they would say about seeing them again after 5 years. So if I get this right, if it's another unit that fights Seteth and Flayn, they die?
I didn’t realize there was an option to spare Seteth and Flayn in Crimson Flower 😬😬 I feel like it fits better thematically with the story to kill them though so I’m hindsight I’m glad I didn’t know because I would’ve. Also, Rhea’s VA is amazing.
Rhea: *tortures her mother by implanting her heart in a new body every few generations, never letting her die and rest in peace* Also Rhea at Byleth: yOU tOOK mY MoTHer fRoM mE
@@myway24454 Bruh imagine being stuck in a limbo and never being able to die. Always partially inhabiting someone else's body but never being in control. Tho if you really wanna defend Rhea then she isnt aware of what she's doing to Sothis she's just maniacly keeping her half alive. (Still messed up if you ask me) Its not physical torture sure however both Sothis and her human vessels suffer either emotionally or as Rhea said heresel "all my specimens end up a failure" Do you see nothing wrong with that? Sothis met many people before Byleth and knew them for far less time including Byleth's mom.
@@myway24454 This isnt a case of "Rhea tortured her mom that one time" This is a case of long and exhausting "journey" that Sothis didnt ask for. Sothis was forced upon it since Rhea never let her rest in peace but instead experimented with her own mother's heart.
Rhea: “the sword chose you, you can have it”
Byleth: *sides with Edelgard*
Rhea: “fucking thief”
lmao like u just gave the most powerful sword to some random dude and u expect nothing bad to happen?
exactly what was she thinking ?!
Seteth also warned her about just randomly giving their most valuable treasure away,.
No one EVER listen's to Seteth.
@@flow3326 isn't that random person the one who has the crest stone for that sword? And btw who else is she gonna give it to except for byleth who's the only person who can use that sword to it's fullest potential?
@@simplysimplerer yeah but just bc someone can use it, doesn't mean you automatically give it to them. Especially if you don't exactly "know" them.
In the Japanese version, Rhea spends a lot of time sounding like she was always on the verge of tears.
English Rhea is pure rage.
I love the pure concentrated of RAGE 😂
But it still kinda has the same childish undertones as the English does
Link?
@@Fulgore2005 thank you so much!
And to think this was the same VA that did Makoto Niijima. She's an amazing VA.
Hubert: "We must keep moving forward."
Switch: "you have 1 friend!"
The scene happened right as I was reading your comment
I don't get it
@@meta527II his switch sent a notification when Hubert spoke.
"Not now, Samus! Can't you see I'm bursting into tears!?"
No one going to comment how fantastic Cherami Leigh’s voice acting is for the second cutscene?
Well, it’s not the first time she’s sounded like that, but when I do hear that side of her, it gives me chills, but in a good sense.
She’s just such a good voice actor
Yes. Rhea's voice actress is my only reason im buying Cyberpunk 2077
@Grant Delia she voices the female V
And yet, she also plays sassy teenage mage Mae in SoV just as excellently. She's got range!
Poor guy just had something to ask of you :(
It was probably just to surrender. Notable, but worthless.
Really does suc. Seteth truly was my favorite.
He had great supports with the students. Hilda? Bernie? Felix? All rather "troublesoem" and yet he managed to get through them and offer solid advice.
I can only imagine Catherine’s face and reaction reaction when Rhea starts talking about skin melting from bones
Honestly? I can’t blame her. Even as off the deep end as Rhea is in CF, you murdered her only remaining family.
@@spindash64 She sent them off to fight, and refused to heed the warnings of Seteth. She's a dragon that can transform naturally, so she's already a ticking time bomb, like every other dragon.
@@spindash64 to be fair, she kind of murdered them when she decided to take a baby and toy with its soul, kicking off the chain of events.
@@euandunbar8050
She didn’t toy with a baby’s soul, she basically performed a Heart Transplant on a Stillborn infant.
She’s not a demonic schemer, she’s a Schizophrenic Grandmother confused as to why little Timmy is now 7ft tall
spindash64 True but she also fucked up Byleth's mom to begin with
Comment section: "You can spare Seteth and Flayn?"
me: "You can save Seteth and Flayn?
Same. I just killed them both since they were enemies like all the others. I didn't even think you could. Wasn't given the option.
@@thekingofcucumbers4059 You get the option if you fight them as Byleth.
There is also a secret ending for Dimitri's death in CF where dies in peace instead of cursing in hatred.
@@kalicula7718 could you link it? I tried to find anything related but couldn't manage to find anything.
@@sebasulgc6629 it's been a while. I'm not exactly sure what the video is called but you get it by defeating Dedue before he throws away his humanity using the crest stone.
"We'll call it a victory, but I'm sure they'll do the same"
Meanwhile Cat is telling Rhea it was a total loss while Rhea is screaming about murderous revenge fantasies
Okay so first, if you manage to kill Flayn before Seteth, (you monster) you actually get this beautifully cruel line from Seteth crying from the top of his lungs "FLAYN, NO!!"
Mark Whitten didn't have to break our hearts but he still did 😭
I literally just got to that part and the way I paused so quick just to remember I needed to have byleth manage a hit on flayn in order to spare her 😭
Seteth: I despise that person with all my heart
Me: I don’t like this route...
He is probably lying because he seemed to be cool with Byleth when you fight him.
@@Ninjaananas sort of. He still doesn’t like Byleth for their betrayal, but at the same time, he can’t find himself supporting Rhea any longer with how she’s changed. That’s why he just takes Flayn and leaves when they are spared
The moment I killed Cyril I couldn't get myself to like the route. Only got worse as I continued, but at least I could save Flayn, Seteth and Claude
@@zura8879
Cyril does not die until in the last chapter.
@@Ninjaananas Oh he survives the monastery invasion? I'm on cp 17 but his quote just sounded like a death quote while Rhea's response sounded like he died too, so I assumed he died.
You can see the pain in Rhea of loosing seteth and flayn she really cared for them like family
They.. Are family
Why did you take them away Byleth? 👀
You must be looking a lot harder than I am.
They are family.. Seteth is her brother, Flayn is her niece.
@@CrowYaeger I looked at their wiki and yeah they're related but it doesn't seem that Rhea and Seteth are siblings bc Rhea is the daughter of Sothis but it simply shows Seteth as a "descendant." So I feel like he's a much younger relative of Rhea but not her brother
What’s funny is that Rhea is trying to get back to Sothis the whole game, and then you kill Rhea and you can marry her mom. Epic.
Byleth:so... I kinda had to kill your daughter...
Sothis: that's hot
5D chess plays here
@@lordmashiro1929 Imagine if Byleth were to sleep with Rhea before losing Sothis.
@@lordmashiro1929 sothis just figures you can make her a new one :)
@@lordcommissar7813 "LET'S GET STARTED MAKING ANOTHER ONE!"
Seteth hating the player hurts my heart.... :(
Honestly hearing that actually hurts me more than killing them.
I married him on my first run in Golden Deer so it was painful :(
Is what Byleth deserves for betraying them.
@@DiogoJ1 is what Seteth deserved for standing by and doing nothing for a millennium.
@@christopherwall2121 As he shouldn't. There was nothing they could do.
Comments: You can spare Seteth and Flayn?
Me: Seteth and Flayn can die?
Same! Whenever I face named characters I always fight with Byleth to get the dialogue that goes with it. I never realized that doing this would change the outcome of things.
Not mentioned here, but The Immovable (Leonie/Linhardt Paralogue) is only playable if you spare them.
@@phdskyla5026 well yeah but that’s with all the part 2 paralogues
i didn't even know that they can die, but good thing when i played they live, because thay are not evil as rhea, rhea did care for them buuuuuut, not even telling them that she was killing people to bring sothis back and also killing her own daughter makes her a bad friend, + those 2 might be saints but they are not the goal, the goal is to take down rhea, in my book, all of the church are good guys except rhea, i would 100% join edelgard to take her down and fix fodlan's society and spare claude with byleth or edelgard, not kill hilda, defeat flayn first so she can leave, and seteth so he can leave, dedue & Dimitri is sad that i have to kill them and almost made edelgard cry, and of the church can be spare by ignoring them and focus the goal, the phantom thieves... i mean, the black eagle strike force (perfect, funny, and inmature name), before she keeps having that law and crest and making people life hell, "El Joker" and her team would take the continent
@@pikachu2198
Rhea wasn't killing people to bring Sothis back and she didnt kill her daughter either. She created twelve humanoids by her own power and gave them Sothis' heart to see if this would revive her mother. When it didn't work, as we see from Sitri, Rhea allowed the humanoids to keep the heart and live out their days peacefully until their natural death. That didn't happen for Sitri because of circumstances that didn't have anything to do with Rhea.
It is stated (if you play the church route by siding against Edelgard) that Rhea's power has been fading over the years. Sitri was Rhea's 12th and final creation but, likely because she was no longer as powerfuk as before, Sitri came out rather frail and the heart did little more than keep her alive. Despite being a failure, Sitri was raised almost as an adoptive daughter to Rhea and allowed to live her own life. Sitri met Jeralt, fell in love, got married and got pregnant. Because of her poor health, both Sitri and Byleth were near death at birth. Sitri knew that Sothis' heart was a powerful artifact and asked Rhea to use it in order to save her dying child.
Jeralt did not know that Sitri wasn't exactly human or what Rhea was either, so of course he found the no-heartbeat thing to be terrifying and ran off with baby Byleth.
But notice that there is never any mention of Rhea looking for Jeralt in any route after he does this? She just let the man run off.
She didn't have some master plan that involved Sitri's death and Byleth's birth. It was Sitri's own decision to have a child with her weak body and Sitri's specific request to save Byleth using Sothis' heart. Rhea just honored her dying daughter's/creation's request and later realized that this situation was quite convenient.
Edelgard is the one robbing graves (stealing crest stones), siding with the monsters who killed Jeralt, betraying all of the people she once called her friends, forcibly subjegating all of Fodlan under her rule and then after ravaging the country for 5 years to force the people to come under her dominion, starting ANOTHER war to fight against TWSITD, only AFTER killing Rhea (aka the ONLY person with the power to combat TWSITD's OP technology as we see in the Church Route).
I love Edelgard, but as a well-written villain. Her route is essentially like playing Conquest im FE Fates where you join the conquerers. Literally every other route has a much better future for Fodlan than Edelgard's.
The Church route allows you to put an end to Edelgard's tyranny, destroy TWSITD for good, allow Rhea to rest in peace and bring Fodlan together under a unified rule.
Rhea: "Die.... professor!"
Seems odd, I understood it's so byleth can be named anything for the player, but man, she says the word with such conviction that professor kinda makes it seem weird
Ikr even though she forced you to be a professor without previous knowlegment and you just worked as professor for less than 1 year before going to war and the school being shutdown for 5 years... Is like bitch I have a name but if you wanna call me something call me traitor cuz that is what I am to you or mercenary cuz that is what I really am I worked as mercenary for serveral years before being forced to become a professor...
@@sefirot57 right?! Thank you! And she knew Byleth as a baby, and is related (aunt / uncertain with Rhea making Byleths mom count as). Still calling a family member... PROFESSOR
@@VanguardJohnson She barely even knew them as a baby though, Jeralt ran away pretty much as soon as Byleth was born. Also, artificially creating someone doesn't mean they're related to one another. They really only met each other at the beginning of the story, Byleth is effectively a stranger to her.
Hence why choosing your character's names and full voice acting are mutually exclusive
I wish Byleth wasn’t namable, would’ve been better if they just said Byleth
2:07 "and we must to keep moving forward"
Eren : *1 friend online*
I love this and hate this. What have they done to my boy 😭
Seems really awkward for Rhea to still address Byleth as "Professor" at this point, I know the obvious reason for it but couldn't they just had her address them as "Traitor"?
Byleth could be had any name since is a avatar, so to be neutral is still refering him as professor
I think she called him professor by pure spite and antipathy
@@hanza2364 no, it's for more neutrally. Remember all game is voiced.
That would have hit harder for sure. I think it was probably just to avoid any ambiguity so no one mistakenly thought she was talking about Edelgard.
@@RojoRiveraRojo00258 Yes, we know that, captain obvious. Of course the name is changeable as the avatar, it's the idea that they could've had the script refer to them by a different name. Make's sense for the students, but for Rhea they would've made more sense to change it, and easily could have changed it. Just because they can't use the character name doesn't mean they're rooted to one title.
According to TV Tropes, if you go through Crimson Flower and don't complete the "Legend of The Lake" paralogue before this battle, you will lose access to it afterwards if you kill Seteth and Flayn...which makes complete sense when you think about it.
I mean, would *you* offer up your most valuable possession to the people who killed your brother and niece?
The Immovable:"Sothis?"
Byleth:"No. Also, I killed Cethleann, you're next."
The Immovable:"...No?" *Disables paralogue*
Imagine doing that paralogue first and then killing them with the bow you get from it
@@creativename1673 damn bro way to go full on sadistic
@@creativename1673 D:
As much as I love Seteth and Flayn, I feel like killing them/letting them die fits the Crimson Flower plot much better and gives a much better reason for Rhea to snap and go full balls-to-the-wall crazy. She is truly the last of her kind and completely isolated now. That's a way better reason for her to go nuts than "My mummy's bones were stole :("
Also adds in the idea that in war, not everything is entirely clear, morally. Is it better to kill them, or spare them to face a world they will no longer have a place in?
Wow. Thanks for proving how rare empathy is.
If u played Church route u kind of know why she hates the professor, the bone stealing is nothing lol
Macuil and Indech are still around. So not the last of her kind
Yea cause having your entire race slain by the bones and heart of your own mother by a thief isn't enough of a reason to go completely insane after hundreds of years 😂
Seeing the amount of people who didn’t spare them and I’m sitting here like,”Did no one else get that option?” 😂
You only get it if you kill one of them with Byleth (before killing the other).
For example, if you kill Flayn with Edelgard, and THEN kill Seteth with Byleth, they won’t survive. But if you kill Flayn with Byleth BEFORE killing Seteth with someone else, they live.
@@gabbycraft7035 I....think you need to read your comment again
@@gabbycraft7035 the fact that Flayn shows up like a MILE from where Byleth is likely to be at that point and then rushes the nearest unit also makes it highly unlikely that you'll get the chance unless you know about it beforehand
@@RamixTheRed Not really. There’s a ton of units that show up over there so you basically have to send Byleth there for support. My Byleth was pretty close to Flayn when I killed her.
@@gabbycraft7035 I spared her too because my byleth was over there for that exact reason
Me playing fire emblem normally: NOOOOO DON’T KILL THEM!!!
Me playing CF: *kill every last one of them*
Right? If you're going to play as the villain, might as well go all the way.
Byleth: So anyway I started killin’.
I can't even play CF because I would never side with someone that starts a war in real life. Same reason I could never marry post time skip Dimitri. He's way too unstable and murdered so many people just because he was out for blood, developed schizophrenia and still had it at the end, just in better control and ignores it. What if something traumatic happens and breaks him again. Post time skip Dimitri is just too scary to marry @@eric_moore-6126
Version 1: boo-hoo mommy issues
Version 2: YoUr FLesH wILl RoT FRom yOuR BOnEs!
To be honest you do deserve it inversion 2
Seteth and flayn are best characters
Having the ability to spare people if you defeat them with Byleth is a really nice touch, it somehow helps clean your name a bit so them dudes don't think you're just some murderous thug. Although I wish I had known this when I fought Claude in CF, I ended up slaying him with some other unit and then wondered why the option to spare him never showed up. Left me with a bit of regret since I really dig his character.
Yeah I had a similar experience, I felt really really bad killing Flayn. I wish I'd been able to spare her. The only unit I actually got to spare was Lysithea.
Being a long time FE fan the recruit/spare option is only avaliable to the leaders, so as soon as I could I got byleth to be a Knight, he always needs to hit/talk with important people. You can make it a Raider too but there are way too many archers in this game.
@@natekite7532 I think Lysithea is the only character you can spare by default without any bonds whatsoever. Every other character you meet needs a certain bond level to be met and have to be felled by Byleth themselves to be spared
I like how genuinely pissed off she sounds 😮
“Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s.”
I COULD HAVE SPARED THEM???
Yeah, first you have to kill Flayn as Byleth so she will retreat unharmed, after that you can defeat Seteth (with any character) but he will only retreat if Flayn has been spared already.
@@Arshield285 sooo....no way i can just kill Seteth?
@@gonerofsavers3813 Correct, you can only kill both or spare both.
@@Arshield285 Thank god
@@Arshield285 ya.....i only wanted to kill Seteth....dangit
This makes me glad they learned from Fire Emblem Fates. It always annoyed me that the game claims you just knocked out enemies. In Three Houses you kill and live with what you did. You actions shape the story of the cast and people react. I like that in a game especially one of war. No matter what you do in that case, everyone can't have a happy ending.
I never understood why that was a good thing.
@@myway24454 It gives more of an impact, so many games have everything turn out good with sunshine and rainbows. Something gritty and with realistic consequences is a nice change. Not saying the happy ending fantasy is bad but having a darker one is a nice change every now and again.
In fates defense all 3 routes was led by a sheltered peace believer. So despite the cool crit kills u do XD story wise u are defeating the enemy without kills. As for living with the consequences of a death/kill atleast its not as bad as Awakening where everyone that died was somehow still alive and recruitable.
That's one thing I really like about Fire Emblem. It shows the tragedy of war, the fact that you can't save everyone, and that whatever you do, there will be those who are caught in the middle. I think three houses did a good job of showing that. Even more painful if you can't recruit all the kids on your first run.
@@darkshadowkg121
People only die when they're on your side. Immortality comes from non-playable status.
As heartbreaking as this route is at times, and whether you're a fan/detractor of Edelgard or Rhea, you can’t deny that seeing the war from this perspective is darkly fascinating to witness. Plus Cherami Leigh's voice acting in this route is on point and then some.
I like how she is standing completely still while being 200% mad
This is the scene I got, I didn’t know you could kill them.
I killed them in my Black Eagles run after using them both in my Blue Lions run. I think it's more fitting to go with the attitude of "No mercy" when playing Crimson Flower to enhance the already sorrowful feel of the route. Deaths of Raphael, Hilda, Claude, Seteth, Flayn and especially Dimitri and Dedue make me still feel sad to this day but it made for a really memorable experience
Raphael does not appear as an enemy in Crimson Flower.
@@Ninjaananas Oh yeah, you are right. I forgot the three way battle does not occur in Crimson Flower. It was in my Blue Lions playthrough where I killed Raphael along with most of the non Blue Lions characters.
@@dingousoop64
Yes, that battle is only in AM and VW.
I wouldn't say that CF is the "no mercy" route. Edelgard is literally about wanting to spare anyone that she can. She hates Duke Aegir with a passion but didn't kill him. Only stripped him of power and imprisoned him. She talks about how if she could spare Rhea, she would prefer to also strip her of all political power.
If you choose to side with Edelgard, it makes more sense than you should follow Edelgard's personal desires in sparing who you can spare. That follows closer to Edelgard's own desires.
@@0axis771 This. The only one to really want a genocide route is Hubert because he is an asshole, Edelgard is very reasonable all in all. Unlike every other leader, she knows what she is doing is wrong, but she also knows that its the only way to end the crest system. Rhea flies into a blind zealous rage at every opportunity, Dimitri flies into a blind rage based on a bunch of assumptions. Edelgard and Claude are really the only two to remain level headed.
Byleth: Hey Rhea, remember when I killed Seteth & Flayn
Looks at Catherine & Cyril
Byleth: Wanna see me do it again?
Rhea’s portrait: mildly annoyed
Rhea’s voice: *NO MERCY*
Randolph: I can't be saved
Hubert Standing LITERALLY 3 feet from him who should know at least a basic healing spell: 👁️👄👁️
i mean with how three houseseducation works edelgard only needs a D in faith to know heal herself too
That category of magic is actually Hubert's weakness, so probably not.
@@lpfan4491 yes but consider this Hubert is sworn to protect Edlgard with his life and with how overprotective he is if he doesn't know a basic way to heal her in case she is fatality injured that is a major oversight on his part.
I killed Flayn with the professor and when they talked about retreating I didn't think much of it, and then I used Divine Pulse so another unit could kill Flayn for exp. Then after that happened and Flayn exploded I used Divine Pulse again so I could spare both of them
Outstanding move
Cutscenes like this pain my heart. Crimson Flower in general is a big pain train for me because I sympathize with Rhea too much.
If you don’t mind me asking, why?
She’s already unhinged in the first part, being a theocratic, sometime tyrannical ruler, and in the second part... she goes fully insane unless you side with her
@@ducky8075 I wouldn't say completely unhinged. I'd say she's merely teetering on the edge, and you siding with Edelgard is what finally broke her. And given how she survived the genocide of her people, I do not think she deserves to (quite literally) have her mother's bones rammed through her skull. She needs healing, not abandonment.
@@forfaerghus8092 same for Edelgard, but at least Rhea didn’t start a war lmao
@@Edgeperor
“Edelgard started a war”
That sentence needs A LOT of context around it, because it misrepresents her intentions and situation.
@@maxrichards3881 she started a war against the church because a bunch of evil smurfs told her to
Sumi reports to Makoto about their losses while Mitsuru and Akechi discuss further plans.
I get the reference
Somewhere in the distance:
I AM TAKUTO MARUKI!
Haru is religious, uses spells and loves animals.
Dear poor Seteth, we will never know if he and Flayn got to eat their meal or not.
3:31
I'm sorry, but, I couldn't help but cackle after she finishes her question filled with rage.
I can tell you what happens, you find out Seteth’s voice actor is really damn good and you feel like a complete asshole, THAT’S what happens
I didn’t think there was another set of dialogue if you didn’t kill them lmao. I thought you had to kill them in that chapter ngl
Me:" Maybe i m gonna do the edelgard road."
*Spoil myself this cutscene*
Also me :" Maaaaaybee not."
You don't HAVE to kill them. You can spare or avoid everyone except Dimitri, Dedue, and Rhea. And if you kill Dedue quickly, he and Dimitri get a more dignified death.
I mean, if you actually knowingly & unnecessarily killed Seteth & Flayn, that is a very understandable reaction. Those two are pretty pure. Seteth being a total bro is easily the best part of SS.
Total bro, who talks like a vengeful god killing his worshippers in his paralogue.
I understand why some people like Seteth, but in my eyes, he’s at his best in SS post-Myrddin.
@@maxrichards3881 I mean that site was technically his WIFE's grave so I can't really blame him for that lol
@@reversequeen838
That’s doesn’t explain the “HERETICS” speech, and “compounding your crimes”.
@@maxrichards3881 literally EVERYTHING involving the holy mausoleum? Regardless of how anyone feels the WC is guilty of alot.
@@maxrichards3881 Well sothis is the goddess for them, she created them - and the worship for sothis was there even before nemesis- since seteth mentioned that be met his wife at a church.
"I will crush them with my bare hands"
knowing she teaches grappling makes me think she means it literally
Rhea, in the early game: 'Hello there, person I have great interest in. Wanna work in my monastery as a teacher? Ofcourse you do. Oh, you found the sword of the creator? Nah, you can keep that thing. I know it's one of the most powerful swords in the world but I trust you.'
*Byleth chooses Edelgard over Rhea*
Rhea, late game: 'Perhaps I should have thought things through a little more...'
*Seteth facepalming superhard in the background, trying really hard not to say: I told you so!*
Rhea:"I trust them, what could go wrong?"
Seteth:"I certainly do not approve. Let's hope this really doesn't lead to unspeakable tragedy."
*5 years and a dead Flayn later*
Seteth:"I knew it! I just knew it! Dammit!"
honestly some of the best voice acting i’ve ever heard
Poor Rhea :( Thousand of years of trying her best only to be betrayed by whom she saw as family, driven mad and killed by a foolish blind girl with a silly idea of a future she can never see to fruition.
Equality is a foolish ambition? Boy, you're cynical.
I didn't know you could even kill them.
More accurate title: "What happens when you don't realize you can spare them because they don't give you the Talk option like with earlier games, so you just have other characters kill them."
There are several characters in the past games that you can kill & easily miss that there is a way to recruit them.
Also killing both is the best option, I had to rewind time because Byleth didn't seem to kill them.
The funny part is that the talk-command is very much in the game.
Wait wait, you can spare them? I just went ahead and KILLED EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. FOR THE EMPEROR!
But I'm seriously glad I did, the scene has way more impact if Seteth and Flayn die.
I have to agree with that.
You’re happy they died?
@@myway24454 I'm happy with Rea's voice acting concerning their deaths. It made her motivation for vengeance even more believable. It's one of the few times your choices kinda matter, even if it just changes a scene a little.
@@myway24454 In the end this game is telling a story.
Storywise it makes more sense for them to die, than to magically survive the battle. I think that is what he meant with being happy that he got his route.
I killed them (even though I knew I could spare) twice because their voice acting is so great. I think it makes though that Byleth can spare them because he/she is the one who rescued Flayn in the academy phase.
Rhea: "Walk the desert until your skin rots from your bones!!"
Byleth: 🙎♂️💁♂️🙅♂️
I remember reacting to this in Discord with a buddy who had already beat it, and I was like damn I can't believe they just made you kill them. That's when be told me, well you can save them if you defeat them with Byleth.
... I had literally *just* saved...
Beautiful
Actually, to be clear. You simply need to have one talk with one of them using Byleth and they are saved.
Friends online: 1
This is why I feel like a lot of things Edelgard did were just... uncalled for... Like why you gotta kill little fish girl?
Maybe because it's war and Flayn and Seteth are the enemy, it sorta makes sense why they live if Byleth gets the finishing blow because main character power but even then just because it's someone you care about doesn't mean that anyone else(and this doesn't just go for Edelgard but also every last character in all routes) is all of a sudden just going to go"hey look those are people I know from 5 years ago, let me just put myself and the rest of my friends and the army in danger just because I don't want really feel I want to kill them", also it's double standard as well because Claude and Dimitri also kill people during the war who are really good people but when they do its completely fine but when Edelgard does its all of a sudden one of the biggest war crimes to ever happen
@@setech4441 This is a large paragraph of facts that I was unenlightened on. Thank you. I will make use of this knowledge.
@@guydude439 glad it helped, now don't get me wrong the mere thought of killing Flayn or Seteth makes me feel sad and I personally made sure they lived albeit accidentally cus I didn't know they could live but really the best thing about Edelgard's route is that you actually have choices like those that let you decide the small details
@@setech4441 True. Thought it does make me feel better that Edelgard does spare quite a few people
@@guydude439 She can actually also spare Claude and Lysithea (and in those fights both her and Byleth can spare them if they get the finishing blow)
the voice acting.... i will forever be in love
I would never choose to kill Seteth and Flayn. I could not imagine snuffing out the last light of Seteth’s life after he lost his wife, and it would be cruelty beyond words for Flayn to lose her father, and for BYLETH to witness or be party to such agony, after losing Jeralt so painfully. I would never wish to cause that.
This is why I always recommend Edelgard's route first. Who could betray Seteth and Flayn after getting to know them in another route?
I feel like edelguard cares about the people that work under her more
i wonder how Seteh and Flayn would have reacted to Rhea ordering Catherine and Cyril to set fire to the town they were staying in in order to slow the last attack
Rhea's voice actress killed it goddamn.
The most worthy of mention among the dead was the second in command to Rhea herself, Seteth.
I feel like killing Seteth and Flayn should be the trade off to keep Randolph and Ladislava alive. Since they die either way, there’s nothing to incentivize killing Seteth and Flayn unless you just don’t like them.
I didn’t even know I could save them. Petra cut through the entire enemy line like nothing. Heck Lysethia was the only one I managed to spare.
After seeing what happens to literally everyone in Crimson Flower Im so scared to play the route, I prefer Silver Snow imo, it kinda feels nice that Seteth and Flayn kinda take the position of the house leader
How is that ending any better? Everyone else is dead
@@christopherwall2121 I just like it, that’s all- plus I get to focus on two other people instead of Edelgard and Hubert so I can level up their skill levels in battle
I like how if you fight the wretched, rebellious heretic Edelgard she just regrets that you aren't on her side and that she must kill you, while the benevolent, wise archbishop wants to skin you alive
Goes to show there's never a black and white conflict
wait u kan spare seteth and flayn
its not clear how to do it but yeah you can
That depends really.
@@frustotamer6231 it is clear, you gotta kill them with byleth
@@fritz3542 not really, the way i did it is you have to kill sethet first, if you kill flayn first then you dont spare them
@@frustotamer6231 It doesn't matter what order you kill them in as long as you kill Flayn with Byleth.
I didnt know you could spare Seteth and Flayn, and it seems I'm not alone
I have no sympathy for Edelgard, sure she has her own “noble reasons” for having put countless lives on the line just to do what Claude did but much worse. Not to mention that CF Byleth makes me physically sick as well Rhea gave them a chance to live and they spit in her face by following Edelgards murder path
Rhea wanted to erase Byleth entirely, leave their body an empty shell for Sothis to inhabit. That's way worse than death.
@@christopherwall2121It is wrong for her to try to revive sothis using her underhanded means full stop I agree. However what’s a dozen lives weighed against hundreds? Byleth just turned out to be a happy accident or in some routes a disaster
@@SweaterPuppys well, if you wanna play the cold equations game, what's those hundreds against the millions who suffered for a millennium under Rhea's watch, and the millions more this revolt will save from that same fate?
@@SweaterPuppys Congrats. You played yourself.
I still think it wouldve been cool if killing one turns the other into their monster form
I actually would have killed them just for that fight. Though in canon, Seteth and Flayn have lost the ability to change form.
@@InternetMonster1 really? ... how?
@@docxy7331 In Silver Snow towards the end, Seteth and Flayn officially reveal their identities. They mention that while Rhea is able to turn into a Dragon, they cannot since they have not done it in so long. If they don't actually change form just because, they stop being able to all together.
Imagine. Flayn falls, Seteth gives out his pained cry of despair at his "sister"'s death. And then, something within he'd believed long lost reawakens, and at once he Is swallowed entirely...
A Kaiju roar rings out, as wyvern lord Seteth is replaced by the Hammer of Judgment, a berserk dragon that attacks friend and foe alike. Hard mode unlocked! Nice going jackass.
@@NavonodSemaj and then when byleth fights him he says "i trusted you! And you murdered her!!!"
Or conversely you kill seteth first flayn transforms and says to byleth something mirroring rhea from the opening cinematic
You're basically a monster if you do so 😭
I guess you could say seteth and flayn have been ... SLAYN
I didn’t know they were able to survive...always one shot them on accident...
rhea: as expected, i am the only one left
catherine, who's been her full time simp for 5 years: what am i, chopped liver?
She's not talking about named Church members...
Hold up, you could’ve spared them in the first place? I killed them every single time
Hubert: "we must keep moving forward"
Friends online: 1
It's such a fun route but it always makes me cry. I hate killing everyone. Especially Seteth's reaction to Flayn when she dies. I didn't even know you could spare them so here I am real sad.
I wish you could keep Flayn and Seteth in Crimson Flower. And Catherine, and Cyril, and Alois...
You can recruit Alois for the Crimson Flower route.
That was the original concept but they scrapped it except for Alois
I'm 50/50 on character/enemy deaths being optional and the only way to find out how to spare them is by looking it up online. Kinda ruins the fun of playing for the first time.
That said, Seteth and Flayn surviving isn't much better either. They leave Fodlan and go into hiding because they won't be accepted in the new world order due to them being children of the goddess. And Seteth still hates the players guts for their choice.
Well yes and no
Edelgard's problem with the church in CF is the political power it holds, the establishment
She asks rhea to surrender and so does to Dimitri in that "amazing" dialogue that basically got translated with that "no u" we all love
It's basically the reason why they can survive CF, Edelgard having byleth near her makes her realise that it's not both the nabateans and the argathans that are the problem, but the argathans (lol) and the church in itself
It's another reason why CF Edelgard is so compelling
@@ilpuntodigf I'm not here for a debate, the only way to spare Seteth and Flayn is for Byleth to personally let them escape, but even then they don't have much of a future (Flayn literally says they'll go back into hiding). Edelgard doesn't really care about their lives enough to spare them.
I didn't say anything about the political power of the church and I'm not gonna get into that here, maybe go try debating on reddit, I hear the r/Edelgard page is a riot.
@@lochnezzRAWR gne because people still use that convo between Edelgard and Flayn in VW to shade Edelgard, which really is just how bad she can get without Byleth
Aah that line, I got it in SS with Seteth.
Edelgards also not allowed to join the Linhardt/Leonie paralogue either (the one where you fight Indech, a literal saint), as well as Hubert, bc Linhardt says they'll be a bother (which is pretty vague ngl). So idk it might not be just one line. *shrugs*
@@lochnezzRAWR yeah Lynhardt does say it but at the same time after the battle he says that you can talk to them about it or something among those lines
If I remember correctly at least
Mostly tho there's a choice where the answer that Edelgard likes the most, during CF, is the one that says if rhea surrenders the best thing to do would be to just remove the political power then church has
See where I'm getting here?
I remember playing the game and not knowing *for months* that you could spare them until your video showed up in my recommended. it was then I had a "...this is an option?" moment in my head
I love how Fire Emblem has so much replay ability therefore making it my second favorite game of all time but Xenoblade 2 is my wife and I can’t cheat on it
Wait, you could spare Seteth and Flayn?!
How?!!
Rhea: *not internal screaming and anger*
Byleth: lol
Hearing Rhea that pissed off is really upsetting but man does she sound cool when she is.
In my first run i spared both because i was scared of the enemies and fighted Flayn with Byleth. Then in maddening spared both again because i couldnt do the leonie/lindhart paralogue in time because it was too hard for me and i needed more time.
Cutscenes like this are why I really wonder why anyone could side with Edelgard
She declared war from a misguided view against the church and even worked alongside the Slithers to try and bring them down
She was right, though. The Church was holding back everyone in Fodlan to keep three dragons in power, committed vast purges against anyone in or out of the Church who spoke against Rhea, closed the borders, allowed a system to thrive which ran entirely on the abuse of the common folk to keep a powerful elite propped up, suspended civil rights, and on a more personal level, Rhea saw you merely as a tool or a lab rat; you weren't even a person, you were just something keeping Sothis' new body warm for her that would go away when she brought her back.
And RE: the Slitherers; so what? Haven't you ever cracked open a history book? You'd be surprised how often the "good guys" form alliances of convenience with reprehensible people because they have similar goals and a common enemy. The 13 Colonies formed an alliance with Monarchist France to defeat the British Empire; the Allied Nations formed a pact with the Soviet Union to defeat the Axis; hell, that's what the Cold War was entirely like.
@@christopherwall2121 I implore you to do more than one playthrough of the game before you start spitting out lies.
@@Sergeikins the other playthroughs support my statement. Claude is the one whose path reveals a lot of this, and I can only assume he gave whatever of it he may have learned in CF to the Adrestians as part of his terms of surrender. Silver Snow is the same, just without Claude. AM reveals none of that because you're stuck on Dimitri's Wild Ride, of course.
@@christopherwall2121 >The Church was holding back everyone in Fodlan to keep three dragons in power
Fair point, but it should be pointed out that this wasn't done out of malice for humanity, it was done because Rhea has firsthand experience with humans advancing rapidly, thanks to the Nabateans I might add, then proceeding to kill the shit out of them. It's not a good thing to do but it's understandable why she did it.
>committed vast purges against anyone in or out of the Church who spoke against Rhea
This straight up isn't true. I don't know where you read that there was "vast purges", but this never happened and was never stated to have happened at some point in the game.
>allowed a system to thrive which ran entirely on the abuse of the common folk to keep a powerful elite propped up
This isn't Rhea's fault though, she can't just stop people from valuing crests unless she just killed everybody descended from the 10 Elites. The Church itself teaches that you shouldn't place such high value on crests, but it's inevitable that bloodlines that give you superpowers would be placed in high regard.
>Rhea saw you merely as a tool or a lab rat; you weren't even a person
This is true, not much more to say about it. Just so we're clear, I don't even particularly like Rhea, but people are so damn uninformed about the story of the game that they swear she committed every crime under the sun, mainly the people who played CF and then shut off the game.
@@Sergeikins wrong rhea had too much power and she was doing a terrible job running fodlan its funny how in all routes she is gone and things get better also people like to accuse edelgard of every crime under the sun as well.
You also lose access to Linhardt and Leonie's paralogue, which says something interesting about Linhardt
People still out there defending Edelgard when she clearly and knowingly wages bloodshed with no remorse. Much like Hubert, simps.
Others "This is why i hate edel! shes a monster!"
Me: "wait....so since you want rhea gone...you attacked me and your friends with some psycho murder hobo as your second in command.....right before shes about to step down? yeah no im siding with rhea before you get us killed"
Death would have been a mercy next to what Rhea had planned for you.
@@christopherwall2121 What did Rhea have planned for you?
@@Sergeikins could have sworn I sent this, but apparently not, so-
By sitting on the throne, Rhea hoped it would awaken Sothis within you, and that she would inhabit your body, taking permanent direct control of it. She was unaware that Sothis was already awake, was in a much more benevolent relationship with Byleth, and wanted no part of destroying Byleth's identity.
Identity death, cessation of existence while your body goes on with someone else at the wheel, is a thousand times worse than death.
And to make matters worse, it means Rhea had no real regard for Byleth's parents' wishes after all. Either that or she prioritized seeing her mother again over honoring her promises to her faithful or to her own creations. Neither reflects well on her as a leader, as a religious authority, or as a person.
@@christopherwall2121 So u are against sacrificing 1 person in order to save many lives? Cause that was Rhea point of view.
Meanwhile people praise Edel for going into a war to improve Foldan while causing war and destruction and death for 5 years.
I can totally see Edelgard killing 1 if it would save the many, Edel and Rhea are much alike even though they might think otherwise.
@@londinsilva5993 sacrificing Byleth would only make things worse. Sothis is not pleased by what has been done in her name, and probably would have been horrified that Rhea just killed the soul she was bonded to in order to draw her out. She would have turned against Rhea and the Church would have crumbled in on itself like a house of cards.
I need a video "What happens if you YES spare Seteth and Flayn"
The amount of people not being able to spare people in this route is too damn high.
Edel sulking about losing someone right infront of her: *Friends online: 1*
I didn't even know we could kill them. I always used Byleth against them because I wanted to see what they would say about seeing them again after 5 years. So if I get this right, if it's another unit that fights Seteth and Flayn, they die?
That’s correct.
Y'all really killed Seteh and Flayn? 😭
..... I didn't even think about NOT fighting them during that battle.
3:32 “MUST YOU TAKE EVERYTHING FROM ME!?”
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Can spare them?!?!
It’s cool that some guys have recently commented. Nice to know that CF Is getting a little more attention.
I always try to spare anyone who I'm acquainted with. Unfortunately, I couldn't spare Shamir... The other one, I don't mind. But Shamir...
I didn’t realize there was an option to spare Seteth and Flayn in Crimson Flower 😬😬 I feel like it fits better thematically with the story to kill them though so I’m hindsight I’m glad I didn’t know because I would’ve. Also, Rhea’s VA is amazing.
Rhea: *tortures her mother by implanting her heart in a new body every few generations, never letting her die and rest in peace*
Also Rhea at Byleth: yOU tOOK mY MoTHer fRoM mE
Byleth: You gave her to me in the first place.
Torture? When did she torture her mother?
@@myway24454 Bruh imagine being stuck in a limbo and never being able to die. Always partially inhabiting someone else's body but never being in control. Tho if you really wanna defend Rhea then she isnt aware of what she's doing to Sothis she's just maniacly keeping her half alive. (Still messed up if you ask me)
Its not physical torture sure however both Sothis and her human vessels suffer either emotionally or as Rhea said heresel "all my specimens end up a failure"
Do you see nothing wrong with that? Sothis met many people before Byleth and knew them for far less time including Byleth's mom.
@@myway24454 This isnt a case of "Rhea tortured her mom that one time"
This is a case of long and exhausting "journey" that Sothis didnt ask for. Sothis was forced upon it since Rhea never let her rest in peace but instead experimented with her own mother's heart.
The crest stone can't die and it has nothing to do with her making bodies for it. It's actually the source of life for the bodies she made.