CRUNCH TIME Before Pre-Patch, Huge Change To Holiday Mount Drops - Warcraft Weekly
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- I explain why it's time to really start reparing for The War Within pre-patch, top players are trying to change huge parts of the game for themselves and we lightly brush on spoilers that have restarted the faction debates!
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0:00 How we know the pre-patch is soon
3:19 Holiday mount drop changes
5:56 What is Defensive creep?
9:38 (tiny spoilers) Hints at future faction developments
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The less I feel I “have” to play, the more I play for fun, and the more fun I have. Cheers to fewer chores!
Kinda same. 👍🏻
I’m the same.
Lol it’s funny that you said “some people aren’t good at the game”. I’m not good, never been great, it’s something I play for fun and joy not to be the best - I have other things in my life that full that need. I have been a casual since TBC (was hardcore through AQ 40 in vanilla). I think there are a lot of people like me.
same. i raided hardcore for a bit in Wrath and Cata, but time ate into that and ive been a casual every since.
@@T.R.75 I was casual in vanilla, cleared the 20 man raids only. I cleared all the hardest content from TBC up to and including Cataclysm and been casual since then. I'm damn good at healing and pretty good as a ranged dps. I suck at melee. But thats mainly because I mained healer for 20 years and my alts have almost always been ranged. The difference between 20 years of experience and virtually none is real.
The difference between casual and hard core is not skill, it's how much time you have. The skill difference comes with that too.
I was pretty serious for Vanilla and the first two expansions. Cata depressed me and I outright quit at Panda launch. Never came back until Dragonflight and no way I'm going sweaty again.
Personally I just think the faction stuff should be tabled unless there is something that critical happens.
So deeper into FOMO hell. More removed content and rewards than ever, more extremely rare mounts that most players will never see over the years. And this is a fantastic thing? Are they trying to completely eliminate collectors? Do they really think that restricting the chance of getting that vanishingly rare mount to one attempt per day means collectors will now take up mythic raiding and start pushing high keys?
I think the loot change is good. The big alt grind was mostly a source of irritation over the abysmal drop rates that Blizzard enforces.
Hey if the Federation and the Klingon Empire can find peace then so can the Aliance and the Horde.
Good example
only problem is, the best times of Star Trek were when they both were at each others throats.
@@T.R.75 by which you mean the entire TOS/TMP era and the first season or two of Star Trek Discovery? The overwhelming majority of Star Trek has had the Federation and Klingon Empire in various states of alliance or at least polite neutrality. Deep Space Nine had them fully allied with each other to defeat the Dominion.
My “factional pride”, if I ever had any, lived and died in Classic. Raiding and occupying Alliance settlement, killing all the quest givers and guards until Alliance PCs rallied and pushed us out, going on massive hundred man raids into Stormwind or Telldrasil to kill Alliance faction leaders. Once TBC launched and brought with it our first cross faction capital it became clear that there wasn’t going to be a “winning faction” so the long decline began. At this point I couldn’t care less about the factions and would be happy if I could just earn a title called “the Diplomat” and take my characters into any factions area and not flag PvP.
The factions are core. They don’t have to hinder gameplay but they should still be relative. Replayed MoP Remix and that Horde intro stoked a fire in me that I haven’t had in almost a decade.
I don’t even play Horde anymore!!! If thrall picks back up as THE Warchief I’ll go back.
The faction conflict never resounded with me. I'm of the Warcraft 3 generation who values cooperation.
Unfortunately for me the faction conflict pretty much died for me in BFA, the Horde literally lost everything and didn't win a single battle via the warfronts and the mission table. I will always love the Horde, they always seemed so cool to me, but its pretty much on the back burner for me. I think this would be a great time for both factions to rebuild. Every expansion we hear that the Alliance/Horde has lost so many troops and are practically depleted. BFA especially made note of this via certain Alliance cinematics. I think this would be a great time to recruit new races to both factions. Welcome the long time allies like Forest Trolls and Ogres as actual playable races and same for Alliance races that would fit.
Got the armor on the first attempt, almost jumped outta my chair at the excitement of this not being a chore that I would have to do everyday.
It’s possible that at some point the horde and alliance territories will get the Bel’ameth treatment. Meaning that the opposite faction can go to those territories without flagging PvP, but they will be “watched”. That being said, it would take some getting used to.
Yeah, it would be nice if my Alliance characters could visit say Orgrimmar without being killed on site.
Our characters participated in the 4th war whether we wanted to or not, but we do have 20 years of history fighting for everyone. Maybe your regular grunt isn't welcome in stormwind but traders and the champions of azeroth? They ought to be recognized too right?
I’ve wished for a neutral “third” faction ever since I got my ambassador title. Imagine being a character welcome everywhere, able to learn & speak all languages. Downside could be they’re forbidden from ever participating in pvp. Id take that in a heartbeat lol.
personally i would make all of the playable races neutral at first and you choose which faction to play as (much like evokers and pandas), the choice would of course be permanent (so they can still charge for faction changes) but i always thought it odd that the races have fixed default factions, (personally i have never liked the horde ideals put forward by the game but i have always wanted to play an orc and more recently vulpera and just haven't because my general aesthetic leans much more towards alliance values so being able to choose to play alliance would certainly get me playing those different races more often (they could implement a slightly different racial for each faction so that both factions stay "active")
“Elder Souls” Omg, I’m dyingggg
Also, the less I feel like blizz is making me play to stay “caught up” the more I want to play. Am busy, and being behind with an insurmountable amount of progress is not fun. So I often play the first month or 2 get max level, to LFR and the dungeons and then watch videos about everything else. I mean I am married, 5 kids, and I’m in the army… my time is precious and if wow doesn’t respect It, then I have other places that take my time.
Ah yes, expecting the world to accommodate your personal choices and no one else's because you're actually the center of the universe.
@@itscthuwu5125 hey, it’s nice to meet you.. I am the main character. It always feels good to engage with the NPCs. It must be hard to live life with an IQ of 78. So, is that what I said? No, I said it’s nice of them. They don’t have to do it, they haven’t for years. So I play for a month or 2 and then stop. And then play for a month or 2 and stop. Each expansion, it’s the same thing. I don’t have lots of time, I fall behind and then use my free time for something else and just watch videos of the lore and the game.
See I am a LTC in the army and work in the pentagon, so my free time is precious to me. When they build it the way they have been, I just use my free time elsewhere. Which is fine, but as I said, it’s nice of them to add design space in that allows the casuals. The funny part about your comment, is you are doing exactly what you said I was doing. The implication of your comment is that the way you want to play is right, and me even having a differing opinion is deviant behavior. Leave the basement, give your mom a kiss, and go outside and play.
@@RB-jf5ww What a good look, to see one of our elite personnel denigrating a random person on the internet with some of the most neckbeard retorts I’ve witnessed online. You make it difficult to believe your story, sir. Surely the Pentagon carries a higher standard than this.
I mean I agree with you - Blizz has stuffed WoW with way too much extra bloat. It’s at the point where if you want to stay caught up, you have to treat it like it’s the only thing you spend your free time on… but damn, your reply to them was embarrassing to read.
@@RB-jf5wwyou’re a grown ass man in his 30’s, with a successful career in the military and a large family to provide for.
With all due respect sir, what the $@&# are you doing here behaving like this. Surely the Pentagon demands more from its personnel than this adolescent display of chest-pounding.
@@Scuuurbs seriously, so you think that soldiers have no freedom of speech? And actually, I’m 42z. Rudeness begets rudeness. I stand by my comments. All I said initially was that I was happy that wow was considering adding things in that are more catch-up friendly. To which the ass responded with “blah blah blah… so that’s the only way to play… blah blah blah.” To which I responded with a really funny dig, which I stand by, to point out he was doing exactly what he said I was doing - even thought that’s not at all what I was doing (which he would have seen if he could read above a 4th grade level). So… I stand by everything i have said here and above. Thanks! Have a wonderful day!!! V/r
I actually got super lucky and got the mount appearance the very first time I did it today on a alt. Had totally forgot the event was even going on, was close to hitting 70 and saw it under my queue options. 1 run.... 1 reward. Which of course now means I'm screwed for a while at least...lol
I feel like if they want to make mythic plus a little bit simpler in the sense avoiding defensive creep, I would imagine an "easy way" to do so, would be to make certain abilities change in a M+ dungeon, similar to back when we couldn't change spec or talent points in a active key (I imagine that framework still exists) Starting a key could change your abilities to have longer CDs, less duration, or lower defensive payoff (and convey this on the ability tooltip) and then from there scale the dungeons however they want to go along with the curve of avoiding the defensive creep. And this way they can alter abilities as they see fit for M+ without affecting how delves or raids feel or vice versa
Having an alt army doesnt mean you are cheating or unfair..still its a big effort to make or level an alt
Personally I don't see it that way, some do, some see it as critical to their gameplay. That's all in the context of holiday mounts. I have different thoughts when alt armies can be used to gear faster than others
Thanks Soul!
I like that we get one try per day on the holiday mounts, it was getting tedious doing 10-12 tries a day. But really they should just make the drop chance higher.
@2:06 here is what you do. you do a bunch of raids on live right now for testing. then, go over to the beta, copy the character over, open the mail from the mailbox to see if you unlock all the xmog you think you will, or you find out you cant.
Mail doesn't copy over
That "not everyone is good at the game" viewpoint is missing the fact that healers are players too, and when the game is balanced around all the dps having a ton of defensives and they don't use them, it puts more pressure into the healer, who now has to heal twice the amount he should because the average dps player can only do his dps rotation. Doing this as a healer might be easy at lower levels but once you start getting close to +10, which is a semi casual level people die unless you can make up for their mistakes, so healing goes from "there is nothing to heal i guess i'll just dps" to "omg why is everyone dying please someone help me".
The balancing at higher level should be coordination and mechanical skill based, not damage, which would eliminate the need of giving so much self sustain to all the classes.
Working as intended.
Well done
So excited about the holiday drop changes. Farming on so many alts is so horrible. Already got my fire festival armor and didn't have to do it 30 times in 3 days.
I agree with you about the conflict narrative, Soul. It feels very stale for me. Dragonflight was a breath of fresh air away from the same old song and dance. I think back to Anduin in BFA when he said “we’re just fighting.” I’m a narrative-driven player; I need more than just conflict without purpose. We have PvP and other ways for ppl to engage in that faction war through contest of skill. I think the way forward is to have a well-developed big baddy that brings the factions together in a good way while each maintaining their separate identities to some degree. I’m glad to hear you say that!
I like 1 chance per day for these things. And what your missing is the reason they call for defensive pruning is because the game is being developed dmg wise ACCORDING to these many defensives being USED(they said that in previous interviews). Meaning they deal more dmg to players than needed to overpower the defensive creep so healers can play the game. Therefore, if you suck, the game is developed to deal more damage to you because it ACCOUNTS for you using defensives, so if you don't and you're bad you die. It's not a high level take or approach to the defensive or healing thing or the game ''being dictated by high lvl players''. It's literally the damage profile in the game currently. Burst damage. Which kills players instantly from 80% hp even in KSM keys if they don't press defensives or aren't high geared(Maybe KSM is considered high level ? If so then idk maybe the take is wrong). This makes it so ''bad'' players can't progress past a certain lvl because of something artificially in the game to counteract the ability creep. Burst damage isn't fun to play against as a DPS or a Healer. No one wins here. I stopped healing for that reason. It's not fun to heal people dying from 80% because of unavoidable dmg because they didn't anticipate damage coming... idk. + The idea that I have all the tools as a DPS needed to not die removes from the immersion of the MMORPG of having to rely on party members... Just makes it more of a solo game then... imo that's not a good direction...
The thing about the faction conflict is that there's no justification for war between Alliance and Horde that wouldn't amount to one or both sides doing bad things and having us back them up.
It's like, what have the wars irl been like? What are the usual motives? Greed, hate, pride... The whole point of Pandaria was showing that all-out war comes from bad stuff. The Sha and Garrosh were the representation of "War".
At this point, what justification can be to raise weapons against each other when everyone is good and talks to each other? Every possibility I can think of can either be solved through diplomacy, or involves someone being the villain, like Sylvannas, and one or both sides be doing or having done bad sh&%.
""At this point, what justification can be to raise weapons against each other when everyone is good and talks to each other? ""
Fun. And not have to deal with Problems in the future that other Nations cna cause. Again, its Warcraft, not Peacecraft. So you have to invent more and more "bad" Guys to foght against according to your wish.
I agree with your take about the factions seeming redundant, old, and played out. I haven't liked the "forced" hatred against each other until we have to join hands, sing kumbaya, and defeat the main big bad. Perhaps little skirmishes over small areas that don't matter much would be fine as in the pvp battlegrounds, but for regular pve... it just doesn't seem to fit the story anymore.
And you absolutely nailed it when you said, it was pointless because neither side can EVER win. You would alienate the other half of the player base. So, what can we do? I am open for suggestions.
Blizz went ahead and encouraged us to make an alt army. Just to take away the reason for having an alt army (once an account lock outs).
1 try per day with bad luck protection is sooo much better. Having to run over and over is just not fun, if you don't get the mount cosmetic it is what it is, at least you don't have to feel like you missed out because you didn't do something that just isn't fun.
Until you forget to run it for a few days like I did and now there's not backup way to make up those odds.
@@willythemailboy2 yeah the option to save up attempts to do all on one day during the event wouldn't hurt for those with time commitments
I expect Midnight to be like the Wrathgate, like you said, as we would unite against the Void, although it could/would be interesting if they wanted to, make it so that one could choose to side with the Void or the Light in that coming fight, and then we could/would have a new factional war with 2 sides going at it again.
Ohh sh*t I totally forgot the mage tower too... More FOMO on my to do list
I'm relatively sure blizzard have said that tmogs from bags & banks will be retroactively added to your collection upon warbands being implemented. Going off this, there's really no need to stock your mailbox with items.
You think I can fit thousands of items in my bags, bank and void storage? ha
@@SoulSoBreezy Haha I'll do you one better. Better call in the "Diablo Red Shirt Guy"*, bcuz I'm going to hit you with: Do you not have alts? ;P
Is the daily/account also for the Scythe drop? I figured you can still get that from the green bags, no?
i started playing in tbc, so i was balls deep in the 'set aside our differences to take down a bigger threat' schtick.
the faction war has always felt forced to me, in wrath it was a bit of a skirmish with areas like grizzy hills and the vindictive a-holes on both sides refusing to put aside their differences to work together(ignore whatever the fuck was going on in icc, seriously why were we blowing each other up while on the way to kick the lich kings ass), and that worked great and should be the way faction 'friction' is in the future.
there should be friction, faction leaders butting heads and the occasional skirmish but the majority of the horde and alliance should simply leave each other alone.
The game should have always been geared towards the majority of how people play, not high end mythic players. Regarding the factions, I say keep them since they're more or less nation states, but get rid of the stupid language barrier and make the opposite faction capitals someplace you can go, but there's always someone watching you in case you dork something up.
I really am all for only needing to do the holiday event once a day this is a good thing for everyone I believe, no more running it for hours a day for two weeks only to come to the last day and still not get that mount you’ve been trying to get for eighteen or twenty years. I’m also for the drop rate being raised because if you still haven’t gotten something after twenty years it doesn’t look like it will ever drop. I’m also 100% for the horde and alliance beef to rear up again it’s suppose to be that way it’s suppose to be good against evil the horde and alliance are only working together to try and prevent Azeroth from being destroyed and wiping out everyone when the alliance is suppose to win and wipe out all evil from the world including the horde.
Super stoked, looks great and can’t wait for all the mounts to “skyride”
Look, I'm not the most traditional guy. As a 42 year old, tradition is gaining on me.
That said, I don't think the factions should dissipate. I'm all for factions working together. I don't think the factions should go away all together.
The two factions, in my opinion, are embedded in the DNA of the game. It is so deeply a part of the identity of the game.
TLDR: Work together, don't fuck with the factions.
I want it to go somewhere along the lines of the Monty v Patton rivalry on the western front, where it wasn't an issue of actively fighting one another but rather fighting for pride of taking down the enemy first, and maybe sabotaging the other guy a little bit to get an edge.
Yeah. I was hoping there would be a world war against the Naga
got the appearance on my first kill of ahune lol
I have to agree with the horde vs alliance is all but done, I just cant see how they could spin this where the conflict would suddenly feel meaningful to care. I do think there is an opportunity to branch out from horde and alliance into sub factions maybe
I am happy about the changed so the events, now if they could put this in my druid forms so I can get the one that I been hunting for months....
at this point, i kinda feel like actual war between the factions just feels stale and pointless, especially when we all know we're all gonna be bffs as soon as the next world-ending situation pops up. the threat of conflict, the simmering tensions, work a lot better. also having any sort of conflict/tension more focused on the races themselves rather than the factions would also be better/make more sense. other than supporting their fellow horde, what reason do the tauren have to be in conflict with, say, draenei? similarly, why should horde pandaren take issue with ally pandaren? whereas, tension between worgen and forsaken makes sense because of their history, void elves might feel slighted by blood elves because they were rejected/exiled by their own ppl, etc...
Running an alt army for a drop is crazy work and encourages boting so the change to things being once per account is welcoming.
I have never been keen in the factions fight thing despite having 2xrank14s in vanilla, practically living in BGs for more than half a year.
I have barely PvPed ever since, and even when I was doing that, I would help the other faction outside of BGs.
I always thought it was silly to fight between each other when something put there clearly wanted all of us dead.
After all that has happened since 2004, I think faction war makes no sense. Factions should stay though to not kill that sense of belonging.
There should be new Holiday Event, says so in Road Map.
The problem is that the more Defenses means the content is designed on all levels with you having these it's bad overall.
With less defenses the content will be designed with that in mind
It's a Arms race.
Plus Healer experience needs to be improved to like Shadowlands and BFA was and to do that Defensives need pruned down to what Shadow Lands levels was. It will be healthier for the game that way.
The holiday loot drop system is a great change.
Years ago when I started playing WoW (2005) there was the side of Horde or Alliance and people picked one side and hated the other side. We came from Warcraft 3. Bud over the years, expansion after expansion, has always been a 3rd party appearing and becoming the threat to conquer the world, and is up to the Horde and Alliance to prevent that from happening.
This is the 20th year of Horde and Alliance fighting for the same thing of preventing the world from coming to an end.
Can someone who is fighting for the same goal be your enemy?
Both are fighting to defend where they live, so they can keep living and it is not like the is not enough place in the world.
If Aliens would invade and the Allies and the Exis Powers would fight together to defeat the Aliens, would that make good, long lasting Friend sin the long run ?
i'm very happy about the change to Holiday drops, that's way better than having to throw 60+ toons at the events until the thing drops.
Making everything a focus on endgame is not fun if you're not hardcore. You say that you do KSM and such things. I don't raid in retail, haven't ever done so and played since vanilla beta. I know I'm biased, but I can't be the only filthy casual.
i got the appearance on an alt today on the first try lol.
Horde and Alliance keep the Wrath Gate action movie type of rivalry. Different methods, different mindsets but same goal.
is the dogs in the back ground your dogs and if so or not what kind are they ?
increased mount drop chance my butt. That was supposed to be the case with the easter carpet mount. i did it everyday on 15 alts and never got it.
I got two lol. If they ever remove the BoP hit me up 👍🏼
Got the mount manuscript on the first try - maybe it is really that high
I understand their thoughts on the one try and done but if I want to sit for 8 hours and farm something please let me. I have only two days to get all of my playing done per week with very little options to log in at all on other days.
I think it's definitely true that moving the conversation away from defensive toolkits would just shift it to damage, where it is still a place to complain.... However I think that balancing around damage and utility is WAY more healthy for the game overall and just more fun. I think it is much more ideal for an infinitely scaling system to be about being able to do enough damage to beat the timer rather than being able to survive 1 shot mechanics, because the former feels more fair and able to balance around by simple tuning and the latter is more reliant on design of the spec. Historically this has mostly been true until Dragonflight.
Not my space, but I'm curious what the team is discussing when it comes to those very high level keys and what affixes do to them. They seem responsive to doing something about it and may shift this whole defensive creep conversation into something else entirely.
I'm horde but I would love to see the arathi empire swoop in and say this is our land (the eastern kingdom) to the alliance and the horde gets to then swoop in from Kalimdor and tell the alliance, I told you so", lol.
I think their are to many defensive/to many buttons. Especially group/raid wide. I feel like those should be more for tanks and healers and defensive for dps should be more self
Ok so I wana see war banding in effect to know how it works
PTR should be up if you want to check it out
@@SoulSoBreezy yea but im lazy so I figure best to wait than do stuff
I love the "one per day per account", but I don't get why Battlenet and not WoW account?
I pay multiple subs, so now I'm incentivized to separate my WoW accounts on different bnet accounts...
To me only having one chance a day limits the involvement I have in the holiday event. I always felt the multiple attempts a day was a good way to feel apart of the event. So now I try once and then I’m done? Feels anticlimactic
One chance per day for the super rare drop, but if your goal is to feel “involved” you can keep doing it as much as you want.
I prefer that over feeling compelled to make tons of alts for more attempts
I agree with you, ever since Warbands was announced I hoped they didn't start doing stuff like this. An entire way to play the game has been destroyed by it. There is literally no point to alts any more, if they're going to limit collecting to a single attempt per account, limit acount faction gains to a cap, account currency to a cap - it's all coming to stop people from playing their alts. Which means less engagement overall, and less people actively online. It's why they're making leveling so fast too, an alt actually serves no purpose. If a one character account has the same lockouts, chances, caps etc as an account with many alts.
@@itscthuwu5125is there really a difference in rep, non-power currency etc? Getting your paladin to friendly, didn’t mean your alt was going to start at friendly. It still got to friendly and was capped again. I guess for stuff like cosmetics you could multi farm those, but if they make any caps high enough for a reasonable person to farm, I don’t see it mattering.
Didn't they change the new tmog system so that a warlock could loot paladin tier adn then sent it over to his warband paladin and then collect it?
Teldrassil would've been better if something similar happened on the other side.
But instead in both cases: Sylvanas got the last laugh.
Honestly though: If Blizzard wanted peace, they should've added a third faction.
A third faction that houses any race seeking peace, but still have an Alliance and Horde who fight each other while respecting the neutral faction.
The thing that really bothers me though: Why do we even have Battlegrounds anymore?
For the love of God, please just add an announcer to them, a Goblin and Gnome who update the players on whats going on like it's a big sports event.
I just want some immersion -.-
I'm not convinced that you even NEED to let the loot go to your mail.. shouldn't you still gain the appearance when you vendor/disenchant the items after pre-patch too?
Yeah, probably, but the idea is not to take up bag/bank space with tons of gear pieces.
Mah boy SoSleazy!!!
I think they lost the oportunity for a big war between factions with BFA, now doesn't make any sense, both fight for the same cause. What makes sense to me is some races that don't go along with others, like worgen and undead and conflicts between specific characthers. It's like in real life, when the war is over and mend our wounds and move on.
reducing defensive bloat literally helps lesser skilled people. you wont have to press a defensive every boss mechanic because they wont one shot you, even in heroic. you can pull more mobs in the open world andn ot have to use your defensive because the game is tuned around it
Lol @ characterizing Morgan Day as "henchman"
I can’t wait to sell all the legacy armour I have hoarded for transmog…the great cleanse.
I'm very happy about this loot change, the way it has worked for most of the game's lfiespan strongly encouraged degenerate, unhealthy behavior. One of the more extreme cases as the Valentine's Day mount, the big pink rocket. With 15 attempts per character per year and a drop chance of 1 in 3000, you could fill your account with max level characters and sit there doing the dungeon 60 times a day which sounds like a full time job and then some. Even if you did all that, you would still only get 900 attempts per year, so it wouldn't be that unlikely for you to do this every year for half a decade and get nothing for it whatsoever. Blizzard has a pretty terrible track record when it comes to putting things in the game that were awful and completely unfun, fueled purely by fomo, Warfronts and Torghast being to examples, but there have been many others. If this is changing and we're getting more of a focus on quality playtime rather than quantity, this is the best thing that has happened to this game in a very long time, maybe ever.
Damn I only had alts for mount farming.. now I dont need them :D
Me who just level 7 more alts…. Rip remix toons may as well delete em.
kinda sounds like you may be looking at defensives with a narrow view. reducing defensive bloat will help everyone. the boat load of defensives in the game has cause blizzard to make all the "important" damage events very large/spikey because they know how many defensives you have (and they're adding even more with hero talents.. bleh). this makes the gameplay where you have to pre plan defensives instead of hitting them when things are getting out of hand. having more manageable sizes of damage events, rather than huge hits all the time, would benefit everyone.
The notion of 'bloat' needs context though. Your solo player only has so many utilities on their belt. Your small group of friends and family are just cruising through a dungeon taking hits to the face and using defensives as needed. Maybe lol. Your more organized raid team will coordinate cooldowns according to boss timers.
The conversation of defensive bloat lies mostly in keys where the team lines up and times their cooldowns with cold mathematical efficiency. specs/classes that don't fit in their plans are dusted. Mistakes that end up throwing off those cooldowns risk bricking the key. In a game mode with infinitely scaling difficulty without infinitely scaling gear, it should come as no surprise that eventually you're constantly in this state of taking extreme amounts of damage. Balance breaks down as the damage reaches levels impossible-to-manage, and that's where those players are. Your suggestion would do nothing but raise the key levels higher and then we're right back here again. Just kicking the can down the road, pushing the goalposts back etc. Meanwhile other folks down here playing in 10s lament over how out of touch those players are.
Changing defensives for keys solves those specific problems but also affects all other parts of the game where there is less of a problem or none at all. And as of right now the team doesn't think pruning for everyone is needed in favor of what is arguably wow's smallest segment of endgame players.
@@SoulSoBreezy every time i've heard defensive bloat brought up it's in regards to damage output of mobs and how it's making healing less fun. it's in the fact that there's so many defensives, so now the raids have even more 1 shot mechanics because they want you to use your defensives.
damage sue to come in smaller chunks, where you can see things happening and react, not have them all pre planned as you mention. healers seem to prefer raid frame triage over the pass/fail of do you have the cd's for this next damage or not.
this issue, increased amount of very high damage/one shots, is at almost all levels now due to the bloat. one person can ruin many heroic raid fights now, when that was much more rare in the past.
i kinda hope they do dissolve the factions or at least make them form some sort of pact, would be cool to go to horde cities and have horde come to ours
*NO.*
NO MORE FACTION WAR.
Doesn't matter which side Blizzard decides to hit with the villain bat, faction war _WILL_ kill the game. Have we forgetten the folly of BfA? Do we not remember the fall of Sylvanas Windrunner? There is no faction pride in war, just disgrace and and disillusionment.
It's what the franchise has been about since the 90s. Hasn't killed it yet
@@poshment5435exactly, this game has always been about faction war since the beginning. It’s about time we have another one.
lol ive been farming headless horsemen mount for years now.
And I got it on my third try as a new player at last years hollows end
I mean, if defensives are a problem for these 12 dozen players, I'm sure they've got someone who could make em a weakaura to disable it... My impression from the interview wasn't just that it was for the high end, but for the absolute highest tier of tiers. 'Oh no our golden geese are getting grumpy, no cost is too high to please them'
People talk about Blizzard designing for the 0.1% , and my takeaway was very much 'And we're thinking about how we're going to do it.'
It’s not a 1% issue, it impacts all healers. Do a bunch of heroics or m0s as a healer. You do 3 in a row and dps the entire time. Then you do 3 more and you are panicking trying to keep everyone alive. That very inconsistent nature makes people not want to heal.
From what I read there is you running with different people every time. You can create your own solution too
As a pvper, keep the “war” in Warcraft!
It's a world of war... but it doesn't need to be a faction war. Irl even the 100 year war eventually came to an end. Walls are build but it never stopped trade or even expansions. People learn from war how precious peace is: ask the EU! As for alts, i love mine but welcome choosing which part to repeat rather than which alt to use during an expansion and rush the rest through pre-expansion catch-up system. The game is finally valuing casuals and lovers of world content vs only raiders, mythic + and pvpers. It needs to further address old content and leveling, especially after the fun of remix. I welcome all the changes coming to further secure WoW into a playable game... and soon hopefully one approachable by new players because it hasn't been friendly to them. I welcome a raid story mode and npc dungeons, just as I welcome high content not being compulsory for players with less time, skills or that particular inclinations. Toxicity still needs to be addressed and selfishness into breaking the game to suit yourself at the cost of other players. Eg in remix, bosses that despawn if all players aren't present show tanks can wait 30 seconds vs yesterday speed runner killing 2 bosses in a dungeon and leaving the mobs and rest for the 3 other players to die from as he took his tank and healer out. He will level in 2 hours! But at the bitterness of others who weren't high enough of had the class to be able to run fast enough behind. Why group? Let them solo. Or don't gate players behind doors, especially when it excludes them from loot like in SOO, Gates last boss. If Blizzard does not want to police behavior, then add mechanics that limit poor sportsmanship.
Algo squad
I think Alliance should burn Ogrimmar this time round 😂
Carpet it with Bs
Gamon will save us
Games should never be designed and balanced around the top 5% ever. They should be balanced around the mid player. Give the top 5% some extra hard content that doesn’t really give anything more different than the rest than a title. This will give them the ground to use their 550 addons and min maxing at will which frankly is the biggest toxicity in gaming atm
META comps are not a bad thing when it comes to VERY high Mythic+ keys. The problem is that the META comps trickle down to the lower keys because players want to emulate what the high key players are doing even if it's not necessary.
I don't think that's a problem, merely a natural consequence.
What I think is needed are guides and/or creators that play in that mid game and lead by example, show people that choices aren't dictated by the top players. You and I might know that already, others not so much.
faction war should be there but not a plot thats what makes warcraft fighting on the side
They should make something that makes "champions" undesired and only hired as mercenaries, kinda like a light side / dark side affection or make it reputation based that you might just be allowed in certain cities. You could just click and be a mercenary for horde and join BGs, do quests etc.
Maybe, by the end of the World Soul saga, there will be some unification of the Horde and Alliance, e.g. like a United Nations of Azeroth. There could still be some intra faction rivaleries, but it aligns the story with the cross faction gameplay we have.
WoW player base is wild. On one end u have LFG players who don't even use BR and on the other end u have mythic raiders who r getting soo good a healer isn't needed.
Having not played since SL season 1, this new "defensive" meta seems so odd to me.. Back in my day, healers healed and everyone else took dmg.. There was no needing to time defensives nonsense. What is this, Lost Ark? lmao..
They could be in danger accidentally making alts completely irrelevant.
I mean, I think the design intent was always for alts to be optional. Players just take the fun out of it by using them as workhorses/mules for their main.
Factions can stay as political opinions, would justify some battleground and small fights between alliance and horde but at the end of the day, we should become 1 faction. I would guess that's where they are leading us with the Soul saga.
i almost feel they need to invent two new subfactions just to justify world pvp. Faction wars just dont make a lot of sense when you have these cosmic horrors
Faction wars haven’t really made much sense since the end of the third war tbh. They tried a bit with the whole Garrosh “Orc master race” BS but it was offset by the theme of MoP being about harmony lol. Then they completely ruined it with BFA.
Imo pvp doesn’t really belong in an rpg setting and I’m getting tired of seeing it shoehorned into every mmo.
The whole faction conflict is just dumb, to me. How many times do we team up to face the planet? I get that would fall apart, once. Maybe twice. But after every expansion? That's just silly.
If holiday mount drops arent buyable with a currency i dont care
To me the faction war should not be totaly shelved before we see alliance being the obvious bad guys more than *who started the war over azerite* like it was in BFA cus even though alliance started it by killing the miners. It was nothing compared to what the horde did. So again the horde was seen as the obvious bad guy.
I would like to see the mid expancion have a story where the light crazed draenei show from wod who starts smashing in poor peon heads because they arent light focused enough. And alliance just sees temporary old allies who joins them and dosent realize they are bad before they see how Crazed Turalyon have become as he is such a light fanatic.
Because if we think about it. The light seems to be a heavy thing for the Arathi we come across so it is a light army there. Turalyon and his light forged draenei. Velen and his people who are also light focused along with Argent crusade. Now add in Yrel and her light army coming trough the portal. We then have an amazing story which the alliance is the ultimate bad guy. Because they have realy heavily started the war and only the champions and few others understands their mistake and therefor needs help in taking down Yrel and Tyralion. An epic horde war drumming chanse to show their good side and to be the good guys who can stand proud with their heads lifted high
This is sorely needed after Cata. Mop. Wod. Bfa. Where all of them have made horde look bad as they have been the reason for War. (Wod is obviously because we didnt stop Garrosh sooner) that again is on us in my opinion
Horde invaded Azeroth, killed a ton of People. They where the Bad Guys from the Start all along.
@@your-username-here2308 they were desperate and hoped azeroth would be a easy world to fight to get a new place to live. Alliance have shown time and time again that they are not full good guys by enslaving pandaren in MOP. taking orcs into barracks and then leaving them to pretty much die a worse ending than they dieing on their own world as it would be quicker death. and how they treated the other humans who built SW back up. Horde have Belfs tauren. trolls. undead. you pretty much throw horde ounder one thing that orcs did. and then determine that they are full bad guys when they realy are not. there is plenty of good things that the horde has done and they value Honor and respect and courage. that we see alliance being all good is just annoying cus the races there are not perfect either. but so far in the lore blizz have made them seem like the 100% good guys when they are not
@@ayasemisaki8309 To me its like saying the Nazis ar enot really the bad Guys because they gave People jobs and not alll was that bad.
And in the end, its a Game, so f them !
@@ayasemisaki8309 They literlly have a Race in there Ranks who screams Death to the living and who raise the Dead.
Even in the 4th War they killed Villagers etc.
Yeah, the Horde are the evil Guys.
And what you say isnt even true, even the ALliance and almost every Race of that Faction did also wacky stuff. Saying that OG Blizz or new blIzZarD made them seem like 100% the good Guys would give me the impression you didnt played WC 3 or some of the new Expacs.
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I m saying that the alliance is not good guys. I m also saying that we the players see the horde as worse. Which you also confirm when there are races of the horde like the Tauren who have done nothing other than defend themself.
You have some alcimist undead who shout that yes. But you seem to not have played wotlk since it is clear that the dude is not allied with neither the horde or the alliance as he nukes them both. Overtake UC and we need to assault the city to get it back.
But i will take your coments and just shrug you of as a alliance biast. Take time to make a horde toon sometime and you will see that the alliance deserves a proper spot as the bad guys. And that the horde actualy have good reasons at times for doing what they do
I’m over factions. I want them to end it.
I wish they would go back to a time when you had to pick a side and couldn't have horde and alliance characters on the same account. There was a real hatred of the other faction, and you knew that all players in the other faction were probably criminals in real life. If you found out that you're grandma was playing on the other faction you would go over her house, beat her up, and threaten to come back later and break her arm if she didn't faction change! That was when the game was at it's high point.
+1 for satire
I've played this game since... Idk now... if you ask me... Remove the factions, it's too old, I want the world to be dynamic, living and be able to move on... If you are scared for PvP, there are so many ways to keep PvP... Be it guild PvP or whatever, or Local fights between "tribes" of different races in a area thinking one of the other should hold more power or whatever... BG's could become Wargames lorewise... Games to remind us of the past... Warcraft doesn't have to be faction based or PvP based at all.... We are going at war with the void at this moment in time.... That is still warcraft.
The world is not ready to receive your words of wisdom 🙏.
Some player live in the fantasy of a game that never was, if a universe is 20 yo existing 24/7 it needs to change