I downloaded my vanilla WoW install in 2006 I'm not sure why people are thinking it wasn't directly downloadable until Wrath. I had the free 10 day trial that took the better part of the day to download in November 2006. Good times that.
1:14 I vividly remember buying vanilla wow in the fall of 2006 for $19.99. I remember looking at the back of the box in the gamestop and seeing "subscription required". My argument to my mom to let me buy it then and there was that it included 1 month free and I would probably be done with the game after a few months anyways (top fucking kek).
20 years later and I've probably had a subscription time totalling 12 years. 144x15 equals about 2115$ total, I've bought every expansion, of which there are 10 @60 a pop, 640. Plus the base game. All in all I've spent $2,755. Honestly it's ruined most of my life.
@@peterman8848 Classic WoW almost ruined my teen life. I was torn between going to house parties or staying home and raiding on the weekends. It was really a battle for my social life, thankfully I played a mage so when TBC came out, I wasn't as dedicated to the game cuz they totally fucked up the mage class in the entirety of TBC expansion. We were only good for 3v3 arenas RMP combo and that's it.
@Realmjumper4099 True but there are some things you can't really do over.. going to house parties with friends in your teens/20's is one of them. I chose the parties but was lucky enough to relive my childhood in 2019 and beat classic lmfao
@@Chris-ee5xg why would a teen be going to house parties in the first place? Sounds like a situation to get hooked on drugs or knock some chick up. WoW might've saved you in ways you'll never know.
@peterman8848 you need to reframe this or you're going to go nuts. World of warcraft is a living piece of art and a social experience. There's far worse ways you could have spent your time.
the bit that always gets me about MMO nostalgia, so many people started in the early days but they were in a different age group. "2003, I was in elementary school". In 2003 I was halfway through college. I didn't start playing MMOs until Wrath (2009) but by then I was already a working stiff. So much of what colors people's memories of WoW is nostalgia, I find. I say this because when I hear about what people lament as being lost, it really sounds like a lot of what people miss is being 12 and negotiating playing on a weekday or binging on a weekend when you have chores and homework. I was already paying taxes and bills, so for me, my start in WoW was very different.
hear my story: I played TBC and to do a dungeon in the Barrens I asked people, then we walked to Wailing Caverns. 10 years later I entered WoW again, asking people in the Barrens to go to Waling Caverns, one dude tells me "use LFG button". I press LFG button, as nobody would answer in chat, a few minutes later, as I was collecting hooves, I get teleported to the instance, some dudes I didn't know, they didn't say a word, they rushed the instance, completed it, and left. Not one word was spoken. I got myself some items, but I felt dirty.
@@criztu Nothing like taking a shit on community to have convenience and dopamine hits. The players themselves sold out, they started valuing their character's progression over there even being a damn community to share the experience with. LOL
It's not even the levelling part that was enjoyable, simply having stuff to do and wandering around the world. Blizzard could simply turn those gameplay loops into the end game rather than push it all into instanced content.
I was lower middle class and I could still play it. My family got a desktop pc for christmas from one of our relatives & we saved up for proper internet. I paid my sub to wow through gametime cards i bought from our local retailer with the money i saved up from moving lawns and doing other chores around the neighbourhood. I even got paid by the local recycling company by cleaning up trash around the community, sorting it and handing it over to them.
SoD is as lazy as it gets. They took abilities that we've had in previous versions of WoW, wrapped it up in a pretty bow and wanted us to act like it was something new. Dungeons, outside of the one they turned into a raid for the patch, were the same ole shit, the outdoor stuff like STV, Ashenvale, etc was cool....so why didn't they do more of that? It is absolutely fucking pathetic that private servers with a team of 3 guys and a dead raccoon can do more than one of the biggest developers in the video game industry.
I would disagree with the Middle or Upperclass only take, in 2004-2008 My family was not VERY Poor borderline homeless however we had a single mom, single car, she worked, my brother worked, and I did lawns around the city just to afford hand me down and used PCs just in order to play on our Dial up. Ive met a lot of players who were fairly below middle class playing.
Classic players sure love to talk about the leveling experience in such a black and white way and than buy gold to pay for mage carries on their 15th character
Bro..."world of warcraft was for middle class to Upper middle class gamers". You couldn't be further from the truth. Myself and plenty of other broke ass people played WoW. The fact that it had an affordable monthly sub in order to gain access to all content without any p2w was absolutely huge for gamers on a budget.
No, he's right. This was before the era of microtransactions and mobile games, before skins, lootboxes, cash shop, etc. Paying a monthly subscription for a video game was unheard of. I remember asking my parents to pay for my subscription and every time it was like I was going before congress with a budget proposal... not to mention that I was on dial up, so when I would sit down to play, i'd ask my parents to make their phone calls for the day cause I was gonna plug in for a gaming session.
@@hatearmy How old were you back then? It certainly wasn't "unheard of". This is how MMO's always worked. Asheron's Call, Everquest, and many others all had monthly subs and those were out for several years before WoW. I had been paying an Asheron's Call sub for 5 years before WoW was released.
@@hatearmy There was a lot of sub games. EQ, which was the biggest mmo in the late 90s, was 10 a month. Most MMOs back in the day, years before wow came out, had subs to play.
Yeah its like saying buying lottery tickets or smoking cigarettes is for upper middle class people. A big contributor to people being poor and staying poor is them irresponsibly subscribing to small cost factors that add up to a lot. A wow subscription fits in perfectly well with that.
21:28 Why? Because big corpo investor endgame-capitalism isn't sustainable. It's been solved the same way classic WoW is a solved game. The passion is fully gone, replaced by profit centrism.
@1:15 Thats not true at all. One of the biggest selling points of original WoW was that you didnt need a high end computer to play, unlike other games at the time. Also, higher speed internet was very common on college campuses where WoW was extremely popular. I had guildmates who played on dial-up. Wasnt the best experience, but they still did it.
I wasnt upper class or middle class, also i couldn't afford a desktop, my first 2-3 years of playing wow, was @ a internet cafe back when those were still around..
Lol reminds me of when I started. I had this crap dell laptop that would freeze if I entered any kind of town. Had a friend that would log on his computer to do what I needed in town for me then walk my character back out of the town so I could log on. Even while I played, I had to have one of those oscillating fans blowing directly on the laptop. Funny memory now but the game was that good to deal with that situation back then, and had a blast.
I was so proud recently getting my AOTC Fyrakk mount skin. I managed to get it 3 weeks before season 3 ended and I was so proud of the achievement I had made. Not even a week later I came across a guy on his fyrakk skin mount saying “why isn’t everyone on their fyrakk mount? Are you all too poor to pay for a run?”. Honestly it ruined it for me for a while. I’d gone from being 1 of only 2 people in my casual guild to have this skin and feeling super proud to now feeling disgusted I’m being lobbed into the same group as this obnoxious blood elf death knight who payed his way to get the same thing without trying at all. I know and all my close friends know the weeks and weeks I went into the raid with pugs grinding away to get this but it still sucks to know that maybe the general populous thinks of me as nothing more than someone who pays for runs like this other guy. Id almost welcome a server that didn’t allow micro transactions and swap to it so I wouldn’t have to deal with these braggers anymore
The community is at fault. Paying for runs was normalized and became widespread at the end of WoD with the AotC moose mount from Hellfire. I was never a big raider or someone who went for the best stuff and even I have complained that paying for carries and the like ruins the whole point of the endgame. But feels like that's an unpopular opinion in the community of people who play retail. Even the classic version has been infested with the same people. Thats why bots have ran the servers into the ground. GDKP. Carries. Same shit. Only way to avoid it is to play on a dead server. It's depressing.
You shouldn’t let a random person on an online game have an effect on how you feel about your achievement. You will struggle to enjoy any achievement otherwise. A crap player might be carried in a run but didn’t pay, are they less or more deserving? Does it matter? You can’t have a perfect world in reality or virtual reality, enjoy what you can bro
Bro you are way too affected by this. This occurs in every single facet of life imaginable. You could work your entire life to buy a house, and ypu could be nestled right next to someone whose parents bought them that house, and another who rents their house out to air bnb to turn a profit, and have 15 houses. It is so stupid to compare your achievement to what someone else got I'll begotten. There will never be a social game that doesn't have transactional ways pf skipping the line. Furthermore, with the advent of the wow token, many have abused it, but many see it as their only way to pay for the game. You can farm in 6 to 10 hours and have enough to pay your entire months subscription fee. People in 3rd world countries where 15$ a month is half a months salary can afford to play now just by mining ores.
I was already 30 when the game came out. I started day 1. I've often told people that if the game had come out when I was younger I'd have completely failed out of school. I was addicted like nothing else before or since. I played so much I was in many of the server first groups on my server. Didn't realize it then, but it was a golden era and something I look back on as an amazing time in life.
The biggest problem are people with no spine who still keep giving away money to Blizzard. If you didn't notice what they were becoming by wotlk/cata you deserve being used for your weak addiction
This is the comment I was looking for. It's been confirmed by ex-blizzard employees that that was the case. Can't help but feel is has loose ties to the lack of effort in SCII, Heroes and such going forward as they attempted to push games like Hearthstone and now Mobile games too.
"You had to be rich to play WoW" Well that's not true at all. I was 18 and working minimum wage at a gas station when WoW came out, living broke af in a tiny apartment with 2 roommates. I still played it.
It wasn't a matter of being poor. Rural areas and even moderate towns didn't have other options at the time. Even rural areas like where I currently live only has DSL.
yea, when I was an itty bitty boy I remember asking my parents for wow and when they heard "subscription" it was over, totally missed on the OG experience just for that reason :(
Been playing TWoW since SoD P3 shat the bed. It's absolutely incredible without breaking every single class. The content is absolutely amazing and keeps true to the spirit of Vanilla.
i was poor af and had a collectors edition box set i installed at the local pc cafe on all the computers, I was 19 and working but no home pc at the time of launch
You're wrong. There were "poors" playing WoW in 2004. Hell! I worked on a few peoples PCs back then for extra money. They were playing WoW. PCS at that time even hand-me-downs, were commons in Good Wills. And just good enough to "run" WoW.
runescape membership was 5 dollars to be able to experience the remaining 95% of the game but was still a whole functional game for f2p, not an identical comparison imo. if wow let you do an entire old expac or idk.. something more immersive than hitting level 20 which takes no time at all on the f2p accounts id say spot on but how wow's trial accounts work they're more likely to be abused by existing members than used to actually trial the game.
The key to convincing your parents to pay for the WoW subscription was convincing one of your parents to play with you. That’s what my son did in the summer of 2005 after I had an appendectomy. I was charmed by the game from day one. My husband joined us 6 months later. I fell into the WoW rabbit hole and I’m still wandering around down here. Send snacks please! Only thing I’ve ever bought off the wow store are server transfers. I’m not interested in how my character looks, only in how it plays (which is good thing I suppose considering the Phase 3 WoW SoD outfit priests are sporting right now). I’ve never even gotten into transmog features in any mmo I’ve played. My goal in game is to level and then raid with a preferably low drama guild.
All Blizzard had to do was release steady updates, not make such drastic changes, and WoW would still have the majority of the 10+ million people it once enthralled. It's a testimony to the stupidity of the management at Blizzard that they managed to fumble the bag this badly on a franchise that was steadily pulling in almost 2 billion dollars a year by continually and repeatedly making decisions that changed the scope and speed of the game for the worse.
i mean daoc was pay to play in 2000 and everquest was pay to play in 1999 and they both were 15-25$ per month ... wow been pay to play in 2004 wasnt somehting new dude
30:52 There's SO many places they could put a new dungeon too.... Like it's insane. I'm on the same page, throw some stuff in the store for it and make new shit. The Wendigo cave your wife was in at lvl 7? That could be a new dungeon....Make a quest line for it, IronForge is sick of the Wendigo's pillaging the towns around it and they're sending a task force to go wipe them out, or at least cull their numbers. Make a Boss Wendigo that shamans need a rune for early game too, BAM right there new dungeon for both factions.
I left with the batching being changed because new players or people who had no understanding of complex PVP mechanics were influencing major game changes that change the entire feel of the vanilla client. Saw season of discovery was coming out, saw that they gave every class end game tier abilities like penance at level 4 for any spec priest (literally more overpowered than how it worked in wotlk) and knew that game mode was going to be a joke that ruined classic from day 1. I tried it and could pull 8 mobs as a level 15 warrior and kill them all when in real classic 2 mobs could be a bad situation. This new staff has no experience of classic or what it entails and expecting them to figure it out is an exercise in futility.
I used my friends CDs installed it directly onto one of the original iPod bricks. Then played it on school/work computers till I could afford my own computer
I was kinda poor but had a pc and dsl wasn't expensive where I lived. Played Alpha and Beta and release. It was so fun when everyone was new and learning the game.
in 2004 you did not have to have to be upper middle class or even middle class. Computers that could run wow were selling as cheap as $600 for a low end. you want recomended specs, your buying mid tier, 900 to 1200 back than. I could extend midtier to as much as 1500, but we are talking about wow with cartoony graphics that ran smoother than their competition back than. Dial up transition to broudband occured late 90s to early 2000s.
Ah the good ol days to be playing on a 720p CRT monitor running the game on a GeForce 4 Ti 4600. Still had tons of fun back in Classic WoW even when playing on the lowest settings possible just to get around 50 fps. It's so odd, I had more fun with WoW Classic with a crappy computer than I do now with my beefed up CPU that is over qualified to run WoW on ultra settings @ 4k. It really goes to show that good graphics aren't what makes a game fun.
Sorry to deliver the bad news brother. They ain't adding new shit. Classic is being phased out and they are trying to force everyone into retail. Explains exactly why Cata is a thing, and why SoD has turned into a massive failure, IT'S ALL PART OF THE PLAN.
Leveling IS the game. This boost to 90 now commercial clearly hinges on peoples fomo " wish you were here" simply says " if you are not at the latest expansion last patch last raid, you and your journey is irrelevant."
I honestly think the way forward is classic + allowing players to sell gold for real money withing the game with Blizzard taking a cut. Its going to happen anyways, if players are the ones selling it and can make money from the game it will disuade buyers sellers to do it offline since they risk getting banned and if the Blizz fee is only 15% it wouldnt be worth it. As long as you keep all raid loot or most as BoP it seems like the best way. I think cosmetics / mounts ruin visual progression which is a key factor ro continue playing for many... but mayb there is a better system
Saying something and the saying, that's true, doesn't make it so. In my experience, the majority of people I played with in 05 were minority Americans, possibly on welfare or disability.
I was disappointed that they didn't give Wrath Classic players an option to not go to Cata. I never considered Cata classic, not with the original Azeroth being revamped. At the same time, I'm not sure how you 'freeze' a server in Wrath era.... would players want to raid Icecrown for months and years? That said, I'm sure there would be plenty of players who loved TBC and would play fresh TBC servers.
I was poor as shit when I stole my first computer and stole my neighbors internet and stole enough stuff to pawn enough money to play wow. I got addicted. To the point that the creepy neighbor next door made me do things I’m not proud of to get to keep using his internet. But I got to play wow. Totally worth it.
I don't mind others opnions but i'm just trying to guage mine, am i the only one who: 1. Didn't expect new zones in SoD? etc 2. I'm happy with some futures spells coming into vanilla through runes (not arguing the rune part but just the abilities part. 3. Don't mind if we get brand new spells or old ones 4. Find that WoW atm is at it's best (except for retail) Like i'm enjoying cata, SoD is fun too but i've been busy with Cata and now MoP remix (which i only do dailies then log in tbf) Let me know in a reply what you guys think? I'm not hating on StaySafe or anyone, i think the video is great, but this is my take
he has a good point to play wow back then did cost a lot like having the pc the month every month to pay the sub. first guild i was in every one had a job the was not one person that did not have a semi good job and raids were set around people getting home from work cooking eating then raid then bit of pvp then bed and get up for work next day.
when wow came out dial up let you play the game all the way up to 10 man content then you had to get dsl and there were only 5 companies and roadrunner was the best and a cost a wopping $215 a month i played for about a year or so leveling all characters up to 60 then found out i could barely do ubrs/lbrs because they were 15 man at the time and on dial up lagging before every pack and it wasnt just me it was the whole party dealing with it so a 2 hour ubrs/lbrs turned into 5 hours or so was great times though
WoW was a very niche game and expensive for the time. Not only did you need a desktop PC, but you needed to have an adequate graphics card as well. I remember being 14 when WoW was available for pre-order and my dad was so upset at the idea of the game costing $15/mo. He still payed tho! I grew up in a family with an upper-middle class income. Many of my peers could not play the game due to the financial barriers to entry, especially as kids in 2004
Well….. they hyped SoD with greatness all the way to phase4. So around hundreds of thousands of players wanted to play SoD. All Blizz wanted was to drag people to sub. That’s it. Hype a game drag people in and then take a dump in their face leaving them with a not so good phase 2 and garbage phase3. And finally a non existing phase4 hahaha
I want so badly to play Turtle WoW because that’s what I think Classic+ should be like. What’s holding me back is that it’s a private server with an edited client. It’s too risky.
Risky because you’re downloading an edited file and logging into a server controlled by people who don’t have any legal obligation to keep your data safe or not install malware and so on. This is at least what I understand. If I’m wrong (I hope that I am) please let me know.
It's just like their recash with Diablo 2 resurrected. Project Diabo 2 , POD, and Median (ignoring their infighting) just do this better as private modders. smh
@@Esanti1221 Yeah D2r is one of the only good remasters I played, faithful w/ optional improvements. Never thought I'd see D2 work with a controller I gotta say.
37:20 classic "blizzard bad" take it's not like Bobby has openly said that blizzard is all about making money and he doesn't gaf about the state of the games it's so funny every time people act like they've cracked the code. "Guys, blizzard is actually not trying their hardest to make games... they care more about money!!". And then you see Bobby say in an interview "I want to remove the 'fun' out of making video games" and "My sole goal is to make money here at blizzard activision". Damn, what a crazy discovery this guy made. Definitely needed to make a 20minute video about this. All while still subbed, and buying blizzard games, ofc :) Staybraindead moment
I have been saying it since Ph2: Blizz need to license the IP so shops that actually want to dedicate resources can do proper versions. Both parties will come out ahead.
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I downloaded my vanilla WoW install in 2006 I'm not sure why people are thinking it wasn't directly downloadable until Wrath. I had the free 10 day trial that took the better part of the day to download in November 2006. Good times that.
1:14
I vividly remember buying vanilla wow in the fall of 2006 for $19.99. I remember looking at the back of the box in the gamestop and seeing "subscription required". My argument to my mom to let me buy it then and there was that it included 1 month free and I would probably be done with the game after a few months anyways (top fucking kek).
20 years later and I've probably had a subscription time totalling 12 years. 144x15 equals about 2115$ total, I've bought every expansion, of which there are 10 @60 a pop, 640. Plus the base game.
All in all I've spent $2,755. Honestly it's ruined most of my life.
@@peterman8848 Classic WoW almost ruined my teen life. I was torn between going to house parties or staying home and raiding on the weekends. It was really a battle for my social life, thankfully I played a mage so when TBC came out, I wasn't as dedicated to the game cuz they totally fucked up the mage class in the entirety of TBC expansion. We were only good for 3v3 arenas RMP combo and that's it.
@Realmjumper4099 True but there are some things you can't really do over.. going to house parties with friends in your teens/20's is one of them. I chose the parties but was lucky enough to relive my childhood in 2019 and beat classic lmfao
@@Chris-ee5xg why would a teen be going to house parties in the first place? Sounds like a situation to get hooked on drugs or knock some chick up. WoW might've saved you in ways you'll never know.
@peterman8848 you need to reframe this or you're going to go nuts. World of warcraft is a living piece of art and a social experience. There's far worse ways you could have spent your time.
the bit that always gets me about MMO nostalgia, so many people started in the early days but they were in a different age group. "2003, I was in elementary school". In 2003 I was halfway through college. I didn't start playing MMOs until Wrath (2009) but by then I was already a working stiff. So much of what colors people's memories of WoW is nostalgia, I find. I say this because when I hear about what people lament as being lost, it really sounds like a lot of what people miss is being 12 and negotiating playing on a weekday or binging on a weekend when you have chores and homework. I was already paying taxes and bills, so for me, my start in WoW was very different.
hear my story: I played TBC and to do a dungeon in the Barrens I asked people, then we walked to Wailing Caverns.
10 years later I entered WoW again, asking people in the Barrens to go to Waling Caverns, one dude tells me "use LFG button". I press LFG button, as nobody would answer in chat, a few minutes later, as I was collecting hooves, I get teleported to the instance, some dudes I didn't know, they didn't say a word, they rushed the instance, completed it, and left. Not one word was spoken. I got myself some items, but I felt dirty.
@@criztu Nothing like taking a shit on community to have convenience and dopamine hits. The players themselves sold out, they started valuing their character's progression over there even being a damn community to share the experience with. LOL
Turtlewow is the classic+ we DESERVE! Not the shit blizzard are making lol.
I agree the leveling process should be important aspect of the game. I loved Vanilla questing as a journey not a rush to 60.
They need a total rework of the lvling process, make it feel like a mmo again
if they released it was 1-60 then it would've felt that way but they broke it up into phases so it feels like we're hitting max level quicker.
It's not even the levelling part that was enjoyable, simply having stuff to do and wandering around the world. Blizzard could simply turn those gameplay loops into the end game rather than push it all into instanced content.
I was lower middle class and I could still play it. My family got a desktop pc for christmas from one of our relatives & we saved up for proper internet. I paid my sub to wow through gametime cards i bought from our local retailer with the money i saved up from moving lawns and doing other chores around the neighbourhood. I even got paid by the local recycling company by cleaning up trash around the community, sorting it and handing it over to them.
Turtle Wow team should take over Seasonal Servers on Classic Era Wow. They are too good at what they do.
They already did funny staff to the Nostalrius devs. It is known to better be stay away from blizzard.
I tried Turtle wow but couldnt get over the 1.12 client and all the addons for it are complete garbage
SoD is as lazy as it gets. They took abilities that we've had in previous versions of WoW, wrapped it up in a pretty bow and wanted us to act like it was something new. Dungeons, outside of the one they turned into a raid for the patch, were the same ole shit, the outdoor stuff like STV, Ashenvale, etc was cool....so why didn't they do more of that? It is absolutely fucking pathetic that private servers with a team of 3 guys and a dead raccoon can do more than one of the biggest developers in the video game industry.
I would disagree with the Middle or Upperclass only take, in 2004-2008 My family was not VERY Poor borderline homeless however we had a single mom, single car, she worked, my brother worked, and I did lawns around the city just to afford hand me down and used PCs just in order to play on our Dial up. Ive met a lot of players who were fairly below middle class playing.
Turtle WOW is the best P-server out there , the real Classic + experience :^) for those who want to try it , they wont be sorry
Classic players sure love to talk about the leveling experience in such a black and white way and than buy gold to pay for mage carries on their 15th character
Bro..."world of warcraft was for middle class to Upper middle class gamers".
You couldn't be further from the truth. Myself and plenty of other broke ass people played WoW. The fact that it had an affordable monthly sub in order to gain access to all content without any p2w was absolutely huge for gamers on a budget.
No, he's right. This was before the era of microtransactions and mobile games, before skins, lootboxes, cash shop, etc. Paying a monthly subscription for a video game was unheard of. I remember asking my parents to pay for my subscription and every time it was like I was going before congress with a budget proposal... not to mention that I was on dial up, so when I would sit down to play, i'd ask my parents to make their phone calls for the day cause I was gonna plug in for a gaming session.
@@hatearmy How old were you back then? It certainly wasn't "unheard of". This is how MMO's always worked. Asheron's Call, Everquest, and many others all had monthly subs and those were out for several years before WoW. I had been paying an Asheron's Call sub for 5 years before WoW was released.
@@hatearmy There was a lot of sub games. EQ, which was the biggest mmo in the late 90s, was 10 a month. Most MMOs back in the day, years before wow came out, had subs to play.
I wasn't rich and still could pay for it. But started on private servers to test out. Paying monthly fee to this day is a bit stinky @@hatearmy
Yeah its like saying buying lottery tickets or smoking cigarettes is for upper middle class people.
A big contributor to people being poor and staying poor is them irresponsibly subscribing to small cost factors that add up to a lot.
A wow subscription fits in perfectly well with that.
21:28 Why? Because big corpo investor endgame-capitalism isn't sustainable. It's been solved the same way classic WoW is a solved game. The passion is fully gone, replaced by profit centrism.
ww3 starts behind him:
"STOP BEIN SO LOUD IM REVIEWING WOW!"
My LFG channel has turned into all LFG come on guys more shgheee ttttt talk to keep it interesting.
@1:15 Thats not true at all. One of the biggest selling points of original WoW was that you didnt need a high end computer to play, unlike other games at the time. Also, higher speed internet was very common on college campuses where WoW was extremely popular. I had guildmates who played on dial-up. Wasnt the best experience, but they still did it.
Turtle wow is great for classic +
I wasnt upper class or middle class, also i couldn't afford a desktop, my first 2-3 years of playing wow, was @ a internet cafe back when those were still around..
Maximum (the worldfirst raid leader guy) started playing on a track pad.
If you really like the game you'll always find a way.
Lol reminds me of when I started. I had this crap dell laptop that would freeze if I entered any kind of town. Had a friend that would log on his computer to do what I needed in town for me then walk my character back out of the town so I could log on. Even while I played, I had to have one of those oscillating fans blowing directly on the laptop. Funny memory now but the game was that good to deal with that situation back then, and had a blast.
We all were poor and scrounged up cash for game cards every 2 months, played this game on like a 1999 hewlett packard
I was so proud recently getting my AOTC Fyrakk mount skin. I managed to get it 3 weeks before season 3 ended and I was so proud of the achievement I had made. Not even a week later I came across a guy on his fyrakk skin mount saying “why isn’t everyone on their fyrakk mount? Are you all too poor to pay for a run?”. Honestly it ruined it for me for a while. I’d gone from being 1 of only 2 people in my casual guild to have this skin and feeling super proud to now feeling disgusted I’m being lobbed into the same group as this obnoxious blood elf death knight who payed his way to get the same thing without trying at all.
I know and all my close friends know the weeks and weeks I went into the raid with pugs grinding away to get this but it still sucks to know that maybe the general populous thinks of me as nothing more than someone who pays for runs like this other guy. Id almost welcome a server that didn’t allow micro transactions and swap to it so I wouldn’t have to deal with these braggers anymore
The community is at fault. Paying for runs was normalized and became widespread at the end of WoD with the AotC moose mount from Hellfire. I was never a big raider or someone who went for the best stuff and even I have complained that paying for carries and the like ruins the whole point of the endgame. But feels like that's an unpopular opinion in the community of people who play retail.
Even the classic version has been infested with the same people. Thats why bots have ran the servers into the ground. GDKP. Carries. Same shit.
Only way to avoid it is to play on a dead server. It's depressing.
You shouldn’t let a random person on an online game have an effect on how you feel about your achievement. You will struggle to enjoy any achievement otherwise. A crap player might be carried in a run but didn’t pay, are they less or more deserving? Does it matter? You can’t have a perfect world in reality or virtual reality, enjoy what you can bro
@@Felsparx It's the devs fault.
You shouldn’t feel bad that bozo’s will pay for pixels happens everywhere in wow history. Its still your accomplishment and im proud of you ❤
Bro you are way too affected by this. This occurs in every single facet of life imaginable. You could work your entire life to buy a house, and ypu could be nestled right next to someone whose parents bought them that house, and another who rents their house out to air bnb to turn a profit, and have 15 houses. It is so stupid to compare your achievement to what someone else got I'll begotten. There will never be a social game that doesn't have transactional ways pf skipping the line.
Furthermore, with the advent of the wow token, many have abused it, but many see it as their only way to pay for the game. You can farm in 6 to 10 hours and have enough to pay your entire months subscription fee. People in 3rd world countries where 15$ a month is half a months salary can afford to play now just by mining ores.
When do we get a SS OF?
$90k per year is impoverished in Orange County.
I was already 30 when the game came out. I started day 1. I've often told people that if the game had come out when I was younger I'd have completely failed out of school. I was addicted like nothing else before or since. I played so much I was in many of the server first groups on my server. Didn't realize it then, but it was a golden era and something I look back on as an amazing time in life.
Crazy that an explanation is needed when talking about downloading games in the past being separate disks .
The biggest problem are people with no spine who still keep giving away money to Blizzard. If you didn't notice what they were becoming by wotlk/cata you deserve being used for your weak addiction
I think they said the celestial steed made more than StarCraft 2 or something crazy.
This is the comment I was looking for. It's been confirmed by ex-blizzard employees that that was the case. Can't help but feel is has loose ties to the lack of effort in SCII, Heroes and such going forward as they attempted to push games like Hearthstone and now Mobile games too.
"You had to be rich to play WoW"
Well that's not true at all. I was 18 and working minimum wage at a gas station when WoW came out, living broke af in a tiny apartment with 2 roommates. I still played it.
If Blizzard doesnt do it, the players themselves are going to do it.
(turtle wow)
Target audience: players that want to play an online game to avoid online interaction.
Why ppl call them microtransactions? It's Macrotransactions, some of that shit costs more than my damn keyboard lol.
Your dad was a good dad! My dad had his head in an engine.
If you played vanilla wow with a dial up connection, you were among the poor players
It wasn't a matter of being poor. Rural areas and even moderate towns didn't have other options at the time. Even rural areas like where I currently live only has DSL.
Everybody had dial up where i lived there was no other option, rich or poor.
yea, when I was an itty bitty boy I remember asking my parents for wow and when they heard "subscription" it was over, totally missed on the OG experience just for that reason :(
I will never understand how people accept being fleeced by a company over cosmetics/useless microtransactions.
Twow > BlizzWoW
Turtle isnt classic.
Imagine Twow with classic 1.14 client, if only
Yes! They have living GMs and they are actually helpful!!
Been playing TWoW since SoD P3 shat the bed. It's absolutely incredible without breaking every single class. The content is absolutely amazing and keeps true to the spirit of Vanilla.
Hardcore WoW is the only true classic wow left. Classic Era is so inflated, no one groups outside of GKDP.
i was poor af and had a collectors edition box set i installed at the local pc cafe on all the computers, I was 19 and working but no home pc at the time of launch
You're wrong. There were "poors" playing WoW in 2004. Hell! I worked on a few peoples PCs back then for extra money. They were playing WoW. PCS at that time even hand-me-downs, were commons in Good Wills. And just good enough to "run" WoW.
Don't even lie, RuneScape had membership for like a year or two before wow
runescape membership was 5 dollars to be able to experience the remaining 95% of the game but was still a whole functional game for f2p, not an identical comparison imo. if wow let you do an entire old expac or idk.. something more immersive than hitting level 20 which takes no time at all on the f2p accounts id say spot on but how wow's trial accounts work they're more likely to be abused by existing members than used to actually trial the game.
@@-.-Monster he said pay to play was unheard of. No it wasnt
EverQuest and daoc both had 12 or 14 dollar subscriptions before wow existed
TBC should be merged with Classic, level normalized, on the same server
These are all just points that have been covered to death over and over
The key to convincing your parents to pay for the WoW subscription was convincing one of your parents to play with you. That’s what my son did in the summer of 2005 after I had an appendectomy. I was charmed by the game from day one. My husband joined us 6 months later. I fell into the WoW rabbit hole and I’m still wandering around down here. Send snacks please!
Only thing I’ve ever bought off the wow store are server transfers. I’m not interested in how my character looks, only in how it plays (which is good thing I suppose considering the Phase 3 WoW SoD outfit priests are sporting right now). I’ve never even gotten into transmog features in any mmo I’ve played. My goal in game is to level and then raid with a preferably low drama guild.
All Blizzard had to do was release steady updates, not make such drastic changes, and WoW would still have the majority of the 10+ million people it once enthralled. It's a testimony to the stupidity of the management at Blizzard that they managed to fumble the bag this badly on a franchise that was steadily pulling in almost 2 billion dollars a year by continually and repeatedly making decisions that changed the scope and speed of the game for the worse.
"Give us fresh give it to me" truer words have never been said.
i mean daoc was pay to play in 2000 and everquest was pay to play in 1999 and they both were 15-25$ per month ... wow been pay to play in 2004 wasnt somehting new dude
Yep...I was paying for an Asheron's Call sub back in 1999.
30:52 There's SO many places they could put a new dungeon too.... Like it's insane. I'm on the same page, throw some stuff in the store for it and make new shit. The Wendigo cave your wife was in at lvl 7? That could be a new dungeon....Make a quest line for it, IronForge is sick of the Wendigo's pillaging the towns around it and they're sending a task force to go wipe them out, or at least cull their numbers. Make a Boss Wendigo that shamans need a rune for early game too, BAM right there new dungeon for both factions.
Classic wow isnt classic.
No, but it’s a lot closer to it than retail.
Dungeon finder isn’t classic either. Still absolutely amazing.
They did screw the pooch with too many additional features though.
I left with the batching being changed because new players or people who had no understanding of complex PVP mechanics were influencing major game changes that change the entire feel of the vanilla client.
Saw season of discovery was coming out, saw that they gave every class end game tier abilities like penance at level 4 for any spec priest (literally more overpowered than how it worked in wotlk) and knew that game mode was going to be a joke that ruined classic from day 1. I tried it and could pull 8 mobs as a level 15 warrior and kill them all when in real classic 2 mobs could be a bad situation.
This new staff has no experience of classic or what it entails and expecting them to figure it out is an exercise in futility.
I used my friends CDs installed it directly onto one of the original iPod bricks. Then played it on school/work computers till I could afford my own computer
I was kinda poor but had a pc and dsl wasn't expensive where I lived. Played Alpha and Beta and release. It was so fun when everyone was new and learning the game.
in 2004 you did not have to have to be upper middle class or even middle class. Computers that could run wow were selling as cheap as $600 for a low end. you want recomended specs, your buying mid tier, 900 to 1200 back than. I could extend midtier to as much as 1500, but we are talking about wow with cartoony graphics that ran smoother than their competition back than. Dial up transition to broudband occured late 90s to early 2000s.
Ah the good ol days to be playing on a 720p CRT monitor running the game on a GeForce 4 Ti 4600. Still had tons of fun back in Classic WoW even when playing on the lowest settings possible just to get around 50 fps. It's so odd, I had more fun with WoW Classic with a crappy computer than I do now with my beefed up CPU that is over qualified to run WoW on ultra settings @ 4k. It really goes to show that good graphics aren't what makes a game fun.
24:35 Classic should refer to the base game only where the entire world was relevant.
This video must be an old stream. They added a lot of microtransactions to classic.
i had the strategy guide for like a year before i convinced my dad to get a pc/sub. would just read it for hours imagining what i would do
Sorry to deliver the bad news brother. They ain't adding new shit. Classic is being phased out and they are trying to force everyone into retail. Explains exactly why Cata is a thing, and why SoD has turned into a massive failure, IT'S ALL PART OF THE PLAN.
So I'm assuming you work for the Classic team then?
Leveling IS the game. This boost to 90 now commercial clearly hinges on peoples fomo " wish you were here" simply says " if you are not at the latest expansion last patch last raid, you and your journey is irrelevant."
I honestly think the way forward is classic + allowing players to sell gold for real money withing the game with Blizzard taking a cut. Its going to happen anyways, if players are the ones selling it and can make money from the game it will disuade buyers sellers to do it offline since they risk getting banned and if the Blizz fee is only 15% it wouldnt be worth it. As long as you keep all raid loot or most as BoP it seems like the best way. I think cosmetics / mounts ruin visual progression which is a key factor ro continue playing for many... but mayb there is a better system
Saying something and the saying, that's true, doesn't make it so.
In my experience, the majority of people I played with in 05 were minority Americans, possibly on welfare or disability.
3:08 the average wow players thumb
I was disappointed that they didn't give Wrath Classic players an option to not go to Cata. I never considered Cata classic, not with the original Azeroth being revamped. At the same time, I'm not sure how you 'freeze' a server in Wrath era.... would players want to raid Icecrown for months and years? That said, I'm sure there would be plenty of players who loved TBC and would play fresh TBC servers.
They will more than likely do seasonal servers eventually
maybe if your still playing a game constantly from 2004 you might have addiction problems
I was poor as shit when I stole my first computer and stole my neighbors internet and stole enough stuff to pawn enough money to play wow. I got addicted. To the point that the creepy neighbor next door made me do things I’m not proud of to get to keep using his internet. But I got to play wow. Totally worth it.
tf are u talking about.. everquest was 20$ a month and needed high speed net and a good pc at the time
Good ol' internet cafe days.
I'd rather see more 1-60 content than more 60 content
Lmao when he put out the chart with the wow players type. I'm all of them, except pvp. Strong autism lel
I don't mind others opnions but i'm just trying to guage mine, am i the only one who:
1. Didn't expect new zones in SoD? etc
2. I'm happy with some futures spells coming into vanilla through runes (not arguing the rune part but just the abilities part.
3. Don't mind if we get brand new spells or old ones
4. Find that WoW atm is at it's best (except for retail) Like i'm enjoying cata, SoD is fun too but i've been busy with Cata and now MoP remix (which i only do dailies then log in tbf)
Let me know in a reply what you guys think? I'm not hating on StaySafe or anyone, i think the video is great, but this is my take
he has a good point to play wow back then did cost a lot like having the pc the month every month to pay the sub. first guild i was in every one had a job the was not one person that did not have a semi good job and raids were set around people getting home from work cooking eating then raid then bit of pvp then bed and get up for work next day.
SoD has already destroyed the spirit of vanilla 31:39
okay harry potter
when wow came out dial up let you play the game all the way up to 10 man content then you had to get dsl and there were only 5 companies and roadrunner was the best and a cost a wopping $215 a month i played for about a year or so leveling all characters up to 60 then found out i could barely do ubrs/lbrs because they were 15 man at the time and on dial up lagging before every pack and it wasnt just me it was the whole party dealing with it so a 2 hour ubrs/lbrs turned into 5 hours or so was great times though
WoW was a very niche game and expensive for the time. Not only did you need a desktop PC, but you needed to have an adequate graphics card as well. I remember being 14 when WoW was available for pre-order and my dad was so upset at the idea of the game costing $15/mo. He still payed tho! I grew up in a family with an upper-middle class income. Many of my peers could not play the game due to the financial barriers to entry, especially as kids in 2004
You could play original wow on integrated graphics. I played that way for years on a cheap Gatewsy pc then a Dell laptop.
Its too fast paced now. Not interested in rushing to 60. Rushing everything
Well….. they hyped SoD with greatness all the way to phase4.
So around hundreds of thousands of players wanted to play SoD.
All Blizz wanted was to drag people to sub. That’s it.
Hype a game drag people in and then take a dump in their face leaving them with a not so good phase 2 and garbage phase3. And finally a non existing phase4 hahaha
Just play T WoW.
why does stay safe have guns behind him
It’s not for free, I know one of the guys from twow radio is getting about 500€ per month.
Turtlewow Gang represent! 😎
"this facial expression will sell my video".
well i clicked it..
You think you do, but you don't!
I want so badly to play Turtle WoW because that’s what I think Classic+ should be like. What’s holding me back is that it’s a private server with an edited client. It’s too risky.
How the fuck is it risky? I played Kronos and it was fine
Why is it risky?
risk of what? private servers are legal to play but illegal to host
Risky because you’re downloading an edited file and logging into a server controlled by people who don’t have any legal obligation to keep your data safe or not install malware and so on. This is at least what I understand. If I’m wrong (I hope that I am) please let me know.
@@anyroad5455 fair enough
best part was on classic cDs, that number 5 was allways buggy ....and u had to restart the install ....haha ....just wasted hours on that one :D
dial up connection in 2004? in what kind of 3rd world city in america did you grow up?
I didnt make it past 90 second mark of the video when you claimed wow was not affordable to the working class.
It's just like their recash with Diablo 2 resurrected. Project Diabo 2 , POD, and Median (ignoring their infighting) just do this better as private modders. smh
As a Diablo player since launch I very much enjoy d2r
@@Esanti1221 Yeah D2r is one of the only good remasters I played, faithful w/ optional improvements. Never thought I'd see D2 work with a controller I gotta say.
i fucin luv the most alfa man of all times excluding ESFAND THE BIGGEST PALA but erm w/e take the hit and start a crasude
Never used game guides.
psst... just MOVE ON guys..
cant move on from milking the nostalgia ... oh i mean milking money from nostalgic fools that cant move on .
37:20
classic "blizzard bad" take
it's not like Bobby has openly said that blizzard is all about making money and he doesn't gaf about the state of the games
it's so funny every time people act like they've cracked the code. "Guys, blizzard is actually not trying their hardest to make games... they care more about money!!". And then you see Bobby say in an interview "I want to remove the 'fun' out of making video games" and "My sole goal is to make money here at blizzard activision".
Damn, what a crazy discovery this guy made. Definitely needed to make a 20minute video about this.
All while still subbed, and buying blizzard games, ofc :)
Staybraindead moment
I’m a #4 too. Love to your wife from this girl!
PROJECT EPOCH !!
Vanilla remake with new gameplay just like Capcom does with resident evil
Good dad
I did have the Brady games game guide. It was not useful at all
Poor people played runescape.
TBC didn't need a disk. WoW wasn't an upper-middle class game. My dude you're spouting nonsense confidently. MMOs being subbed was normal.
COA hype COA hype
Stop with the game shop. I would rather pay 20 a month to keep it off.
#wherearetheducks
Lagforge
F R E S H
I have been saying it since Ph2: Blizz need to license the IP so shops that actually want to dedicate resources can do proper versions. Both parties will come out ahead.