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Women also lust after good looking men. I have seen it and heard it. Ladies, we are just as guilty as men in instances. Not all women and men do this but we need to be honest about it too.
I don't think it's fair to say women struggle with visual lust just as much as men. I'd say female lust can be equally potent, but it's often less focused on the visual. A clear sign of this is the overwhelming majority of men struggling with pornography over women. Again, that isn't to say women have less inclination and capacity to lust, it's just certainly not as visual.
*Lust isn't about the physical aspect, it's about the psychological. Lust is a form of abuse and like all forms of abuse the psychological element is what drives the whole issue. As a survivor of childhood, domestic abuse, I know this almost better than anyone. The reason why people have this false sense of what lust is is because they don't understand that part, we see a mere fraction of what happened during these cases (the sexual assualt) and believe that's all there is to it. Because of this, we assume the victim was responsible for "enticing" the perpetrator, this is ignorance. What we don't see is the priming and grooming and intimidation and breaking down of the victim's psychology in order to make this happen. That part of it is more "fun" for the villain than the actual assualt and that's why all acts of lust (pee...dough...feel ya, raype, incest, prostitution, po...rn, molestation, neck...row...feel ya, zoo-feel ya, home...O...sexuality) are deemed men-tall disorders. Do your research and you'll find that the majority of sexual predators have severe men-tall disorders and PTSD. This is what I wish more people understood.*
@@frdgid_cle this is actually supported in psychology. Men’s pornography searches tend to be more visual, with exaggerated features and close-ups. Women’s tend to be more focused around a particular story or fantasy, there’s more of a narrative involved.
@@mohammednajjar2867 god was born of a woman so that he could live the perfect life of a man and be put through torment and death as a way to pay the wages for all of our sins you see he is both
Yes the woman would be at fault but a guy can't say that I lusted after her because of what she was wearing, he needs to have control over his emotions, he needs to see her as a human being that deserves love, it goes both ways too.
@@lullabiesofthedusk We ought to do a lot of things. We ought to control our emotions to the tee. But we're imperfect so that is impossible. So Never forget the grace God has shown us sinners!
This video opened up my mind: I've always thought that wearing tight shirts at the gym was no problem as far as men were concerned, but now I understand that women can fall into lust too! Big thanks to you guys, I will try to be more modest in my clothing from now on. God bless you!
Yes, we fight against lust, too. It's not the same thing, but sometimes there're guys with tight clothes or no t-shirt that... It's a big effort not to look.
If a fit man is wearing a tight shirt or pants that shows off his body, I notice. Many of my female friends notice. And we lust. We women do it often. Yes, we lust over money and status, but we also lust after the physical body. Sometimes I’m like, “yo, you gotta put those guns away! Like, wear a jacket!” 🤣
@Cardboard Cape you shouldn't show off your muscles if thr circumstance doesn't call for it. It's fine if your outside playing sports or something, but you shouldn't have them showing anywhere else. One must be modest and not show off, it's like when women wear cleavage-exposing clothes.
*The problem is most people don't even know what lust is. You probably think lust and sexuality are the same thing...guess what?...THEY'RE NOT. Sexuality is completely natural, healthy and proven to lengthen a life span. Lust is a manipulation of sexuality that harms yourself and others. Having a sexual feeling for someone isn't "lusting" after them. God created us to be sexual beings, that's why He gave us genitals and sex hormones. Also it's clinically proven that we benefit from daily masturbation meaning we benefit from sexual urges further proving that we're supposed to, by God's design, embrace our sexual nature. So even if someone is dressing to be enticing and turn heads, that's completely natural.*
@@starhunter9085 lol your comment is anything but modest, and your profile looks exactly like the manipulation of lust your speaking of. Your a temptress using your body in the most unmodest means to elevate yourself. Is this why you speak of masturbation because you are trying to tempt others to fall in purity????
I am extremely grateful to watch this video about a topic that I over look, and I’m ever more grateful to discover my own immodestly. Thank you Jackie and Bobby for making this video:)
Bobby and Jacky, I love your work, but I wanted to make a point that was passed over in part of this video. There is such a thing as being an accessory to sin, or being an occasion for sin. So yes, a man is responsible for his own sin when he looks at a women with lust; but if she is behaving or dress provocatively, she is a partner and accessory to sin, even if the culpability is different for each.
@Genevieve C. Yep! That’s why all leggings should be thrown into the eternal abyss of hell. Men striving for the perfection of holy purity will greatly appreciate this. Thank you, ladies. 🙂
Agree but I think the point of this video is that we typically ONLY focus on what the woman is doing, instead of asking men to take responsibility for their own response to her actions, which I think is why it is de-emphasized in this video. Just because someone else is in the wrong doesn't mean you have an excuse to follow, and too often in our society that is exactly the excuse we let men in particular make.
This is why she made 2 videos on women’s modesty before this video. I liked how they focused on only men’s modesty since it is important too. Please watch her other 2 videos
Men’s bodies are attractive also. Women love abs, arms and muscular chests on men. Women can lust after a man’s body too. So, men need to stop strutting their bodies around also. Please protect our eyes too!
@@soonsims shoulders are literally there for the world to see n clothes cant hide them so this idea of men wearing tank tops or slightly tight t shirts being immodest is illogical n dumb its the intention n behaviour n attitude of the guy or girl that determines how modest they are
What you talk about is difficult but beautiful. This may seem like a tall order, especially in American culture (I feel like an outsider all the time), but I like these ideas. I also like the idea of perfection being a DIRECTION to head towards and not a finish line.
For a video that hits some deep points, it is otherwise very shallow. Why is men's modesty often centered on the heart, but avoids clothing choices, and women's modesty is heart and clothing? Particularly clothing? Men can and do dress to be peacocks. Men can and do go shirtless in public. Wear muscle tops. Have their underwear hanging out. Wear clothing so tight nothing is left to the imagination. Why is the dignity and value of women always mentioned with modesty videos (with advice to cover up) but men get a free pass? While there may be many differences between the genders, there is no difference here: many men dress immodestly, too. Perhaps they, too, should cover up.
Misogyny :( personally I don’t believe in physical modesty much, obviously cover your genitalia! And dress appropriately for sacred events, but otherwise, I think it’s not a huge concern.
I say this with care and love but I’m not sure much of this video spoke to actual practicalities of modesty for men. Much of it focused on men objectifying women. You said a little about men showing off their power and wealth but not much about appropriate attire or showing their bodies as objects. I know it is somewhat different from women, but could you speak a little more to this point? Thank you!
I think the basic point is don’t “flex” on others (with your wealth, muscles, etc.) but be rather occupied about bringing the other person to God through you actions, apparel, and bearing, which will of necessity exclude the presentation of yourself as an object of lust.
Don't go shirtless, wear tight clothes, wear pants that emphasize your package, or wear wet clothes. (In the Pride and Prejudice BBC mini-series, female viewers are known to swoon over Mr. Darcy wearing wet see-through clothing after swimming in a pond.)
As a widow I do find myself looking at other men, but not for any other reason than, "Hey, he looks nice." As for myself, I want to take care of my body that God gave me. Exercising to lose weight, taking my medication regularly and my general appearance is thanking God for my body, not trying to be attractive to a man.
I think that modesty for men should also consider those who are same-sex attracted. They are visually stimulated so...keep your shirts on gents!! If a lady had to wear a top in the Texas heat to run, so can you. I am a lady that has to avert my gaze. While not primary, visuals can stimulate women. But I also love modesty, thus making it my internet handle. It’s my goal to strive.
Thank you for speaking on it so well! I love how you covered the person's responsibility for their own thoughts, and the "avert your eyes". I was also suggested to offer my temptations to the Lord, that way the opportunity to sin becomes an opportunity of grace. I am a little disappointed you didnt address how men dress at church though, I frequently see men wear sweat pants and logo tshirts that are equally distracting to what might be considered a skirt that's too short. Maybe in a different video.
Thank you! So much I needed to hear right there. I've struggled with vanity for a very long time. This really got me thinking about things. Thanks again, and God bless.
Jackie and Bobby, Thank you so much for making videos on topics like this. I have thought quite a bit about male modesty and come so similar conclusions. One question I have though is: how does male modesty differ from male vanity in this case? Sometimes I'm not sure if the two get conflated. Typically, female vanity is considered as distinct from immodesty. Thoughts appreciated. Thanks!
I feel like there should be a 2.0 video to this one. Many guys, myself included, tend to try to impress with what we can do rather than what our bodies look like. And yes, men need to be careful about lusting. However, flaunting one's wealth or power over another need to be talked more about here.
As a Catholic, I DISAGREE with the statement "A woman is not to blame for your lustful eye no matter what she is wearing". This is NOT necessarily true as it depends on the context. For example, if I'm a police officer and I'm called to a house at 11pm and a woman answers the door in her underwear, she is NOT to blame. However, if I'm in a restaurant & a woman walks in dressed in revealing clothes. According to God, she is guilty of (Lying) manipulating her body to deceive and entice. That is a mortal sin. This makes her PART the blame.
Men are held accountable for things we don't even do. Women are NOT being held accountable at all. Which is largely why the western culture is in the states it's in. We've adopted female perspectives and ideologies to navigate society and it is COLLAPSING right before our eyes. Even in this video, women are still pacified.
I've seen women lust after or felt uncomfortable when men dress in certain ways. These instances happen when wearing tight clothes, pants which emphasize their packages, or going shirtless (especially if they've got muscles). The Pride and Prejudice BBC mini-series is famous for female viewers swooning over Mr. Darcy wearing wet see-through clothing after swimming in a pond.
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People have already alluded to this in the comments, but I'd say, next to visually inciting lust, the other main form of immodesty is emotional modesty. While men are more vulnerable to visual immodesty, women are more vulnerable to being emotionally revved up by men crossing non-physical boundaries.
@@Lauradahl-creations There are two forms of immodesty: visual and emotional. Visual immodesty is dressing or physically presenting one's self in a way that evokes lust visually. Emotional immodesty is acting or speaking in a way that evokes lust by stirring up sexual desires in their heart. By nature, men are generally more prone to visual lust and women to emotional lust. Thus while men and women should be attentive to both areas of modesty, men should be more careful about how their actions may stir up a woman's heart and women should be more careful about how their physical appearance sexually entices a man.
It's "for the greater glory of God" not the greater glory of "me." Fantastic message! And it was good to call out men to control their own hearts and not just use a woman's immodesty as a scapegoat. God bless!
Thank you so much for this! I used to feel guilty when men looked at me no matter what I wore, so I always carried a long baggy sweater to cover myself... It's good to know that modesty is for everyone. Now I will be more mindful and examine my heart in order to look at men as subjects always, no matter who they are! God bless!
Modesty is especially important when someone enters into a church for any reason. Traditionally this meant to dress plain for women this meant covering cleavage, not wearing makeup, or jewelry outside of a wedding ring and covering their head with a veil or shawl. For men it also meant keeping their legs and arms covered and not wearing a hat or anything on top of their head. So when women entered a church if their head was not covered they put a veil on at the Narthex of the church. As for men that worn hats they would remove them in the Narthex of the church. In the modern day clothing which had logos on them and not dressing in formal attire would had been frowned upon years ago. Anything which is considered a distraction shouldn't be worn.
Fair and yes. It's never been required for a woman to wear a veil or men to dress in their finest for mass. That would sum up people's presence at mass to their money, not their faith. I still love the chapel veil, and it can be very beneficial to remove jewelry for women to avoid vanity. It's an excellent practice for Lent. However, there's also the saying of "Sunday best" where you do dress up because you are going to meet The King. In my understanding and opinion, it seems a bit distorted. The item shouldn't be held with vanity but as beautiful objects.
@@burningroses2399 it has never been required ever since the promulgation of the Novus Ordo. Before then it was required for women to veil and Modesty in dress was enforced in churches.
@@rjgle Modesty is a virtue and can not be forsaken. However, veiling is a tradition. The tradition was lessened, thanks to Vatican II. I want it to be resurrected, but it might be a while before that.
Thank you for making this video! :) What I see a lot in youth groups for example, is that the women try to dress modest. They discuss their clothing with eachother and really think about it. Then if you look at the men, they don't think about it. It is as if they don't care. In the summer, they go to church with jeans above their knees and just a tanktop on. If it isn't modest for a woman to wear jeans above the knees and a tanktop, why does a man wear those clothing to church? You can see all the biceps, so it isn't modest for men eather, in my opinion. Thank you for also adressing the different aspects of modesty. I really appreciate this video :)
It's quite the opposite from where I'm from. I always have and always will wear a tie and and suit to church. It's modest, simple and respectable. But I see lots of young women (Granted, I just got out of high school) wearing booty shorts, tank tops, T-shirts, graphic shirts, etc, to church. It's not nearly as frequent to see a young man wearing anything like this. They're usually wearing maybe a polo shirt and khakis, which I think is respectable. I don't honestly think I've ever seen a young man wear jeans in church, but every Sunday I'll see 5 or more young ladies with booty shorts, jeans, tank tops, etc. (Assuming it's not winter, lol. I don't think many people will wear booty shorts in the winter LOL) I'm honestly not quite sure why this is so. Our community is pretty close-knit and most of the families here know each other, but the dress varies so much. As they mentioned in the video, I've thought about mentioning it to some of the young ladies / men that show up dressing immodest, but I'm scared something similar will happen to me that happened in the video. I fear I'll be very kind, approach with respect and love, but they'll get offended and won't return to our church.
@@matthewhall6444 Great that you think about modesty :) I see, I think it differs per group. I understand that it is difficult to say to a lady, I also think that every lady will react different on it. But you do it out of kindness and that is what counts! :) I think they should appreciate that :)
This video is insightful. As a man, I have wondered many times what falls under immodesty for men. Good to know it’s biceps, abs, money, and status. Humility always conquers. Praise God.
Glad you mentioned flaunting wealth. I'd add accomplishments. And specifically that men do it with other men. If I'm talking about myself I'm probably doing something self centered.
In the gym example, according to the point you made earlier about how a Christian man's goal is to look at a woman as a person to love regardless of what she's wearing, the protective instinct should guide a man to talking to the men ogling the woman. The man could easily also discuss with the woman how she feels about the men around her and whether she is uncomfortable. That conversation does not need to include what she is wearing. It can simply be related to her experience in the gym.
You didn't mention the men wearing their pants around their thighs, showing off their buttocks covered only by underwear. Yes sometimes they have shorts on but mostly it is colored underwear.
Men have to take responsibility for immodesty more often. It’s not easy, but that conversation needs to happen much more. Early Church Fathers also really took way more responsibility for their own lustful thoughts as well. A lot of desert father stories on avoiding lustful thoughts that focus more on the man’s heart rather than how the woman is appearing.
The thing that I have trouble with. My weakness is Going out to have a hamburger and fries and a drink But for me that's bad for me if I did it all the time i'm fat I'm age 66 and I really have to watch my. weight.
Thank you both for sharing more on the topic of modesty. I believe both men & women should take full responsibility of their actions in regard to modesty and lust. It's a two-way street. God Bless you all!🙏❤💕
I thought that this video was difficult for both of you to explain. I think that the most common way that men are immodest is through their speech. Vulgarity, aka “locker-room talk”, is a problem. F-word, S-word, C-word, P-word, etc, have no place in a Christian man’s vocabulary. I don’t know of any women who lust after mens’ bodies in the same way that men are turned-on by womens’ bodies / dress. Good attempt at a necessary topic, however.
Gerard Falzon Thank you! Completely agree I was raised to speak like a lady and a gentleman should act accordingly as well. It’s sad when you meet someone and every other word out of their mouth is a curse.
What embarrasses me Sometimes I have to wear a short sleeves hurt I don't like showing off my tattoos When I was young and stupid I got three tap toes It's nothing dirty Nothing suggests a tatanic But I embarrassed me.
I'm catholic And I try to do the right thing Whenever i'm at the gym When a woman does not dress properly It's hard for me I do lust a guy can only take so much it better women cover up .
True, If you tell someone out of love how special they are without showing off. They will take it as judgement. The flesh and worldly mindset doesnt know things of God.
My mum bought me a pair of light gray sweats that I never put on because they get filthy too easy. One day I put them on and seh ask "are you not wearing underpants?"... I only don't hit her because she birth me
I have gender disphoria which means that I a men biological but sicologicly, mentally, intellectually, and emotionally I am a woman. I want to start a business I because successful I would want to date a girl who will love dispite my gender disphoria because gender disphoria defenies me as a subject, but welth would define me as an object.
Question. What is Ascension Presents really saying when they choose such good looking people as their spokespeople. Doesn't it further encourage men who want marriage to pursue only women who are at least as attractive as Jackie and for women to only pursue guys who are at least as attractive as Bobby? I.e., aren't we doing exactly what the dominant culture is doing a la subliminal framing? I.e., it isn't the content that is solely being pitched -- the presenters of that content are modeling desirable frames for us too. If every movie one sees contains men who as attractive as Chris Hemsworth, then we're warping girls standards into not accepting guys who aren't as attractive as movie stars. It's the same with crafting a social media image that makes it look like your life is way more awesome than it is. It damages our ability to accept the real.
@@csapienza001 not with your eyes, lol. I have yet to meet a person and think about them "Ew, you're uglier than the majority of people." I usually think humans are beautiful and not because I've set myself a mindset to view them that way. It's just the way i see. I'm daily amazed at how much beauty there is in the world. Maybe it wouldn't be bad that you saw a little part of it too.
@@damarisi5805 Physical attraction is objective, 90% of people, at least, are less attractive than these two love birds. I suggest traveling more and watching less TV/movies , where near everyone is physically attractive.
@@dianahernandez9219 Ask yourself why- are you wanting the intimacy and compassion or just pleasure and nothing more? Maybe think of it as don't focus on what you want so much as why you want it.
@@dianahernandez9219 oh yes I see what you mean. Yes it is totally possible to lust after your partner, and to see them only as a object for your own pleasure, rather than as someone you should love, serve and protect. Its wrong and evil to use your spouse simply for your own sexual pleasure. However it's not evil and is actually a morally good thing to be sexually attracted to your partner, to want to give yourself completely to them, and the Catholic Church teaches that everytime you have sex with your spouse, you are renewing your Marriage Vows. It is also not wrong to think of your partner sexually, as long as it comes from a place of love and not lust/self satisfaction. I would highly recommend reading The Theology of the Body by Pope John Paul II which would explain alot more.
What do you mean? The problem is that modesty is important, but people are okay with men dressing immodestly but when a woman does the same, they get mad..
When you want to Dress , are you dressing to call attention on yourself or to give God glory ? The irony is, when we try to guide and protect, they think we are judging😢 them. That desire to guide and protect is very good but it's not always seen as a positive thing in our culture right now by people but never the less, be the Role Model.
I personally don’t think men should be able to go shirtless in public. Like women can’t wear revealing clothes and I think that men not wearing a shirt is worse. Maybe not in the world’s eyes but in gods
Another thing when women go to mass They should dress properly I haven't seen that at my parish but I heard some women go there with a tank top And I think that's Unacceptable going to there to meet the lord communion.
Abe Reagan Nah. Women have a right to dress however they want, it’s their bodies, without the any blame of any of the repercussions it may incur That’s called Female Privilege.
Abe Reagan - in Matthews Jesus says about men looking lustfully at women and sinning in their heart. There's no addition "but if she's not dressed modestly, it's also her fault". And they're mentioning a video adressed to women. Anyone in doubt can check that out :)
Im Jewish and a guy. After me and my husband got married I actually started wearing a much larger kippah that covers my hair more fully as a show of submission to G-d and to loyalty to the vows me and my husband took
What is lust? If you’re saying that if a naked woman is literally in front of you and being provocative you’re not supposed to be aroused because you’ll be sinning in your heart? Oh and on top of that it’s not ever her fault that you feel like you want her? I’m sorry but that’s ridiculous. Absurd even. I’m sorry, I usually like and agree with you guys, but “it’s never the woman fault” is ridiculous. She has to take AT LEAST part of the blame. There’s a reason people harp on women more than men. Male “immodesty” doesn’t arouse sinful thoughts in others like female immodesty. Female immodesty is literally provoking one of the deepest primal urges we have. What is the most male immodesty can provoke? Envy? You can say the same about women. In fact anybody can provoke envy just by being, however it is not the same with lust. I’m sorry, but this is just you guys buying into the feminist propaganda being preached at Mass under the guise of “love”. Don’t tell me for a second that the women who showed up to mass with a miniskirt or white yoga pants where her underwear is clearly visible isn’t at fault at all if someone looks at her and suddenly starts experiencing desire. Thats abused and it reeks of feminist propaganda that is continually shaming male sexuality. You have no idea how many times I’ve walked into Mass and have had it completely ruined because before I walked in I have an image of a girls parts seared into my head because she bent over in a miniskirt or the women in front of me want to show off her behind in front of the whole congregation. How is that fair? It’s not like I’m freaking trying to lust. Enough with selectively quoting Jesus. Yes, he did say that about lust. But back in His time, women were INFINITELY more modestly dressed. We are in a completely different situation now. Let me remind you of what else He said: Luke 17:2 “It would be better for him(her) if a millstone were hung around his (her) neck and she were cast into the sea than that (s)he should cause one of these little ones to sin.” By saying that it’s never a woman’s fault, all you’re doing is continuing the feminist propaganda that women essentially can do no wrong and its men who have to change.
They never said women can do no wrong. They said that men have responsibility too. It's not ~feminist propaganda~ to expect men to be responsible LOL. That is a completely ridiculous argument to make. Plus this channel has WAY more videos focused on women being modest (of course) so I hardly think a 7 minute video asking men to merely think about their responsibility is cause for outrage. Just take a deep breath and calm down. You sound like a MAJOR victim here, and ultimately that kind of attitude won't get you anywhere in life.
Sorry, but that is essentially giving women license by telling a woman that she can do whatever she wants without incurring any guilt or blame for the sexual arousal or desires someone else receives from her dress. You can’t tell a woman in one breath that she is in no way culpable and at the same time tell her to dress modestly. It’s a contradiction. I also never said men don’t have a responsibility. Of course they do. But within reason for crying out loud.
But hey, thanks for the sneaky little ad hominem jab there about the “MAJOR victim complex”. “If they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.” - Margaret Thatcher (a woman) Thank tho for mischaracterizing my argument. Smearing is very Christian. Thank you for your witness.
Erin Symone Maybe pay attention to what they said in the video. They said that it doesn’t matter what a woman wears or even if she was naked in front of you, it still wouldn’t be her fault for whatever you may feel. It is based on feminist propaganda. Ever heard of “my body, my choice”? That’s all about not being liable for whatever you do with your body or how it may affect others because it’s “my body”
This was really cringe, catholic doctrine poisoned with feminism. If a woman leads her brother to sin beacause of her immodest dress, both sin mortally. The man has no excuse for sinning, but if he does the woman shares his guilt.
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Women also lust after good looking men. I have seen it and heard it. Ladies, we are just as guilty as men in instances. Not all women and men do this but we need to be honest about it too.
I don't think it's fair to say women struggle with visual lust just as much as men. I'd say female lust can be equally potent, but it's often less focused on the visual. A clear sign of this is the overwhelming majority of men struggling with pornography over women. Again, that isn't to say women have less inclination and capacity to lust, it's just certainly not as visual.
*Lust isn't about the physical aspect, it's about the psychological. Lust is a form of abuse and like all forms of abuse the psychological element is what drives the whole issue. As a survivor of childhood, domestic abuse, I know this almost better than anyone. The reason why people have this false sense of what lust is is because they don't understand that part, we see a mere fraction of what happened during these cases (the sexual assualt) and believe that's all there is to it. Because of this, we assume the victim was responsible for "enticing" the perpetrator, this is ignorance. What we don't see is the priming and grooming and intimidation and breaking down of the victim's psychology in order to make this happen. That part of it is more "fun" for the villain than the actual assualt and that's why all acts of lust (pee...dough...feel ya, raype, incest, prostitution, po...rn, molestation, neck...row...feel ya, zoo-feel ya, home...O...sexuality) are deemed men-tall disorders. Do your research and you'll find that the majority of sexual predators have severe men-tall disorders and PTSD. This is what I wish more people understood.*
@@frdgid_cle Nonsense
@@frdgid_cle this is actually supported in psychology. Men’s pornography searches tend to be more visual, with exaggerated features and close-ups. Women’s tend to be more focused around a particular story or fantasy, there’s more of a narrative involved.
Wow, guys being held accountable for modesty too! How refreshing.
@Aerus KoruvoJesus is Allah 🙏🏻
@@BruceWayne-po5kf Decide, is he the son of God or God himself
@@mohammednajjar2867 he is both
@@trentgarland522 Doesn't make sense? How is he both? If Jesus is God then your God is dead
@@mohammednajjar2867 god was born of a woman so that he could live the perfect life of a man and be put through torment and death as a way to pay the wages for all of our sins you see he is both
"It does not matter what a woman is wearing, guys, she is not responsible for the sin of your heart." (4:25) Actually, she shares in your sin.
I was about to say the same thing lol. The Church literally teaches that (about not causing your brother to sin).
@@BeefyBoyWonder or sister
I was going to say the same thing. She shares in that sin, which is why it's important to be modest around others!
Yes the woman would be at fault but a guy can't say that I lusted after her because of what she was wearing, he needs to have control over his emotions, he needs to see her as a human being that deserves love, it goes both ways too.
@@lullabiesofthedusk We ought to do a lot of things. We ought to control our emotions to the tee. But we're imperfect so that is impossible. So Never forget the grace God has shown us sinners!
This video opened up my mind: I've always thought that wearing tight shirts at the gym was no problem as far as men were concerned, but now I understand that women can fall into lust too! Big thanks to you guys, I will try to be more modest in my clothing from now on. God bless you!
are you fr rn?
Yes, we fight against lust, too. It's not the same thing, but sometimes there're guys with tight clothes or no t-shirt that... It's a big effort not to look.
Modesty is pointing to God, immodesty is pointing to me.
Perfect description. Thanks for the video.
If a fit man is wearing a tight shirt or pants that shows off his body, I notice. Many of my female friends notice. And we lust. We women do it often. Yes, we lust over money and status, but we also lust after the physical body. Sometimes I’m like, “yo, you gotta put those guns away! Like, wear a jacket!” 🤣
@Cardboard Cape you shouldn't show off your muscles if thr circumstance doesn't call for it. It's fine if your outside playing sports or something, but you shouldn't have them showing anywhere else. One must be modest and not show off, it's like when women wear cleavage-exposing clothes.
*The problem is most people don't even know what lust is. You probably think lust and sexuality are the same thing...guess what?...THEY'RE NOT. Sexuality is completely natural, healthy and proven to lengthen a life span. Lust is a manipulation of sexuality that harms yourself and others. Having a sexual feeling for someone isn't "lusting" after them. God created us to be sexual beings, that's why He gave us genitals and sex hormones. Also it's clinically proven that we benefit from daily masturbation meaning we benefit from sexual urges further proving that we're supposed to, by God's design, embrace our sexual nature. So even if someone is dressing to be enticing and turn heads, that's completely natural.*
@@starhunter9085 lol your comment is anything but modest, and your profile looks exactly like the manipulation of lust your speaking of.
Your a temptress using your body in the most unmodest means to elevate yourself.
Is this why you speak of masturbation because you are trying to tempt others to fall in purity????
@@starhunter9085 don't be of the world be of God
@@starhunter9085 coom brain cope
Going to Mass shouldn’t be a near occasion of sin.
You need to guard your own thoughts and avert your eyes as well, they are not responsible for your thoughts you are.
@@casceh36 in a sense yes, be responsible for yourself, but I suggest you read 1 Corinthians 8:13, Luke 17:1-4, Malachi 2:8
I am extremely grateful to watch this video about a topic that I over look, and I’m ever more grateful to discover my own immodestly. Thank you Jackie and Bobby for making this video:)
i appreciate that you are addressing this. i wish you would have also talked about dressing modestly as men. as women, we struggle a lot with lust too
Agree
"His beard causes me to stubble." 🤣👍😜
That really is the goal. May God grant us grace to see people as subjects and not objects.
“Magnificat anima mea Dominum...”) “My soul magnifies the Lord.”
Amen, sister.
Thanks y’all. Have a beautiful day. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you for the insight, this has been a blessing. Love you guys! 🙏🏻 God bless you! 🙏🏻
Bobby and Jacky, I love your work, but I wanted to make a point that was passed over in part of this video. There is such a thing as being an accessory to sin, or being an occasion for sin. So yes, a man is responsible for his own sin when he looks at a women with lust; but if she is behaving or dress provocatively, she is a partner and accessory to sin, even if the culpability is different for each.
Thank you. Women can't not know the effect of revealing dress.
@Genevieve C. Yep! That’s why all leggings should be thrown into the eternal abyss of hell. Men striving for the perfection of holy purity will greatly appreciate this. Thank you, ladies. 🙂
Agree but I think the point of this video is that we typically ONLY focus on what the woman is doing, instead of asking men to take responsibility for their own response to her actions, which I think is why it is de-emphasized in this video. Just because someone else is in the wrong doesn't mean you have an excuse to follow, and too often in our society that is exactly the excuse we let men in particular make.
Erin Symone I don’t think so I think women’s modesty is often downplayed for fear of driving people away
This is why she made 2 videos on women’s modesty before this video. I liked how they focused on only men’s modesty since it is important too. Please watch her other 2 videos
Men’s bodies are attractive also. Women love abs, arms and muscular chests on men. Women can lust after a man’s body too. So, men need to stop strutting their bodies around also. Please protect our eyes too!
Most men don't show off these things, we tend to peacock our wealth, power and items.
@@jamesmerone Cause most men don't have these. If you had abs and a nice body I bet you'd show it off too.
As a teen girl, yes!!!!! 😳
@Niko Okin Yeah shoulders, triceps and chest are far more important to looking good to women than biceps IMO.
@@soonsims shoulders are literally there for the world to see n clothes cant hide them so this idea of men wearing tank tops or slightly tight t shirts being immodest is illogical n dumb its the intention n behaviour n attitude of the guy or girl that determines how modest they are
What you talk about is difficult but beautiful. This may seem like a tall order, especially in American culture (I feel like an outsider all the time), but I like these ideas. I also like the idea of perfection being a DIRECTION to head towards and not a finish line.
Modesty for men is more related to speech and things with double meanings.
But also physics, men do wear clothing that are way to immodest and they don't get Reprihended like women does?
@@revivalist_avivador_Jad Is that a question or a statement?
Grammar is important.
For a video that hits some deep points, it is otherwise very shallow. Why is men's modesty often centered on the heart, but avoids clothing choices, and women's modesty is heart and clothing? Particularly clothing? Men can and do dress to be peacocks. Men can and do go shirtless in public. Wear muscle tops. Have their underwear hanging out. Wear clothing so tight nothing is left to the imagination.
Why is the dignity and value of women always mentioned with modesty videos (with advice to cover up) but men get a free pass? While there may be many differences between the genders, there is no difference here: many men dress immodestly, too. Perhaps they, too, should cover up.
Misogyny :( personally I don’t believe in physical modesty much, obviously cover your genitalia! And dress appropriately for sacred events, but otherwise, I think it’s not a huge concern.
Money and profit killed modesty imo. Sex sells that's why models and fashion male and female got more and more immodest. Just my opinion
I say this with care and love but I’m not sure much of this video spoke to actual practicalities of modesty for men. Much of it focused on men objectifying women. You said a little about men showing off their power and wealth but not much about appropriate attire or showing their bodies as objects. I know it is somewhat different from women, but could you speak a little more to this point? Thank you!
James Whitaker Exactly! Very poor video in my eyes.
I think the basic point is don’t “flex” on others (with your wealth, muscles, etc.) but be rather occupied about bringing the other person to God through you actions, apparel, and bearing, which will of necessity exclude the presentation of yourself as an object of lust.
Right
Don't go shirtless, wear tight clothes, wear pants that emphasize your package, or wear wet clothes. (In the Pride and Prejudice BBC mini-series, female viewers are known to swoon over Mr. Darcy wearing wet see-through clothing after swimming in a pond.)
As a widow I do find myself looking at other men, but not for any other reason than, "Hey, he looks nice." As for myself, I want to take care of my body that God gave me. Exercising to lose weight, taking my medication regularly and my general appearance is thanking God for my body, not trying to be attractive to a man.
I think that modesty for men should also consider those who are same-sex attracted. They are visually stimulated so...keep your shirts on gents!! If a lady had to wear a top in the Texas heat to run, so can you. I am a lady that has to avert my gaze. While not primary, visuals can stimulate women. But I also love modesty, thus making it my internet handle. It’s my goal to strive.
I think people wayyyy underestimate how much women get visually stimulated! Just my two cents
@@hollyt9826 they do but it is corrupted
I love this video!! Your channel is great :)
Been looking for something like this. Thank you!
Thank you for speaking on it so well! I love how you covered the person's responsibility for their own thoughts, and the "avert your eyes". I was also suggested to offer my temptations to the Lord, that way the opportunity to sin becomes an opportunity of grace.
I am a little disappointed you didnt address how men dress at church though, I frequently see men wear sweat pants and logo tshirts that are equally distracting to what might be considered a skirt that's too short. Maybe in a different video.
Yes! Men (&women) need to dress properly at Mass
Thank you for this video!
“We think “. Lol. Yes comments can stir up all the emotions. Great vid. Thankyou both. God bless
idk how i ended up here but i learned a lot from this, thank you
Thank you! So much I needed to hear right there. I've struggled with vanity for a very long time. This really got me thinking about things. Thanks again, and God bless.
Jackie and Bobby, Thank you so much for making videos on topics like this. I have thought quite a bit about male modesty and come so similar conclusions. One question I have though is: how does male modesty differ from male vanity in this case? Sometimes I'm not sure if the two get conflated. Typically, female vanity is considered as distinct from immodesty. Thoughts appreciated. Thanks!
I feel like there should be a 2.0 video to this one. Many guys, myself included, tend to try to impress with what we can do rather than what our bodies look like. And yes, men need to be careful about lusting. However, flaunting one's wealth or power over another need to be talked more about here.
Yes. But you shouldn't dress like you are poorer than you are. If you are rich, dress like it. If you are poor, don't flaunt around designer clothing.
As a Catholic, I DISAGREE with the statement "A woman is not to blame for your lustful eye no matter what she is wearing". This is NOT necessarily true as it depends on the context. For example, if I'm a police officer and I'm called to a house at 11pm and a woman answers the door in her underwear, she is NOT to blame. However, if I'm in a restaurant & a woman walks in dressed in revealing clothes. According to God, she is guilty of (Lying) manipulating her body to deceive and entice. That is a mortal sin. This makes her PART the blame.
Yes...finally, a video holding men accountable for their thoughts, attitudes and actions concerning modesty.
Men are held accountable for things we don't even do. Women are NOT being held accountable at all. Which is largely why the western culture is in the states it's in. We've adopted female perspectives and ideologies to navigate society and it is COLLAPSING right before our eyes. Even in this video, women are still pacified.
Men’s bodies can also be very beautiful
Thank you
Great video. I’ve often wondered about the modesty discussion related to men and how that compares to women.
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God bless your dignified view in the great spirit of Christ our Lord.
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I've seen women lust after or felt uncomfortable when men dress in certain ways. These instances happen when wearing tight clothes, pants which emphasize their packages, or going shirtless (especially if they've got muscles). The Pride and Prejudice BBC mini-series is famous for female viewers swooning over Mr. Darcy wearing wet see-through clothing after swimming in a pond.
This issue could mostly be dealt with if people would just put on some clothes 😂
What if you’re a wealth / health coach
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I'm trying hard to follow the topic but you two are such a sweet couple, I just feel overwhelmed 😂😁
Spot on! Love it
I’d like a video about ambition, and when or when it isn’t sinful
People have already alluded to this in the comments, but I'd say, next to visually inciting lust, the other main form of immodesty is emotional modesty. While men are more vulnerable to visual immodesty, women are more vulnerable to being emotionally revved up by men crossing non-physical boundaries.
What do you mean? Could you elaborate on what you're saying?
@@Lauradahl-creations There are two forms of immodesty: visual and emotional. Visual immodesty is dressing or physically presenting one's self in a way that evokes lust visually. Emotional immodesty is acting or speaking in a way that evokes lust by stirring up sexual desires in their heart. By nature, men are generally more prone to visual lust and women to emotional lust. Thus while men and women should be attentive to both areas of modesty, men should be more careful about how their actions may stir up a woman's heart and women should be more careful about how their physical appearance sexually entices a man.
It's "for the greater glory of God" not the greater glory of "me." Fantastic message! And it was good to call out men to control their own hearts and not just use a woman's immodesty as a scapegoat. God bless!
Thank you so much for this! I used to feel guilty when men looked at me no matter what I wore, so I always carried a long baggy sweater to cover myself... It's good to know that modesty is for everyone. Now I will be more mindful and examine my heart in order to look at men as subjects always, no matter who they are!
God bless!
Makes me reflect of the times I have used muscle shirts 🤔
I just want a nice Catholic woman to marry and then raise kids in the glorious, awesome faith
Niko Okin I’m sure there’s Catholic girls like that but the ones I’ve met are very sweet
What about swimwear? I feel like everyone is immodest when it comes to swimwear
This immodesty even developed throughout the decades, your not the only to notice. XD
I opt for a sports style one piece with shorts, rather then a high leg swimsuit. Have to be practical
I needed to hear this one 🙏🏼
Modesty is especially important when someone enters into a church for any reason. Traditionally this meant to dress plain for women this meant covering cleavage, not wearing makeup, or jewelry outside of a wedding ring and covering their head with a veil or shawl. For men it also meant keeping their legs and arms covered and not wearing a hat or anything on top of their head.
So when women entered a church if their head was not covered they put a veil on at the Narthex of the church. As for men that worn hats they would remove them in the Narthex of the church.
In the modern day clothing which had logos on them and not dressing in formal attire would had been frowned upon years ago. Anything which is considered a distraction shouldn't be worn.
Fair and yes. It's never been required for a woman to wear a veil or men to dress in their finest for mass. That would sum up people's presence at mass to their money, not their faith. I still love the chapel veil, and it can be very beneficial to remove jewelry for women to avoid vanity. It's an excellent practice for Lent. However, there's also the saying of "Sunday best" where you do dress up because you are going to meet The King. In my understanding and opinion, it seems a bit distorted. The item shouldn't be held with vanity but as beautiful objects.
@@burningroses2399 it has never been required ever since the promulgation of the Novus Ordo. Before then it was required for women to veil and Modesty in dress was enforced in churches.
@@rjgle Modesty is a virtue and can not be forsaken. However, veiling is a tradition. The tradition was lessened, thanks to Vatican II. I want it to be resurrected, but it might be a while before that.
Like the video but I would have appreciated if Bobby wasn’t interrupted mid-thought.
Thank you for making this video! :) What I see a lot in youth groups for example, is that the women try to dress modest. They discuss their clothing with eachother and really think about it. Then if you look at the men, they don't think about it. It is as if they don't care. In the summer, they go to church with jeans above their knees and just a tanktop on. If it isn't modest for a woman to wear jeans above the knees and a tanktop, why does a man wear those clothing to church? You can see all the biceps, so it isn't modest for men eather, in my opinion. Thank you for also adressing the different aspects of modesty. I really appreciate this video :)
It's quite the opposite from where I'm from. I always have and always will wear a tie and and suit to church. It's modest, simple and respectable. But I see lots of young women (Granted, I just got out of high school) wearing booty shorts, tank tops, T-shirts, graphic shirts, etc, to church. It's not nearly as frequent to see a young man wearing anything like this. They're usually wearing maybe a polo shirt and khakis, which I think is respectable. I don't honestly think I've ever seen a young man wear jeans in church, but every Sunday I'll see 5 or more young ladies with booty shorts, jeans, tank tops, etc. (Assuming it's not winter, lol. I don't think many people will wear booty shorts in the winter LOL) I'm honestly not quite sure why this is so. Our community is pretty close-knit and most of the families here know each other, but the dress varies so much. As they mentioned in the video, I've thought about mentioning it to some of the young ladies / men that show up dressing immodest, but I'm scared something similar will happen to me that happened in the video. I fear I'll be very kind, approach with respect and love, but they'll get offended and won't return to our church.
@@matthewhall6444 Great that you think about modesty :) I see, I think it differs per group. I understand that it is difficult to say to a lady, I also think that every lady will react different on it. But you do it out of kindness and that is what counts! :) I think they should appreciate that :)
🙏🏻😊very nice☺️🙏🏻
This video is insightful. As a man, I have wondered many times what falls under immodesty for men. Good to know it’s biceps, abs, money, and status.
Humility always conquers. Praise God.
Glad you mentioned flaunting wealth. I'd add accomplishments. And specifically that men do it with other men. If I'm talking about myself I'm probably doing something self centered.
He must increase and I must decrease
In the gym example, according to the point you made earlier about how a Christian man's goal is to look at a woman as a person to love regardless of what she's wearing, the protective instinct should guide a man to talking to the men ogling the woman. The man could easily also discuss with the woman how she feels about the men around her and whether she is uncomfortable. That conversation does not need to include what she is wearing. It can simply be related to her experience in the gym.
I mean obviously it's the men who must always be at fault, for staring at a woman who is wearing little more than glorified underwear
Y’all talked an awful lot about how women dress considering this was supposed to be a video about modesty for men ?
You didn't mention the men wearing their pants around their thighs, showing off their buttocks covered only by underwear. Yes sometimes they have shorts on but mostly it is colored underwear.
Especially the men on these dating apps as well there half-naked in their underwear and the like
Men have to take responsibility for immodesty more often. It’s not easy, but that conversation needs to happen much more.
Early Church Fathers also really took way more responsibility for their own lustful thoughts as well. A lot of desert father stories on avoiding lustful thoughts that focus more on the man’s heart rather than how the woman is appearing.
Louis Jones
All these arguments are consistently ignoring how vastly more modest women dressed back in those days compared to now
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The thing that I have trouble with. My weakness is Going out to have a hamburger and fries and a drink But for me that's bad for me if I did it all the time i'm fat I'm age 66 and I really have to watch my. weight.
Great job! Most men always wouldn't ever do things like ,As you can see it's sooooo way to much! Thanks for letting talk and vent a little it go!!
LOVE ITT!! PLEASE WRITE A BOOK! WE NEED TO HEAR THOSE IDEAS MORE OFTEN!
Gotcha.
Thank you both for sharing more on the topic of modesty.
I believe both men & women should take full responsibility of their actions in regard to modesty and lust. It's a two-way street.
God Bless you all!🙏❤💕
I thought that this video was difficult for both of you to explain.
I think that the most common way that men are immodest is through their speech. Vulgarity, aka “locker-room talk”, is a problem. F-word, S-word, C-word, P-word, etc, have no place in a Christian man’s vocabulary.
I don’t know of any women who lust after mens’ bodies in the same way that men are turned-on by womens’ bodies / dress.
Good attempt at a necessary topic, however.
Gerard Falzon Thank you! Completely agree I was raised to speak like a lady and a gentleman should act accordingly as well. It’s sad when you meet someone and every other word out of their mouth is a curse.
Most women or not straight
Proverbs *22:15*
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that modesty for heterosexual men is the least of our society's problems
Soren B I agree, I feel like 90% of men dress pretty modestly
bobby flay Men at the beach are almost always topless, so no it’s not the least of society’s problems
What embarrasses me Sometimes I have to wear a short sleeves hurt I don't like showing off my tattoos When I was young and stupid I got three tap toes It's nothing dirty Nothing suggests a tatanic But I embarrassed me.
I'm catholic And I try to do the right thing Whenever i'm at the gym When a woman does not dress properly It's hard for me I do lust a guy can only take so much it better women cover up .
I never heard this before That women or dishes guilty as men. I thought it was all always men and women don't have that problem That's an eye opener.
True,
If you tell someone out of love how special they are without showing off.
They will take it as judgement. The flesh and worldly mindset doesnt know things of God.
Am I glorifying God or am I glorifying me? :-)
Thank you and God bless you 🙏🕊️
Great points...very helpful.
Guys. No grey sweatpants 😔
My mum bought me a pair of light gray sweats that I never put on because they get filthy too easy. One day I put them on and seh ask "are you not wearing underpants?"...
I only don't hit her because she birth me
so should i wear tanktops or nah
Nah
Finally a modesty video for men actually about men!
I have gender disphoria which means that I a men biological but sicologicly, mentally, intellectually, and emotionally I am a woman. I want to start a business I because successful I would want to date a girl who will love dispite my gender disphoria because gender disphoria defenies me as a subject, but welth would define me as an object.
Pls go watch Mother Miriam. Learn what it actually means and the consequences of Immodesty.
Good video! I never considered the ways men could be non-modest. Food for thought.
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Question. What is Ascension Presents really saying when they choose such good looking people as their spokespeople. Doesn't it further encourage men who want marriage to pursue only women who are at least as attractive as Jackie and for women to only pursue guys who are at least as attractive as Bobby? I.e., aren't we doing exactly what the dominant culture is doing a la subliminal framing? I.e., it isn't the content that is solely being pitched -- the presenters of that content are modeling desirable frames for us too.
If every movie one sees contains men who as attractive as Chris Hemsworth, then we're warping girls standards into not accepting guys who aren't as attractive as movie stars.
It's the same with crafting a social media image that makes it look like your life is way more awesome than it is.
It damages our ability to accept the real.
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I thought they were pretty average looking...
Oh come on, they're not subjectively "prettier" than 90% of the world population.
@@damarisi5805 Have you not seen the world? Lol
@@csapienza001 not with your eyes, lol. I have yet to meet a person and think about them "Ew, you're uglier than the majority of people." I usually think humans are beautiful and not because I've set myself a mindset to view them that way. It's just the way i see. I'm daily amazed at how much beauty there is in the world. Maybe it wouldn't be bad that you saw a little part of it too.
@@damarisi5805 Physical attraction is objective, 90% of people, at least, are less attractive than these two love birds. I suggest traveling more and watching less TV/movies , where near everyone is physically attractive.
Question ..is it possible to lust your husband or wife and if so is that sin?.???
Being sexually attracted to your husband or wife is not a sin.
How would that be a sin, when that is how God created us to be?
@@valwilliams3834 maybe i should have worded it differently..is it possible to lust your husband or wife and if so is that sin?
@@dianahernandez9219 Ask yourself why- are you wanting the intimacy and compassion or just pleasure and nothing more?
Maybe think of it as don't focus on what you want so much as why you want it.
@@dianahernandez9219 oh yes I see what you mean. Yes it is totally possible to lust after your partner, and to see them only as a object for your own pleasure, rather than as someone you should love, serve and protect.
Its wrong and evil to use your spouse simply for your own sexual pleasure. However it's not evil and is actually a morally good thing to be sexually attracted to your partner, to want to give yourself completely to them, and the Catholic Church teaches that everytime you have sex with your spouse, you are renewing your Marriage Vows. It is also not wrong to think of your partner sexually, as long as it comes from a place of love and not lust/self satisfaction.
I would highly recommend reading The Theology of the Body by Pope John Paul II which would explain alot more.
It seems unfair that women can dress immodestly and we men can't.
Why not have both men and women dress modestly?
What do you mean? The problem is that modesty is important, but people are okay with men dressing immodestly but when a woman does the same, they get mad..
When you want to Dress , are you dressing to call attention on yourself or to give God glory ? The irony is, when we try to guide and protect, they think we are judging😢 them. That desire to guide and protect is very good but it's not always seen as a positive thing in our culture right now by people but never the less, be the Role Model.
I personally don’t think men should be able to go shirtless in public. Like women can’t wear revealing clothes and I think that men not wearing a shirt is worse. Maybe not in the world’s eyes but in gods
Tera Hunter oh I didn’t know that
Tera Hunter yeah for sure.
Another thing when women go to mass They should dress properly I haven't seen that at my parish but I heard some women go there with a tank top And I think that's Unacceptable going to there to meet the lord communion.
Tbh this video needs to be edited to explain that women can be equally responsible if they know they're leading men to look at them lustfully
Abe Reagan
Nah. Women have a right to dress however they want, it’s their bodies, without the any blame of any of the repercussions it may incur
That’s called Female Privilege.
Yes a video for women also has been done separately by Jackie.
Abe Reagan - in Matthews Jesus says about men looking lustfully at women and sinning in their heart. There's no addition "but if she's not dressed modestly, it's also her fault". And they're mentioning a video adressed to women. Anyone in doubt can check that out :)
The Christian double standard of modesty has been around far too long and driven far too many people away. Thanks for contributing to its end.
Im Jewish and a guy. After me and my husband got married I actually started wearing a much larger kippah that covers my hair more fully as a show of submission to G-d and to loyalty to the vows me and my husband took
Modesty in speech needs to be practiced, too.
Yes please.
What is lust?
If you’re saying that if a naked woman is literally in front of you and being provocative you’re not supposed to be aroused because you’ll be sinning in your heart? Oh and on top of that it’s not ever her fault that you feel like you want her?
I’m sorry but that’s ridiculous. Absurd even.
I’m sorry, I usually like and agree with you guys, but “it’s never the woman fault” is ridiculous. She has to take AT LEAST part of the blame.
There’s a reason people harp on women more than men. Male “immodesty” doesn’t arouse sinful thoughts in others like female immodesty. Female immodesty is literally provoking one of the deepest primal urges we have. What is the most male immodesty can provoke? Envy? You can say the same about women. In fact anybody can provoke envy just by being, however it is not the same with lust.
I’m sorry, but this is just you guys buying into the feminist propaganda being preached at Mass under the guise of “love”. Don’t tell me for a second that the women who showed up to mass with a miniskirt or white yoga pants where her underwear is clearly visible isn’t at fault at all if someone looks at her and suddenly starts experiencing desire. Thats abused and it reeks of feminist propaganda that is continually shaming male sexuality. You have no idea how many times I’ve walked into Mass and have had it completely ruined because before I walked in I have an image of a girls parts seared into my head because she bent over in a miniskirt or the women in front of me want to show off her behind in front of the whole congregation. How is that fair? It’s not like I’m freaking trying to lust.
Enough with selectively quoting Jesus. Yes, he did say that about lust. But back in His time, women were INFINITELY more modestly dressed. We are in a completely different situation now. Let me remind you of what else He said:
Luke 17:2
“It would be better for him(her) if a millstone were hung around his (her) neck and she were cast into the sea than that (s)he should cause one of these little ones to sin.”
By saying that it’s never a woman’s fault, all you’re doing is continuing the feminist propaganda that women essentially can do no wrong and its men who have to change.
They never said women can do no wrong. They said that men have responsibility too. It's not ~feminist propaganda~ to expect men to be responsible LOL. That is a completely ridiculous argument to make. Plus this channel has WAY more videos focused on women being modest (of course) so I hardly think a 7 minute video asking men to merely think about their responsibility is cause for outrage. Just take a deep breath and calm down. You sound like a MAJOR victim here, and ultimately that kind of attitude won't get you anywhere in life.
Well, doctors do manage to look at naked people without being lustful :)
Sorry, but that is essentially giving women license by telling a woman that she can do whatever she wants without incurring any guilt or blame for the sexual arousal or desires someone else receives from her dress. You can’t tell a woman in one breath that she is in no way culpable and at the same time tell her to dress modestly. It’s a contradiction.
I also never said men don’t have a responsibility. Of course they do. But within reason for crying out loud.
But hey, thanks for the sneaky little ad hominem jab there about the “MAJOR victim complex”.
“If they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.” - Margaret Thatcher (a woman)
Thank tho for mischaracterizing my argument. Smearing is very Christian. Thank you for your witness.
Erin Symone
Maybe pay attention to what they said in the video. They said that it doesn’t matter what a woman wears or even if she was naked in front of you, it still wouldn’t be her fault for whatever you may feel.
It is based on feminist propaganda. Ever heard of “my body, my choice”? That’s all about not being liable for whatever you do with your body or how it may affect others because it’s “my body”
This was really cringe, catholic doctrine poisoned with feminism. If a woman leads her brother to sin beacause of her immodest dress, both sin mortally. The man has no excuse for sinning, but if he does the woman shares his guilt.
That intro, 😂😂😂😂😂
If trying to be modest, women should not be wearing makeup, painting nails and plucking eyebrows. It is not only the clothing