CHERNOBYL EP 3&4 | FIRST TIME WATCHING | (reaction/commentary)
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- This miniseries is really getting to me. Enjoy my reaction/commentary to the episodes "Open Wide, O Earth" and "The Happiness of All Mankind." p.a Final episode coming next week!
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In real life, the divers' lights went out and they had to do the job in total darkness. HBO added the hand crank backup lights so there would be something to film.
Jeee, that’s rough
They didn't have lights.......
"Is radiation contageous?" Once people are properly decontaminated (bathed/showered) and their clothing replaced, not so much. The plastic sheeting we see in the hospital scenes is real, but it was mostly to protect the patients' weakened immune systems from germs from the visitors, not the other way around. Here we see an example of the few inaccuracies of the series, for storytelling purposes, BUT, a saving grace is that some of the false things said by characters in the series were actually believed by people at the time, so even there, the show is informative by demonstrating the misconceptions held by some of the people involved in the accident and cleanup. There's a five part series of podcasts done by writer Craig Mazin, one per episode, that helps to sort out the difference. Mazin felt some responsibility to the truth, since the theme of the show is lies and their consequences, so, even in the dramatic license which always accompanies historical dramas like this, he tried to make the inaccuracies serve the storytelling, in a roundabout way.
That’s actually odd to think about, that the theme of the show is about the consequences of lies yet there are some false truths throughout (obviously as a whole the show is being truthful) but yeah I can see why it’s crucial to have an understanding of the details of what’s right and wrong. I wonder if some of the patients mortality was reduced slightly just from being in contact with others before being isolated?
@@thecocoacouch no doubt, but as you see in the series (and as is reported from the real life cases it's based on) it's a quick one way trip with that dosage level.
25:53 He's in shock, traumatized, tunnel-vision, his thought process either scatterbrained or frozen "what have I done". Its hard to describe, but point being that it is hard to know what that feels like without having been in their shoes. Logically he should have followed up with a fatal shot, and he gets there eventually. When you're new to...this.. its hard to filter out the emotions that cause one to hesitate, panic, or act impulsively.
Probably the toughest episodes to get through, 2 at a time is not easy viewing. Thanks for your reaction.
Well I wanted to make more time for other films to upload for y’all which is why I’ve compressed these episodes but dang was it tough.
Pripyat, the small city next to Chernobyl, still stands today. Nothing has really been moved, you can visit for a few hours- but not touch anything and you definitely can’t take anything from the city out. Not even a rock, the dirt, the water, anything. The people were told as they boarded those busses it was temporary and they would be home in a few weeks. It is a place of tragedy, built on lies and deceit.
You can’t visit now unfortunately
I remember this happening... I mean, I was just 8yo and in my primary school, but somehow I clearly remember our teacher telling us that we were not supposed to go outside during the gap between lessons and my family, the tv news, basically everyone telling us not to eat vegetables for months... and this was here in Italy, more than 2100km away from chernobyl... this can give you an idea of the situation... man as always you reactions are awesome! your emotions are so genuine! good work!😎👍👌
There is a monument in Chernobyl "Monument to Those Who Saved the World" is a monument to the firefighters who died putting out the fire at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in 1986 after the catastrophic nuclear accident there. The monument is also dedicated to the Chernobyl liquidators who cleaned up after the accident
Legasov had seen the KGB agents following him because they were the couple in the hotel who asked about the fire, seeing if he would talk, The radiation burns were actually prettied up, but I won't tell the rest unless you ask. The "Told you I'd show you Moscow" scene plays like pure Hollywood, but it really happened. Legasov did originate the term "biorobot". There's historical footage of them clearning the graphite, and it looked exactly like what they showed. Just this week I heard an interview where Gorbachev said that he'd personally ordered the scientists followed, not because he didn't trust them, but because after all the bad information he'd gotten, he wanted a direct channel.
Hm interesting. It’s nuts biorobot is an actual term now. I can see how that scene is a Hollywood scene 😂
They showed actual footage on the TV before the men went out, the speech given to them as well was as close as accurate as it could be
25:17 Here's my 0.02 as a veteran. -- Bacho knows what causes him to have PTSD, which in this operation is hearing and seeing an animal suffer. He acts detached, like the job is no big deal, but this rule shows he does have an ethical humane side, despite what he's been ordered to do. -- I was in the Infantry, and I'll just say I'm glad I never had the kind of job they are doing, because of the knowledge they are pets would really come back to mess with me. Its not like shooting wild hogs, bears, wolves, or anything that's a serious threat. -- The story Bacho tells about his first kill is pretty accurate. "You think you'll never be you again. You wake up the next day, and you're still you. You look back and realize that was you all along."
Yeah as soon as he said he has one rule about the dogs suffering thing, I knew he was really empathic. So sad when any human but particularly kind hearted individuals are put through that :(
Many of the men that went up on that roof went up time and time again so other men would not have to die like them. I thank all of the innocents for their sacrifice, May they rest in peace all of those who lost their lives to this horrendous disaster.
Your raw emotion is literally me! You keep wearing your heart on your sleeve and you’re on track to be a top reactor! Have you seen saving private Ryan?
Thanks! I appreciate that ☺️ I have but not in ages. I wanted to re watch it at some point down the track anyway.
@@thecocoacouch whatever you think is best for the channel! I really admire your vulnerability and openness. Just checking the big ones: Lord of the the rings(extended), Harry Potter, Star Wars? They would help you grow I think. Also maybe fury or lone survivor?
PS you’re super handsome!
PPS sorry if that makes you feel weird
@@Boone113 I'll likely do all of those at some point. I'm not in a rush though hey. All in good time.
When I watched your reaction of ep 1&2 I thought you might break at episode 4 - I know I do every time. What happened to people is very sad, but in some capacity you can explain to them what’s going on, but children and animals have no agency, no comprehension of what is going on. They are sweet, innocent beings and when they shoot the dogs… it just tears me apart 😢
29:41 It's wholesome to see a man express emotions. *subscribed
Metro games are made by the same team of ukrainian developers (that branched off) that made Stalker franchise, which is indeed directly based on Chornobyl and situated there.
Dang that’s pretty cool, they certainly like apocalyptic vibes.
its funny of you to mention the last of us since it was made by the same creators of chernobyl :)
Yeah I found out about Chernobyl because of the Last of Us. The filmmaking style is the same. So cool.
In regard to radiation contagion...a person who has been exposed to very large doses of radiation is not really "contagious". Once they are decontaminated, there is not much radiation spread from them, but their bodily fluids and excretions may actually be dangerous to others. However, since radiation badly compromises the immune system, anybody that comes into proximity to a person with radiation sickness could be dangerous to the irradiated person, since they are so much more vulnerable to infections of all kinds. Of course, a baby in the womb is going to be harmed by even small doses of radiation, regardless of whether it is from the mother's contact with an irradiated person, or from some other source.
Ah so you think maybe her baby may not have died but at least gotten some sort of birth defect just from the fact she was near Chernobyl at all? (excluding the physical contact with her Firefighter husband)
Except as you mentioned, Because they weren't wearing breathing apparatus or protective clothing, The Firefighters ( For example ) would have absorbed significant amounts of radioactive elements, In the air they breathed. You can't decontaminate someone's internals. And some of that material would find it's way back out of the body again, Through exhalation, Sweat, Shedding skin flakes, Blood and through waste excretion. And after death through decomposition. Those firefighters couldn't spread the radiation exposure. But they could spread radioactive contamination. And also as the show phrases it about the baby absorbing the radiation instead? Correct it wouldn't. But as the mother is absorbing radioactive elements & given during the development of a baby in the womb, The mothers body passes a lot of material into the building of the baby, Then naturally the baby's body would be absorbing a significant portion of the mothers contamination exposure in it's tissues rather than the mothers retaining it. Enough to save the mother from absorbing a fatal amount? I can't really say as i don't know enough. But unlikely though it may be that's what happened to the mother and baby, It certainly doesn't strike me as impossible 🤔 .. I think the issue is that the show phrases things in plain language. Naturally to make it accessible it the audience. Rather than in scientific speak. And so we get people saying that's not how it works lol...
@@thecocoacouch Scientifically speaking, there does not seem to be any way to know. We do not know how much radiation she was exposed to from any given source, so she could have gotten too much for the baby in her initial exposures at Chernobyl. Once she was in Moscow, we do not know how much contact she had with her husband's bodily fluids, so there is no way to know what the cause of the baby's defects were. She was definitely moor dangerous to her husband due to his immunosuppression, than he was to her...unless he was coughing up and spitting and barfing all over her constantly.
@@Markus117d The makers of the show took pretty much everything that happened to her from her own descriptions, and did not "correct" the things she said about what happened in regards to the science of radiation exposure. She got a heavy does of radiation early on by being outside close to Chernobyl, which could have been enough to cause her baby to die, but we have no way of knowing. When she was with her husband in the hospital, she was more dangerous to him than he was to her, but that assumes that she was not constantly being splattered by her husband's bodily fluids and excretions. We just do not know enough factually outside of her own testimony, and we all know how bad humans are as observers, so it is impossible to know how much radiation her or her baby got from any given possible source.
The baby would have been getting radiation from anything the mother took in that had radiation in it, but the baby did not take radiation away from the total amount that the mother absorbed...the mother just had more bodymass, and could therefore handle more radiation exposure.✌
@@iKvetch558 I was only talking theoreticly and how the show uses plain language. As for taking radation away from the mother, Let me explain my thoughts and ideas another way, If the mother absorbs / ingests / inhales 10 Grams of radioactive iodine ( just for an example number & also lets assume for discussion purposes that 10 grams is a 100% fatal amount given enough time to continue poisoning the mother and less is 100% survivable, Although with life long heath issues ) Given her body is providing all the elements and nutrients to grow the baby, Is it not reasonable to say the developing baby would receive at least some if not most of it? And also that most of the radiation given off by that iodine wouldn't penetrate much tissue. Effectively limiting any damage caused by any of the iodine the baby did absorb within it's self. ( Which would have as you say a far greater effect on the developing baby ) And that giving birth to the baby would so remove some part of that 10 grams from the mother permanently. ( Could it not be said if that train of thought has any merits ) in the most basic explanation possible that the baby absorbed the radiation and saved the mother? .
Emily Watson, the actress you thought would make a good character in a horror movie was in Red Dragon (the Silence of the Lambs prequel), as well as Equilibrium, which is a dystopia action film with Christian Bale and Sean Bean. You would likely enjoy both movies. She's been in dozens and dozens of movies, but those are two of my favourites.
He hesitated because he was in shock. Most of the people they recruited were just young men drafted to serve. Most never held a gun.
If someone is radioactive, they can spread the radiation. They can be decontaminated, but their sweat, vomit, all bodily fluids would be radioactive. I do not know how long internal decontamination takes.
I love your pure heart.
Anyone who's eyes stayed dry during the animal burial scene must have a heart of stone.
With apologies for spoiling funny moments from the episode...something the makers of the show changed for entertainment purposes in this episode is the way the coal minister and coal miners interacted. The Deputy Minister of Mining met with the miners, and basically gave them 24 hours to be ready to go to Chernobyl...there was no humorous coal dust on the suit moment. The meeting between the Minster and miners is covered in the History vs Hollywood article I recommended...as is the fact that the miners did not work in the nude.
Episode 4 is pretty much the toughest episode to watch for almost everyone...but it is good that you made it through it.
Something that does not often get mentioned is that many of the men who went out onto those incredibly radioactive roof sections actually volunteered to go back out more than once in order to save others from having to be "biorobots". Also, that huge revelation that the Soviet State knew about the fatal flaw in the shutdown system and both covered it up and did nothing to fix it, all the while lying to even the plant operators about the safety of the RBMK reactors, is something that could only happen in a totalitarian state like the USSR.✌
Yeah that reveal was nuts! The fact they made such an effort to fix a problem they technically started but not even admit to it. And yeah I imagine the coal on the suit moment wouldn’t really be tolerated in real life lol 😂 tough episode for sure.
@@thecocoacouch But they did not make any effort to fix the issue with the RBMK reactors, not until after the catastrophe at Chernobyl.
@@iKvetch558 I meant the Chernobyl problem, not the reactors one. But that's what was such a shock too that they didn't even secretly try to fix the other reactors.
@@thecocoacouch Oh...OK, I understand. And yes, it is pretty crazy, bit that is what can happen with totalitarian societies.💯
Loved your honest reaction! Thank you 🕊
Thanks heaps ☺️
I saw videos of animals that escaped from people doing the extermination for quite some time. It was horrible. I would have shot them immediately to save them from the obvious immense pain they were in.
Yeah same 😭
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The fetus would absorb the radiation because everything her body is processing and producing is going to the fetus.
They take some liberties with the science here. The science is portrayed well regarding the reactor itself and it’s engineering, less so concerning how radiation works.
Is radiation contagious is a complicated question. The spark notes version of the answer is there are several kinds of radiation and each has differing properties when contaminating something. The types of radiation you’re dealing with depend on the elements involved, and often you’re dealing with multiple kinds.
When you are irradiated, any radioactive particle of sufficient energy that lands on you will persist on your person until washed away. Once you are decontaminated, however, those particles are no longer present on your skin and you are safe to handle by others (IE: be touched by medical staff, etc). Your body will have absorbed many of these particles through it’s no functions, and you will secrete these particles through the same mechanism, which can be a danger depending on how much contamination and what sort of contamination you’re dealing with.
The second danger is called ‘activation.’ Radiation of a sufficiently high energy will damage the things it comes in contact with, to such a degree that it can transmute those materials into potential radiation sources themselves (for example when an impact event turns an element into one of its unstable isotopes). Gamma and neutron radiation are particularly good at activation, so much so that even the inner walls of a decommissioned reactor become themselves dangerously radioactive which has to be accounted for when the plant is shut down. Activation is a bigger risk in terms of persistent contamination, because all the particles that got inside the body continue to give off radiation which can result in activation of the surrounding tissue, releasing more radiation still. The kind of doses that are associated with this kind of activation at this scale are so high that death is already a foregone conclusion.
There’s a lot more that goes into that, but in broad strokes that’s the answer.
27:22 I think that helicopter is a Mil Mi-6 Hook. Anyone know for sure?
The Last of Us is very well done, but it will never be as good as this. And this is mostly molded after reality, while the other one is pure fiction.
I think objectively you’re right. But I’m a huge TLOU fan and I couldn’t help being giddy watching the show 😂
@The Cocoa Couch I'm still watching this video, that's a thing with me, I edit as I watch. So you said here "Cuz that'd be horrible, hey, if you'd have a bunch of guys who'd only be shooting animals because they got some satisfaction out of it..." Ever heard of hunting? That joy sport has a big tradition.😅 There's a movie that's in my top 100 ever called "Powder" that offers a good lesson against it. I recommend it, it's very good.
@@johnnyd1790 Yeah I did kinda mean the nature of how they were just shooting every dog that appeared. Bit different to humanely hunting an elk or something.
@@thecocoacouch Both Last of Us and Chernobyl were written/directed/etc by Craig Maizin.
Not pure fiction. Cordyceps is a real fungus family that does influence the nervous system of its hosts. Fortunately it's not made the jump to humans so far.
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Yeah something about innocent creatures being harmed just hits differently.
@@thecocoacouch I don't know how you did it, I couldn't watch the screen when that part came on. I was in shock... But im glad you pulled through, its a good show. Stay cute friend :)
Dam you must speed more time editing than actually recording the episodes, i guess that's usually the case though. Especially for the double episodes, also do you have any plans for another tv series after this one? ANDOR is a really good tv show that aired last year. You probably have seen it though since you watched the other starwars movies already.
Yeah unfortunately I’ve seen pretty much everything star Wars already but Andor was really good, slow at times but overall really great story. And yes, probably about 6 hours per video (excluding thumbnail/title work etc)
Call me inhuman, but episode with killing animals hurt me the most. When I rewatch that show I skipped this part cause I can’t stand it.
Having a dog and then learning this part of Chernobyl story made me think I would do anything to leave that city with my dog, not caring about what happened next, which is stupid