CHERNOBYL EP 1&2 | FIRST TIME WATCHING | (reaction/commentary)
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- Опубликовано: 22 фев 2023
- I had no idea what I was walking into with the Chernobyl mini series. Enjoy my reaction to the episodes "1:23:45" and "Please remain calm".
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It may be a dramatization of the incident, but the frustration at the "party line" and propaganda in response to Chernobyl is very, very real.
Yeah I figured there was a bit of dramatisation but you’re right, the propaganda seemed too real.
Could you inform me about which points that were dramatized? I'm curious
Gotta love Communism
@@アキコ2003 Well, for example radiation sickness was not that fast. Something that took hours took minutes in this. Likewise Dyatlov was not at all the incompetent martinet portrayed here. The tasting metal did not happen, because that only happens under very specific circumstances. The helicoptor crash happened months later. Lots of little dramatic liberties but the overall story is essentially accurate.
@@thecocoacouchWOW! You really do wear your heart 🫀on your sleeve. I mean, in a good way.
Boris Schrebina was a true hero. After Chernobyl he was in charge of the rescue organisation of a heavy earthquake in Armenia, where he again did an incredible job. A truly amazing person!
On the night of the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, among the first firefighters who arrived at the scene of the emergency was the commander of the fire department No. 6 of the city of Pripyat - Vasily Ignatenko. Thanks to books and cinema, the whole world knows the story of his heroic deed. Without sparing his life, Ignatenko rushed into the epicenter of the fire: he installed a fire truck between the third and fourth power units, laid a sleeve line at a high altitude having received a large dose of radiation, carried two exhausted comrades out of the fire on his hands. In fact, having taken the brunt of the blow, he tamed the poisonous flame and did not allow it to spread further to three remaining reactors...Otherwise, the impact of an accident would have been much worse. Vasyl Ignatenko was posthumously awarded the Order of the Red Banner, the insignia of the President of Ukraine - the Cross "For Courage" (May 8, 1996), awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine with the award of the Order "Golden Star" (April 26, 2006).
I live in Finland and I remember when this happened. I was about seven yrs old.
The state of Finland recommended that in the following couple of years people should avoid picking and eating berries and mushrooms. Especially mushrooms, because the radiation levels were that high even here, 1500km away. The winds brought it here.
We are outdoor people and like to pick what nature has to offer (plenty in here) so it alone was a big deal.
Beside of risking panic, in Soviet Union you had to be very careful what you say to whom - those strangers at the bar were most likely KGB. It might be very strange to dive into soviet reality, but don't worry, you will get there - this show presents it perfectly 😅
So many in the West, especially under 45 , don't understand the horrors of Communism
They WERE KGB. It was explicitly revealed later in the series
Radiation does not flow, it's not a gas. It radiates (like rays). So it literally irradiates everything around it and going through most materials that we have around us in regular life.
Also, the pills are stable iodine, since the thyroid gland uses iodine for the thyroid hormones, you pump the gland with stable iodine so it doesn't absorb unstable (iradiated) iodine.
Ah I see. Yeah I got minimal knowledge of how it works but since making this video and you guys educating me, I’m not in the dark 😂 Cheers man!
It radiates following the inverse square law - get twice as close to a chunk of radioactive material, you get four times the dose. Three times as close, you get nine times the dose. Hence why the firefighter actually picking up a radioactive piece of the core just obliterated his hand. God help you if you inhale any radioactive dust particles.
Not really a subject but, does iodine pills help cure Hashimotos thyroiditis?
@@satines6045 no. nothing cures autoimmune diseases, unfortunately
Concerning the denial: You had to pretend that the Soviet Union was a worker's paradise, and if you raised an issue, it was all your fault. Example: They set about building a tractor factory. Work fell behind schedule, but no one dared take the hit, so they kept the paperwork on schedule. Finally the fire marshall arrived to inspect and found a cement slab. Raising an issue was fatal to your creer (at a minimum). To answer your question, yes, Dyatlov was literally in denial until his dying day. They were taken to hospital 6 because that was, and is, the hospital specializing in radiation sickness. Everyone you met in episode 1 who had a name is a real person.
That’s how close to the true story it is!?!? Danggg. I guess it totally makes sense why he was denial based on what you’ve said. For some of them it was probably easier to believe the lie than know what’s true and not speak up.
I think the real number of people affected by this tragedy is much higher. Also they didn't even mention how many babies were born with deformations throughout many years after the explosion... its unbelievable..
The Soviet-designed RBMK high-power channel reactor) is a water-cooled reactor with individual fuel channels and using graphite as its moderator. It is also known as the light water graphite reactor (LWGR). As with a boiling water reactor (BWR), water boils in the fuel channels (at about 6.9 MPa) and steam is separated above them in a single circuit. It was designed over 1964-66 and is very different from most other power reactors. Its precursors were an experimental 30 MWt (5 MWe) LWGR at Obninsk which started up in 1954, and two small prototype LWGR (AMB-100 & 200) units - Beloyarsk 1&2, which ran from 1964 and 1968 respectively. (The ADE reactors at Zheleznogorsk and Seversk used for plutonium production are similar to the RBMK but with much lower power density and smaller fuel elements.)
The combination of graphite moderator and water coolant is found in no other power reactors in the world. As the Chernobyl accident showed, several of the RBMK's design characteristics - in particular, the control rod design and a positive void coefficient - were unsafe. A number of significant design changes were made after the Chernobyl accident to address these problems.
Fun fact: the lava created by the mix of stuff in the reactor later got its poignant and eery name: corium
Fun fact this clothes from the firemen are still in the basement of that hospital and yes they are still highly radioactive
it's not fun
Radiation reached the UK, Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales all felt the effects (not in humans). Livestock on varying levels were failing for nearly 10 years after the event with Wales being hit the hardest (Heavy rainfall through the radioactive cloud being the cause). Chernobyl was a GLOBAL event, far more reaching than the UK and was the catalyst for the fall of the Soviet Union.
Regarding "everyone should get out of there ,why is he calling in more people ?": if those brave people didn't do what they did to stop the meltdown, the outcome would have been a good chunk of Europe being uninhabitable for generations. I'm too young to remember this (I'm born 1985), but my mom told me about how they were advised to not let children play in dirt and mud, to get rid of specific crops in the garden and to not eat meat from wild boars etc. In Germany. Hundreds and hundreds of kilometers away. This catastrophe had a heavy influence on the green movement and how Europeans think about atomic energy.
Except the problem wasn't Nuclear Energy, it's Communism, Greed and Ignorance. Nuclear Energy is one of the cleanest Energy sources we have access to.
"oh, not the Doggi."😢
You are not ready!😑
Ayo 2 episodes at once, cant wait to get into the show with you.
Cheers man! If you wear your emotions tho I’d get some tissues 😂
I never had a sense of dread until I watched this show.
It do be like that 😬
Look up Windscale and the events that led up to it, if you want another round of creeping radioactive dread.
Regarding the sand & boron. It wasn't a mistake, It's just having a exposed burning reactor core pumping out radioactive contamination, Is far far worse and immediate threat than a meltdown. Chernobyl is really a example of how to prioritise problems. Stop and seal the burning core as much as possible = step one, Stop the resulting meltdown from being a problem is step two. Then you have to deal with the other issues ( Steps 3 & 4 Ect.. ) as best as possible.
Yeah it wasn’t a mistake, it was how long they calculated they had left until a meltdown that was a mistake. That’s a crazy position to be in though. Having to fix one big problem by initiating smaller ones you have to fix later.
There's a quote from 1984 that comes to my mind regularly when these kinds of corrupt power structures are portrayed in media or seen in real life: "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him. These with which any party intellectual would overthrow him in a debate. The subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand much less answer." Toxic political movements survive on convincing people that lies are the truth. Corrupt authoritarian power structures survive on convincing people that the price of living by truth is too high and it's better to live as if the lies are the truth. In 1984, when Winston is first captured by the Thought Police, he follows this quote with, "And yet, he was in the right. They were wrong and he was right. The obvious, the silly, and the true had got to be defended. Truisms are true. Hold onto that. The solid world exists, its laws do not change. Stones are hard. Water is wet. Unsupported objects fall toward the earth's center." By the end of the torture, he is so reprogrammed that he believes that 2+2=5 while still knowing it equals 4 (ie "double think). He goes back into society, willing to live the lie fully because the cost of even *thinking* the truth, much less voicing it, is too terrible to contemplate. In the scenario of Chernobyl, it's so telling that they're still so afraid to believe that 2+2=4 that they'd doom themselves to an imminent, painful death rather than tell the Kremlin that 5 is wrong.
Brilliant reaction!! I remember the intense feeling of doom that comes with this story, and the unbelievable amount of frustration from their corrupt bureaucrats and politicians that made appearances more important than human lives.
It's an excellent example of how dangerous an all powerful government, that won't allow dissent, that will brand anything that's not convenient as "misinformation", that can cut means of communication, and even dispose of human lives [wait for the following episodes] can be. Particularly when this government is even in charge of more than one country. Terrifying.
Can't wait for the following videos!! Love hearing your comments while watching. Cheers!
Yeah it’s absolutely terrifying. It’s strange how you can see a catastrophe as extreme as Chernobyl and it still feels like the thinking in their politics is far more dangerous in the long-term than literal radiation. Was fun making this video! Thanks for watching ☺️
totally agree
the problem also is that it’s not the bureaucracy that’s the problem here, it’s just inability to admit the fuck up as a country because you might die or get prison sentence. it’s totalitarianism. also, all big vips are all friends and if there is a fool on top, even the smartest minister will do stupid shit, because “do you remember who made you a minister??”
this is also part of the reason why russia continues the foolish war, cannot admit defeat
Iodine tablets help keep your thyroid from absorbing the radiation. The sooner you get it after exposure, the better your chances.
The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, also known as the Soviet Union, was a one-party dictatorship, ruled by the almighty Communist Party with an iron fist. The image of their superiority over evil, corrupt capitalistic forces of the West coud not be threatened in any ways, so just imagine how embarrassing and humiliating something like the accident at Chernobyl must have been to that image?
As the show proceeds, you will get to see the full scale of just how delusional and dissociated the whole system was from what was actually happening for the countless, ordinary people effected by Chernobyl. The mismanagement, delusionality, blind obedience, the corrupt system, constant lying to own citizens and pure madness against the unbelievable level of altruism, heroism and quest for finding the truth behind the lies are what makes this show so absolutely impactful.
Yeah it’s pretty messed up what happened. That speech by the elder member in the meeting talking about keeping the people oblivious in order to maintain order was nuts!
@@thecocoacouch Remember, by the year 1986 the Soviet Union had already been existing since the 1917, when the Communists took over Russia after the Revolution that overthrew the centuries old monarchy. After the revolution there was a bloody civil war, from which the Communists came out victorious, permanently solidifying their absolute rule over the Russia, that became Soviet Union in 1922 officially.
So, by the events at Chernobyl in 1986 and what became after, the Soviet regime had been in power for nearly 70 years. They've had plenty of time to hone their mastery in lying to people, and even believing their own lies. However, by 1986, the Soviet system was actually already in its death spiral, due to the system was corrupt and rotten to its core. The mismanagement and terrible negletance of safety rules and safety of their citizens during and after the events at Chernobyl might in fact have been the catalyzator for the downfall of the Soviet Union and its dissolution in 1991.
@@blissfull_ignorance8454 makes sense, was a pretty devastating catastrophe.
"It is easy to imagine the enemy is the nuclear reactor, but the enemy isn’t technology. I have come to the paradoxical conclusion that technology must be protected from man. In the past, the time that included the old reactors, the time that ended with Gagarin’s flight into space, the technology was created by those who stood on the shoulders of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky; they were educated in the spirit of the great humanitarian ideas; in the spirit of a beautiful and correct moral sense. They had a clear political idea of the society they were trying to create; one that would be the most advanced in the world. But already in the generations that succeeded them, there were engineers who stood on their shoulders and saw only the technical side of things. But if someone is educated only in technical ideas, they cannot create anything new, anything for which they are responsible. The operators of the reactor that night considered they were doing everything well and correctly; and they were breaking the rules for the sake of doing it even better, but they had lost sight of the purpose… what they were doing it for."
- Valery Legasov, tape recorded interview with Yurii Scherbak, Autumn 1986
One of the by-products of Uranium is radioactive iodine. Iodine is absorbed by the Thyroid. Very important.
If you load up the thyroid with non-radioactive iodine, it can't absorb the radioactive Iodine.
Can't eat poison if you're full to bursting after a meal right?
Also 400 rubles is basically roughly the equivalent to FOUR US DOLLARS today and back then it was the equivalent of just $645
It's not a very meaningful comparison, though, because the USSR was a closed economy; you could only buy Soviet-made products with Soviet money, so actually defining an exchange rate to Western money from the standpoint of a regular citizen is quite difficult to do. Basically, though, because there were so very few luxury goods, and all consumer goods were in short supply (waiting list for a car was several years), giving someone an extra chunk of money didn't actually affect their life all that much; you could already get all the basics on a basic salary, and there wasn't much else extra *available* to buy with any extra money. The reason for this was because the Soviet economy, though it grew phenomenally fast after the 1917 revolution, was still vastly smaller than the American economy, and yet it was trapped in an endless arms race to try to maintain military parity in the Cold War stand-off against the USA. In order to maintain this level of military production, research and development, they had to sacrifice production, research and development of consumer goods for their own citizens.
I feel the frustration through the screen. Exactly how I felt when I watched this the first time. Heartbreak and chaos
Radiation at such a high level fry’s the circuits of any electronics. Which is why they’re lights went out
Taking a shower -- washing off -- is washing off irradiated dust and dirt and any other particles or matter which would all be irradiated, and as long as they're on your skin, continue to increase your own exposure.
Never forget the Cost of Lies.
Not after watching this 😬
I know it's already a year ago, but to answer your question how far the radiation did go: when I was a child the news at home warned every autumn to pick up mushrooms in the forest at your own risk, because they suck up ground radiation like a sponge. In Germany. Over 1000 miles away, 30 years later.
I was 3 years old when it happened, we lived in Crimea. I remember my parents being concerned that there was a wind from that part of the country.
I appreciate your reactions and tears, every time you react to this horror I want to say, yes, this really happened, yes, people’s lives are not important for them.
Everyone new about the catastrophe but only after Ukraine voted for the independence a lot more to that truth was discovered
You know whats the worst part about the tragedy is? Pripyat was a brand new town; built just 9 years before the accident. Because they got their power from the plant and many civilians worked there, their living expenses were super cheap. Meaning they had money to spend on social needs and luxury. There were hardly any poor people, they had great education programs (granted filled with USSR propaganda but I digress), had fine dining restaurants, fine parks and recreation activities, and a river touring industry. Some called it Heaven on Earth just because of how great the quality of life was; only for it to be turned to Hell on Earth even it wasn't even 10 years old. Almost like it was too good for this world so it was destroyed.
Today most of the radiation has settled down to only a few hotspots so you can tour the ruins safely. But Pripyat will forever remain deserted; a memorial and a warning to Humanity what happens when you screw around with nuclear energy and don't understand it.
I loved this show! Plus this TV show will teach you alot, lol... great to see your pretty face again hahaha... so cute
Yeah very sad but I’m enjoying it thanks!
@@thecocoacouch ik what happens next, and I really cant wait to see your other videos... IM SO EXCITED
Loved your reaction. A tough time ahead.
Thanks. I bet 😬😭
My mom was like 12 that time and she lived in USSR (Russian part) I showed it to her and she liked it, saying it portrayed really good. Little dramatic (with kinda visible radiation and this fast visible effect), but it is for people to understand better how really horrible it was
Chernobyl: explodes
This guy: Uh oh spaghettio
I laughed so hard when you said that
31:58 actually, 2 of the 3 brave men who went into the water are, somehow, still alive. I think the third died of an unrelated cause not linked to radiation poisoning. I’m no expert on how that could’ve happened, but as I understand it, it’s kind of a miracle
Amazing reaction, can’t wait for the next part
Thanks so much! ☺️
In some german areas, mainly forests in south and east germany mushrooms are still mildly contaminated today. The meat of hunted wildlife, especially boars, have still to be checked on levels of radiation before being allowed to sell to the food industry.
I was 10 years old when chernobyl happened, living in west germany. Our parents did not allow us to play outside. Vegetables and fruits wich was harvested in germany or any possible contaminated country got banned from the shops and restaurants. At the same time my wife grew up in east germany wich was controlled by a gouvernment close to the sovjet gouvernment. Actually you could say east germany was under direct sovjet control. They didnt know anything at first, there were rumors spreading around but no one really believed it. After some weeks the information slowly got to them. But the actions the state then took were rather poorly.
Love your sensibility. You must've felt like I feel right now after Arsenal just got eliminated by Sporting at home.
😆😆 sad days my guy
@@thecocoacouch😅
If you are interested in the mindset of the Soviet Russia citizen and why those people were in such detail I recommend a video by youtuber Perun titled "How lies destroy armies - Lies, coverups, and Russian failures in Ukraine". It is in the context of the Russian failures in Ukraine but it explains perfectly the mindset that was so prevalent in ZSRR and is still alive and well in Russia today and some of the former Warsaw pact countries.
Yeah you can see why they thought it worked and it was best for the country. But it’s just plain wrong ethically and the cons outweigh the pros by a landslide. The series is so brutally honest.
I love your reaction.
good point about radiation, how it's transmitted -- one has the elements, iron and cesium and iodine and carbon and uranium and xenon and so forth, and mostly these elements are not radioactive - but there are radioisotopes, forms of these elemental substances that contain too many neutrons in their nuclei, and are extra heavy and unstable - the individual atoms of these radioisotopes will break down at random intervals, releasing radiation, mainly gamma rays (these being electromagnetic in nature, like radio waves, infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, and so on). Gamma rays are high-energy EM radiation, and are known as ionizing radiation because they are energetic enough to knock electrons off of other atoms, making those atoms chemically active. So a high exposure to gamma radiation breaks down the molecules making up organic tissue, e.i., human flesh, which will then die slowly and painfully. Gamma rays can be shielded against by sufficient thicknesses of lead or concrete. But if one is contaminated by the actual radioisotopes themselves, if the smoke of the burning graphite or the uranium dust gets on you, it'll continue to break down and release radiation as long as it's on you. Also, radioactive iodine is generated by the reaction, and will be picked up by the individual in air and water, and concentrated by the thyroid gland, leading to thyroid cancer. And if that's not bad enough, the neutrons emitted by the radioactive material can convert other atoms (e.g., in one's own body) into radioisotopes - so you yourself could become radioactive, the carbon and nitrogen and iron in your body could be converted into radioisotopes that would break down themselves and release more radiation. Finally, the dying flesh falls off the bones, pieces of internal organs are regurgitated. And all the bodily inflammatory processes are activated fully by the dying flesh, so that the dying person is racked by maximal pain - the veins become too fragile even to inject morphine. When I saw the scene with the open burning core, my jaw dropped into my lap (so to speak) with horror. I appreciate that you responded appropriately to these scenes, we all felt it when we saw this!
Welcome to the field of Chernobyl studies.
Yeah I’m so curious now after watching it through.
You should react to The Last of Us! A live-action recreation of an incredible video game that changed the course of storytelling through gaming. Craig Mazin is the same writer/producer/show-runner for Chernobyl and The Last of Us. (They broke the curse of video game adaptations universally sucking, and it's a BEAUTIFUL story, you would love it!)
They did exaggerate, or perhaps in research misunderstand, the significance of the explosion they had to stop, it wouldn't have neen *as* bad as told... but they absolutely needed to stop it
This show is a real masterpiece in TV history. 💔🇺🇦
It sucks I don't feel anything seeing drama n horror... But I can feel the emotion by watching reactors react to said awful things.
20:24 . They go to the best hospital in the Soviet Union that has ever treated a nuclear radiation disaster. Moscow hospital NO 4.
32:47 And Please Remain Calm
Spoiler alert. I just learnt that today watching ep 3&4 lol.
@@thecocoacouch dog shooting is the best episode
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa 🥲
@@thecocoacouch They also needed to be watched since they didnt exactly know what ARS will do to them. So they made few researches.
I remember this event on television when I was fourteen, and since then, I have seen a lot of documentaries about Chernobyl, though none of them quite capture the scale of this disaster or the potential disaster if they had not taken measures to mitigate it. Still, watching the people standing on the bridge with their children playing in the ashes at the outset of the disaster gave me chills. The resulting denial by all those in charge was infuriating, and the ignorance of everyone of what kind of power plant this was and its potential for disaster was surprising.
I suppose it is because of the communist government keeping its people ignorant, but it still unsettled me. It is a bit like Republicans in America right now, trying to quell the population with senseless platitudes about climate change, fascism and other fundamental dangers facing humanity. An uneducated populous is an endangered one.
I love your reactions, Oscar. You reacted just as I did as these shows unfolded. Your compassion for people and animals is endearing.
I like Boris Shcherbina's (Stellan Skarsgård) growth during the events. He starts off kind of a jerk, but the more he learns he becomes a respectable friend to Valery Legasov (Jared Harris)
There so many covered crimes by russian empire then ussr and now russia, so many people were killed and silenced by them, so many identities were destroyed.
I think the TV show doesn’t show all 100% of horrors and suffering that they caused.
I like the words at the beginning, because now the same is happening, russia still is a part of UN, telling their lies about the war in Ukraine.
Actually speaking about Chernobyl i remember seeing a documentary on the most radioactive man, it was really horrible but a really good documentary. Not your tradiontal type of documentary on youtube: ( The Radioactive Man Kept Alive Against His Will )
Oh okay. I may check it out in my free time. Finding it hard to find things to watch that I don’t want to use for a video 😂. Cheers.
@@thecocoacouch yah if you want a more realistic video of that, there is another one with like 6 million views, really graphic though.
@@duckthuglife dang okay 🥲 I'll see how I go
11:56 12:0
I will note that the TV show actually overplays the damage done by the Chernobyl meltdown. It was horrific. That absolutely cannot be denied. With that said, they greatly overstate the amount of damage that was both being risked and actually done.
I really like Elina Charatsidou's channel if you want a realistic take on nuclear power and disasters.
www.youtube.com/@YourFriendlyNuclearPhysicist
Cheers! I’ll check it out. I absolutely love when real life is captured and translated into the big screen but it’s always good to see more documentary style/education videos to get a real understanding.
The firemens´´ clothes had dust on the that was radioactive, emitting all kinds of radiation. That´s why the nurses and doctor got those symptomes.
As for the iodine tablets, it is to saturate the thyroid gland with non-radioactive iodine so it won´t take up that from the accident and emit radiation from itself. That is very, very bad.
Great miniseries.
Listen to the podcast by the creator, it follows the episodes, if you wanna know a little more.