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1 Corinthians 8:5-6 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Thank you so much for this amazing content:) I greatly appreciate it! I am not Mormon, (I consider myself between Reformed Baptist and Anglican), but how do we also deal with Psalm 82? Especially with its clear use of "elohim". I always considered Isaiah 43 to be about the everlasting nature of the Trinity and how he is the King and creator of everything, yet there are still other divine beings, (angels and demons, but they could be called wrongly worshipped as gods). Therefore, YHWH is calling out the fallen-angles (gods or something else?) and pagans for their worship of these gods.
@@portraits_of_blissn a world where the divide that really matters is between those on the side of God the Father and his only begotten son Jesus Christ and those who are on Lucifer’s side. I do not understand why Jeff is persistent on going after the good when he should focus more on the Dark and those that follow Satan.
He says he loves the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and would love to live amongst them. This is because we try to live our religion (not just show up on Easter and Christmas), and so he is witnessing the fruits of the gospel which are good. A house divided against itself cannot stand. If Christ is at the head of His church, it will bear good fruit. If he is not, then the fruits will be sour…and Jeff wouldn’t want to live among us like he says he does.
I need this. 2 mormons just came to my house and all I could say was we dont believe in the same Jesus, they are in a cult and whenever an Angel appears to someone and gives them extra texts to stay away from it and linked that to Islam as well. Then they asked if anyone in the neighborhood would like to hear their message. And i replied Not from the mormon church. I probably screwed that up. But thats all that came to me. I'm very articulate when i know you. But strangers I get this sense of anxiety and feel like I'm shaking while saying these things. I need to get better. Lol. I want to get better.
@@Eagle_Powers I have a few morman friends and they're afraid to preach to me. My faith in Jesus is strong so I witness to them, they haven't walked away yet 🙏🙏🙏
As an ex Mormon I’m thankful for people like Jeff. I became born again long before I learned about Jeff and crew but he’s doing it right. Mormonism is extremely hard to get out of due to lifelong brainwashing. From the time you can pay attention all you hear is, I’d like to bear my testimony and I know the church is true and that Joseph Smith is a true prophet. You are encouraged to repeat it frequently. Around 14 is when I knew things weren’t right and when I questioned it all I was told is you just need to have faith but I still believed as a Jack Mormon and would defend it. In my 20’s I heard an actual pastor teach straight from the Bible and I couldn’t get enough. That’s when I realized that I was hungry for the truth. It took several more years but I eventually gave my life to Christ. I have my wife and aunt who both lovingly led me to Christ. If you’re a Mormon and seeking truth it’s out there and leaving Mormonism is hard but the feeling of getting out of that bondage is amazing.
Same here dude, great story, my wife and her pastor taught me who the real Christ is. Still after 3 years born again in my word everyday having to unteach myself false "truth's", of the Mormon church
Real question, why are you still Christian after leaving Mormonism? 90% of exmos are atheists because deconstructing Mormonism shows them the truth about all of Christianity.
At least you were honest enough to admit you are essentially a child who wasnt taking your faith or covenants eriously. Why would you pick till death do us part over all time and eternity with your wife?
@@HaleStorm49 I was trying to take it seriously but nobody could ever answer my question. Anytime I found a problem with the faith nobody could give me an answer. It was always you just have to have faith. Faith in what? A faith that can be proven wrong at every turn. I couldn’t just go on faith alone. I needed some form of evidence. I probably know more about the Mormon church than most Mormons. There’s no such thing as an eternity with my wife biblically. The idea that when you’re sealed to your family just isn’t biblical either. I learned to get my information on the only trusted source that we have and that is the Bible. 99% of Mormons won’t do it but if you were to do a deep dive into what is biblical and what isn’t you would find out that you’ve been lied to all along. I didn’t want to believe it even when I knew it was true. It’s really hard to get out of the brainwashing. I pray one day you will too.
Every organized cult has some system/means of retention. With mormonism; that means is done through the familial ties. Generational cradle to grave indoctrination is a tough nut to crack. Hats off to Pastor Durbin and Doctor James White for the work they do to deprogram the LDS cult.
@@bricksandconcrete so you believe Jesus is lying when he says unless you believe He is Lord you will die in your sins? Because that’s what you’re touting here.
Two very kind missionaries told me recently they never were formed. Only the spirit and body were formed. But they said they've eternally existed an "intelligences".
God wasn’t speaking to people who thought they were worshipping idols but people who were worshipping gods when they bowed down to gods that they had formed. So it absolutely makes sense to have addressed them the way he did. Jeff Durbin is so critical he doesn’t think straight.
I once went to an evangelical/born-again church and the pastor came up to me before the service and welcomed me. He asked where I was from and I said "Utah", to which he replied "oh. So you're Mormon?" And I said "yes, but I'm here with my friend and checking out his church." That pastor shook my hand and then we went to our seats. The service started and the pastor began a 30 minute lecture on why Mormons are going to hell and why Joseph Smith is a false prophet. After the service the pastor came up to me and asked if I had any questions about the service. I replied "Well, when are you going to talk about Jesus?" This is, in a nutshell, my experience with people like Jeff Durbin. Once they find out you're Mormon or a non-creedal Christian, they will then spend their time talking down to you. They won't talk about Jesus. Want proof? Go talk to Jeff and tell him you're Mormon (even if you're not) and see what happens ;-) I guarantee you, Jeff won't mention the Gospel of Jesus, but he will mention the Gospel of Jeff ;-)
The Jesus Christ of the Bible offers forgiveness of sins, salvation, eternal life, and exaltation for free if you are interested. That is how much God loves you. ❤️
Jeff Durbin says that Psalm 90:2 says that God has been God from eternity into eternity but the most literal translation of Psalm 90:2 is; “Before mountains were brought forth, And Thou dost form the earth and the world, Even from age unto age Thou [art] God.”
The intended fruits of the gospel are being experienced within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Disbelief will never change this reality.
I just want to take a minute and thank you for all of the good work you guys on this channel are doing. THE TRUTH will always be attacked. THE TRUTH will always be hated. It's been this way since the beginning of time, and it will continue to the end of time. You guys are one of the greatest missionary forces we have right now. Your very attacks on the Prophet JosephSmith, the Book of mormon, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are actually fulfilling prophecy and scripture. Jesus taught in the new Testament how to know a true prophet; Luke 6: 22-23, 26. Please read it for yourself. Jesus said if a prophet is hated and attacked , this testifies that he speaks the truth and is a true prophet. Christ even said, "we should, "leap for joy, " because the very attacks on truth confirms its very truthfulness. So, please, please, please continue to make more and more videos about our faith because the more you hate and attack, the more it testifies the truth. I would be very worried if there was never opposition to the prophet Joseph Smith, but that is not the case. There are multiple multiple youtube channels ( mormon Stories, utah apologia, mormon Discussion, apologia, etc.)dedicated and organized for the very purpose of destroying Joseph smith and the LDS church. All of these anti mormon attacks do one thing for me, they make me "LEAP FOR JOY, " AND THEY ACTAUALLY BUILD UP MY TESTIMONY, and not destroy it. Please keep up the great work because the more you attack my faith, the more it convinces me and testifies to me that it's true. Thank you, and god bless in all the great work you do.
Jesus Christ said that he would divide people and families. The truth naturally divides people. Matthew 10:34-37; Luke 12:51-53; To be worthy of Jesus and eternal life, one must side with God's truth even if it divides his own family.
Well done, fellers… 👍 In the original vid Jeff shared with the young mormon that Christ said His Words would never pass away… and THAT FACT should give everyone including mormons pause because Jesus was spot-on as per usual. I do believe the Holy Spirit speaking thru Paul also anticipated mormonism in Galatians 1:8-12. At any rate, thank you for your ministry.🙏
Joseph said he doesn't compare to Jesus - because Joseph said he did more and was more successful at it than Jesus. Mormonism appeals to peoples natural pride in ourselves. Oldest lie in the book.
@@bricksandconcrete “Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet…When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go” (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408).
Actually, David Alexander was correct in pointing out that Is 43:10 needs to be read in context, referring to graven images (42:8, 17; 44:9). Believe it or not, but there is no official LDS teaching in the Standard Works about who was God the Father's father, or heavenly Mother, etc. What a 19th century prophet said doesn't mean that everything they said was the word of God. LDS actually believe in a three in one God: Father, Son, Holy Ghost are one in fullness, will, authority, eternity, and purpose; they just don't believe in the Nicene definition. And I believe that God is not going split hairs about it, or that our eternal destiny is dependent on having a correct knowledge of God.
A Builder Or a Wrecker As I watched them tear a building down A gang of men in a busy town With a ho-heave-ho, and a lusty yell They swung a beam and the side wall fell I asked the foreman, “Are these men skilled, And the men you’d hire if you wanted to build?” He gave a laugh and said, “No, indeed, Just common labor is all I need.” “I can easily wreck in a day or two, What builders have taken years to do.” And I thought to myself, as I went my way Which of these roles have I tried to play' Am I a builder who works with care, Measuring life by rule and square? Am I shaping my work to a well-made plan Patiently doing the best I can' Or am I a wrecker who walks to town Content with the labor of tearing down? “O Lord let my life and my labors be That which will build for eternity!”
dude I am interested in what you think about the movie "Sounds of Freedom" since mormons are involved in this movie. The same people behind "The Chosen" - In my Opinion a false Jesus Christ. I dont know what to think about Mel Gibson and Jim Caviezel. In my Optionen the "The Passion of the Christ" symbols a false Jesus Christ, too. Would love to hear your thoughts about that. Dont get me wrong, I think the topic is extremely important, but I dont trust the people behind it, furthermore since it is getting pushed on all platforms
“And I saw a strong angel, who shouted with a loud voice: “Who is worthy to break the seals on this scroll and open it?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it.” Revelation 5:2-3 Mormons: “Hold on now…I am.” 🤦♂️
I'm definitely onboard with Isaiah 43:10 as to the actual God. At one point in history any mysterious creature(s) that could do things we can't were identified as gods. Demonic? Yes, absolutely. Exodus 20:3-5 explains these gods we aren't allowed to have before, besides, or after God. Being "enlightened" we have other names for the same old creatures.
Can someone pls explain where and how exactly does the devil lure you to sin, I accept and understand the concept that giving in to sin is our own free choice, but knowing that the devil cannot read your thoughts nor put thoughts in our heads, where does the exact action come in from the devil's part?
Well hold on, this is a clear case of semantics. While idol is a different word, oftentimes they are used interchangeably to articulate the same principle(s). So one of the key differences here, at least in my opinion, is that the LDS are talking principles and theyre literal words are simply being used against them when they might not be literal. At least thats what my argument would have been, but im not any of these gentlemen and im neither a LDS or a denominational Christian. I could say more about this, but comments are best used for short form responses rather than long form discussion.
Also, the LDS term "exaltation" which is the word used to describe becoming a god, is really not much different from many other religions or even sects of Christianity. Other words within the Christian sphere include "theosis," "apotheosis," and even "divination." French Jesuit Priest Teilhard de Chardin wrote about what he coined as "the Omega point" which describes the point when humanity would evolve into near perfection. The secularists would call this the "singularity" especially considering the advent of AI where the singularity represents the evolution and perfection of consciousness. So my point is this, if so many different contrasting views are all oriented in a similar way, then it would be reasonable to say that they're all oriented toward the same thing or at the minimum, similar enough. If we're all looking at the same goal, how can you say your goal is the right one? (I'm not saying anybody is right here, just putting this out there). Peace and love 😅
Jeff Durbin then quotes Isaiah 44:6 as a proof text that besides him there is no God. Latter Day Saints would agree that despite the Bible teaching that there are multiple gods in existence there is no God to us to be worshipped, but one; the Father.
I like trying a little thought experiment. Imagine if you were a unitary god, how would you declare that you were only one person so that heresies like a Trinity, biunity, etc wouldn’t be followed by your people?
Tha Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all called God in the Bible. The Bible also says there is only one Divine Being. All three persons interact with each other in the Bible. These three facts can only be understood in a trinitarian theology
@@avibenavraham your thought experiment misunderstands the Trinity. God is one. All of the verses mentioned in the video where God declares that He is the only God and He is totally unique are not in any way contradictory to a Trinitarian theology. In combination with the facts that the Jesus and the Holy Spirit are both called God, the fact that they interact with one another, and that there is only one God are only workable in a Trinitarian theology. How would you as a non-trinitarian explain those facts?
@@avibenavraham a simply unitary being could describe Himself the way God does in these passages in Isaiah, but we know that God is complex in His unity from other clear passages in Scripture
@@davidm8135 uh I’m Jewish so I don’t believe in Jesus. You again are not answering how a unitary god would describe himself as, and essentially saying Trinitarianism is non-falsifiable. No matter how unitary G-d is described in the Hebrew bible, it can always be comported into a trinity (or a 2/5/9 person being)
the way to identify any "unsound doctrine" is that at least 12 key points must be adhered to ; in order to uphold the Gospel. 1) Original sin. See Genesis and Pauls teachings on 'we all fall short'.We are all born in sin (hence we require salvation). 2) God is all powerful - and the only God. 3) the "Word" was with God - his instruction and teaching "made flesh" in Jesus. 4) Isaiah - received prophesy via Holy Spirit from God of the Messiah - Jesus wasn't just some random guy. God knew he was going to send him and gave this knowledge beforehand. 5) John is primary witness to Christ as are the disciples and apostles. 6) Mary - a virgin is visited by Holy Spirit and made to conceive Jesus. This has to be done this way ; or Jesus would not be Son of God. 7) Jesus is Son of God and born of a Virgin via the power of the Holy Spirit. 8) Jesus performs a whole bunch of miracles (and teaching). He could not do this if God hadn't intended him to and given him the power from the father. 9) Jesus is resurrected and shows himself at Emmaus etc, Re: doubting Thomas Story. Blessed are those who have not seen , and yet believed.... 10) Jesus ascension into heaven to be back with God. 11) Jesus Sacrifice provides us with salvation (if we believe) 12) The Holy Spirit is Gods mechanism (or power tool) to make things happen and do his will. Every false or unsound doctrine - undermines these things. All of these things hold true and are backed up by multiple pieces of scripture and they all hang together in a cohesive - canonical and theological sense. If you take any of these items away - like you don't believe Jesus is Son of God, then he's just a guy - well then how did he do the miracles without the power of God? If you believe Mary wasn't a virgin and Jesus came about some other way - same story. If you don't believe Jesus was resurrected - how can any of us possibly be resurrected. If you don't believe in the holy spirit - then you can't believe Isaiah's prophesy. If you believe Mary is the mother of God, you are breaking the first three commandments, If you think a person can 'become a god' - thats not giving God his rightful respect ( as he's the only one) etc etc. It all hangs together very neatly - every stumbling block easily overcome when you have all the pieces of the jigsaw from scripture and the Holy Spirit shows you.
Jeff Durbin’s point is completely moot seeing as Latter Day Saints don’t believe any gods are ever formed the way ancient Hebrews were forming their gods out of wood or stone. When God says no god was formed before him and that no god will be formed after him is he admitting that he was formed? There’s all kinds of ways you can interpret a text.
Has Jeff ever recorded a one on one debate with an LDS theologian? I mean, I know he likes to catch out young missionaries with his Bible bashing techniques and put these "critique" videos out, but does he actually ever have a civil debate? His tactics don't seem very Christ-like.
This dude argues with missionaries. Missionaries are called to NOT argue, just to lay out the facts that God is VERY active in these latter days, and you take em or leave em at your own detriment.
Whenever anyone has a question or dispute with the LDS they always say, "Go talk to the missionaries" however its now ambushing young people when they cannot answer. So why be called elder if you're just young and ignorant? Missionaries are supposed to be the teachers going out and converting people. They have a field day with people who do not know their bible however they flee from "debate" because they cannot handle it when someone actually knows their scriptures.
@@bloviaxyou guys are against going to see tank luciferian Days inn mission kids are not telling anybody there here to deceive and. Their actions extra prove they're against God and and later days in truth real later days that are later and are days.
@@bloviaxapparently satanic Mormons never actually watched his debate with some of the more on kids especially the black Oreo kid kwaku got his ass handed to him several times only deal with sidestep gaslight go off-topic derail run from the topic and just basically it's that. U know nothing and like all people you were spiritually deceived here as the kullttist I pray you are saved from this hellful darkness.
Instead of talking around each other why not just discuss things in person? Making claims of dishonesty and misrepresenting each other only serves your own echo chambers, which if that's your goal then by all means proceed good sirs, but it seems it would be more beneficial to the greater whole to discuss things in person. Instead of talking about guys like David Alexander and Jacob Hansen I'd love to see you talk with them in a charitable, productive manner. Just a thought. God bless!
Please don't spoil it for yourselves your amazing labourers for God's glory. But I'm talking about standing outside abortion clinics shaming people. As with the woman caught in adaltry if it had been abortion Jesus would have said let those without sin cast the first stone. Jesus never came to shame anyone.. Be gentle. God loves these people please don't send them the wrong message about Jesus we are all guilty at times but that doesn't make it right.Amen and Blessings.
Think about something like math. In grade 1 we learn simple addition and subtraction. That’s all we are ready for. Trying to teach calculus to a 1st grader is not going to work well, as they haven’t first grasped the basics. Because the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints have been given the further light and knowledge from a loving Heavenly Father who still loves and speaks to His children, those outside of our faith are like 1st graders trying to understand calculus. It’s not covered in grade 1 math. When you’re ready for the further light and knowledge you will accept that God speaks to more than one nation, and that he continues, as in ancient days, to deliver His words of guidance and counsel through His prophets. Sorry you don’t get it - but it makes sense to us, and the glory of God is intelligence, and He is not a God of confusion but of order. He doesn’t want us to stay in grade 1 and whine if we get further light and knowledge.
@@bricksandconcreteI find I can quickly sift out an LDS comment in the comments section as they generally just try to explain a truth; whereas the other side just throws mud.
you gotta sit down and just read Isaiah chapters 40-50 honestly. let God just speak to you. he speaks clearly. don’t read it through the false BOM lens Joseph Smith gave you.
That's a very common and arrogant LDS line about other faiths just being too ignorant to understand their belief. It's oftentimes used when they cannot actually defend their position. In fact LDS beliefs are not hard to understand, however they just are unbiblical
Don’t be historically ignorant. Even the Bible itself reveals Yahweh was far from alone. “When Elyon [‘Most High’] apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the divine sons; for Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob [Israel] his allotted share.” -Deuteronomy 32.8-9. The oldest fragment of Deuteronomy 32:8-9 not only locates Yahweh within a pantheon, but also reveals exactly who his father was. It describes the separation of humans into distinct groups (‘peoples’ or ‘nations’), and explains why each group was allocated a particular deity to act as its special patron. But the deity supervising this division of divine labour is not Yahweh, but Elyon - a title of El reflecting his role as the ‘Most High’ god of the pantheon. Thanks to ancient scribal emendations seeking to ‘correct’ the polytheism of these verses, this reading (variously reflected in the Greek and the Dead Sea Scrolls) is not always found in modern Bibles.
Fascinating stuff. When people believe stuff like this (which I'm not saying that pantheon was real/imagined or good/evil entities), why do they have such a beef with equally stunning ideas about eternal life and our relationship with God as revealed through Joseph Smith (likely Mesiah Ben Joseph)?
@@bloviaxauntie Kristina Smith is in Hellfire screen forever bro your darkness and it's time for you to repent and every Wicked evil deed that you spewed and have it all done against you and have you be set free and clean.
Jeff Durbin falls back on the ludicrous doctrine of the trinity so he doesn’t have to justify the existence of more than one god. But the Godhead is made up of three separate beings who are each a god. Also the Bible clearly teaches that our God is a God of gods; Deuteronomy 10:17, Joshua 22:22, Psalms 82:1, Psalms 82:6, Psalms 136:2, Daniel 11:36.
Anyone that claims to have the true interpretation of scripture has to claim authority from god to some degree to do so. Looking at verses 11-13: "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. I have revealed and saved and proclaimed-I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "that I am God. Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?" I would say that the context of this passage is not one of general theology where God is declaring himself to be the only divine being in existance as if he were just sharing a piece of doctrine, but rather a very specific and practical command to recognize him as Israel's only God, and the only only God to be worshipped. Along with this, there is plenty of evidence to support the fact that the Jewish religion was not strictly monotheistic in the old testament and only recently was solidified as such. Yes we have one God, one God we worship. The presence of other divine beings as described in 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 does not negate his role in our lives. "5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." But before going into discussing scriptures and their meaning, its important to understand where one is claiming authority to interpret the word of God. Most religions like Apologia Studios use the same authority that all protestant religions use. The Bible (a scholarly claim to authority condemned in scriptures) accompanied by the holy spirit. Because most churches use this same authority, protestants disagree on the true meaning of numerous scriptures just as much with each other as they do with the LDS Church. Anyone can add the context they want to scriptures to fit their interpretation by highlighting facts that support their interpreation while ignoring others. True authority to declare meaning of scripture comes from God himself to his chosen servants, something he has has always done as evidenced throughout the Bible.
how convenient. We have gone from "the Bible can't be trusted, because it's mistranslated", to "the Bible can't be trusted, because only we have the authority to interpret it".
@@BrendonKing I don't understand the argument you are making. LDS people read and learn from the bible just as much as any other Christian. We do recognize that mistranslations can change meaning, but so do all Christians. That's why pastors going through seminary will often study the bible in original Hebrew and Greek. And all Christians do this too... If there is a pastor that reads from the bible and teaches from his or her church that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and then you disagree with him. Are you not trusting the bible? Or are you mistrusting his interpretation of the bible? If your answer is the latter, then you would agree with me that someone whose only authority is the bible is not authority at all.
@@BroBear_35Paul is refuteful to you on Corinthians he's the belief in literal God or Gods aside and other religions in his world are there but again he says for you on your correction and rebuke there's only one. Paul is not a place to go to he doesn't help you and he doesn't even give you any statement at all see that's you form kulltts out of that from obscure passages about truly reading a text and understanding it spiritually or textually and grammar.
@@charliejackson5492 Almost every variation of Christianity exists because each sect emphasizes certain scriptures over others. Refer to my original statement and the importance of authority. You yourself ask me to understand a text spiritually, textually, and grammarlly, and thats all most Christain churches do despite disagreeing on so much doctrine. This is how jews during Christs time sought to understand scripture too and was clearly a mistake. Until you can explain to me why your interpretation of scripture is more valid than the next person that reads the bible (which in almost all cases is a more scholarly interpretation), I have no reason to believe your interpration has any worth beyond personal revelation God has given to you through it. You asking me to "truly read the text" is nonsensical because I could tell you to do the same thing until your interpretation matches mine.
@@BroBear_35 well apparently Jesus didn't understand the Bible either cuz he had his own interpretation so there's a problem sex are not allowed if they are in there because of sex makes stuff up and a fake false devilish doctrines of devils out of mistreating pastors of a book then guess what that sect is a cult and it's fraud
What value is there in discussing ANYTHING with Jacob Hansen? The man's theological foundation is as sturdy as pudding. Don't like the prophet? Throw it out. Don't like scripture? Throw it out. Don't like spiritual confirmation? Throw it out.
@@cabarete2003 The whole "Collective Witness" shtick he sells wholesale is laughable. There is objective truth. You cannot just throw it out when you think it doesn't fit your worldview or paradigm.
I think all religions point to the same god, they call him different things and attribute different things to him but I think they are all trying to get to the same thing and give people a foundation to build a moral and righteous life upon.
No they don't. Different Gods far different some similar others not so. Somewhere Not even God based and are Satanic luciferian kullts like the moron kulltt and j witness kullt also.
What does it matter to you what Mormons choose to believe! Do you not recognize their rights to worship the way they want? Religious freedom is a fundamental human right guaranteed by the Constitution. It is the right to think, express and act upon what you deeply believe, according to the dictates of conscience. I have a lot more respect for people like Krister Stendhal Bishop of Stockholm in the Lutheran church of Sweden who talked about "Holy Envy" when it comes other faiths. You should look it up and reflect upon it. Bishop Stendhal displayed a true Christ like attribute, you Sir display only a spirit of contention. I sincerely hope that one day, like Saint Paul, your eyes will be opened and that you will come to understand the meaning of charity as talked about in 1 Corinthians 13.
@Kman. Truth is inherent to each individual. We are all agents into ourselves. I am free, based on the dictates of my own conscience, to place my faith in whatever doctrinal principal I choose to believe in, just as you are. And seriously, "because truth matters." What a weak answer to my comments!
@@espmind68 _"Truth is inherent to each individual."_ Is that true? It looks like we're left to craft our own truth, 'eh? *smh* I thought Mormons (if you are one), @ least TRIED to hold to a higher std.
Acts 7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever Christian apologists place so much emphasis on an eternal progression of gods, you would think that's what "Mormons" talk about in their wards every Sunday. But it isn't. It's just Apologia doing what they do best: distorting LDS doctrine.
@@uganda_mn397 John 17:20-21. The Intercessory Prayer clearly describes Christ's relationship with the Father. He prays for unity with the apostles as He has with the Father. Jesus is NOT the same substance as the Father. In every other way they are the same. God isn't some incomprehensible entity.
@@catotheyounger2689 john says let them become one - in future Just like we are one - already happened ( according to grammar ) Why is then Jesus been called The Lord in Isaiah 9:6
@@uganda_mn397 the grammar doesn't take away from the point I made. Christ can still be Lord if He is distinct from the Father. He is suggesting here that both the apostles and the Father are distinct, and they can be united in purpose. It isn't the same as polytheism
God is translated Eloheim. God is a title just like father is a title. The title father has always existed just as the title God has always existed. No beginning, no end. There are good Gods, bad Gods, good fathers, bad fathers. There are only good Gods in heaven, there are no other bad Gods beside Eloheim(plural).
Trinitarians need to be consistent if Jesus having certain titles /attributes that JEHOVAH has means he is JEHOVAH then we must add some others to the Godhead. Daniel ch.2:46KJV"Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him. " Note please that Daniel raised no objections clearly as per Trinitarian logic Daniel must be JEHOVAH. Matthew ch.23:9KJV"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. " JEHOVAH alone is Father of believers according to our Lord James ch.2:21NIV"Was not Abraham our father..." Again a consistent application of Trinitarian logic demands that we consider Abraham a member of the Godhead.
Proof texts taken out of context. God didn't say man wouldn't create idols. Yes there were idols before Moses and after God's statement about no other God's after me. In context the Father and the Son whether Catholic/Calvinist view or not, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost breaks your own argument. According to your definition the three are equal. The Son begotten, not created, on the right hand of the Father. God wasn't saying here, there is no son at my right hand. Elohim is plurality. Taken at face value indicates what it says. You have to take break with the literal of no other gods or with plurality of Gods. If you break with using proof texts to say what you want, you will find deeper meaning. The Calvinist view of the prayer that the Father and Son be one, has very shallow meaning of numeric oneness. The Bible uses one in many places referring to a people being united. Even in this prayer Jesus is praying that we become one a he and the Father are one. In which context are you becoming one? Numerically? In that same context is Christ and the Father one. Jesus spoke of the scripture that cannot be broken calling you gods. No. I'm sure you are using Calvinist religion over the words of Christ and the Bible.
Hey David Alexander, how long before you become a God and have billions and billions of people on a planet bowing down and worshipping you as the one true God? 🤔
Carry the one... I have NEVER heard any saint ever put eternal life in terms of "how many people will worship me" like some low rent superhero demi-god.
@@MapleBoarder78 If you want ever want to talk to a Latter-day Saint, let me know. I'm just a guy like you, but I've seen the Saints action for a lot of years and there is nothing that compares to the adventure here IMO. It is very fitting that the gospel, of all places, was restored on the American frontier. The developments of recent years are just astounding.
Lol - you clearly are not familiar with Jeff Durbin and his ministry… he knows the Bible like the back of his hand, and the desire of his heart is that none of you should perish, therefore the Holy Spirit gives him this amazing gift of presenting the truth of the true gospel. To think he would be intimidated by David Alexander is pretty laughable.
Hardly so my friend, & I will echo what the person below me stated, that you're obviously not familiar with Durbin & the ministries he's involved with.
Can you refer to a timestamp in this less than 2min video that Jeff was “threatened and very nervous”? He’s the one going to where the LDS folks are to share with them the truth of God’s Word. Your attempt to kick up dust & make false claims to distract others is failing.
Wow. Jeff is quite the master manipulator of scripture and doctrine! There are a number of things wrong with this argument, but I’ll just keep to the primary topic at hand, which Jeff conveniently brings up only once or twice while redirecting the focus on “Mormonism.” The primary point here that the representative brought up was that Isaiah 43:10 was within the context of the Lord addressing the worship of other gods manifested by physical idols. It begins with focus on physical object made by man but later expands to animals and entire nations of people. Jeff’s response was to read the text “in context.” But he didn’t. He just repeated the verse (plus verse 11 which essentially summarizes verse 10). He does mention that this concept of the Lord being the only god is found throughout chapters 40-46 and encourages everyone to read them. I encourage that as well, because if you do read them you will see that the true CONTEXT of these chapters revolves around the refuting of idol worship! If you go a chapter further to 47 the Lord announces the destruction of Babylon and Chaldea for comparing themselves to God (a form of idol worship) and using that comparison to justify their wickedness. Jeff states that there are many examples throughout chapters 40-46 wherein the Lord speaks about being the only god (which is true, again being in the context of condemning idol worship). He then says that he wasn’t going to read them all but would give a couple examples using Isaiah 40:18 as the first. OMG! He conveniently skips to verse 25, completely ignoring the very next two versus!!! Allow me to repeat verse 18 for you but I will actually put it into context by including the next two versus: 18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? 19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. 20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved. The very scripture Jeff quotes to support his argument that the original verse mentioned was NOT regarding idol worship (and idol creation as well) is in the direct context of the Lord condemning idol worship, making a mockery of it saying that a wise person would choose a tree that will not rot (as man made wooden idols would eventually do) and a “graven image” (aka: man-made idol) that shall not be moved (as physical objects that people were claiming to be their actual gods could be stolen and/or lost and then where is your god?). Those were my two biggest issues with this argument, but I will just throw out there as well that I find it ironic again that Jeff chose to quote 40:18 as 40:20 uses the verbiage “graven image” which again is another way of describing an “idol.” Jeff substitutes the word “idol” in the scripture being contested and mocks the thought of it being in context of idols with the idea that it didn’t work, yet here the Lord is using verbiage synonymous with the word “idol” as symbolic imagery representing himself. As for all of the other points concerning doctrines and beliefs held by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), I could make many videos explaining how these concepts are being twisted so as to fit his purpose. I’m not saying that there wasn’t truth in his comments, but the truths mentioned were in such a way so as to stir emotions while also conveniently ignoring other key concepts that were left out. If you truly want to know more about the LDS church and the doctrines and beliefs therein, I suggest going to the source, the Church itself, and then decide on your own what you want to believe. You can learn more at www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist.
@@uganda_mn397 That’s exactly what God is doing. He is saying that there will be no other god for them to worship. It’s also worth noting that God teaches line upon line and precept upon precept. Christ explained this concept multiple times as many contested His actions as being against the laws of Moses, stating that He came to provide higher laws. Forget about committing adultry…don’t even look upon a woman to lust after her. Forget about not killing…don’t even think ill of your neighbor. The doctrine Jeff is contesting in the original video (not this one) has more to it than what he is touching upon here and would be a higher law than what was previously taught in olden times. Just as much as people wouldn’t be able to follow the commandment “don’t think ill of your neighbor” if they can’t even follow the commandment “thou shalt not kill,” so too would people have difficulty understanding a higher doctrine regarding God and our eternal existence if they can’t even grasp the concept of worshiping only him and not other idols.
@@pistachio-cat1043 Not if you put it into the context of our mortal existence and practice of worshiping gods. A popular false god of the time was Baal who didn’t exist during our creation, only God did. Also, just like Jeff, you’re ignoring the context of the scripture which is all about idol worship.
@@pistachio-cat1043 No, it’s not. You’re correct. But the argument Jeff was making in this specific video was that the scripture referenced wasn’t about worshiping idols which you yourself acknowledged that it did. You said that the scripture refutes idol worship on the basis “those” gods do not exist. Yeah, those gods whose likenesses the idols are after. So really, you are absolutely right! This scripture IS about refuting idol worship (all idols whether they represent actual dieties or not) and that is NOT mutually exclusive with refuting the existence of other beings (ie: gods) existing outside of the scope of our mortal existence.
@@pistachio-cat1043 Just as has been mentioned, this is in reference to the worshipping of idols, specifically as gods, but these idols are not really gods, they are false gods, and there has never been nor ever will be any god made for us to worship. We are to worship God and only God.
I think both are wrong. It's clear they believed there were many elohim, but only one ha elohim. They used to believe other spiritual beings existed and had power and were represented in some of those idols, but God is clear when he said he created all those spiritual beings who eventually rebelled and led the nations to other beliefs. Actually psalm 82 is God confronting those said spiritual beings (elohim)
@@BongBing11 In the hebrew Bible there are different word to refer to angels and demons. "Elohim" is a different term, as Michael Heiser would explain, it refers to a type of being in a "location". Samuel is referred to as an "elohim" when spoke to Saul from "sheol". Good and bad spiritual beings are referred to as "elohim" in scriptures, apart from "malaj/malak" (angel) or "shedim" (demon). The belief of bible writers of the OT believed there were other "elohim", that's why comparing "Ha Elohim" to them made sense, otherwise, it was a pointless comparison. It's clear in Psalm 82 when YHWH is in the middle of the elohim and he judges them for leading the people's astray. We'd be mistaken to apply our perspective of God and how we see those concepts to the Bible, specially the OT, where it's clear they believed in other created spiritual beings called elohim or "gods" (keeping the meaning of their context).
Your videos are astounding. How you manage to corrupt the true meaning of scripture on every turn. God was right when he said they draw near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me. Your theology is all corrupt and thus your heart is corrupt. Repent and seek God's true understanding. It S great in the light. Lds.
Whoever seeks out missionaries to pick a fight with them doesn't understand the role of missionaries. Guys like this were a serious waste of my precious time. The very few missionaries who did engage with dudes like this were the ones who we all knew didn't get the gravity of their calling and the urgency to find those who were hungering to know that God speaks again today, and that prophets, power, temples, and revelation are back in a huge way. Not the same old same old same old Christian harangue.
John 21:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." Jeff I love you man but you have Satan in your heart when you deny the divine nature of mankind. We are the children of divinity. Made in God's image. Same wording used in both Gen. 1:26 and Gen. 5:3. Christ said if you have seen me you have seen the Father. Acts 17:29 if the Godhead is not "like unto gold, or silver, or stone" then what is it to be likened to, according to Paul? Jesus looked like us, a man! And he was God! And man in the beginning was created in the likeness of God. Can it be taught more plainly?? In John 10:34-36 Jesus even points out the hypocrisy of the pharisees wanting to stone him for saying he is the Son of God, when according to their own scripture (Psalms 82:6) we are all gods.
Isaiah 55 says - My ways are higher than your ways. And in other places He says - I The Lord do not change, how can He say that if He has changed according to you?
Wow. Jesus Christ is God, no one else is. Mankind is not divine at all. Satan claimed that in the garden, that 'Ye shall be as God' - it's the first an oldest lie. You are not divine, not here on earth or anywhere, ever.
@franceshaypenny8481 except in that same chapter a few verses later it says: "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil..." Satan's lie was that they would not die. He sweetened that lie with a truth, that they would "be as gods, knowing good and evil." The condescension of God, is that he became a man, suffered for our sins, died, was resurrected, and then ascended back into heaven. That is the pattern of humanity. We fall, we suffer, we die, we are resurrected.
@uganda_mn397 same way Jesus changed from boy, to man, to corpse, to resurrected being? The same way God expresses grief sometimes, then gladness at others?
@@tybaltmarr2158 His Nature doesn't change of course He changed while i body but that's a different topic. But how can you say that God has changed when He expresses grief or happiness? I mean you stay the same being no matter the mood. I mean tell me, how do you transition between man to God and God being angry and happy about something. I mean, you don't turn into a duck when you change mood
Isaiah ch.46:5 NIV"“With whom will you compare me or count me equal? To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?" The trinitarian Jesus certainly can't make such an implied assertion. However the biblical JEHOVAH can. Psalm ch.83:18KJV"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."
Why then does the angel say to joseph you will call Him The Lord Saves because He will save His People And yet God says in Isaiah, besides me there is no Saviour
@@uganda_mn397 by this logic Moses must also be JEHOVAH. James ch.4:12NIV"There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, ..." Note JEHOVAH is Israel's only Lawgiver. But note also John ch.7:19NIV"Has not Moses given you the Law?...." Jesus declared that Moses is Israel's Lawgiver,thus as per Trinitarian logic Moses must be the most high God. Indeed there is at least as much Trinitarian style "evidence" that Moses is JEHOVAH as there is that Jesus is JEHOVAH. What about Abraham? Matthew ch.23:9NIV"And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." Clear enough the believers have but one Father. James ch.2:21NIV"Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?" Thus as per Trinitarian reasoning Abraham must be JEHOVAH.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 no, false logic, moses gave the law physically to us and placed it to The Ark Moses gave us the law in the sense of being given and gave. But Jesus claimed to be Saviour ans yet if He isn't Fod He cannot be because His Father says there is no other Saviour. If Jesus spoke the Truth, He Is The God
@@uganda_mn397 the bible clearly says there is only one lawgiver therefore Moses must be JEHOVAH if he is lawgiver in any sense that is how Trinitarian logic works
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 no, that's your logic. Moses didn't set it up in the first place. he was given and then gave. It's like saying you received bread and gave half of it away. You are not the one who made the bread - bread maker Just as moses - isn't the law giver in the sense james has put it
''You just don't understand' is the lamest excuse and non-argument that cults have. One sign of a cult is the endless complexity. Christ's message is simple, God's Word is clear - it's humans that over complicate everything to deceive.
@@franceshaypenny8481 Christ's simplest messages were to the simplest people, many of whom then bailed because they wouldn't level up. It got more detailed and specific as you listened further. This is a complex universe that God runs. The gospel has a lot to offer and as Joseph Smith said, a man is saved no faster than he gains knowledge. The simple gospel has a lot of facets and a lot of depth that we ignore to our own detriment. Disregard the Book of Mormon and you throw out so much of what you might have known.
If Trinity isn't true, then you are still dead in your sin because Jesus cannot be your Saviour as His Father says,, there is no other Saviour but Me, Isaiah 43:10
The lack of self awareness here is astounding. Why should the Mormon listen to you when apparently you are not listening to yourself. Isaiah ch.43:10ASV"Ye are my witnesses, saith JEHOVAH, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he(third person singular,): before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me(first person singular)." JEHOVAH is superlative he(third person singular) has no co-equals Jeff.
@@uganda_mn397 JEHOVAH is the most high thus there is no one co-equal to him. Psalm ch.83:18KJV"That men may know that thou, whose name ALONE is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." JEHOVAH is without peer it is even more important to understand that if your God has two persons who are equal to him he is not JEHOVAH.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 no, They all are one God three persons but they all are Him yes nobody can be Higher Than The Most High But each one is The Most High and they have zero equals who aren't Him
@@uganda_mn397 if none of them are the most high then none of them are JEHOVAH It's that simple JEHOVAH is the most high. Psalm ch.83:18"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the MOST HIGH over all the earth."
@@johnwilliams7639 elohim is a plural of majesty Moses who is definitely a single person is called elohim. We distinguish between plurals of majesty and number by the grammar of pronouns and verbs attributed to the noun singular personal pronouns are always attributed to JEHOVAH. Also singular personal pronouns are always used of elohim when elohim applies to JEHOVAH. More to the point JEHOVAH is called EL Elyohn God most high So JEHOVAH is the greatest of all the ELs Genesis ch.14:19KJV"And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God(EL Elyohn), possessor of heaven and earth:"
I'll go further than a trite "the Book of Mormon is true", it is more accurate than the Bible we all have. And a man WILL get closer to God by following its precepts than by any other book. And trust me when I say that, I've been through tons of apocrypha and so I appreciate how awesomely clean and solid the Holy Bible is. The BoM is such a huge gift to Christians and the world.
Be careful. You are watching this for a reason. Jesus Christ is the Messiah. You will not get to heaven with your false beliefs. I was a catholic and it made me spiritually very sick. I was so blind and deaf to the truth. Please trust me when I say pursue Jesus Christ and only Him. God bless.
This is why Mormons become atheists when they realize there were no golden plates and go exmo. They are trained to treat the Bible as inferior to the BoM as a way to defend the church, so when the BoM goes, the Bible obviously also goes. The difference is that the Bible is historically rooted and the Resurrection is a historical fact.
@@bricksandconcrete How condescending and rude. What does Calvinism have to do with anything? Is that supposed to be a big own or something? Holy Scripture is The Bible, and only the Bible.
@@freyamccauley Read the book and you'll see that it is entirely about Jesus Christ and his dealings with a people that were destroyed because they abandoned Him due to their pride.
@@bricksandconcreteif you really trusted what you believe in you wouldn’t have to spam comments on a video that refutes your cult. It reads as weak, clearly you’re cornered and grasping for straws instead of humbling yourself before the word of God in humility.
@@bricksandconcretejust like smith right? You know the guy who ticks the very boxes for a false prophet that the Bible gives? The one created the cult you’re in?
@@jde-jj1lu Or is he the jews' Messiah ben Joseph, a literal descendant of Joseph of Egypt, the head restorer of the tribe of Ephriam, leading the fulfillment of the restoration of all things in the last days? You MUST find out. He delivered a book of heretofore unknown scripture that is indefatiguable, it can't be beaten. The Church that remains continues to grow and even now builds temples to perform billions of individual ordinances to weave together the entire family of Adam. Whole nations see the earnestness of the effort to map humanity and they turn over their precious records to FamilySearch because they see we're not joking around, it's happening. Don't miss it.
@@bloviax You're the one missing out. Just don't pay attention to the signs of a false prophet told to you in revelations, just believe what the 19th century con artist told you
@@bloviax No I think you're spewing a load of stuff a false prophet has filled your head up with. I'm not gna find salvation by going through a website about genealogy, I found it in the Bible
@@johnwilliams7639 I almost wouldn't know where to begin if I were to engage you further, but allow me to bring one text to your attention that clearly note the THREE persons of the Godhead... "But the Comforter, which is the *HOLY GHOST,* whom the *FATHER* will send in *MY* name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever *I* have said unto you." *John 14:26* Scripture _A B O U N D S_ with passages that speak of not just the Father being omnipresent, omniscient & omnipotent, but also Christ, AND the Holy Spirit. Those three characteristics belong to none other than *GOD.* No need to detail all of them, as you're already set to deny it all. All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!* ~~~:)
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1 Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
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I am not Mormon, (I consider myself between Reformed Baptist and Anglican), but how do we also deal with Psalm 82? Especially with its clear use of "elohim". I always considered Isaiah 43 to be about the everlasting nature of the Trinity and how he is the King and creator of everything, yet there are still other divine beings, (angels and demons, but they could be called wrongly worshipped as gods). Therefore, YHWH is calling out the fallen-angles (gods or something else?) and pagans for their worship of these gods.
@@portraits_of_blissn a world where the divide that really matters is between those on the side of God the Father and his only begotten son Jesus Christ and those who are on Lucifer’s side. I do not understand why Jeff is persistent on going after the good when he should focus more on the Dark and those that follow Satan.
@@thehighcheef9836 That would be LDS. They literally follow the doctrine of demons.
Jeff clearly loves Mormons and wants them to be truly saved.
@@bricksandconcreterong? What church are you?
@@bricksandconcrete How so? Please elaborate.
@@bricksandconcrete No, he's not - because the Bible is not wrong either.
He says he loves the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and would love to live amongst them. This is because we try to live our religion (not just show up on Easter and Christmas), and so he is witnessing the fruits of the gospel which are good. A house divided against itself cannot stand. If Christ is at the head of His church, it will bear good fruit. If he is not, then the fruits will be sour…and Jeff wouldn’t want to live among us like he says he does.
@@mycatwould Didn't Jesus the Messiah of Nazareth live among those who hated Him and sought to kill Him?
I need this. 2 mormons just came to my house and all I could say was we dont believe in the same Jesus, they are in a cult and whenever an Angel appears to someone and gives them extra texts to stay away from it and linked that to Islam as well. Then they asked if anyone in the neighborhood would like to hear their message. And i replied Not from the mormon church. I probably screwed that up. But thats all that came to me. I'm very articulate when i know you. But strangers I get this sense of anxiety and feel like I'm shaking while saying these things. I need to get better. Lol. I want to get better.
If you want to debate a Mormon, just say: Why does your magic underwear have Freemason symbols on it?
@@BaroqueBluesgood one, I didn't know that😮
You did fine don’t beat yourself up.
@@Eagle_Powers I have a few morman friends and they're afraid to preach to me. My faith in Jesus is strong so I witness to them, they haven't walked away yet 🙏🙏🙏
@@bricksandconcrete I dont want to be left alone. I dont want you guys to go to Hell. Not having the holy spirit is a serious crime. Unforgivable.
As an ex Mormon I’m thankful for people like Jeff. I became born again long before I learned about Jeff and crew but he’s doing it right. Mormonism is extremely hard to get out of due to lifelong brainwashing. From the time you can pay attention all you hear is, I’d like to bear my testimony and I know the church is true and that Joseph Smith is a true prophet. You are encouraged to repeat it frequently. Around 14 is when I knew things weren’t right and when I questioned it all I was told is you just need to have faith but I still believed as a Jack Mormon and would defend it. In my 20’s I heard an actual pastor teach straight from the Bible and I couldn’t get enough. That’s when I realized that I was hungry for the truth. It took several more years but I eventually gave my life to Christ. I have my wife and aunt who both lovingly led me to Christ. If you’re a Mormon and seeking truth it’s out there and leaving Mormonism is hard but the feeling of getting out of that bondage is amazing.
Same here dude, great story, my wife and her pastor taught me who the real Christ is. Still after 3 years born again in my word everyday having to unteach myself false "truth's", of the Mormon church
@@paulspicer4481 yep. It’s hard to get rid of the brainwashing.
Real question, why are you still Christian after leaving Mormonism? 90% of exmos are atheists because deconstructing Mormonism shows them the truth about all of Christianity.
At least you were honest enough to admit you are essentially a child who wasnt taking your faith or covenants eriously.
Why would you pick till death do us part over all time and eternity with your wife?
@@HaleStorm49 I was trying to take it seriously but nobody could ever answer my question. Anytime I found a problem with the faith nobody could give me an answer. It was always you just have to have faith. Faith in what? A faith that can be proven wrong at every turn. I couldn’t just go on faith alone. I needed some form of evidence. I probably know more about the Mormon church than most Mormons. There’s no such thing as an eternity with my wife biblically. The idea that when you’re sealed to your family just isn’t biblical either. I learned to get my information on the only trusted source that we have and that is the Bible. 99% of Mormons won’t do it but if you were to do a deep dive into what is biblical and what isn’t you would find out that you’ve been lied to all along. I didn’t want to believe it even when I knew it was true. It’s really hard to get out of the brainwashing. I pray one day you will too.
Every organized cult has some system/means of retention. With mormonism; that means is done through the familial ties. Generational cradle to grave indoctrination is a tough nut to crack. Hats off to Pastor Durbin and Doctor James White for the work they do to deprogram the LDS cult.
@@bricksandconcrete
What straw man argument?
You're the one straw manning but you're too much of a cowardly troll to even elaborate.
@@bricksandconcreteWhat strawman argument did they present?
@@bricksandconcreteaww did Jacob Hansen pay you a pretty penny to post this?
@@bricksandconcrete unless you believe that Christ is Lord you will die in your sins, yes. Those are Jesus’ words
@@bricksandconcrete so you believe Jesus is lying when he says unless you believe He is Lord you will die in your sins? Because that’s what you’re touting here.
Two very kind missionaries told me recently they never were formed. Only the spirit and body were formed. But they said they've eternally existed an "intelligences".
That's spirit
God also is a Spirit
If God is a Spirit, and yet He is God, why could they not be
@@uganda_mn397 Because there is only one God. Isaiah 43:10. etc.
@@dnzswithwombats exactly, so if God is a Spirit like them and yet He is The Only God that means there is no other 'god'
@@dnzswithwombats i mean, i tried to argue against them
@@uganda_mn397 I see.
God wasn’t speaking to people who thought they were worshipping idols but people who were worshipping gods when they bowed down to gods that they had formed. So it absolutely makes sense to have addressed them the way he did. Jeff Durbin is so critical he doesn’t think straight.
I once went to an evangelical/born-again church and the pastor came up to me before the service and welcomed me. He asked where I was from and I said "Utah", to which he replied "oh. So you're Mormon?" And I said "yes, but I'm here with my friend and checking out his church." That pastor shook my hand and then we went to our seats. The service started and the pastor began a 30 minute lecture on why Mormons are going to hell and why Joseph Smith is a false prophet. After the service the pastor came up to me and asked if I had any questions about the service. I replied "Well, when are you going to talk about Jesus?"
This is, in a nutshell, my experience with people like Jeff Durbin. Once they find out you're Mormon or a non-creedal Christian, they will then spend their time talking down to you. They won't talk about Jesus. Want proof? Go talk to Jeff and tell him you're Mormon (even if you're not) and see what happens ;-) I guarantee you, Jeff won't mention the Gospel of Jesus, but he will mention the Gospel of Jeff ;-)
The Jesus Christ of the Bible offers forgiveness of sins, salvation, eternal life, and exaltation for free if you are interested. That is how much God loves you. ❤️
He wasn't wrong tho
Jeff Durbin says that Psalm 90:2 says that God has been God from eternity into eternity but the most literal translation of Psalm 90:2 is; “Before mountains were brought forth, And Thou dost form the earth and the world, Even from age unto age Thou [art] God.”
The intended fruits of the gospel are being experienced within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Disbelief will never change this reality.
Wow you really explain it so well @2:18 There is only ONE GOD! Amen!! All others are false idols/gods
I just want to take a minute and thank you for all of the good work you guys on this channel are doing. THE TRUTH will always be attacked. THE TRUTH will always be hated. It's been this way since the beginning of time, and it will continue to the end of time.
You guys are one of the greatest missionary forces we have right now. Your very attacks on the Prophet JosephSmith, the Book of mormon, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are actually fulfilling prophecy and scripture. Jesus taught in the new Testament how to know a true prophet; Luke 6: 22-23, 26. Please read it for yourself.
Jesus said if a prophet is hated and attacked , this testifies that he speaks the truth and is a true prophet. Christ even said, "we should, "leap for joy, " because the very attacks on truth confirms its very truthfulness.
So, please, please, please continue to make more and more videos about our faith because the more you hate and attack, the more it testifies the truth. I would be very worried if there was never opposition to the prophet Joseph Smith, but that is not the case. There are multiple multiple youtube channels ( mormon Stories, utah apologia, mormon Discussion, apologia, etc.)dedicated and organized for the very purpose of destroying Joseph smith and the LDS church.
All of these anti mormon attacks do one thing for me, they make me "LEAP FOR JOY, " AND THEY ACTAUALLY BUILD UP MY TESTIMONY, and not destroy it.
Please keep up the great work because the more you attack my faith, the more it convinces me and testifies to me that it's true. Thank you, and god bless in all the great work you do.
Jesus Christ said that he would divide people and families. The truth naturally divides people. Matthew 10:34-37; Luke 12:51-53;
To be worthy of Jesus and eternal life, one must side with God's truth even if it divides his own family.
@@Elizabeth-rk3doruclips.net/video/CAQ79maUxUs/видео.htmlsi=DkKQTtRUQw33_Nii
Well done, fellers… 👍
In the original vid Jeff shared with the young mormon that Christ said His Words would never pass away… and THAT FACT should give everyone including mormons pause because Jesus was spot-on as per usual.
I do believe the Holy Spirit speaking thru Paul also anticipated mormonism in Galatians 1:8-12.
At any rate, thank you for your ministry.🙏
Don't worry friend's God's speaking to all of us. In Jesus name.Amen
I’d love to see these two discuss these topics so that any misunderstandings can be squashed in real-time.
Mormons often forget to read The Bible.
Gen 1:26 Then God said “let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness..”
Doesn't say we are God si i don't see the point there honestly
That doesn't mean that we are little gods! That means we have God's likeness, that does mean we are divine!
Waiting for a new video on Jim Caviezel/Sound of Freedom from Apologia like I’m waiting for one from Living Waters/Ray Comfort.🙏🏼
Joseph said he doesn't compare to Jesus - because Joseph said he did more and was more successful at it than Jesus. Mormonism appeals to peoples natural pride in ourselves. Oldest lie in the book.
@@bricksandconcrete I'll post the source but this is the least of the problems with Mormonism. Having a false God means having a false gospel also.
@@bricksandconcrete
“Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet…When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go” (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408).
@@dnzswithwombatslol what are you on mate. Joseph never said that, the quote is “no one has done more for the salvation of man save Jesus”.
@@1peter1_3 Beat me to it. It's also on page 409.
@@danl6852 Read.
Actually, David Alexander was correct in pointing out that Is 43:10 needs to be read in context, referring to graven images (42:8, 17; 44:9). Believe it or not, but there is no official LDS teaching in the Standard Works about who was God the Father's father, or heavenly Mother, etc. What a 19th century prophet said doesn't mean that everything they said was the word of God. LDS actually believe in a three in one God: Father, Son, Holy Ghost are one in fullness, will, authority, eternity, and purpose; they just don't believe in the Nicene definition. And I believe that God is not going split hairs about it, or that our eternal destiny is dependent on having a correct knowledge of God.
I don't think the rest of your faith would agree with you here.
@@BrendonKing Which faith would that be? I'm neither evangelical nor LDS.
Hello Jeff, would you guys be able to do a video of how we get the name Jesus translated from the original language. I’ve been looking for an answer.
A Builder Or a Wrecker
As I watched them tear a building down
A gang of men in a busy town
With a ho-heave-ho, and a lusty yell
They swung a beam and the side wall fell
I asked the foreman, “Are these men skilled,
And the men you’d hire if you wanted to build?”
He gave a laugh and said, “No, indeed,
Just common labor is all I need.”
“I can easily wreck in a day or two,
What builders have taken years to do.”
And I thought to myself, as I went my way
Which of these roles have I tried to play'
Am I a builder who works with care,
Measuring life by rule and square?
Am I shaping my work to a well-made plan
Patiently doing the best I can'
Or am I a wrecker who walks to town
Content with the labor of tearing down?
“O Lord let my life and my labors be
That which will build for eternity!”
¿What's the green book Jeff was going to read from?
dude I am interested in what you think about the movie "Sounds of Freedom" since mormons are involved in this movie. The same people behind "The Chosen" - In my Opinion a false Jesus Christ. I dont know what to think about Mel Gibson and Jim Caviezel. In my Optionen the "The Passion of the Christ" symbols a false Jesus Christ, too. Would love to hear your thoughts about that. Dont get me wrong, I think the topic is extremely important, but I dont trust the people behind it, furthermore since it is getting pushed on all platforms
What’s the chances you get Vivek on and have a real discussion about Hinduism? It’d be priceless I think
Hindus would stomp you Real God Wise One God Wise and Many Gods wise Theology wise in general.
“And I saw a strong angel, who shouted with a loud voice: “Who is worthy to break the seals on this scroll and open it?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it.”
Revelation 5:2-3
Mormons: “Hold on now…I am.” 🤦♂️
Who has the key of david?
@@DS-ld8ns apparently Mormons do. Lol
@@AdrianP225 Do they? where did they find it at?
@@AdrianP225 Pretty sure the Mormons tried to give David some cookies and then they thought he gave them the keys.
Those silly mormons.
@@DS-ld8ns 😂 right
I'm definitely onboard with Isaiah 43:10 as to the actual God. At one point in history any mysterious creature(s) that could do things we can't were identified as gods. Demonic? Yes, absolutely. Exodus 20:3-5 explains these gods we aren't allowed to have before, besides, or after God. Being "enlightened" we have other names for the same old creatures.
Can someone pls explain where and how exactly does the devil lure you to sin, I accept and understand the concept that giving in to sin is our own free choice, but knowing that the devil cannot read your thoughts nor put thoughts in our heads, where does the exact action come in from the devil's part?
Isaiah 2 - Isaiah sees the latter-day temple, gathering of Israel, and millennial judgment and peace
Well hold on, this is a clear case of semantics. While idol is a different word, oftentimes they are used interchangeably to articulate the same principle(s). So one of the key differences here, at least in my opinion, is that the LDS are talking principles and theyre literal words are simply being used against them when they might not be literal. At least thats what my argument would have been, but im not any of these gentlemen and im neither a LDS or a denominational Christian. I could say more about this, but comments are best used for short form responses rather than long form discussion.
Also, the LDS term "exaltation" which is the word used to describe becoming a god, is really not much different from many other religions or even sects of Christianity. Other words within the Christian sphere include "theosis," "apotheosis," and even "divination." French Jesuit Priest Teilhard de Chardin wrote about what he coined as "the Omega point" which describes the point when humanity would evolve into near perfection. The secularists would call this the "singularity" especially considering the advent of AI where the singularity represents the evolution and perfection of consciousness. So my point is this, if so many different contrasting views are all oriented in a similar way, then it would be reasonable to say that they're all oriented toward the same thing or at the minimum, similar enough. If we're all looking at the same goal, how can you say your goal is the right one? (I'm not saying anybody is right here, just putting this out there). Peace and love 😅
Mormon guy said “Blatant idol worship formed by their own hands”…. Interesting
Jeff Durbin then quotes Isaiah 44:6 as a proof text that besides him there is no God. Latter Day Saints would agree that despite the Bible teaching that there are multiple gods in existence there is no God to us to be worshipped, but one; the Father.
I like trying a little thought experiment. Imagine if you were a unitary god, how would you declare that you were only one person so that heresies like a Trinity, biunity, etc wouldn’t be followed by your people?
Tha Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all called God in the Bible. The Bible also says there is only one Divine Being. All three persons interact with each other in the Bible. These three facts can only be understood in a trinitarian theology
@@davidm8135 doesn’t answer the thought experiment. What would a unitary god say to demonstrate that he is unitary
@@avibenavraham your thought experiment misunderstands the Trinity. God is one. All of the verses mentioned in the video where God declares that He is the only God and He is totally unique are not in any way contradictory to a Trinitarian theology. In combination with the facts that the Jesus and the Holy Spirit are both called God, the fact that they interact with one another, and that there is only one God are only workable in a Trinitarian theology. How would you as a non-trinitarian explain those facts?
@@avibenavraham a simply unitary being could describe Himself the way God does in these passages in Isaiah, but we know that God is complex in His unity from other clear passages in Scripture
@@davidm8135 uh I’m Jewish so I don’t believe in Jesus. You again are not answering how a unitary god would describe himself as, and essentially saying Trinitarianism is non-falsifiable. No matter how unitary G-d is described in the Hebrew bible, it can always be comported into a trinity (or a 2/5/9 person being)
the way to identify any "unsound doctrine" is that at least 12 key points must be adhered to ; in order to uphold the Gospel.
1) Original sin. See Genesis and Pauls teachings on 'we all fall short'.We are all born in sin (hence we require salvation).
2) God is all powerful - and the only God.
3) the "Word" was with God - his instruction and teaching "made flesh" in Jesus.
4) Isaiah - received prophesy via Holy Spirit from God of the Messiah - Jesus wasn't just some random guy. God knew he was going to send him and gave this knowledge beforehand.
5) John is primary witness to Christ as are the disciples and apostles.
6) Mary - a virgin is visited by Holy Spirit and made to conceive Jesus. This has to be done this way ; or Jesus would not be Son of God.
7) Jesus is Son of God and born of a Virgin via the power of the Holy Spirit.
8) Jesus performs a whole bunch of miracles (and teaching). He could not do this if God hadn't intended him to and given him the power from the father.
9) Jesus is resurrected and shows himself at Emmaus etc, Re: doubting Thomas Story. Blessed are those who have not seen , and yet believed....
10) Jesus ascension into heaven to be back with God.
11) Jesus Sacrifice provides us with salvation (if we believe)
12) The Holy Spirit is Gods mechanism (or power tool) to make things happen and do his will.
Every false or unsound doctrine - undermines these things. All of these things hold true and are backed up by multiple pieces of scripture and they all hang together in a cohesive - canonical and theological sense. If you take any of these items away - like you don't believe Jesus is Son of God, then he's just a guy - well then how did he do the miracles without the power of God? If you believe Mary wasn't a virgin and Jesus came about some other way - same story. If you don't believe Jesus was resurrected - how can any of us possibly be resurrected. If you don't believe in the holy spirit - then you can't believe Isaiah's prophesy. If you believe Mary is the mother of God, you are breaking the first three commandments, If you think a person can 'become a god' - thats not giving God his rightful respect ( as he's the only one) etc etc. It all hangs together very neatly - every stumbling block easily overcome when you have all the pieces of the jigsaw from scripture and the Holy Spirit shows you.
Jeff Durbin’s point is completely moot seeing as Latter Day Saints don’t believe any gods are ever formed the way ancient Hebrews were forming their gods out of wood or stone. When God says no god was formed before him and that no god will be formed after him is he admitting that he was formed? There’s all kinds of ways you can interpret a text.
You should focus more resources to refuting WMSCOG arguments
Has Jeff ever recorded a one on one debate with an LDS theologian?
I mean, I know he likes to catch out young missionaries with his Bible bashing techniques and put these "critique" videos out, but does he actually ever have a civil debate?
His tactics don't seem very Christ-like.
This dude argues with missionaries. Missionaries are called to NOT argue, just to lay out the facts that God is VERY active in these latter days, and you take em or leave em at your own detriment.
Whenever anyone has a question or dispute with the LDS they always say, "Go talk to the missionaries" however its now ambushing young people when they cannot answer. So why be called elder if you're just young and ignorant? Missionaries are supposed to be the teachers going out and converting people. They have a field day with people who do not know their bible however they flee from "debate" because they cannot handle it when someone actually knows their scriptures.
@@bloviaxyou guys are against going to see tank luciferian Days inn mission kids are not telling anybody there here to deceive and. Their actions extra prove they're against God and and later days in truth real later days that are later and are days.
@@bloviaxapparently satanic Mormons never actually watched his debate with some of the more on kids especially the black Oreo kid kwaku got his ass handed to him several times only deal with sidestep gaslight go off-topic derail run from the topic and just basically it's that. U know nothing and like all people you were spiritually deceived here as the kullttist I pray you are saved from this hellful darkness.
The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints worship 1 GOD
"Go away!" -David Alexander
Instead of talking around each other why not just discuss things in person? Making claims of dishonesty and misrepresenting each other only serves your own echo chambers, which if that's your goal then by all means proceed good sirs, but it seems it would be more beneficial to the greater whole to discuss things in person.
Instead of talking about guys like David Alexander and Jacob Hansen I'd love to see you talk with them in a charitable, productive manner. Just a thought. God bless!
Because Mr. Alexander has made it abundantly clear he has no interest in doing that. That said, public heretical teachings need to be addressed.
Jeff you clearly don’t understand the Bible.
Jeff, where's the love?
Please don't spoil it for yourselves your amazing labourers for God's glory. But I'm talking about standing outside abortion clinics shaming people. As with the woman caught in adaltry if it had been abortion Jesus would have said let those without sin cast the first stone. Jesus never came to shame anyone.. Be gentle. God loves these people please don't send them the wrong message about Jesus we are all guilty at times but that doesn't make it right.Amen and Blessings.
Think about something like math. In grade 1 we learn simple addition and subtraction. That’s all we are ready for. Trying to teach calculus to a 1st grader is not going to work well, as they haven’t first grasped the basics. Because the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints have been given the further light and knowledge from a loving Heavenly Father who still loves and speaks to His children, those outside of our faith are like 1st graders trying to understand calculus. It’s not covered in grade 1 math. When you’re ready for the further light and knowledge you will accept that God speaks to more than one nation, and that he continues, as in ancient days, to deliver His words of guidance and counsel through His prophets. Sorry you don’t get it - but it makes sense to us, and the glory of God is intelligence, and He is not a God of confusion but of order. He doesn’t want us to stay in grade 1 and whine if we get further light and knowledge.
@@bricksandconcreteI find I can quickly sift out an LDS comment in the comments section as they generally just try to explain a truth; whereas the other side just throws mud.
you gotta sit down and just read Isaiah chapters 40-50 honestly. let God just speak to you. he speaks clearly. don’t read it through the false BOM lens Joseph Smith gave you.
You say that Smith was given further light. But the Book of Revelation says not to add anything to the scriptures. They were finished
That's a very common and arrogant LDS line about other faiths just being too ignorant to understand their belief. It's oftentimes used when they cannot actually defend their position. In fact LDS beliefs are not hard to understand, however they just are unbiblical
@@mycatwould You can find the LDS comment because they attempt to present their philosophy, mixed with a little scripture. Sound familiar?
Don’t be historically ignorant. Even the Bible itself reveals Yahweh was far from alone.
“When Elyon [‘Most High’] apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the divine sons; for Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob [Israel] his allotted share.” -Deuteronomy 32.8-9.
The oldest fragment of Deuteronomy 32:8-9 not only locates Yahweh within a pantheon, but also reveals exactly who his father was. It describes the separation of humans into distinct groups (‘peoples’ or ‘nations’), and explains why each group was allocated a particular deity to act as its special patron. But the deity supervising this division of divine labour is not Yahweh, but Elyon - a title of El reflecting his role as the ‘Most High’ god of the pantheon.
Thanks to ancient scribal emendations seeking to ‘correct’ the polytheism of these verses, this reading (variously reflected in the Greek and the Dead Sea Scrolls) is not always found in modern Bibles.
Fascinating stuff. When people believe stuff like this (which I'm not saying that pantheon was real/imagined or good/evil entities), why do they have such a beef with equally stunning ideas about eternal life and our relationship with God as revealed through Joseph Smith (likely Mesiah Ben Joseph)?
@@bloviaxauntie Kristina Smith is in Hellfire screen forever bro your darkness and it's time for you to repent and every Wicked evil deed that you spewed and have it all done against you and have you be set free and clean.
Jeff Durbin falls back on the ludicrous doctrine of the trinity so he doesn’t have to justify the existence of more than one god. But the Godhead is made up of three separate beings who are each a god. Also the Bible clearly teaches that our God is a God of gods; Deuteronomy 10:17, Joshua 22:22, Psalms 82:1, Psalms 82:6, Psalms 136:2, Daniel 11:36.
Anyone that claims to have the true interpretation of scripture has to claim authority from god to some degree to do so. Looking at verses 11-13:
"I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
I have revealed and saved and proclaimed-I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "that I am God.
Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?"
I would say that the context of this passage is not one of general theology where God is declaring himself to be the only divine being in existance as if he were just sharing a piece of doctrine, but rather a very specific and practical command to recognize him as Israel's only God, and the only only God to be worshipped.
Along with this, there is plenty of evidence to support the fact that the Jewish religion was not strictly monotheistic in the old testament and only recently was solidified as such. Yes we have one God, one God we worship. The presence of other divine beings as described in 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 does not negate his role in our lives.
"5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
But before going into discussing scriptures and their meaning, its important to understand where one is claiming authority to interpret the word of God. Most religions like Apologia Studios use the same authority that all protestant religions use. The Bible (a scholarly claim to authority condemned in scriptures) accompanied by the holy spirit. Because most churches use this same authority, protestants disagree on the true meaning of numerous scriptures just as much with each other as they do with the LDS Church. Anyone can add the context they want to scriptures to fit their interpretation by highlighting facts that support their interpreation while ignoring others. True authority to declare meaning of scripture comes from God himself to his chosen servants, something he has has always done as evidenced throughout the Bible.
how convenient. We have gone from "the Bible can't be trusted, because it's mistranslated", to "the Bible can't be trusted, because only we have the authority to interpret it".
@@BrendonKing I don't understand the argument you are making. LDS people read and learn from the bible just as much as any other Christian. We do recognize that mistranslations can change meaning, but so do all Christians. That's why pastors going through seminary will often study the bible in original Hebrew and Greek.
And all Christians do this too... If there is a pastor that reads from the bible and teaches from his or her church that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and then you disagree with him. Are you not trusting the bible? Or are you mistrusting his interpretation of the bible? If your answer is the latter, then you would agree with me that someone whose only authority is the bible is not authority at all.
@@BroBear_35Paul is refuteful to you on Corinthians he's the belief in literal God or Gods aside and other religions in his world are there but again he says for you on your correction and rebuke there's only one. Paul is not a place to go to he doesn't help you and he doesn't even give you any statement at all see that's you form kulltts out of that from obscure passages about truly reading a text and understanding it spiritually or textually and grammar.
@@charliejackson5492 Almost every variation of Christianity exists because each sect emphasizes certain scriptures over others. Refer to my original statement and the importance of authority. You yourself ask me to understand a text spiritually, textually, and grammarlly, and thats all most Christain churches do despite disagreeing on so much doctrine. This is how jews during Christs time sought to understand scripture too and was clearly a mistake.
Until you can explain to me why your interpretation of scripture is more valid than the next person that reads the bible (which in almost all cases is a more scholarly interpretation), I have no reason to believe your interpration has any worth beyond personal revelation God has given to you through it. You asking me to "truly read the text" is nonsensical because I could tell you to do the same thing until your interpretation matches mine.
@@BroBear_35 well apparently Jesus didn't understand the Bible either cuz he had his own interpretation so there's a problem sex are not allowed if they are in there because of sex makes stuff up and a fake false devilish doctrines of devils out of mistreating pastors of a book then guess what that sect is a cult and it's fraud
Why do you refuse to discuss these matters with Jacob Hansen, Robert Boylan and others? Are you afraid your positions won't stand?
What value is there in discussing ANYTHING with Jacob Hansen? The man's theological foundation is as sturdy as pudding.
Don't like the prophet? Throw it out.
Don't like scripture? Throw it out.
Don't like spiritual confirmation? Throw it out.
@@BrendonKing So is that a yes!!! Sounds like it would be an easy win
@@cabarete2003 it would be pointless. How do you debate objective truths when all Jacob does is live in his subjective fantasy?
@@BrendonKing Such as?
@@cabarete2003 The whole "Collective Witness" shtick he sells wholesale is laughable. There is objective truth. You cannot just throw it out when you think it doesn't fit your worldview or paradigm.
I think all religions point to the same god, they call him different things and attribute different things to him but I think they are all trying to get to the same thing and give people a foundation to build a moral and righteous life upon.
No they don't. Different Gods far different some similar others not so.
Somewhere Not even God based and are Satanic luciferian kullts like the moron kulltt and j witness kullt also.
What does it matter to you what Mormons choose to believe! Do you not recognize their rights to worship the way they want? Religious freedom is a fundamental human right guaranteed by the Constitution. It is the right to think, express and act upon what you deeply believe, according to the dictates of conscience. I have a lot more respect for people like Krister Stendhal Bishop of Stockholm in the Lutheran church of Sweden who talked about "Holy Envy" when it comes other faiths. You should look it up and reflect upon it. Bishop Stendhal displayed a true Christ like attribute, you Sir display only a spirit of contention. I sincerely hope that one day, like Saint Paul, your eyes will be opened and that you will come to understand the meaning of charity as talked about in 1 Corinthians 13.
Why you ask? Because truth matters.
I will believe that when you call off your missionaries and stop knocking on doors declaring the insufficiency of others.
@Kman. Truth is inherent to each individual. We are all agents into ourselves. I am free, based on the dictates of my own conscience, to place my faith in whatever doctrinal principal I choose to believe in, just as you are. And seriously, "because truth matters." What a weak answer to my comments!
@@espmind68 _"Truth is inherent to each individual."_
Is that true? It looks like we're left to craft our own truth, 'eh? *smh* I thought Mormons (if you are one), @ least TRIED to hold to a higher std.
Do they ever refute Judaism?
Or Christianity?
Jews don’t claim to be followers of Christ whilst pedalling a false one
@@jde-jj1lu no, they claim Christ is boiling in hot excrement in hell.
@@chessboxer35 can you show me something that shows they believe that?
@@jde-jj1lu read Jesus in the Talmud by Schaefer
Acts 7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever
Christian apologists place so much emphasis on an eternal progression of gods, you would think that's what "Mormons" talk about in their wards every Sunday. But it isn't. It's just Apologia doing what they do best: distorting LDS doctrine.
Collosians 2:9
Genesis 3:22 says as one of us, not one of us but as
@@uganda_mn397 John 17:20-21. The Intercessory Prayer clearly describes Christ's relationship with the Father. He prays for unity with the apostles as He has with the Father. Jesus is NOT the same substance as the Father. In every other way they are the same. God isn't some incomprehensible entity.
@@catotheyounger2689
john says let them become one -
in future
Just like we are one -
already happened ( according to grammar )
Why is then Jesus been called The Lord in Isaiah 9:6
@@uganda_mn397 the grammar doesn't take away from the point I made. Christ can still be Lord if He is distinct from the Father. He is suggesting here that both the apostles and the Father are distinct, and they can be united in purpose. It isn't the same as polytheism
God is translated Eloheim. God is a title just like father is a title. The title father has always existed just as the title God has always existed. No beginning, no end. There are good Gods, bad Gods, good fathers, bad fathers. There are only good Gods in heaven, there are no other bad Gods beside Eloheim(plural).
There is only one God
This dude is so deluded. Let people believe what they want, arguing about religion is the most dumbest thing.
We don't seek religion we seek a savior and his name is Christ
Trinitarians need to be consistent if Jesus having certain titles /attributes that JEHOVAH has means he is JEHOVAH then we must add some others to the Godhead.
Daniel ch.2:46KJV"Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him. "
Note please that Daniel raised no objections clearly as per Trinitarian logic Daniel must be JEHOVAH.
Matthew ch.23:9KJV"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. "
JEHOVAH alone is Father of believers according to our Lord
James ch.2:21NIV"Was not Abraham our father..."
Again a consistent application of Trinitarian logic demands that we consider Abraham a member of the Godhead.
Proof texts taken out of context.
God didn't say man wouldn't create idols. Yes there were idols before Moses and after God's statement about no other God's after me.
In context the Father and the Son whether Catholic/Calvinist view or not, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost breaks your own argument.
According to your definition the three are equal. The Son begotten, not created, on the right hand of the Father.
God wasn't saying here, there is no son at my right hand.
Elohim is plurality. Taken at face value indicates what it says. You have to take break with the literal of no other gods or with plurality of Gods.
If you break with using proof texts to say what you want, you will find deeper meaning.
The Calvinist view of the prayer that the Father and Son be one, has very shallow meaning of numeric oneness.
The Bible uses one in many places referring to a people being united. Even in this prayer Jesus is praying that we become one a he and the Father are one.
In which context are you becoming one? Numerically? In that same context is Christ and the Father one.
Jesus spoke of the scripture that cannot be broken calling you gods.
No. I'm sure you are using Calvinist religion over the words of Christ and the Bible.
Hey David Alexander, how long before you become a God and have billions and billions of people on a planet bowing down and worshipping you as the one true God? 🤔
Carry the one... I have NEVER heard any saint ever put eternal life in terms of "how many people will worship me" like some low rent superhero demi-god.
@@bloviax Sorry, could you rephrase that? Are you attempting to refute something I said, or are you affirming it?
@@MapleBoarder78 If you want ever want to talk to a Latter-day Saint, let me know. I'm just a guy like you, but I've seen the Saints action for a lot of years and there is nothing that compares to the adventure here IMO. It is very fitting that the gospel, of all places, was restored on the American frontier. The developments of recent years are just astounding.
@@bloviax Gotcha, thanks. Bloviax, are you currently on the path to exaltation?
Jeff is truly threatened and very nervous of these video's. The very fact thst he is doing a response video is proof.
Lol - you clearly are not familiar with Jeff Durbin and his ministry… he knows the Bible like the back of his hand, and the desire of his heart is that none of you should perish, therefore the Holy Spirit gives him this amazing gift of presenting the truth of the true gospel. To think he would be intimidated by David Alexander is pretty laughable.
Hardly so my friend, & I will echo what the person below me stated, that you're obviously not familiar with Durbin & the ministries he's involved with.
Can you refer to a timestamp in this less than 2min video that Jeff was “threatened and very nervous”?
He’s the one going to where the LDS folks are to share with them the truth of God’s Word. Your attempt to kick up dust & make false claims to distract others is failing.
Can you PLEASE have a debate with Newsom, or at least a talk with him? This guy is pure evil
You think NEWSOM wants anything to do with Apologia?
Wow. Jeff is quite the master manipulator of scripture and doctrine! There are a number of things wrong with this argument, but I’ll just keep to the primary topic at hand, which Jeff conveniently brings up only once or twice while redirecting the focus on “Mormonism.”
The primary point here that the representative brought up was that Isaiah 43:10 was within the context of the Lord addressing the worship of other gods manifested by physical idols. It begins with focus on physical object made by man but later expands to animals and entire nations of people.
Jeff’s response was to read the text “in context.” But he didn’t. He just repeated the verse (plus verse 11 which essentially summarizes verse 10). He does mention that this concept of the Lord being the only god is found throughout chapters 40-46 and encourages everyone to read them. I encourage that as well, because if you do read them you will see that the true CONTEXT of these chapters revolves around the refuting of idol worship! If you go a chapter further to 47 the Lord announces the destruction of Babylon and Chaldea for comparing themselves to God (a form of idol worship) and using that comparison to justify their wickedness.
Jeff states that there are many examples throughout chapters 40-46 wherein the Lord speaks about being the only god (which is true, again being in the context of condemning idol worship). He then says that he wasn’t going to read them all but would give a couple examples using Isaiah 40:18 as the first. OMG! He conveniently skips to verse 25, completely ignoring the very next two versus!!! Allow me to repeat verse 18 for you but I will actually put it into context by including the next two versus:
18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.
The very scripture Jeff quotes to support his argument that the original verse mentioned was NOT regarding idol worship (and idol creation as well) is in the direct context of the Lord condemning idol worship, making a mockery of it saying that a wise person would choose a tree that will not rot (as man made wooden idols would eventually do) and a “graven image” (aka: man-made idol) that shall not be moved (as physical objects that people were claiming to be their actual gods could be stolen and/or lost and then where is your god?).
Those were my two biggest issues with this argument, but I will just throw out there as well that I find it ironic again that Jeff chose to quote 40:18 as 40:20 uses the verbiage “graven image” which again is another way of describing an “idol.” Jeff substitutes the word “idol” in the scripture being contested and mocks the thought of it being in context of idols with the idea that it didn’t work, yet here the Lord is using verbiage synonymous with the word “idol” as symbolic imagery representing himself.
As for all of the other points concerning doctrines and beliefs held by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), I could make many videos explaining how these concepts are being twisted so as to fit his purpose. I’m not saying that there wasn’t truth in his comments, but the truths mentioned were in such a way so as to stir emotions while also conveniently ignoring other key concepts that were left out.
If you truly want to know more about the LDS church and the doctrines and beliefs therein, I suggest going to the source, the Church itself, and then decide on your own what you want to believe. You can learn more at www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist.
And why couldn't God in the context of condeming idol worship say some Truth tgat there will never be any other God?
@@uganda_mn397 That’s exactly what God is doing. He is saying that there will be no other god for them to worship. It’s also worth noting that God teaches line upon line and precept upon precept. Christ explained this concept multiple times as many contested His actions as being against the laws of Moses, stating that He came to provide higher laws. Forget about committing adultry…don’t even look upon a woman to lust after her. Forget about not killing…don’t even think ill of your neighbor.
The doctrine Jeff is contesting in the original video (not this one) has more to it than what he is touching upon here and would be a higher law than what was previously taught in olden times. Just as much as people wouldn’t be able to follow the commandment “don’t think ill of your neighbor” if they can’t even follow the commandment “thou shalt not kill,” so too would people have difficulty understanding a higher doctrine regarding God and our eternal existence if they can’t even grasp the concept of worshiping only him and not other idols.
@@pistachio-cat1043 Not if you put it into the context of our mortal existence and practice of worshiping gods. A popular false god of the time was Baal who didn’t exist during our creation, only God did.
Also, just like Jeff, you’re ignoring the context of the scripture which is all about idol worship.
@@pistachio-cat1043 No, it’s not. You’re correct. But the argument Jeff was making in this specific video was that the scripture referenced wasn’t about worshiping idols which you yourself acknowledged that it did.
You said that the scripture refutes idol worship on the basis “those” gods do not exist. Yeah, those gods whose likenesses the idols are after.
So really, you are absolutely right! This scripture IS about refuting idol worship (all idols whether they represent actual dieties or not) and that is NOT mutually exclusive with refuting the existence of other beings (ie: gods) existing outside of the scope of our mortal existence.
@@pistachio-cat1043 Just as has been mentioned, this is in reference to the worshipping of idols, specifically as gods, but these idols are not really gods, they are false gods, and there has never been nor ever will be any god made for us to worship. We are to worship God and only God.
There are many gods even greater than Yahweh. Chemosh was
wat? Yahweh = Christ = the Only Begotten son of the most high God from the beginning. Whatcha referring to (For my own curiosity)
@@bloviax How do you know that, a book told you so ?
@@andrewwright9960 The Holy Spirit of the Most High God has affirmed it to me. I'm wondering how you concluded that Chemosh > Yahweh?
In the Moabite Inscription, Chemosh's wrath ends in Yahweh's defeat and the fleeing of Israel. Yahweh is not some sort of omnipotent being ...
@@andrewwright9960 What has Chemosh done for you lately? Yahweh has done quite a lot for me lately, for which I am grateful.
The trinity is a false god!
I think both are wrong. It's clear they believed there were many elohim, but only one ha elohim. They used to believe other spiritual beings existed and had power and were represented in some of those idols, but God is clear when he said he created all those spiritual beings who eventually rebelled and led the nations to other beliefs. Actually psalm 82 is God confronting those said spiritual beings (elohim)
You're close but you fall off the 'mark'. You're likely referring to demons and angels rather than actual equals to God- of which there are none.
@@BongBing11 In the hebrew Bible there are different word to refer to angels and demons. "Elohim" is a different term, as Michael Heiser would explain, it refers to a type of being in a "location". Samuel is referred to as an "elohim" when spoke to Saul from "sheol". Good and bad spiritual beings are referred to as "elohim" in scriptures, apart from "malaj/malak" (angel) or "shedim" (demon). The belief of bible writers of the OT believed there were other "elohim", that's why comparing "Ha Elohim" to them made sense, otherwise, it was a pointless comparison. It's clear in Psalm 82 when YHWH is in the middle of the elohim and he judges them for leading the people's astray. We'd be mistaken to apply our perspective of God and how we see those concepts to the Bible, specially the OT, where it's clear they believed in other created spiritual beings called elohim or "gods" (keeping the meaning of their context).
Your videos are astounding. How you manage to corrupt the true meaning of scripture on every turn. God was right when he said they draw near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me. Your theology is all corrupt and thus your heart is corrupt. Repent and seek God's true understanding. It S great in the light. Lds.
he just read The Scriptures what do you mean?
Did Jesus save you?
Explain where he has corrupted scripture. And by Scripture, we mean the Bible - the Book of Mormon is not scripture.
Whoever seeks out missionaries to pick a fight with them doesn't understand the role of missionaries. Guys like this were a serious waste of my precious time. The very few missionaries who did engage with dudes like this were the ones who we all knew didn't get the gravity of their calling and the urgency to find those who were hungering to know that God speaks again today, and that prophets, power, temples, and revelation are back in a huge way. Not the same old same old same old Christian harangue.
Same old? The truth that the entire church has believed for 2,000 years
John 21:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
Jeff I love you man but you have Satan in your heart when you deny the divine nature of mankind. We are the children of divinity. Made in God's image. Same wording used in both Gen. 1:26 and Gen. 5:3. Christ said if you have seen me you have seen the Father. Acts 17:29 if the Godhead is not "like unto gold, or silver, or stone" then what is it to be likened to, according to Paul? Jesus looked like us, a man! And he was God! And man in the beginning was created in the likeness of God. Can it be taught more plainly??
In John 10:34-36 Jesus even points out the hypocrisy of the pharisees wanting to stone him for saying he is the Son of God, when according to their own scripture (Psalms 82:6) we are all gods.
Isaiah 55 says - My ways are higher than your ways.
And in other places He says - I The Lord do not change, how can He say that if He has changed according to you?
Wow. Jesus Christ is God, no one else is. Mankind is not divine at all. Satan claimed that in the garden, that 'Ye shall be as God' - it's the first an oldest lie. You are not divine, not here on earth or anywhere, ever.
@franceshaypenny8481 except in that same chapter a few verses later it says: "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil..."
Satan's lie was that they would not die. He sweetened that lie with a truth, that they would "be as gods, knowing good and evil."
The condescension of God, is that he became a man, suffered for our sins, died, was resurrected, and then ascended back into heaven. That is the pattern of humanity. We fall, we suffer, we die, we are resurrected.
@uganda_mn397 same way Jesus changed from boy, to man, to corpse, to resurrected being? The same way God expresses grief sometimes, then gladness at others?
@@tybaltmarr2158 His Nature doesn't change of course He changed while i body but that's a different topic.
But how can you say that God has changed when He expresses grief or happiness?
I mean you stay the same being no matter the mood.
I mean tell me, how do you transition between man to God and God being angry and happy about something.
I mean, you don't turn into a duck when you change mood
Isaiah ch.46:5 NIV"“With whom will you compare me or count me equal?
To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?"
The trinitarian Jesus certainly can't make such an implied assertion.
However the biblical JEHOVAH can.
Psalm ch.83:18KJV"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."
Why then does the angel say to joseph you will call Him The Lord Saves because He will save His People
And yet God says in Isaiah, besides me there is no Saviour
@@uganda_mn397 by this logic Moses must also be JEHOVAH.
James ch.4:12NIV"There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, ..."
Note JEHOVAH is Israel's only Lawgiver. But note also John ch.7:19NIV"Has not Moses given you the Law?...." Jesus declared that Moses is Israel's Lawgiver,thus as per Trinitarian logic Moses must be the most high God. Indeed there is at least as much Trinitarian style "evidence" that Moses is JEHOVAH as there is that Jesus is JEHOVAH. What about Abraham? Matthew ch.23:9NIV"And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven."
Clear enough the believers have but one Father.
James ch.2:21NIV"Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?" Thus as per Trinitarian reasoning Abraham must be JEHOVAH.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849
no, false logic, moses gave the law physically to us and placed it to The Ark
Moses gave us the law in the sense of being given and gave.
But Jesus claimed to be Saviour ans yet if He isn't Fod He cannot be because His Father says there is no other Saviour. If Jesus spoke the Truth, He Is The God
@@uganda_mn397 the bible clearly says there is only one lawgiver therefore Moses must be JEHOVAH if he is lawgiver in any sense that is how Trinitarian logic works
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 no, that's your logic. Moses didn't set it up in the first place. he was given and then gave.
It's like saying you received bread and gave half of it away. You are not the one who made the bread - bread maker
Just as moses - isn't the law giver in the sense james has put it
Jeff only has a rudimentary understanding of mormonism. His tactics are lame.
''You just don't understand' is the lamest excuse and non-argument that cults have. One sign of a cult is the endless complexity. Christ's message is simple, God's Word is clear - it's humans that over complicate everything to deceive.
@@franceshaypenny8481 Christ's simplest messages were to the simplest people, many of whom then bailed because they wouldn't level up. It got more detailed and specific as you listened further. This is a complex universe that God runs. The gospel has a lot to offer and as Joseph Smith said, a man is saved no faster than he gains knowledge. The simple gospel has a lot of facets and a lot of depth that we ignore to our own detriment. Disregard the Book of Mormon and you throw out so much of what you might have known.
Trinity theology is not biblical.
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Matthew 3:16
Matthew 12:28
Matthew 29:19
Luke 3:22
John 14:26
John 15:26
Acts 1:4
Acts 2:33
Acts 10:38
Romans 1:4
Romans 8:9
1 Cor 6:11
1 Cor 12:4-6
2 Cor 13:14
Galatians 4:6
Ephesians 1:13-14
Ephesians 1:17
Ephesians 2:18
Ephesians 2:22
Ephesians 4:4-6
Jude 20-21
Titus 3:6
Hebrews 9:14
1 Peter 1:2
...looks pretty biblical to me.
@@justinolivetti9873 yes there are three Gods well done 👍
@@tybaltmarr2158no, deuteronomy 6:4 makes it clear, that's why Three in one is Biblical
If Trinity isn't true, then you are still dead in your sin because Jesus cannot be your Saviour as His Father says,, there is no other Saviour but Me, Isaiah 43:10
The lack of self awareness here is astounding. Why should the Mormon listen to you when apparently you are not listening to yourself.
Isaiah ch.43:10ASV"Ye are my witnesses, saith JEHOVAH, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he(third person singular,): before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me(first person singular)." JEHOVAH is superlative he(third person singular) has no co-equals Jeff.
God is one, there can only be One Elohim so i hope that makes it clear the, hopefully
@@uganda_mn397 JEHOVAH is the most high thus there is no one co-equal to him.
Psalm ch.83:18KJV"That men may know that thou, whose name ALONE is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."
JEHOVAH is without peer it is even more important to understand that if your God has two persons who are equal to him he is not JEHOVAH.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 no, They all are one God
three persons but they all are Him
yes nobody can be Higher Than The Most High
But each one is The Most High and they have zero equals who aren't Him
@@uganda_mn397 if none of them are the most high then none of them are JEHOVAH It's that simple JEHOVAH is the most high.
Psalm ch.83:18"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the MOST HIGH over all the earth."
@@johnwilliams7639 elohim is a plural of majesty Moses who is definitely a single person is called elohim. We distinguish between plurals of majesty and number by the grammar of pronouns and verbs attributed to the noun singular personal pronouns are always attributed to JEHOVAH.
Also singular personal pronouns are always used of elohim when elohim applies to JEHOVAH.
More to the point JEHOVAH is called EL Elyohn God most high So JEHOVAH is the greatest of all the ELs
Genesis ch.14:19KJV"And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God(EL Elyohn), possessor of heaven and earth:"
I'll go further than a trite "the Book of Mormon is true", it is more accurate than the Bible we all have. And a man WILL get closer to God by following its precepts than by any other book. And trust me when I say that, I've been through tons of apocrypha and so I appreciate how awesomely clean and solid the Holy Bible is. The BoM is such a huge gift to Christians and the world.
Be careful. You are watching this for a reason. Jesus Christ is the Messiah. You will not get to heaven with your false beliefs. I was a catholic and it made me spiritually very sick. I was so blind and deaf to the truth. Please trust me when I say pursue Jesus Christ and only Him. God bless.
Is Jesus your Saviour?
This is why Mormons become atheists when they realize there were no golden plates and go exmo. They are trained to treat the Bible as inferior to the BoM as a way to defend the church, so when the BoM goes, the Bible obviously also goes. The difference is that the Bible is historically rooted and the Resurrection is a historical fact.
@@bricksandconcrete How condescending and rude. What does Calvinism have to do with anything? Is that supposed to be a big own or something? Holy Scripture is The Bible, and only the Bible.
@@freyamccauley Read the book and you'll see that it is entirely about Jesus Christ and his dealings with a people that were destroyed because they abandoned Him due to their pride.
This is so... bad.
Do you even believe this guy? with a tattoo on his arm preaching? lol only crazy person will believe on what he says on the internet.
When he or anybody says it will take a HALF AN HOUR to explain away your false interpretation that should have said it all😂
@@bricksandconcreteif you really trusted what you believe in you wouldn’t have to spam comments on a video that refutes your cult. It reads as weak, clearly you’re cornered and grasping for straws instead of humbling yourself before the word of God in humility.
@@bricksandconcretejust like smith right? You know the guy who ticks the very boxes for a false prophet that the Bible gives? The one created the cult you’re in?
@@jde-jj1lu Or is he the jews' Messiah ben Joseph, a literal descendant of Joseph of Egypt, the head restorer of the tribe of Ephriam, leading the fulfillment of the restoration of all things in the last days? You MUST find out. He delivered a book of heretofore unknown scripture that is indefatiguable, it can't be beaten. The Church that remains continues to grow and even now builds temples to perform billions of individual ordinances to weave together the entire family of Adam. Whole nations see the earnestness of the effort to map humanity and they turn over their precious records to FamilySearch because they see we're not joking around, it's happening. Don't miss it.
@@bloviax You're the one missing out. Just don't pay attention to the signs of a false prophet told to you in revelations, just believe what the 19th century con artist told you
@@bloviax No I think you're spewing a load of stuff a false prophet has filled your head up with. I'm not gna find salvation by going through a website about genealogy, I found it in the Bible
If there is only one, *The Lord God* as He says of Himself, then He isn't a Trinity. The idea is totally crazy garbage.
If there is only one, *The Lord God* as He says of Himself, then He isn't a Trinity. The idea is totally crazy garbage.
Why isn't it possible for God to manifest Himself in 3 entities/persons?
@@johnwilliams7639 It's solidly tethered to the closed canon.
@@johnwilliams7639 I almost wouldn't know where to begin if I were to engage you further, but allow me to bring one text to your attention that clearly note the THREE persons of the Godhead...
"But the Comforter, which is the *HOLY GHOST,* whom the *FATHER* will send in *MY* name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever *I* have said unto you." *John 14:26*
Scripture _A B O U N D S_ with passages that speak of not just the Father being omnipresent, omniscient & omnipotent, but also Christ, AND the Holy Spirit. Those three characteristics belong to none other than *GOD.* No need to detail all of them, as you're already set to deny it all.
All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!* ~~~:)